Does This Sound Like a Governor With No Aspirations Towards Higher Office?
Gov. Rick Perry today issued the following statement regarding President Barack Obama’s speech on the Middle East:
“President Obama’s speech today continues a misguided policy of alienating our traditional allies, in this case Israel, one of our strongest partners in the war on terror. As someone who has visited Israel numerous times, I know that it is impracticable to revert to the 1967 lines. President Obama is asking our Israeli friends to give up too much security and territory as a prelude to a renewed peace process.”
Does the Governor of Iowa talk that way?
perry has been doing this sort of thing for a while now, nationalizing his issues.
Aaron Worthing (73a7ea) — 5/19/2011 @ 7:01 pmYeah, it’s pretty clear they are sending out some blatant feelers before potential supporters are invested in competitors.
Here’s what Rick Perry needs to do to have a shot at my vote: handle a hostile interview of wide scope. My real concern is that he tends to do a good job controlling who he talks to and when he answers questions. I need to know he’s ready for the tough contest he’s preparing for.
Also, I’m really tired of picking people based mainly on my opposition to Barack Obama. I’m really just voting in the primary based on which one is the most effective path to removing Obama. It’s been that way for a long time. The only Republicans I know who really believe in their candidate are Ron Paul supporters (I am not one).
Frankly, that’s part of why Obama won in 2008. People weren’t just voting against Mccain, but for Obama (albeit, Obama largely lied about his agenda).
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/19/2011 @ 7:14 pmIt really takes very little effort to note how horribly wrong Barcky is in treating our actual allies. 1967 borders?! I hope Bibi puts The One is his place tonight.
JD (29e1cd) — 5/19/2011 @ 7:14 pmYeah, JD. It’s really quite extreme, and it obviously establishes a narrative that Israel is going to have a difficult time winning.
They have given territory before. It leads to more attacks. Why does Israel have to keep giving up territory? Every time, just to get the other side to agree to… what? Nothing concrete.
Time and time again, Obama makes a point of showing that it doesn’t pay to be a friend of the USA.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/19/2011 @ 7:18 pmUnfortunately Bibi sold out years ago. I have no confidence in him.
Milhouse (a8afa6) — 5/19/2011 @ 7:28 pmDustin – I just hope that pur ostensible allies realize that Teh One is most assuredly not taking the side of our actual ally, Israel. He makes demands of Israel, and promises to the Palis. Sadly, the MFM will let him get away with it.
JD (0d01eb) — 5/19/2011 @ 7:34 pmBTW – that dunk by Durant was effin sick. His head was above the rim. Sick.
JD (0d01eb) — 5/19/2011 @ 7:35 pmhttp://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/05/daniels-endorsed-form-individual-mandate-2003-according-local-new
ian cormac (72470d) — 5/19/2011 @ 7:38 pmIt’s unsurprising that we’re finding people on the right that endorsed key features of the PPACA. It’s basic structure is the GOP response to democratic proposals in the 90’s.
Bruuuuce (e035aa) — 5/19/2011 @ 7:43 pmQuestion: if Perry is contemplating a run at the White House, why did he let his two top campaign gurus go to work for Newt?
retire05 (2d538e) — 5/19/2011 @ 7:44 pmI think that link, particularly the update, is pretty fair to Daniels.
It’s true that the claim he supported a mandate would be a big defect, and that it’s really clear that he supported one yet. If it’s true, we should be able to find more than just that article (lacking much in the way of a quotation).
A whole lot of people, particularly Romney I believe, are vetting candidates like Daniels, and I have no problem with it so long as it’s honest.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/19/2011 @ 7:48 pmI saw somewhere that Obama could not even show up on time for his speech. Extraordinary arrogance.
SPQR (26be8b) — 5/19/2011 @ 7:50 pmMaybe he needed to replace them with heavier guns? Or perhaps he changed his mind.
If Perry is even close to a sane, normal person, he doesn’t want to ruin his life just to be the next president, but is frustrated that the GOP is soft. Perhaps I’m giving him too much credit.
You mean Obamacare, right? OBAMA care. It’s OBAMA’s fault if it sucks. The Democrat party owns it. It’s not just some indecipherable acronym. It’s not bipartisan at all, either, rammed through in the dead of night even.
You seem concerned with making sure Republicans are held responsible for it, and that it not be called Obamacare, by far the most common term for it. I don’t blame you. It’s a disaster.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/19/2011 @ 7:52 pmThe difference is that totality of this bill, is designed to collapse the private health insurance system, as Obama promised 10 years ago, because
ian cormac (72470d) — 5/19/2011 @ 7:55 pmhe knew you couldn’t get to single payer in one step, it’s like viral code, the others really intended to solve a problem.
I don’t think the country is ready for another Texan who tells the truth.
Everyone is much happier with lying northerners.
Ag80 (867d1b) — 5/19/2011 @ 7:58 pmer, I meant NOT really clear.
I don’t know exactly what his 2003 position was, but I think we’ll find out.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/19/2011 @ 7:59 pmDistin – don’t let Klein distort and lie to establish a narrative.
JD (0d01eb) — 5/19/2011 @ 8:01 pm“Texas is a unique place. When we came into the union in 1845, one of the issues was that we would be able to leave if we decided to do that,” Perry said. “My hope is that America and Washington in particular pays attention. We’ve got a great union. There’s absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, who knows what may come of that.”– Rick Perry, Governor of Texas. [Texas v White, a U.S. Supreme Court case decided in 1869, said Texas cannot secede.]– source, chron.com
Does This Sound Like a Governor With No Aspirations Towards Higher Office?
Yes.
Still, if Perry’s fool enough to let the party shove him under…- that is, into a run for President of the United States of America (not the CSA, Rick, the USA,) a campaign appearence in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania the first week of July, 2012 would be most entertaining. The big question is will he wear the grey suit, the blue suit or just surrender to the heat and sweat it out in a white shirt. Maybe he’ll let his wife “Pickett.”
DCSCA (9d1bb3) — 5/19/2011 @ 8:17 pmBwuuuuuuuuuuucie – are you too much of a coward to admit what other names you have commented under?
IMP – Do you ever tire of embarrassing yourself? Never mind.
JD (0d01eb) — 5/19/2011 @ 8:21 pmI a lot believe in Mitch Daniels. Him make America better place. Him clap the erasers, make stupid Americans focus on important issues.
I believe in my heart Mr. Mitch is the anti-Obama, not self-aggrandizing hair-do like Ricky Twangy Twang.
hf (928ad9) — 5/19/2011 @ 8:24 pmFair point. I’m pretty jaded. I like Daniels a lot, but I’m all too ready to learn he’s not what I was expecting.
Suffice it to say Klein’s article doesn’t prove anything about Daniels on a mandate, and that Daniels has suffered one BS meme after another lately.
I admit, the pre-update portion of that link isn’t fair.
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DCSCA, did you read the quote you dramatically bolded in its entirety? He notes that he doesn’t want secession, but that the way the democrats have handled much of the debates, especially in the run up to Obamacare, were extremely corrosive to the union.
Calling him a confederate is extremely dishonest. Good luck with that crap. Most people who read that quote are nodding their head.
Ramming through Obamacare when Americans were opposed to it was not a very democratic thing to do. That’s just one example. The lawlessness of this administration also is very corrosive to our country. We deserve a better government. That’s what Perry was saying.
Do you disagree with any part of that quote?
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/19/2011 @ 8:29 pmI deleted some Bruuuuce comments as he is a serial sock puppet.
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/19/2011 @ 8:32 pmI am so good 😉
JD (0d01eb) — 5/19/2011 @ 8:33 pmHe might be saying this with an eye to positioning himself for 2016….Depends on his estimate of who else is running and how beatable Obama actually is.
But he would help himself if he attacked the speech Obama actually made as opposed to the one the blogosphere wants people to think he made.
kishnevi (ef7425) — 5/19/2011 @ 8:34 pmWhat is your specific complaint, kishnevi?
JD (0d01eb) — 5/19/2011 @ 8:36 pmI read Obama’s speech. What a vacuous load of bland crap. He can push a lot of empty rhetoric around but he can’t actually say anything nor actually come up with a coherent statement of his own policy.
SPQR (26be8b) — 5/19/2011 @ 8:39 pmThe Atlantic defends Obama by saying he’s just voting present and this was always the USA’s policy, but that really isn’t the impression I got.
He’s telling Israel to do something, and then noting Palestinians should consider a few rhetorical things pretty pretty please.
And Perry notes Obama is continuing a misguided policy of alienating allies.
I’m really interested in what fact Rick Perry got wrong. I think he hit the nail on the head, and is saying that merely renewing a process is a pathetic return for investing territory.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/19/2011 @ 8:41 pm“nor actually come up with a coherent statement”
SPQR,
I think that’s the point. It’s much easier to defend something that is slippery and weasels around. But the tone is clear. Israel has to pay for the hope of security with territory. Terrorism works.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/19/2011 @ 8:44 pmJacobson points out, who Bush gave guarantees to Israel, that they wouldn’t return to the ’67 borders
ian cormac (72470d) — 5/19/2011 @ 8:46 pmIsrael should tell Obama to go get
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/19/2011 @ 9:05 pmI was thrown by ‘impracticable’
Turns out it is a word. I thought Perry was having a ‘subliminable’ moment, but I was wrong.
Oh, and I’d vote for Perry in a heartbeat.
Jones (4de0a0) — 5/19/2011 @ 9:21 pmAnd I believe Israel should never return to the 1967 borders. They won that territory fair and square. It’s Israel now.
If the rest of the arab world loves these palestinian savages so much, then they can take them in. But they won’t, because the palestinians are murderous thugs, and definitely more trouble then they’re worth. A pox on the lot of ’em.
Jones (4de0a0) — 5/19/2011 @ 9:25 pmhttp://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-05/20/c_13884173.htm
ian cormac (72470d) — 5/19/2011 @ 9:27 pmComment by Dustin — 5/19/2011 @ 8:41 pm
The point is, Obama really said the same thing every president has been saying for the last decade and probably more.
What Perry got wrong, is his characterization of what the 67 lines mean in Obama’s speech. Perry is implying that Israel should withdraw to the 1967 lines and then start negotiating. What Obama actually said is that once the actual borders have been established, Israel should be being a phased withdrawal. (Well, we’re doing phased withdrawal from Afghanistan right now in theory, aren’t we?) And those borders should be based on the 1967 lines, but with changes to be negotiated between the two sides before the Israels withdrew anything. And the Palestinian state would be demilitarized, meaning Israel could walk back in anytime it wanted to if it felt that step was necessary.
So it’s more like the Palestinians get territory once they’ve actually negotiated an agreement, and not the reverse.
Comment by SPQR — 5/19/2011 @ 8:39 pm
You now know why I don’t bother reading or listening to Obama’s speeches, not even the State of the Union.
BTW, can you tell me if he said anything of interest in the rest of the speech? Everyone seems to concentrating on the Israeli-Palestinian part, but there was actually more to it.
kishnevi (ef7425) — 5/19/2011 @ 9:32 pmI hope Bibi puts The One is his place tonight.”
Wow. ‘The One’ is still your president, yet you hope he is ‘put in his place’ by a foreign politician?
Like they say, dual loyalty would be an improvement.
stari_momak (d5f987) — 5/19/2011 @ 9:41 pmKish – how do you reconcile the demands placed on Israel, and the promises made to the Palis?
JD (306f5d) — 5/19/2011 @ 9:44 pm“Wow. ‘The One’ is still your president, yet you hope he is ‘put in his place’ by a foreign politician?”
stari_momak – Is Obama your president?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/19/2011 @ 9:47 pmThat claim is in serious dispute. Note many criticizing Bush for not calling for Israel to ever return to 1967 borders.
I think this is unfair. Is Israel being asked to agree, before negotiations, to the borders of Palestine? YES. Sure, there is the typical Obama BS about when something goes into effect, but Israel is right that they should negotiate the borders with Palestine, rather than starting negotiations after they have given up everything.
I think Perry is right, and I don’t think he implied exactly what you think he did, though I’m not even sure it matters. You will agree to pay me $100 over the next ten years before commenting again, at which time we can discuss this payment.
See?
Anyway, I think you have accurately expressed Obama’s speech, but I don’t agree with some of the good faith spin I’m detecting. This speech does establish a demand for Israel to give in to a Palestinian demand despite nothing being given up in return as of this day that the demand was made.
And despite the impracticality of this arrangement. Terrorism works.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/19/2011 @ 9:49 pmObama’s not my president personally I think he befarces the whole idea of a president. Maybe if we wait patiently we’ll get a for reals one someday?
It’s a nice dream.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/19/2011 @ 9:50 pm“stari_momak – Is Obama your president?”
Unfortunately yes.
stari_momak (d5f987) — 5/19/2011 @ 9:51 pmHe’s not a foreign politician, because we’re talking about ISRAEL. Obama is the foreign politician. Bibi is the Israeli. Why shouldn’t a fan of sovereignty for legitimate democracies want the leader of Israel to put Obama in his place for overstepping his role?
Once again, he doesn’t really do much for our friends, and does much for our enemies.
These Palestinians are cheering when innocent westerners die. Israel is mourning. I know this is a crude generalization, but it’s also the truth.
I want the USA to succeed, but I believe the best way for that to happen is for it to be a good thing to be our friend, instead of a good thing to be our enemies.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/19/2011 @ 9:52 pmAre they still teaching Modern Hebrew at the Defense Language Institute? They were in the mid 1990s when I was there, and not because of ‘exchange programs’ we had with Israel — but for the usual reason they teach languages there.
I remember in 2006 when Israel invaded Lebanon (again) and the US sent a task for to get American citizen Lebanese (many Arab Christians) out of the country. In an interview he said that he had the capability and the rules of engagement to take care of *any* threat to his forces and mission — you just knew he was thinking of Israel. As in, no more USS Liberty incidents.
I think very few people in the military, especially the Navy and the intel community, consider Israel an ‘ally’. At best an unreliable partner in one sided relationship.
stari_momak (d5f987) — 5/19/2011 @ 9:57 pm“Obama is the foreign politician.”
Are you a ‘birther’, Dustin?
And believe it or not, Israel is a *foreign* country. Unless you are Jewish, of course, then you can immigrate automatically.
stari_momak (d5f987) — 5/19/2011 @ 9:59 pmThat said, I don’t really care what the Israeli’s do or don’t do. Deport all Palestinians in the West Bank if you want.
I just don’t want to pay for it — financially or strategically. And I certainly don’t want to see our president — yes, he is our president — belittled by a foreigner. And maybe Jewish folks could stop being holier than thou; now they are a ‘normal’ people with land to protect, they act like everyone else, kicking out those not in their ethnic group and the like.
stari_momak (d5f987) — 5/19/2011 @ 10:04 pmDCSCA is
abusingamusing himself in public again.scarey_moleman is getting his Ron Paul on.
Icy Texan (0da8d6) — 5/19/2011 @ 10:21 pmHey, what’s happens to Isreal’s borders after the rapture? Aren’t there supposed to be, like, 144,000 righteous Jews left or something? Man, that’s not gonna be enough to kept the ‘rabs out.
stari_momak (d5f987) — 5/19/2011 @ 10:28 pmNo.
BTW, Ron Paul is a racist.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/19/2011 @ 10:41 pmNational Soros Radio adduces ickle Romneykins’ mormonism as the reason conservatives don’t trust him. They don’t even mention his demonstrable enthusiasm for using the state to jam dirty socialist health cares down people’s throats.
That seems like an odd analysis I think.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/19/2011 @ 10:41 pmNetanyahu sold out?
Are you confusing him for Ehud Olmert.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/19/2011 @ 10:43 pmSo why is it alright for the jew hating muslims to be creationists?
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/19/2011 @ 10:43 pmEveryone in Decorah talks that way.
Bill Maher (3ef32b) — 5/19/2011 @ 10:53 pmWhy is Obama spinning his POV as the USA’s longstanding view?
I wonder if Obama cares about breaking pledges made before he took office. Oh wait, I don’t wonder. He doesn’t.
Happyfeet, if we don’t nominate Cain, NPR will note that we’re not comfortable with black people. If not Palin, then we’re sexist. If not someone old, then we hate old people.
Every year the NPR is publicly funded is a year the GOP looks impotent in the face of ridiculous abuse of spending.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/19/2011 @ 10:55 pmFunny these same people call Ahmanutjob and the group he leads far-right when it is far-left.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/19/2011 @ 11:10 pmNot in the least. There’s hardly any difference between them. Don’t forget that it was Netanyahu who gave away Chevron, and promised the local Jews that at the first sign of shooting there’d be tanks to take it back and protect them; that didn’t happen. And it was Netanyahu who gave away the farm at the Wye Plantation. Netanyahu cooperated with Sharon’s Gaza expulsion plan right up to the last moment when he staged a so-called walkout just for show. It’s Netanyahu who’s been authorising expulsion of “unauthorised settlements”, it was he who imposed the building freeze, and it’s he who’s setting the ground for another mass expulsion. He has no business being Prime Minister; he’d do well as Foreign Minister, but he loves power more than principles.
Milhouse (a8afa6) — 5/20/2011 @ 4:25 amSorry, nobody can possibly believe that for a moment. That’s what the Oslo traitors said, when they signed that awful paper: “we can always take it back”. Yeah, right. Now everyone knows that Oslo is irreversible. Jenin was supposed to be demilitarised. Gaza is supposed to be demilitarised. Doesn’t work like that, does it? And once a “Palestinian” state is established as a sovereign nation, God forbid, what do you think would happen the moment Israel dared to send one soldier over the border, no matter for what reason? An international force, led by the USA, to resist this “aggression”, of course. The first Gulf war all over again.
Milhouse (a8afa6) — 5/20/2011 @ 4:30 amWell to be fair, Netanyahu went along with the Hebron ‘redeployment’ because Shas one of his coalition partners, demanded it. But it just goes to show, Bibi, agreed with the settlement freeze, yet he’s the intransigent one. You would probably
ian cormac (72470d) — 5/20/2011 @ 5:21 amhave qualms even if Lieberman were PM, not to mention someone from Moledet or Tehiya.
What?! That’s nonsense. Shas has been squishy on territory from time to time, but they’ve never demanded withdrawals! BTW, Techiya hasn’t existed since 1992. Those were the days.
Milhouse (a8afa6) — 5/20/2011 @ 6:07 amI talk that way too, hell all this time I been running for President and somehow I’m still the last to know about it.
ThePaganTemple (0e335c) — 5/20/2011 @ 6:12 amIf you ever go to Tel Aviv, have dinner at Orna and Ella Restaurant on trendy Sheinkin Street. Great food!
SPC Jack Klompus (c1922b) — 5/20/2011 @ 7:44 amGeez, one friendly fire mistake, we apologize, you never let us forget it.
What are you guys, Jews?
luagha (236e98) — 5/20/2011 @ 9:26 amWhat are you guys,jews?
Yes we are jooooooooooooooos and we are here to possess your TV.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/20/2011 @ 9:28 amI actually laughed at your comment.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/20/2011 @ 9:35 amBwuuuuucie is imdw and a handful of other names. Serial sockpuppet. Vile cretin. Maybe he could tell us all of the names he has used.
JD (b98cae) — 5/20/2011 @ 9:46 am“If you ever go to Tel Aviv, have dinner at Orna and Ella Restaurant on trendy Sheinkin Street. Great food!”
Have the bacon-wrapped scallops.
stari_momak (d5f987) — 5/20/2011 @ 9:58 amIf Bruuuuce is really imdw, then expect the anti-Jooooos tirade in 3, 2, 1 . . .
Icy Texan (ecd20f) — 5/20/2011 @ 10:07 am