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5/19/2011

A Very American Story

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:38 am



It’s a heartwarming story about a grown man who chooses to act like a baby. Literally.

Why, of course we’re paying disability money to this guy. What kind of heartless nation would we be if we didn’t?

I think my favorite quote is this, around 2:22:

To avoid public shaming, Stanley switches to adult mode when he leaves the house.

Yeah. Which worked pretty well . . . until you appeared on television sucking on a pacifier and wearing a diaper in a crib.

I also love the bit where the psychiatrist implicitly tells us that it’s our problem for thinking this dude is a weirdo.

Via Hot Air, we get Baby Stanley’s reaction to Tom Coburn’s suggestion that he doesn’t merit government disability money:

“Given that Mr. Thornton is able to determine what is appropriate attire and actions in public, drive himself to complete errands, design and custom-make baby furniture to support a 350-pound adult and run an Internet support group, it is possible that he has been improperly collecting disability benefits for a period of time,” Mr. Coburn wrote in a letter Monday to Inspector General Patrick P. O’Carroll Jr…

In an email response to The Washington Times, Mr. Thornton threatened to kill himself if his Social Security payments are taken away, and said the television episode showing him doing woodwork oversold his abilities.

“You wanna test how damn serious I am about leaving this world, screw with my check that pays for this apartment and food. Try it. See how serious I am. I don’t care,” the California man said. “I have no problem killing myself. Take away the last thing keeping me here, and see what happens. Next time you see me on the news, it will be me in a body bag.”…

I think government’s response should be along the lines of what Dennis Miller once said of capital punishment: at some point you have to thin the herd. I’m not suggesting that anyone kill themselves, but I am suggesting that a government with no money can’t be held hostage to someone who, while fat-bodied, is able-bodied and able to earn his own living.

I know, I know. I have a very cold heart.

If this guy didn’t exist, we’d have to make him up. He’s a walking metaphor for the whiny American citizenry crying for their handouts. Slap a “welfare recipient” label on him and a “U.S. Government” label on the nurse, take your screenshot, and your editorial cartoon is already drawn.

116 Responses to “A Very American Story”

  1. I watched a documentary movie once about this. It was called Wall-e.

    Gesundheit (d7ea47)

  2. sorry for posting too close to this one.

    but yeah, its an outrage.

    but it kind of reminds me of that scene in blazing saddles when the sheriff holds himself hostage…

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  3. Call his bluff.

    peedoffamerican (89d4c0)

  4. Wasn’t there an episode of CSI once about a “manbaby” like this? He, too, was a lard@ss, but at least he was independently wealthy and not living on the public dime.

    Get up, get out, and get a job, tubby.

    MWR (32e6a8)

  5. In a world where the IMF is run by a misogynistic socialist, potatoes are banned from school lunches, every other car is driven by someone texting on their cell phone, people are genuinely surprised when a Hollywood politician is caught with his pants down, the President brags that he was actually born in the US, $2M lottery winners are incredulous at the thought that he should give up food stamps, this takes the cake. A mighty big cake.

    dfbaskwill (c021f2)

  6. Another sign of the feminization of society.

    Sponge Bob Square Pants (fccc6f)

  7. Another sign of the feminization of society.

    Comment by Sponge Bob Square Pants — 5/19/2011 @ 8:12 am

    Keep in mind that “Sponge Bob Square Pants” (aka Torquemada, Javert, Obama uber Alles, etc.) spent last Friday night filling out contact forms with my email address so I would get nonsensical emails.

    Which is, like, totally masculine!

    Patterico (791867)

  8. Reminds me of that scene in Blazing Saddles:

    [the Johnsons load their guns and point them at Bart. Bart then points his own pistol at his head]
    Bart: [low voice] Hold it! Next man makes a move, the n—– gets it!
    Olson Johnson: Hold it, men. He’s not bluffing.
    Dr. Sam Johnson: Listen to him, men. He’s just crazy enough to do it!
    Bart: [low voice] Drop it! Or I swear I’ll blow this n—–‘s head all over this town!
    Bart: [high-pitched voice] Oh, lo’dy, lo’d, he’s desp’it! Do what he sayyyy, do what he sayyyy!
    [Townspeople drop their guns. Bart jams the gun into his neck and drags himself through the crowd towards the station]
    Harriet Johnson: Isn’t anybody going to help that poor man?
    Dr. Sam Johnson: Hush, Harriet! That’s a sure way to get him killed!
    Bart: [high-pitched voice] Oooh! He’p me, he’p me! Somebody he’p me! He’p me! He’p me! He’p me!
    Bart: [low voice] Shut up!
    [Bart places his hand over his own mouth, then drags himself through the door into his office]

    BobInFL (cdcb5e)

  9. Believe me when I tell you that my heart is growing colder every day. My first thought after reading about this man was that he was in serious violation of Michelle Obama’s obesity policy, a definate no-no in 2011 America. My second thought was to wonder where in the world we were going to find a body bag big enough?

    jakev (0c612d)

  10. SSI and SS Disability are rife with scams. The latest I heard about was mothers with dependent children putting them on medicine for hyperactivity, even when not needed, because then the child is “disabled.” Also, immigrants move their aging parents to their own apartment (usually subsidized by HUD) then collect SSI on them because you can’t claim it if they live with you.

    The Black Hole of SSI

    Patricia (b717c7)

  11. Talk about living your dreams.

    luagha (66245a)

  12. The CSI episode with the adult baby fetishist was a low point for the series. The AB’s nurse was basically his hostage. She had a child that AB managed to get custody over and immediately disposed of via adoption. AB then told the nurse she had to live in servitude if she wanted to see the kid again. AB’s nurse convinced him to take a running leap off a balcony while AB was on LSD.

    The part that really got me though was Grissom’s closing remarks. His support staff were expressing disgust at the AB’s bad acts and his fetish. Grissom points out that people live out fantasies by taking vacations in exotic places. This man was simply rich enough to take his vacation as a baby.

    WTH?!! The man in the story used blackmail and fraud to force a woman into slavery to serve his fantasy. The real life version here is also using blackmail and fraud to force taxpayers to maintain his fantasy. Ugh!

    bonhomme (1fc7ff)

  13. This man belongs in prison.

    This is fraud. I am confident that he claims to be unable to do this and that, and an analysis of his claims to the government do not meet well with reality. He ‘switches’ personas in public, and handles heavy materials and plans and builds items.

    I build furniture occasionally, and it’s not really that easy to do it well. If he’s got a crib supporting 350 pounds, he could work at McDonalds, or better yet, Home Depot.

    The man has defrauded his country, and we should make an example out of him. He should be placed on suicide watch in a jailcell now, at any rate.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  14. We should start referring to subsidized oil companies as “adult babies.”

    Bruuuuce (411830)

  15. Jail and fraud, yes.

    Suicide watch, no.

    Just keep our fingers crossed while introducing him to Baby Huey.

    Old Bob (21b5df)

  16. How did he qualify in the first place? And how did his “nurse” qualify to take care of him? The insane are running the asylum.

    I’m with peedoffamerican. Call his bluff.

    PatAZ (96c670)

  17. Old Bob, someone this pathetic lacks the balls to kill themselves. The suicide watch while he’s arrested for fraud is meant to show consequences for such threats. It’s basically terrorism, though I’m with you that he’s only threatening something no one really cares about.

    A court should deny him bail on the grounds that he threatened to kill himself. Is that legal? I’m no expert. Seems it’s just a twist on ‘flight risk’.

    I do assume that his claims to the government, in pursuit of his disability check, are incorrect. Hopefully there is a paper trail.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  18. Dude should claim he is a Muslim if he wants to keep his check. Then he could claim cutting him off would be religious persecution.

    Everybody knows how much the Obama Administration bends over backwards to avoid offending Muslims, even those who deserve offending.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  19. “Everybody knows how much the Obama Administration bends over backwards to avoid offending Muslims, even those who deserve offending.”

    The world must be a terrible place for you. I’m sorry.

    Bruuuuce (411830)

  20. Bwuuuuuuce – why do you hate oil companies, and BUNNIEs. Racists.

    JD (85b089)

  21. If there ever was a story that deserved the cry of … “Man Up” … this story does.

    Neo (95d77c)

  22. If he is successfully prosecuted for fraud, his criminal rehabilitation should include no less than one year in a minimum security boot camp facility. If he runs, his sentence resets back to one year (he doesn’t get sent to real jail where the inmates are coddled). My guess is that 365 consecutive DI wake-ups will knock the baby out of this douche for good.

    JR (646e8b)

  23. I’ve never understood why we go to great lengths to prevent prisoners from killing themselves. They may not deserve to die, but if they want to voluntarily relieve us of the burden they represent why look a gift horse in the mouth?

    Milhouse (888623)

  24. “my heart is growing colder every day. ”

    Mine went cold years ago, when I realized how many people I knew were getting disability, or trying to get on it. Here in flyover it ain’t a bad wage, either, especially if you have more off-books income. Plus you get Section 8 and even Medicare (at some point).

    And after someone’s been living like that a few years, they are petrified of getting back in the workforce, frozen in fear because they’ve been out of it so long.

    jeanne (5a5d33)

  25. He’s a walking metaphor for the whiny American citizenry crying for their handouts.

    No, he’s too much of an oddball to be a metaphor. Your view of the “American citizenry” is certainly something to be noted and remembered.

    angeleno (ec0b60)

  26. Waaaahhh. What a baby this guy is.

    Birdbath (19803d)

  27. Knock yourself off, @$$hole. No one gives a $#it, least of all ME.

    It takes a mean, petty little man to threaten to off himself unless WE do what he wants. But no one here should be playing his game.

    RIP, fat@ss.

    ironhorzmn (cb80d7)

  28. It would be fun to pour hot coals in his diapers while he’s wearing them.

    Birdbath (19803d)

  29. He’s going to put a lot of iodine in his bottle to kill himself.

    Birdbath (19803d)

  30. Your view of the “American citizenry” is certainly something to be noted and remembered.

    Comment by angeleno

    He didn’t say it was a metaphor for all citizens of America. he said it was a metaphor for citizens of America who are crying for handouts.

    You have a consistent problem understanding the point people are trying to make because you’re a partisan hack.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  31. Angeleno is an idiot.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  32. “The world must be a terrible place for you. I’m sorry.”

    Bruuuuce – Really. Really.

    That is incredibly lame based on an arguably factual statement. Can’t you do any better?

    You are never going to own the internet with this sorry ass game.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  33. It would make a cute video if he first built a double-wide coffin with rail padding and decorated inside and out with teddy bears and firetrucks.
    Then he could “accidentally” get his head stuck between the crib rails and choke/suffocate. Finally, he could be buried in accordance with various rituals and rites under Fat-Person Law.
    Or, he could run for the Republican presidential nomination as a portly brain-trust idea man. Oops. He’s not old enough. He is, after all, quite young.

    Larry Reilly (0e1b2d)

  34. Larry please piss off and die.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  35. And according to the CAIR spokeshole Palestine not being able to bomb Israel is racist……….He is a big baby like this guy.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  36. “That is incredibly lame based on an arguably factual statement.”

    I don’t wish to go into this “arguably factual” statement. But that is a quite phrase.

    Just recognizing that the world must be quite terrible for someone that believes this. How consumed you must be by these injustices you perceive! How it must burn.

    Just because someone is paranoid, don’t mean we can’t have sympathy for them.

    Bruuuuce (8c9005)

  37. Just wanted to rmind everyone that Larry Reilly is a JournoList. How sad is that?!

    JD (0d01eb)

  38. There’s only one way to deal with the social safety net.

    Disband it.

    Dave Surls (0a29ae)

  39. Last year, upon applying for Social Security at 62, I was requested to appear at the local S.S. office due to a snag in my Military papers from the 60’s. Upon entering, I noted that I was the only “old” person in the room. Not one individual over the age of 40.

    Once my number was called, I asked the grey haired lady behind the counter (which has an apparently bullet-resistant steel protective roll-up window) both about this and the need for an Armed Guard in the room. She said, ” Ohhh. SSDI. Some people get very angry when they get turned down.”

    While leaving the S.S. Building parking area, a thirties something woman drove in, in a Mercedes SUV; got out and walked to the rear of the car; retrieved her crutches and proceeded to enter “limp mode” on her way toward the front door!!!

    Before this occurance, I had absolutely no clue!!! SSDI. The new Permanent Unemployment!!!

    ETEE (4e0dda)

  40. And one of my clients, who is mostly blind, was turned down by SSDI.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  41. “I don’t wish to go into this “arguably factual” statement.”

    Bruuuuce – Chickensh*t. You are never going to own the internet this way. Just because you are paranoid does not mean the head lopping Muslims can find you from commenting through a fake name on the internet. Cowboy up Bruuuuce.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  42. yup, daleyrocks. Bruuce’s response to an argument is to try as hard as he can to ignore it.

    Bruuce’s little trolling bit doesn’t say anything about anyone but pathetic little Bruuce.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  43. There’s only one way to deal with the social safety net.

    Disband it.

    Well, the mask comes off.

    angeleno (ec0b60)

  44. Has Mr Surls ever hid behind a mask?

    No.

    JD (0d01eb)

  45. Well, the mask comes off.

    Comment by angeleno

    Once again, you just invent a smear.

    A lot of people believe the social safety net is so corrupt it actually outweighs its usefulness, causing so much harm to society that the best thing to do is not have one at all.

    You pretend this is not a legitimate opinion someone may have, and that this was something he lied about in the past, because you are a partisan hack.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  46. We get it bruce, you’re a troll who didn’t come to this discussion thread to discuss because you’re afraid of daleyrocks.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  47. Bwuuuuuuuuce – what other names have you posted under?

    JD (306f5d)

  48. And all this time, I thought the Baby Huey family was just fiction. Hell, that nurse is big enough to bear him as an adult lol! Nice to know my tax dollars are going to worthwhile causes.

    Johnny Simpson (93d7db)

  49. “This is what you get for showing sympathy for the “arguably factual.””

    Bruuuce – Wrong. That is what I gave you for dodging the discussion. This is how it works. You criticized a point I made and then decided you would not discuss it. That is chickensh*t.

    Bring a better game.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  50. If you hadn’t said you got it, I wouldn’t have though it.

    Bruuuuce (a9197b)

  51. “You criticized a point I made and then decided you would not discuss it. That is chickensh*t.”

    I sympathized with you, actually. And for that I get you begging to argue. Argue over what? Over this?

    “Dude should claim he is a Muslim if he wants to keep his check. Then he could claim cutting him off would be religious persecution.”

    You don’t need to argue your fever. There’s no arguing with someone who thinks this. You calling it “arguable” doesn’t make it so.

    Bruuuce (d03d04)

  52. “You don’t need to argue your fever. There’s no arguing with someone who thinks this. You calling it “arguable” doesn’t make it so.”

    Bruuuce – You lie. You need to bring a better game. Here is what you said:

    ““Everybody knows how much the Obama Administration bends over backwards to avoid offending Muslims, even those who deserve offending.”

    The world must be a terrible place for you. I’m sorry.

    Comment by Bruuuuce — 5/19/2011 @ 10:27 am”

    You are never going to own the internet this way.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  53. Take away his welfare check and televise his suicide. People who brag about doing it seldom do. Too chicken, and he’s a proven chicken by his refusal to be a grownup.

    Scrapiron (d98c7a)

  54. Bruuce spends all day trolling discussion threads, and he’s insecure about abuse of welfare?

    GEEEE, I wonder why.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  55. Bwuuuuuucie – what other names have you commented under?

    JD (306f5d)

  56. No, he’s too much of an oddball to be a metaphor. Your view of the “American citizenry” is certainly something to be noted and remembered.

    That was my view of the “whiny American citizenry crying for their handouts.” The portion of the citizenry that is not crying for handouts would not be the target of my criticism, now would it?

    So duly note and remember — but first, interpret correctly.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  57. The mask falls.

    angeleno (ec0b60)

  58. The mask falls.

    Comment by angeleno

    Show me the mask.

    You’re asserting that someone was hiding their views. Back up your claim.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  59. I am so disappointed that I once thought angeleno was a reasonable fellow.

    JD (3ad5b9)

  60. Yeah, I recall Angeleno striking a pose as a reasonable moderate too. As usual, trolls eventually settle on projection.

    The mask slips.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  61. Angeleno is not who I thought he was.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  62. No, if I favor a safety net, I must be a bolshevik at least.

    angeleno (ec0b60)

  63. But Angeleno is who I thought I found on my shoe heel.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  64. I’m pretty much against a government safety net, Angeleno.

    But then, I always have been. So you damn well better not be using that “mask” terminology to refer to me. If you are, prove I ever said otherwise.

    This is not, by the way, to say I favor whisking away the net forever, or that I believe in no net at all. I believe in a net provided by private charity — and making sure that a sufficient one exists would not happen overnight.

    This I say because I can anticipate the dishonest followup responses that COULD result when I make a declaration like that.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  65. When you run for office, Patrick, I’ll read your policy proposals with avid interest.

    SPQR, you can always be counted on to contribute. Thank you.

    angeleno (ec0b60)

  66. No, if I favor a safety net, I must be a bolshevik at least.

    That is an excellent argument and not at all a textbook example of a strawman.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  67. No, if I favor a safety net, I must be a bolshevik at least.

    Comment by angeleno

    Touchy? There’s a big difference between crying that you will kill yourself if you are expected to work when young and able bodied, and wanting some kind of safety net.

    Ideally, it would be nice if we had a non corrupt safety net. You really think we don’t want one? One commenter seems to think this isn’t possible at all, and thus because he thinks the result of a bloated ‘safety net’ outweighs the benefits, he rejects the entire broken project.

    And you become hysterical about it, for some reason.

    You’re an extremist posing as a moderate. To make that work, you consistently lie about our POVs. No, we do not equate any safety net with bolshevik. Most of us like Paul Ryan, for example, and he’s much more interested in preserving a safety net than a mainstream ‘who cares about the collapse in the system in a few years’ democrat like Obama.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  68. When you run for office, Patrick, I’ll read your policy proposals with avid interest.

    What the f**k does that even mean? My arguments are not worth reading because I am not running for office?

    Are you?

    Patterico (c218bd)

  69. Social security and Medicare — are they part of the security net, as you define it?

    angeleno (ec0b60)

  70. _________________________________________

    A question that is rarely or never asked of obese people, particularly grotesquely obese ones who are totally immobile (and definitely unemployed), is how much friggin’ money do they spend per day, per week, per month on food?

    That question certainly deserves to be directed at overweight folks who have a modest income and are complaining about household expenses, or are on the government dole, as is the case with baby Stanley.

    Mark (411533)

  71. Social security and Medicare — are they part of the security net, as you define it?

    Yup. I’d kill ’em both if they made me king.

    Which is not too likely.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  72. My arguments are not worth reading because I am not running for office?

    No, your opinions are worth reading now. Given the current state of public opinion, however, electability would be a problem.

    Are you?

    It will never happen.

    angeleno (ec0b60)

  73. But see my previous caveats, which I have a funny feeling you’re about to ignore.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  74. No, your opinions are worth reading now. Given the current state of public opinion, however, electability would be a problem.

    Duh. Lucky thing it’s not an issue and never has been. So, then: answer my question. What did your comment mean?

    Patterico (c218bd)

  75. Yup. I’d kill ‘em both if they made me king.

    A large majority of the American citizenry want them preserved. The scope of your scorn would thus seem very wide.

    angeleno (ec0b60)

  76. A large majority of the American citizenry want them preserved

    Thanks for sharing this brilliant insight.

    No one realized this.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  77. My disappointment in misjudging angeleno is overwhelming. My gut reaction was spot on.

    JD (d48c3b)

  78. A large majority of the American citizenry want them preserved. The scope of your scorn would thus seem very wide.

    It is.

    People need to wake the hell up. And as long as people want to play the role of the baby, we’re all in a lot of trouble.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  79. Even if you’re interested in preserving these wonderful programs, how is that going to happen when they are allowed to bankrupt us?

    Patterico (c218bd)

  80. how is that going to happen when they are allowed to bankrupt us?

    Exactly.

    Angeleno’s attempt to wave his finger at you for daring to fix a problem doesn’t come with a solution to the problem.

    Bush was right to try to fix these problems years ago, but we as a country insisted we kick the can down the road, making it harder to fix. Eventually we will have to pay the piper.

    Demagogues are lying to pose as the saviors of the safety net, when really they just want political power, paid for by entitlements and dependency. It’s especially cruel in light of the fact these dependents will really suffer if these systems aren’t reformed.

    The mask slips, angeleno.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  81. “Even if you’re interested in preserving these wonderful programs, how is that going to happen when they are allowed to bankrupt us?”

    Depends on the program. The social security shortfall is at most like 1-2% of GDP, and as a transfer payment, it’s not like it’s lost GDP. It just gets consumed by old and disabled people rather than the employed (and that’s if we just keep it funded by a payroll tax, we can expand the funding base for it to include more than the employed). Hardly ‘bankrupting’ us.

    That leaves medicare costs, which you can look at as a medical cost problem rather than a simple problem of an increasing population relying on it. There’s several policy options here. When the democrats passed some mild ones in the PPACA, they were derided by the right, with claims like ‘death panels’ and ‘medicare cuts.’

    Also, there’s quite a bit of policy choices between ‘bankrupt’ and ‘kill ’em.’ But I can understand the aversion to thinking about them, given the democrat’s experience with the PPACA.

    Bruuuuce (e035aa)

  82. Bwuuuuuuuuuuucie is just a political coward. If your ideas are so great, you should not fear the debate. Fact is, that you fear that your proposals will be called out for what they are. #86 shows how patently unserious your claims are.

    JD (0d01eb)

  83. Like I said, a coward. And someone that has posted previously, under other names. You have demonstrated how fundamentally unserious you, and your leftist ideals are.

    JD (0d01eb)

  84. “The social security shortfall is at most like 1-2% of GDP”

    Bruuuce – How much actual cash is in the social security trust fund? How does the government pay the trust fund back for the trillions it has looted from it over the years? That issue dwarfs our national debt.

    I’ll await your answer.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  85. You know they are really out there when they insist Obamacare be called PPACA, an Orwellian name if ever there was one.

    Some democrats get pretty upset about calling it Obamacare, because they hope Obama isn’t credited with the inevitable disaster.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  86. Reform, not destruction. The policy objective should be to find a way to preserve safety net essentials and and avoid bankruptcy as well.

    Patrick’s and Dave’s vision seems to be nothing less than the return of laissez-faire. The thrust of today’s sermon is that anything less is infantilism.

    That’s not the world I want to bequeath to my child. I’ll resist it with all my strength.

    angeleno (ec0b60)

  87. Angeleno prefers bankrupting our country. Because it feels good.

    JD (0d01eb)

  88. Reform, not destruction. Your head should assplode for typing that, since the current trajectory is hellbent on destruction.

    JD (0d01eb)

  89. The policy objective should be to find a way to preserve safety net essentials and and avoid bankruptcy as well.

    So you must really not like Obama very much, then.

    Paul Ryan 2012?

    The thrust of today’s sermon is that anything less is infantilism.

    So every time this is pointed out to be a strawman, you’ll just shut up for ten minutes and say it again?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  90. Reform, not destruction. The policy objective should be to find a way to preserve safety net essentials and and avoid bankruptcy as well.

    And let me guess what your solution is: keep spending like drunken sailors, finance the voluntary pathology of Baby Stanley and his ilk, and soak the rich to make it all happen. And disappear when someone points out that confiscating 100% of all rich people’s income would not bridge the gap even if it were feasible, which it is not.

    Patrick’s and Dave’s vision seems to be nothing less than the return of laissez-faire. The thrust of today’s sermon is that anything less is infantilism.

    That’s not the world I want to bequeath to my child. I’ll resist it with all my strength.

    Depends on what you mean by laissez-faire. If you mean minimal government intervention in the form of regulation, taxes, tariffs, and other economic interference with the market causing unintended side effects, you’re right. I do, however, support a strong system of private charity, which I believe can help get people back on their feet with personal involvement in a way that impersonal government checks can never replicate.

    The future we are headed towards, wherein the government takes care of all needs, but we continually borrow to make that happen, is going to cripple our children’s futures. I’ll resist it with all my strength.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  91. You right or write? Either way, it was mendoucheous. And literally shows how unserious your response was.

    JD (0d01eb)

  92. Patrick’s and Dave’s vision seems to be nothing less than the return of laissez-faire

    Um, yeah. That is what America is about, isn’t it?

    That’s not the world I want to bequeath to my child. I’ll resist it with all my strength.

    Then we’ll crush you, as we’ve crushed freedom’s enemies before.

    Milhouse (a8afa6)

  93. OK, angelino, live the consequences.

    Everyone argues from the baseline that government is the only solution. It may be one, but it is not the only.

    The Civil Rights Act has been effective. But it has been because people and the government united to stop injustice.

    Honestly, though, most social engineering has been spectacularly unsuccessful.

    We now have a social contract with the elderly and the feeble. No one wants these people to suffer any hardship, but tasking the federal government forever with the toil may be a bridge too far.

    Replacing government with family is a nice sentiment, but it is a hollow promise.

    Ag80 (867d1b)

  94. That’s not the world I want to bequeath to my child. I’ll resist it with all my strength.

    Tough talk.

    Let’s see all your strength.

    The time to offer real solutions for the sake of your child is RIGHT NOW and the people you need to lobby are largely democrats who want to leave your child with a disaster.

    You seem more interested in lying about the POVs of people in this thread who want to save your child from a sure failure of an entitlement system.

    You want some kind of minimal safety net, or do you want some kind of lush entitlement? Do you want to collect many times as many benefits as you paid, and leave the bill to your child?

    If not, then you need to agree to major savings in these programs. You can’t just overwhelm the math with ‘fighting with all my strength’ and dramatic promises.

    You either have deep cuts or massive, crippling tax hikes, or some combinations of the two. Obama needs to come clean with the middle class. They need to set aside a very large fraction of their income to fund the disaster he is leaving.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  95. “We now have a social contract with the elderly and the feeble. No one wants these people to suffer any hardship, but tasking the federal government forever with the toil may be a bridge too far.”

    Ag80 – I thought Obama science Czar John Holdren was big on euthanasia, as was Rahm’s brother. Maybe with the death panels and end-of-life counseling built in to ObamaCare we’ll be seeing some formal proposals on that soon.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  96. All I have seen from folks such as angeleno and the Democrats is The Fierce Urgency Of Complacency on entitlements. Obama kicks the can down the road like a coward. The Senate has not produced a budget in more than two years. These are not serious people.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  97. SOCK PUPPETS RULE !!!!!!!!!!

    JD (85b089)

  98. “The more time that passes, the political support for fixing the programs in ways that keeps them only gets stronger.”

    Bruuuce – Or they don’t want to reveal their real agenda, which is a more likey possibility.

    Now how about that answer on social security, nimrod?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  99. Rebel Pundit captured a bunch of people like Kman, Bruuuce and angeleno talking about Medicare Reform outside a Paul Ryan event in Chicago earlier this week. Without Obama’s new tone and civility instructions it is scary to think what these people might be like. Yes, they really do exist and we saw them in Madison and other places. They provide great examples of why throwing more dollars at public education in this country is a waste of resources.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  100. Why do I get the feeling ‘FIGHT YOU WITH ALL MY STRENGTH’ = troll internet forums?

    Being a pest on the internet is not the mark of a leader.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  101. He is a perfect metaphor for Democrats who never want to grow up and deal with their adult burdens. They always want somebody else to take care of them, pay for their every whim, and make sure nothing will go wrong. So Democrat politicans cater to their feelings and obtain votes from the infantile adults.

    It’s time this nation grew up.
    {^_^}

    JD (bcdcf2)

  102. shoot that fat bastard, and put him out of OUR misery. He can build furniture, but can’t work? we isn’t he being arrested for fraud?

    gary (c06379)

  103. “Bruuuce – Or they don’t want to reveal their real agenda, which is a more likey possibility.”

    I would hope their real agenda is keeping these programs. Pelosi is on board with that. She also knows it’s a winner. But others I’m not so sure.

    Bruuuce (0eb116)

  104. Bwuuuuuuuucie – What other names have you been banned under?

    JD (0d01eb)

  105. JD – I think Bruuuce is in that video I linked in 101.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  106. Bruuuuuuuuuuuce is the fat 630 Lb 30 yr old baby.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  107. Bruuuce – Here’s another nice Medicare link for your reading pleasure.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  108. As I said before, there’s a medical cost problem. It’s not only a problem for medicare.

    But try and propose a cost control like Medicare part D bargaining and see how far that gets you with the austerity crowd.

    Bruuuce (58a4f2)

  109. Bwuuuuuuucie is a cowardly serial sock puppeteer.

    JD (0d01eb)

  110. Bruuuce – I blame Booosh!!!!!!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  111. Bruuuuuuuuuuce blames da joooooos also.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  112. No you want entitlemnts shrunk?

    Oh now your guy is in office entitlements are ok.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  113. Coward. Liar. Sock puppet.

    JD (0d01eb)

  114. It’s time this nation grew up.
    {^_^}

    Comment by JD — 5/20/2011 @ 2:20 am

    — It’s about time you shut up.
    R@#)(Y^%&*^&^^::{}>”>?>:”

    Icy Texan (ecd20f)

  115. The simplest comment above is the best, “CALL HIS BLUFF!!!” If this piece of human shit acutally does “have the balls” to off himself….HOO-RAY!!!!! That’s what I call a WIN-WIN situation!

    Doug (35bd37)


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