Patterico on Stage Right Show Tonight
You can listen live here. I should be on in a few minutes. I am going to try to embed it after the jump.
Feel free to call in.
UPDATE: Tommy Christopher called in and we had a spirited debate marred by an awful echo in everyone’s ear. It was a great, great show with many née revelations but impossible to hear. Tommy admits he never met Betty and Veronica face to face and could not reconcile all the inconsistencies in his story.
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The embed worked!
So really: call in.
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 9:16 pmTalking about Weiner, of course.
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 9:17 pmGC is not acquitting herself very well, recently.
JD (318f81) — 6/14/2011 @ 9:21 pmI think Larry’s not ready for me.
Can you guys see this? Feedback, please!
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 9:25 pmListening now, Patrick. You’re up in 4 minutes according to the host.
Dana (4eca6e) — 6/14/2011 @ 9:27 pmGreat job!
lasue (3b004f) — 6/14/2011 @ 9:48 pmIt was difficult to hear you. One problem is that Larry’s voice is about 20 times louder than his guests, so I have to keep cranking up the sound and cranking it down. It was just like this with the prior Crowder interview.
It is even more difficult to hear Tommy Christopher. I heard him blame Cordova for something or other, but it’s not clear.
My guess is that Tommy Christoper’s ‘how I verified’ has something to do with Patterico’s doubt of Cordova’s honesty. That’s why Patterico is keeping that information hidden (and why Tommy is too, though for other reasons).
For some reason, Tommy’s exposed in two contradictions so far, and he’s not clearly reacting to them.
He just comes across as a guy who is invested in the story instead of just covering it.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:03 pmI can pretty clearly understand Patterico now.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:03 pmThis teenage prostitute angle is hilarious.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:06 pmTommy is being evasive. He’s asked about the fame seeking, and moves to a point about Mike contacting her first. Irrelevant.
And when he finally gets to what I count as blatant contradiction #3, he just says ‘Ya, I dunno!’
You acted like you knew when you wrote this up.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:12 pmI tuned in late and keep having trouble hearing Tommy. From what I’ve heard, Tommy seems cheesed off because he feels he explained a lot of the story to Patterico before Patterico blogged about it, but he still does not explain why he took everything at face value although he claims now to have reinvestigated.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:13 pmneedless to say, you should totally link to the final version of this. you are killing tommy christopher.
Aaron Worthing (73a7ea) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:14 pmTommy never actually points to this stuff he told Patterico specifically. At least, nothing he’s saying undermines Patterico’s posts.
And Larry just went for the damn jugular with this ‘why didn’t you report this?’
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:17 pmThe audio’s scratchy.. patterico started.. tommy christopher called in… sayng.. veronica was concerned that weiner was trying to set them up via breitbart… which she told betty. Phones are sounding better now… about 5 after (10:05). Now the lede or storyline is suggested that she may have wanted media fame (?) by leading mike stack.
can’t see my screen either. audio and typing are both a stretch.
v neighbor (dfcf8e) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:19 pmTommy really doesn’t take Larry’s well explained point very seriously, and I don’t see why.
Weiner was a freak, and he had private conversations with a kid, and that’s worth an investigation. Tommy really resists this obvious fact.
He’s much more worried about his ‘off the record’ points that he doesn’t think anyone has a right to talk about.
His accusation that Patterico ‘indicted’ the mother is absolutely BS.
And damn, Larry just asked if Tommy had contact with someone in the DNC, and Tommy completely dodges. Nervous pause ‘why are you asking?’ and red herring. WOW.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:24 pm“..did anyone from weiner’s office or the DNC contact you? ”
“I-Did-Not.” tommy, i gather.
v neighbor (dfcf8e) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:25 pmOh, he just denied the contact.
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Anyway, this is interesting, his comment about what journalists should do. People shouldn’t speculate. They should just know? How do we get answers then? That makes it very easy for ‘deciders’ like Tommy Christopher to skew a story completely, blaming hackers who don’t exist.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:26 pm“Tommy never actually points to this stuff he told Patterico specifically. At least, nothing he’s saying undermines Patterico’s posts.”
Agreed and in response to Larry’s question he never says Patterico jepoardized the identities of the girls, which he makes such a big deal of protecting.
Tommy also never acknowledges that people were dumping all over his coverage since day one.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:26 pmYeah, in several cases, it sounds like he is deliberately using red herrings. He’ll point to something like his urgent concern for the IDs of the kids to dodge a major omission… or his lack of concern for the need for a police investigation.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:28 pmAnd I’m sorry, but I have to call BS on Tommy’s inability to understand Patterico, who is speaking loud and clear. Yeah, there are technical difficulties, but Tommy seems to be unable to hear all the hardest questions.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:30 pmI’m getting nothing but echo in my ear.
I hope this sounds better on the broadcast than it does in my ear.
Is this making sense?
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:31 pmNo, Tommy is probably having a hard time hearing. I am too.
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:31 pmPatterico, it doesn’t sound great, but I do understand what you’re saying. I understand 85% of Tommy.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:32 pmOK. I’m distrustful of his entire tenor.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:33 pmI mean, if you look at this the way I am, that Tommy is using diversionary tactics, his entire behavior from the beginning makes perfect sense.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:34 pmThat frustrated Patterico sigh was pretty funny.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:35 pmPatterico – Tommy is being incredibly defensive and evasive.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:36 pmThen again, I have had a low opinion of Tommy for a considerable time.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:37 pmI fundamentally do not understand Tommy’s complaint. Patterico brought the concerns about kids forward by making a blog post divulge that aspect.
Tommy kept that information in his pocket.
Of course Tommy, for sweeping it under the rug, should have notified law enforcement to look into it, and Patterico, for making sure everyone knew about the major story, wasn’t leaving this stone unturned.
Am I just an idiot, or is this an obvious distinction:?
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:41 pmLoud and clear now. I can hear you well.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:57 pmer, I mean Lee.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 10:57 pmChristopher did not track them down.
They tracked HIM down.
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:05 pmHe loves this ‘why didn’t patterico?’ ‘why didn’t breitbart?’ response.
He doesn’t love giving a straight answer.
And Larry is doing a good job showing that Tommy is not making much sense. He doesn’t take the credibility of the source into account. He takes some of what they say to be true or false, and it appears to be based on whether that fits his narrative.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:07 pm“And Larry is doing a good job showing that Tommy is not making much sense.”
No, he’s already contradicted who was his original source.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:09 pmIn other words, he’s not the greatest reporter ever, but rather a mouthpiece?
Do you know who these sources were?
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:10 pmAND STAGE ASKS THE KEY QUESTION
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:12 pmGINGER LEE
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:13 pmTommy waited 10 days to publish? WTF?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:15 pmCould you guys hear my questions?
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:19 pmHe didn’t ask them if Weiner contacted them and asked them to lie!!!
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:22 pmJeez.
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:22 pmYes. I heard the questions.
Tommy’s answer… not so much. He drops out every second.
I’d take John King’s ‘ah ah ah’ act over whatever caused these audio problems.
BTW, does anyone know B and V exist? Other than Tommy?
You think he’s sincerely just a clueless reporter? It’s very hard to believe he wouldn’t inquire about that.
I love the ‘you’re the journalist here’ comment. Yeah.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:25 pm“You’re the journalist here. I’m just a blogger.”
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:25 pmThis could have been an awesome show. Hope it sounded better to you guys than it did to me on the phone with the ECHO ECHO ECHO
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:26 pmWhere the f%$# was this caution when they were talking about evil hackers?
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:27 pmNope. It’s very frustrating. I think Larry did a good job.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:27 pmTommy is a JOURNALIST. Do not question his INTEGRITEH!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:28 pmTommy did not visit them in person, apparently.
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:29 pmOh my God. Betty, Betty’s mom, and Veronica all agree.
Ergo it’s true.
Oh my God.
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:29 pmTommy is an idiot if he thinks Betty can be relied upon to tell her mother the absolute truth, even if they use some theoretical monitoring software that Tommy has no clue whether is effective or not.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:31 pmYou don’t have his sense of ‘who they are’.
‘She’s a good girl.’
This is amazingly ineffective. And Tommy’s BS is the main reason they are even being talked about. Just handle this stuff, ask the questions that must be asked, and get past them.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:32 pmGod, Larry O’Connor is doing a GREAT job now.
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:33 pmNo kidding.
Though even if she did, some parents do cover these things up. Larry’s right there too. But your point is strong. Just because she’s a good kid doesn’t mean she can’t have a problem with a perv like Weiner.
And Tommy denies that all of this hinges on his gut call. ‘Not really!!!!???’
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:33 pm“Oh my God. Betty, Betty’s mom, and Veronica all agree.
Ergo it’s true.”
Sounds like the stories were almost rehearsed or coordinated or something, after the retractions. That would make some professional journalist suspicious, but not our Tommy.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:34 pmStage is KILLING!
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:34 pmLOVE IT
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:35 pm‘She’s a good girl.’
I think Ginger Lee is a “good girl.”
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:35 pmi keep thinking this interview is over, and it keeps going.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:37 pmBut it is beautiful.
Larry is killing Tommy.
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:37 pmSee? Didn’t meet them in person.
I KNEW IT
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:39 pmYeah, Daleyrocks, that’s how I see it too. We have a universal explanation of an admitted fraud. That is cause for great suspicion, especially since this pertains to a major sex scandal and obvious coverup by Weiner and his lackeys. Why leave that stone unturned?
I don’t think he did, though.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:39 pmTommy’s reporting speaks for itself.
Larry – That’s why people are asking questions. HEH!!!!
His reporting speaks for itself just like Weiner’s initial statements stood for themselves.
Tommy’s initial reporting also did not send people on wild goose chases. It was sourced and fact checked. Multiple layers.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:39 pmStage: Tommy is being protector.
Yup.
GUARANTEE that is what NYT did with Ethel too.
GUARANTEE.
Sorry: the real protectors? Patriot. Mike Stack.
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:45 pmI only caught the last 40 minutes or so of that, but it was great. love the interviewer, whoever he is.
Patterico came across as much stronger, much more certain, and much more focussed than Tommy Christopher. Christopher’s actions did seem evasive and was sometimes obtuse at times, willfully so.
Seemed like a decent guy and I like his website. But right or wrong, Patterico’s presence dominated his.
Random (662312) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:47 pmYes. And Patterico could well be right, but I got the impression a lot of his ‘I can’t hear’ was at times when Patterico was easier to hear but making a particularly good point.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:50 pmPatterico, you need to give yourself a bit more credit.
You’re entirely right, they were first and most: yet once their longstanding patience paid off, you more than any other blogger or media person advanced this story, I think.
Random (662312) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:55 pmMaybe so, Dustin. I don’t think I watched long enough to pick up on that.
Random (662312) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:56 pmGreat Job Patterico!
There is more to this story and inspite of Tommy and Gennette, it appears that it is going to see the daylight.
Joe
Joe Smith (54c0c1) — 6/14/2011 @ 11:57 pmYes, Sybilll. that was me getting a comment or two deleted and having fun with my firefox.
John Hitchcock (9e8ad9) — 6/15/2011 @ 12:01 amThe problem is that Tommy, Gennette, Betty and her mom are all in the bag for a far left congressman. So, yes their views are going to be slightly to the left of the facts!
Great quote:
Joe
Joe Smith (54c0c1) — 6/15/2011 @ 12:02 amFor the record, Tommy is a shill, not actually interested in the truth but rather servicing the Leftist meme. And NolteNC and his demands that Patterico call the cops in various states over issues Patterico dug up online… Nolte was well deserving of the flames I sent his way, regardless of Jill’s opinion.
John Hitchcock (9e8ad9) — 6/15/2011 @ 12:03 amIt hardly matters. It’s a petty suspicion.
Tommy did not have very good answers to the questions, period. They had to be explained over and over, and that’s a good way to avoid even more good questions.
At one point, he was demanding to know why Patterico didn’t call the police, and I got really ticked off, since his blog got the damn problem publicized.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/15/2011 @ 12:11 amGreat job Patterico.
At first I didn’t care to hear too much about this. Another creepy congressman doing stupid creepy stuff…
Until it became clear,and you convincingly laid it out that this creep isn’t even original,and uses the same lines on several of the gals he tweeted/facebooked/emailed/skyped. It would be creepy enough if he stuck to adults,but if he’s using the same lines with young girls,and interacting with them the same as he had done with Ginger and that other gal,I seriously hope you can find that out one way or the other.
flicka47 (ae99cd) — 6/15/2011 @ 12:26 amMaybe it was a fishing expedition Dustin.
Either he was looking to hear that Patterico didn’t have enough info to put it together; or TC felt that Patterico has that info, but may not know it, and he wanted to see if he could slow him down. There is no doubt he wanted Patterico to sit on the info and not look for more. He’s sitting on info he has. Probably in the hope that everyone will forget about this, or move on to the next story.
flicka47 (ae99cd) — 6/15/2011 @ 12:36 amTommy was reading the comment thread where NolteNC demanded why Patterico didn’t call the cops. I flamed Nolte for his stupidity and Jill told me not to diss Nolte. I told Jill when she earned my respect, I’d listen to her, whereupon Meredith suggested I might could’ve been in a bad mood. It was all quite interesting in an “in the weeds” way, but it wasn’t Tommy’s idea.
Tommy’s a Leftist shill, in my never humble opinion, who is never interested in actual truth but only in the game. And I highly doubt Tommy ever had an original thought in his life.
John Hitchcock (9e8ad9) — 6/15/2011 @ 1:00 am“Tommy’s a Leftist shill”
John Hitchcock – Agree 100%. Truth takes a backseat to the narrative.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/15/2011 @ 1:04 amTC had the instinct to defend the girls from Kos against public exposure.
He may be a leftist shill but he wears it like a mask. Cleary a conservative at heart.
Molon Labe (dc676c) — 6/15/2011 @ 1:36 amNo p.o.s. leftist would even pause to consider individual ramifications if there were a collective goal to achieve.
Molon Labe (dc676c) — 6/15/2011 @ 1:45 amBut Molon, his actions drew a lot of attention onto that diary.
It seemed to me like he didn’t care about the individual ramifications, and was trying to destroy a competing story. He wanted absolute control over what we learned about the kids.
The Diariest took down the picture. Kos didn’t, but then, it would have made more sense to ask the Diariest first, instead of that creep Kos. Instead, tommy had a huge attention grabbing story about it. If he meant this to protect the names, then he utterly screwed that up, didn’t he?
I would rather give Tommy the benefit of the doubt, but how can I after this interview?
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/15/2011 @ 1:55 am“TC had the instinct to defend the girls from Kos against public exposure.”
Molon Labe – Why do you assume that was his true motive?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/15/2011 @ 2:02 amMmm … I think you’re misreading Nolte. NolteNC = John Nolte from Breitbart’s empire. He recently moved to North Carolina, hence the NC. He and I get along very well and would never snipe at each other without cause. He would never demand to know why I didn’t call the cops.
FWIW I think the “why didn’t you call the cops” argument is a bogus line of attack. I said so before the Stage Right show tonight; during the show; and now, after the show.
But anyway, my main point is that I would bet $1000 that Nolte was not bagging on me with whatever you read. I have not met him, but have a firm opinion of him as a solid human being who would ask me about something like that privately first. Trust me on this.
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/15/2011 @ 2:07 amEspecially since an accidental feature of his efforts were to dramatically increase the exposure of that Kos Diary. And yeah, the Kos folks were typical douches, but that Diarist did remove the name when asked. As best as I could tell, Tommy had a conversation with Kos himself (and yeah, Kos was a douche) instead of that diarist. Correct me if wrong.
Anyway, Tommy mostly seemed interested in establishing his protector bonafides, and his actions had the opposite effect.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/15/2011 @ 2:25 amI don’t remember you guys calling in.
Did anyone try?
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/15/2011 @ 2:25 amDustin,
I guess my point is that Tommy could have contacted Kos privately. Eventually he reached out to the diarist himself and that worked. Great! Could it have been done privately? I don’t know. Did it save the girls or put them at risk? Tough question.
I will say this. My investigation probably could help save the girls. It would further expose a cretin that seems to like the underage girls. Have I gotten full cooperation from Tommy? It has not felt like it, no.
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/15/2011 @ 2:30 amDoes sanctimoniousness trump actually helping underage girls? That is the question I am asking.
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/15/2011 @ 2:31 amHell no!
Just kidding. But no. That would take way too much effort. And frankly it sounded kinda miserable to deal with the echos of eternal suffering or whatever version of Skype y’all were on.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/15/2011 @ 2:31 amOh my God the technical problems were frustrating.
Especially since I wanted, BADLY, to take on Tommy regarding his reporting and other issues.
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/15/2011 @ 2:33 amMy #86 was in reference to calling in.
It seems important to always look into these kinds of things. Weiner does seem to like kids who are way younger, and he’s got no capacity for self control. And people clearly are willing to keep their mouths shut for him, or chant the same exact tune on his behalf.
He’s amazing in his ability to dominate an interviewer… what’s he like with a 16year old who thinks she loves him?
Yeah, the people have a right to know what else this congressman was doing. I don’t think there’s anything unrealistic about being very suspicious there’s a lot being hidden.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/15/2011 @ 2:36 am“Did anyone try?”
I did not because I tuned in late and had trouble hearing Tommy whine and evade questions.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/15/2011 @ 2:40 amYeah, the technical problems bit, but you were on. I should have called in. I arrived late, and never thought of it.
Random (24278e) — 6/15/2011 @ 2:44 amIt’s amazing how far this story has evolved from the beginning. Just some idiot sending a really stupid pic to some obsessed fan evolves to… this.
But there’s a similarity in how experts who ‘know’ for sure it’s crazy to be suspicious of Weiner do not share their evidence.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/15/2011 @ 2:49 amJohn Hitchcock, Patterico.
Earlier in the show it was someone named sfenn or pfenn(something like that anyway) that was asking repeatedly why P wasn’t calling the cops. Several folks were telling her(?) to get real. But then with the sound so bad & the messages flying I pretty much stopped trying to read them. I think,but am not sure Nolte was one of the ones bagging on her.
flicka47 (ae99cd) — 6/15/2011 @ 2:57 amHe’s amazing in his ability to dominate an interviewer… what’s he like with a 16year old who thinks she loves him?
Veronica’s outrages are outrages reported by Betty. Hearsay. Probably twisted a bit.
SarahW (af7312) — 6/15/2011 @ 7:12 amI think Betty might help twist simply out of a desire to keep on the Congressman’s good side.
SarahW (af7312) — 6/15/2011 @ 7:13 amPatterico – what correction was xofer referring to on the twitter? What does he think you need to correct? Do you still think naïve, or dishonest?
JD (306f5d) — 6/15/2011 @ 7:26 amI’m in the “sincerely blinkered” camp myself, JD. Although I still want to know who sent Betty to him, or him to Betty.
SarahW (af7312) — 6/15/2011 @ 8:10 amListening to the show, almost finished. I have a few comments:
I was able to establish who Betty and Veronica were, through the Mediaite post about Kos. I had seen some of their tweets beforehand, but was able to confirm they were the Betty and Veronica because of the Mediaite post.
Tommy said that Betty reached out to him, but he was tweeting them, trying to get in touch with GN.
http://twitter.com/#!/tommyxtopher/status/74742504930557952
https://twitter.com/#!/ctsa/statuses/74919890397564928
Patterico or Lee made the point that the five page post with Betty, Veronica and Betty’s parents is awfully suspicious, and I agree. The purpose of the post, it seems, was to defend Weiner. I can’t help but suspect that the desire to bury the identities of B&V was to protect Weiner, if not as much or more so than the girls. It also makes the Mediaiate story seem suspicious that TC was the only one with contact, wanting to hook them up with a *friend* and then the full on denials from the (Weiner loving) families.
Based on the info they were feeding TC, it is very strange that they were believed that no DM’s existed, despite all the wild stories they concocted. plus the fact that we do know that DM’s did indeed exist, as Patterico proved, plus all those with the other women.
Also, TC made a case for not revealing information before it was verified, etc. but isn’t that what the Mediaite piece did that pointed to Patriot as the potential hacker? It was quite obvious that many in the media took their cues from that story, and the Kos and LGF stories that came from it.
sarainitaly (daf506) — 6/15/2011 @ 8:27 amThe narrative was Nasty Harrassers cooked it all up and were creepier than Weiner.
SarahW (af7312) — 6/15/2011 @ 8:40 amsarainitaly – So,was Tommy just cold=tweeting them or was he sicced – or rather, referred to them by someone else? Betty came to me, he implies. Why did she come to you, who sent her, how would she have the least idea who he is?
SarahW (af7312) — 6/15/2011 @ 8:43 amJust saw Tommyx post on twitter that got my back up, re this business, to the effect that he doesn’t appreciate being “lectured and hounded by reckless amateurs.”
Good God almighty. Not only does he not seem to recognize that Betty’s story of what Veronica said is not what Veronica said, but hearsay, and not necessarily accurate, he cannot see the heavy PR shaping of the statements he published on their behalf. He did not even acknowlege, let alone address, clear points of inconsistency in them.
SarahW (af7312) — 6/15/2011 @ 9:06 am“The narrative was Nasty Harrassers cooked it all up and were creepier than Weiner.”
SarahW- BINGO! Lying penis-tweeters don’t lie. Just ask Betty, Betty’s mom, etc.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/15/2011 @ 9:08 amSarahW- last evening on Twitter, Tommy told Patterico he only believed something about Ethel once the NYT reporter “uncovered” it. Patterico pointed out that he had led the NYT on that point.
I’ve also seen a NYT reporter asking Patterico for facts.
I think it’s funny, really, that someone at Mediaite is trying to pull rank over a blogger.
MayBee (081489) — 6/15/2011 @ 9:09 amComment by SarahW — 6/15/2011 @ 8:43 am
I don’t know, but it definitely appears suspicious that he reached out to them, said he had a message from a friend. Then Gennette comes out with her statement, and B&V come out with theirs, and shut themselves off to all other press. And they all defended Weiner – before he confessed.
sarainitaly (daf506) — 6/15/2011 @ 9:11 amSarahW- BINGO! Lying penis-tweeters don’t lie. Just ask Betty, Betty’s mom, etc.
Ha! And yesterday GNC tried to use the argument – Why would Weiner lie and say he didn’t have a relationship with me? He had no reason, so it must be the truth!
MayBee (081489) — 6/15/2011 @ 9:12 am…while all the while they are texting each other.
MayBee (081489) — 6/15/2011 @ 9:15 amListening still – TC said that he confirmed with Betty, Veronica and Betty’s rents that there were no inappropriate DM’s, yet they had said there were only one or two DMs. NYT later said there were five. Right there proves they were not honest. Also, the police said that some had been deleted from the computer, no? That was in one of the stories, from NYT maybe?
Betty’s parents obviously didn’t have a clue, or they would not have approved of the stuff that was going on. Not buying their story.
sarainitaly (daf506) — 6/15/2011 @ 9:22 amAlso, again, the fact that Veronica and Betty were telling Patriot or Stack that they had inappropriate Dm’s from Weiner, then later denied it… I am not buying it that they were lying then. We found out quite clearly that Weiner was sending inappropriate DMs to women/girls. So, Betty and Veronica just made that up? yea…right.
sarainitaly (daf506) — 6/15/2011 @ 9:25 amSara– I think the 5 DMs were Ethel’s.
TC and Betty’s parents were trying to sell the idea that those girls only got the standard “thanks for following me” DM. Except, that DM supposedly comes when Weiner becomes the follower.
AND that standard DM doesn’t exist. It was a creation of Weiner’s PR team for Ginger Lee.
Nobody so far actually received a standard “thanks for following me” DM when Weiner started following them.
MayBee (081489) — 6/15/2011 @ 9:26 am==who sent her, how would she have the least idea who he is?==
SarahW–The backstage machinations in the early days of the scandal are becoming more and more obvious.
Then the siccing and maneuvering and placing of stories in and by the the press was done to protect Weiner and the Dems. However now the planted stories, pics, and other press maneuvering seems to be going in the exact opposite direction with the Dems leadership’s henchmen desperate to force Weiner out by using and providing whatever embarrassing info they have. (See Allred, Gloria. See National Enquirer)
I wonder if Tommy C is smart enough to even recognize this, and see how stupidly he allowed himself to be used for what he probably was convinced was a worthwhile noble liberal cause at the time he was enlisted.
elissa (9db391) — 6/15/2011 @ 9:27 amSara– I think the 5 DMs were Ethel’s. – Oh crap, this gets so confusing. haha
Regardless, I still don’t buy the story from B&V and the parents, based on their claims that the girls had private DMs, and then claimed to be lying, and we know that Weiner was DM’ing girls/women. So I don’t believe B&V just made that up and happened to be right.
sarainitaly (daf506) — 6/15/2011 @ 9:31 am“Nobody so far actually received a standard “thanks for following me” DM when Weiner started following them.”
MayBee – I believe that “standard “thanks for following me” DM” is a picture of the lying penis-tweeter’s junk if you are a woman. We are not certain how many were sent out.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/15/2011 @ 9:32 amMayBee – I believe that “standard “thanks for following me” DM” is a picture of the lying penis-tweeter’s junk if you are a woman.
HAHA I think you’re right!
sarainitaly (daf506) — 6/15/2011 @ 9:34 amhttp://minx.cc/?post=317627
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/15/2011 @ 9:39 amCharles Moobs Johnson-LIAR!!!!!
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/15/2011 @ 9:54 amHa, Daley!
MayBee (081489) — 6/15/2011 @ 9:59 amIt was his standard welcome package.
MayBee (081489) — 6/15/2011 @ 9:59 amOne thing I heard that hasn’t been mentioned was why TC focused on the Andrew Breitbart/goatsred/patriot ‘hack’ dead end early on in. From memory, TC said he saw the right approaching the story from a Weiner’s lying perspective so he wanted to balance the treatment by weighing in heavily on the ‘hack’ side.
So I think this means that in a newsy rape case the media should be tearing into the victim’s past, as well as the possible perp’s which is normally done? Really?
This story has also redefined the status of the whistleblower. Whistleblowers shouldn’t be protected, nay, they should be INVESTIGATED in order to see if their evidence is……….I don’t know (it’s not like the basic facts were in dispute, after about day 4 anyway). What was the point of that except deflection?
Two years ago the media began questioning the legitimacy of protests. Not anti-war protesters of course. But the tea party. The story then was very much about the protestors themselves, and not their message. Just the opposite of an anti-war protest. Now we have the media no longer protecting whistleblowers, unless they agree with their politics. Again, the media has said we’re treating the same story differently, depending on the politics of those involved. Journalism isn’t really a profession anymore, is it?
East Bay Jay (2fd7f7) — 6/15/2011 @ 10:39 amThanks for mentioning that. It is shocking that he didn’t get hit over and over and over about his baseless demonization of the innocent.
I might even guess TC required this not be discussed as a condition of appearing. Is that an unfair guess Patterico (or others who know more about this kind of thing)?
YES. If you blow the whistle, anything you say will be twisted against you. Any possible error you make will ‘prove’ a wild conspiracy and have you labeled a ‘liar’ even if it’s pretty clear you’re honest and made some kind of error. You have to have everything so lined up and perfect that there is possible flaw. And in my experience, the people who are that well versed in whistle blowing are the real frauds.
No it is not. It is a weapon. Both sides use it. Sometimes it is used for good. Those who trust it are fools. Trust yourself to weigh the evidence, and trust least those who speculate.
Patterico took the evidence and laid it out in three steps. That’s so unusual today I don’t even know what to call it. That should be journalism, and this stuff others have done should be called muckraking.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/15/2011 @ 10:54 amI listened last night. I heard Tommy say that real journalists aren’t supposed to speculate, they are supposed to gather facts.
Then about 5 minutes later he admitted that Colby Hall’s post (from which Larry read at length) was showing “speculation” on both sides. He makes it sound as if Colby Hall was just reporting what was out there, i.e. other people’s speculations.
But that’s not true. Colby Hall didn’t report on someone else’s speculation about Dan Wolfe, he speculated himself about Dan Wolfe. As we all know, that was instantly picked up by Stef at DKos and others. It started a chain-reaction of irresponsible speculation on the left.
So why is Tommy still defending this rampant, false and damaging bit of speculation except for the obvious fact that Colby is his boss?
John (1a890d) — 6/15/2011 @ 11:39 amTommy admits he never met Betty and Veronica face to face…
Well, has anyone asked Archie and Jughead if they’ve seen him hanging around Riverside High?
Rich Rostrom (1e3f90) — 6/15/2011 @ 8:39 pm