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4/18/2011

Is This “Race-Baiting”?

Filed under: General — Stranahan @ 8:03 pm



[Guest post by Lee Stranahan]

I believe that if the guy they are yelling at was revealed to be Clarence Thomas, many people on the left would justify this behavior.

– Lee Stranahan

117 Responses to “Is This “Race-Baiting”?”

  1. It is not race baiting when a Liberal does it.

    Torquemada (fccc6f)

  2. It is not race-baiting. It is stupid. Stupid is ambivalent.

    Ag80 (6134b7)

  3. Wow, Lee. This is amazingly racist.

    Where’s Big Median? He said a lot of other similar attacks were not racist in a recent thread. Of course, this is plainly extremely racist. These attacks make no sense if directed at a white person. They make direct reference to someone’s race, with the argument that this race has an obligation to stand with democrats. I guess it’s irony that they then condemn this free thinking black person as a house slave of Koch.

    This has the feel of a desperate measure, so it’s disturbing to see people do this in a little band of thugs. Hopefully these displays are widely enough publicized that blacks reconsider what they have been told about politics from race hustlers.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  4. I think I put a link to this in another thread this weekend. The other clips from this same event are every bit as bad.

    JD (318f81)

  5. These are big median’s friends.

    JD (318f81)

  6. Torq says it can’t be race-baiting if a liberal does it.
    Ag80 says it is not race-baiting, just stupid.

    Hence, if a liberal does it, it’s just stupid.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  7. Imagine if the target of this kind of smear was a member of the Congressinal Black Caucus. Let’s say, Andre Carson, for example. Tis is the kind of proof Andre should be able to show for the baseless smears the Left fabricated against those that opposed ObarckyCare.

    Now, compare and contrast the coverage by the MFM of the fabricated claims from the leftists like Carson, as opposed to the very clear evidence of leftists being objectively racist.

    JD (318f81)

  8. nothing to see here….

    Chris (eafa5f)

  9. Obviously some of the comments of the one or two obscure, anonymous, fringe protestors speaking in the clip could accurately described as racist in the broader sense of that much abused term. But so could the statements: “Blacks make good basketball players.” Or, “A lot of great American musicians are black.” Or, “Some of my best friends are black.” However, all these comments, like those by the obscure, anonymous fringe protestors in the clip, are not aligned against black economic, political or cultural interests, as defined by consensus of black political leaders and civic organizations. So they aren’t racist in any sense that matters to black people and those who support them politically.
    The fact that Lee is either unwilling or unable to acknowledge this distinction is surely a reason for black people to seek an explanation of his motives. Maybe he’s just not that sophisticated or knowledgeable and/or hasn’t spent any time talking to black people. I wouldn’t know, but it’s obvious he has no idea how real racism works and doesn’t work.
    The protestors don’t say anything to denigrate the man because of his race, in fact, they make clear they are denigrating him IN SPITE of his race and that they are calling him a traitor to his race. They may be dead wrong, but they are not racist in any meaningful sense of the word, ie in any way that black people themselves would find offensive. The protestors are not in any way attributing negative characteristics of any ethnic group onto this individual. In fact, they are doing precisely the opposite: they are pointing out this his political views run AGAINST the majority within his ethnic group. In that sense, their comments are the polar opposite of bigoted. They emphasize the man’s individuality and single that individual characteristic out for criticism.
    Is the book “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” racist? Is Eddie Murphy racist? By the standards Lee sets they certainly are, as are Mark Twain’s books and many other great, liberal classics celebrated by black and white people the world over. But this kind of racism is meaningless and culturally inert.

    Big Median (2f532a)

  10. BM-apropos.

    Chris (eafa5f)

  11. Your mom forgot to give you your cheetos again?

    And I like how when someone calls another black guy a self loathing N-word for voting for a repub your there to defend them.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  12. This was for big scumedian.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  13. hahaha, is Big Median serious? This is just too much to believe. he’s defending this?

    n fact, they are doing precisely the opposite: they are pointing out this his political views run AGAINST the majority within his ethnic group. In that sense, their comments are the polar opposite of bigoted. They emphasize the man’s individuality and single that individual characteristic out for criticism.

    They say he’s on the Koch plantation because he somehow, vaguely, isn’t in lock step. They say he’s a race traitor. That isn’t bigoted? Are you freaking insane?

    The word “bigoted” means animosity to different beliefs. They are hostile to this person specifically because of the color of his skin. These comments were not offered at any of the white skinned people around him.

    You are truly a sad individual. I guess we have video proof that racism is alive and well in the democrat party, but you’re just as sick as what’s in the video.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  14. Obviously some of the comments of the one or two obscure, anonymous, fringe protestors

    Wait… did you watch the video? There are three people, and they aren’t that obscure, and they sure as hell aren’t going to be anonymous. Why one or two people? Is that because you don’t think the black man can be racist?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  15. . So they aren’t racist

    Because they agree with big liar. Showing that the terms racist has become absolutely meaningless.

    Obscure, anonymous, fringe – this was predictable, no? When it comes from a leftist, it is not racist, and even if it is, it was the views of some unimportant individual, who does not speak for anyone but themselves. When the shoe is on th other foot, the imaginary actions of an anonymous obscure fringe individual speaks to the great message of the racisms rampant on the right, and amongst conservatives.

    JD (318f81)

  16. Fits with above. You see, they aren’t heckling him because he is Black, but because he is a Conservative. It’s not stereotyping to say all blacks should be libs, it’s just telling the truth. Why is that so hard to understand???

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  17. BM is just playing games, folks. I think we all know this. But I am loving his comment that it is okay to harass someone in an identity group who has ideas that run counter to the majority within that group.

    BM is white, I am pretty sure. And he supports Obamacare and higher taxes. Which puts him, ahem, in the minority.

    So it is fine to call him names—and remember, he has decried this comments section for treating his nonmajority opinion poorly.

    Hypocrisy? That seems too small a word for his game playing. I recommend we don’t call him “BM,” but “Metamucil.” Because he sure drops…well, you get the idea.

    I’m glad that he made it okay to give a bad time to people who have ideas counter to the majority within a group.

    Like posters on this site.

    Simon Jester (603e7c)

  18. When the shoe is on th other foot, the imaginary actions of an anonymous obscure fringe individual speaks to the great message of the racisms rampant on the right, and amongst conservatives.

    Yep, it’s pretty amazing that this guy can see racism based on dog whistles at best, and mere ‘he disagrees with these policies that 90% of blacks agree to’, but if you show him real racism… why, that’s just not clear enough. It means nothing.

    Truth is that these are probably college students at UW. They are sure enough in their bigotry that they have no shame to scream it in a huge public forum. The real problem isn’t that there are bigots so much as the fact this bigotry is welcomes by a political stripe. Where’s Eric Holder? It’s time to have a conversation about racism.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  19. Dustin – their idea of a conversation about racism is to call you a racist, then discuss why conservatives like you are so effin racist.

    JD (318f81)

  20. I think this was at Oregon, Dustin, but it doesn’t really matter, does it?

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  21. “The word “bigoted” means animosity to different beliefs.”

    No, we have animosity toward, say, necrophilia, and white supremacy, and that by no means makes us bigots.

    Bigotry involves attributing negative behaviors of individuals to entire groups. It would be bigoted to say blacks aren’t smart enough to make it into Harvard. It would not be bigoted to call an individual black at Harvard who works to promote an all-white fraternity that excludes blacks an Uncle Tom.
    Maybe the protestors in the clip are wrong: Maybe the Tea Party doesn’t work against the interests of blacks. But that still wouldn’t make the protestors’ comments racist in any meaningful sense.

    All this just underscores that the conservatives commenting on this thread are utterly unable to relate to the black experience of oppression. They don’t understand how the essential role political and economic power plays in setting the terms for that experience. They don’t understand either because they don’t care to, or don’t know how.

    Big Median (2f532a)

  22. No, we have animosity toward, say, necrophilia, and white supremacy, and that by no means makes us bigots.

    OK, so you’re not very clear on the term.

    A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own or intolerant of people of political views, different ethnicity, race, class, religion, or gender.

    so you’re just totally wrong about the most basic thing. Why didn’t you just google the term? I checked four dictionaries… you would have to be pretty dishonest not to admit your mistake here.

    Maybe the protestors in the clip are wrong: Maybe the Tea Party doesn’t work against the interests of blacks. But that still wouldn’t make the protestors’ comments racist in any meaningful sense.

    They think his race determines his traits. It’s racist. He’s being treated differently for his failure to march with the trait the racists claim blacks must have to not be a house negro. And the entire exchange is a long racial slur, to boot.

    But I see you’re tossing a lot of weasel words in your clumsy and strained comment, so I guess you already know you’re completely wrong. Oh, and you’re racist.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  23. Shorter big liar – I tell lies about you, and when you Serbs yourself, it shows how disconnected you AR from what I accused you of, thus proving my accusations to be true.

    JD (318f81)

  24. Serbs?! I typed defend.

    Regardless, big median is just making shlt up.

    JD (318f81)

  25. Dustin, this troll isn’t even clever. I mean:

    “…Bigotry involves attributing negative behaviors of individuals to entire groups….”

    Um. Like some of the things he has posted about people on the Right?

    What a maroon, as Bugs Bunny would say.

    Simon Jester (603e7c)

  26. Now Big Median is going for self-parody.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  27. Um. Like some of the things he has posted about people on the Right?

    Yes, Simon, even by big median’s extremely weaselly definition, he is a bigot against conservatives. And by the more legitimate definition, he is a bigot.

    But then, you’re right that he’s not that clever or worth my time.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  28. My guess is that the Cheetohs line is pretty accurate, Dustin. Remember that guy who wrote a death threat to Ann Althouse? Turns out he was some unemployed dishwasher living at home, fighting the power from his mother’s basement.

    Trustifarians at best.

    Simon Jester (603e7c)

  29. here is the song for to hear I was thinking of south texas again

    happyfeet (760ba3)

  30. ____________________________________________

    The protestors don’t say anything to denigrate the man because of his race, in fact, they make clear they are denigrating him IN SPITE of his race and that they are calling him a traitor to his race.

    Your rationalizations and excuse-making are so ridiculous they border on both the laughable and absurd. You’re the reason why I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch to muse that if 90-plus percent of black America suddenly became truly moderate to conservative instead of liberal, a lot of “progressives” would start pining for the days of Jim Crow and “separate but equal.”

    I do say that with flippancy and sarcasm, but, per below, at the same time I don’t believe I’m exaggerating too much. That’s because I’m also quite aware of just how hollow is the humaneness of liberalism—which generally begins in a person’s earlier, formative years.

    Reason.com, December 2006:

    The people who give the least are the young, especially young liberals. [Public policy professor Arthur C.] Brooks writes that “young liberals — perhaps the most vocally dissatisfied political constituency in America today — are one of the least generous demographic groups out there.

    He writes that young liberals are less likely do nice things for their nearest and dearest, too. Compared with young conservatives, “a lower percentage said they would prefer to suffer than let a loved one suffer, that they are not happy unless the loved one is happy, or that they would sacrifice their own wishes for those they love.”years.

    Mark (411533)

  31. n fact, they are doing precisely the opposite: they are pointing out this his political views run AGAINST the majority within his ethnic group. In that sense, their comments are the polar opposite of bigoted. They emphasize the man’s individuality and single that individual characteristic out for criticism.

    Hmm but since their ire stems from his failing to live up to their preconceptions that a person of his ethncity should act in a specific way BECAUSE of this ethnicity, does that not PROVE they are bigots??

    Dan Kauffman (623f5c)

  32. If blacks became conservative they would be called sell-outs.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  33. “should act in a specific way BECAUSE of this ethnicity”
    That’s directly disproven by the fact they are there to protest AGAINST the Tea Party. They’ve established beyond doubt that they oppose the Tea Party ideology so it’s equally clear that they oppose the individual BECAUSE OF HIS VIEWS, not because of his race.
    If they had come there to support the Tea Party, then singled out the black guy for abuse because he supported the Tea Party, that would be racist.
    They are merely calling attention to the specific consequences of supporting the Tea Party in his particular case, ie as a black person.

    Big Median (2f532a)

  34. ________________________________________

    All this just underscores that the conservatives commenting on this thread are utterly unable to relate to the black experience of oppression.

    So sayeth the limousine liberal—and one does not have to be wealthy to be guilty of that type of phony, two-faced behavior.

    “I protest oppression and racism!!”

    Oh, but you want me to send my own precious children to that school with the, er, uh, 85% African-American student enrollment!? Um, er, ahem, uh. And the fact I’d rather not send my kids to a school with a most Latino student body? That’s purely happenstance and totally irrelevant!”

    “I say down with bigotry!

    You want me to travel to THAT neighborhood at night, or even during the day?! Uh, er, um, I’d rather not. The fact it’s also predominantly African-American? That’s just an odd coincidence!”

    “I embrace diversity and affirmative action!!

    As a wonderful do-gooder progressive in the Hollywood community, as a loyal, staunch registered Democrat — and a proud supporter of our wonderful President Obama — the fact that when I’m casting for a TV show or movie, I often steer clear of a lot of applicants who happen to be of a, uh, er, um, certain racial background is purely coincidental!!”

    “I’m a strong opponent of bigotry towards minorities, including gays! I loathe the unfair, mean attitudes expressed towards the GLBT community by all the horrible bible-toting conservatives in America!!

    When I saw my teenage son kissing another boy in the backyard the other day, I felt oddly queasy and uncomfortable! The reason? I must be coming down with the flu.”

    Mark (411533)

  35. Not very good self-parody.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  36. Yeah but yet Big median defends and is probably good friends with muslims who treat gays like poop.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  37. big median is a bigot. He’s also a racist. Those are just facts, and nothing he says can be understood without analyzing this particular racist ‘progressive’ mindset.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  38. According to Big Median, black people have different needs than other Americans because they are black rather than because they are American. The lack of specificity is troubling, however.

    “All this just underscores that the conservatives commenting on this thread are utterly unable to relate to the black experience of oppression.”

    Evidence supporting this comment would be welcome as well as its relevance to the bigoted commentary in the video embedded in the post.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  39. Exactly in a sane word Big Median would be exposed as a homophobe defending his islamocommie friends.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  40. _________________________________

    If blacks became conservative they would be called sell-outs.

    Quite seriously, if a magic wand could be waved over black America so that instead of it being 90-plus percent liberal/pro-Democrat-Party/leftist (per opinion polls going back decades), it suddenly became 90-plus percent truly centrist to conservative/Republican, I bet the socio-economic transformation of that part of society would be amazing. I bet various forms of pity-party dysfunction and self-destructive foolishness associated with a weird lack of common sense would start to subside and dissipate. It would be analogous to letting in a bright ray of sunshine.

    BTW, even though I’m of the right, I wouldn’t necessarily be comfortable if any community I was aligned with — in terms of its racial, ethnic, religious, social-cultural background, etc — were 90-plus percent conservative. I obviously would rather have that than the opposite extreme. But I also believe that a glaring lack of socio-political balance — ie, where 80 to 90 percent of people tend to be either very liberal or very conservative — in any community isn’t healthy or normal.

    Mark (411533)

  41. chooses to generalize its own attributes. As a political philosophy, conservatism directly claims to apply to all classes, races and nationalities. It claims specific methods and specific consequences.
    Therefore it is neither bigoted nor small-minded in any way to draw conclusions about the character of conservatives, because their ideology is both specific and freely chosen. Just as it’s not bigoted in any way to draw conclusions about the character of pedophiles or fascists or Toby Keith fans.
    By contrast, religious faith lacks such specific ideology and behavior. It’s bigoted to say Christianity promotes child molestation, even though it is rampant among Catholic clergy, because there is no specific ideological concept within Christianity that can be reasonably linked to such behavior. Moreover, most adherents to mainline religions are born into it. And those who are not born into, choose it as a matter of spiritual choosing, ie God tells them to, so they can’t be held directly accountable for specific details of the ideology they are “saddled” with.
    The fact that Dustin misses this fundamental distinction demonstrates the extent to which he lacks a basic understanding of bigotry and how it works.

    Big Median (2f532a)

  42. Somebody needs a hug. It’s sad to get skooled so thoroughly.

    Simon Jester (603e7c)

  43. I kind of wonder how much Lava soap it takes to scrub all the Cheetohs dust from the hands of Metamucil here.

    Simon Jester (603e7c)

  44. freely chosen
    born into it
    spiritually chosen

    Hahahahaha

    Bring on the weasel words!

    Hey, people can freely choose to be victims as well.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  45. ‘But so could the statements: “Blacks make good basketball players.” Or, “A lot of great American musicians are black.” Or, “Some of my best friends are black.”’

    None of those statements are racist.

    Now, if you said black people are better basketball players because black people are just naturally better basketball players…that would be racist.

    Might be true too, for all we know.

    Racism, in this sense, means that you believe people can be organized into groups (races) and that members of said group have INHERENT traits (like being smart, a good basketball player, whatever).

    Dave Surls (973f02)

  46. Indeed, there are many varieties of racism, including the benign types, such as asserting black people are inherently, on average, better basketball players.
    Everyone’s racist to one degree or another and in one way or another: it’s part of the human condition.
    However some people’s racism is merely subconscious and not at all deliberate. Most Americans deliberately guard against unconscious racism, some more successfully than others. A few, however, embrace racism as a worldview and consciously take political positions on the basis of that, even if very few acknowledge it in public.
    If conservatives expect to win political support among ethnic and religious minorities, they better figure out how to isolate and neutralize the racists within their ranks and how to communicate that their support for white male political interests doesn’t come at the expense of ethnic and religious minority interests. Voting trends show they’ve failed miserably to do either of those since Reagan.

    Big Median (2f532a)

  47. Comment by Big Median — 4/18/2011 @ 8:55 pm
    9. Obviously some of the comments of the one or two obscure, anonymous, fringe protestors speaking in the clip could accurately described as racist in the broader sense of that much abused term.
    — Yeah, but don’t go out on a limb being definitive about it, or anything.

    But so could the statements: “Blacks make good basketball players.”
    — Actually, the terms “racist” and “truthful” are pretty much opposites.

    Or, “A lot of great American musicians are black.”
    — Jimi Hendrix, B.B. King, Muddy Waters, Prince, James Brown, Robert Johnson, the Reverend Al Green, Aretha Franklin, Tina Turner, the group Living Colour, Chuck Berry …

    Or, “Some of my best friends are black.”
    — Sometimes used as a defensive mechanism against false charges of racism, Yes.

    However, all these comments, like those by the obscure, anonymous fringe protestors in the clip, are not aligned against black economic, political or cultural interests, as defined by consensus of black political leaders and civic organizations. So they aren’t racist in any sense that matters to black people and those who support them politically.
    — The preceding was brought to you courtesy of The Apologist Primer.

    The fact that Lee is either unwilling or unable to acknowledge this distinction is surely a reason for black people to seek an explanation of his motives.
    — Yes, of course. By exposing an incidence of racism, Lee has revealed himself to be a racist. Brilliant! Thank You! [No, no, no . . . thank YOU!]

    Maybe he’s just not that sophisticated or knowledgeable and/or hasn’t spent any time talking to black people.
    — Patronize much?

    I wouldn’t know, but it’s obvious he has no idea how real racism works and doesn’t work.
    — You should’ve stopped at “I wouldn’t know,” genius!

    The protestors don’t say anything to denigrate the man because of his race, in fact, they make clear they are denigrating him IN SPITE of his race and that they are calling him a traitor to his race.
    — Yeah, well it’s a little bit difficult to claim no racial motive while SIMULTANEOUSLY specifying that the protestors are focusing like a laser beam on race.

    They may be dead wrong, but they are not racist in any meaningful sense of the word, ie in any way that black people themselves would find offensive.
    — Is the ‘they did not INTEND to criticize on the basis of race, therefore they are innocent no matter how harmful their words actually were’ defense?

    The protestors are not in any way attributing negative characteristics of any ethnic group onto this individual. In fact, they are doing precisely the opposite: they are pointing out this his political views run AGAINST the majority within his ethnic group.
    — No “negative characteristics” there. No siree! [eye roll]

    In that sense, their comments are the polar opposite of bigoted. They emphasize the man’s individuality and single that individual characteristic out for criticism.
    — By singling him out for criticism based on the fact that (as you yourself stated) “his political views run AGAINST the majority within his ethnic group”. Maybe you should hire an outside copy editor.

    Is the book “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” racist?
    — Huh?

    Is Eddie Murphy racist?
    — Yes, sometimes.

    By the standards Lee sets they certainly are, as are Mark Twain’s books and many other great, liberal classics celebrated by black and white people the world over.
    — Deflection and apples-to-oranges comparisons. *Yawn* So predictable.

    But this kind of racism is meaningless and culturally inert.
    — So, at the very end you both acknowledge AND dismiss as “meaningless” the racism displayed in that video. Hey, just so you know, the Reverend Al (as well as Dr. Cornell West) wish for you to remember that NO form of racism, whether aggresive or passive (or imaginary) is EVER “meaningless”.

    Icy Texan (cb089c)

  48. Icy says: “specifying that the protestors are focusing like a laser beam on race.”

    No, read it again. I repeatedly made clear that the counter-protesters in the clip were speaking against the man’s political views, not his race. They were clearly, incontrovertibly taking him to task for holding political views that they believe run counter to the interests of his race as a group. You can disagree with their analysis, but there’s no logic by which their comments are racist — other than by the absolute broadest definition of the term: that any reference to race is racist.

    Big Median (2b1825)

  49. I repeatedly made clear that the counter-protesters in the clip were speaking against the man’s political views, not his race

    Because “Uncle Tom” refers specifically to a person’s politics

    I mean, I can’t even begin to tell you how many times I’ve been called an “Uncle Tom” while advocating for libertarian principles…

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  50. I know what Michael Eric Dyson would say about it:

    “That wasn’t race baiting, that was a code word for a political traitor.”

    “Well, the guy who said that was a white liberal who voted for Obama, so it couldn’t be racist.”

    Jack (f9fe53)

  51. Remember, big liar is doing the contortionist defense that allows those he agrees with to say anything they wish without consequence, but he gets to determine subconscious racism in his political opponents, and they are assumed to be racist, and have a higher burden of proof where they have to prove that they are not. His passive-aggressive mendoucheous attitude was tiresome from it’s first lying comment.

    Why pedophiles, fascists, and Toby Keith fans?

    Can to demonstrate the rampant child molestation amongst the Catholic clergy? This is a particularly tiresome canard of the leftist twatwaffles, and this one stated it as existing currently.

    The idea that a lying sack of shlt like big median, a proven liar, could be so presumptuous to think he could teach us something about the concept of bigotry, beyond which he has demonstrated by himself, is laughable. This pompous pedantic arrogant f@cker does not have the intellectual or rhetorical chops, it is swinging out of it’s class.

    JD (318f81)

  52. “I repeatedly made clear …” when big liar says that, he means he lied, a lot.

    JD (318f81)

  53. It’s only racism if a conservative says it.

    In fact conservatives say only racist things.

    There you go, Big Median, I’ve written down what
    you really want to say.

    Jack (f9fe53)

  54. “Because “Uncle Tom” refers specifically to a person’s politics.”

    Exactly!

    The protesters obviously have no objection to black people in general, since one of them is indeed black. There criticism is specific to the black individual and specifically references his “Uncle Tom” politics, not his race.

    Perhaps the protesters are wrong. Perhaps the Tea Party does not represent white interests at the expense of blacks. If so, the protesters are wrong, but not bigoted or racist in any derogatory way.

    Big Median (2b1825)

  55. Big liar and Jalen Rose seem to think they get to redefine terms like Uncle Tom to suit their needs. Uncle Tom is a very specific derogatory term used towards blacks. Period. End of story. It has no political component to it, and people like big liar only serve to provide rhetorical cover to those that they agree with behaving badly, at the expense of honesty and the English language.

    JD (318f81)

  56. As an old buddy of some here, Ric Locke, might observe, there is a kernal of truth in the lie that Big Median is trying to push. That kernal is that, often, the slur “Uncle Tom” is used in a charged political context.

    But, Big Median, the rest of your assertion is, at best gibberish.

    That slur specifically is often used to taunt black folks that aren’t in lockstep accord with the accepted political agenda that is expected of a loyal Democrat voting bloc. The assertion is that the person is somehow “inauthentic”, or a “race traitor”, and somehow lending aid and comfort to what is broadly brushed as the “race’s” adversaries. It’s just another variation on the admonition regarding the poor fyover rubes not being smart enough to vote in their “economic interests”…

    Trying to somehow contrive it to be anything other than a racially driven remark is as disingenuous as the assertion that it can’t be racist because another black person is uttering the insult, when it is exactly the sort of slur one person of color would use to insult another.

    Bob Reed (5f2db5)

  57. Big Robert Byrd is just trying to justify the left’s racism since he thinks all blacks think the same and if they don’t they are not smart enough to breathe.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  58. There[sic] criticism is specific to the black individual and specifically references his “Uncle Tom” politics, not his race.

    The fact that this seems to make sense to you is troubling. How is “Uncle Tom politics” not about race?

    ∅ (e7577d)

  59. No, read it again. I repeatedly made clear that the counter-protesters in the clip were speaking against the man’s political views, not his race.

    No, read your own words. You said they were calling him a “race traitor” because of his political views. That implies that he should hold different views because of his race.

    Some chump (4c6c0c)

  60. this is precisely worse than the kind of behavior that has been used to tar the tea party with the R word.

    happily, the R word has lost all meaning because it is used so much and so freely.

    quasimodo (4af144)

  61. RACISTS !!!

    Denounced. Denounced and condemned.

    JD (9a3313)

  62. Remember uncle tom is not a racist word but criticizing maobama is.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  63. _______________________________________

    If conservatives expect to win political support among ethnic and religious minorities, they better figure out how to isolate and neutralize the racists within their ranks and how to communicate that their support for white male political interests doesn’t come at the expense of ethnic and religious minority interests.

    It’s hilarious because you conveniently leave out the ideological biases of people, regardless of their race or ethnicity, etc.

    You truly are the type I’m thinking of when I mull over (and toy with) the following question:

    If one had the choice between a government (eg, the local city hall or state government) being 100% black or Latino and truly conservative or 100% white/Anglo and truly liberal, which option would you favor?

    I know some rightists (certainly the bigoted ones) would pause, cringe and then select the latter. But I bet far more “progressives” would immediately shudder at such a hypothetical and then quickly, immediately choose the latter. All while coming up with some nonsensical, twisted, tap-dancing definition of “racist” and “bigot.”

    BTW, I define those words (or certainly “bigot” or “bigoted”) as meaning a vindictive, petty, juvenile reaction towards people due to their racial or ethnic background. Or a reaction full of condescending emotion, in which a person’s outer characteristics dominate the response of the observer. For example: “I notice you’re a conservative, but I also notice to a greater degree you’re black. I therefore cannot help but label you an ‘Uncle Tom’!!”

    Mark (411533)

  64. __________________________________________

    I mean, I can’t even begin to tell you how many times I’ve been called an “Uncle Tom” while advocating for libertarian principles…

    Scott, your being a part of the 10% or less of the black community that leans to the right must make you a noticeable outlier, and rather lonely, at times. You truly must be (pardon the pun) the “black sheep” of the family.

    Mark (411533)

  65. If conservatives expect to win political support among ethnic and religious minorities, they better figure out how to isolate and neutralize the racists within their ranks and how to communicate that their support for white male political interests doesn’t come at the expense of ethnic and religious minority interests. Voting trends show they’ve failed miserably to do either of those since Reagan.

    I have yet to figure out what “white male political interests” are.

    Gerald A (8e99c8)

  66. They are what big liar opposes.

    JD (9a3313)

  67. We’re all waaaaaaaacists do the world a favor please

    Big Moron and drop dead.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  68. People can legitimately disagree on policy for many reasons–but why do some people think it is their business to presume and then publicly chastise specific adult individuals for the reason that their political and economic positions run counter to their own self-interest? Why do liberals seem to feel entitled to do that? How can YOU possibly know what my situation is, what my values are, and what is in MY best interest? Answer: You can’t. How arrogant. How demeaning. How appallingly uncharitable to essentially accuse another human being of being too stupid to know what his own self interest comprises. And using that ploy to intimidate is even worse. The phrase Uncle Tom used in today’s society is equally as racist and almost more chilling than the N word. The people acting out in the video make me sick.

    elissa (4cc08f)

  69. That just shows your unconscious racisms, Elissa.

    JD (9a3313)

  70. elissa – You are just a typical white person, I think.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  71. Scott, your being a part of the 10% or less of the black community that leans to the right must make you a noticeable outlier, and rather lonely, at times. You truly must be (pardon the pun) the “black sheep” of the family.

    It is made worse by the fact that I’m white (thus my sarcasm about being called an Uncle Tom was to illustrate how it IS a term based solely on race)…

    Scott Jacobs (98018d)

  72. “It is made worse by the fact that I’m white”

    Scott – But I know you are down with the struggle, brotha!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  73. And by they I meant islam.

    Just want to clear up my post in the S&P thread.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  74. Big Media’s obfuscations actually contain a grain of truth, in that he admits that calling a black man “Uncle Tom” (or similar slurs such as “oreo”) is the equivalent of a KKK member calling a white person a race traitor (or a “n***er lover”, for more accurate vernacular). In other words, it may not be racism directed at the black man it is directed at, but it certainly *is* a manifestation of the racism of the speaker against white people (or presumably any other racial group that isn’t onboard with his political agenda). Nice of him to admit it.

    MSE (05f8d0)

  75. Uncle Tom definition

    1 “a black who is overeager to win the approval of whites (as by obsequious behavior or uncritical acceptance of white values and goals)”

    If you you use the word in that sense, then you’re being racist.

    2 “a member of a low-status group who is overly subservient to or cooperative with authority ”

    If you’re using the term in that sense, then you’re not being racist.

    The other meaning (besides the one I already gave) of the word racist is someone who discriminates on the basis of race (irregardless of what you believe). If you have a special term for black people, that only applies to members of the so-called black race, then you’re discriminating on the basis of race, and…that’s racist.

    Dave Surls (dacc3d)

  76. Comment by Big Median — 4/18/2011 @ 9:27 pm
    Bigotry involves attributing negative behaviors of individuals to entire groups.
    — Ya know, when you can’t even get this one right (as in: the difference between bigotry and stereotyping) it might be hard for anyone to credit anything else that you say.

    It would be bigoted to say blacks aren’t smart enough to make it into Harvard. It would not be bigoted to call an individual black at Harvard who works to promote an all-white fraternity that excludes blacks an Uncle Tom.
    — But what about the He-Man Woman haters Club, or Al Bundy’s No M.A.A.M.?

    Maybe the protestors in the clip are wrong
    — Gee, do ya think? Well, do ya?

    Maybe the Tea Party doesn’t work against the interests of blacks.
    — Since what they’re working for is liberty & opportunity for all Americans, that’s a pretty safe bet.

    But that still wouldn’t make the protestors’ comments racist in any meaningful sense.
    — So, it’s only racist in a “boys will be boys” sense?

    All this just underscores that the conservatives commenting on this thread are utterly unable to relate to the black experience of oppression.
    — Sure. Blacks and whites are sooo different that there will ALWAYS have to be special consideration and compensation for blacks; right?

    They don’t understand how the essential role political and economic power plays in setting the terms for that experience. They don’t understand either because they don’t care to, or don’t know how.
    — Right. Politics and government policies don’t really affect white people; is that it?

    Icy Texan (cb089c)

  77. Comment by Big Median — 4/18/2011 @ 10:23 pm
    it’s equally clear that they oppose the individual BECAUSE OF HIS VIEWS, not because of his race.
    — As demonstrated by the comments themselves, nearly every one of which MENTIONS HIS RACE. Look, either they are calling the Tea Party ‘racist’ or they are labeling the man they are yelling at a ‘race-traitor’. Or both. You cannot spin your way out of this.

    If they had come there to support the Tea Party, then singled out the black guy for abuse because he supported the Tea Party, that would be racist.
    — Which has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this discussion, since they obviously are there to protest against the Tea Party.

    They are merely calling attention to the specific consequences of supporting the Tea Party in his particular case, ie as a black person.
    — That consequence being lambasted by the so-called “progressive” champions of minority rights and the minority class? Good thing that the new civility is taking hold on the left.

    Icy Texan (cb089c)

  78. I don’t think this is so much racist as it is *tribal*. The objection is that the dude is a member of a particular tribe, owes that tribe his loyalty, and has betrayed it.

    Would it be any different if it were a bunch of Irish protestants taunting a known protestant for supporting unification of northern ireland and ireland?

    Racism comes into play because the presumption is that he’s a member of the tribe *because of his race*. But … ISTM that, as racism goes, that’s about as benign a form of racism as you can get.

    aphrael (fe2ce4)

  79. Comment by Big Median — 4/18/2011 @ 10:59 pm
    42. chooses to generalize its own attributes. As a political philosophy, conservatism directly claims to apply to all classes, races and nationalities. It claims specific methods and specific consequences.
    — Don’t you hate when you walk into the middle of a pointless rant?

    Therefore it is neither bigoted nor small-minded in any way to draw conclusions about the character of conservatives, because their ideology is both specific and freely chosen.
    — Faux intellectualism is just so pathetic. A false conclusion is still false; a stereotype is still a stereotype.

    Just as it’s not bigoted in any way to draw conclusions about the character of pedophiles or fascists or Toby Keith fans.
    — And that statement was just as silly as the previous one.

    By contrast, religious faith lacks such specific ideology and behavior.
    — Right. Nothing structured, ritualistic or filled with moral proscriptions to be found in something like religion.

    It’s bigoted to say Christianity promotes child molestation, even though it is rampant among Catholic clergy, because there is no specific ideological concept within Christianity that can be reasonably linked to such behavior.
    — Please feel free to pass this on to Bill Maher and other like-minded liberal comedians and commentators.

    Moreover, most adherents to mainline religions are born into it. And those who are not born into, choose it as a matter of spiritual choosing, ie God tells them to, so they can’t be held directly accountable for specific details of the ideology they are “saddled” with.
    — How ‘equal opportunity’ of you to absolve (there’s a religious term for ya!) people of faith from the sin of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

    The fact that Dustin misses this fundamental distinction demonstrates the extent to which he lacks a basic understanding of bigotry and how it works.
    — Self, meet mirror.

    Icy Texan (cb089c)

  80. Mark – I’d prefer the hypothetical all-white truly liberal government to the hypothetical all-minority truly conservative government; it would be truly liberal, after all.

    That said, I have a sufficiently hard time imagining either as a possibility that the thought experiment is basically meaningless in my book. 🙂

    aphrael (fe2ce4)

  81. Comment by Big Median — 4/19/2011 @ 2:15 am
    47. Indeed, there are many varieties of racism, including the benign types, such as asserting black people are inherently, on average, better basketball players.
    — Gad, what stupidity! Telling THE TRUTH is not a form of racism. Pointing out a statistical FACT, especially when it highlights a positive achievement, does not denigrate those that are being praised!

    Everyone’s racist to one degree or another and in one way or another: it’s part of the human condition.
    — Is there a point to that pointless statement?

    However some people’s racism is merely subconscious and not at all deliberate. Most Americans deliberately guard against unconscious racism, some more successfully than others. A few, however, embrace racism as a worldview and consciously take political positions on the basis of that, even if very few acknowledge it in public.
    — The answer to my previous question appears to be ‘No’.

    If conservatives expect to win political support among ethnic and religious minorities, they better figure out how to isolate and neutralize the racists within their ranks and how to communicate that their support for white male political interests doesn’t come at the expense of ethnic and religious minority interests.
    — I thought this thread was about the liberals crying ‘race-traitor’ in that video. Isn’t it?

    Voting trends show they’ve failed miserably to do either of those since Reagan.
    — The Democratic strategy of perpetual slavery under the yoke of government entitlements is very enticing.

    Icy Texan (cb089c)

  82. Comment by Big Median — 4/19/2011 @ 4:18 am
    I repeatedly made clear that the counter-protesters in the clip were speaking against the man’s political views, not his race.
    — Repeating that lie increases the truthiness of what you said by a factor of ZERO.

    They were clearly, incontrovertibly taking him to task for holding political views that they believe run counter to the interests of his race as a group.
    — Which, by your own definition, is in itself racist. In addition to which, THEY ARE WRONG!

    You can disagree with their analysis, but there’s no logic by which their comments are racist — other than by the absolute broadest definition of the term: that any reference to race is racist.
    — Their “analysis” is racist. They might as well be Kanye West at that Katrina benefit, looking directly at the camera and saying “George Bush doesn’t care about black people.”

    Icy Texan (cb089c)

  83. Racism comes into play because the presumption is that he’s a member of the tribe *because of his race*. But … ISTM that, as racism goes, that’s about as benign a form of racism as you can get.

    It’s actually pretty awful to demand a black man support welfare state politics, and if he doesn’t, he’s a race traitor. Why I find this so insidious has a lot to do with how proud these boys, white and black, are to show eachother that they are all pressuring blacks into supporting democrats.

    Racism and other bigotries (such as Big Median’s against conservatism) are ongoing problems with the human condition, but this version of it has a lot of cheerleaders hoping to stoke the flames endlessly, forever.

    I can’t be bothered to reply to every confused and illiterate thing this big median racist jackass has to say about me. His contradictions and unfairness seem thoroughly self refuting to me. There’s no way a white person or a conservative can win, because he keeps restacking the deck. It’s not possible to reason with racists like big median until they accept the fundamental flaw with racism. And I’ve learned the hard way that most of these people will fight very hard against that truth.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  84. Comment by Big Median — 4/19/2011 @ 6:04 am
    The protesters obviously have no objection to black people in general, since one of them is indeed black.
    — 1) It’s impossible for someone to be racist against his own race? Have you ever heard of the push to teach Ebonics? or the Justice Department forcing the lowering of standards for police dept exams? 2) Even if we accept your premise, how do you know the intent of the others in that video? 3) Their ‘objection’ is to the idea of a person of a specific race siding with a group whose ideology they oppose. That’s not racist? 4) Forget the 3 previous items; who in this group accused the people in that video of being racist? The question Patterico asks is “Is this ‘race-baiting’? Does that part not show up on your computer screen? Or are you so simplistic that you can’t distinguish between race-baiting and racism?

    There[sic] criticism is specific to the black individual and specifically references his “Uncle Tom” politics, not his race.
    — Nothing racial in the term “Uncle Tom”, no siree.

    Perhaps the protesters are wrong.
    — Mighty generous of you to pretend to see another side to this issue.

    Perhaps the Tea Party does not represent white interests at the expense of blacks. If so, the protesters are wrong, but not bigoted or racist in any derogatory way.
    — Tilt at windmills much?

    Icy Texan (cb089c)

  85. ==The objection is that the dude is a member of a particular tribe, owes that tribe his loyalty, and has betrayed it.==

    I find it utterly fascinating that the “dude” doesn’t get to decide for himself what tribee he’s a member of and associates with. But it’s totally OK for onlookers to harass him based on the tribe they think he should be a member of.

    elissa (4cc08f)

  86. Seriously, reading or listening to insufferable asses who attempt moral superiority is tiresome and somewhat degrading to their victims.

    If BM has a friend, which I doubt, it is probably trying to figure out a way to climb out of the pit once it can get the shackles off.

    Ag80 (6134b7)

  87. Elissa: of course he gets to determine that for himself. But the fact that I am entitled to my own choices does not mean that others are never going to be unhappy and disappointed in my choices; and it does not mean that others don’t have the right to express that. I then get to choose whether I’m going to let their expression of their unhappiness control my choices – if I am willing, in a way, to cede them the right to control my actions because of their assertion of tribal cohesion.

    This is a natural human process; it even serves a reasonable purpose. Shame is often a greater regulator of behavior than punishment, and it works via basically the same mechanism.

    The real problem here is the presumption of tribal membership based on race. And, yes, that’s racist. But it seems to me to be a smaller sin to assume someone is part of the same group that i’m in because of a shared characteristic than it is to assume someone is less skilled/qualified/deserving/human than I am because of a different characteristic. Both are bad; one is a larger evil than the other. Unfortunately our language does a bad job of differentiating them.

    aphrael (fe2ce4)

  88. But it seems to me to be a smaller sin to assume someone is part of the same group that i’m in because of a shared characteristic than it is to assume someone is less skilled/qualified/deserving/human than I am because of a different characteristic.

    Maybe. I can’t say. I think they are closely related. I posted a different video a few days ago where a similar group asked a black conservative if he had a bunch of kids he had abandoned.

    The ugly truth is that some think democrats serve ‘black’ interests because they support more welfare or planner parenthood or the like. There’s an unstated premise that blacks rely on unemployment or need more abortions. Sure, one might point to some stat that shows this to be the case, but in my opinion, that reality was created by political pressure on blacks.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  89. I posted a different video a few days ago where a similar group asked a black conservative if he had a bunch of kids he had abandoned.

    Words fail me.

    I mean, really. I can’t think of a single thing to say in response to that; it’s so far out of the realm of what seems reasonable to me that I can’t grasp the concept.

    aphrael (fe2ce4)

  90. I guess I should acknowledge that there are plenty of democrats and lefties who just think a robust social welfare system is good for whites and blacks, and don’t see blacks and racially oriented towards them. There are democrats and lefties who see Clarence Thomas as a particularly principled and consistent Justice, with no thought to how dark his skin is.

    It’s just that those aren’t the guys who wind up being jerks on youtube, usually.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  91. Dustin: well, sure. those guys aren’t jerks, at least not in this way, and the jerk-on-youtube genre requires a certain amount of jerkiness to get in the door. 🙂

    my puzzling other people thing for the weekend: i had probably half a dozen people try to buy drugs from me over the weekend. i’m a white dude with short cropped hair and a horrible sunburn and my beard is graying in places. *why were they picking me to ask?*

    aphrael (fe2ce4)

  92. ___________________________________________

    It is made worse by the fact that I’m white (thus my sarcasm about being called an Uncle Tom was to illustrate how it IS a term based solely on race)…

    Oops, Scott. I took your comment at face value (do’h on me!). In not realizing your glibness should not be taken literally, for a moment there I thought you represented a refreshing change of pace among public bloggers.

    Any person who is not a liberal — regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, etc — is always a relief to me, a beacon of sanity in a world full of limousine liberalism. Any person who is not a liberal and, at the same time, is also non-white, non-Anglo is even more of a relief and very refreshing. It’s like finding a diamond in the rough.

    Mark (411533)

  93. ___________________________________________

    That said, I have a sufficiently hard time imagining either as a possibility that the thought experiment is basically meaningless in my book.

    But, aphrael, really take the time to ponder just how unhealthy it is — if not also abnormal too — for any community to be around 90-plus percent liberal/leftwing/pro-Democrat-Party. IOW, it’s often tough to find a similar lack of divergence in opinions/biases when dealing with most other subjects, be they favorite food, movies, sports, music, cars, recreation, hobbies, etc.

    The single-minded nature of political sentiment in a huge portion of people throughout black America is a major liability. I think it’s the single-most crucial reason why various shortcomings and weaknesses (certainly self-destructive ones) continue to roil that part of society.

    Mark (411533)

  94. Why do liberals make conservatives feel so put-upon?

    Big Median (2f532a)

  95. Why is big median such an aggressive dishonest lying race-baiter?

    JD (318f81)

  96. Why do liberals see every issue through a prism of race?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  97. I’m always happy when a wingnut pipes up around me. I enjoy watching them beclown themselves or, if the mood is right, helping them along the way. Sure, I see the harm wingnuttery does to the country, but I don’t feel threatened in any way by indiviuals who spew those views so much as I see it as an opportunity to educate them or, barring that, to have a little fun at their expense…
    Seems a lot of wingnuts live in fear of losing an argument to a liberal at a dinner party or something…

    Big Median (2f532a)

  98. Daleyrocks: I have a feeling your intellectual disabilities have no connection to your ethnic background, whatever it is. I rather suspect it has to do with being your being mistreated by peers in high school and/or by a deep sense of intellectual inadequacy…But that’s must a guess, of course…

    Big Median (2f532a)

  99. 95.Why do liberals make conservatives feel so put-upon?

    That’s your response to the fisking?

    Lame.

    Icy Texan (cb089c)

  100. And there, in numbers 98 & 99, we have the full-blown Yelverton retreat into ad hom/non sequitur spew.

    As predictable as the sun rising in the east.

    Icy Texan (cb089c)

  101. Icy: I thought you LOVED ad hom.

    Big Median (2f532a)

  102. This guy is Yelverton? How strange.

    I hope it’s not. It would be sad if MTSU has such a racist working for them. Quite embarrassing. This kook is defending racial slurs screamed by a pack of bullies.

    That’s much sadder than the fact that Beck lives rent free in his head, basically owning the loser.

    Is it worse if it’s actually a different person, or better? Do we want concentrated kooks, or several, less dedicated ones?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  103. “Why do liberals make conservatives feel so put-upon?”

    Probably has something to do with the fact that liberals always want to put their hands upon other folks’ wallets.

    Dave Surls (b58d01)

  104. Actually, his pattern is more suggestive of imdw: spouts talking points as opinion, repeat repeat repeat; then, when confronted mercilessly by his lies and hypocrisy, flips the switch, abandons trying to make a point, and goes for the full-frontal “you’re dumb” attack.

    Icy Texan (cb089c)

  105. “Why do liberals make conservatives feel so put-upon?”

    — Well, you know how it goes: liberals complain about conservatives attempting to impose their morality upon them; and we complain about your side attempting to impose immorality upon us.

    Icy Texan (cb089c)

  106. imdw did strike me as far nastier than this Yelverton kook, who frankly I just think is a clueless, harmless, deranged partisan.

    Anyway, my guess is that most of these people who seem to follow one or the others’ pattern is actually a completely different person. The reason they all seem to be the same guy is that most of them are repeating talking points like dumb parrots. They ones smart enough to think for themselves are categorically different.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  107. “But that’s must a guess, of course”

    Big Median – Nice try, but it’s pretty obvious here who has been displaying intellectually inadequacies on these threads, covering all the bases and not reaching any conclusions, redefining words to suit narratives, and back peddling like crazy.

    I’d say you’re a freshly indoctrinated progressive with virtually no real world experience, but that is just a guess.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  108. And Big Median, unlike you, I don’t care about your ethnic background, because it is not important to me. Your ideas are and you have not been able to persuade anybody on this blog with your circular reasoning and pretzel logic. If you ever get invited to a dinner party, I suggest you avoid taking on any conservatives. They’ll eat your lunch.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  109. __________________________________________

    “Why do liberals make conservatives feel so put-upon?”

    The liberal versus conservative angle interests me, in that most of those on the left believe their philosophy is rooted in worldliness, sophistication and wonderful kindness. But focusing on the racial angle again, and noting the 90-plus percent of black America that favors the left and is of the left, I’ve observed on far too many occasions some of the most obnoxious and rowdy (and truly unkind, and truly very unsophisticated) behavior on display among and between people who were African-American.

    I attended a public school years ago that went from being mostly white to increasingly black, and the level of rowdy, even deranged or psychotic, behavior started to soar. I’ve read about teachers in such environments suffering from so-called battle fatigue.

    This is merely another example that a lot of liberal sentiment doesn’t mean a damn thing when it comes to the compassion, humaneness and sophistication of a community or people. And when folks on the left have the audacity to accuse people on the right of being somehow not too intelligent, I must point out that an uncomfortably large percentage of black America (which, again, is 90-plus percent of the left) is not exactly famous for its academic high achievement.
    __________________________________________

    Mark (411533)

  110. I find people on the left care almost nothing about what people on the right think of them. Whereas, oddly, right wingers seem very concerned about what left wingers think of them.
    I think that’s because the victimhood meme is so central to the right…

    Big Median (2f532a)

  111. Mark: are you saying black people are rowdier than whites? Or am I missing your point. You sound a little confused…

    Big Median (2f532a)

  112. Comment by Big Median — 4/20/2011 @ 12:55 am
    111. I find people on the left care almost nothing about what people on the right think of them.
    — There. FTFY.

    I find people on the left care almost nothing about what people on the right think of them.
    — There. FTFY again!

    Whereas, oddly, right wingers seem very concerned about what left wingers think of them.
    — We say you’re wrong, you say we’re evil. Nope, no cause for concern there! Remember this the next time you’re having a discussion on the call for a ‘new civility’ that’s been advanced by your president.

    I think that’s because the victimhood meme is so central to the right…
    — Oookaay, college boy . . . time to put away the bong and hit the books.

    Icy Texan (6f6016)

  113. ==I’m always happy when a wingnut pipes up around me==

    BM, if you ever actually go out in public, please wear a name tag showing one of your various aliases. I’m sure many wingnuts people who regularly read this blog would absolutely love having the chance to “pipe up” around you.

    elissa (8c8d6e)

  114. “I find people on the left care almost nothing about what people on the right think of them.”

    Big Median – HaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!!!!!!!!11ty!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Then why are you here posting comments???????????

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  115. Big Median – What year do you expect to graduate, if ever?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  116. One more for Big Meds:
    111. I find people on the left care almost nothing about what people on the right think of them.

    — There. FTFY!

    Icy Texan (6f6016)


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