BREAKING: Daniels Out
Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels said early Sunday that he won’t run for president because of family considerations, narrowing the field in the race for the GOP nomination.
“In the end, I was able to resolve every competing consideration but one,” Daniels said, disclosing his decision in an e-mail to supporters. “The interests and wishes of my family, is the most important consideration of all. If I have disappointed you, I will always be sorry.”
And then there were . . . how many are there now?
UPDATE: The rumors that his wife beat him until he agreed not to run are totally false. Yes, he got 16 stitches in his forehead, but people, please: he walked into a door!
you should be sorry that means Pawlenty is the only feasible nominee, and he’s a pandering douche what’s not at all up to the task of defeating bumble
this sucks
somebody serious needs to step the f up
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 1:02 amThe Associated Press very much wants you to know that Mrs. Daniels is a flighty skank and a bad mother but I was afraid you’d miss that without a pull-quote.
You’re welcome.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 1:09 amI wonder if there are any OTHER details he didn’t include in the e-mail.
DId they ever fight since 1997? I’m guessing he didn’t include those details in the e-mail EITHER!
Sheesh.
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/22/2011 @ 1:10 amI think I’m now on board with the draft Christie thing. He’s a flagrant douche, but beggars can’t be choosers. That’s what they say anyway, but I wonder if the person what came up with that was maybe not very familiar with America.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 1:21 amWith a GOP field this thin, the odds are good that someone else will jump in at the last minute.
DubiousD (732bfc) — 5/22/2011 @ 1:52 amUPDATE: The rumors that his wife beat him until he agreed not to run are totally false. Yes, he got 16 stitches in his forehead, but people, please: he walked into a door!
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/22/2011 @ 2:16 amI’m pretty damn surprised.
But then, who can blame him. The intentions of the media and competitors couldn’t be more clear.
You put yourself and your loved ones through hell, and live a bizarre life, if you seriously run for President. You’d have to be extremely weird to be willing to live that way.
The guy didn’t seem to have the fight in him to handle this level of politics, anyway. He’ll just tell you how he really feels, no games, and that wasn’t enough to win even the closet ideological voters.
And he was supported by intelligent people in the ‘establishment’ which automatically means all the ‘I know better than the establishment’ people rejected him without turning their brains on. That’s childish.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 3:34 amThis is very disappointing. I think the Republicans need to nominate a proven problem solver, preferably one that believes in conservative principles but who can also attract independents. The latter is necessary to beat Obama. As we choose a nominee, we have to be civil and not “shoot our own”. It’s one thing to disagree with a candidate but flaming plays only into the Dems hand (happyfeet above).
Bill S. (356d1d) — 5/22/2011 @ 3:37 amThere is no way the MSM is going to allow the first elected non-natural born citizen, black POTUS to be defeated. They and Obama have work to do. As most of the gliterati at the TIMES, major tv nets and their scyphophants learned in their various J-schools, they and The One must remake the world.
Having only recently been converted to the birther question…there is substantial reason to beieve Obama is not a NBC.
Not a whisper about this on the MSM…not even on Fox.
This election cycle is over; the only remaining questions is can the GOP capture the Senate?
Will there be any of the old Republic left by 2017?
VoteOutIncumbents (bd5def) — 5/22/2011 @ 3:57 amSnow White’s shadow silently dominates the GOP’s field of wannabes and dwarfs. It terrifies the Somnambulant Media, and frightens Democrat Nanny Staters into a revealing blind rage of shameless self-denigrating exposures, insanely incoherent rants, and drooling expressions of malevolent ignorance.
A Palin candidacy will have the potential to turn conventional party politics up-side-down. Her supporters, Patriotic Americans from both political parties, could unite under her leadership against big government Washington elites, shatter artificial Party distinctions, and open the door to a government of, for, and by the people who pay the bills in this country.
ropelight (3801d9) — 5/22/2011 @ 4:15 amBig plus for Pawlenty, who no longer has to divvy up the “Rust Belt Governor” aura. Small plus for Romney, as most of the “establishment” and business-oriented holdouts were waiting for Daniels to decide and are now potentially available.
But you just cannot assess this race until Palin makes her mind up. If Palin gets in, Bachmann and Cain are suddenly combing the ground for grubs. Romney and Pawlenty are fighting over the establishment/business community, and Pawlenty would still contend for the evangelical and Catholic voters, but both will feel the strong pressure from their right. Perry might be more likely to jump in if Palin is out.
The only things which are clear enough no matter what Palin does are 1) Gingrich was in it to hype book sales and speaking fees and so far his prices are dropping, 2) Paul and Johnson are on ego trips only, and 3) Huntsman has always been running for Veep as the quasi-moderate ticket balancer who actually served in the Obama Administration (+10 bipartisanship points).
Estragon (ec6a4b) — 5/22/2011 @ 4:16 amI think this is a summary of the attitudes of a lot of people, and it’s unreasonable on both ends. Daniels wasn’t a wannabe. Palin isn’t a superhero.
But hey, he’s out, and she isn’t, so I’m not going to rule her out. It’s just that I want someone with substantial executive experience, and by that I mean someone who was reelected and served long enough that we really can see the product of their leadership.
But the truth is that many of Daniels’s supporters want a conservative, and Palin is probably one of the best options they will get. That’s really depressing. It’s not Palin’s fault that she’s not more experienced, many rightly say, but this country still needs that experience, I say.
So while Daniels was actually leading, Palin was on twitter and FNC, and focused on something other than … actual duties. That means she’s been responding to Obama’s every mistake. She’s done a good job, but does this mean that every presidential candidate is a wannabe if they have something better to do than offer commentary?
Daniels dropping out leaves us without an experienced and proven conservative in the race. It’s a big loss.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 4:27 amFrom the Reagan diaries: “After lunch–a farewell to Mitch Daniels–his wife & 4 daughters. He’s going back to private life.” Feb. 25 1987
Vermont Neighbor (17012e) — 5/22/2011 @ 4:33 amAlso, don’t overestimate Palin’s support based on her internet support. She’s got about double Ron Paul’s number of die hards. That’s to her credit, but Palin needs Obama voters from 2008 to change their mind on her.
I’d have rather them be asked to consider someone with a long record of getting a state back on track for more jobs and businesses, dealing with a tough legislature, etc.
Maybe Rick Perry is running.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 4:37 amHey, you can’t really blame Daniels, if he loves his family.
Simon Jester (014915) — 5/22/2011 @ 4:46 amso it’s four more years of bumble and – bam! – America is a used-up whore lying in the gutter
Israel don’t say a prayer for yourself now – best to save it for the morning after I think
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 4:54 amWell, Mr. Feet, you and many other people have been working very hard to be real douches toward candidates who don’t quite fit your perception—even though you claim that BHO is an awful threat to the Republic.
So thanks for doing your part to help out “bumble.” I look forward to reading a whole lot more of your oddnesses toward whomever decides to step forward to try, and then lots and lots of whining from you after Obama wins again.
Not trying to fight. I’m just bemused that you complain about candidates right and left (more right than left, actually, based on your posts here), and then also seem upset that BHO may not have a strong competitor.
Simon Jester (014915) — 5/22/2011 @ 4:58 amI think happyfeet will complain about any Republican who doesn’t wear a stovepipe hat.
Pious Agnostic (6048a8) — 5/22/2011 @ 5:20 amSJ: Oddnesses is a very cool word; it describes stinkyfeet to a T. May I borrow it occasionally?
Old Coot (664b6c) — 5/22/2011 @ 5:54 amTwinkle-toes couldn’t carry Palin’s purse. His pronouncements are often too heavily larded with spite and vinegar, but they do sometimes reveal a twisted comic bent. I go back and forth.
ropelight (3801d9) — 5/22/2011 @ 5:58 amWell we saw what the NY Times did to McCain, didn’t we, and they didn’t apologize for themselves with that story. And Palin’s experience is demonstrative
ian cormac (72470d) — 5/22/2011 @ 5:59 amof what they, the AP, et al, are willing to do. Yet they never did to Edwards, or Dodd, well you get the picture.
Palin is waiting until the need for a strong candidate becomes painful, and then she will satisfy it. In the meantime, well, we got rid of another squish.
We just need to take our time – the longer we deny the media a target, the more the truth that Obama’s is an incompetant drip, drip, drips out.
sherlock (62f2cf) — 5/22/2011 @ 7:01 amWait till Piper Palin marries in the rose garden, with Bibi in attendance and Wills & Kate repping for England. I don’t follow weddings but maybe the big People extravaganza will be worth the cover price.
Sexist remarks and class warfare on the way in 3… 2… 1.
Vermont Neighbor (cae88c) — 5/22/2011 @ 7:21 amI think shittyfeet doesn’t like Palin because she didn’t abort her kid.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 7:43 amSo Mitch the Knife’s wife won’t let him come out to play; because she doesn’t want to answer for her embarrasing fling-nor does she want to have Mitch face the continuous questioning on the matter.
Because, you know, her false pride is more important than the fix our nation is in…
Let me be very clear about this. I admire Daniels’ accomplishments, and think that he would have had a good chance to either win the nomination or at the very least push the debate in a direction it needed to go.
But this is ridiculous. It’s not like his family’s finances are being bled dry by never ending gratuitous lawsuits. It’s all because his wife doesn’t want to have to dance to the tune she asked for-so to speak, nor have Mitch, or her daughters, have to answer for it either. So, you know, America can go scratch I guess…
And for the life of me, I don’t know why Mitch wouldn’t just take a page from the Obama playbook on this and call any such questions “distractions” and just refuse to talk about them; and challenge any persistent journalist to explain why Obama gets a pass and he doesn’t.
It’s a revolting development. Even watching someone being “whipped” is uncomfortable.
Bob Reed (5f2db5) — 5/22/2011 @ 7:46 amI get why he did it. It’s really too bad; the Republican field is pretty dismal.
Maybe this is karmic revenge for the Democrats scrounging up John Kerry to run against GW. Sigh.
–JRM
“I believe in karma. That means when I do bad things to people, I know they deserve it.” – Rat from Pearls Before Swine.
JRM (cd0a37) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:01 amWho?
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:07 am“You go to war with the army you have!”
(The GOP) needs Obama voters from 2008 to change their mind…
Isn’t that what a great many of them did in 2010?
AD-RtR/OS! (4712dd) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:20 amShameless on-topic plug time
http://powip.com/2011/05/mitch-daniels-wont-run-in-2012/
My Regards to all.
Bob Reed (5f2db5) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:23 amBTW, what are the odds that the House will hold hearings this Fall/next Spring, on the sources of credit-card campaign contributions in the 2008 Election Cycle?
AD-RtR/OS! (4712dd) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:23 am“… 2) Paul and Johnson are on ego trips only…”
Comment by Estragon — 5/22/2011 @ 4:16 am
Who is Johnson?
AD-RtR/OS! (4712dd) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:34 amWhat are the odds the demofascist in the white house will become increasingly desperate as his approval rating plummets?
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:40 am#29: zilch, zero, nada, none zip!
There’s too many people out there that agree with happyfeet’s and EPWJ’s point of view, so we know Palin doesn’t stand a chance. Nor any other female. In fact, there’s probably no one that meets their approval, so they shouldn’t complain when “bumble” wins again. Just suck it up and act like you are having fun.
PatAZ (96c670) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:49 amTouche. And I guess I’m saying we also need some Murkowski voters who rejected Miller, Reid voters who rejected Angle, etc etc.
That’s not as easy to say, since we don’t really need every one of these states. Everyone who rejected O’Donnell is pretty irrelevant to the general election.
However, 2010 shows that Republicans CAN win, thanks largely to Obama, but some styles of Republicans are still not viable.
But yeah, you’re right… we can win, and 2010 is proof.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:14 amBob Reed @ 24,
It’s all because his wife doesn’t want to have to dance to the tune she asked for-so to speak, nor have Mitch, or her daughters, have to answer for it either. So, you know, America can go scratch I guess…
You’re going to fault a man because he’s made a prudent decision to shield his marriage and family from the insidiously vicious attacks he knows will come? Have you considered that perhaps he realizes what he and his wife have worked hard to hold together after their breakup is worth far more to him than running for president, and that decision reveals a humility as well as a bit of the noble?
I think he is a man to be respected all the more for his decision. Nice set of priorities.
Dana (4eca6e) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:32 amDana, I know you’re right, I just think Bob and I are worried about the sheer magnitude of the problem America faces. We need some leadership badly.
And with the high stakes comes harsher political attacks, I’m sure.
Still, Daniels gave up a real chance at the Presidency because of his daughters and his wife. He’s probably a better man than we deserve.
Every potential candidate has to ask themselves if they can put their family through this. We’re left with the ones who say ‘sure I can!’ Hell of a system we’ve got.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:35 am__________________________________________
It’s not Palin’s fault that she’s not more experienced, many rightly say, but this country still needs that experience, I say.
Experience is not a problem for Palin, IMHO. I watched an interview of her yesterday on Fox and it’s her persona or demeanor that make her wobble too much. She has too much of a happy-talk TV-news-anchor quality about her, and a tendency to express herself in a way that comes off a bit too halting or tentative, and peculiarly unctuous.
Of course, I’d vote for her in second over the ultra-liberal now in the White House. But people like me aren’t going to decide the election in 2012. Also, the very fact we’re assuming that a person with the very scroungy, super pockmarked, uber-leftist background of Obama still will make for tough competition — and accepting such an assumption is going to be validated by polling data in upcoming months — indicates just how leftwing, decadent or oddly exhausted this society has become. IOW, a hint of the US becoming a bigger version of Greece/Mexico/France/Venezuela/Spain in the future.
Mark (3e3a7c) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:42 amDustin,
It doesn’t matter if Daniels had a real chance at the Presidency if he entered the race without his family’s full support and backing. He would have been torn up about it from the get-go and as the pressure cooker increased, it would have been more of a distraction and pulling away from where he knew his first priority was. A man with a heart and mind set like that would not have rendered us a fully committed candidate headstrong on winning. Ultimately, it was the best decision for his family and for all of us.
Dana (4eca6e) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:42 amHave you considered that perhaps he realizes what he and his wife have worked hard to hold together after their breakup is worth far more to him than running for president, and that decision reveals a humility as well as a bit of the noble?
I think he is a man to be respected all the more for his decision. Nice set of priorities.
Comment by Dana — 5/22/2011 @ 9:32 am
Very well said, and agreed.
no one you know (fd287d) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:52 amStill annoying, though. You’re right.
I’d rather have such a person in a position of responsibility than the other sort, but I think this is true.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:55 amDaniels may be a competent governor and good a budgets. But a man who allowed himself to be completely pussified by his wife isn’t a man you want in the White House. From day one every little tin-pot dictator and Muslim terrorist will look at him and laugh and the only way to stop the laughter is to have our Armed forces go medieval on them. We have enough wars on the plate as it is, we don’t need to half start more wars unless crushing our enemies in to the dust is our goal, which right now isn’t our goal. Personally I would not mind wiping out a couple of Islamic states pour encourager les autres, but since thats not in the cards right now, there is no need to elect a cuckold that will will encourage the wrong sort of behavior. Unfortunately the only ‘real man’ in the cards are either Palin or Bachman, we have come to our Margaret Thatcher moment. I hope we are wise enough to accept it.
cubanbob (409ac2) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:59 amIts time to see how we got here and why the GOP has no chance in 2012
Economic Downturn and Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large Projected Deficits
Vic (cd2802) — 5/22/2011 @ 10:07 amMitch Daniels is out, but Herman Cain announced that he’s in, and that’s a good thing for the GOP, if you can look past Cain’s emerging tendency to imitate Reverend Wright’s entertaining delivery.
ropelight (3801d9) — 5/22/2011 @ 10:10 amI’m sorry, but this is an unfair caricature of reality.
It’s not because he’s a ‘pussy’ that he treats his daughters and wife this way.
I knew you were a Palin supporter as soon as you described someone with family values as a pussy.
And I actually like Palin. I’m telling you, this kind of support has burned a lot of bridges. I want leadership that is more than crowd pleasing rhetoric at a Tea Party. I want real, long term leadership skill like Daniels has, and which is in terribly short supply.
BTW, Palin has gone on and on about how she’s asking her family if she should run, and worried about the impact on her family should she run.
You’re not really asking us for ‘wisdom’ in accepting that Palin is the ‘real man’ who doesn’t care about the interests of her spouse and kids. You’re asking us to ignore that she’s very similar to Daniels on this (and many other issues).
Furthermore, I don’t give a crap what Islamofascists think of our values. Yes, real men, in American culture, treat their women as equals in relationships. If you beat your wife, or even scream at her, that is seen as a sign of great weakness in our society. If you take care of her, honor her, stick to a marriage for decades despite the problems that come up, that’s a sign of great strength and personal honor.
Some of our enemies laugh at the way Barack Obama or George W Bush would treat a woman as an equal, but we honestly do not need to care.
And this line of thought is a really strange way to argue for Sarah Palin, who, after all, will get less respect from those bastards. Since I actually think Palin is a viable option in this shallow field, I have already rejected the opinions of our enemies.
No disrespect intended, cubanbob, but there’s nothing weak about Daniels’s decision on his personal priorities.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 10:10 amFamily Values?
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 10:13 amYou know, I’m really at a loss here. The Republican field is looking pretty desolate to me. For all the True Believers in the Staunch Conservative and Libertarian camps, why haven’t they produced a no-baggage (looking at you, Palin), serious, non-whacky (Ron Paul) candidate?
What the hell’s the point of getting the theory right if you never have anyone who puts it into practice? I mean, I stipulate the fuck out of the viewpoints at Reason, but I’m getting kinda sick of people who just sit smirkingly on the sidelines and go, “Nope, shouldn’t have done that!”
CliveStaples (b92b52) — 5/22/2011 @ 10:14 amMitch Daniels is out, but Herman Cain announced that he’s in, and that’s a good thing for the GOP, if you can look past Cain’s emerging tendency to imitate Reverend Wright’s entertaining delivery.
Cain should have already done his homework…
On Fox News Sunday this morning, however, Cain imitated Sarah Palin’s blank stare when Chris Wallace asked him about the right of return. “The right of return?” he said. After Wallace explained the Palestinian demand to return to the homes they were “thrown out of” [sic!] in 1948, Cain said that would be negotiated between the Israelis and Palestinians. “I don’t think Israel has any problem with Palestinians’ returning,” he said.
Even though Cain had told Wallace just a few moments before that he would offer the Palestinians “nothing,” because he is not convinced they are committed to peace and democracy, his cluelessness on the right of return suggests that Cain is more blowhard than gadfly.
Dana (4eca6e) — 5/22/2011 @ 10:16 amYeah, family values.
BTW, he’s also bright red on social issues. Extremely pro life, for example.
It’s just that the country isn’t about to collapse over Abortion, not that he thinks abortion is tolerable. He thinks that a few politicians have a good plan for dealing with debt, and therefore they must try to succeed. As a result, some have labeled him in a way that is actually simply a lie.
And yeah, if someone calls Daniels a ‘pussy’ for this decision, that person loses their seat at the ‘values’ table.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 10:18 amI like Cain a lot.
I do think his missteps are a result of not being a career politician. Those missteps would cause a bit of damage if he were in office, too. This is not the kind of job for the unprepared.
But the field is shallow, and Cain seems to be a sincere patriot with some decent business experience. Most of these candidates would make much better Senators than I’ve got.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 10:21 amcubanbob,
Marriage is simultaneously complex and messy. None of know what transpired between the Daniels and what compelled her to leave her husband for a season.
What we do know is they had the love and determination to make it work out, and they have evidenced a steadfast commitment to the success of their second marriage.
In a way, it takes even more courage and character to come back together and build something even stronger than the original, than to just remain divorced. There’s got to be an awful lot of love and promise that makes it worth the effort.
I don’t see how that is not to be respected.
Dana (4eca6e) — 5/22/2011 @ 10:23 am“Vic” is yet another cowardly banned sock puppeteer.
JD (d48c3b) — 5/22/2011 @ 10:32 amMy prediction for 2012: The R’s will keep the House, win the Senate and lose the Presidency. I am not looking forward to four more years of BO but I think that is more and more of a possiblity.
BT (74cbec) — 5/22/2011 @ 10:54 amThe Soros cbpp tag was the first clue,
ian cormac (72470d) — 5/22/2011 @ 11:00 amSeriously somebody needs to step the f up.
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth crappyfeet?
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 11:05 amThe interesting thing is that Daniels chose to put his family first, in spite of complaints by social conservatives that he did not talk enough about family values.
It is too bad. Daniels has been a good Governor here in Indiana and despite what Rush and some other talking heads might say he is a conservative, and a competent one at that. But he is not the kind of guy who responds to talk radio or internet chatter. He just does his job. Too bad there are not more people like him in politics.
Terrye (eec529) — 5/22/2011 @ 11:41 amThat’s the bottom line, Dohbiden.
I don’t speak for happyfeet, but there are a lot of people like him who can be relieved by something like multiple successful terms as governor. But someone (I think AD) noted that anyone the establishment loves will be seen with deep suspicion by the Tea Party. And I get that… Boehner’s track record, or Bush post 2006, or Mccain… those are things the Tea Party can’t forget when they are asked to trust someone.
So I dunno. Perry could come out and condemn the GOP House’s 2010 budget, insist on no cooperation that includes a debt ceiling hike, and keep up his great comments on foreign policy, and have a pretty clear path to nomination.
But I am done getting my hopes up.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 11:45 amI like Cain a lot.
I do think his missteps are a result of not being a career politician. Those missteps would cause a bit of damage if he were in office, too. This is not the kind of job for the unprepared.
But the field is shallow, and Cain seems to be a sincere patriot with some decent business experience. Most of these candidates would make much better Senators than I’ve got.
Comment by Dustin — 5/22/2011 @ 10:21 am
I have a real problem with the 23% national sales tax and prebates. That sounds like something that would not only create another federal program, but it would kill the economy. Imagine a 23% sales tax on a car.
Terrye (eec529) — 5/22/2011 @ 11:46 amUltimately, it was the best decision for his family and for all of us.
Still annoying, though. You’re right.
A man with a heart and mind set like that would not have rendered us a fully committed candidate headstrong on winning.
I’d rather have such a person in a position of responsibility than the other sort, but I think this is true.
Comment by Dustin — 5/22/2011 @ 9:55 am
Sarah Palin walked away from an office she had already won because of her family. I am not saying it was a bad thing to do…but I have noticed that people were a lot more willing to cut her slack for that decision than are willing to do the same for Daniels.
Terrye (eec529) — 5/22/2011 @ 11:49 amNo, that was not the reason, personal bankruptcy and
ian cormac (72470d) — 5/22/2011 @ 11:53 amthe grinding down of her state, under a barrage of
phony ethics complaints, was the reason,
daniels cut off our legs now we’re an amputee god damn him
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 11:53 amAgreed. Though there’s a difference, as Palin was suffering from lawfare, but then there isn’t anymore, as Palin is openly talking about her decision in the exact same terms Daniels is, clearly worried for her family. I like Palin a lot, but some of her fans take it way too far sometimes, and that burns bridges.
I certainly understand why this would seem to be a huge problem for the economy. I think we have to accept that the government needs some revenue, and somehow, whatever they tax will be negatively impacted. Right now, they tax jobs. Under Cain’s sales tax, what would be hardest hit? Manufactured goods? We are less dependent on those.
But perhaps 23% is too high (That’s my impression). Regardless, I think this is a much fairer tax system, so long as food and other basics aren’t taxed. I realize I’m just opening the door for corrupt decisions about what is a necessary product.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 11:55 amI guess you don’t eat much.
Scott Jacobs (d027b8) — 5/22/2011 @ 12:00 pmdaniels cut off our legs now we’re an amputee god damn him
Comment by happyfeet — 5/22/2011 @ 11:53 am
What trifle. Clearly, Daniels wasn’t the best person for the job. He would have been internally ripped apart over making the choice that his family opposed. That is not what we need nor want. His focus would be anything but laser sharp on the country’s needs.
Whether or not you consider one’s family’s opinion worthy of consideration, clearly Daniels does.
Dana (4eca6e) — 5/22/2011 @ 12:07 pmDustin:
I am not criticizing Palin, I am just noting that many of her supporters are not as willing to cut Daniels some slack…they expect that kind of understanding for Sarah Palin, but Daniels? Nahh. Not all of them ofcourse, but enough that the double standard is hard to miss.
Terrye (eec529) — 5/22/2011 @ 12:08 pmWhether or not you consider one’s family’s opinion worthy of consideration, clearly Daniels does.
Comment by Dana — 5/22/2011 @ 12:07 pm
I don’t think it is just Daniels. I think it would be almost impossible for a candidate to run and win if his or her family was not on board with the effort.
Terrye (eec529) — 5/22/2011 @ 12:09 pmLove the jealous palin-hating class warfareists getting mad that Palin didn’t move into the house they wanted.
BTW good riddance to Mitch Daniels.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 12:11 pmI certainly understand why this would seem to be a huge problem for the economy. I think we have to accept that the government needs some revenue, and somehow, whatever they tax will be negatively impacted. Right now, they tax jobs. Under Cain’s sales tax, what would be hardest hit? Manufactured goods? We are less dependent on those.
But perhaps 23% is too high (That’s my impression). Regardless, I think this is a much fairer tax system, so long as food and other basics aren’t taxed. I realize I’m just opening the door for corrupt decisions about what is a necessary product.
Comment by Dustin — 5/22/2011 @ 11:55 am
It would effect everything you buy. And if the government has to come up with some kind of “prebate” for the poor that will be just another kind of subsidy or welfare to make up for the fact that they can’t afford to buy things. Imagine, if your state has a 7% sales tax and they had a national sales tax of 23%..that means $30 dollars on every $100 you spend..just in taxes.
Terrye (eec529) — 5/22/2011 @ 12:12 pmLove the jealous palin-hating class warfareists getting mad that Palin didn’t move into the house they wanted.
BTW good riddance to Mitch Daniels.
Comment by DohBiden — 5/22/2011 @ 12:11 pm
First we get a lecture on Palin hating and then a slap at Daniels…how mature of you. Just like high school.
Terrye (eec529) — 5/22/2011 @ 12:14 pmMr. Dana nobody else in the running has a message what contemplates America at an existential moment, and nobody else in the running has given great thought to what the contours of our little country’s politics might should look like at such an existential moment – Palin just wants to spread our cheeks and blow traditional America up our ass – which, that will probably tickle
Romney is a Romneycare whore and Pawlenty’s first priority is going to be to re-enact Don’t Ask Don’t Tell – this is a clue that he’s a pandering squack with absolutely no dignity with respect to his pandering squackery – who else?
Cain? Okeydokey hear that bumble we have Cain at the gates you ass is grass now.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 12:16 pmI am stunned at the fear I am reading here. The Republican was unelectable three years ago. Bush fatigue was immense. THAT was the most impossible election of my lifetime save one: 1974 (and then 1976 presidential).
BHO is personally more radio-active than any president since Nixon. Just as Patrick can indict a ham sandwich in a grand jury, the GOP will elect a body in 2012. It will be a sweep of power – all of Congress and the presidency. This is the only possible reading of history and of our rotten current state of affairs.
I agree with the poster who said we are on the threshold of our Thatcher. I do not know if the GOP apparatus is smart enough to embrace this moment, though. It doesn’t really matter. BHO will not be the president in February of 2013.
Folks, just look at the electoral map. Where does BHO cobble together 270 electors? Virginia, Wisconsin, Ohio are gone. Arizona? Ha ha ha. There is not a single state south of Illinois that will support him, unless you consider California such (oops, Hawaii).
Unless and until I learn of a third party candidate, the only question is how conservative a person the GOP can muster.
Daniels would have been a competent president. He is incapable of greatness. Christie, Palin, and Bschman (and others) are. Daniels dropping out is GREAT news for conservatism.
Ed from SFV (cf17f9) — 5/22/2011 @ 12:26 pmThat’s Mrs. Dana, bub.
You’re going to have to define traditional America so I can know what’s so awful about it because right about now, it seems a wonderful alternative to what we’re currently being served.
Dana (4eca6e) — 5/22/2011 @ 12:28 pm“…She has too much of a happy-talk TV-news-anchor quality about her…”
Which she probably acquired whilst an under-grad majoring in Communications, and subsequent positions in the TV industry.
AD-RtR/OS! (4712dd) — 5/22/2011 @ 12:37 pmoops I got confuzzled sorry
Palin’s traditional America is a schmaltzy chimera and plus also it’s inarguable that Palin’s traditional America never faced a hyperinflationary death spiral, so ergo cogito duh, traditional America has little relevance to our little country’s current plight
we gonna have to get our nontraditional on if we’re gonna stand a chance of slipping the surly bonds of Obama’s ass-raping debt to touch the face of solvency
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 12:37 pmMr. Daniels knew that.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 12:38 pmAh yes saying good riddance to daniels is deranged hatred.
Sorry but you daniels worshippers are gonna have to grow a thicker skin.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 12:39 pmCain and the Right of Return…
Well, Chris didn’t exactly get the background facts correct when he pressed the issue.
AD-RtR/OS! (4712dd) — 5/22/2011 @ 12:47 pmThe Palestinian Arabs were not “forced to leave” the area known as The Palestine Mandate;
they were actively encouraged to leave by the Arab leaders of the surrounding states saying:
If you get out, we’ll get in! –
I beleive the strongest encouragements to leave came from the Grand Mufti of Jeruselum, who just a few short years before,
was ensconced in grand digs in Berlin where he directed pro-Nazi propoganda directed towards his Arab Breathern back in the ME.
Then, they (the Arab armies) found they were fighting a foe who had no intention to go away and allow them to prevail –
the only Arab army that had any successes against the IDF was Jordan’s Arab Legion:
Arab troops led by British Officers and Non-Coms!
Palin’s traditional America never faced a hyperinflationary death spiral
Well, we came close under the pre-BHO administration in 77-80!
AD-RtR/OS! (4712dd) — 5/22/2011 @ 12:49 pmDana,
Just to be very clear, I wasn’t damning Daniels for “putting his family first”; I was compaining that it was a revolting development.
There is a lot of truth in the aphorism that “we don’t know what went on in their marriage”. But there are some facts we do know. She left him, and her children, for a tryst; I prefer the harsh reality of that instead of the euphamism, “for a season” because that lends too much implied thoughtfulness and gravitas to a deed that was most likely neither.
We also know that he took her back and they reconciled their family life. That’s very big of him, and reveals a depth of character that makes me wonder even moreso why she would have acted so callous and irresponsibly in the first place, but that’s their business.
It’s his decision to put her feelings before any desire he may have to run, which probably was not as much as anyone might have thought. But aside from the press folks, and his political opponents, in Indiana, who must really be a civil lot since this is only being talked about now, public service is fundamentally about putting it out there, and knowing that the reason you do so is for the same reasons Cinncinatus did long ago…
She knew she was coming back to a situation where her husband’s life’s work was in public service, and short of asking him to temper his ambitions, she might have to face up to effects that were caused by choices she made long ago.
I admire the guy for attending to what he sees as familial obligations, but still suspect it’s probably a case of her asking him not to do it than here being willing to face the fire gladly to reciprocate the support he’s shown her.
And as I said before, I don’t know why they don’t adopt the strategy of meeting all inquiries on the matter with a firm no comment, remind all who get pushy that they were more than happy to give Obama a pass on his entire past; and that when they’re willing to bring Obama’s personal history up to date they can schedule a visit with the Daniels family right afterward.
So it’s not a case of me not giving him credit for doing the right thing. And admittedly I may be projecting on Cheri a bit, given that long ago I too was double dealed while Deployed in a far away place. But until the record is corrected, and admittedly we’ll never know so I guess I’ll be limited to conjecture, my instinct tells me that she’s the reason he’s not running; because he could stand to answer questions he probably already has many times personally, but she’s not prepared to deal with an embarrassing episode she’s happily put behind.
I meant no offense to you or “womankind” by extension by my comment earlier, and I apologize if it was somehow offensive to you.
My Regards.
Bob Reed (5f2db5) — 5/22/2011 @ 1:14 pmDrat! HTML fail
Bob Reed (5f2db5) — 5/22/2011 @ 1:15 pmYou think teabaggers will vote for Cain? hahahahaha
Vic (cd2802) — 5/22/2011 @ 1:36 pmDaniels deserves our respect, he made the right decision, for himself, for his family, and for our nation, a triple whammy.
Daniels was being set-up as the designated ringer, put in the mix to divide conservative and TEA Party voters and pave the way for the establishment’s favored candidate.
Daniels didn’t take the bait, he kept his wits about him, and he made the right call. That’s commendable.
ropelight (3801d9) — 5/22/2011 @ 1:39 pmVic shut your f*cking mouth.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 1:55 pmWell we will have a hyperinfltionary ard rock by this summer.
I guess that will ease up the gorebull warming.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 1:59 pmBob Reed @ 78,
I meant no offense to you or “womankind” by extension by my comment earlier, and I apologize if it was somehow offensive to you.
No apology necessary, no offense taken. Clearly, for every infidelity that takes place, there is a woman involved…or I suppose to be modern about it, for every infidelity, there is *almost always* a woman involved… Regardless, in my book it is never justified and always destructive. Given that, it just appears love has won out in the end: both in their reconciliation and in his decision to protect her by not throwing his hat into the ring. Clearly she’s wised up to the man of character he is.
What kind of system do we have that makes it more painfully difficult for a man of his character to run than one of lesser character to do so?
Dana (4eca6e) — 5/22/2011 @ 2:00 pmVic likes ballz in his mouth. You really are kind of pathetic, Yelverton. Racist hilljack.
JD (29e1cd) — 5/22/2011 @ 2:05 pmhard rock*
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 2:06 pmWell Dana, cads always seem to be able to look out for their own interests pretty well, and the interest of a politician is to get elected.
So it’s much easier for someone like Billy Jeff Clinton to utterly humiliate his wife publicly, as well as himself, than for someone to do the right thing.
Look at the whole recent thing with Schwarzenegger. I reject the explanation I’ve heard that Maria knew all about it, but wanted to be the first lady of CA; that’s cynical and ridiculous, and part of what makes Ahhhnulds pecadillo so much more disgusting.
Not only did he have a “love child” that was essentially raised under his wife’s nose, but when allegations surfaced of him being “a playah”, he had the audacity to trot her out to defend him!
Bob Reed (5f2db5) — 5/22/2011 @ 2:08 pmI see your point, but i’m just entertaining the prospect. I see no problem with ironing out that particular problem, if it hasn’t already been addressed.
The status quo has the same problems, and we worked those out to some extent. I actually think it wouldn’t be that hard to keep this from directly impacting food prices. Indirectly, similar to present taxation, sure, there would be some impact.
There are a lot of good arguments in its favor, too, but I don’t want to spend too much time off topic.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 2:39 pmDaniels is easily the most conservative and accomplished of those four. No contest whatsoever.
He’s simply results oriented rather than into crowd pleasing. He treats Americans like adults, and simply says ‘the debt is an existential crisis, and we can and must fix it now’. No drama. To some extent, in today’s world, someone like that has no chance. We’d eat Abraham Lincoln and George Washington alive. Some call real men ‘pussified’ for honoring their family above their career aspirations.
If those other three were capable of greatness, where in the hell is that greatness? Daniels has accomplished things. Taken on public sector unions before we’d even heard of those others. Taken on democrat deficits and regulation of business.
But yes, in some very real way, Daniels is not capable of being The One or Great on tv. He’s not going to have foam columns and self serving nonsense. I think he was naive enough to think this country was capable of looking at his record, but from the lies told about him, from ‘mandate’ to ‘vat’, I think he clearly was wrong. This guy was only great in results. Not self promotion.
This is a great day for Indiana, since he’s running their state so well, turning it around from recession.
A great day for conservatives? Only those who knew they couldn’t measure up. The bar for nomination just got much lower.
Anyway, this is simply a difference of opinion about what we want. I don’t want a Great President. I want real, ready leadership. There is a real chance that our nominee for President will have less executive experience than Obama has today.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 2:49 pmNone of this matters.
We’re all glad you love and trust Fox News:
FOX News Poll
Obama Approval
5/15 – 5/17
55 – Approve
41 – Disapprove
+14
Game over
Vic (68b7a6) — 5/22/2011 @ 2:53 pmComment by Vic — 5/22/2011 @ 1:36 pm
Obviously, Vic and the other “teabaggers” will not vote for Herman Cain,
TEA Party’ers, on the other hand, most assuredly will.
Daniels is easily the most conservative and accomplished of those four. No contest whatsoever.
Accomplished? Yes!
AD-RtR/OS! (4712dd) — 5/22/2011 @ 2:58 pmConservative? That remains to be seen as he has, in the past, taken positions that were more “Bush Big Government”, than “Reagan Conservative”!
Dustin – the greatness lies in daring. Daniels is a very, very, fine governor. But, if he had not been able to sell the lease of the Indiana Toll Road, he would not be seen by the vast middle as effective.
The three I mentioned dare to speak very basic truths, economically AND socially. They mean to change the questions, as Reagan did. He was told, in 1976 and in 1980 that to speak grand conservative truths was to invite political death. Ronaldus Maximus laughed and said that to not speak them was civic death. Thatcher, too.
Daniels does not have that in him. When the Dems fled Indiana as the cowards in Wisconsin did, Daniels took a facilitation tack. He had control of the entire government and he chose conciliation with a toad named B. Patrick Bauer – the Harry Reid of Indiana.
We have an unprecedented chance to fundamentally alter the polity and society. Timidity will not serve us.
Ed from SFV (cf17f9) — 5/22/2011 @ 3:03 pmThanks AD.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 3:15 pmVic is willie the racist hilljack. We are worse off having had Daniels pushed out. This was an own goal.
JD (b98cae) — 5/22/2011 @ 3:26 pmDaniels did what Walker did 4 years before Walker, Ed. The idea that he was conciliatory, is wrong. Did he go as far as you wanted? Apparently not. But to accuse him of timidity and appeasement and the like is flat out wrong. Given the friendly fire he has taken, the douchebaggery from hotair on the “truce”, and the rest, no wonder he had a serious person say no thanks.
JD (b98cae) — 5/22/2011 @ 3:35 pmShorter JD: Exposing Daniel’s spinelessness is douschebaggery.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 3:52 pmVic is killing Gaia with his boats, SUV and wood burning stoves. Typical progtard racist.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/22/2011 @ 4:00 pmVic is killing gaia with his posts here.
We must bid him adieu.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 4:09 pmNobody2012
Jones (e48b3e) — 5/22/2011 @ 4:48 pmnow accepting contributions
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Obviously, Vic and the other “teabaggers” will not vote for Herman Cain
Yep, and which in this instance the latter noun is the one applied to the sexual activity of people who, surveys indicate, are 80-plus percent of the left.
Speaking of self-destructive, mindless leftist sentiment plaguing a community, if that could be adjusted so that 90-plus percent (again, based on polling data through the years) of black America instead shared the ideology of Herman Cain, I bet a lot of liberals would lose their manipulative ardor for diversity and civil rights.
“Back to the bus!!,” white liberals would shout. “Uncle Tom, sell-out, traitor!!,” black liberals would sneer.
More importantly, if common sense started to reign in 90-plus percent of the African-American community, that part of society would really start to gain an amazing degree of socio-economic equilibrium and momentum.
Mark (3e3a7c) — 5/22/2011 @ 5:15 pmCain is owed some for his role back in ’94, after Harry and Louise, and Betsy McCaughey, he helped slay Hillarycare, his line about ‘right of return’
ian cormac (72470d) — 5/22/2011 @ 5:23 pmand the failure to enunciate a policy on Afghanistan is concerning, however,
Ah yes saying good riddance to daniels is deranged hatred.
Sorry but you daniels worshippers are gonna have to grow a thicker skin.
Comment by DohBiden — 5/22/2011 @ 12:39 pm
Oh please. I am not a worshiper of anyone but God, I just happen to be a Hoosier. Daniels has been a good Governor. Unlike some people, most Daniels supporters are not really cult material.
Terrye (3d4bc9) — 5/22/2011 @ 5:27 pmDaniels was being set-up as the designated ringer, put in the mix to divide conservative and TEA Party voters and pave the way for the establishment’s favored candidate.
Daniels didn’t take the bait, he kept his wits about him, and he made the right call. That’s commendable.
Comment by ropelight — 5/22/2011 @ 1:39 pm
Daniels actually had a lot in common with Tea Party people. The problem is that some people seem to think that competent with a good record=establishment..and that is not a good thing. We need competent people with good records.
Terrye (3d4bc9) — 5/22/2011 @ 5:30 pmHe’s been a decent governor, I disagree with his point of view on somethings, but it’s not because of something as petty as tone of voice, but what
ian cormac (72470d) — 5/22/2011 @ 5:32 pmcould be gauged about his policies. It’s a shamesomething that could be regarded as a credit, like keeping his family together, keeps him out of the race.
Daniels is easily the most conservative and accomplished of those four. No contest whatsoever.
He’s simply results oriented rather than into crowd pleasing. He treats Americans like adults, and simply says ‘the debt is an existential crisis, and we can and must fix it now’. No drama. To some extent, in today’s world, someone like that has no chance. We’d eat Abraham Lincoln and George Washington alive. Some call real men ‘pussified’ for honoring their family above their career aspirations.
If those other three were capable of greatness, where in the hell is that greatness? Daniels has accomplished things. Taken on public sector unions before we’d even heard of those others. Taken on democrat deficits and regulation of business.
But yes, in some very real way, Daniels is not capable of being The One or Great on tv. He’s not going to have foam columns and self serving nonsense. I think he was naive enough to think this country was capable of looking at his record, but from the lies told about him, from ‘mandate’ to ‘vat’, I think he clearly was wrong. This guy was only great in results. Not self promotion.
This is a great day for Indiana, since he’s running their state so well, turning it around from recession.
A great day for conservatives? Only those who knew they couldn’t measure up. The bar for nomination just got much lower.
Anyway, this is simply a difference of opinion about what we want. I don’t want a Great President. I want real, ready leadership. There is a real chance that our nominee for President will have less executive experience than Obama has today.
Comment by Dustin — 5/22/2011 @ 2:49 pm
Absolutely true.
Terrye (3d4bc9) — 5/22/2011 @ 5:36 pmOn the contrary, someone who would expose his/her spouse to this sort of ordeal without their consent can’t be trusted to treat America any better.
Exactly. And that’s one of the things that makes her so suitable for the office should she and her family decide to go ahead.
True. But quite beside that, can you imagine the disaster of a campaign to which the candidate’s spouse is not committed? Imagine the worst: that the spouse decides mid-campaign that s/he can’t take it any more, and leaves! Goodbye candidacy. You’ve just handed the election to the other side.
Milhouse (17ca46) — 5/22/2011 @ 5:50 pmOne of the better parts of the rise of the tea party is finding out that apparently right wingers think teabagging is only done by gay people.
Bruuuce (f22ca9) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:04 pmyes that is awesome
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:05 pmImari wit is very agitated. What has caused this moronic convergence of multiple time banned trolls?
JD (318f81) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:06 pmImari? Iamadimwit is very agitated. What has caused this moronic convergence of multiple time banned trolls?
JD (318f81) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:07 pmhah hah
16 stitches
Maybe his attorney can get his felony domestic violence beef down to a misdemeanor now.
Thank god mitch had the cojones to take the “door” off the forehead and didn’t flintch
SteveG (cc5dc9) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:11 pmok flinch
SteveG (cc5dc9) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:11 pmThat is really remarkably craven of you.
JD (318f81) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:12 pmJD expresses something I was trying to.
Daniels took a ton of friendly fire. A TON. The Tea Party absolutely failed, on an individual level, to look at this guy, see what he had been doing, and realize he was as worthy of their support as Walker, and more than Christie or Walker (And I really do like Christie, Walker, and Palin).
When he’s taking that much flack from his own closest ideological brethren, he knows he would really be in for it once things heated up.
If we don’t have the back of conservative governors and leaders, if we perceive the slightest problem, such as this ‘establishment’ aspect, then we can’t very well expect them to survive in that environment. We need to cultivate another 20 Daniels class Governors. I think there are maybe five states that wouldn’t benefit much from replacing their governor with a clone of Daniels.
I wish Daniels was really what the establishment were all about. The truth is that our establishment can only aspire to power for its own sake, and they happened to latch onto a good guy this time.
Anyway, I’m not giving up on beating Obama. I just suspect I won’t be voting for anything. I’ll be voting against Obama rather than voting for my idea of a presidential ticket, ready to handle the disaster we’re in.
I get the argument, I think from Ian, that Daniels fans need thicker skin. Sure… I should have expected the cynical process to eat him alive as soon as he started treating Americans like adults and even waxing about his love story. It’s a miracle a guy who plainly isn’t much of a politician had a chance to be a governor. Apparently the people in Indiana are a cut above.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:30 pmThe GOP field is only weak because every one keeps saying so.
I mean, for goodness sake, we have a rookie, less than one-term senator and community organizer as president now. He is the epitome of the old saw that anyone can be elected.
I know city council and school board members more qualified than our CIC.
Thinking that any GOP candidate is unelectable or not ready for the job is, well, silly.
I can’t think of a single one not more prepared or ready compared to our current dear leader. OK, maybe one, but seriously, can anyone be worse.
Besides, Carter.
Ag80 (1bc637) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:30 pmIt’s weak because Romney is a dirty Romneycare flitterpansy and Pawlenty is a dweeb with a Minnesota nice hardon for forcing gay soldiers into the closet.
That’s the whole field at the moment.
Weak is generous.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:35 pmwe all need a toke off whatever Hugh Hewitt’s smoking
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:40 pmDaniels appointed a judge who does not believe in the constitution….I swear his apologists need to grow a pair and admit he is not a conservative.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:41 pmWhat’s interesting about this is that the difference between that, and all that plus 4 years as US President, is practically infinite.
He also has more corruption in the system, more time to prepare (I don’t think he even expected to be nominated in 2008), and more cronies relying desperately on him retaining power.
Our nominee in 2012 needs to be much stronger than John Mccain was. I realize that Obama has screwed up an awful lot, but his polls haven’t sank enough as a result. 2010 is an indication that strong candidates… Rubios and the like, can convince Americans to give the GOP another chance. But what have we done with that chance? As a party brand, we’re weak unless we accomplish some major cuts (And I think the democrats are smart enough to see that, and try to hold out).
Obama will not be running in 2012 as the inexperienced empty suit. We missed our chance to hit him hard enough on this. Is he a complete failure as president? Well sure, but he’ll have a billion dollars to lie with.
Here, let me illustrate how I feel.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:42 pmI want the socialist and his cronies thrown out of office in 2012………..if that makes me a fascist tan so be it.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:44 pmThat’s a pretty silly metric. Ronald Reagan appointed a lot of judges who completely fail at upholding the constitution. You need to grow a pair and admit that rhetoric was dishonest, and it probably is part of the reason it’s just not possible for a real conservative with any degree of experience to survive.
Think about why Obama was the democrat nominee. It’s because he had no experience. He voted present as often as he possibly could. He never appointed anyone to anything. None of his calls went wrong because he made no calls at all.
Daniels has been governor for many years, made many calls, and the best you’ve got is a decision he didn’t even directly make. Clearly his faith was misplaced, but then, I disagree with the decision of Robert and Alito in the recent toilet flush = no 4th amendment rights case. Is Dubya not conservative (of course, many would say that he isn’t, though relatively, he earned some degree of support).
Bad metric.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:45 pmthan*
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:46 pmSo, what you all are saying is there is no one with the cojones to take on a simpleton because he makes a rather small minority have wet dreams about a government-controlled society?
C’mon, there are women tired of this educated elitist and willing to say so.
Pissing on his potential opponents is counter-productive at this point. Let’s see who rises to the top.
Ag80 (1bc637) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:54 pmDid he get permission from his wife to surrender his presidental run?
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 8:59 pmYeah, we’ve seen was lame friendly fire does. Hell, even a solidly conservative and quite successful governor can’t avoid endless BS flack nitpicking for any hint of imperfection. It seems a bit insincere too, unless Dohbiden is going to tell me Ronald Reagen doesn’t measure up.
But there’s more to this than just whining and pissing on the remaining potential candidates. Some are mad they aren’t getting what they want, but I really just want to make sure our nominee is up to the job of President. Obama’s proof we must not elect someone who isn’t ready for the job. Some of his failure is ideological, but some of it is that he doesn’t know what he’s doing.
There’s the other point about whether they are electable, but I think perhaps I can ease off that to some extent. The election will be a referendum on Obama unless our nominee is particularly bad.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:00 pmI meant we’ve seen what lame friendly fire does.
Well, Palin hasn’t gotten permission from hers to run yet, either. When she does, will you mock her for waiting for it? Milhouse is absolutely right that we can’t trust a President to handle the tremendous ethical temptations he will face unless he or she is a good person. And people who don’t care about their family are not good enough for the office.
Even Obama probably passes this test. Daniels is gone, so I don’t really understand your interest in making cheap shots at him anyway. He’s a good guy, who has done more for the conservative cause than anyone in this thread or the GOP’s 2012 nominee for president has.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:03 pmRomney was roundly rejected by Team R voters in 2008 cause in favor of a cowardly douche. Now we’re all supposed to rally behind the Romneycare pansy and if you don’t like it that’s ok feel free to vote for the douchey bigot from Minnesota?
I vote we all go get tasty vegan pancakes on election day for reals. I missed em last time cause of I went and voted for that Fiorina loser. I got a sticker!
But still that was a huge waste of my time.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:03 pm
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:04 pmcausein favorPalin will run for president and her husband better not hold her back.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:04 pmTasty vegan pancakes.
Oxymoron.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:05 pmOf course, it’s fair for her children to. Just as it would be silly to pretend Daniels was only worried about his wife, since he has a larger family, and anyone familiar with him knows that he goes out of his way for his daughters.
Most of these people aren’t Meghan Mccain and won’t try to jump into the hell and muck of politics. I wouldn’t want to put my family through it. Anyway, Todd Palin doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy to be afraid of that problem, and he certainly isn’t going to hold Sarah Palin back. I think Sarah’s comments about worrying about her family, and considering them when making her decision about running is entirely based on concern for Trig, Tripp, and Bristol.
It would be awesome if we could stop bashing the spouses and children of politicians, though.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:09 pmPalin is irrelevant except for drawing out the misery of the embarrassing and enfeebling Team R primary “process” – her negatives are higher than Lindsey Lohan’s. Hoochie has had over two freaking years to make herself likeable and she’s utterly failed in this quest in spite of having a reality show what was designed to make her look likeable and appearing on a news network what pretends to take her seriously really quite frequently and never asks her challenging questions.
And it bears noting that the people of America had the chance already to place Palin a cowardly douche heartbeat away from the presidency and they said thanks but no thanks we’d rather have Daddy Soros’s dismal f-puppet.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:11 pmHow about we rally around somebody who likes tasty pancakes that likes the country and its hard-working people who is not a dirty socialist.
Ag80 (1bc637) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:12 pmCrappyfeet your the hootchie.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:12 pm*Lindsay*
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:13 pmDaniels is a pancake fiend – that’s part of why his abandonment of our little country is so horrific.
He was the real deal.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:14 pmI’ll rally behind beating Obama. I don’t have it in me to fake it. I did that in 2008. I like Palin and Cain a lot. I dislike most of the other contenders, but I’ll vote for them anyway.
Don’t be surprised if a lot of Republicans feel that way. Since November 2010, it hasn’t been good.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:18 pmI did that in 2008 too and something inside me died.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:19 pmI heard Mitch Daniels once stole a lollipop from a baby and laughed about it? Are these rumors true.
/Heh
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:20 pmThis is me taking Palin seriously as a candidate for the office of President of the United States.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:21 pmThis is me taking you seriously about anything.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:22 pmokeydoke so now I got that out of my system
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:22 pmMr. Biden how is that a kind thing to say I ask you
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:23 pmNot my fault if you have thin skin.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:23 pmAnother thought I’m having is that this will be one of the longest and hardest political campaigns in history.
Was Daniels up for it? Dana’s point about his family values might mean he isn’t, which disgusts me as a patriot.
But Daniels is done. I’m tired of talking about him, and it’s time to stop bashing the poor guy, too.
Romney is ready for the long campaign. He’s nothing if not a politician. But I can’t support him. I’ll vote for him, but … ugh.
Cain really isn’t ready. Palin probably isn’t ready, though we’ll see for sure soon. Is Perry ready?
I think Ryan and Christie could handle it, but they aren’t going to try.
I think if Obama were really so weak, some of these smarter, readier guys would be more interested.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:25 pmRomney is ready for the long campaign.
speaking of tasty dips what you can eat with flatbread… this is very very tasty and very very not bad for you too
it goes by the lame name of “Turkish Dip” but it’s mostly red peppers and onions and tomatoes and such.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:29 pmWith respect, Dustin, he only got a 1,000, of she’s been through, her church burned, hung in effigy, nearly driven to bankruptcy, vile allegations about her son, and her oldest daughters, accusations of inciting an assasination, this is before she declares, if she declares, her faith in simple justice, in the integrity of the system, has been tested more than anyone can know. I excused Daniels for his decision, but I don’t see them remotely in the same shoes. And another thing, we know Obama’s history, we know the truth, the law, the very well being of our fighting men and women’s families are no object, to his objectives,so don’t pretend whatever milquetoast blow dried manque, will not falter, The goal she outlined
ian cormac (72470d) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:35 pmyesterday,
That sounds really good, Happyfeet.
I heard Daniels once ground up some orphans and called it ‘Death Panel Dip’. And then, his grandma bit him.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:36 pmian, no doubt, Palin’s faced much more than really anyone I can think of. Perhaps Bush has taken more flack in the general sense, but he had better support.
I don’t fault Palin at all for her concerns, btw. Nor do I fault her for resigning, which was the best decision for Alaska.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:37 pmit is I really enjoy my kosher grocery store – what’s funny about it is the stuff it carries that you can get anywhere is too expensive but the stuff you can only find there is really reasonable
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:40 pmIt’s true, the list is so long that I forgot all about that government shutdown = no salary for the troops BS.
Obama is the worst president in American history. Carter seems worse because those times were harder, but Obama is actually worse as a leader.
I hope America sees it. I know a lot of Americans don’t. But one big point you’re probably thinking is that we need a fighter who will be relentless in hounding Obama on the facts. Daniels didn’t show that trait much lately. I thought he had it, and was waiting for the right time, but this is just my assumption. I know Palin has that in her. I know Rick Perry does, too.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:41 pm_____________________________________
I’d say few to no public figures are lacking in the ego department, so that can easily trip up any one of them up.
Trump is the epitome of the swelled-head syndrome on the right (or quasi-right), Bill/Hillary and I-I-I-I Obama are the epitome of that on the left.
Palin, with things like her reality TV show, seems pretty ego-centric in her own right. That will be a problem if she is oblivious to the reality that, like it or not, she’s vulnerable to thumbs down from a good percentage of the public.
She could end up like a version of Carolyn Kennedy, whose ego got the better of her not long ago. Namely, after decades of keeping an honorable low profile (thanks in part to the influence of her mother), Kennedy-Schlossberg fell for the notion she deserved to run for the Senate seat of New York—around the time her marriage was falling apart, no less. And, with her uh-um-uh-er-um-uh speech mannerisms, the rest is history.
Mark (3e3a7c) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:43 pmNo Dustin actually Mitch Daniels and his wife kidnapped Dominique Strauss Khan and proceeded to torture him by waterboarding him.
Nice to know thinkprogress thinks torture is wrong……….Not
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:44 pmSarah’s Deli and Pars are the two places I rely on for this sort of food (in Austin). Pars has my favorite restaurant in town. For some reason, their ‘American’ food is totally uncompetitive. I have no idea if the other stuff is priced better, but I see you are like me in assuming it’s a steal.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:44 pmThe lefty national socialists will stop at nothing to trash palin.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:48 pmI don’t know, was Gillebrand really any better, she sold out her principles and the drop of a hat, to
ian cormac (72470d) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:52 pmbe Schumer and Reid’s lapdog, Recall before this Senate thing, fell in to her hands, was part of the selection committee that picked Biden.
Those stitches in his head were from mother gaia for denying gorebull warming 😆
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/22/2011 @ 9:59 pmThings I like about him, things I don’t. Was concerned he wouldn’t fight for the ticket, which unfortunately will be absolutely critical. Nasty media storm on the way, best he and his family saw the light. Soros is buried in so many news sources, the left will top its own audaciousness from last time. A billion freakin dollars. (Think of the children.)
We do have a fighter, ready to run or not. That fighter will make sure his record stays front and center with no room for distractions. Hopefully we can change the path this country is on. It’s going to be a fight to get this filth out of the whitehouse.
Vermont Neighbor (ae55d7) — 5/23/2011 @ 3:51 amWow, feets, we’ll make a Jew of you yet! Well, OK, maybe not, but why the sudden interest in Jewish brands? First the Shibolim choc-rice chips, and now “Turkish salad/dip”?
Milhouse (2f1e1b) — 5/23/2011 @ 4:40 amWell, any kosher meat product is going to be way more than you’re used to paying. That’s just the nature of the thing. And it’ll taste different because of the salt. Kosher poultry tastes better, I understand, because brining is good for that, but for beef perhaps not so much.
Milhouse (2f1e1b) — 5/23/2011 @ 4:54 amoh hey btw the Cambridge Farms has the choc-rice chips for $2, which is fair I think … it’s mostly just I have this awesome store sorta close by so I just keep trying new stuff
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/23/2011 @ 5:59 amLike kosher products? Try the Chosen Beers from Shmaltz Brewing: He’Brew, Genesis Ale, or Missiah Bold. L’Chaim!
ropelight (5b57b9) — 5/23/2011 @ 6:33 amno I don’t like kosher per se I just like stuff what’s tasty – I have a halal store I can walk to but they have funny hours
I’m thinking I can maybe support Pawlenty, or at least vote for him. I doubt he can beat bumble though. I liked his video today kind of. I liked that he didn’t sound perky or chirpy. It was an obvious appeal Daniels supporters.
And that’s probably as good as it gets in failsh*t America in the year of our lord 2011.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/23/2011 @ 7:16 amWill 2012 by a mirror image of 1992?
AD-RtR/OS! (d89649) — 5/23/2011 @ 7:26 amDoes the GOP have a WJC (meaning someone who has the determination to run and win against a sitting president perceived as unbeatable)?
that wasn’t determination per se that was mostly America’s dirty socialist ABC NPR Newsweek media carrying Arkie trash water
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/23/2011 @ 7:30 amappeal *to* Daniels supporters – meaning pandering of course; this is who Pawlenty is. He was a big Meghan’s coward daddy whore in 2008 you know, which speaks volumes about how phony the Pawlenty 2012 incarnation is. At heart he’s a cowardly panderer not very much unlike Romney but for his ability not to seem nearly as desperate and frantic as poor ickle Romneykins.
A cowardly panderer is very much the sort of man America looks to today for leadership. But we already have the gold standard in place.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/23/2011 @ 8:20 amYeah, that’s a good price for them. If they were that cheap here in Brooklyn I’d buy more of them than I already do.
Milhouse (9ef3cc) — 5/23/2011 @ 2:03 pmI am not well informed on Pawlenty and I’m not going to worry about it. His comments about ethanol are impressive, but already the same little whispers that I saw about daniels are hitting him. Probably from the same people, too.
We need to figure out who is pushing this astroturf, and simply delete them from the ballot. And I’m completely serious. Basically, no conservative has a chance of getting the nomination because they rely on voters who can be easily convinced they are phoneys. That leaves the nomination preserved for the Mccains and Romneys, who don’t rely on voters who are susceptible to principles.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/23/2011 @ 2:06 pmI am processing this Mr. Pawlenty. We have two choices, no? We have the Pawlenty choice and we have the ickle Romneykins choice and inasmuch as I would get a kick out of watching Romney flush a boat-load of money down the toilet Whitman-style, I wonder but that I might could find it in myself to support this Mr. Pawlenty to some degree of which I am yet uncertain.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 5/23/2011 @ 2:11 pmAnd then we have Palin, Cain, and perhaps Perry.
Milhouse (9ef3cc) — 5/23/2011 @ 6:21 pmThat just doesn’t ring true coming from a former cap n trade whore. I think the takeaway – apart from his obviously say-whatever-it-takes pandering whorishness – is his instinct for incrementalism – slow and gradual – that’s the ticket… No sudden moves. This from the squeeter what wanted to slap take on hapless carbon dioxide molecules?
Pull the other one.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/23/2011 @ 8:52 pmcrap stupid phone rang when I was commenting
slap *huge taxes* on hapless carbon dioxide molecules that was supposed to be
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/23/2011 @ 8:53 pmHuh? WTF are you on? Why would he have a DV “beef”? If there’s some subtle joke here I’m not getting it.
Milhouse (9ef3cc) — 5/23/2011 @ 8:58 pmjeeze
Pawlenty is NOT the real deal unless the real deal is a prostrate whore I think.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/23/2011 @ 9:13 pm