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6/5/2011

More Weiner Messages to Young Girls? Evidence the Media Was Duped into Dropping the Investigation

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 5:37 pm

[UPDATE 6-6-11 6:27 a.m.: As originally hinted at the end of this post, there is game-changing information out today -- in the form of a new woman and new photos in the Weiner scandal. If you haven't read about that yet, you'll want to see that first, here. Then come back and read this detailed post, which shows one instance in which the media abandoned an investigation into further evidence before it even got started.]

There are new reasons to question whether Rep. Anthony Weiner sent DMs to young girls besides Gennette Nicole — and whether he sent Nicole more flirtatious DMs than just that one picture.

The other day, Tommy Christopher published an interesting article regarding two underage girls who had claimed to have incriminating DMs from Anthony Weiner. Christopher called the girls “Betty” and “Veronica” and said that they had admitted to him that they had lied. That may be . . . but there are some aspects of their claims (and those of their parents) that I think merit some examination.

In short, certain aspects of their claims sound fishy, and/or contradict other pieces of evidence that I have learned about. For example, one of the girls says in her statement that Weiner unfollowed her as a favor, to stop the harassment she was experiencing from Mike Stack aka goatsred, and Dan Wolfe aka PatriotUSA76.

That is not what she was saying at the time. At the time, she was angry at Weiner for unfollowing her. The details of this are set forth below.

Christopher’s piece needs to be questioned. There is evidence that what the girls are saying now is not true. Which could mean that what they were telling Stack at the time — that they had compromising DMs from Weiner — was true.

THE BACKGROUND: “BETTY” CONTACTS TOMMY CHRISTOPHER TO TELL HIM ABOUT DAN WOLFE AND MIKE STACK

Let me quote from Tommy’s piece:

Shortly after the Weinergate story first broke, one of several red flags I noticed, and shared with Breitbart, was the fact that there was only one unique retweet of the picture. My back-and-forth on Twitter caught the attention of a young girl who had information about the story, and she contacted me. Since she is a minor, and at her parents’ request, I will identify her pseudonymously as Betty.

It was Betty who pointed out the activities of Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76) and his clique, including a man named Mike Stack (@goatsred). She had a lot of information that I could not verify, but those facts that were independently verifiable formed the basis of our reporting on Wolfe Sunday afternoon. Wolfe and Stack, along with several others, had engaged in a campaign of harassing young, mostly-underage girls who were being followed by Rep. Weiner, as well as a constant stream of vitriol, homophobic innuendo, and rumormongering against Rep. Weiner. Betty was one of those young girls, and their unwanted attention, she says, caused her to shut down her Twitter feed.

Betty’s mother (we’ll call her Mrs. Betty) says that she and her husband monitor all of Betty’s internet usage, and were incensed by this group’s behavior. Rep. Weiner, she confirms, never contacted Betty privately, with the exception of a Direct Message welcoming her to his Twitter stream, a message Mrs. Betty assumed was automatically generated.

Just so it’s clear, it is “Betty” who brought up PatriotUSA76 (Dan Wolfe) and goatsred (Mike Stack).

Lee Stranahan did not bring up Stack or Wolfe first. “Betty” did. Which makes you wonder whether anyone had gotten to her. The more you read, the more you’ll wonder about that.

“VERONICA” ADMITS A LIE — BUT WAS IT REALLY A LIE?

Moving on:

A high school friend of Betty’s, whom I will call Veronica (she’s a minor), was also contacted, via Twitter, by a member of the group, Mike Stack (@goatsred). For personal reasons I won’t go into, Veronica saw a means of getting attention, and agreed to follow @Goatsred so that they could speak privately. She told him that she and Betty had incriminating Direct Messages from Rep. Weiner, a claim she now admits was false, and which she made without Betty’s knowledge.

In fact, she was simultaneously telling Betty that @Goatsred had tried to induce her to lie about Rep. W[ei]ner, and to enlist Betty in the plot. Veronica now admits this was also false. Yes, @goatsred did contact her, and she did feed him false information about Rep. Weiner, but this was not at his urging.

Christopher says Veronica “admits” she was lying, and maintains that it is 100% certain that “Veronica” was lying when she said she had incriminating messages. Maybe. But keep reading.

When a tipster, Adam Shriver, sent me a screenshot of this Direct Message from Veronica, from @goatsred’s public YFrog account, I confronted Betty about it, and Mrs. Betty called Veronica’s mother. That’s when Veronica admitted she had been lying.

According to Veronica, she never even followed Rep. Weiner, nor did he ever follow her. “I saw many other girls in the news and I wanted to be famous,” she says. “Nothing I told goatsred was true. I’m sorry to everyone for lying and for embarrassing my mom.”

Immediately below that is a redacted screencap of some of the DMs that “Veronica” was sending to goatsred/Stack.

(Christopher later goes on to explain how a Kos diarist published that screencap without redacting the picture or the name — and recounts how he unsuccessfully tried to persuade Markos Moulitsas to redact it. Kos refused but the diarist ultimately relented. However, unredacted versions of the screencap are still available online. I have seen them and I know the name the girl used when she was talking to Stack. I can further confirm this because I have seen the screencaps that Stack has sent me of the DMs from Veronica. Stack spoke to me for this story and authorized me to use the information he sent me.)

Here’s one question. If you look at Christopher’s redacted screencap, it is clear that “Veronica” is very concerned about keeping her name and the true name of “Betty” out of it. She asks Stack how the revelation will be worded, clearly not wanting to have her real name out there.

So, she wanted to be famous, but wanted to keep her name secret? Perhaps.

Or perhaps her intense desire for privacy explains why, when it turned out that an Internet reporter (Tommy Christopher) had discovered who she was, she suddenly claimed that she had been lying about having DMs from Weiner.

Christopher goes on to explain that Breitbart told him he (Breitbart) had the DMs from goatsred and had been trying to verify them, but did not publish because he could not do the verification. Christopher explains that this was a good thing, because the DMs turned out to be a fabrication (he claims) by Veronica.

How does Christopher claim to know the DMs were lies?

STATEMENTS FROM THE GIRLS AND BETTY’S MOTHER: WEINER DID NOTHING WRONG AND DAN WOLFE AND MIKE STACK ARE THE BAD GUYS

Christopher sets out full statements from Betty’s mother, Betty, and Veronica. The statement from Betty’s mother reads like it could have been written by Weiner’s press people. For example:

We would also like to express our disgust at the harassment of Rep Weiner and hope that everyone remembers this man did nothing wrong. Look at your own behavior and your own mental hang-ups and ask yourself why you find certain things so perverse — it says more about you than it does about the person you are accusing.

And concerning a certain adult actress, we would like to add that this girl did nothing wrong. If you actually read her blog it is about politics and chronic illness. My husband and I read it together with our daughter. Again, ask yourself what your own personal prejudices and hangups are before you make accusations.

This man did nothing wrong? I beg to differ, ma’am.

Here is the most important reason to question the statement: Betty’s mom and Betty both say that Weiner was forced to unfollow Betty as a “favor” because Betty was being harassed by the goatsred/PatriotUSA76 gang. But that is not what “Betty” was saying at the time.

Here is the statement from Betty’s mom to Christopher regarding Weiner’s decision to unfollow Betty:

Soon after she was following Rep Weiner, a group of grown men and a few grown woman who described themselves as “concerned mothers” began harassing my daughter. I can assure you, as a mother, I’ve never heard of such disgusting behavior. My daughter, with our permission, responded to these attacks on Rep Weiner following her with grace and maturity – which is something that cannot be said for these “mothers” and their fellow grown men involved in the attack.

These mothers and their grown male friends attacked the intentions and character of Rep Weiner to our daughter and suggested that he was somehow perverse for following her. This disgusted myself and my husband. They were attacking a man, who has done nothing to them and has done nothing wrong.

Ultimately, Rep Weiner had to unfollow our daughter as a favor to her so these attacks would stop. We were sorry that these bullies caused this and we were disgusted to see that even after he unfollowed her, this group of so called mothers and grown men — continued to try and contact my daughter.

Betty also says that Weiner unfollowed her as a favor due to Stack’s harassment:

I was so excited because we were learning about politics in school and he is a great hero of mine. This excitement turned to fear when a group of women and men started harassing me for following Rep Weiner and for being followed by him. They said the most terrible things about him.

He was forced to unfollow me so they would stop harassing me.

Here is the problem. That’s not what she said at the time.

CONTEMPORANEOUS STATEMENTS FROM “BETTY” REGARDING WHY WEINER UNFOLLOWED HER — OR, THE IDOL WHO DIDN’T LIVE UP TO EXPECTATIONS

On May 18, “Betty” said:

Well @RepWeiner unfollowed me. That was a short time. I defended him from people. Some thanks he gives to his loyal followers.

She sounds upset at Weiner. How is that consistent with Weiner doing her a favor?

Moreover, just a day earlier, on May 17, she had been bemoaning the fact that one of her “idols” had disappointed her:

It really sucks when one of your idols doesn’t live up to expectations.

Here is a screenshot:
(Click for full screenshot)

The timing of this will become interesting when you meet “Ethel” later on in this post.

How can I tell you this is “Betty”? I think it will help if I first give you a timeline of some of “Betty’s” tweets, and then tell you exactly what Veronica was telling Stack that Betty had.

On May 15, Betty tweeted:

Watchin the game wit [redacted] & [Veronica]! #letsgododgers! #dodgersporvida

On May 16, Betty began a campaign to get Weiner to take her to prom:

Tweeps my progressive idol @RepWeiner is following me! Today is the best day ever!

Today also marks day one of my campaign to get @RepWeiner to be my prom date. Will you be my prom date @RepWeiner?

Everyone please please follow @RepWeiner and tell him to be my prom date!

Tweeps please tweet and follow @RepWeiner and tell him to be my prom date and use #RepWeinerBe[Betty]sDate

Follow the best progressive Congressman @RepWeiner he is a democrat who fights for us & against Republican trolls! #RepWeinerBe[Betty]sDate

On May 17, there was a sudden turn of events, in which Betty expressed extreme disappointment with one of her “idols.” It doesn’t sound like this had anything to do with goatsred/Mike Stack or PatriotUSA76/Dan Wolfe:

It really sucks when one of your idols doesn’t live up to expectations.

Betty wasn’t necessarily talking about Weiner, of course. But . . . on May 18 she was saying this:

Well @RepWeiner unfollowed me. That was a short time. I defended him from people. Some thanks he gives to his loyal followers.

That certainly doesn’t sound like Weiner unfollowed her because of Stack or Wolfe. Also on May 18, Betty tweeted this. In keeping with the Archie comics theme, I will replace the real Twitter handle of the person Betty is addressing with the name “Ethel,” another girl from the Archie strip.

RT @[Ethel]: Funny that you said you had a crush on a married politician. Are you forreal?

You see, Ethel (who still has her Twitter account) had been tweeting numerous starry-eyed tweets about Weiner. Ethel’s name has been published at the Daily Caller, but I would rather not publish it here, as she is of high school age. In April she had tweeted: “Seriously talking to Representative Weiner from New York right now! Like is my life real?” That tweet is now gone, though her account remains. A couple of days later, she wrote that she was “seriously depressed” that Weiner didn’t follow her any more. On May 13 she tweeted Weiner complaining that he used to follow her but no longer did. Two days later she wrote “SERIOUSLY LOVING LIFE AGAIN BUT I GOTTA KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT OR ELSE…” She followed that with “i love today, i really do” and “I’m in love with married men, #thatswhyimsingle.”

This is the same day (May 17) that Betty complained that one of her idols did not live up to expectations. And the next day, there was a message between Betty and Ethel in which one mocks the other for having a crush on a married man. (I can’t quite tell which; the form of the RT suggests that Ethel addressed an unnamed person and was retweeted by Betty, but the context suggests Betty talking to Ethel.)

On May 19, Ethel said: “Sitting in the chair where I first talked to my favorite Congressman. :))))))))”

Ethel could have been talking about someone else, right? Wait: I’m not done yet.

VERONICA’S DMs TO MIKE STACK

After the scandal broke, Veronica contacted Stack. She told him:

mike we see whats going on with rep weiner. [betty] has caps of messages from gennette nicole DMs talking about flirting with weienr [sic]

She encouraged Stack to try to message her back. She then sent the series of messages you see on Christopher’s screenshot. Note how the girl supposedly seeking fame (according to her statement to Christopher) was desperately trying to preserve both girls’ anonymity:

she also has some rep weiner DMs she is willing to share if you can guarantee she is anonymous

she just wants to know how it will be worded? who will be named as the source?

so andrew and dana will say they themselves are the source? keep [Betty] and my names totally out of it?

you can say we are high school girls because that’s necessary for the story

Other messages include:

the DMs with that girl gennette are between gennette and [Betty] with gennette telling her how she & weiner flirt

how they flirt on DM

then there are only 3 DMs from Weiner to [Betty] – they are pretty harmless actually. it is when she asked him to prom. that’s all she had

unfortunately she had already deleted the rest when he was accusing her and had [Ethel] harassing her

those were the worst of his tweets to [Betty] and [Ethel]s too

let me know when you are ready for the links – and download the pics instantly. [Betty] will delete within 5 minutes of saying you’re ready

u have permission to say high school girls were talking to college girl about rep weiner i can tell you how it went down as long as no names

we have the links for you mike. we ask that only you see these links not dana or andrew. just download the pics and send to them,

Stack tells me that he never heard from Veronica again — suggesting, possibly, that the parents had gotten involved.

It should be pretty clear by now that Betty is the same Betty I quote above who is asking Weiner to prom. Betty is the one, remember, who said on May 17 that she was disillusioned by one of her idols. Then she got into a dispute with Ethel. Then she complained that Weiner had unfollowed her — saying: “I defended him from people. Some thanks he gives to his loyal followers.

QUESTIONING THE GIRL’S STATEMENTS: WHAT REALLY HAPPENED? AND, ARE THERE WEINER DMs/PICS OUT THERE WE NEVER SAW?

So I have to question the statement from Betty and her mother that Weiner unfollowed Betty as a favor to Betty. At the time, Betty seemed upset at Weiner because he had unfollowed her.

And if Betty and her mom are lying about that, as they sing Weiner’s praises . . . what else are they lying about?

Now that you have this background, I should add some corroboration. All this is difficult because I want to protect the girls’ identity and not even drop breadcrumbs that could identify them, if possible. But I can note that, although “Betty” has deleted her Twitter account, if you know her Twitter handle, you can do a Google search that shows you her real name. If you know the name of the person who contacted Stack, as I do, you can do a Google search that shows you conversations between Betty and Veronica using the names they used on Twitter (Betty used a clear pseudonym while Veronica used a first and last name as her Twitter handle. Incidentally, the real name she used has Kossacks incorrectly alleging that she is a 20-year-old from Arkansas, which I believe to be false). The Google searches in question identify Betty’s first and last name, and when I quote Veronica’s DMs to Stack, the first name Veronica uses for Betty is the same one associated with Betty’s Twitter handle. That full name is on the Internet page from which I have taken the above screenshots, in which “Betty” asks Weiner to the prom and fights with Ethel.

Another thing I find puzzling in all this: if Veronica really made this up, why did she tell Stack that the DMs to Betty were innocuous? Why did she say: “they are pretty harmless actually. it is when she asked him to prom. that’s all she had.” Why not make up a more juicy lie about those DMs — and again, why does she now claim she wanted to be famous when she told Stack she wanted her identity and Betty’s to be left out of it completely?

Christopher assures me that he has 100% solid evidence that Betty and Veronica are telling the truth. I don’t know what that evidence is, but if it depends on the parents telling the truth, I’m not sure I’d buy it. Protective parents might well delete anything incriminating even if the kids didn’t.

If Veronica was telling the truth, what does all this prove? That Betty had DMs from “college girl” Gennette Nicole in which there were references to Gennette Nicole flirting with Weiner. And possibly pictures as well.

Meaning (if all this is true) that Weiner was flirting with Gennette Nicole, and that there is more picture evidence out there.

I think most people suspect these things anyway. This would just provide further corroboration of Weiner’s guilt.

I’m going to close with this: Andrew Breitbart has been on the radio today saying that he has new information that is going to change the dynamics of this story.

This is not over, folks. Not by a longshot.

UPDATE: Breitbart tweets:

Last chance to join the #FollowBreitbart juggernaut! (Well, not really.) #Weinergate taking new turn tomorrow in AM.

Boom!

UPDATE x2: Thanks to Instapundit for the link. Thanks also to Ace for his link. And thanks to Althouse for her link.

UPDATE x3: My, my. Looks like Andrew is delivering what he promised. Details on the game-changing evidence here. It’s a new woman and new photos.

140 Responses to “More Weiner Messages to Young Girls? Evidence the Media Was Duped into Dropping the Investigation”

  1. Please do me a favor and do not publish the names of the girls here. I have taken great pains to continue to protect their identities, and ask you to do the same.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  2. What with “Betty” and “Veronica”, could we give all of the other players in Weinergate names from “Archie” too?
    Who gets to be “Jughead”?

    AD-RtR/OS! (f756d5)

  3. didn’t Betty’s mom’s bizarre pom-pom waving for Congressman Nasty and the Smoking Gun’s vicious unsigned attack on Mike Stack both occur after dick photo boy hired the douchebag bottom-feeding law firm of Baker Hostetler to make his dick photo problem go away?

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  4. Betty tweeted about Weiner unfollowing her on May 18th. The Big Government post on the pic was on May 28. I imagine the actual tweet by Weiner was sent out on the 27th or 28th then. If what she says is true, how could he have unfollowed her because she was being harassed by Wolfe before anything even happened?

    shawn (2d0bdf)

  5. So Patterico- Is “Betty” the girl who tweeted to Ginger Lee and (I think probably Ethel) to ask them about their DM’s with Weiner?
    The girl we talked about in email yesterday?

    MayBee (081489)

  6. MayBee,

    I don’t want to drop too many clues about their identities, but there was indeed communication between her and Ginger Lee.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  7. I for one definitely welcome Mr. Breitbart’s new information

    Mr. Weiner’s unctuous and arrogant display of condescension in his kooky and witheringly un-self-aware interviews was really a lot insulting to everybody’s intelligence.

    The boy ain’t right.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  8. Betty tweeted about Weiner unfollowing her on May 18th. The Big Government post on the pic was on May 28. I imagine the actual tweet by Weiner was sent out on the 27th or 28th then. If what she says is true, how could he have unfollowed her because she was being harassed by Wolfe before anything even happened?

    There may have been communication between the Wolfe group and one of the girls before the scandal broke. I don’t think Stack ever talked to Betty, though — just Veronica.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  9. Thanks, Patterico. Good stuff.

    MayBee (081489)

  10. Drain the swamp Pelosi, drain the swamp

    EricPWJohnson (9edf59)

  11. unfortunately she had already deleted the rest when he was accusing her and had [Ethel] harassing her

    Is she saying Wiener was accusing her of something, and Weiner had Ethel harassing her?

    MayBee (081489)

  12. All I can do is report the DM he got, MayBee. That’s what it sounds like to me.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  13. I’ll bet all of Weiner’s electronic devices have STDs. And tons of porn — probably kiddy porn, too. And the ‘Private Security Firm’ is busy wiping and sanitizing. And I bet they know exactly how long to hold out to allow the twitter logs to clear.

    starboardhelm (e93080)

  14. Why would those parents want to leave him standing? Does ideology trump a disgusting person who abuses his power?

    Janetoo (84c5f6)

  15. two underage girls who had claimed to have incriminating DMs from Anthony Weiner

    I’d also point out that everybody in America what has an internet recently got an incriminating DM from Anthony Weiner – he sent a picture of his penis!

    What’s up with that?

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  16. Will some reporter ask Weiner if the law firm he hired or any agent of his contact Betty and Veronica and their families? Will the police be called as soon as Weiner understands that he’s been walking around the last week with “I’m A Liar” written on his forehead? Will his only defenders be Kos, Mediaite and the dynamic duo of Dan Rather and Mary Mapes?

    This story keeps getting peeled back like an onion. Only an onion smells better.

    MU789 (b5e80f)

  17. What kills me is that Betty’s Mom is more worried about protecting this nasty predator than her daughter. Creepy. My Mom, a dedicated democrat, would have hung Weiner up by his shrunken little pickles if he had ‘flirted’ in such a manner with one of her daughters.

    starboardhelm (e93080)

  18. I wonder if he ‘settled’ with the parents … $$$$ – the lawyer had them sign a non-disclose agreement or something of that nature… college money… ick

    Janetoo (84c5f6)

  19. All the secret tweets between Weiner and his jailbait bevy should be examined. And I know just the right guy to question him about them.

    Jay S. (79f341)

  20. I still think he ‘gets away with it’ – Gennette does not sound the least bit worried on her Twitter feed – she knows everything is deleted and it will blow over eventually. The whole thing is so tawdry, but he will survive. I imagine Mika will have him on Morning Joe soon and act like nothing ever happened and he will gradually relaunch his attack Michelle Bachman campaign…

    Janetoo (84c5f6)

  21. Janetoo, bingo.–

    When crisis management “fixers” within law firms are involved, money frequently changes hands as a way to make problems go away. Several of us have noted previously that the parents’ statement regarding the girls’ changing their story sounded just a little too-too. One would like to think that any decent parent would be loath to protect a middle aged perv who was in contact with their minor children. But a desire to keep their daughters out of the limelight coupled with some nice cash as extra enticement may have been more than some families in this economy can withstand.

    elissa (db6111)

  22. I still think he ‘gets away with it’ – Gennette does not sound the least bit worried on her Twitter feed – she knows everything is deleted and it will blow over eventually.
    Comment by Janetoo — 6/5/2011 @ 7:02 pm

    Doesn’t matter, Janetroo, that info would still be saved in Twitter’s database. It’s something like deleting a file in Windows – you don’t see the file, but it’s still on your PC.

    Jay S. (79f341)

  23. ____________________________________________

    two underage girls who had claimed to have incriminating DMs from Anthony Weiner.

    Most revealing angle to this story is that Weiner, assuming hints of his bisexuality are accurate, really does exemplify the power of free will and free choice—and lousy ones at that. But if that free will and free choice also are somehow ingrained in people — they (and their genetics) can’t help but be who they are!! — then I guess we therefore need to accommodate such behavior. We need a new law that permits dudes to send images of their bulges to any and every consenting adult throughout America.

    Moreover, since underaged girls are being exposed to, or will be exposed to, the notion that, say, a guy can run for the Homecoming Queen, or that “Heather Has Two Mommies,” the direct messaging of photos of someone like Weiner in his underwear is sort of fun and charming. Yep, nouveau, hip culture in general has become so cool and charming.

    Mark (411533)

  24. When crisis management “fixers” within law firms are involved, money frequently changes hands as a way to make problems go away.
    Comment by elissa — 6/5/2011 @ 7:09 pm

    Money transactions are also traceable, elissa. Especially when you already know who the senders and receivers are, it’s just connecting the dots in between.

    Jay S. (79f341)

  25. Wow, I will read after posting this:
    ” But according to data provided exclusively to The Daily from TweetCongress.org, a nonprofit website that captures each member of Congress’s Twitter feeds in real time, the shot seen round the world was transmitted using TweetDeck — a popular Adobe desktop application that links up with social networking sites. A review of Weiner’s Twitter stream from May 27, the day of the crotch pic, shows that Weiner had been posting only from TweetDeck — one of many ways to post messages to Twitter — that entire night.”

    linked from DRUDGE http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/06/05/060511-news-weiner-1-4/

    LOL – nighty night crotch prince….

    SiliconDoc (7ba52b)

  26. Jay S.– traceable? Are you not familiar with the phrase “Ve haf our vays”? :)

    elissa (db6111)

  27. ________________________________________

    The whole thing is so tawdry, but he will survive.

    That’s almost a given since he’s of the left and has a large majority of constituents also of the left. However, I don’t know if this matter is as tawdry and sensational as all the coverage here would indicate.

    A good portion of people in society have become increasingly desensitized to scandals and scroungy behavior. We’ve all become dumbed down through the years — symbolized by, among others, Bill “meaning-of-is-is” Clinton — so what would have been shocking decades ago barely rates a raised eyebrow today.

    Mark (411533)

  28. The parents might not have any scruples, which is evident in their support of Weiner, but Americans do. Pervy pedo congressman doesn’t play well with the public.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  29. There may have been communication between the Wolfe group and one of the girls before the scandal broke. I don’t think Stack ever talked to Betty, though — just Veronica.

    Comment by Patterico — 6/5/2011 @ 6:19 pm

    what was the date that the girls told patriot/goatred about the dms and pics from Weiner?

    windansea (569f57)

  30. Nice work, Patterico.

    rdbrewer (4fd417)

  31. Gennette is turning down Matt Lauer because she does not want to have to answer the question about DM’s between her and Weiner. Also – some $$$$$ may have gone her way as well…

    Janetoo (84c5f6)

  32. Good grief. I was totally taken in by Tommy Christopher’s article. Note to self: Never ever believe anything a democrat or democrat supporter says. I allow myself to be distracted by the kos window dressing, and missed the big lie.

    snookered (1f2034)

  33. Comment by elissa — 6/5/2011 @ 7:09 pm

    Michael Jackson set a dangerous precedent.

    AD-RtR/OS! (f756d5)

  34. If anyone really thinks this is going to go anywhere, they need to Google Maxine Waters and ethics trial.

    Huey (ddf1a4)

  35. The form of Tommy Christopher’s 100% proof (or pmeans of personal certainty) that Veronica was a double agent liar then, but telling the whole truth now….intrigues.

    I m trying to imagine what that could be. So, V was telling B that Stack ( et al.?) was pressing her to fabricate incriminating information about Weiner and his little ladies, and v tries to get B to help fabricate it, while at the same time Betty never knew ANYTHING about anything, …never knew V was mentioning Betty to Stack or anything related Betty and her Weiner related conversations. Ok.does that even make sense? I sense an inernal contradiction in those assertions.

    The only proof that would satisfy me, is Veronica telling Betty in archived and independently storedf

    Sarahw (af7312)

  36. When Cordova rejoined twitter and put out her statement she(and her boyfriend) immediately followed Tommy Christopher… and then he gets the CYA statement these high school girls… seriously, who is doing the connecting here? He seems to be on some PR rep’s “feed BS” to list.

    soren (f2f558)

  37. Well, then. That would seem to explain Stack and Wolfe dropping hints a week before the lewd photo about a scandal involving Weiner, doesn’t it? If they had these two girls telling them that Weiner was flirting with them and Gennette, that there were pictures involved, doesn’t that basically show why Wolfe and Stack were saying what they were saying?

    And doesn’t that basically remove the last shreds of innuendo suggesting that Wolfe or Stack hacked Weiner? No wonder Wolfe blew a nut when he saw that tweet from Weiner to Nicole, that was the proof he had been waiting for.

    George (ee9f62)

  38. Award for longest post ever.

    Sponge Bob Square Pants (fccc6f)

  39. Whoah … Ipading here…didn’t mean to post that yet # rony.

    Betty at the very least knew Veronica was talking with Stack and wanted to cook something up for him related to Betty and her Twitter conversations with and about Weiner.

    I would want to see Betty and Veronicas specific conversations on the subject. I do not trust Tommyx to catch ambiguity….

    my impression so far is that Veronica could be more ashamed of getting caught telling the truth.

    her statement was weird, too….the mention of her ( childish) punishments — no Internet, no tv…. Etc… Seems gratuitous , almost as if placed there less to express contrition, but to emphasize her childishness

    Sarahw (af7312)

  40. “mike we see whats going on with rep weiner. [betty] has caps of messages from gennette nicole DMs talking about flirting with weienr [sic]”

    I have a question… are we sure these high school girls even exist and aren’t personas… usage of the terms “caps” is kind of setting off alarm bells…

    soren (f2f558)

  41. When Cordova rejoined twitter and put out her statement she(and her boyfriend) immediately followed Tommy Christopher… and then he gets the CYA statement these high school girls… seriously, who is doing the connecting here? He seems to be on some PR rep’s “feed BS” to list.

    Comment by soren — 6/5/2011 @ 7:53 pm

    And who the hell is JohnReid9 on twitter and why do only Tommy X GNC and Juan_Dodgers follow each other?

    breitbartfan77 (e71ad9)

  42. “usage of the terms “caps” is kind of setting off alarm bells…”

    because of the constant use of it by patriotusa76 in that IM interview

    soren (f2f558)

  43. Patterico, have you googled the small-town Arkansas girl with a unique Hispanic name who lives in a small town in Arkansas? She appears to be a college student in a small town in Arkansas, class of 2012. I’m not sure she’s a minor. It might be a coincidence or another internet hoax, I just don’t know, but I think it warrants a look.

    arhooley (b54b23)

  44. #16

    I’m not getting close enough to smell… good enough for me to say “it looks bad from here…”

    I remember having to touch the dead sea lion on the beach to see how bad it smelt… now?

    Bad idea.

    SteveG (cc5dc9)

  45. So Weiner sent dick pics and was flirting with two underage twits?

    Sponge Bob Square Pants (fccc6f)

  46. “Comment by arhooley — 6/5/2011 @ 8:09 pm”

    Did you read?

    “Incidentally, the real name she used has Kossacks incorrectly alleging that she is a 20-year-old from Arkansas, which I believe to be false”

    soren (f2f558)

  47. Unfortunately I have to agree with those who say that much much more will need to come to light (and be provable) before he resigns or is involved in a criminal case. It’s probably not going to happen because of a cover-up.

    But that still does not mean he is “getting away with it”. He has become a joke and a laughing stock and an embarrassment to his party leaders. On the left, other than Debbie`Wasserman Schultz, no one in congressional leadership is really standing up for him and several stories have been leaked to the legacy press that suggest party leadership is very unhappy about Weiner’s antics which have now dominated over a week’s worth of news coverage. After this, are they gonna be comfortable sending out this loose cannon as their attack dog to the Sunday programs? Prolly not so much.

    Many have said he wanted to replace Bloomberg. Is he still viable as a candidate to be mayor of NYC? Many people do not think so, and he has some powerful enemies within his own party in New York who will use this scandal to keep him at bay and to thwart his fundraising. Is his political future as bright as it was once thought to be? Nah.

    Additionally, I don’t really see his marriage surviving this. Huma’s a bright and proud and accomplished woman who does not need this BS and media circus. It’s not as if they already have a lifetime together or children to raise.

    Because Weiner has some nasty habits coupled with poor twitter skills his Wiki bio is going to look a whole lot different than he had planned. At least that’s how I see it.

    elissa (db6111)

  48. so where are these DMs between weiner and gennette now? if you think politicians lie, try teenage girls!

    e,g, “Betty: Well @RepWeiner unfollowed me. That was a short time. I defended him from people. Some thanks he gives to his loyal followers.”

    who knows what that means. i know women enough to know to ask another woman their opinion!

    milowent (0f8248)

  49. Patterico, have you googled the small-town Arkansas girl with a unique Hispanic name who lives in a small town in Arkansas? She appears to be a college student in a small town in Arkansas, class of 2012. I’m not sure she’s a minor. It might be a coincidence or another internet hoax, I just don’t know, but I think it warrants a look.

    Soren has it right. I addressed that in the post and I believe that the Kossacks have it wrong. There is no evidence I know of to support the theory other than a coincidence of names.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  50. ” “Here’s the thing that solves it all,” said McCroskey, “for him to call for a criminal investigation. All they have to do is look at his TweetDeck and see if it came from there, see what IP address [it had]. The local police department or Capitol Police could probably figure this out in 15 minutes.””

    http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/06/05/060511-news-weiner-1-4/

    But Weiner isn’t playing…. LOL

    I guess the Weiner’s investigating firm can’t figure it out in 15 minutes… LOL — 15 months is my guess, then a vague statement with “we’re considering our options so we cannot comment” for a few years.. the usual lawyer CRAP.

    Night night crotch shot !

    ” A widely circulated explanation for how Weiner’s Twitter account could have been hacked by email would also seem to be incompatible with the fact that the message in question originated on TweetDeck. ”

    You don’t say…

    SiliconDoc (7ba52b)

  51. Jay S.– traceable? Are you not familiar with the phrase “Ve haf our vays”? :)
    Comment by elissa

    LOL, yeah, but how did it work out for that German gang?

    But as I said, if you know the payees and the recipients, it’s just a matter of following the money trail to connect the dots. Law enforcement would sort it out – especially if it was done to cover up a crime, e.g. illegal contact with minors in this case.

    Jay S. (79f341)

  52. The perverted weiner…heh sounds like a heavy metal group.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  53. SiliconDoc–are you aware there’s another good thread on Patterico today where Tweetdeck is being discussed? Wonder if your Tweetdick posts might fit better there?

    elissa (db6111)

  54. So Weiner sent dick pics and was flirting with two underage twits?
    Comment by Sponge Bob Square Pants — 6/5/2011 @ 8:10 pm

    In view of his refusal to have it investigated, that’s a likely possibility. It’s also possible there are more than just a couple victims of his special way of impressing young girls.

    Jay S. (79f341)

  55. Conversation with a friend yesterday at a gathering brought the revelation that she’d signed up for an on-line dating service several months ago. She says that over half of the photos she was sent were like that being discussed, and over half of those (maybe a third of the total) were “ah, well, totally unclothed”. We were aghast, she called up the account, we looked at new ones. Yes, about one in three. She said she was over being embarrassed about it, and just used it as a “pruning tool”, which brought a laugh from the ladies present. Males groaned, which brought even more laughter!

    The younger generation(s) … we didn’t teach them that!

    There’s a sub-culture out there that I didn’t know about (I haven’t decided if I want to know about it or not, but it is there.) Maybe Weiner is or was a part of that, and didn’t think anything of it, and then discovered that what he knew was normal, wasn’t. I’m not sure that’s an excuse for his behavior, but it might be a reason.

    htom (412a17)

  56. You mention this assertion of Christopher’s in passing:

    the fact that there was only one unique retweet of the picture

    While that may be strictly true, it completely misses the fact that Tweet Congress had their record of original tweet up independent of whatever “Patriot” may or may not have done.

    I find the Joe-the-Plumber-ization of Patriot that’s been going on here really disgusting. His RT is not the only evidence that the original tweet was sent from Weiner’s account. So much of where the Left has gone to try to derail Weinerquiddick is ad hominem attacks on Patriot. But we have the independent “testimony” of Tweet Congress. Unless the Left wants to impeach TC’s integrity as well, what we have is an attack on a whistleblower.

    The Monster (1a3731)

  57. #53 elissa – No I wasn’t, thank you.

    SiliconDoc (7ba52b)

  58. arhooley, the Kossites screwed that up big time- on Betty as well as Veronica. The name of “our” Veronica is not nearly as uncommon as they thought, and the Twitter profiles established a different location, level of education, and appearance (and interests )of the girls

    the kos kids ended up pulling a diary with the wrong girls, though it took them some time to realize their error

    Sarahw (af7312)

  59. Did you read?

    “Incidentally, the real name she used has Kossacks incorrectly alleging that she is a 20-year-old from Arkansas, which I believe to be false”

    Sorry, I didn’t see that; I skimmed. It’s still strange, though. Why would a high school girl use the very unusual name of a real person close who’s to her own age? Maybe she did, but I’d like to know Patterico’s reason for thinking so. “I believe to be false” isn’t exactly evidence.

    arhooley (b54b23)

  60. arhooley, the Kossites screwed that up big time- on Betty as well as Veronica. The name of “our” Veronica is not nearly as uncommon as they thought, and the Twitter profiles established a different location, level of education, and appearance (and interests )of the girls

    Okay, thanks. I wasn’t aware of the update.

    arhooley (b54b23)

  61. Doesn’t matter, he is a Democrat. Democrats have no moral code or even know what the hell that is, and they are proud of it.

    So this is perfectly ok, and not abberant behavior.

    Funny that he is married to a pretty powerful woman, you would think that would be interesting to the lovely media. Are they really married? Seems that might be a bit of a sham.

    But hey, it’s only newsworthy if it is a Republican.

    Rev Dr E Buzz (c8187d)

  62. To be clear, the girls in Tommy’s story, had Twitter profiles very different from the random victims of the kossites

    Sarahw (af7312)

  63. Unless the Left wants to impeach TC’s integrity as well, what we have is an attack on a whistleblower.

    Comment by The Monster

    They’d have to include the Library Of Congress as being in on some bizarre hacker frame-up conspiracy since it also keeps the same records of Congressional Tweets.

    Jay S. (79f341)

  64. A stray question:
    When there are stories like this one and the smearing starts, do “random victims of the kossites” (or similarly affected victims) have any recourse to sue? And if they do, can they reasonably follow the chain of discovery to reveal the truth?

    Sue (24e46b)

  65. arhooley,

    I’m consciously crippling some of my usual transparency and inclination to prove every last jot and tittle because I want to protect these girls’ identities — which doesn’t just mean the names, but locations, people they’re connected to, and so forth.

    But the Arkansas girl is in my opinion not the girl, after talking to Stack and seeing what he has. As SarahW says, the Twitter profile is different. Could it be that the Arkansas girl created a fake profile that just happened to put her in the same area as Betty, a girl she seemed to be friends with, and whose parents seem to know each other? It’s not IMPOSSIBLE, but given other evidence I don’t want to provide (again, the protecting young girls thing) I think it’s vanishingly unlikely.

    Plus, as SarahW says, the various social media profiles for the Arkansas girl are just inconsistent with everything else I know about her. I looked into this extensively.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  66. arhooley:

    Unfortunately some of my assertions in the post “aren’t exactly evidence.” I could email you a link to Betty’s tweets RIGHT NOW but I will not. I also checked to ensure that plugging her key quote into Google does not reveal her; if you plug that quote in, inside quotes, you get no results. Why that is, I’m not sure . . . but it is.

    But ultimately, as I have told Tommy Christopher, if there is a breadcrumb or two here you could follow, that’s an unfortunate side effect of Betty injecting herself into the story, pointing the finger at Wolfe and Stack, and inventing a statement that is at odds with her publicly available contemporaneous statements. She can’t do that and expect someone like me not to call her on it — although I am doing so with ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM PROTECTION of her identity, at the expense of considerable transparency and (frankly) convincing force to the argument.

    Everything I have said, I can back up if need be. I have saved scads of screenshots.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  67. #5 Maybee – Bettydid have conersations with Ginger.. And about at least Ginger’s communications with Weiner that I know of.

    Was rather upset at myself for mistaking Ethel for Betty…couldn’t rest after that till I collected as much as not contacting them could produce

    Sarahw (af7312)

  68. The flaccid weiner strikes again.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  69. let it not be lost on you that kossites plastered pictures, profession, a other personal information about the wrong BETTY, too…

    Sarahw (af7312)

  70. 67 I should never use an iPad after midnight…

    Meant to say “at least one conversation” about Ginger lees DM’s with Weiner…

    Sarahw (af7312)

  71. Wow. Feel kinda bad for given Lee heck for following the Dan Wolfe thread… it appears that there really IS more to the story. And nothing to do with a hacker, either.

    Geez. Who’d have thought this could get any slimier?

    Jewels (c7b6c5)

  72. given = giving.

    /sorry.

    Jewels (c7b6c5)

  73. Patterico, I wasn’t aware of the updates on Veronica.

    By the way, this:

    On May 18, “Betty” said:

    Well @RepWeiner unfollowed me. That was a short time. I defended him from people. Some thanks he gives to his loyal followers.

    Actually strikes yet another false note from Betty’s mother. Supposedly, Betty’s parents followed every single tweet, post, and electron she posted to the internet. Why would they have let that one go when they knew their wonderful progressive Mr. Weiner had been “forced” to unfollow Betty? Well, maybe they couldn’t catch everything.

    arhooley (b54b23)

  74. let it not be lost on you that kossites plastered pictures, profession, a other personal information about the wrong BETTY, too…

    SarahW–
    Do you believe that was a careless mistake by the kossites, or might it have been done purposely so that when the press contacted the “wrong” women and each of them said apparently truthfully, “I know nothing of this matter and do not know Rep. Weiner” it would be accepted by the reporter as a case closed scenario? I have not followed this aspect as closely as you, but on the surface it sure smells to me like a diversionary tactic.

    elissa (db6111)

  75. arhooley,

    It seems there is a lot that Betty’s parents missed.

    They followed every electron, except when they didn’t.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  76. Anthony’s weiner was trying to send his junk to bawney’s fwank.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  77. the fact that there was only one unique retweet of the picture

    While that may be strictly true, it completely misses the fact that Tweet Congress had their record of original tweet up independent of whatever “Patriot” may or may not have done.

    Also, it ignores the research Lee did regarding the rather unique nature of the tweet. It was a “mention” that started with an @ to Gennette. Such a tweet can be seen in one of two ways: a) looking at Weiner’s Twitter page (which is what Wolfe did), or b) showing up on an application like Tweetdeck, or on any user’s “timeline” (their Twitter home page) — ONLY if they followed BOTH Weiner AND Gennette. That is a small universe of people.

    Given Wolfe’s believable story about how he saw the tweet, and how long it was up (seconds), it is actually quite credible that he was the only one to RT it. In fact, he didn’t even do a standard “RT.” He tried and it was already gone. He actually copied it and put the letters RT in front of it. If it were not for the archives that prove it actually came from his account, Weiner might have been able to pretend it never went out over his feed.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  78. SarahW–
    Do you believe that was a careless mistake by the kossites, or might it have been done purposely so that when the press contacted the “wrong” women and each of them said apparently truthfully, “I know nothing of this matter and do not know Rep. Weiner” it would be accepted by the reporter as a case closed scenario? I have not followed this aspect as closely as you, but on the surface it sure smells to me like a diversionary tactic.

    I doubt it’s a diversion. They honestly thought it was her, is my guess.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  79. The media was not duped.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  80. Has anyone independently verified that these girls actually exist? That they’re people and not online personas?

    soren (f2f558)

  81. Nice work moving the story forward.

    oneisnotprime (e25cc0)

  82. soren,

    Christopher has talked to them, I think. I certainly had the impression that he met them and the parents in person.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  83. “Christopher has talked to them, I think. I certainly had the impression that he met them and the parents in person.”

    I don’t trust Christopher at all…

    soren (f2f558)

  84. I don’t necessarily trust Christopher on his judgments; I would want him to show me the evidence (and I’m certain he feels the same about me).

    But I believe that if he makes a blanket statement like “I met the girls in person” that he would not be lying. I hope he would say the same about me.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  85. “But I believe that if he makes a blanket statement like “I met the girls in person” that he would not be lying. I hope he would say the same about me.”

    True, but Tommy doesn’t say that he met them in person(or I don’t think so after skimming the peice again)… this is what he said:

    “Since I have only now been able to verify this story (and the identities of the two girls), I was unable to divulge any of this until now. ”

    That’s not very deep…

    soren (f2f558)

  86. Nice to weiner you… meet you. Nice to meet you, Weiner.
    [to Foxxy as Weiner leave]
    Don’t say weiner.
    Foxxy Cleopatra: Now stop.
    I said weiner.
    Foxxy Cleopatra: Stop.

    Weiner: Bye.
    weiner.
    [Weiner trys again to leave]
    Weiner.
    [Foxxy warns him again to hush]
    Weiner.
    Foxxy Cleopatra: Oh, shut up!
    [Basil and The Weiner walk out] Weinie, weinie, weinie, weinie, weinie!

    Weiner. Bloody weiner. We aren’t supposed to talk about the bloody weiner, but there’s a bloody w-e-i-n-e-r winking me in the face. I want to c-u-u-t it off, ch-o-o-p it off, and make guacaweiner.

    papertiger (e55ba0)

  87. soren: true.

    And I can’t guarantee he met them in person. But I certainly had that impression.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  88. Perhaps MRS.BETTY knows how to ask
    for a little help paying for the
    family’s food????

    missey (300095)

  89. UPDATE: Breitbart tweets:

    Last chance to join the #FollowBreitbart juggernaut! (Well, not really.) #Weinergate taking new turn tomorrow in AM.

    Boom!

    Patterico (135ea8)

  90. Would teenage girls really call someone their “progressive” hero?

    That’s the only part of this confusing scenario that doesn’t seem likely.

    ught (2331a0)

  91. Leave underage girls out of this story.

    No-one at age 17 knows what they think, let alone what they thought yesterday or will think tomorrow. They are girls.

    Focus all you want on Weiner and his defenders, and Breitbart and his defenders. But find ways to leave the girls out of it.

    Just delete this blog post, you’ll do everyone a favor.

    Publius (583d1c)

  92. I was questioning why Christopher was so quick to believe the girls were lying when they professed such great love and admiration for Weiner. I think it’s far more probable they were originally telling the truth and then thought better of it when their true identities were released by various blogs and they were confronted by their parents.

    New American Patriot (2571c4)

  93. As I said in the Christopher story, “Heck, how do we know [Veronica] isn’t lying now, to cover up for Betty that they were DM’ing with Weiner? Because her Weiner loving parents say so? How do we know she didn’t delete her account for some other reason?

    I don’t trust teenage girls. I used to be one. haha

    Betty’s parents never became concerned that so many people were warning their daughter about “pervy actions” by Weiner, and warnings that he liked to follow high school girls? That would make me concerned. I would wonder why he wanted to follow my young daughter, out of 100 people….”

    I fully believe this version, that they were acting like a bunch of love sick teens, that became jealous because Weiner had moved on to another girl. that’s probably why they contacted Stack in the first place – revenge. Honestly, this makes WAY more sense than the story Betty’s parents served up. And if they were so involved in her online activities, why did they allow her to post personal information on the web?

    As for the *innocence* of these girls, they were willing to expose a sitting Congressman for inappropriate behavior, whether the evidence was real or not.

    I guess because I was a 16 year old girl, I don’t share the same concern as others regarding their minority status.

    sarainitaly (daf506)

  94. “Please do me a favor and do not publish the names of the girls here. I have taken great pains to continue to protect their identities”

    I read this a week ago from the guy who posted all the content, interviews, research and generally “work” which you’ve lifted here.

    You’ve re-written this a week later when adding nothing other than a suggestion these girls’ story and motivation need to be questioned and this story kept alive. Your motivation for doing so is crystal clear.

    When he wrote it, it was credible.

    backstop (b11060)

  95. Backstop is just butthurt because his hero weinertweeter has been exposed.

    JD (b98cae)

  96. UPDATE x2: Thanks to Instapundit for the link. Thanks also to Ace for his link. And thanks to Althouse for her link.

    UPDATE x3: My, my. Looks like Andrew is delivering what he promised. Details on the game-changing evidence here. It’s a new woman and new photos.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  97. I doubt he lasts the week- just checked Intrade to bet on it but apparently they felt the issue is below them lol

    Put a fork in him…

    Reaganite Republican (c90bca)

  98. I read this a week ago from the guy who posted all the content, interviews, research and generally “work” which you’ve lifted here.

    That is . . . quite a dishonest statement there.

    I don’t even know who you’re talking about. Christopher? He didn’t publish Betty’s contemporaneous statements. He didn’t publish Veronica’s statements that the DMs to Betty were innocuous. He didn’t mention Ethel at all, or Ethel’s interactions with Betty.

    Nor has ANYONE ELSE questioned this story online, that I have seen.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  99. Leave underage girls out of this story.

    Excuse me: I did not inject them into the story.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  100. “Backstop” has been providing cover for the weinertweeter all week, Patterico.

    JD (306f5d)

  101. Backstop, at least you get that the story Christopher had gathered and put together – (and is given full credit for), is being reviewed with a skeptical eye.

    There are tells – parts that ring a little tinny in it and suggests that the family had assistance crafting statements. This is an effort to compare some of what was said there with what happened in real time. Does it ring true? Does it ring false?

    EVERYONE (ok, me) FORGIVES the follies of very young people, I in particular forgive the folly of teenage girls, myself having been one, and a silly one. The attention on their behavior is not to condemn them or expose them, but to see if Tommys reporting is the end of the story.

    Christopher was very satisfied with his evaluation but I was not really..

    Even if it is absolutely true that Veronica was seeking to get a story out that didn’t really happen and coax or dupe her friend into helping, there are tells of spin doctoring that disturb.

    I know I wanted to know Stack’s story – what the contact was, how it originated, his report of his conversations with Veronica or even Betty.

    Patterico went and got that, and addressed some inconsistencies that might suggest Veronica retracted after being caught telling the truth in a way that brought attention unwelcome to many.

    SarahW (af7312)

  102. Elissa – I think the supersleuths diarists who ratted out completely uninvolved persons did it out of irresponsible stupidity.

    There was no reason but a matching name to connect, in particular, wrongbetty with bettybetty, and nothing to connect wongVeronica with VeronicaVeronica but youth and a surprisingly common name.

    I think beginning with the unshakeable premise that Breitbart is a liar and Tommy Christopher his willing dupe or co-liar made them want to believe. Since BREITBART! devility is a kind of proof in itself, an anassailable fact,
    it made it easier to announce he lied about the ages of the girls.

    SarahW (af7312)

  103. Duped into Dropping the Investigation??!

    Hold up there, Patterico.

    Consider this: It was the freekin Nat’l Enquirer that broke and pushed the John Edwards(D) scandal all these years.

    The MSM was dragged kicking and screaming into even acknowledging it.

    Likewise, Weiner is also a Democrat. This type of licentious behavior is a ‘resume enhancement’ for these Libs.

    The MSM is always a willing participant in these matters for their progressive gub’mint puppet masters.

    locomotivebreath1901 (84ea0b)

  104. in regards to the press being duped… how can you dupe a willing participant?

    Dark Eden (b8b092)

  105. now, I’m not sure what the law is in DC or New york, but Here in Texas, sending electronic images of your semi-clothed/unclothed crotch to an underage girl is a felony and DOES NOT REQIURE THE VICTIM TO PRESS CHARGES for the local DA/Police to pursue charges. so AT A MINIMUM I think we have probable cause for a DA/Police to request a warrant to search his devices and subpoena his IP logs from tweetdeck/yfrog/twitter/facebook/ and his ISP’s.

    Rorschach (c5574d)

  106. In saying duped I was giving Tommy Christopher the benefit of the doubt.

    Especially since I do not KNOW he is wrong or that Veronica is lying now.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  107. Can you really call it being duped, when the MSM is already in the tank for party of the corrupt.

    Constitution First (f0d6ab)

  108. Someone tell me why this is important? How does this reflect on his ability to serve as a US Congressman. And, how much of it is because he took on breitbart’s hero Clarence “the Liar” Thomas?

    timb (449046)

  109. Water can be heavy. As is hypocrisy.

    Simon Jester (a84735)

  110. maybe we should ask Huma why this is important Mr. tim

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  111. hey huma on the significance scale, where 1 is not at all significant and 10 is wow that’s really significant, where do your husband’s dick photos fall?

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  112. That was effing hysterical, timmah. Maybe take Weiner out of your mouth long enough to breathe. Simply repeating his distraction meme is laughable. But we are quite accustomed to your abject dishonesty. Let’s look back to 2006 to see what you and yours had to say during the elections. Recall anything about then? Nevermind, your daily hate filled angry temper tantrum rant is all we expect from you now. Did you stomp your feet while typing?

    JD (d48c3b)

  113. Timb, it is important because if he is sending semi-nude/nude photos to under-age girls, he is committing child molestation (the actual offense name varies by jurisdiction) which is a felony and would generally require him to register as a sex offender for life. And if that is not bad enough he is also making himself vulnerable to blackmail who could force him to vote the way the blackmailer chooses.

    Rorschach (c5574d)

  114. Further if he managed to entice his under age recipients into sending pornographic materials back to him, he would be guilty of possession of child pornography, and THEY would be guilty of production of child pornography.

    Rorschach (c5574d)

  115. Ror

    Yep

    EricPWJohnson (9edf59)

  116. It is much simpler than that. It is simply wrong for a married congresscritter to be sending weinertweets to co-eds, porn starts, high schoolers, or basically any women not named humma.

    JD (306f5d)

  117. Also Timb he’s damn indiscreet.

    SarahW (af7312)

  118. I keep hearing that Weiner is smart. Um.

    Simon Jester (a84735)

  119. “Leave underage girls out of this story.”
    “Excuse me: I did not inject them into the story.”

    And how do they exist in the story, in which you reference them?
    As people who state that:
    1. They haven’t received any inappropriate tweets from him,
    2. their following him has a reasonable explanation,
    3. this happened parents approval and their monitored net use raised no concern for their parents,
    4. There is nobody anywhere claiming they are any different than any other of his followers in the tweets they’ve received.

    That’s the context in which you are rehashing these underage girls as a part of this national sex scandal worthy of further discussion.

    Since there is *nothing* to suggest they in any way relates to what Weiner is accused of doing, it’s a little hard to assume you’re actually looking for more sex-pics-scandal there and not just running more character defense for the ultra creepy stalkers of underage girls which you started earlier in the the week for no comprehensible reason.

    Seriously, you should claim you’ve been on a bender all week or something. You read that 2 creepy guys with disturbing records with women were trying to coax underage girls into lying about being part of a national politician sex scandal and you decided THAT not only they were worthy of defending, the jump off point was when they posted an insane chat manifesto and had their criminal record posted.
    That’s something you want to have an excuse for.

    Got a follow up comment about this have you? Well make it a good one, because you’ll be writing it somewhere the internet links to for years when they mention your name.

    backstop (b11060)

  120. I can’t be the only one giggling that her name is Huma, can I? I keep saying it to myself in kind of a long island accent. I weenah take you hummah to be my lawful wedded blah blah…. Weiners love hummers, etc.

    timb does not disappoint here. Indistinguishable from parody, he is.

    carlitos (b8daca)

  121. We need a contest for the most double entendres in one grammatically incoherent sentence

    EricPWJohnson (9edf59)

  122. Backstory is insane.

    Weiners love Hummas

    JD (b98cae)

  123. “As for the *innocence* of these girls, they were willing to expose a sitting Congressman for inappropriate behavior, whether the evidence was real or not.”

    This is pretty impressive.
    So these girls are bit suspect because the source for this entire story almost talked them into falsely claiming they were part of a manufactured sex scandal. One which involves nobody but this source claiming any woman received this pic.

    Yeah, a real Hardy Boys mystery there folks. I wonder if Oliver Stone has bought the movie rights yet.

    backstop (b11060)

  124. Backstop desperately wants to distract from the fact that Weinertweets are a bad idea.

    JD (306f5d)

  125. I really love the left’s new position that we should not talk about men hitting on high school girls because we must protect high school girls.

    Really. It’s for the children.

    MayBee (081489)

  126. Markos did refuse to edit my diary that had the girl’s DM screenshot in it – why would he?

    I assumed those messages were 20 something male trolls – 4chan, Something Awful, Encyclopedia Dramatica, etc.

    Someone from DK called me the next morning, assured me the people involved were actually minors, and I redacted the image about ten minutes later.

    So it’s a tiresome little smear attempt, the facts are publicly known, and that’s that. Please correct your story? Feel free to email me for further details if you’d like …

    Neal Rauhauser

    Stranded Wind (50bb12)

  127. @ Comment by JD
    “Backstop” has been providing cover for the weinertweeter all week, Patterico.”

    News to me. I’m happy to stipulate he’s sold nuclear secrets to the chinese in exchange for use of 9yo boys if this will help nudge your comprehension along.

    Meanwhile, read my post immediately above. Is there a particular Republican I need to pledge allegiance to so I can pretend I’m gullible enough to buy that?

    Seriously, I don’t know the secret here. Tell me what it is to let me believe that the 2nd painting the art forger has brought you of the exact same painting he just got caught forging is a real Picasso this time.

    backstop (b11060)

  128. backstop, is there an english translation of your comment?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  129. “Backstop” is insane.

    JD (29e1cd)

  130. SPQR, that’s short for BREITBART111!!!111

    SarahW (af7312)

  131. Weiner.

    papertiger (e55ba0)

  132. Stranded wind- correct what, exactly?

    I think everyone halfway familiar with the internet thought of 4chan/SA pedobear lark but upon review profiles of Betty and Veronica didn’t fit – ever- that scenario.

    If anything 4chan and/or et al has gone after Stack.

    SarahW (af7312)

  133. I mean we all know when you were decent about redaction when informed the kids were minors and parents objected. Is that what you mean by correct?

    SarahW (af7312)

  134. Well that was close to English. Closer than Backstop managed.

    SarahW (af7312)

  135. Backstop, one last time – the story and statements laid out by Tommy have inconsistencies with evidence of what happened in real time – and there are signs of spin doctoring/crisis management.

    SarahW (af7312)

  136. Has Tommy Christopher given a response to this article yet?

    He’s trying to prop of the comely coed on twitter despite not knowing anything about that situation… the #Thats545InSeattleIThink hash tag must mean something was going on between them…

    soren (f2f558)

  137. Stay tuned, Folks!

    This is not over yet!!!

    NY Lurker (7e36c2)

  138. I have said it, and I will reiterate it yet again. When are these “politicos” going to cease playing these adolescent games on the net? When you play with fire you get burned. Weiner, Edwards et al, just don’t get it. This type of “less than wonderful behavior” invariably comes back to bite you on the bottom! With each scandal, the observer becomes less and less scandalized and more and more “habituated” to this type of sensationalism.

    Varanus komodoensis (4de175)

  139. I have worked with men, who were chronologically old. They sadly had the maturity level of a sixteen year old sophomore in high-school, with a case of hormones gone rampant. One individual comes to mind, he would frequently come “blubbering” into my office, afraid of being busted for sexual harassment at work. He just loved to flirt with the ladies,(in fact he was an aging lothario, who was a tragic man-child).I refused to mollycoddle this twit, and told him, “Oh Bobbie”(always the diminutive), “what a tangled web you weave, when first you try to deceive”. This chap never learned from his mistakes, and was doomed to always be under a cloud of suspicion, (not to mention) never getting promoted, due to his “less than wonderful behavior”. Sadly,one of many.

    Varanus komodoensis (4de175)


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