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6/15/2011

In Which I Actually Don’t Know Who to Root For…

Filed under: General — Aaron Worthing @ 7:28 am



[Guest post by Aaron Worthing; if you have tips, please send them here.  Or by Twitter @AaronWorthing.]

Update: Hat tip to Scott Jacobs, even though he just called me a dork.

Via TMZ we learn that fame seeker Gloria Allred is going to give a press conference with Ginger Lee about her relationship with the Weiner.  You might remember that Ginger Lee…

…has already been outed as one of Weiner’s online girlfriends. That will be at 12:30 p.m. and I will… not be covering it.  But I might look in afterward to see if anything interesting came out.

By the way, this is going to take place at the Friar’s Club, which I believe is the same one famous for its celebrity roasts.  Which is oddly appropriate if I am right.

But for now enjoy Norm MacDonald ridiculing Allred for her awkward bat demonstration:

So as you can see, Allred can handle uncomfortable sexual material with tact and class and we can expect a similar degree of class this afternoon.

[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]

206 Responses to “In Which I Actually Don’t Know Who to Root For…”

  1. Gloria, you seem to be enjoying that demonstration a bit too much.

    Arizona Bob (aa856e)

  2. Closest she’s gotten in years…

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  3. I fail to see, any legal component in the whole thing, then again it seems you have to drive Wiener out with flamethrowers like those Japanese soldiers in the last days of the war

    ian cormac (72470d)

  4. Unless Gloria has film of Weiner and Ginger playing pattycake, or Weiner’s wife kicks him out, the National Enquirer’s cover photos of him in pantyhose and bra wins today’s news cycle.

    ropelight (944330)

  5. rope

    wait, what? that is a real thing? link?

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  6. Wasn’t a Gloria Allred press conference almost an inevitable result of all of this?

    JD (306f5d)

  7. Beyond tone deaf, she is, and well into bone deaf.

    Dan S (e3abd8)

  8. Show of hands. Everyone that thinks Gloria enjoyed that demonstration.

    We knew she would show up for the Weiner outing. The subject doesn’t matter as long as there is money and tv time involved.

    PatAZ (0862d9)

  9. Used to like Gloria a lot, now not so much. Liked her on KABC, thought she always did a good job. Don’t like these ‘defenses’ over the last 10 years, especially the housekeeper thing in the governors race. Though if CA goes down, better under the dems’ watch. They can finish what they started.

    Usually a celebrity lawyer is needed to pry open a case. I don’t think Gloria is needed here. It’s redundant.

    Vermont Neighbor (352bcf)

  10. Does the National Enquirer have anything on Weiner today?

    Victoria (09836a)

  11. Remember, Gloria was the one who said TSA pat-downs are fun.

    Vermont Neighbor (68ff46)

  12. Gloria Allred sure does like to exploit the womens.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  13. So, Neighbor, she’s into this kind of stuff.

    PatAZ (0862d9)

  14. National Enquirer has photos of Weiner as a teenager oiled up and wearing a bra: http://weaselzippers.us/2011/06/15/new-pics-show-teenage-weiner-cross-dressing-and-oiled-up/

    Victoria (09836a)

  15. Ow… that’s some photo on the NI cover.

    I think it’s safe to say (or maybe not) that while it may be a Hebrew National weiner, is sure as heck isn’t kosher.

    Dan S (e3abd8)

  16. Pat, some are called ambulance chasers. Gloria’s like a tabloid runner. Wherever there’s a headline…

    Vermont Neighbor (6d8a47)

  17. Sorry AW, I was in the kitchen heating leftovers. However, I see Victoria provided the link you requested. I first saw it on Drudge and just figured everyone had already seen it.

    ropelight (944330)

  18. Well, now the scandal is official, since Gloria Allred is on the job. I guess Ginger’s serious about spinning this to her financial advantage!

    Ellen (a13e9f)

  19. Gloria Allred needs an enema.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  20. At some point, does Gloria Allred realize that she’s being cliché? Or is this just a case of being “on brand” all the time?

    carlitos (25ee92)

  21. Root for a double KO. It’s more possible than you might think with a Leftie on Leftie matchup. They are all very aggressive and have glass chins.

    d(^_^)b
    http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/
    “Because the Only Good Progressive is a Failed Progressive”

    LibertyAtStake (d0b564)

  22. Shouldn’t Gloria Allred go chase another ambulance?

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  23. Oooooooo Here we go!!!

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  24. Of course Allred speaks first, and will be the one taking the questions…

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  25. Oooooo… Ginger is studying to be a real estate agent. In this housing market? Good plan, girl!!

    Oooooo… And she’s single! Step on up boys (if you don’t mind a VD here or there…).

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  26. Wow… They are REALLY throwing Weiner under the bus…

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  27. Oooooooohhhh… NOW I see why Allred got hired… Ginger has “had to cancel work” and had had to go “into hiding”.

    Lawsuit in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1…

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  28. Grr. Google Chrome browser doesn’t like any of the video feeds.

    carlitos (25ee92)

  29. And of course it works just fine on the Mac.

    carlitos (25ee92)

  30. Love her accent.

    Looking at the microphones, it’s nice to see that ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox and CNN are all covering a press conference for a media whore and porn star.

    Ooh, “he called me and told me what to say and do” to handle the press. Oops.

    carlitos (25ee92)

  31. Wait… “After he lied on national TV”… In the timeline, this was prior to his admitting to sending the tweet – how did she know he was lying?

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  32. “If he lied about this, I can’t have much faith in anything else.”

    carlitos (25ee92)

  33. 100 emails from Weiner to Lee.

    MayBee (081489)

  34. Package package package

    MayBee (081489)

  35. Wow… Reading out e-mails…

    And holy f*ck does he sound like a tool. Such a f*cking narcissist…

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  36. 100 emails. Some about his “package.”

    “I have wardrobe demands too. I need to highlight my package.”

    “My package and I are not going to beg”

    “You aren’t giving my package due credit.”

    Nice married Congressman guy! 🙂

    carlitos (25ee92)

  37. No photos from Weiner. So the TMZ gym shots were from someone else.

    MayBee (081489)

  38. Whoever runs against Weiner needs to make those quotes part of an ad…

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  39. With the e before the i, it should be pronounced “whiner.” They keep saying “WEENER.” Are they trying to be funny, or was it always pronounced that way? Serious question.

    carlitos (25ee92)

  40. I had the same problem, carlitos…

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  41. carlitos- Anthony Weiner has always pronounced it Weener. I can guess that’s what his family said, but I fear it gave him a secret rush every time he said it.

    MayBee (081489)

  42. Shocked! Unprecedented! Who among us is surprised by these revelations? Except kman, wheeler’s cat, DCSCA, imdw, etc, etc.

    PatAZ (0862d9)

  43. scott

    > Oooooooohhhh… NOW I see why Allred got hired… Ginger has “had to cancel work” and had had to go “into hiding”.

    it would be hard to understand what the cause of action would be in that.

    Aaron Worthing (b1db52)

  44. From her statement, he knew the story was breaking before it was out and kept emailing all through the process. So she knew he was lying because he was telling her, or that’s the impression I got.

    He wasn’t lying to HER, but in his public statements. Her nose was behind the curtain and she didn’t like the stink back there.

    Dan S (e3abd8)

  45. “Never interrupt your opponent while he’s in the process of making a mistake.”
    — Some French Guy, Way Back When

    Unka Billy (8096f2)

  46. Ha ha ha:

    @GennetteC
    Gennette N Cordova
    Is this really necessary Allred?

    MayBee (081489)

  47. I can see why he was such a supporter of the healthcare package…

    Packages are his obsession.

    Dan S (e3abd8)

  48. “She can no longer support Weiner”…

    God, the jokes write themselves…

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  49. LOL. “Lo siento mucho. No hablo español.” From Allred, when asked a question in Spanish. Funny.

    carlitos (25ee92)

  50. What was that about his package at the corner bodega?

    MayBee (081489)

  51. MayBee – I got the impression that he and she were discussing their looks and how people react. I think that he was claiming that his package is such a big deal that he got into 10 minute conversations about it with people at the corner bodega.

    carlitos (25ee92)

  52. carlitos- oy!

    MayBee (081489)

  53. If anybody criticizing Allred about this (including Aaron) can tell me what she’s doing wrong in this case, I’d love to hear it.

    MayBee (081489)

  54. Oy indeed.

    And then the porn star feature dancer from Georgia asked The Weiner – “what’s a bodega?”

    carlitos (25ee92)

  55. I wonder if there is a bodega.jpg

    MayBee (081489)

  56. Chicago-area posters might remember radio personality Steve Dahl as “Anthony” the city worker saying “nize paykage” circa 1990ish.

    carlitos (25ee92)

  57. “Oh, Congressman Weiner. I see you’ve stuffed a ciabatta in your pants”

    Person at the corner bodega (081489)

  58. The Fat Lady needs to start singing already.

    dfbaskwill (ca54bb)

  59. That Norm Macdonald clip never gets old.

    Book (c7b6c5)

  60. Allred ONLY shows up where there is Lots of money to be made… her pornstar real estate agent in training has NO money, unless Weener has been paying her to keep quiet… Gloria is up to something… she does not take ANY case out of the kindness of HER heart… just sayin… stay tuned… TMZ knows WHO send in those 11 gym photos it was perhaps woman number 6 that we have not met yet… I get the feeling that the college girl from Seattle area is not happy to learn she was NOT the one and only…. ahhhh, essence of Woods, Tiger Woods…. breathe in deep.

    Hargoosh (d0e9bc)

  61. It’s true that Allred doesn’t do anything out of the kindness of her heart. But here, she’s moving the story forward. Getting information out.
    Where is the pure hearted person in this story?

    MayBee (081489)

  62. Seattle girl definitely does not like Allred getting this information out there. Why?

    MayBee (081489)

  63. Allred has a nose for MILLIONS …. she only protects wronged women who are in a position to get multi— MILLIONS. There is most likely some REAL REAL freaky stuff out there with this porn star realtor wannabee… just thinkin’ out loud… Having Allred involved in this makes it much more of a story… IMHO…

    This man is a real super-freak, and who would he most likely “let it all hang out” with but a porn star admirer NOT a high school kid or even the college co-ed journolist wannabee…. no, THIS woman was someone he could go totally freaky with… and she most likely has more than emails and he knows it, this presser is Glorias message to him and to the DNC… pay up or out it comes… I am guessing…

    Hargoosh (d0e9bc)

  64. Honestly, his behavior has all the earmarks of someone who was sexually molested as a child.

    Victoria (7b01cb)

  65. Gloria Allred and Helen Thomas look good in a bikini.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  66. it would be hard to understand what the cause of action would be in that.

    When has that ever mattered to Allred?

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  67. Allred ONLY shows up where there is Lots of money to be made… her pornstar real estate agent in training has NO money, unless Weener has been paying her to keep quiet… Gloria is up to something… she does not take ANY case out of the kindness of HER heart… just sayin… stay tuned… TMZ knows WHO send in those 11 gym photos it was perhaps woman number 6 that we have not met yet… I get the feeling that the college girl from Seattle area is not happy to learn she was NOT the one and only…. ahhhh, essence of Woods, Tiger Woods…. breathe in deep.

    Comment by Hargoosh — 6/15/2011 @ 10:30 am


    As much as I cringe whenever the name “Gloria Allred” is mentioned, and as disgusting as her legal and media whoring on behalf of actual whores has been, I have to say that there is at least ONE case in which she was the good guy. She was able to extract a hefty settlement from MTV over an incident in the audience of a failed pilot for a reality show.

    I will NOT link the details here. Here’s a link to an AP report recounting the situation. Hope you’ve digested everything well today.

    From all appearances, Kelli Sloat has emerged from the incident quite nicely; she’s now a beautiful young mother married to a Marine.

    L.N. Smithee (b60fc2)

  68. Nothing says “please respect my privacy, I just want to be left alone” like hiring Gloria Allred.

    malclave (4f3ec1)

  69. House Leadership is considering yanking Wiener’s committee seat:

    Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and her leadership team plan to meet at noon Thursday to confer about plans to increase pressure on the scandal-scarred New York Democrat to give up his seat.Democratic sources familiar with earlier discussions say they may choose to call for a caucus vote on the matter next week

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57080.html#ixzz1POVzVMF6

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57080.html#ixzz1POVkVUyv

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57080.html#ixzz1POPGqCOW

    Some of Wiener’s House buddies are fighting over the move.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  70. Weiners humliation must be overwhelming. Humility and humiliation are of the same word stock,both are seemingly interchangeable. It is a painful lesson to be learned. I strongly empathize with this mans family. What lesson can be learned from this type of indiscretion?

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  71. “What lesson can be learned from this type of indiscretion?”

    Glorious Padparadscha – Usually two lessons can be learned:

    Either don’t engage in this type of behavior or if you do, don’t get caught.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  72. Exercising prudence and following our conscience. When we disobey our conscience, a price must be paid. We have an Advocate, who is always willing to listen and forgive. All we need do is ask, and be contrite. A firm amendment to change must be in order. Weiner is a reflection of many.

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  73. “When we disobey our conscience, a price must be paid.”

    Glorious Padparadscha – Are you not making a perhaps unwarranted assumption that Rep. Weiner was disobeying his conscience or has one to begin with?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  74. ___________________________________________

    There has been a bisexual undercurrent to all the major players in this story, referring to Weiner, his wife and Hillary. Not sure if this should be added to things that point in that direction.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk

    The National Enquirer pictures show Weiner protectively posing in a pair of pantihose and a bra as he smiles cheekily at the camera. The pictures, taken by a college friend in 1982 when he was 18, demonstrate Weiner’s reputation at the State University of Plattsburgh as a flamboyant figure.

    ‘He was a very odd guy who went out of his way to do things purely for the shock value.’

    Mark (411533)

  75. Weiners humliation must be overwhelming. Humility and humiliation are of the same word stock,both are seemingly interchangeable

    A sense of shamelessness and a lower sense of embarrassment can be considered interchangeable with leftist bias—many liberals have a high tolerance for the concept of do your own thang, baby! Therefore, I’m not sure if Weiner is a humiliated or humbled as you may think. After all, he socializes with people like Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    Mark (411533)

  76. Weiners humliation must be overwhelming. Humility and humiliation are of the same word stock,both are seemingly interchangeable.

    Glorious Padparadscha – Humility and humiliation are two very different concepts and not at all interchangeable. What is your native language.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  77. If anybody criticizing Allred about this (including Aaron) can tell me what she’s doing wrong in this case, I’d love to hear it.

    She exists. That’s what she’s doing wrong.

    She has a ridiculous press conference to tell us what we were already told more than a week ago. WHY??? http://www.verumserum.com/?p=25408 Gennette’s got it right.

    And to share the additional tidbit that Ginger will be “resuming her career” this evening.

    Now I agree with whomever said that they must have something big on him and are looking to cash in. No other reason for Allred to be involved. See: Rachel Uchitel.

    Did any of the reporters shout out that she had publicly declared her interest in having sex with him back on March 1, which seems to have coincided with his sudden interest in talking politics with a porn girl? This is so sad.

    Lisa (d5ac54)

  78. ==this presser is Glorias message to him and to the DNC… pay up or out it comes… I am guessing…==

    Or it could be just the opposite. Allred’s presser and her representation of Ginger could be with the urging and approval of the DNC. They want Weiner OUT!!! Ginger’s a cutie and acquitted herself fairly well I thought. If her tweets and emails were in fact as she claims fairly innocent liberal policy stuff and he alone pushed the sex talk, then that is one more public nail in his coffin.

    Did I mention the Dem leadership wants him gone? And that they are trying to engage the youth vote for 2012?

    elissa (9db391)

  79. hah this is a fun read … apparently the Washington Times took down the article they’re discussing but they have a pdf

    Therefore we must consider that Mr. Weiner *may* have converted to Islam, because if he did not, we have to consider the unlikely, that being that Ms. Abedin has abandoned her Muslim faith, even while she still practices.

    However, we should also bear in mind that any who are Jewish by orthodox standards will always remain Jewish, even if they have converted to another faith. This may explain rumors that Mr. Weiner went to his synagogue looking for moral support.

    The question that begs to be asked, however, is, has Huma been groomed to access leading political movers and shakers to advance the cause of Islam in America, including a politically positioned marriage to Congressman Anthony Weiner?

    If that is so, Anthony Weiner may be proven to be the weak link in a pro-Muslim political agenda.

    zany stuff

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  80. =weak link=

    It is just nearly impossible to get beyond the sausage and weiner imagery with this story.

    elissa (9db391)

  81. What can you say for Little Tony “Cocktail” Weener? He’s ticked off Ginger Lee–and worse yet, he’s now got Gloria Allred on his trail.

    The great Delta Blues singer Robert Johnson wrote a song about Allred “Hell Hound on My Trail”. Little Tony is going to discover what that means.

    Mike Myers (0e06a9)

  82. Super Glo musical interval.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  83. The invisible hand at work.

    Ginger Lee’s no victim here.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  84. Lisa, how does Gennette have it right?

    It seems she’s only a bit different from Ginger Lee.

    If I had to bet money, I’d bet Gennette was doing the same things that Ginger Lee was. She isn’t trying this hard to cover for so called boyfriend Weiner, the guy who ruined her reputation, for no reason.

    What I think is interesting is that Gennette was the person who could have hired an attorney and sued Weiner, at least for harassment. He’d have settled.

    I think it’s pretty funny that Gennette is continuing to put herself out there as Weiner’s defender. I’m sure the hard left greatly appreciates it, but she’s probably going to get run over by the bus before this is over.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  85. @GennetteC
    Gennette N Cordova
    Is this really necessary Allred?

    Comment by MayBee —

    Oh come on. This is not possible. Well… anything is possible, I guess, but this is getting pretty hilarious.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  86. A willingness to be mocked and ridiculed is humiliating, which can lead to a greater sense of humility. As I have stated, the two words have a common origin and definition. The concept is interchangeable. Great virtue can come in a willingness to be humiliated.

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  87. Great virtue can come in a willingness to be humiliated.

    Yeah, but Weiner isn’t Catholic, so probably doesn’t see the virtue of redemptive suffering…

    Which just makes it regular suffering…

    Which I’m just fine with, in his case.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  88. “The concept is interchangeable.”

    Glorious Padparadscha – No, it is not. Please stop insisting it is. Being repeatedly humiliated does not necessarily lead somebody to a greater sense of humility. It can lead to anger, anti-social behavior, etc. Only if the correct lessons are learned does it potentially lead to a greater sense of humility. Even then, the concepts are not interchangeable. Your logic is completely flawed.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  89. “As I have stated, the two words have a common origin and definition.”

    Glorious Padparadscha – Feel free to state it, but it is pure bull dookey. Latin roots are different, words are not interchangeable. Fail.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  90. In all seriousness . . . the word “leech” in the dictionary should be accompanied by a pic of Allred.

    No shame. No conscience. No clue. She is truly one of the most bitter and spiteful women in the history of the planet!

    Icy Texan (1b903d)

  91. Comment by Glorious Padparadscha — 6/15/2011 @ 11:36 pm

    Psychobabble BS, completely wrong.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  92. Now I ask you, is there a noticeable difference:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-state-budget-20110616,0,1467047.story?track=rss

    ian cormac (72470d)

  93. Chuckles still has a mancrush on Anthony
    s weiner.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  94. Anthony’s*

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  95. The words humble and humiliate both stem/originate from the same latin word,”humilitare”-which means “to make low”. Humility is the act of being humble.

    Glorious Padaparadscha (70f08e)

  96. I certainly do not approve of or condone the revolting behavior of Mr. Weiner.

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  97. Yet, you remain an idiot.

    JD (047d50)

  98. “Yet I remain an idiot” ?

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  99. Exactly

    JD (047d50)

  100. Please explain your statement. Because you do not agree with my interpretaion of the Weiner Affair, and his potential for redemption, how does that make me an idiot?

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  101. My declarative statement of objective fact that you are an idiot spiiting out “psychobabble” has nothing to do with your position on the Weinertweeter.

    JD (047d50)

  102. Your declarative statement(?)-You may not agree with my philosophical or spiritual value system, but that does not warrant such a blatant lack of civility. Yes, I am a Psychologist, though it is unlikely that my clinical insight into the workings of the human mind could ever be declared as “psychobabble”, merely because you are unfamiliar with the theoretical workings of this discipline. Your own ignorance, should not be a reflection of my idiocy, or lack thereof.

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  103. Okay, that cracked me up. Humiliation is to humility as glorious psychobabble is to rational thought.

    JD (047d50)

  104. I’m pleased you found this amusing.

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  105. Brannigan is awesome she’s dead now though but you can still catch Matt Goss in the Gossy Room at Caesar’s Palace don’t forget to tip your waitress

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  106. Lisa, how does Gennette have it right?

    Gennette indicated she felt this over the top Allred press conference was ridiculous. I agreed. Thus, I said she had it right.

    We already had the information Ginger provided in the presser. That’s been out there for 10 days. So why, when the story’s about dead, does she need to hire Allred and have a presser to tell us what we already knew? It’s pathetic.

    Lisa (d5ac54)

  107. We didn’t have all the information in the presser.

    Weiner had several press conferences and interviews in which he put forth his lie. A blogpost somewhere doesn’t counter that. A similar-sized press event does.
    It isn’t like ABC interrupted their usual programming for it. It was made available to any reporters who wanted to cover it.
    Obviously, there was interest.

    MayBee (081489)

  108. humiliate – [C16: from Late Latin humiliāre, from Latin humilis humble ]

    humility – early 14c., from O.Fr. humilité , from L. humilitatem (nom. humilitas )

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  109. When the story is about dead? Didn’t Weiner decide to resign today?

    MayBee (081489)

  110. “Yes, I am a Psychologist”

    Glorious Padparadscha – As an internet psycholgist, you should know that humiliation is not a direct path to humilty, regardless of your philosophical or spiritual value system. Objective facts do not lie.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  111. Lisa–
    There had been a lot of ongoing speculation in the media and blogs that Ginger had, you know, “asked for it”. That if there had been sexting to her from Weiner it had to have been consensual. (She’s a porn star, you know) Her statements yesterday in the presser flatly refuted the idea that she encouraged Weiner’s “package” talk. Unless she is an even bigger liar than Weiner I think she really was attempting to clear her name and was challenging the media to prove otherwise.

    You can dislike Ginger’s choice of occupation and you can hate Gloria Allred till the cows come home, but the unequivocal statements made at that presser would not have been made if Ginger is hiding something about her own behavior in the Weiner scandal, IMO.

    elissa (bfc104)

  112. Unless she is an even bigger liar than Weiner I think she really was attempting to clear her name and was challenging the media to prove otherwise.

    No, she really is an even bigger liar…

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  113. Maybe Gennette should hire Gloria to hold a presser and get her story out, too. There’d be a lot of interest.

    elissa (bfc104)

  114. Scott – Ginger also wants to get “buck wild” with the lying penis tweeter.

    Those were public tweets as opposed to DM, however, were they not?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  115. Here’s the way I look at it-
    Ginger may be lying about how much she encouraged Weiner (she wouldn’t be alone in that, I suspect).
    But she was asked by him to lie about what he said, and she didn’t want to. It sounds like he was planning to release a statement on her behalf.

    He’s been lying, he’s been lying publicly, and I see no problem with calling him on it in a very public manner.

    MayBee (081489)

  116. I am enjoying the Glorious psychobabble. I would caution anyone against using the services of a psychologist who advises seeking repeated humiliation to become more humble. I would report such a psychologist to a state licensing board.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  117. Maybe Gennette should hire Gloria to hold a presser and get her story out, too. There’d be a lot of interest.

    Comment by elissa

    Gennette does have a much more compelling case than Ginger does. I think Ginger probably has some secrets that will push Weiner to settle and pay her off (if he’s got any means of raising money from friends to do so).

    But Gennette is not a porn star. She’s a politically active student. It’s a shame she wasted her loyalty on a POS like Weiner. Even Obama or Hillary or a fair number of other lefties would have been more deserving. I think she’s caught between her loyalty to a scumbag’s request to lie and her sense of self preservation.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  118. I suspect the Sex, Buckwild, Boyfriend, and HoneyMustard lube public tweets drew Weiner’s attention.

    What that means about what *he* thought he’d get out of an online friendship vs. what those women/girls thought they’d get out of it, we have no way of knowing. He knew much more about his online history than they did.

    I know if I tweeted that some public figure was my boyfriend, I’d be shocked and taken aback if he really tried to strike up a relationship.

    MayBee (081489)

  119. she’s probably going to get run over by the bus before this is over.

    Gennette strikes me as one of those college students that believe that some special hand-of-fate has decreed that she would exist in a protective bubble, while she manipulates people and events more powerful than herself. She knows that she is a higher life form than others. Therefore, Life will hand her everything she desires without sacrifice. Some mystical force will exempt her from experiencing the rest of the worlds’ pain and loss. In short, Gennette is naive and in way over her head. S. Life will take care of that illusion.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  120. I know if I tweeted that some public figure was my boyfriend, I’d be shocked and taken aback if he really tried to strike up a relationship.

    Comment by MayBee

    True, and it’s a little difficult to distinguish between Cordova and the others who actually acted like… well… whores basically. Cordova hasn’t done that, but her covering for Weiner is so irrational that people just lump her in with the others as probably sexting with him. I don’t even know if that’s unfair.

    I just think it’s a shame smart politically minded folks wasted their faith in Weiner instead of someone more deserving like Chuck Rangel and Maxine Waters. Oh never mind.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  121. It’s pathetic.

    Comment by Lisa

    I see what you’re saying. Yeah, Gennette is right to that extent.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  122. I thought I was your boyfriend, MayBee 😉

    JD (306f5d)

  123. No matter how this Weiner story finally shakes out Twitter is the devil.

    elissa (bfc104)

  124. See, JD? Great example. I can say “I love JD” and nobody misconstrues it.

    MayBee (081489)

  125. Mr. Daley, I never stated “repeated” humiliation was an adjunct to humility, I see you enjoy stuffing words in peoples mouths. True, it “could” be an adjunct to humility, but not the only one. Humility comes with the selfless surrendering of the ego, a difficult thing. The virtue of it comes in the “desire” to be humble, and struggling toward this noble objective. Sadly, you feel threatened by my academic training. I am uncertain why you carelessly tossed around some internet mumbo-jumbo, regarding the definition of humility and its’ latin root, when my definition was accurate and complete. I have clearly illustrated my point.

    Glorious Padaparadscha (70f08e)

  126. One more point I would like to clear up. I never said I was a “licensed therpaist”. I have a gradute degree (doctorate)in this discipline and have worked in the capacity of a social and behavioral scientist, for approximately eleven years. Have you?

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  127. “Mr. Daley, I never stated “repeated” humiliation was an adjunct to humility, I see you enjoy stuffing words in peoples mouths.”

    Glorious – So when you use the word “willingness” it is intended to convey a one time event according to your most recent comment. My conclusion, you lie and really have no understanding of the concepts. Fail.

    “A willingness to be mocked and ridiculed is humiliating, which can lead to a greater sense of humility. As I have stated, the two words have a common origin and definition. The concept is interchangeable. Great virtue can come in a willingness to be humiliated.

    Comment by Glorious Padparadscha — 6/15/2011 @ 11:36 pm”

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  128. One more thing Daley, when you have the theoretical and experiential background in this discipline, than you should wax “freudian”. Lets’ try to be a little more “humble”, shall we.

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  129. How do you interchange being humble with being humiliated? In fact, isn’t being humble a good way to avoid humiliation? It’s more than an attitude… it’s a real part of how you conduct your business. A humble man doesn’t dishonor his wife and country over some incredibly stupid level of sexual gratification. He doesn’t selfishly expose children to speculation about a sex scandal because he didn’t contact them while engage in deviant behavior with other women.

    There’s no ‘he’s been humiliated, and therefore he’s humble’ law. It makes no sense.

    And how was Weiner willing to be humilated, anyway? To avoid embarrassment, he was willing to frame innocent people for crimes. That is not what a humble man does. You can’t just say you’re humble.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  130. The logic course you attended in junior college failed miserably in its’ attempt at educating you, even superficially in this arena.

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  131. One more thing Daley, when you have the theoretical and experiential background in this discipline, than you should wax “freudian”. Lets’ try to be a little more “humble”, shall we.

    Comment by Glorious Padparadscha —

    You sound like arrogant fool. You clearly do not understand basic human psychology or even the English language. So dispense, arrogant snobby moron, with telling people how to behave. Your behavior sucks.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  132. its’ attempt at educating you

    HAHAHAHA!

    You should go to your high school English teacher and demand a refund.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  133. “I have a gradute degree (doctorate)in this discipline and have worked in the capacity of a social and behavioral scientist”

    Glorious – Why did you call yourself a Psycholgist if you are not licensed to practice and merely hold a degree in that field. More lies.

    My background – Does it require a psychology degree to smell bullsh*t?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  134. All the double talk and mumbo-jumbo you both flail around with only further illustrates my point. Your thinly veiled smokescreen was easily detected.

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  135. This person has a PHD in lying about their background to bolster a very minor point that they were 100% wrong about anyway.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  136. All the double talk and mumbo-jumbo you both flail around with only further illustrates my point. Your thinly veiled smokescreen was easily detected.

    Comment by Glorious Padparadscha — 6/16/2011 @ 12:21 pm

    I hope you’re using your free time for this. You’re not persuading anyone about anything, aside from the fact you’re dumb.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  137. In other words, “Don’t you know who I am!?”–(Glorious)

    elissa (bfc104)

  138. Daley, one does not need a license to be a psychologist, a “licensed clinical therapist” would of course. I never said I was one. More deception. You both need refunds.

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  139. It’s just a kid trolling and convincing himself we’re really upset at his clever nonsense.

    Probably fat.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  140. And for the record, yes psychologists are most certainly credentials or licensed, depending on the state. And any psychologist would already know that.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  141. Dustin, look up the word “hubris”, see if it fits.

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  142. Why is your comma there?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  143. At some point in your 52 years of gaining PHDs and Devry TV repair certs, did you ever learn about how to convey yourself like a professional?

    You sound like a 13 year old at best. A dumb one who is just trying to stir up nonsense to distract and laugh.

    You certainly are not educated. No way.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  144. Dustin, your pathetic smokescreen is juvenile at best. The double speak and run-around you present is kind of fun to read.

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  145. “All the double talk and mumbo-jumbo you both flail around with only further illustrates my point.”

    Glorious – Actually, you have failed miserably to make your point, lied about your credentials and for somebody claiming to hold a Phd. in the field should be ashamed. You have not disproved anything I have said, offered detailed support for your positions and are a babbling fool. When I pointed out any licensed Psychologist following your suggested plan of treatment for a patient to learn about humility should be reported to a state licensing board you quickly jumped in to say you were not licensed and to claim you did not say what you actually did say.

    You are a fool.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  146. Glorious – Please stay around. We need idiots like you on the comment board.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  147. one does not need a license to be a psychologist

    @Glorious
    Many of us have graduate degrees or higher. Obviously, you do not-

    Ask a grad student about “taking their boards”

    bmertz (d77c52)

  148. Dustin, your pathetic smokescreen is juvenile at best. The double speak and run-around you present is kind of fun to read.

    Do you even know what the word ‘smokescreen’ means?

    What am I trying to cover up, exactly? You sound like an idiot, and you’re lying about being an expert. It’s stupid, and the only point you tried to make doesn’t even make sense, so who cares?

    What run-around?

    You’re just some loser trying to get attention, but unable to contribute and intelligent thought, so in desperation, you act like this.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  149. Yes, with your high school education, it would be necessary to impugn my academic credentials Daley. Oh and by the way, Dustin should also look up the word “duplicity”, just after he looks up hubris.

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  150. @glorious
    Has your high school English teacher explained the problems of using passive voice ? Tsk

    bmertz (d77c52)

  151. “Daley, one does not need a license to be a psychologist”

    Glorious – You have reduced yourself to quibbling over technicalities now?

    Fine, I am a psychologist! Suck on that.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  152. Must dash – a good day– later

    bmertz (d77c52)

  153. Dustin, the word is “an”, not “and”.

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  154. Sorry, Glorious. Daleyrocks doesn’t have to tell us how smart he is. He just lets his arguments speak for themselves, and insofar as he even cares what we think of his intelligence, he lets that speak for itself as well.

    He doesn’t act completely insecure about whether we can tell he’s smart based on what he says because he doesn’t sound like an idiot.

    You, on the other hand, are illiterate, dishonest, and uneducated. Not that I really care. You being a moron doesn’t mean your arguments could be right or wrong. But everything you’ve said so far is pretty damn stupid.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  155. Dustin, the word is “an”, not “and”.

    Comment by Glorious Padparadscha — 6/16/2011 @ 12:40 pm

    So? A typo like that indicates pure clumsiness typing rather than a lack of understanding of the language. I didn’t try to tell everyone that ‘an’ and ‘and’ are the same word.

    And I’m not telling everyone I’m smarter than they are, so it doesn’t really matter that I’m not perfect. I don’t even care. You, on the other hand, care about whether we think you are smart, hence your need to tell us how smart you are. Which leads me to note you’re obviously not very smart.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  156. BTW, I just wanted to point out that Ginger Lee is trash. Weiner is a liar who apologized to Andrew Breitbart. And Breitbart is consistently accurate in the face of detractors who consistently lie about him.

    Weiner apologized to Breitbart.

    I just wanted to throw that out there again.

    Democrats have lost the faith of the American people because Weiner is the face of the democrat party.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  157. “Many of us have graduate degrees or higher. Obviously, you do not-”

    bmertz – I only have two. I feel deprived.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  158. With the use of loaded words like “troll”,”idiot”,”moron”,”fat kid”, “loser”, etc. it only further illustrates your inability to have a healthy, constructive dialogue with anyone who posts here. Have a nice day.

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  159. “Yes, with your high school education, it would be necessary to impugn my academic credentials Daley.”

    Glorious – Please point out where I did this. Are you capable of writing a comment without lying?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  160. it only further illustrates your inability to have a healthy, constructive dialogue with anyone who posts here.

    You are fat, though, right?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  161. Ginger Lee is trash(?) Who are “you” to make such a “bold” statement. Like “YOU”, she is also one of Gods’ children. So is Weiner. Get off your moral “high horse” son!

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  162. “it only further illustrates your inability to have a healthy, constructive dialogue with anyone who posts here. Have a nice day.”

    Glorious – A constructive dialog does not consist of asserting the same point over and over and not addressing the counter arguments. That is how you entered this thread. Do not blame others for your psychological failings and unhealthy defects. You show a distinct lack of humility.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  163. Glorious – I mean that sincerely, from one Psychologist to another, in the hope that your humiliation here will lead to a greater sense of humility and inner peace on your part rather than the anger you displayed in your more recent comments.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  164. What is clear, Glorious, is that you are trying to wow people here with your um, credentials and your um, arguments, and neither is working. Why do you think that might be? Any ideas?

    elissa (bfc104)

  165. You have not given me “reason” to present a counter argument Daley. Keep up the smokescreen though, you wear it well. Everything I have stated is accurate and without equivocation. Maybe you should try refuting the data I have presented. Oh, thats’ right you did. The mumbo-jumbo concerning your lack of understanding the origin of the words humility and humiliation and their latin root. Go back to freshman philosophy sport!

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  166. Ginger Lee is trash(?) Who are “you” to make such a “bold” statement. Like “YOU”, she is also one of Gods’ children. So is Weiner. Get off your moral “high horse” son!

    Comment by Glorious Padparadscha —

    She’s trash, and you don’t people to talk about it, so you derail the thread with nonsense.

    She went after a married man. She has sex for money (on camera). She is a whore and she is trash.

    Get off your moral “high horse” son!

    Comment by Glorious Padparadscha

    No, it’s not me elevating myself. She lowered herself.

    And Weiner was chatting up a disturbed child with talk about ‘capes and tights and shit’ and ‘large’ he is. And God knows what else. And he talked about gagging women with his penis.

    The face of the democrat party wants to gag women with his penis. Deal with it, hack.

    And Ginger Lee loved it, and calls herself a feminist despite the body of her work being to denigrate women as tools for male gratification because that’s oh so edgy.

    Daleyrocks is correct that you completely ignored the arguments explaining your error. You show no integrity or capacity to admit a mistake. But that’s a side show. You’re projecting this ‘smokescreen’ nonsense.

    I am a better person than Weiner or Ginger Lee, but that is hardly saying much for myself. They are trashy small people who don’t deserve any respect.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  167. Maybe you should try refuting the data I have presented. Oh, thats’ right you did.

    Exactly. And then you started screaming that you’re the expert and everyone disagreeing is stupid. Instead of apologizing for being mistaken. You act like a child.

    Clearly you’re a democrat. I mean, look at the face of your party: Anthony Weiner. What a piece of crap.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  168. It is true Dustin, I am an expert concerning the theoretical understanding of human behavior and social science.You Dustin are not. Stick to “name calling” on this blog. This is one area you truly excel at.

    Glorious Padparadscha (70f08e)

  169. “Why do you think that might be? Any ideas?”

    elissa – I think a “Psycholgist” reviewing this thread might be able to come up with a few, don’t you think?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  170. “I am an expert concerning the theoretical understanding of human behavior and social science”

    Glorious – We have no evidence except your own assertions for that expertise. What you do demonstrably suck at is understanding the definitions of words, such as humiliation and humility, which can be grasped independently from your supposed expertise by mere mortals, especially those not cloistered in research environments and with more life experience.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  171. I am an expert concerning the theoretical understanding of human behavior and social science.You Dustin are not.

    I’d bet money I’m better educated than you are on psychology. And English, for that matter. You talked about the etymology of a word and continue asserting that being a shrink gives you authority on what is a simply matter of fact. You’re wrong on that fact.

    The fact I’m not bothering to talk about how I’m an expert does not mean anything. I’d rather let my argument speak for itself.

    But let’s not pretend this is anything but an attempt to change the subject from the face of the democrat party, a trashy person like Ginger Lee, and a trashy person like Representative Weiner, trusted with great power and covered for by many democrats for three full weeks of lies.

    New York elects a lot of trashy people, doesn’t it?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  172. dailyrocks– you are exceptionally good at identifying and ferreting out socks. Do we have any obvious candidates who, like Glorious, seem to chronically misuse and confuse plurals, contractions and possessives?

    elissa (bfc104)

  173. Dustin – I think Ginger Lee seems like a very nice young woman and would have no problem spending time with her to teach her about the concept of humility, as long as it did not cost me a lot of money.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  174. elissa – Glorious just got my dander up by claiming humiliation and humility were interchangeable. They are not. They are entirely different concepts. Glorious was too cowardly to produce the definitions for consumption.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  175. elissa – Plus naming yourself after a gemstone is just too precious.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  176. Dustin – I think Ginger Lee seems like a very nice young woman and would have no problem spending time with her to teach her about the concept of humility, as long as it did not cost me a lot of money.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 6/16/2011 @ 1:16 pm

    I wonder how much it would cost. I don’t think very much. It’s not like these people retire wealthy very often.

    No, her services on camera probably are bought for a shockingly low sum. Can’t say I know for sure, though.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  177. Okay, this is just hysterical. Performance art?

    JD (b98cae)

  178. JD – Join the ranks of Psychologists! They require no licenses. I joined today at the suggestion of Glorious.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  179. It reminds me of the lady that has the seeing-eye horse translator that is being stalker by the Navy frogmen snipers posing as beef slicers.

    JD (29e1cd)

  180. Mary Kate

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  181. It’s a sad day when one can’t just make stuff up, plop it on the internet, and have people believe it unquestioningly. A sad day all around.

    elissa (bfc104)

  182. Mary Katherine Petrano. The one whose mother immolated herself on her front lawn as a peace protest. She wanted her service horse to help her take the bar exam.

    Good thing there was no mental illness in that family.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  183. “A sad day all around.”

    elissa – True dat. The country is going to hell in a handbasket.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  184. Comment by daleyrocks — 6/16/2011 @ 1:43 pm

    God damnit, daley… You know better than to name those people!!!

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  185. Mary Katherine and David Petranos Esq ROCK !!!!!!!!!!?????

    JD (380601)

  186. Service Horse Whistle!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  187. Mary Katherine and David Petranos Esq – WHERE ARE YOU ?!?!?!??! The Navy fragment snipers are conspiring with the beef sliders and the seeing eye horse trainers to ensure that you do not have access to the Courts, nor civil society. Carful, that frogman sniper might shoot out the overhead lights, and or sloop could be compromised.

    JD (380601)

  188. JD and Scott – I loved the loons suing their slip neighbors to take possession of their boat because they tightened their boat’s mooring lines during a storm. Classic and comedy gold.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  189. MKP is prolly still battling the airlines because they won’t let her take her service horse on planes with her.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  190. She was certainly honked off at that judge who would not allow her horse into his court room. Surely that is a reasonable accommodation under the ADA.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  191. Not sure if she intended to ride it while testifying, though.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  192. Daley, I had a chance to reread some of your self serving final entries. Me, cowardly, not hardly. You have already exposed yourself this morning in a vain attempt to impress the gallery here. You were proven wrong when discussing the etymolgy of the words, humility and humiliation. You didn’t even realize they had the same LATIN root.
    You claim you have an academic background in psychology. Maybe you do, maybe you don’t, I think the latter of the two. If you do(as you profess), what area of psychology did you focus on in your studies and what level of degree did you acquire? I must say, I did enjoy your “performance art”, to quote your blogger buddy JD.

    Padparadscha (70f08e)

  193. You really want to compare credentials? Eleven years? Pffft…

    Again, psychobabble and BS do not a Psychologist make. Your “expertise” is wrong, as well as your contention that you don’t need to be licensed to represent yourself as a Psychologist. Having a degree in Psychology (which I doubt you have) doesn’t make you a Psychologist, just as having a law degree doesn’t make you a lawyer.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  194. Aw shucks. I missed out on all the fun. But I think I smell foot odor on that arrogant fool.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  195. Padparadscha – I could give a rat’s butt about your academic credentials when it was your initial conclusion about humiliation and humility that is wrong. Go ahead and provide the definitions for both, coward.

    I also find it amusing you lack the humility to let your conclusions stand alone and try to play big shot over credentials. You are not a very humble person, especially after being humiliated, which provides everyone here with an excellent example of exactly why the words are not interchangeable. Thank you for proving my point.

    Have a peaceful night.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  196. Hey! I just realized something! “Hubris” and “hubcap” are interchangeable because they both start out the same! And I bet they both have the same root since hubris is self-centered and hubcap is something covering the center.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  197. John Hitchcock – You can see this one is persistent. It started last night. I don’t think the fun is over. Stay tuned.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  198. Ya know, back in 1983, I scored a 31 Composite on my ACT (29, 29, 33, 34). That was before the test got dumbed down and an extra point was added to it to increase the scores. According to my research, my ACT score is high enough to possibly be considered a MENSA candidate.

    Am I puffing myself up well enough to match the vainglorious one’s self-puffery?

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  199. Stashiu3 – I suspect Glorious Padparadscha may only have been in this country (if in this country at all) a short distance, but you never can tell sometimes.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  200. I can;t decide if:
    gird your loins

    or

    fasten your seatbelt, it’s going to be a bumpy night

    is the more more appropriate approach here.

    elissa (bfc104)

  201. elissa – Don’t leave before the miracle!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  202. I don’t mean to disturb your fun, but I have to interject that a license doesn’t make a psychologist, any more than it makes a plumber. If Glorious Paperclip knows psychology, and/or if s/he helps people feel better by talking to them, then s/he is a psychologist, license or no license. Just as Joe the Plumber is indeed a plumber, license or no. He fixes toilets for a living, so he’s a plumber, and the state can’t change that; if Glorious Pumpernickel shrinks heads for a living, or at least knows how to, then s/he’s a psychologist. Or at least a headologist. (Thank you Granny Weatherwax, I’ll take it from here.)

    S/he never claimed to be an etymologist, by the way, so his/her alleged ignorance in that field is irrelevant.

    And it is a fact that exposing oneself to humiliation in order to achieve humility is a method that has some established history. The school at Nevahrdok was famous for it. Whether it actually works is another question, but if we started asking whether psychological methods worked little would be left of the field.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  203. The arrogance of Glorious Padparadscha so clearly reminds me of the diametrically opposed humility of the Glorious Impossible, who wore humility like a second skin as it indeed was the very fiber of His being, from soul to bone and outward to those whose lives He touched. Truly, He was the original and only Glorious… Impossible.

    Born into humble circumstances and paradoxically a living definition of humility in spite of being the Son of God who could, if He chose, call down the power of Heaven – fully omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent, and yet instead meekly surrendered Himself to the will of His father and considered His full surrender and submission the ultimate humility perfected. That is the example.

    Glorious presumes so much.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  204. Milhouse, I know about the Joe the Plumber issue. In Ohio, you don’t need a license to be a plumber. That’s the fatal flaw in your analogy.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)


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