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6/10/2011

More on the Police Investigation in Delaware (Update: Johnson Beclowns Himself Further; NYT Reports, Cape and Tights Confirmed!)

Filed under: General — Aaron Worthing @ 7:22 pm



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Update: Instalink! But the must-read post here is the one that almost certainly caused this whole thing to happen, when Patrick put together powerful circumstantial evidence that Rep. Weiner was sending direct messages to an underage girl.

This is an update to the earlier post Police Visit “Ethel,” because there were too many updates.

We have already seen the strangely-worded denials from Weiner’s office.  Allahpundit writes that “[Weiner’s spokeswoman, Rita] Heller’s statement smacks of, ‘This is what he told me but I’m not sure if I believe him anymore either.’”  Which has to be worst denial since, well…  this:

Meanwhile the “Ethel” family reportedly denies it too:

“She was not targeted in any way and did not receive any inappropriate messages or photos or anything from the congressman,” a source close to the Delaware girl told the Daily News. “If she had, her family would have filed charges.”…

“The blogs have taken a few tweets from a 17-year-old kid and put their own twist on messages that were just kid stuff,” the source said. “Her family has gone through all her accounts and not found any inappropriate messages.”

[BY PATTERICO: I am deleting the next part of Aaron’s post. It contains speculation that I believe not to be true, based on things I know that Aaron doesn’t. — P]

Meanwhile this old clip has become more ironic tonight:

Yeah, really terrible of Breitbart to insinuate that Weiner was acting inappropriately in direct messaging a young girl.

Anyway, the correct answer here is not to conclude that Weiner is guilty of misconduct toward this minor, but merely to conclude that there needs to be a thorough investigation. Hopefully that is what is underway.

H/t: The Other McCain.

Update: For sheer comedy, it’s hard to beat this conspiracy rumbling from Johnson:

At this point it’s impossible to defend Weiner, but … the Fox News crew was already at the house before the police arrived? Does that seem a little odd to anyone?

Not if that Fox News crew reads Patterico’s Pontifications!

Update: The New York Times reports and there are all kinds of juicy things.  First they quote Weiner’s Spokewoman Rita Heller—the same language we saw above.  But they add this part:

Mr. Weiner’s spokeswoman, Risa Heller, did not provide copies of the messages, but said they were not inappropriate.

Except as we know she didn’t say they were not inappropriate.  She said Congressman Weiner said they were not inappropriate.  And she didn’t have the copies to prove him right.

And more from the family:

A member of the girl’s family who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect her identity…

Wait a minute.  I get and understand that we shoudn’t give out this person’s name, because you are exposing the girl.  But can’t we at least characterize the relationship?  Is it her father, mother, sister, brother, aunt… what?  Moving on:

…characterized the messages as “harmless” but expressed concern that Mr. Weiner had communicated privately with the teenager, a high school junior.

The family was aware that there had been exchanges between Mr. Weiner and the girl but assumed that all of their conversations had taken place on a public Twitter feed….

The family member said: “I am angry. This is surreal and unbelievable. It is absolutely crazy. We are just regular people who go to baseball games and basketball games, as ordinary and plain as can be.”

And we now know the computer is in their custody:

In the past few days, the girl and her family have become subjects of intense interest in the news media. On Friday afternoon, the local police arrived at their home and asked the girl and her mother to bring the girl’s phone and computer to the police station so they could be checked to make sure no crime had occurred.

The family member said the family complied, and did not expect any further action to be taken.

And Patrick definitely made a direct hit on one subject:

In a blog post on Tumblr, she later shared the contents of that private message from him. In it, Mr. Weiner appeared to liken himself to a superhero.

“I came back strong,” he wrote. “Large. Tights and cape. …”

Hmm, time for an expert photoshop by Aaron Worthing…

That’s a bullseye, folks.

And why are the UK Papers always outclassing the American ones?  From the Telegraph:

Even worse is the possibility that underage women may have been among Weiner’s victims. It was conservative bloggers, most prominently Andrew Breitbart at Big Government, that broke the story and forced Weiner into the situation of being unable to continue lying about his Twitter account being hacked.

Now leading the Weiner web sleuthing is Patterico, who earlier today posted a detailed and convincing, though circumstantial, case that there is a very strong possibility that Weiner sent lewd messages and/or images to minors.

Patterico’s post (the third on the subject) is well worth reading (warning: it includes some sordid stuff).

H/t: Aunursa.  And Daniel Reihl.

Update: I have to admit Bill Maher’s take on the scandal is pretty funny:

[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]

79 Responses to “More on the Police Investigation in Delaware (Update: Johnson Beclowns Himself Further; NYT Reports, Cape and Tights Confirmed!)”

  1. When responding to their CYA statement, go for the low hanging fruit first.

    “She was not targeted in any way”

    She most certainly was “targeted”… any girl who expressed romantic/sexual interest(even if it was meant to be ironic) in Weiner in which he took notice enough to follow and message them on twitter is/was “a target”. PERIOD… This can not be denied.

    “The blogs have taken a few tweets from a 17-year-old kid and put their own twist on messages that were just kid stuff”

    Let’s assert this to be true(honey mustard lube withstanding), I don’t think there’s much doubt that with weiner’s “tights and cape shit” talk that he was reciprocating her flirtations.

    soren (303eda)

  2. Btw, just so you know, there is a new post on this.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  3. Ginger Lee hooked up with Gloria Allred was because someone was going to try to speak in her name…

    Well look at that NYDN story… do you think that “source close to the Delaware girl” is someone else speaking in her/their name?

    soren (303eda)

  4. When responding to their CYA statement, go for the low hanging fruit first.

    “She was not targeted in any way”

    She most certainly was “targeted”… any girl who expressed romantic/sexual interest(even if it was meant to be ironic) in Weiner in which he took notice enough to follow and message them on twitter is/was “a target”. PERIOD… This can not be denied.

    “The blogs have taken a few tweets from a 17-year-old kid and put their own twist on messages that were just kid stuff”

    Let’s assert this to be true(honey mustard lube withstanding), I don’t think there’s much doubt that with weiner’s “tights and cape sh*t” talk that he was reciprocating her flirtations.

    (This got caught in the filter earlier…)

    soren (303eda)

  5. New York Times has a story just out where they interview relatives of the girl. One relative said the messages were harmless but that they thought it was odd that Weiner was sending her messages. They do mention him talking about being the Capeman…”Large”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/11/nyregion/weiner-says-he-sent-private-messages-to-girl-17.html

    Victoria (7b01cb)

  6. Ginger Lee hooked up with Gloria Allred was because someone was going to try to speak in her name…

    No, that’s not true. That’s Allred’s weasel words working on ya. If you read her statement carefully, she doesn’t deny the accuracy of the Lee quotes. She just says they don’t want those words publicized. And no doubt one reason is that Lee talks about Weiner having sex with his twitter groupies.

    They are just trying to scare people out of quoting Lee, rather than trying to stop someone from putting words in her mouth.

    —-

    Please God may the “Her family has gone through all her accounts and not found any inappropriate messages.” be a lie. Please please please.

    But that girl’s horribly inappropriate public comments probably are a reflection to some extent on her parents. She broadcast that nastiness in public by her real name. In private, she was far more graphic. I can’t prove it, but let’s get real.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  7. Quote from New York Times story:

    A member of the girl’s family who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect her identity characterized the messages as “harmless” but expressed concern that Mr. Weiner had communicated privately with the teenager, a high school junior.

    Victoria (7b01cb)

  8. She most certainly was “targeted”… any girl who expressed romantic/sexual interest(even if it was meant to be ironic) in Weiner in which he took notice enough to follow and message them on twitter is/was “a target”. PERIOD… This can not be denied.

    Exactly. And yes, there’s plenty of evidence in the open that Weiner was talking dirty back.

    If Victoria’s NYT interview really happened (not an anonymous fake interview) that’s incredibly sad. No wonder this 17 year old was so troubled with a family like that.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  9. PAtterico: Can you reconcile the 69ing big hunt message you posted with what the family and police are now saying -that it was harmless?

    Do you know if the police are looking at other underage girls he was messaging?

    Victoria (7b01cb)


  10. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/11/nyregion/weiner-says-he-sent-private-messages-to-girl-17.html

    Comment by Victoria — 6/10/2011 @ 7:41 pm ”

    Hmmmmmmm

    ———-
    The girl’s contact with Mr. Weiner started in early April, after her trip to Washington. The congressman spoke to her school group, and she began following him on Twitter, posting a public message saying how much she liked his speech.

    Two days later, Mr. Weiner began following her on Twitter. On her profile, she says she aspires to be president. In a private message he sent to her, he said: “How hip am I talking to a future president.”

    Delighted that she had heard directly from a congressman, the girl wrote a public post on her Twitter feed: “talking to Rep Weiner from New York right now! is my life real?”
    ———-

    Ethel: HE IS MINE ALL MINE HE LOVES ME AND NO ONE ELSE ILY ILY ILY!!!
    11 Apr

    Ethel: @RepWeiner I’m in love with you
    13 Apr

    Ethel: Watchin @RepWeiner on cnn <3
    13 Apr

    Ethel: Seriously talking to Representative Weiner from New York right now! Like is my life real?
    13 Apr
    ———-

    So, when did Weiner start following her? According to the NYTimes, it was on April 11th… and Weiner started chatting her up 2 days later after she publicly tweeted him "I’m in love with you" And two days after that he unfollowed her because of the #bornfreecrew.

    He followed her again after #weineryes, but Ginger Lee's emails indicate that #weineryes was a ploy to mask that it was odd that he was following certain people.

    soren (303eda)

  11. Victoria,

    From the NYT:

    On Friday afternoon, the local police arrived at their home and asked the girl and her mother to bring the girl’s phone and computer to the police station so they could be checked to make sure no crime had occurred.

    source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/11/nyregion/weiner-says-he-sent-private-messages-to-girl-17.html?_r=1

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  12. joe, i saw that. its in the new post.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  13. victoria

    when did the police say it was harmless?

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  14. It’s very doubtful anything would be on her computer or phone… it’s on twitter’s servers if anything… well, I can think of things I would look for on her computer but I don’t want to mention it…

    Back to the NYTimes story…

    “His third message to her was in response to a link she posted to a YouTube video of his giving a speech, with the message: “My true love.” “

    I thought the YouTube video was on her tumblr…

    Here’s a timeline:

    Ethel: Sitting in the chair where I first talked to my favorite Congressman :) )))))
    21 May

    Ethel: I’m in love with you. I hope you know this.
    May 22

    Ethel on Tumblr: My true love. [link to YouTube video]
    May 22

    Ethel: I love 69ing big hunt + like to use honey mustard as lube. Ohh yeahh baby I love bdh weiner
    May 22

    Ethel on Tumblr, quoting Weiner: “I came back strong. Large. In charge. Tights and cape sh*t…” My favorite congressman<3
    May 26

    So, WTH was Weiner reading this 17yo girl’s Tumblr? Did she route her tumblr posting through her twitter account? Did she tweet out a similar message separately?

    soren (303eda)

  15. also, don’t curse or it will get caught in the filters. i will retrieve them as often as i can, but better to avoid that and use a few asterisks, k?

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  16. BTW, I think it’s pretty well established that Weiner had been reading Ginger Lee’s tumblr too…

    soren (303eda)

  17. tmz says ginger lee was getting it on with him.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  18. Her profile where she talked about wanting to be a future president? Same profile where she talked about “marching band.”

    That pretty much answers whether he was aware she was in high school. That, plus the picture.

    Patterico (4f9e9c)

  19. Patrick

    and even if not… he shouldn’t be taking chances. he shouldn’t even be negligently cybersexing with children.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  20. She mentioned the YouTube on Twitter too.

    Patterico (4f9e9c)

  21. Patterico

    And btw, i am really sorry for not understanding that Lee was using your handle before. i didn’t even know it was possible to do that. i suspect i can do it, but i never thought to try.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  22. The White House and the Dem establishment want him to go. Biden has his hooks in Delaware. This is a message to Weiner; get out now and it ends. Try to hold on through 2012 and you will pay dearly.

    Problem is Weiner has nothing else.He has no law degree nor a business. His career was nothing more than fetching Schumer’s coffee. He’s not brilliant enough to go into academia. he doesn’t have a rich daddy like Spitzer. And he’s not likeable nor genial enough to slide into network punditry as Bob Beckel and Dick Morris have done.And this hasn’t helped. With Spitzer, prostitution is bad, but soliciting teen girls is way worse. In short, Weiner has no place else to go.

    Bugg (ea1809)

  23. “So, WTH was Weiner reading this 17yo girl’s Tumblr? Did she route her tumblr posting through her twitter account? Did she tweet out a similar message separately?”

    Actually she did tweet it out…

    On twitter, she put “no bullsh*t here” next to the link and on tumblr she put “My true love”.

    soren (303eda)

  24. OK, topsy is coming up short… I don’t buy the NYTimes narrativethat he just followed her because she liked his speech… so what was she tweeting April 11th and before?

    soren (303eda)

  25. ___________________________________________

    Possibility two: they know, but amazingly don’t think its inappropriate for a teenage girl to be talking about 69ing a sitting Congressman.

    Do the parents share the ideological persuasion of Weiner? If so, not only would that make them very likely to rationalize away the scrounginess of the guy, but they’d be more likely to buy into the idea that free expression (including that which involves sexuality) is beautiful, sophisticated and fun.

    And why are the UK Papers always outclassing the American ones? From the Telegraph:

    I always like scrolling through the readers’ forum of various online publications and blogs, the Telegraph included. It’s regrettable to me that this one isn’t as graphically easy to pore through as virtually all the others. IOW, this forum is visually similar to a huge block of text, where paragraph breaks are no where to be found. In lieu of that, I manually insert my own graphic “handrails”…
    ___________________________________________

    Mark (411533)

  26. Verum Serum has a good thought… he could have(probably) was grooming her but it hadn’t got explicit yet.

    http://www.verumserum.com/?p=25600

    One was about baseball. In another, he replied to a question she had about legislation by jokingly asking for her advice, the family member said. His third message to her was in response to a link she posted to a YouTube video of his giving a speech, with the message: “My true love.”

    Does anyone know what they’re talking about in the part I bolded? Did she DM the question or publicly tweeted it?

    soren (303eda)

  27. Something else to consider: you can delete any direct message in Twitter that was sent to you or that you sent to a person, even delete them all. It’s quite possible that while this whole thing had been going on the girl was covering her tracks and selectively deleted some of Weiner’s tweets and her own. (she did protect her tweets on and off several times during the past few weeks.) If that’s the case, then her family only saw a partial timeline of tweets, and it could be fair to surmise that they don’t know enough about Twitter technology to realize that there are gaps in the timeline missing. Only a proper police investigation is going to bear this out. The problem is, Twitter data is stored on Twitter servers, not on a personal computer. I think this will still be the case even if you use a desktop app for tweeting.

    She could be playing her parents for fools by having deleted the more incriminating tweets and only leaving in the ones that appeared innocuous. Delaware Police need to get the FBI involved, as they would be in a better position to recover any deleted data from Twitter and likely have a better understanding of the technology involved, and thus they could recover ALL of the private DMs that were sent between both parties.

    Lincoln Adams (b8fa78)

  28. Notice how William Yelverton and backstop and Tim ah and the rest scurried away when it became clear who they were defending?

    JD (318f81)

  29. Actually she did tweet it out…

    On twitter, she put “no bullsh*t here” next to the link and on tumblr she put “My true love”.

    But the NYTimes story itself has him responding to the link with “My true love”… which was on tumblr… of course, I don’t think they got everything right.

    soren (303eda)

  30. Well “Ethel” posted via her Blackberry and via the web.

    There will be evidence on her computer and the phone that should lead for a request for the Twitter logs.

    Also, you can expect that “someone” already has her past twitter, tumbler, and even her yfrog data captured.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  31. At this point, I am hoping that the National Enquirer have unleashed their best reporters on this story.

    Victoria (7b01cb)

  32. There might be problems if they decide to name the kid Seymour.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  33. From NYTimes story…

    On May 16, he began following the girl again, and over the next 10 days they had three private message exchanges, the family member said.

    One was about baseball.

    Who initiated the baseball exchange? Why in a DM?

    soren (303eda)

  34. One was about baseball.

    Who initiated the baseball exchange? Why in a DM?

    Maybe the NYT goofed, and what they meant to say was that at the time he was thinking about baseball.

    RB (3a32bf)

  35. Again-Big Picture-this is Weiner being told firmly to hit the bricks running. Behind the scenes he is being told it’s over, and if he wants to work again, he had best leave now.The Obama Adminstration is not going to allow some loudmouth lying pervert waving his dick on line at underage girls to embarrass them much longer.

    Congress is back in session this week. Congressman Weiner will not be there, unless he wants to duck arrest by Delaware state troopers like a 21st century Adam Clayton Powell.

    Bugg (ea1809)

  36. I have a sick feeling the parents don’t know about the “69” and honey-mustard (a reference to Weiner? Would a 17 year old think that was cute?) tweet.

    Because my folks would have hit the roof if I’d written anything like that and they had found out about it – and I managed to keep my parents pretty well in the dark about a rather startling amount of my activity during my senior year.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  37. Dianna – I wondered about the ‘honey mustard’ thing too. Let’s just say that a Google search left me feeling rather… uneasy… based on the context of her tweet.

    RB (3a32bf)

  38. RB, I’ve avoided googling it, for fear of what I might find.

    There’s a nasty, queasy feeling about this. The parents probably have no idea what their little “Ethel” has been up to, or so it’s easier on my stomach to believe.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  39. Agreed – Also, I think she deleted anything incriminating, and so her family only saw what she wanted them to see.

    RB (3a32bf)

  40. RB – Then they are in for a shock.

    Baseball, forsooth!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  41. Dianna,

    If “Ethel’s” parents did not know about some of the messages, they soon will as this story progresses.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  42. They meaning Huma and Anthony

    But I have to say this at least he is well-endowed.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  43. Meanwhile, from the Continued Adventures of Weiner Files:

    . . “YES BABY I UNDERSTAND. BUT THIS WEEK I’VE BEEN EXTREMELY HOT FOR YOU!!!!! I WANT TO DO THINGS TO YOU I KNOW YOUR WIFE WON’T… PICS ARE NOT ENOUGH. : -(“ Nobles explained to the philandering New York lawmaker on May 6, 2011.

    “So i will make sure to keep some time open so we can have a cyber session via skype. Does that make my hot sexy baby happy?” Weiner responded the next day.

    “I WANT TO DO THINGS TO YOU I KNOW YOUR WIFE WON’T…”

    Hmmm. Wonder where the woman got that idea. I wonder how Weiner’s wife will feel finding that out? Ugh. What a sick, disturbed “man”.

    RB (3a32bf)

  44. Is it possible the “honey mustard” tweet was meant to be a DM?

    1. Verum Serum didn’t remember reading that tweet and neither did I… and I read her timeline early after Weinergate started.

    2. PatriotUSA76 and the #bornfreecrew didn’t seem to notice it either(unless I’m missing something… did the screenshot come from them?)

    3. Where did you guys get that screenshot? I have a screenshot of it off of topsy.

    4. That’s some rather dirty talk… and even though I found her twittering to be odd at times, it’s completely out of place.

    5. I’m pretty sure that it would be the only time after she was followed again by Weiner(“SERIOUSLY LOVING LIFE AGAIN BUT I GOTTA KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT OR ELSE”) where she would explicitly say his actual name. Sometimes she would use indefinite articles(“I love you” publicly), or “my favorite congressman”, and one time she just linked to a video of his. But (I’m pretty sure), she didn’t say his actual name publicly.

    6. The mentioning of Weiner(instead of you) in a DM makes sense considering the “honey mustard” reference and the “bdh” term of endearment.

    soren (303eda)

  45. Weiner’s Internet security investigators will no doubt get to the bottom of this.

    MayBee (081489)

  46. The NY Times did an article a few years ago about what a rotten guy Anthony Weiner is. The article depicted Weiner as a bully who fired employees at the drop of a hat. If a staff member didn’t answer his blackberry messages whenever Weiner sent them (often at hours when most men and women are fast asleep) that was reason enough for Weiner to fire them. His abusive relationship toward the government employees who worked for him was quite at odds with Weiner’s prounion rhetoric. The article should have alerted journalists to what a disturbed man Weiner actually is. The same NY Times wrote an editorial about Weiner’s “offensive” conduct when Weiner ran for NY City Council in the 1990s. All in all, Weiner was and is a reprehensible fellow but because he takes the battle to the Republicans, leading Democrats winked and looked the other way when Weiner brought his over the top partisan act to Congress.

    Sid B. (1a1396)

  47. From ABC news at 10:00 tonight

    “ABC News’ Steven Portnoy (@stevenportnoy) and Devin Dwyer (@devindwyer) report: Rep. Anthony Weiner of New York is under investigation by the New Castle County, Del., Police Department for his online communications with a 17-year-old female high school student, ABC News has confirmed.

    This sounds kind of more serious or at least more in depth than her parents and some of the other news sites have suggested.

    elissa (f72979)

  48. Patrick, Lee, and Aaron, Michelle Malkin has been going to bat for you on Twitter, alerting various news outlets to assure you are given proper credit. FYI. I’ve been awol on the Weiner stuff while I transition to a new job, but, I thought you’d like to know. Great job guys. You outdid yourselves on this one.

    sybilll (6e5f0a)

  49. 6. The mentioning of Weiner(instead of you) in a DM makes sense considering the “honey mustard” reference and the “bdh” term of endearment.

    Are you thinking she screwed up the DM tag, simular to how Weiner screwed up with the picture?

    Thanks Pat (e55ba0)

  50. 2. PatriotUSA76 and the #bornfreecrew didn’t seem to notice it either(unless I’m missing something… did the screenshot come from them?)

    Goatsred has a picture on his yfrog of Ethel’s tumblr that was taken before weinergate began… he never tweeted that picture out publicly… I know he’s taken down at least one photo(DMs that Patterico has covered before) that had been on his yfrog before. Did he see the “honey mustard” tweet? Did he take a screenshot of it?

    Neal Rauhauser(a guy I really don’t like), actually did a good service in mirroring many of the tweet accounts of the “born free crew”…

    http://www.scribd.com/nrauhauser

    Here’s goatsred’s public timeline.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/56688842/Goatsred-Timeline

    soren (303eda)

  51. “Are you thinking she screwed up the DM tag, simular to how Weiner screwed up with the picture?”

    I think it’s a possibility no matter when it was deleted… but if it was deleted immediately yet mirrored on sites like google realtime(it’s not there now) and topsy(it is for now, I have a screenshot) then it’s the probable explanation.

    soren (303eda)

  52. Here’s Bill Maher and Jane Lynch reading the Vegas transcript – youtube version.

    I imagine some people have trouble with Mediaite.

    Thanks Pat (e55ba0)

  53. Argh. Please. No more Bill Maher, ever, for any reason.

    Beldar (a1d653)

  54. But I have to say this at least he is well-endowed.

    Why do people keep saying that?

    Name (required) (382560)

  55. soren

    nothing wrong with you drawing conclusions from what deleted. but patrick had a very specific reason for deleting it. thus why the comment was removed.

    Beldar

    sometimes he is funny. he’s a… well… a Weiner, but sometimes a funny one.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  56. Maybee

    > Weiner’s Internet security investigators will no doubt get to the bottom of this.

    And OJ will find the real killers. heh.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  57. Yea the coverup is always where they make key mistakes. First, Rep Weiner and now “Ethel” from Deleware.

    They don’t understand how technology really works. The data trail is what will trip them up every time.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  58. Aaron, we are now well past Rep. Weiner’s hired internet team.

    The data trail is there beyond the physical devices: Twitter, Tumbler, yfrog, Google Realtime, Topsy….

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  59. There is a constant in the universe: when a lefty does something wrong and admits it, there is always more that it didn’t admit. It’s sure as the sun or a Clinton or Chicago machine involvement.

    Ag80 (1bc637)

  60. What is it about the honey mustard quote that Pat knows, but Aaron doesn’t?

    Did I miss a day, or something?

    papertiger (e55ba0)

  61. “What is it about the honey mustard quote that Pat knows, but Aaron doesn’t?”

    I’m watched a recent twitter conversation nd one person “in the know” is saying Ethel wasn’t referring to Rep Weiner in the “69” tweet… and another person “in the know” is saying she may have not even tweeted that tweet…

    I find both scenarios very implausible so I can’t wait to see what they’ve got.

    One thing I forget to mention on my “it was meant to be a DM” theory is that in that theory she may not have been DMing with Wiener but someone else.

    soren (303eda)

  62. Someone please enlighten those of us not quite up on the twitter shorthand about the “honeymustard” reference and the “bdh” term of endearment.

    shipwreckedcrew (556004)

  63. “Someone please enlighten those of us not quite up on the twitter shorthand about the “honeymustard” reference and the “bdh” term of endearment.”

    Read this : http://patterico.com/2011/06/09/evidence-that-weiner-was-talking-dirty-to-underage-girls-part-3/

    Verum Serum is one of the guys in the know and he just said on twitter he’s working on a blog post that should be up shortly…

    http://www.verumserum.com/

    http://www.twitter.com/verumserum

    soren (303eda)

  64. It is crazy world!Clinton,a Democratic Party icon,lies to avoid the draft during war time,goes overseas to speak against the US,has repeated sexual adventures in the White House and the Democratic Party had and has him on a pedestal.A sneaky looking DemocratParty Congressman,Weiner, is involved in inappropiate internet conversations that have roiled the Democratic Party and they are trying to throw him under the bus because he is not a good representative of his party

    John Calomiris (a60fed)

  65. Soren,

    We know that Ethel sent the *69 tweet, it is captured before it was deleted in the coverup.

    For others, try your own google searches to find out some slang for all the terms; honey, mustard and BDH. Don’t expect others to do all the work.

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=urban+slang+for+honeymustard
    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=urban+slang+bdh

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  66. Here’s Verum Serum’s post… I’m not that impressed(he needs to show more)… see my comments there

    http://www.verumserum.com/?p=25608

    soren (303eda)

  67. Joe Smith, seriously go to hell you ass… what’s odd is that I seriously don’t know WTF you’re referring to as I never had anything to say about honey mustard or bdh… so seriously, STFU

    soren (303eda)

  68. OK, now I know what you’re referring to… and quite honestly you are an idiot… you should be directing that comment to shipwreckedcrew… but quite honestly, you shouldn’t have made the comment to begin with because I already answered it helpfully and without snark.

    soren (303eda)

  69. After Weiner’s aggressive lying the first few days, I figured his press conference “confession” was a Nixonian “modified limited hangout” designed to control the damage.

    There is no reason to believe a single word the man says. Without doubt there is a LOT more to this story, even if the “Ethel” link doesn’t turn out to be a smoking gun.

    Estragon (ec6a4b)

  70. Soren, you asked about the tweet in post 61:

    Quote: I’m watched a recent twitter conversation nd one person “in the know” is saying Ethel wasn’t referring to Rep Weiner in the “69″ tweet… and another person “in the know” is saying she may have not even tweeted that tweet

    Others, as in other PEOPLE asked about the terms and what they meant so the “letmegooglethatforyou.com” links are fo them from post # 60.

    However, since I was not talking, I am not going to STFU but just ignore your rant….keep reading for more fun on the tweet.

    There is another reference tweet where another girl types: Its great when @xxxxxx and “Ethel” break up, but they never even went out to begin with. dated 22 May.

    Sure it also possible that “Ethel” never sent her “69” tweet using her own hands but it came from her twitter account, was she hacked, did she leave her blackberry unattended or…. where have we heard this line before? Oh, yea Rep. Weiner claimed he was hacked way back on 27 May.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  71. I posted about the Verum Serum link.

    I think they are right.

    Patterico (1fa238)

  72. Given Toobin’s own “alleged” past behavior, he shouldn’t be the one commenting on anyone else’s sex scandals.

    AmandaFitz (f23f7e)

  73. Neal Rauhauser(a guy I really don’t like), Did a real good thing?? He decided that I hacked into Weiner’s account ,then made up a little “packet” ( as he called it) and sent it off to the FBI.It was titled ” Michael Stack’s role in the hacking of Rep Anthony Weiner’s Twitter Account”. He has yet to retract this statement. Well, Neal, I’m still waiting.
    We all have skeletons in our closets Neal. I can picture yours too.

    Screencap available if requested at my twitter

    goatsred (b20383)

  74. PS–Honey Mustard quote was caught.

    goatsred (b20383)

  75. Why should he have stopped with just one WeinerGram? After all, he was on a roll. And at least it was only electronic – he wasn’t double-dipping.

    Bill G. (3ac42a)

  76. The 17 year old girl was not being harassed by Weiner, she was being harassed by a group of unknown rightwing activists who in the past few days incessantly tried to friend her and her cohorts, and when she refused they began harassing her so much that she had to first block the rightwing nut cases, then later she shut down her twitter account.

    Apparently on the radical right even underaged teens are fair game for political stunts.

    Rick (e57303)

  77. How Tweet It Is!: Library Acquires Entire Twitter Archive

    April 14th, 2010 by Matt Raymond

    Have you ever sent out a “tweet” on the popular Twitter social media service? Congratulations: Your 140 characters or less will now be housed in the Library of Congress.

    That’s right. Every public tweet, ever, since Twitter’s inception in March 2006, will be archived digitally at the Library of Congress. That’s a LOT of tweets, by the way: Twitter processes more than 50 million tweets every day, with the total numbering in the billions. [SNIP]

    http://blogs.loc.gov/loc/2010/04/how-tweet-it-is-library-acquires-entire-twitter-archive/

    The cyberspace genius from NY knew this didn’t he? Did you?

    in_awe (44fed5)

  78. “Rick” is yet another leftisr throwing up a blizzard of baloney trying to provide cover for Teh Weinertweeter.

    JD (306f5d)

  79. Apparently on the radical right even underaged teens are fair game for political stunts.

    Weinergate has long passed the point where Weiner’s allies can distract attention from his conduct. By all means keep on wasting your energy.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (84e2c6)


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