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5/1/2011

Bin Laden Dead? Obama Soon to Address Nation; UPDATE: Osama Killed, Not in Drone Attack, But in Firefight During Attack on Compound

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:55 pm

That’s what reports are saying. Updates to come.

UPDATE: Allahpundit:

Fox News says he was killed in a missile strike last week and that they’ve been waiting on an announcement until they had DNA confirmation from the remains that it was him. If there was ever a question of discontinuing drone attacks in Pakistan, there won’t be after this.

In related news, Osama Bin Laden was alive as of last week?

UPDATE: You can watch the President’s address, which has apparently not yet occurred despite being scheduled for 7:30 Eastern, here (thanks to happyfeet for the link):

[Update: by Aaron Worthing. I noticed the video has been starting on its own, which is annoying. So I am putting it below the fold.]

Or you can turn on your TV, I guess.

UPDATE: Remind me: didn’t Obama oppose drone attacks in Pakistan when he ran against McCain? Or did he make a lawyerly exception for situations like this? Or was it McCain who opposed the drone attacks?

UPDATE: It was Obama who supported blasting bin Laden in Pakistan and McCain who opposed it. Score one for Obama vs. that loser McCain.

UPDATE: Actually, looking at a video, that’s unfair. McCain merely said he wouldn’t openly say he would use attacks like this. Basically he stood up for doing it but without saying so.

UPDATE: Well, there you go. It wasn’t a drone attack. It was a firefight as the U.S. attacked the compound where bin Laden was hiding.

Nice.

UPDATE: So we have his body. Anyone else eager to see pictures of this [expletive deleted]er dead?

UPDATE: We’ll leave the political discussions until tomorrow. For tonight, this is a great moment for America, and congratulations are due to everyone involved.

I want to know who fired the fatal shot or shots and shake their hand.

UPDATE: Via commenter Dana, here are President Bush’s words reacting to the news:

“Earlier this evening, President Obama called to inform me that American forces killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of the al Qaeda network that attacked America on September 11, 2001. I congratulated him and the men and women of our military and intelligence communities who devoted their lives to this mission. They have our everlasting gratitude. This momentous achievement marks a victory for America, for people who seek peace around the world, and for all those who lost loved ones on September 11, 2001. The fight against terror goes on, but tonight America has sent an unmistakable message: No matter how long it takes, justice will be done.”

Thank you, Dana, for giving us Bush’s quote.

207 Responses to “Bin Laden Dead? Obama Soon to Address Nation; UPDATE: Osama Killed, Not in Drone Attack, But in Firefight During Attack on Compound”

  1. I don’t spend my time glued to the news any more; is there absolute confirmation yet?

    Patterico (c218bd)

  2. I love how President Obama stalled the presser for like 30 minutes, and as a result his big announcement got scooped by all the networks, but first by FNC.

    Now when Obama talks, he won’t be saying anything new.

    For “New Media” gurus, they really suck at this media thing…

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  3. They seem to be pretty sure.

    Ag80 (6134b7)

  4. Yes. Killed last week, we have the body, we had been waiting on DNA results to announce.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  5. ABC said they matched DNA against a sister who was treated in the U.S. for cancer.

    Ag80 (6134b7)

  6. ==For “New Media” gurus, they really suck at this media thing==

    Agree, Scott, I made the same observation over on the previous thread. Unbelievable. Is he watching some sports game that went into overtime or something?

    elissa (459bad)

  7. “Yes. Killed last week, we have the body, we had been waiting on DNA results to announce.”

    Scott – We also have Obama’s birth certificate. Where do you think we found it?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  8. It is incredibly hard to believe he’s been alive this long, and not showing up in his beloved video whatsoever. My guess is he’s been dead for years, and they found his corpse somehow.

    I have no problem believing he’s dead, and good for Obama for finally finding his corpse, if it’s the case they found it.

    If, as Allah says, he’s just been to gutless to show up on video for years, then good for President Bush for scaring him that much. I guess there’s a special justice in Osama living in terror in the Pakistani wasteland, for years, until he is killed by a drone.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  9. Why break in on a Sunday night, and then screw that up?

    JD (318f81)

  10. Has Obama not yet spoken? I see no news story reporting his announcement as having occurred, but several that say it was to be delivered at 7:30 Eastern, about half an hour ago. Someone just said he delayed it?

    Patterico (c218bd)

  11. Obama announces we will be leaving Afghanistan in 3….2…..1

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  12. THIS JUST IN

    Generalissimo Franco Still Dead

    ed zeppelin (e56838)

  13. here is the WH link

    does this mean we don’t hafta go to school tomorrow?

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  14. No speech here yet.

    JD (318f81)

  15. Flags at White House will be at half staff tomorrow. Outreach, baby!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  16. Fox 40 in NorCal referred to him as “Obama Bin Laden” in a caption for at least five minutes.

    Everyone involved should be fired.

    NBC has some foreign correspondent (Richard Angle?) saying that many soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan thought they were wasting their time until now, since the war on terror is now over.

    One more guy to fire.

    –JRM

    JRM (cd0a37)

  17. I’m gonna make biscuits for to celebrate

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  18. I’ve been waiting for Obama to come out and talk about this for some time.

    Anyway, I hear he was in a mansion with his family in Islamabad (from CNN).

    I wonder if he came to meet his family there, and that’s how we got him. I certainly hope he hasn’t been living nicely all these years.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  19. HA! – Today the Taliban announced their Spring Offensive.

    Our news > their news.

    @Patrick – No, he hasn’t. He’s probably busy swearing and throwing stuff in a rage at how the news got leaked…

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  20. waiting for douchewad is eating into my True Blood time

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  21. “Obama Bin Laden”

    JRM – I call BS. My Fox affiliate is spelling it Usama Bin Laden.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  22. JRM – I listened to that same drivel from the correspondent.

    JD (318f81)

  23. Same day as the Taliban’s announced spring offensive…

    (It was strange seeing Lara Logan give a serious analysis on CBS News about bin-Laden when minutes earlier 60 Minutes had her on telling the horrific story of what happened to her that February night in Tahir Square…)

    Dana (4eca6e)

  24. Geraldo says AP says he was killed living in a mansion outside Islamabad.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  25. “I have opened a Bin Laden thread so Bin Laden comments should now be left there. Comment by Patterico — 5/1/2011 @ 7:59 pm”

    He’s dead. CNN reports bin Laden killed in a mansion (as opposed to a cave) in Islamabad, Pakistan. Well done, Presdient Obama and especially well done, CIA– Your next assignment: Tripoli.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  26. Could it really be that Osama was living large right in the heart of Pakistan’s government, with his family, for years?

    I sure was attached to this notion that he lived in a cave until he died of kidney failure, years ago.

    Sighhhhh.

    Well, if this is true, I’ll give Obama credit for his drone war in Pakistan, though I think it’s clearly important that we ramp that up. Pakistan has nuclear weapons.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  27. Geraldo just explained to me that ‘familial DNA’ means they took DNA samples from Osama’s relatives to compare to his. Thank you, Geraldo.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  28. Back to polishing my light bulbs.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  29. Hell, I’m going to go outside and fly my US Flag.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  30. The partisan response of some here seems odd, considering the significance of this moment for all Americans.

    angeleno (2ffd38)

  31. I’m sure glad that whomever replaced the vile Boosh called off the illegal attacks against the territory of a valued ally in South Asia.
    We must respect the sovereignty of Pakistan, and all nations (except Texas, of course).

    AD-RtR/OS! (4eede7)

  32. @29- Neighbors are setting off fireworks and our flags are flyin’ as well. Should be a helluva party in NYC, too.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  33. Seeing as they were hiding out in Karachi, on 9/11, it wouldn’t surprise me,

    narciso (79ddc3)

  34. Toro Bora my rear end

    Its telling that HOW many people covered up for Osama for all these years

    Pakistan needs to explain itself or consider it another afghanistan and should be bombed from stem to stern all of their critical industries, power plants, airports, docks

    If people want to think they can make war upon the USA we – need to show them with a minimum of casualties to their civilian populace that this rhectoric these actions have consequences

    EricPWJohnson (f7bf67)

  35. Should be a helluva party in NYC, too.

    I understand that Rudy is faxing his ass all over the middle east…

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  36. Pat: It was scheduled for 7:30 Pacific, 10:30 Eastern. (Not 7:30 Eastern, I think.)

    –JRM

    JRM (cd0a37)

  37. Yeah, that’s what I meant. I fixed it. Thanks.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  38. was 7.30pm pacific, allegedly, although it still hasn’t happened yet.

    aphrael (fe2ce4)

  39. There is really no reason for Obama to even give a speech now, except to have an historical video of him giving the speech.

    elissa (459bad)

  40. I wanna see his body defiled. Pissed on, slathered in pig’s fat, touched by women, EVERYTHING.

    And live-cast it to the Arab World.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  41. There is really no reason for Obama to even give a speech now, except to have an historical video of him giving the speech.

    Which means that it WILL happen.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  42. “The partisan response of some here seems odd”

    Irony died during the Bush Administration

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  43. Where is Obama’s speech? Are they trying to perfect it? Can’t this nimrod just face the camera without a teleprompter, and say a few sentences, and that be all?

    I hope they aren’t trying to stuff this speech with too many political points, but this admin seems to politicize everything, even things like this.

    CNN says Obama is “finishing up final phone calls”. What?

    Anyway, some badass Americans out there just personally killed Osama Bin Laden. Imagine what it must be like for them.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  44. interesting that just yesterday National Soros Radio was pimping these thinkings:

    Macgregor recommends swift reduction of U.S. involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq, but that’s just the beginning. In a plan he acknowledges as “somewhat radical,” he proposes a 40 percent reduction of the defense budget in just three years. Forcing the Pentagon to adapt to a drastically smaller budget, he says, will streamline the organization.

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  45. seems odd. the speech could wait until tomorrow, surely. 11.30pm EDT is kinda late for a public speech.

    aphrael (fe2ce4)

  46. “There is really no reason for Obama to even give a speech now, except to have an historical video of him giving the speech.”

    elissa – A speech will just create more terrorists.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  47. Dustin: I imagine there’s a serious political problem with Pakistan over this, which is going to require some substantial feather-ruffling. After all, officially we aren’t doing this … and while we can’t not announce that bin Laden is dead, if true, that doesn’t mean Pakistan’s government won’t be pissed.

    aphrael (fe2ce4)

  48. As I say in an update, it is worth noting that Obama supported attacks like this and McCain opposed them, during the election.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  49. Scott, I’d settle for cremation, with his ashes scattered to the four corners…
    I’d start with one of the least climbed peaks in the Himalaya’s; and attached to a depth-charge set for bottoming in the Marianna’s Trench; third would be an air-scatter over that desert in Northern Chili, and – last, but not least, scattered in a pen at one of our largest pig farms.

    AD-RtR/OS! (4eede7)

  50. Has anyone confirmed drone vs Americqn forces responsible?

    JD (318f81)

  51. I’m pissed and so is the Arab gulf leaders that Pakistan hid that bastard for soo many years while condemning the USA for even thinking he was in their country

    EricPWJohnson (f7bf67)

  52. Dustin: I imagine there’s a serious political problem with Pakistan over this, which is going to require some substantial feather-ruffling. After all, officially we aren’t doing this … and while we can’t not announce that bin Laden is dead, if true, that doesn’t mean Pakistan’s government won’t be pissed.

    True.

    Then again, Osama was with his family just down the street from Pakistan’s capital. We have reason to be pissed as well.

    And it’s not like the US Government isn’t relatively open about the fact we have been making air strikes in Pakistan for many years.

    Anyway, it is a sticky situation, and while “should we kill Osama?” seems like a no-brainer for any US President, I do thank Obama for saying yes even in a country we’re not technically at war with.

    It’s off that I’ve been waiting for what seems like a simple speech. Why has it been delayed from their schedule for an hour? It’s not a big deal, in the scheme of this great news, I hope.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  53. Comment by AD-RtR/OS! — 5/1/2011 @ 8:24 pm

    Screw that. I want his head placed in a commemorative urinal that we can line up and piss on every 9-11.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  54. yeah because a bunch of 20 somthing hipster trash is always just hanging around the white house at 11 pm on a sunday night with giant US Flags getting ready to rally behind the president.

    #astroturf

    tgs (180095)

  55. Comment by aphrael — 5/1/2011 @ 8:22 pm

    Don’t you mean “feather smoothing”?

    AD-RtR/OS! (4eede7)

  56. I’ve never understood why McCain is credited with any particular national security knowledges.

    He’s not a particularly bright man I don’t think, and he obsequiously looks to the media for permission to have a policy.

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  57. Now announcing that it was a ground op, not an air-strike.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  58. Geraldo now saying it was a ground operation.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  59. JD

    They are saying he was killed by an “American Asset” which could mean anything and could be 100% inaccurate

    Of course Obama gets and needs the credit and is being fete’d now on CNN as the bestist best bester president ever

    EricPWJohnson (f7bf67)

  60. Who cares, they’ve been covering for him, forever,
    in fact they were in large part responsible for
    the networks (Khalis, Sayyaf, Hekmatyar,) from which AQ was composed.

    Congratulations, to all those responsible.

    narciso (79ddc3)

  61. I expect a political speech. Over/under on “I/me/my” ?

    JD (318f81)

  62. Has anyone confirmed drone vs Americqn forces responsible?

    Comment by JD

    CNN claimed it was not a drone, actually. Confirmed? Likely half the stuff they are saying is wrong.

    As I say in an update, it is worth noting that Obama supported attacks like this and McCain opposed them, during the election.

    Yeah, Obama has always been on the record as aggressive towards Pakistan, and he was right.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  63. AD – yes, of course. That said, I think my mis-typing is amusing, so i’ll stand by it. :)

    aphrael (fe2ce4)

  64. Will be interesting to see if President Zero even utters George Bush’s name tonight

    ed zeppelin (e56838)

  65. I’m ordering my Franklin Mint Obama slays Osama commemorative plates today.

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  66. Actually, Patterico, the stupid thing that Obama said during the campaign about Pakistan was that if Pakistan did not cooperate more with the US, he’d invade Pakistan – a nuclear armed state.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  67. Geraldo actually said “Obama is dead” before correcting himself

    ed zeppelin (e56838)

  68. Narciso: oh, i’m under no illusion that Pakistan are good guys. (I’m pro-India, after all. :)) But it’s a place where we have to be diplomatically careful lest the end result be an expansion of the war.

    aphrael (fe2ce4)

  69. “I expect a political speech. Over/under on “I/me/my” ?”

    JD – How about “I finished the job George Bush was unable to complete?”

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  70. The Military is saying it wasnt a drone. But then again its the BBC now reporting that his dead body is in our hands

    EricPWJohnson (f7bf67)

  71. I think that was McCain’s characterization, SPQR, but as I re-review the tapes I don’t see that. I see Obama saying he would fire drones in Pakistan if we had Osama in our sights, and McCain criticizing that declaration — not because he wouldn’t do it, but because Obama should not telegraph his moves. I also see McCain characterizing that as an attack on Pakistan. If you can find me tape that disputes what I’m seeing, I’m happy to see it.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  72. From what I’ve seen, it appears the networks are agreeing it was a ground operation.

    Ag80 (6134b7)

  73. “touched by women, EVERYTHING” And Scott, be sure they are naked.

    Geraldo is so excited he is about to wet himself.

    I really thought he was dead and on ice for low these many years.

    PatAZ (81cf34)

  74. drudge:

    AMERICAN CIA SHOT HIM IN HEAD; BIN LADEN IS DEAD…
    Killed in a mansion close to Pakistani capital…

    ed zeppelin (e56838)

  75. Will be interesting to see if President Zero even utters George Bush’s name tonight

    Comment by ed zeppelin

    It will say something about his character. There is practically no chance Obama doesn’t attempt to make this a political feather in his cap, I suppose.

    If it’s true that the CIA shot him in his head, then this is one of those rare times that DCSCA weirdo is right about something. Well done, CIA!

    Dustin (c16eca)

  76. This is almost funny. The network newsers have been vamping and punting for almost an hour waiting for the pres.

    elissa (459bad)

  77. I’m starting to get the feeling this might could be cutting into bumble’s True Blood time too

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  78. I remember candidate Obama having harsh words for Pakistan…

    Ellen (a13e9f)

  79. The networks also are agreeing that the the sorry bastard’s body is in our hands.

    Or at least his remains. The president is on.

    Ag80 (6134b7)

  80. An American asset…
    Someone within ISI has a very nice Swiss Bank Account (that the IRS has been told they are not allowed to ask about)…
    plus, Predators have not operated outside of Waziristan in Pakland IRC.
    It would be a major diplo kerfuffel if a Predator fired a Hellfire at a house in Islamabad..
    why, important people live there, really important people!

    AD-RtR/OS! (4eede7)

  81. the american flag pin is helpful

    he must be on our side

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  82. A campaign speech.

    JD (318f81)

  83. I/me/my

    JD (318f81)

  84. Patterico, it was earlier during the primaries. I’ll find a link.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  85. I I I I I I

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  86. Pandora radio.com is overlaying bits of the address over their internet radio coverage (I wish they’de quit ruining my listening of Gerald Wilson); so, he must be speaking.

    AD-RtR/OS! (4eede7)

  87. I called. my team, I made, I wanted I lead, I forgot to mention the US military who actually killed the guy…

    EricPWJohnson (f7bf67)

  88. heh…

    “Osama never should have gotten that iPhone…”

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  89. Obama does what Bush couldn’t. Obama kills Osama. Bush failed and let bin Laden escape.

    OBL (ba569a)

  90. Me and Leon Panetta sure did a great job.

    JD (318f81)

  91. UPDATE: Well, there you go. It wasn’t a drone attack. It was a firefight as the U.S. attacked the compound where bin Laden was hiding.

    Nice.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  92. he’s blowing the same CIA homos what did everything in their power to destroy our efforts in Iraq

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  93. I can’t wait for the discussion to begin regarding how this will help him in 2012.

    Here, I’ll start: probably a lot. Hate to say it, but there it is.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  94. Tis is a effin campaign speech.

    JD (318f81)

  95. Almost 10 years…finally!! Thank you, Bejuzzus!

    Mark (411533)

  96. interesting phrasing that OBL was killed by US forces ‘after’ a firefight. WHich sounds like a calculation was made that it was better to kill him than take him into custody/try him/etc.? Which I would agree with (less potential for reprisal) but I’m surprised Obama ok’ed it. (Or maybe I’m misunderstanding).

    mike (1d0bad)

  97. Congrats to those that did the work that led to this. The US military and intelligence communities should be proud.

    JD (318f81)

  98. given the CIA’s treasonous homo pansy hijinks there’s every reason to think they timed this to help Daddy Soros’ poll-stung buttmunch

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  99. Sure, it was a campaign speech, but for me it was a better than OK speech despite his “I,I, My” tics. If I were one of the 9/11 families or military, I think I’d be pretty pleased with the comments he made.

    elissa (459bad)

  100. Me and Leon Panetta sure did a great job.

    Comment by JD — 5/1/2011 @ 8:42 pm

    Yeah, that was really a sad attempt to take credit. The truth is that the CIA has had this mission for many years, and Obama trying to claim this started when he took office is just … unpresidential.

    The comments about race and ethnicity are silly too, as are the comments about how we owe Pakistan a debt of gratitude. That’s amazing, but Aphrael is right that we have to tread carefully.

    Still, the reason Obama was an hour late to his own speech is that his campaign team tried hard to make a great campaign speech out of this historic occasion. That’s not what Bush would have done. Not a word of gratitude to President Bush, and his name only mentioned in defense of Islam (like it’s an statement against interests or something), but what do you expect from the Politician in Chief.

    Eh, whatever. This helps Obama politically. And at least he didn’t get in the way. It’s a great day for the USA.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  101. It’s nice to see Osama dead, but it won’t change anything. It’s like killing a drug kingpin. Somebody will just pop up to replace him.

    norcal (abf36f)

  102. Absolutely it will help Obamas re-election. But, that sorry bastard is still dead.

    Bush made a nice statement. And that sorry bastard is still dead.

    Ag80 (6134b7)

  103. Which I would agree with (less potential for reprisal) but I’m surprised Obama ok’ed it.

    I can see why you’d think so, but Obama has been pretty aggressive at killing terrorists. And no politician is crazy enough to avoid this kind of success. And yes, while this is really a success for those under Obama, it is his administration. It’s sad his timeline on the fight to get Osama starts with Obama telling Panetta to make it happen… that’s a real insult, IMO, but what do you expect.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  104. Major congratulations are due to everyone involved in this operation. Congratulation to Daddy Soros’ poll-stung buttmunch on making the go decision.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  105. Patterico, killing Bin Laden will help Obama, but the effect will wear off by November 2012.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  106. norcal, my impression was that Osama was largely replaced years ago anyway.

    so this is more like justice for a retired OBL (and still a great day for us). I do think this is a great help in the war on terror. Even years late, the fact is that the USA was able to get this man. That takes away a big point of pride for the bad guys.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  107. David Gergen said we had to fight for 10 years dragged into two unwinable wars and finally we have a victory thanks to Obama, oh and GWB

    EricPWJohnson (f7bf67)

  108. President Bush:

    “Earlier this evening, President Obama called to inform me that American forces killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of the al Qaeda network that attacked America on September 11, 2001. I congratulated him and the men and women of our military and intelligence communities who devoted their lives to this mission. They have our everlasting gratitude. This momentous achievement marks a victory for America, for people who seek peace around the world, and for all those who lost loved ones on September 11, 2001. The fight against terror goes on, but tonight America has sent an unmistakable message: No matter how long it takes, justice will be done.”

    Dana (4eca6e)

  109. Meanwhile, I suspect that this operation will further destabilize Pakistan.

    I’m not saying that was a reason not to do it. I’d have done it anyway myself. But Pakistan is on a knife edge and when it collapses it is going to be a mess beyond Obama’s ability to manage. That Obama can’t manage a lemonade stand has been pretty obvious lately.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  110. Miss me yet?

    President Bush (318f81)

  111. Do you suppose Obama had the class to personally call W. to tell him before the networks? I hope so.

    elissa (459bad)

  112. Fox is doing an obituary on him. They must have had this prepared for quite sometime. It is very involved.

    PatAZ (81cf34)

  113. I want to see the body.

    But holy crap. What great news if true!

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  114. ok Mr. daley whoever pulled the trigger can have my collection of thor slurpee cups they’re in my my car

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  115. Bush’s statement is great. Thanks for sharing, Dana.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  116. my car I mean not my my car

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  117. I should not be surprised that we got an I/me/my campaign speech, but I am.

    JD (318f81)

  118. It will interesting to hear how the whole operation took place.

    Ag80 (6134b7)

  119. Probably, so, Al Awlaki is the new up and comer, but
    as with Israel when they got Yassin, it’s an important step.

    narciso (79ddc3)

  120. Notice W only uses “I” once in his statement. How presidental.

    PatAZ (81cf34)

  121. Dustin,

    I agree that justice has been served, but we’ll still be in the same war against terrorists ten years from now. The death of Osama might make the terrorist leaders more cautious, but it won’t stop Islamic radicals from blowing themselves up.

    norcal (abf36f)

  122. I just got this over messenger

    REPUBLICANS ARE PISSING THEIR PANTS OFF HA HA.

    He took the whitehouse for 2012

    He is awesome

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  123. As I emailed to the Instapundit, it is now time to drag KSM’s sorry a$$ before a Military Commission at GITMO, accept his Guilty plea, and stand him before the nearest wall to carry out his execution.

    AD-RtR/OS! (4eede7)

  124. I do have to agree that the sudden celebratory demonstration is a bit odd.

    Ag80 (6134b7)

  125. Does bin-Laden’s death at the hands of American military fuel al Qaeda’s fire or deflate them? Repercussions to the U.S., if any?

    Dana (4eca6e)

  126. ____________________________________

    I wonder how this will affect the Islamofascist cabals out there?

    Bin Laden seemed to be fading from influences over the past few years. I recall a time when the public release of a video or audio tape of his would cause a big stir and lots of handwringing. But more recently, his propaganda has been greeted with a big shrug.

    Mark (411533)

  127. I have added the Bush quote to the post. Thanks, Dana.

    happy, your immature correspondent is likely correct. This is very good news for Obama for 2012. Officially, however, I think we should probably leave the politics for tomorrow.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  128. oh yay Franklin Mint already has its commemorative artwork

    the white house probably had it already commissioned

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  129. Ahh, ok. The speech says the killing + corpse extraction happened today, which makes the timing of the speech less bizarre.

    aphrael (fe2ce4)

  130. The death of Osama might make the terrorist leaders more cautious, but it won’t stop Islamic radicals from blowing themselves up.

    Comment by norcal

    Yep. Nothing fundamental has changed. Certainly nothing functional in Al Qaida has been changed. In fact, if Obama was telling the truth and priority #1 was getting Osama instead of preventing attacks (such as Ft Hood) that’s poor judgment (though I bet he’s just saying that to collect as much credit as possible).

    It’s good for the USA that we got this SOB, and congrats to the military and CIA for doing it. The real fear is that Obama won’t see things the way you do. We screwed up, post cold war, in thinking there was less reason to be worried about the world. I have no doubt many will try to say the war on terror is over now.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  131. he’s not immature exactly he’s european

    but yes I should hush too cause I don’t have anything nice to say

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  132. ==I do have to agree that the sudden celebratory demonstration is a bit odd==

    buses parked around the corner?

    elissa (459bad)

  133. Especially since it looks as if they would have been about seven when 9/11 happened.

    Ag80 (6134b7)

  134. That’s too close to reality, to be satire.

    narciso (79ddc3)

  135. Comment by Patterico — 5/1/2011 @ 8:59 pm

    Someone on HA reminded everyone that the first Pres. Bush had like a 90% approval rating in 1991 during the first Gulf War. Then the 1992 elections came. Just saying.

    Anyway, thank you Pres. Bush, thank you Pres. Obama for continuing his policies, and thank the US military most of all, who made the bulk of the sacrifices.

    no one you know (8aaa17)

  136. I have to wonder if this result was delayed any by the Paks’ imprisonment of that State Dept. “contractor” a few months back for killing the two “street thugs” who tried to rob/kill him?

    AD-RtR/OS! (4eede7)

  137. Fox News reports that although bin Laden had been diminished by predator drone campaigns, now that he’s gone there will be a battle for leadership and succession. This could be very destructive or corrosive to the network’s ability to hold together…

    Dana (4eca6e)

  138. The scene in front of the White House is surreal.

    That campaign speech really soured me.

    JD (318f81)

  139. Dana

    I refuse to believe that the enemy has endless courage, etc. we are the ones with undying faith, not them. And no, i don’t mean in christianity or anything like that, but in democracy. we have undying faith in democracy.

    (which is not to say we very often don’t have undying faith in christ, but its a separate issue.)

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  140. Democracy, I don’t know….Liberty & Freedom is a big A-OK!

    AD-RtR/OS! (4eede7)

  141. As I’m piecing this together, it’s hitting me that this actually took some political guts on Obama’s part. Nothing like the courage shown by the people who executed the raid, of course. But politically, given that he basically sent ground forces into a country that we were not at war with, if bin Laden had not been there, Obama risked real problems. I think we all have to swallow hard and give credit where credit is due.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  142. The guy on ABC right now is just on a BDS rant.

    JD (318f81)

  143. It took a while to get a spotlight on my garage’s flag pole, but my US Flag is flying proud in the crazy windy weather we’re having tonight.

    Another thought I’ve had about this speech is that it’s not really directed at the USA. It’s a speech to the world. It’s an explanation to the Middle East for why we’d want to get Osama, and that he killed Muslims too, and that we’re not at war with Islam (always a good point to make, I readily agree).

    Bush’s comment is more of a statement to the American people (as well it should be… Bush doesn’t really need to address the world stage). Maybe that’s why I like Bush’s point “The fight against terror goes on, but tonight America has sent an unmistakable message: No matter how long it takes, justice will be done.”

    It really seemed like the main point Obama wanted to make to the USA was that cringe worthy point about how this was his idea to get Panetta looking for OBL. That really shouldn’t bug me so much. Obama has been eying Pakistan like a hawk for a long time.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  144. I don’t swallow

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  145. It certainly puts him one-up over Bill Clinton.

    AD-RtR/OS! (4eede7)

  146. And since Aaron Worthing recently drew attention to the “Drudge headline juxtaposition” practice, here’s tonight’s heh-worthy one:

    “CIA SHOT HIM IN HEAD; BIN LADEN IS DEAD…”
    “WE GOT HIM!”
    “BIN LADEN ANNOUNCEMENT CAME IN THE MIDDLE OF TRUMP’S ‘CELEBRITY APPRENTICE’…”

    no one you know (8aaa17)

  147. Guts? I am glad he pulled the trigger, but for any CinC, this should have been an easy call. The military people have said to a person that the military would have gone in, approval or no.

    JD (318f81)

  148. ==The scene in front of the White House is surreal==

    Hey JD, remember those “doctors” in white lab coats on the WH lawn during the healthcare debate?

    elissa (459bad)

  149. They have long since lost the presumption of innocence, since a general’s son, tried to blow up Times Square, one wonders if that was the catalyst.

    narciso (79ddc3)

  150. Hey JD, remember those “doctors” in white lab coats on the WH lawn during the healthcare debate?

    Comment by elissa — 5/1/2011 @ 9:09 pm

    Wow. Hadn’t thought of that.

    At least one Bush-Cheney sign was spotted in the crowd, though, according to HA commenters. Good.

    no one you know (8aaa17)

  151. They keep showing the same footage over and over, with the live thing in the corner of the screen.

    JD (318f81)

  152. Boy this is a bad week for you chaps.

    Chris Hooten (24973f)

  153. Hey, you need Doctors?
    Call Madison, they have plenty of them with loose ethics, and who’ll soon be unemployed.

    AD-RtR/OS! (4eede7)

  154. daleyrocks/21:

    I’m puzzled. The normal meaning of “I call BS,” is that you are asserting I am making that up. Your assertion is based on a spelling used by your affiliate (and they used that on Fox 40, too, but only after several minutes of “Obama Bin Laden,” before eventually switching to “Osama Bin Laden.”)

    Either I am dishonest, you have miscommunicated, I have misunderstood, or you have not thought this through clearly and alleged dishonesty where there was none. I happen to know one of those options is untrue, but then that’s me talking. (This will be the last by me on this sub-issue.)

    –JRM

    JRM (cd0a37)

  155. After all the bad Trump jokes at the correspondents dinner, the timing is going to feed more comments about Obama trying to get at Trump in petty ways.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  156. Guts? I am glad he pulled the trigger, but for any CinC, this should have been an easy call. The military people have said to a person that the military would have gone in, approval or no.

    Should have been. But if he was the foreign policy leader I thought he was, he wouldn’t have done it.

    I think he is, basically, worse than I thought he would be on domestic policy (and I thought he would be bad), about as bad as I thought he would be on the atmospherics of foreign policy (terrible, with all the bowing and such), and far better than I thought possible regarding the war on terror, in terms of his actual actions (Gitmo is open, KSM will be tried there, this happened, and so on and so forth).

    Patterico (c218bd)

  157. I have to wonder if this result was delayed any by the Paks’ imprisonment of that State Dept. “contractor” a few months back for killing the two “street thugs” who tried to rob/kill him?

    I wonder if the strange degree of interest in shutting that “contractor” down was due to the operation to get OBL?

    I think we all have to swallow hard and give credit where credit is due.

    I’m glad Obama was willing to do what must be done, even if it is a bit risky (and honestly, only a bit. This is a difference in degree, not of kind, in how we already treat Pakistan and have for years). He’s fortunate that the GOP stands behind him on this kind of effort. Bush didn’t have democrats willing to do that for him. They were threatening impeachment for things like this.

    the bottom line is that OBL is dead, and Obama at the very least did not get in the way.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  158. Patterico, everywhere that Obama has been “better” than you expected, it is because he lacked the ability to carry out his own policy preferences – universally because of his ineffectual lobbying of Congress. He is “better” because of his poor leadership.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  159. Someone on HA reminded everyone that the first Pres. Bush had like a 90% approval rating in 1991 during the first Gulf War. Then the 1992 elections came.

    That was my immediate thought. The economy isn’t going to look pretty next year, not that it does right now.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (28546f)

  160. I hadn’t thought of the linkage between the CIA person who was arrested by Pakistan and the operation to get OBL in Islamabad. Its not impossible that there were connections given the widespread islamist extremist infestation that is ISI.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  161. Oh, it’s clear he hasn’t done all he WANTS to do.

    But then, that was true of Clinton as well.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  162. >the first Pres. Bush had like a 90% approval rating in 1991 during the first Gulf War. Then the 1992 elections came. Just saying.

    EXACTLY. And GHW Bush was done in by an economy that was downright robust compared to the present.

    ed zeppelin (a67e66)

  163. That celebration at the White House seems …. off.

    JD (318f81)

  164. I doubt if the Arab street will be impressed with our “demonstration”. We don’t even have a rage boy.

    elissa (459bad)

  165. That was my immediate thought. The economy isn’t going to look pretty next year, not that it does right now.

    That’s the thing, Bradley. What happens if this leads people to not be concerned about the war on terror, but just the economy? That actually hurts Obama, since he’s made the war on terror much less of an issue, by (cleverly?) being a neocon about that.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  166. JD, spit it out. Are you acusing the administration of sending their junior staffers outside to celebrate? Or are they OFA?

    elissa (459bad)

  167. I bet Kate and William are PISSED. That sound you hear is the thumpy thump thump of their inbred royal asses falling off a hundred magazine covers.

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  168. __________________________________

    but for any CinC, this should have been an easy call.

    Yea, to me it was a no-brainer. But Obama’s embrace of a minister who spouted off about 9-11 being this country’s “chickens coming home to roost” does make it easy to be cynical about what’s going through the current president’s mind at any given time.

    Mark (411533)

  169. I’m going to give Obama credit and my thanks for sending troops into a foreign country to kill our enemies.

    Somewhere deep beneath the loathing of things he dosnt understand or comprehend was a patriot

    This could have blown up into a crap storm had the operation failed

    Now if he would just quit while being ahead and not seek relection…

    EricPWJohnson (f7bf67)

  170. Elissa – nope. Seems like quarter beers at some georgetown bar spilled out into the street, or some local college frat party. It just seems off.

    JD (318f81)

  171. Sounds about right, elissa.

    PatAZ (81cf34)

  172. JD, well, bear in mind that it’s after midnight on a Sunday. The guys at the georgetown bar were likely the only people awake.

    I exaggerate, but only slightly.

    aphrael (fe2ce4)

  173. I don’t mind too much if they astroturfed the singing of the national anthem at the news Osama is dead.

    I mean, by all rights, that’s how I feel about it, but it’s Sunday night.

    I do wonder how many obnoxious references to this event come up when it’s time to debate foreign policy, Iran’s nuclear ambitions, Obama seeing Pakistan decay into collapse, or his ignoring Syria. We’ve seen dominoes falling with great potential in Libya and Egypt, too. I worry that legitimate attempts to discuss how to better handle these issues will be met with ‘I got Osama’.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  174. JD’s right – its not much of a celebration, and its mostly students and staffers

    Some horn honking here in Qatar

    EricPWJohnson (f7bf67)

  175. How shallow you think them, pikachu,

    narciso (79ddc3)

  176. quite so Mr. narciso

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  177. Goodnight, all. GOD BLESS you, and the actual people involved in this effort.

    JD (318f81)

  178. Dustin – to be fair, Pakistan’s decay into collapse has been going on for sometime, and there’s really very little we can do about it – and, to some degree, other compelling foreign policy objectives (bin Laden, the Taliban, Afghanistan) compel us to do things which worsen the situation.

    aphrael (fe2ce4)

  179. Comment by happyfeet — 5/1/2011 @ 9:23 pm

    Kate is a Royal only by marriage.
    And, William’s mother was, for all practical purposes, a commoner also – though very well connected.

    I actually think that they would appreciate this, as they can now enjoy their honeymoon in some degree of public privacy.

    AD-RtR/OS! (4eede7)

  180. Comment by happyfeet — 5/1/2011 @ 9:23 pm

    Well….given the relatively tame violence that was visited on Charles and Camilla just a couple of weeks ago, combined with the increasing number of radical Muslims in the UK (a staunch US ally as you know), combined with the threats apparently pouring in around the globe re: retaliation for this, I could be wrong but am guessing they have other things to think about right now besides magazine covers.

    no one you know (8aaa17)

  181. yes but in the UK you can be jolly well inbred without being born royal

    a “highly stratified society” they call it

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  182. That was some gutsy move by our elite special forces. It is fantastic that apparently no Americans were lost in the operation. ABC just said it was a 40 man operation that was helicoptered in and engaged in hand to hand combat. If true that’s a lot of men and fire power to manage and get out again.

    elissa (459bad)

  183. Here, we call it West Virginia (or, Arkansas)!

    AD-RtR/OS! (4eede7)

  184. I hope they send the After Action Reports to Jimmah so he can compare and contrast.

    AD-RtR/OS! (4eede7)

  185. AD–That was mean!!!!

    elissa (459bad)

  186. Yes, it was (which time?)!

    AD-RtR/OS! (4eede7)

  187. Small crowd in NYC also. Of course the old folk are in bed as I will be in minutes.

    Ag80 (6134b7)

  188. If you input the following coordinates (34° 09’17.64” N 73° 13’37.59” E) on Google Earth you will be taken to an interesting location in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

    Apparently we know how President Obama got his intelligence! Probably on the back nine…

    Nevyan (f2d0ba)

  189. ABC coverage is abysmal. I was watching because of storms in our area. Amapour is, well, a tool.

    Ag80 (6134b7)

  190. Well it stands to reason, most of the top AQ, the late Rabia, and Al Libi, KSM, Zubeydah were all caught in Pakistan,

    narciso (79ddc3)

  191. if Junior the Jug Eared said it, you know it’s a lie…

    and when are they going to prosecute those responsible for this horrible death for murder as they should, if it actually occurred.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  192. AD: Jimmah is still badmouthing us over in North Korea. Maybe they will hold him for ransom and we won’t pay it. Loved that comment.

    PatAZ (81cf34)

  193. Great day for America, give credit to Obama and US special forces why the hate fest on such a great day

    j garcia (cea1f9)

  194. garcia, what hate fest?

    It’s hateful to come in here and tell us we’re hating when we aren’t.

    But you’re right, it’s a great day for America. It’s not about Obama.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  195. We’re not at war with islam.

    WTF Obama?

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  196. It is so fitting that Osama bin Laden was killed on Holocaust Remembrance Day.

    Michael Ejercito (64388b)

  197. And of course Fidel Gluesniffer accused Bin Laden of spying for the US.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  198. Let me get this straight opposition to islam is anti-women you NOW harpies?

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  199. Well he’s probably with the Norwegian blue parrots as well,

    narciso (79ddc3)

  200. So how is being anti-islam,anti woman?

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  201. His body should be impaled on a spike cast from one of the girders of the World Trade Center, and put on display at Ground Zero.

    Michael Ejercito (64388b)

  202. Just heard the news.

    Excellent!

    Dave Surls (f312db)

  203. Bury him in a dog park where they can piss on him all day. Face down so he can see hell, naked, shaved and covered with pigs blood. While we’re at it let him be buried by Jews. No Islamic funeral for him. No 72 virgins either.

    Tanny O'Haley (12193c)

  204. Looks like Waterboarding KSM worked and lead to the intel possible for locating BinLaden. Didn’t Obama and Dems hammer Bush for Waterboarding? Now you can see why public civilian trial for KSM was silly. The intel would have been compromised.

    Dennis D (e0b996)


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