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5/5/2011

Osama bin Roundup

Filed under: General — Aaron Worthing @ 5:30 pm

[Guest post by Aaron Worthing; if you have tips, please send them here.  Or by Twitter @AaronWorthing.]

Update: How can I forget that Patrick made it onto Hot Air again?

This is just another set of random stories related to bin Laden’s death.

First, Obama visits ground zero.

It’s good to know he doesn’t ever want to be seen as “spiking the ball.”  Seriously, if he isn’t there for a victory lap, what is he there for?

Update: Let me add this for clarity. I’m not upset at Obama for taking a victory lap. I am upset at him for the hypocrisy of doing so after his condescending claim that he won’t released photos because we as a people shouldn’t be spiking the football.

Speaking of non-spike-atude of the ball, Ace notices that someone set up a site called  www.gutsycall.com and if you go there, it immediately redirects you to Obama’s reelection site.  Ace is right to say it isn’t necessarily Obama who did it, but possibly one of his worshipers.  I predict that as the sheer boneheadedness of this act becomes more obvious to the left, they will try to claim it’s a false flag thing, probably by Karl Rove in conjunction with the Koch brothers.

Oh God, are we returning to messiah mode with Obama, again? You want to know who made the gutsy call?  The SEAL team, especially because apparently they might be prosecuted by Eric Holder for  what they did.  Not that Holder is fool enough to be threatening that now, but we learn via Ace that they are still considering whether to prosecute CIA interrogators for doing things like waterboarding.  Ace’s original draft said, “Holder’s holding indictments over the heads of CIA interrogators — the same ones who delivered Obama to him.”

(Emphasis added.)  Well, thank God they helped us kill Obama bin Biden Osama bin Laden!  No malice, Ace, we all do it once in a while.  I’m just amused.  And of course his post is making a serious point, that shouldn’t be lost in the joke.  I know “just following orders” is not an excuse for committing a clear violation of human rights, but waterboarding is not a clear violation of human rights, period.  You can see Burlingame discussing her meeting here.

Meanwhile, David Beamer, father to Todd Beamer, feels that Obama is putting too much of the spotlight on himself.  I actually don’t agree, but listen for yourself and decide.

Next, Obama explains to us why they buried him at sea within 24 hours:

About bin Laden’s burial at sea executed within 24 hours of his death as prescribed by Muslim law, the president said, “Frankly, we took more care on this than, obviously, bin Laden took when he killed 3,000 people. He didn’t have much regard for how they were treated and desecrated. But that, again, is something that makes us different. And I think we handled it appropriately.”

Kroft asks President Obama if it was his decision to bury the al Qaeda leader at sea. “It was a joint decision. We thought it was important to think through ahead of time how we would dispose of the body if he were killed in the compound,” says the president. “And I think that what we tried to do was – consulting with experts in Islamic law and ritual – to find something that was appropriate, that was, respectful of the body.”

Well, first Mr. President, there is a world of difference between not desecrating a body and giving it a full Islamic funeral.  The first is accomplished by not relieving yourself on it into the hole left where his eye was, to give a specific example.  Now I am all for desecration in the form of wrapping his body and the body of every other terrorist in bacon, so that his followers will know that they won’t be getting their seventy-two virgins, but I can appreciate and respect the desire to show we are decent and not even do that.  But why on Earth would you want to not only avoid actively desecrating it, instead revere it with a proper Islamic funeral.  Seriously, frak that.

Second, Mr. President, dumping him in the sea was not correct by his faith.  So you destroyed evidence without attaining the benefit you wanted to get from it—to show the Muslim world we are so decent toward even our enemies.

Third, isn’t that all offensive toward good Muslims?  Someone, I forgot who, said this was just like as if someone decided that the proper way to treat Tim McVeigh was to give him a proper Christian burial at Arlington Cemetery.  It’s offensiveness in the guise of courtesy.

Also if you were hoping to avoid creating a shrine, um, it’s not working out so well.  No, not at all.

And, by the way, apparently they are upset over in Pakistan:

Hundreds of people marched through Multan, burning U.S. flags and waving placards as they warned the terrorist’s death could produce many more radical figures to take his place.

It comes after crowds of weeping mourners were pictured offering funeral prayers for the Al Qaeda mastermind widely blamed for thousands of deaths at 9/11.

Good to know they are our allies.  And they have warned us not to do something like that again:

Pakistan warned America Thursday of “disastrous consequences” if it carries out any more unauthorized raids against suspected terrorists like the one that killed Osama bin Laden.

However, the government in Islamabad stopped short of labeling Monday’s helicopter raid on bin Laden’s compound not far from the capital Islamabad as an illegal operation and insisted relations between Washington and Islamabad remain on course.

Hey, here’s how it works, Pakistan.  If you don’t allow terrorists to live in your country, we won’t go into your country.  Deal?

Also Castro isn’t happy.  Of course not, he’s afraid he is next.  Can’t have people thinking it is okay to take down terrorists and dictators…

Meanwhile we learn that the Europeans are starting to question whether it was legal to kill bin Laden like that:

In Germany, the media reaction has been especially noteworthy for its near unanimous criticism of the American raid. Many German analysts say the American action was illegal under international law and some Germans have called for an international commission (similar to the Goldstone Commission in Israel) to investigate the U.S. foray into Pakistan.

I know what you are thinking.  Frak those Euroweenies.  And I agree.  But I thought electing Obama would make them all like and support us again?

Of course it doesn’t help that the story keeps changing:

Sources involved in the operation that took down Usama bin Laden told Fox News the terrorist leader acted “scared” and “completely confused” in his final moments, “shoving his wife” at the Navy SEAL who ultimately shot him.

I mean seriously, I want to believe all that, but why the hell should I?  We have been jerked around enough already.  They are going to have to do better than that if they are going to convince me that this is finally the actual series of events.  And both that account and this one suggests that most of the people killed were not armed.  But official White House position number 12 says that there was a firefight.  But you should be skeptical because let’s remember, the Pakistanis are suspect now—especially the ones who lived in bin Laden’s neighborhood.  So when we see them call the raid “cold blooded” you wonder, “I am sorry, are our SEALS supposed to do what?  Give them a square chance to fight back?  Risk their lives for your sense of fair play?”  I don’t think so.

And via the Daily Mail we get an explanation of why it isn’t unsporting to kill apparently unarmed men.  Because they are fraking terrorists:

The elite U.S. Navy Seals team that killed him was told to assume he was wearing a suicide vest if he was clothed, according to a briefing given to a congressional aide.

The aide – briefed on the rules of engagement – revealed that Bin Laden ‘would have had to be naked for them to allow him to surrender’.

Of course that is subject to the caveat the White House can’t seem to get its story straight, and that it sounds more like they were authorized to fire in that situation, rather than required to.

I am reminded of the false surrender and suicide attacks of Japanese soldiers during WWII.  After enough of that dishonorable behavior, we stopped letting the Japanese soldiers even pretend to surrender.  I don’t think there was anything wrong, morally, with that, and I don’t see why bin Laden should be treated any different.  And if the terrorists don’t like it, then whose fault is it that they find themselves in that situation?

While I suspect that the risk of capturing bin Laden would have been worth it for the intel value, I am not going to second guess the SEALS for deciding not to try to take him alive.

There is a rising tide of voices saying, more or less, “release the damn photo.”  Giuliani agrees, and “Jeannie Evans, of Elmont, who lost her baby brother firefighter Robert Evans on 9/11[,]” says more generally, “Why not show us proof, that Bin Laden was killed? I would like to see that[.]”  You should read that whole article for the shabby way they have treated the September 11 families generally, with form letters and the like.  Jim Treacher has a funny take that finds the same irritation I did at the President’s sanctimonious justification for withholding the photos:

How about this for a reason: I want to see the pictures because they show Osama Bin Laden with a big hole in his head. I saw people jump out of the Twin Towers. I saw those buildings fall down. I saw the people who ran for their lives down the streets of New York in front of an avalanche of ash. I saw the faces of the people who lived through it. Now I want to see what happened to the guy who did it. I want the world to see how that turned out for him.

And if Reprimander-in-Chief Barack Obama wants to scold me for it, he should’ve thought about that before he called in Dick Cheney’s secret assassination squad. It really is hard to keep track of what you’re supposed to be proud of these days, isn’t it? Remember: Pouring water on a terrorist’s face goes against our core values as Americans. You gotta break into his house and shoot him in the eyes.

Fundamentally Obama thinks he is here to teach us to be better people.  And yeah, that is pretty insufferable.

And Alan Dershowitz chimes in, in a brilliant essay pointing out how idiotic both disposing of the body and not releasing photographs really is:

Burying his body at sea constituted the willful destruction of relevant evidence, which naturally gives rise to suspicions that there was something to hide. I fully credit the administration’s explanation that the reason for the hasty burial at sea was the desire not to offend religious Muslims and not to create a shrine to a dead mass murderer. But many reasonable people around the world will wonder whether the decision may also have been based on a desire to suppress the whole truth.

In my nearly half-century of representing defendants charged with homicide, I have come to know that the best evidence of how a person died comes from the body of the deceased. Dead bodies often talk more loudly, clearly and unambiguously than live witnesses. Bin Laden’s body should have been preserved as long as necessary to gather all relevant evidence, notwithstanding the requirements of Shariah Law.

When a Muslim or a Jew is the victim of a homicide in the United States, religious considerations do not trump civil requirements. Their bodies are generally sent to the medical examiner for thorough examination. Notwithstanding religious prohibitions, autopsies are performed and organs removed for testing. No special exception should have been made for bin Laden’s body.

That was my impression, too—we try to work around religious sensibilities, but if you have to keep the body unburied for investigatory purposes, tough.  Read the whole thing.

And I remember shortly after 9-11 there was this great unity.  And even on the night we learned that bin Laden was killed, there was a similar unity.  And now we might be seeing it again as Eugene Robinson (!) also argues for releasing the photos:

[W]hile gory photographs would have inflamed some jihadists and wannabes, I believe they would have disillusioned and deflated others. A heroic myth of invulnerability had been built around bin Laden. He was supposed to have cheated death while fighting the Russians in Afghanistan, walking tall through fields of fire as the bullets somehow missed. He escaped the Americans who cornered him at Tora Bora. He evaded capture for a decade, despite the best efforts of the West’s spies and soldiers.

Showing him in death would definitively refute any notion that bin Laden enjoyed some kind of divine protection. The myth would die with the man.

I mean he can’t make it through the whole post without swiping at conservatives, but still, wow, is there anyone supporting Obama on this?

Oh, right there is Andrew Sullivan.  He’s ready to accept the official story without investigation and Pejman Yousefzadeh has waaaay too much fun asking Andrew Sullivan why he isn’t as interested in investigating the truth about bin Laden’s death as he was about the truth of Trig’s birth.

Doug Powers writes that Sen. Scott Brown assures america bin laden is dead based on a fake photo.  Indeed three Senators might have been fooled.

[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]

84 Responses to “Osama bin Roundup”

  1. Greetings:

    That near-midget on the President’s right isn’t really what’s standing between me and my Muslim brothers and sisters, is it???

    11B40 (2cf946)

  2. I think the release of photos is being saved for October 2012.

    Sponge Bob Square Pants (fccc6f)

  3. Something else that doesn’t add up, they spent 40 minutes hanging around a place that we are being told was the most militarized area in Pakistan. I think the Pakistan government gift wrapped Osama for us. We could have went in and killed him or taken him prisoner and got out in two minutes but we felt it was safe enough to hang around for what is an eternity in rescue mission minutes.

    j curtis (3feec6)

  4. Given how this administration has been treating CIA and spec ops forces, it was indeed gutsy of the SEAL Team to go ahead on this mission.

    They may still expect a knife in their back from Obama.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  5. Mission Accomplished.

    Arizona Bob (aa856e)

  6. Gutsycall.com is disgusting.

    JD (318f81)

  7. Excellent work disposing of Osama but we need to get al-Zawahiri and a laundry list of others — quickly — before I will be convinced of a long-standing upper hand against global terror directed toward US interests. Those other high value targets would include the likes of Mullah Omar, and many of the firebrand clerics in Indonesia (especially those sympathetic to Osama and the Bali bombings), and elsewhere. Pakistan, as expected, is proving itself to be a half-hearted ally in the war on terror — as indicated by recent government reaction there, and of course, the widespread outpouring of public support in the the street for Osama following his death.

    Mark Turner (5f1064)

  8. j curtis, you make a good point. There is a 20 minute firefight (with one guy so the story goes now) and the compound is 1,000 yards from the West Point of Pakistan? What did the neighbors, retired Pakistani military that lives in Abattabad, and the active military think was happening? Our SEALs were there for 40 minutes? That is an eternity in a mission like this one.

    retire05 (2d538e)

  9. The timing is not that big a deal. It takes time to organize a reaction force and 40 minutes is probably not enough time to do so. Time how long it takes a SWAT team to deploy in a major US city, much less Pakistan.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  10. Yea, SPQR, I worry about the SEAL team getting put under the bus, and Biden should have kept his freaking mouth shut. What a moron.

    Spec Ops Mom (267713)

  11. Spec Ops Mom, we’ve had some pretty dumb Vice Presidents.

    But Joe Biden is without a doubt, and with not even a close second place, the dumbest f**king Vice President we’ve ever had.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  12. Every time Obama, et al, attempt to convince us how multi-culti compassionate they are, all they do is reveal another layer of stupid – and this layer-cake is beginning to appear State-Dinner suitable.

    AD-RtR/OS! (5261df)

  13. Hundreds of people marched through Multan, burning U.S. flags and waving placards as they warned the terrorist’s death could produce many more radical figures to take his place.

    Let them. We’ll kill those folks just as f**king dead.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  14. To corrupt Samuel Johnson a bit, it is astonishing, but not surprising that the administration of the smartest President ever could actually screw up the assassination of the most hated man in America (NFL players and CAIR excluded, of course).

    Ag80 (6134b7)

  15. Aaron, you made the Obama (instead of Osama) typo again. Just after the word “delivered”. Feel free to delete this comment.

    I’ve made that same typo a few times too.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  16. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APx2YJ-_jos

    You should just link to the Ted Kennedy video instead of worrying about switching Osama and Obama.

    JD (318f81)

  17. 10.The timing is not that big a deal

    It is a big deal. If Pakistan wasn’t in on it, there would have been something like cops showing up to check out the commotion. These wouldn’t have to be pro-Osama cops, just the usual cops. Are the Seals supposed to shoot the cops when they arrive?

    Your SWAT team analogy doesn’t work. A noisy home invasion or bank robbery is more analogous but even they require more steps than a quick in and out, find and kill mission.

    j curtis (3feec6)

  18. #18, jc, a well planned mission would have included provisions to delay, misdirect, or obstruct local authorities to prevent them from interfering. Also, included in the overall plan would have a been sufficient US assets available to dissuade Pakistani military aircraft from intercepting the withdrawing helicopters.

    ropelight (a82fa2)

  19. **Now I am all for desecration in the form of wrapping his body and the body of every other terrorist in bacon**

    HEATHEN! How dare you even consider desecrating one of the High Holy Meats like that? Hog’s lard is much easier to apply than bacon, and cheaper to boot. And no one cries if you desecrate hog’s lard.

    Dershowitz wants the body preserved as homicide evidence? To help the Euro-weenies prosecute SEALs for violating UBL’s “human rights,” no doubt. Taking out the trash and tossing it to the sharks and crabs works for me.

    The photos will leak soon enough. Obambi’s embarrassed. He wants all the credit, but he doesn’t want to acknowledge the credit is due to Bush policies that he and his beloved left hysterically denounced for years.

    Tully (62151d)

  20. I think it was primarily a snatch mission gone sour, not a kill mission. Obama rejected an earlier plan to destroy the compound with smart bombs supposedly for fear of collateral damage, even though military experts explained the high walls surrounding the compound would contain the blast and debris.

    Additionally, by dumping the body at sea and refusing to release photographs, the Administration has put itself in the same position they would have been in if they’d bombed the compound: no primary evidence, a body; and no secondary evidence, pictures to serve as proofs of death.

    Moreover, the absurd melodrama of contradictory and rapidly changing narratives is sure to convince observers the Obama Administration is hiding the truth. How can any rational person think otherwise?

    Here’s another thought, if the unreleased pictures do show a gaping hole above the left eye in bin Laden’s head big enough to expose his brains, it’s likely he was shot from behind. Entry wounds are small and well defined, exit wounds are irregular, much larger, and end to force interior matter out the exit wound.

    ropelight (a82fa2)

  21. Dustin @16

    Um, Dustin, read it again. I am quoting Ace and ribbing him for his error.

    Aaron Worthing (b1db52)

  22. Seriously, if he isn’t there for a victory lap, what is he there for?

    Respect for the dead and their families. If he was there for a victory lap, he would have made a speech, etc.

    Showing him in death would definitively refute any notion that bin Laden enjoyed some kind of divine protection [Eugene Robinson]

    Now that Al Qaeda has publicly acknowledged that OBL was killed in the raid, these kind of arguments for releasing the photos are non-starters.

    Kman (5576bf)

  23. Kman

    > Respect for the dead and their families.

    Except he has never been there before.

    > Now that Al Qaeda has publicly acknowledged that OBL was killed in the raid, these kind of arguments for releasing the photos are non-starters.

    Actually, it wasn’t a public acknowledgement. it was a posting on what they thought was a private site.

    And of course it is impossible to post under a fake ID on the internet.

    Aaron Worthing (b1db52)

  24. That is right, Aaron, it is impossible to post under a fake ID.

    Barry Obama (b1db52)

  25. Loony deathers. AQ says so, and that should be good enough.

    Respect for the dead? Are you effin kidding me? He has been President for almost 3 years now, and just got around to going there, and it was just a coincidence that he chose to do so less than a week after he flew the helo, rapelled from helo under fire, single handedly killed OBL and then saved 40 SEALS from certain death with his heroics.

    JD (306f5d)

  26. Except he has never been there before.

    Of course he has. Just not as President.

    Guess what? Bush didn’t go there every year of his presidency either.

    I know how difficult it must be to come up everyday with some outrage against Obama, but this is stretching it.

    Kman (5576bf)

  27. kman

    > Bush didn’t go there every year of his presidency either.

    hahahahahahahahaha…

    The fact is he didn’t bother to go until he had something to crow about. its a victory lap. everyone knows it is a victory lap. there was no other reason to go there than the fact he killed bin laden. its not like it was the anniversary of the attacks or anything.

    > I know how difficult it must be to come up everyday with some outrage against Obama,

    I’m not outraged he went. he is entitled to his victory lap. he’s entitled to go there and say, “i got the bastard.” i won’t begrudge him that.

    But its hypocritical to do that, and then sniff his nose at showing the photos as “spiking the football.”

    Aaron Worthing (b1db52)

  28. Piss off trollman.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  29. The fact is he didn’t bother to go until he had something to crow about.

    Except (you keep forgetting) that he didn’t “crow”. It was a very solemn quiet event.

    I’m not outraged he went. he is entitled to his victory lap. he’s entitled to go there and say, “i got the bastard.” i won’t begrudge him that.

    Except he didn’t do that. He laid a wreath.

    Interestingly, if he HAD taken a victory lap at Ground Zero, people here would criticize him for aggrandizing himself, while using the 9/11 victims as a mere prop.

    The whole anti-Obama thing gets sillier every day.

    Kman (5576bf)

  30. kman

    so its your position that him going there had nothing at all to do with bin laden being killed… okay.

    Aaron Worthing (b1db52)

  31. Translation-How dare you uppity neocons criticize obama.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  32. so its your position that him going there had nothing at all to do with bin laden being killed… okay.

    No, my position is that it wasn’t a “victory lap” for bin Laden being killed.

    Kman (5576bf)

  33. kman

    so he went there to commemorate him killing bin laden.

    But it wasn’t a victory lap.

    gotcha.

    Aaron Worthing (b1db52)

  34. so he went there to commemorate him killing bin laden.

    No, he went there to commemorate those who perished because of bin Laden. That’s what the wreath was for.

    Kman (5576bf)

  35. If Obama wanted to show respect for the dead he could have made room on his busy schedule to show up at Arlington National Cemetery on Memorial Day.

    ropelight (a82fa2)

  36. kman

    right. so it was a giant coincidence that the first time he chose to visit ground zero, as president, was right after killing bin laden.

    seriously, do you have any idea how ridiculous you look denying the obvious?

    Aaron Worthing (b1db52)

  37. Kmart is simply denying reality today.

    JD (318f81)

  38. right. so it was a giant coincidence that the first time he chose to visit ground zero, as president, was right after killing bin laden.

    Why is this so hard to understand? Obama visited the “hallowed ground” where bin Laden wreaked his havoc and paid respect to those who had fallen there. The killing of bin Laden brought that about, but that doesn’t make the visit a “victory lap”. The purpose was to pay tribute to the 9/11 dead.

    Man, the cynicism here is depressing sometimes.

    Kman (5576bf)

  39. It was just a coincidence that in 3 years, he had not made it there, and just happened to do so right after the SEALS did their thing.

    JD (318f81)

  40. Kman

    So to review.

    he never visited ground zero before as president.

    he gets bin laden killed.

    he then goes to visit there.

    but he is not there to commemorate his victory.

    And therefore it is not hypocritical of him to criticize us mere mortals for wanting to “spike the ball.”

    Aaron Worthing (b1db52)

  41. And gutsycall.com is not spiking the ball either.

    JD (318f81)

  42. but he is not there to commemorate his victory.

    Right.

    You know how one would take a victory lap?

    Here’s one way: You make a grand entrance — say, on a Navy jet, while wearing a flight suit. After debarking, you shake hands with military people. And then you give a speech in front of a giant banner saying “Mission Accomplished”. That’s how you take a victory lap, my friend.

    Obama made no grand entrance; he made no speech at all. He laid a wreath, silently, and with dignity, at a place of sacred ground.

    Kman (5576bf)

  43. Kman

    > Obama made no grand entrance

    Yeah, that only means he made a low key victory lap. sheesh.

    > Here’s one way:

    Bunnies!

    Aaron Worthing (b1db52)

  44. Kman

    > you shake hands with military people.

    you know Obama met with firemen, right?

    Aaron Worthing (b1db52)

  45. All of this is a little silly IMO. Like most people who visit here, I await the day when BHO is no longer President, but come on, this is nit picking, and unworthy of us. We play right into the hands of those we disagree with (the Liberals) when we do things like this post.

    The bottom line is that our military got the job done, and this administration (as much as we don’t like it and “Hope” that it “Changes” lol) deserves major credit making it happen.

    for myself, I don’t see anything wrong with spiking the ball, GWB would be tap dancing on a carrier if his administration had made the kill, and that’s ok too.

    Big Tex (e23c42)

  46. you know Obama met with firemen, right?

    And isn’t that an odd thing to do if Obama’s purpose was to take a victory lap for killing bin Laden?

    I mean, did the firemen play a role in killing OBL? No, of course not.

    Kman (5576bf)

  47. Again, the guy who turned off the lights claimed he scored a touchdown. He says he can prove he scored, it’s on instant replay. However, you can’t look at it, it might upset the other guys. Instead, he’ll let you watch him spike the ball. Fair enough?

    ropelight (a82fa2)

  48. Bush wouldn’t have been so cowardly and stupid as to blow the head off a little terror monkey what had a kajillion important pieces of intelligence in his head before we could interrogate him

    happyfeet (25c55e)

  49. Big

    > for myself, I don’t see anything wrong with spiking the ball, GWB would be tap dancing on a carrier if his administration had made the kill, and that’s ok too.

    I have no problem with Obama spiking the ball. i have a problem with him getting all snooty and accusing us of wanting to spike it.

    I have said right from the beginning that obama is entitled to take some credit from this. and i don’t think he has gone over the line. I just object to the hypocrisy.

    Kman

    > And isn’t that an odd thing to do if Obama’s purpose was to take a victory lap for killing bin Laden?

    So visiting FDNY firefighters is not at all part of what a victory lap would entail. Osama killed around 200 of their brothers that day, but meeting with them just after killing Osama has nothing to do with that fact.

    Come on, be honest now…

    Aaron Worthing (b1db52)

  50. GWB would be tap dancing on a carrier

    President Bush had more class and dignity in his eyelashes than the current down. Never would have happened like that.

    JD (318f81)

  51. gutsycall.com was way over the line.

    JD (318f81)

  52. Daddy Soros’s little buttmunch skittered over to ground zero to pimp a few victims because he thinks it’s in his best interest to create a sense of closure in the war on terror.

    And that my friends is a dangerous and stupid thing to do.

    happyfeet (25c55e)

  53. So visiting FDNY firefighters is not at all part of what a victory lap would entail. Osama killed around 200 of their brothers that day, but meeting with them just after killing Osama has nothing to do with that fact

    LOL! You’re so binary. In your mind, it’s either “a victory lap” or “nothing to do with killing OBL”, and nothing else.

    Again (and for the last time), killing OBL was obviously the impetus for the NY visit, but that does not make the visit a “victory lap” or a “spike the ball” moment. He was solemnly commemorating the dead from ten years’ past, not celebrating the success of last weekend’s military operation.

    Kman (5576bf)

  54. Oh please if bush had killed Bin Laden you lefturds would have been accusing him of taking out a guy for exposing his tyranny.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  55. Kmart must not get dizzy easily.

    JD (6e25b4)

  56. …LOL! You’re so binary….

    Oh, that is so incredibly funny from Mr. “I am so nuanced in my views but react reflexively 99% of the time.”

    Thanks for the chuckle. Good one!

    Plus: a creepy stalkerboi.

    Simon Jester (742baf)

  57. Bush would also not have deep sixed further terrorist financing trials because he decided to get in bed with the terrorist financiers in his Muslim outreach program.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  58. Daleyrocks who in their right mind would get into bed with muslims? :shock:

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  59. “He was solemnly commemorating the dead from ten years’ past, not celebrating the success of last weekend’s military operation.”

    Kman – Pure coincidence he chose to do it right after killing Bin Laden in cold blood by invading another country.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  60. “Daleyrocks who in their right mind would get into bed with muslims?”

    DohBiden – I’m sure he did it in accordance with Islamic traditions.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  61. Kman

    > He was solemnly commemorating the dead from ten years’ past, not celebrating the success of last weekend’s military operation.

    a commemoration of the dead he didn’t bother to do as president until after his victory…

    Aaron Worthing (b1db52)

  62. AW:

    Do you have trouble holding more than one concept in your mind at the same time? Just wondering….

    Kman (5576bf)

  63. a commemoration of the dead he didn’t bother to do as president until after his victory…

    Oh, no. He did it. At the Pentagon. There was an attack there too, you know.

    Kman (5576bf)

  64. Kmart – do you have trouble with honesty? Just wondering …

    JD (109425)

  65. Fahrenheit 2011.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  66. Kman – Too many of your comments are based on wishful thinking, not facts.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  67. Actually Kman you are the one thinking in a binary fashion.

    I am sure the president is there to honor the fallen… and to take a victory lap, too. the two are not mutually exclusive.

    But you want to argue that it is only the one and not even a little bit the other…

    Aaron Worthing (b1db52)

  68. The SEALs killed Bin Laden and we got the 72 versions.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  69. The SEALs killed Bin Laden and we got the 72 versions.

    hahahahahaha

    That’s perfect.

    And why didn’t Obama honor the fallen before yesterday, Kman? If that’s why he was there, and not to highlight the Osama demise, he wouldn’t have gone solely because we got Osama.

    Meh. I don’t even mind. Let him spike the football. I wish he would.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  70. Dunno, the whole thing sshtinks!

    The Emperor (dadeee)

  71. A commemoration that wasn’t on the anniversary for that matter. Who can spew this spin with a straight face?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  72. Obama’s former intelligence director Dennis Blair says it was a good decision not to release photos of Bin Laden’s dead body because it would endanger American troops.

    I understand the argument that releasing photos from Abu Ghraib would endanger troops because it fuels outrage, but is it really true that a photo showing America is willing to pursue and kill enemies like Osama Bin Laden — no matter how much it costs and how long it takes — endangers our troops? It seems to me the net effect might actually be to protect our troops because terrorists would think twice about attacking us.

    DRJ (fdd243)

  73. DRJ

    i can see theories that it might go either way… so i default to release.

    its their burden to show we shouldn’t see this.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  74. DRJ, I’m still not convinced. I am waiting for someone to identify these people who are pro-US and not inclined to attack US interests but for just the release of photos of bin Laden.

    Its nonsense.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  75. Well, even if there is someone who doesn’t mind the USA killing Bin Laden, but will kill if he sees a photo of it, I think DRJ’s point overwhelms it. There’s a reason Bin Laden kid in that bedroom for 5 years, never having a blue sky over his head, or making a statement to his comrades, or joining in the fight in any material way.

    He was afraid of us killing him. The more the USA makes the case that we will hunt down terrorists, and show just how grisly their end will be, the more of them will be scared before they plan a 9/11, instead of scared afterwards.

    It is a matter of common sense that more people will be scared of attacking us, than will be motivated to attack us, based on this photo.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  76. “There’s a reason Bin Laden kid in that bedroom for 5 years, never having a blue sky over his head”

    Agoraphobia?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  77. Because he had a face even his mother couldn’t love?

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  78. For what its worth, the greatest evidence that Osama been dying is really dead is the fact that up till this moment there has not been any video tape of him coming to refute the “lies” about his purported death. That’s apart from his group AQ confirming that their ceo is dead. That says a lot. The long deafening silence of Osama-been-loving-to-video-himself-talking-crap-laden since the news of his death. No new video tapes. That’s scary.

    The Emperor (b64d39)

  79. Except that he wasn’t doing video tapes before, just weirdly edited audio tapes that were not very convincing. That’s really why I was still convinced he’d been long dead up until last weekend.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  80. If he was dead all this while and they have been faking the video tapes why would they not do so now to keep the myth alive? Why is this different?

    Osama been robbed of his 72 virgins! (1ccd3c)

  81. ooops! just blew my cover. comment 4:26 is mine..

    The Emperor (0e917b)


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