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3/15/2011

The Hate That Killed Hadas Fogel

Filed under: General — Aaron Worthing @ 6:36 am



[Guest post by Aaron Worthing; if you have tips, please send them here.]

We have had earthquakes, tidal waves, possible meltdowns (and that’s just at Charlie Sheen’s house), Libyan rebellions and even March Madness (the non-Sheen kind).  So some stories that have deserved to be talked about have been pushed by the wayside.  One of them is the story of Hadas Fogel.  Here is a picture of her:

And here is a picture of her body being taken from her house (source).

This beautiful three month old girl was murdered last Friday.  She was stabbed in the heart and decapitated while she slept.  And those who killed her killed four more members of her family, in their sleep, for the “crime” of being settlers.  Each of those murders were unjustified, but I am highlighting Hadas’ murder because the fact that she was a baby–probably not able to even walk yet–provides clarity.

It is fashionable in some circles to excuse Palestinian terrorism as being motivated by injustice.  But the intentional murder of Hadas Fogel, or Shalhevet Pass before her, cannot be justified by any appeal to a supposed injustice.  As I wrote a few months back:

[I]t’s important to remember the cruelty these “human rights advocates” engage in.  There is no reason to intentionally murder a baby, unless you believe that there is something about that child that makes him inherently evil.  They don’t kill Jews because of anything they have done to them.  They kill them out of irrational hate—simply because they are Jews.

The murder of babies gives lie to the claim that Palestinian terror is motivated in their violence by anything but jew hate, pure, simple and ugly.  And lest you think that this is an isolated incident, there is this:

Gaza residents from the southern city of Rafah hit the streets Saturday to celebrate the terror attack in the West Bank settlement of Itamar where five family members were murdered in their sleep, including three children.

Residents handed out candy and sweets, one resident saying the joy “is a natural response to the harm settlers inflict on the Palestinian residents in the West Bank.”

They cheered in Palestine on 9-11.  They cheered the murder of a baby on March 12, 2011.  This should awaken the conscience of the people of Palestine.  But instead their culture is this hateful—that they would celebrate the death of a baby, as though the baby did any harm to them at all.

Oh, and a memo to Canadian MP Justin Trudeau: the correct phrase isn’t “unacceptable.”  The correct phrase is “f–king barbaric.”

[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]

98 Responses to “The Hate That Killed Hadas Fogel”

  1. “barbaric” is too kind a word … no matter what modifier you use with it. it gives a bad name to the original barbarians.

    quasimodo (4af144)

  2. Good God. The news has been horrible lately. I’m starting to understand why a lot of people just give up and only pay attention to crap like Sheen or Dancing with the American Idol.

    It’s a major segment of a large culture on the same planet we’re on that cheers racist infanticide. Why is it Japan, a wonderful country, isn’t sitting on all the oil while the monsters are facing volcanoes and disasters?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  3. Dustin

    um, let’s not forget that if japan was sitting on oil, they might have won WWII.

    bluntly in that time period their culture was f–ing barbaric. read what they did at nanjing/nanking and you will be like commenter #1 who thinks there is no sufficient condemnation for the evil they perpetrated. the term “rape of nanjing” is not metaphorical.

    And what did we do as a response? We destroyed their religion. We don’t talk about it much but they used to believe their emperor was a living God, and as a term of the treaty we required him to denounce that claim. i suspect there is a little emperor worship still around, but it is a mostly dead religion and we done killed it.

    and today the japanese are such decent people that by all reports there has been virtually no looting. i mean crap in alot of cities if your team wins march madness there is looting. but these people are hungry and everything is a mess and for the most part, they are not looting.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  4. Religion of peace? Seriously?

    Torquemada (2a42d3)

  5. Quick, give those Palestinians a country! And lets keep sending them foreign aid, too.

    Jack (f9fe53)

  6. ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and the rest of the MSM are silent about this.

    Jim (3319ae)

  7. One of the most ironic concepts in the Religion of Hate and the hatred of the Jews is the number of religious rites the religion of hate copied from the Jewish religion. From the Sabbath starting early on Friday vs Friday at sundown, the dietary laws kosher foods, no pork products, prayer 5 times a day vs 3 times a day. Next time the RoH claims the Jewish people are such a low class – ask them why they copied so many of the rituals.

    Joe (6120a4)

  8. Yeah, that’s a good point, Aaron. I’m still surprised we teach the holocaust but don’t teach Unit 731, especially since it’s the Japanese we used nuclear weapons on. Though now probably isn’t the best time to bash their history, they have come so far as a society.

    I was going to suggest that part of Japan’s cultural superiority has to do with their need to work hard, as opposed to a country that merely needs to pump minerals out of the ground, but I guess there’s more to it than that.

    Anyway, we need to destroy whatever culture or religious sect or political movement that wants to slaughter babies, for the same reason we had to eliminate serving an emperor fanatically.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  9. It’s a major segment of a large culture on the same planet we’re on that cheers racist infanticide. Why is it Japan, a wonderful country, isn’t sitting on all the oil while the monsters are facing volcanoes and disasters?

    Comment by Dustin

    Dustin: We are getting off track from the subject of the Religion of Hate. Though one of the few things Roosevelt did right (and later followed through with Truman) was to have the goal of not only winning WWI but to transform both the german and japanese society.
    That unfortunately is not the current goal of the War on terror.

    Joe (6120a4)

  10. Aaron, nice synopsis regarding Japan and WW2 and the result of our actions. Their religion was as barbaric as Islam. Well said.

    RFN (5c3099)

  11. RFN

    i won’t say islam itself is the problem with it. i mean alot of really ugly crap has been done in the name of christ, but christ himself would be the first to denounce it. i don’t honestly know enough about islam to make that kind of call.

    but palestinian culture, for whatever reason, is a culture of hate as virulent as anything seen since nazi germany.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  12. Joe, there is no end to our problems in the middle east that doesn’t include a fundamental elimination of the monstrous ideology. I worry that we’ll never wake up as a society to that. They can cheer baby murder, and a lot of people aren’t even sure they are the bad guys.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  13. Aaron,

    I think the Palestinians may have jumped the shark with the street people of Arabia – beheading a baby murdering children is more than most can stomach – the problem is they are very passive – it would be nice if the Authority over there finds those who did it and turn them over to the Israeli’s this would make this horrible upon horrible act, this would give it something that it didnt happen totally in vain.

    It wont bring back the dead, but maybe give life to others

    This is why we need to have active military bases in Israel, gone forever would be the wishfullness that they are going to be pushed into the sea

    EricPWJohnson (b12494)

  14. ask them why they copied so many of the rituals.

    Comment by Joe

    Joe, Islam is a Jewish heresy. Think about it. Mohammed presented the Jews of Medina with his new improved version of their religion, the first monotheist faith. They weren’t buying and the result has been the hatred of Judaism by Muslims ever since. The rituals and many of the beliefs are those of the old Jewish religion of the Torah and the early stages of Judaism when it was violent at times.

    Christians had a similar anger at the stubborn Jews but that religion eventually got over it. Hitler and the Nazis were not Christians and planned to bring back the pagan religion of the Goths. The Muslims are now the proponents of the last violent religion.

    Mike K (8f3f19)

  15. Dustin

    > I’m still surprised we teach the holocaust but don’t teach Unit 731, especially since it’s the Japanese we used nuclear weapons on.

    I think its guilt over internment of Japanese Americans, like they don’t want to highlight how evil the Japanese soldiers were, because they are afraid of raising hate against the Japanese americans or something.

    Which ironically is committing the same sin that led to internment: conflating Japanese Americans with Japanese in Japan.

    We seem to think that the most awful thing that happened in relation to the war in Asia was internment. Ask a few Filipinos and they will give you a different opinion.

    I mean its sort of like a story I tell about my maternal grandfather. Before WWII he built airplanes and in fact he was good enough at it that they wouldn’t let him join the military—they needed him here. And reportedly he was mad about that. Anyway, just before the war, he was ordered by his boss to help a visiting Japanese gentleman how to build airplanes. But he didn’t trust the Japanese… so he taught him the wrong way. For years afterward, he would watch propaganda films and they would show Japanese airplanes falling apart in mid-air* and he would laugh and assert that this was his doing.

    Now what motivated my grandfather? We he just ahead of the curve with the threat posed by japan? Or was he a racist? Um. I mean he was a southerner from Maryland and he would have been 90 something if he was alive today, so even though I don’t recall him ever saying anything racist you can’t exactly rule it out, you know. But who cares? Even if his reasoning was wrong, his action was correct. His boss was a fool to order him to teach that man how to build an airplane.

    Incidentally, as the war progressed, that same grandfather also helped in the manhattan project. Mind you, he was so low on the ladder in that thing that he literally had no idea what they were building. But he wasn’t exactly broken up about it when he found out.

    ——————–

    * mind you, those propaganda films were, like most propaganda, inaccurate. Japanese planes, as I understand it, were very well built, despite my grandfather’s best efforts.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  16. Did you know that every time the UN or other International body talks about nukes (like Iran getting the bomb), Japan always puts out a bit of paper saying “As the only country ever subjected to the use of nuclear weapons…”

    A friend of mine always says “As the only country thus far DESERVING to have have been subjected to the use of nuclear weapons…”

    Scott Jacobs (176843)

  17. but palestinian culture, for whatever reason, is a culture of hate as virulent as anything seen since nazi germany.

    In part it’s because they are the last remnants of the Axis. They were officially allied with Germany in WW2, and they never had it stamped out of them. We don’t call them “Islamofascists” for nothing, you know.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  18. Now what motivated my grandfather? We he just ahead of the curve with the threat posed by japan? Or was he a racist? Um. I mean he was a southerner from Maryland and he would have been 90 something if he was alive today, so even though I don’t recall him ever saying anything racist you can’t exactly rule it out, you know. But who cares? Even if his reasoning was wrong, his action was correct. His boss was a fool to order him to teach that man how to build an airplane.

    To this day my grandmother – who was the driving force behind the family back in the day walking out of a diner because they skipped my uncle’s friend (who was black) while taking orders – still calls them “dirty japs”.

    It is possible she holds a bit of a grudge still…

    Scott Jacobs (176843)

  19. Right 731, was an artefact of the militarist Shinto
    regime, like some of the figures that were later involved with PaperClip on the German side of things. One can’t fault the Japanese people for that.

    narciso (a3a9aa)

  20. There is no reason to intentionally murder a baby, unless you believe that there is something about that child that makes him inherently evil. They don’t kill Jews because of anything they have done to them. They kill them out of irrational hate—simply because they are Jews

    To play Devil’s Advocate for a moment — and in this case I mean “Devil” as literally as I can about a fictional character — it was John Brown who said “Nits grow into lice”. A decade later, the Union army marched in his name.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  21. milhouse

    brown did evil in a good cause.

    and that evil was scrubbed in the northern press.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  22. I think its guilt over internment of Japanese Americans, like they don’t want to highlight how evil the Japanese soldiers were, because they are afraid of raising hate against the Japanese americans or something.

    I don’t think it’s that. I think it’s two linked things:

    1) the fact that the USSR was at peace with Japan until about a week before the War ended. Remember that the left, especially the union movement, was anti-war until Germany invaded the USSR; then Germany became the big enemy that must be vilified and have all its crimes exposed. The fact that those crimes were very real, and there was no need to make anything up about them, indeed that anything a person could make up would pale against the reality, was lagniappe. But Japan was not the enemy to many of these people, because it was only at war with the USA and not with the USSR, so there was no need to highlight its crimes.

    2. The anti-nuclear movement, which for decades was financed and controlled by the USSR. Highlighting the Japanese crimes might have made people think that nuking them had been a good idea, and that would interfere with the message that nuclear bombs were evil and the USA bore eternal guilt for having used them.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  23. What evil scumbags.

    But remember according to bush islam is a religion of peace.

    DohBiden (984d23)

  24. Remember Hamas says one thing in English and another in Arabic.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/03/028596.php

    Tanny O'Haley (12193c)

  25. “Probably” not walking yet? At 3 months old?

    I’m guessing you don’t have kids.

    ————–

    As to the story itself: Islam is a cult. An evil cult. Based on hatred and violence.

    Just read the Q’uran or just Google it. These are not radicals. They are simply Muslims doing what their book commands.

    Don’t believe me? READ IT.

    PB (6f9ce7)

  26. Dustin

    um, let’s not forget that if japan was sitting on oil, they might have won WWII.

    Comment by Aaron Worthing — 3/15/2011 @ 6:54 am

    Dude. Basic research is your friend.

    If Japan was sitting on oil, they never would have participated in World War II.

    Somebody slept through 9th grade history.

    Even a quick glance at Wikipedia would do:

    The ongoing conflict in China led to a deepening conflict with the U.S., where public opinion was alarmed by events such as the Nanking Massacre and growing Japanese power. Lengthy talks were held between the U.S. and Japan. When Japan moved into the southern part of French Indochina, President Roosevelt chose to freeze all Japanese assets in the U.S. The intended consequence of this was the halt of oil shipments from the U.S. to Japan, which had supplied 80 percent of Japanese oil imports. The Netherlands and UK followed suit. With only 1.5 years of peacetime oil reserves that would last only a year and a half during peace time (much less during wartime), Japan had two choices: comply with the U.S.-led demand to pull out of China, or seize the oilfields in the East Indies from the Netherlands.

    PB (6f9ce7)

  27. PB, Japan had imperialist ambitions that had nothing to do with need for oil. The need was what gave us leverage in the standoff.

    Also remember that we did to Japan what Germany fantasized about with submarines. We cut them off from all imports and Japan, like England, is an island nation dependent on imports. One alternative considered if the atomic bomb didn’t work, was to starve the country until they quit.

    Mike K (8f3f19)

  28. Palestinians are a ruined people I can’t help them the United Nations can’t help Barack Obama can’t help them Allah despises them and nobody wants to hang out with them cause of they stab babies.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  29. could we at least spell th term properly?

    it’s Paleostinian.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  30. There’s only one way to deal with the Pal/Arab/Muslim scum, and that’s to smash them and keep on smashing them until there’s nothing left to smash.

    The small handful of survivors (if any) can boogie on back to the Arabian peninsula from whence their degenerate culture and foul ideology originated.

    That’s the only way this problem will ever be resolved.

    And, the longer we put off resolving it, the more Westerners (including Americans) will die.

    Dave Surls (34df9d)

  31. I think that the Palestians should be given a country, Gaza Strip and maybe the West Bank. Then they should be treated as a country. If one of their citizens, especially with any government aid, was to cross into Israel or they were to launch missles or shoot across the border then their country should be attacked and parts taken by Israel not to be given back. Any other country that aids their agression should be considered an ally and treated accordingly.

    Gregg Weber (6aca10)

  32. I would have the IDF drive the Palistinians into the sea.

    Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (5a1f0e)

  33. Good idea Zelsdorf.

    DohBiden (984d23)

  34. Good idea Zelsdorf.

    DohBiden (984d23)

  35. Well, Aaron, that is how you really judge a religion. By it’s progenitors. Christ was a man of peace (not a pacifist). Mohammed was a lying, raping, murdering piece of shit. So, no the scum that did this know that Mo would look down on them with favor in accordance with is edicts. Does this mean that all Muslims are like this? Of course not. I’m not sure why they call themselves Muslims, but that’s cool. Just don’t act like Mo and we’re copacetic.

    RFN (5c3099)

  36. I suspect that internally, Japanese society was highly orderly during the 1920s and 30s and 40s. I don’t recall reports of looting after Hiroshima or Nagasaki, and I’ve read that Hersey book. It was only towards the outsider — Chinese, Americans, Filipinos, British, Dutch — that they displayed barbarity.

    As for this case of infanticide. Well, a weak people will do a lot of things to protect what is left of their land, and the Palestinians are a week people. We (or the Israelis) on the other hand, are willing to drop bombs from a great height that end up killing infants just as dead. As we (and the Israelis) know, with a certainty in some situations, that children will be killed by our military actions. Its a pretty fine moral distinction. I won’t justify either attack.

    What I don’t understand is the obsession of white protestant Christians (I’m assuming) with an ethnostate that has been bad for Palestinian Christians, the original Christians and, most likely descended from Jews and Samaritans who lived and converted in New Testament times. They’ve attacked us (USS Liberty), they– IMHO– subvert our foreign policy (AIPAC among other phenomena) , and yet normally patriot folks bend over frontwards for this foreign nation.

    stari_momak (d5f987)

  37. Israel is cool fiendish subhuman baby-stabbers not so much

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  38. stari,

    ahhh but therein lies the difference

    you target children, and then you hide behind them

    EricPWJohnson (b12494)

  39. Good point Eric

    DohBiden (984d23)

  40. These sand Nazis are true nithings- homo sapiens by birth, subhuman by choice.

    Michael Ejercito (64388b)

  41. if i were in charge of the IDF, i’d start production of these little gems and every time one of my UAV’s saw a Hamas or PLA, or whatever f*ck handing out candy after one of these atrocities, the finger of Yahweh would reach down and rub him and whomever was celebrating with them out of existence.

    i’d also hit any and every “military” display, parade, rally, what have you they put on with FAE’s without regard to the “civilians” they endangered in allowing them so close to a legitimate military target.

    in short i’d cut’em if they stood and shoot’em when they ran. if they want war, give it to them, lock, stock and two smoking barrels. ammo is cheap, and the lives you protect are precious. besides, the Palestinians are always bragging how much they embrace death and want to be martyrs…

    i say give them what they ask for, and give it to them good and hard.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  42. An initial reaction is that if (the optimistic outlook) Iran lobs nukes at Israel, many of the casualties will be well deserved within the ranks of the Paleo terrorists in Gaza and the West Bank.
    My second reaction is (see above).

    AD-RtR/OS! (b8ab92)

  43. ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and the rest of the MFM are silent about this.

    FTFY!

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  44. The “conscience of Palestine”?

    Oh, puh-leese! It’s been bred out and totally eradicated by Hamass/PLO/Whatever the name is today.

    It’s like a pit of rabid weasels. The only answer is extermination.

    Bigfoot (8096f2)

  45. Conscience of Palestine?

    😆 😆 Good one man

    DohBiden (984d23)

  46. “I think that the Palestians should be given a country, Gaza Strip and maybe the West Bank.”

    Might as well toss in the Sudentenland for good measure.

    Dave Surls (59512e)

  47. Might as well give them Compton California as well.

    DohBiden (984d23)

  48. how about Atlantis? 8)

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  49. “I think that the Palestians should be given a country, Gaza Strip and maybe the West Bank.”

    “Palestine”: Mordor with sand.

    MarkJ (42fe5b)

  50. We (or the Israelis) on the other hand, are willing to drop bombs from a great height that end up killing infants just as dead.

    Are you absolutely insane?

    We do not drop bombs targeting babies. We do not set out to murder innocent families because they are Jews or whatever race or religion. We do all we can to avoid harming innocent bystanders, pouring a huge sum into developing weapons that are more precise, even at great cost to reliability and range.

    And when we harm an innocent, we often try hard to make them whole. We lament. We do not cheer that we murdered babies.

    Any shred of comparison between the war efforts of Israel and this murder is absolutely insane.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  51. “Well, a weak people will do a lot of things to protect what is left of their land…”

    Only, it ain’t their land, it’s our land. Israel, and the lands surrounding Israel belongs to Jews and Christians, not Arab Muslim colonialists and imperialists.

    And, we’re going to get it back too.

    All of it.

    Dave Surls (59512e)

  52. The next time the Israelis have to fight the Arabs they should wipe out the Palestinians and tell the rest of the world to go pound sand.

    Douglas Leaon (392f36)

  53. Dustin

    I have said that this is the difference between isrealis and palestinians in this.

    When an isreali kills an innocent palestinian, the isrealis say, “how awful.”

    When a palestinian kills an innocent isreali, the palestinians say, “nice shot.”

    Dark humor i admit, but there you go.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  54. The points is if the Muslims, Palestinian or otherwise cared about the land they would actually DO something for the land.
    There motives have nothing to do with needing a country. They are fed by hatred of everyone different than themselves. That is what fuels them and that is it. They don’t really give a hoot about having a “Country” or they would already have it.

    Noelie (b5f8b5)

  55. While the MSM has been fairly silent about this, the LAT editorializes. It’s what you would expect from an anti-Israel crowd and they want you to know that the point isn’t a baby was brutally killed but rather Israel needs to stop provoking the Palestinians with their West Bank shenanigans. How easily a baby can be used to push one’s narrative. It takes a special kind of scum to do that:

    Which is worse — stabbing children to death or building new houses in West Bank settlements? The answer is obvious. But that’s not the point. The point is that no matter how abhorrent the murders are, it serves no purpose to aggravate the provocation that led to them in the first place. How will building more houses for Israelis in the midst of the West Bank, in settlements that are almost universally acknowledged to violate international law, do anything other than keep the crisis going? Answer: It won’t.

    But at the same time, the Israeli government should be in the business of calming tensions, not stoking them, and of removing obstacles to peace rather than constructing them. Instead, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu appears to be using last week’s killings to appease the powerful, pro-settlement forces in his government.

    Dana (9f3823)

  56. Which is worse — stabbing children to death or building new houses in West Bank settlements? The answer is obvious. But that’s not the point. The point is that no matter how abhorrent the murders are, it serves no purpose to aggravate the provocation that led to them in the first place. How will building more houses for Israelis in the midst of the West Bank, in settlements that are almost universally acknowledged to violate international law, do anything other than keep the crisis going? Answer: It won’t.

    I wonder if the L.A. Times blames blacks whenever they were lynched by people in white robes and hoods.

    Michael Ejercito (64388b)

  57. Along with the barbaric killing of a baby apparently not being the point, it should also be noted that Facebook and You Tube took down the video within hours of it being posted at the insistence of Palestinians.

    Here it is – with the warning that it is very graphic.

    Dana (9f3823)

  58. Message to Joe:

    Islamic nations will never be reformed like Germany and Japan were. Why? Because they have been conditioned to believe that freedom itself is evil. It will never work. The only thing those from the religion of hate understand is iron fisted rule. Ghadaffi understands. Saddam understood.

    Thomas (d42d86)

  59. building more houses for Israelis in the midst of the West Bank, in settlements that are almost universally acknowledged to violate international law,

    This is the crux of the problem: this absurd claim that there is something illegal about Jews living in Judea! If there’s an “international law” that says that (which there isn’t), then there’s no reason for any decent person to respect it. Imagine what would happen if the USA were to declare, say, Idaho judenrein and forbid Jews from living there. Or suppose it were to ban blacks from living in some particularly racist part of the South because the cost of protecting them was too high. The outrage would be something to behold. And if the administration were to actually evict whole black towns and demolish them, there would be riots and blood on the streets. But somehow it’s OK for the Israeli government to do it when the victims are Jews, and for foreign governments and journalists to demand this of the Israeli government.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  60. stari_momak . . . toolius in extremis

    Icy Texan (361f6c)

  61. Stari_momak, go back to whatever rock you crawled out from. But just for the record:

    1. It’s not their land. They have no legitimate claim on it, it never belonged to them, they just want it and are trying to take it by force.

    2. Israel does not drop bombs from the air where it assesses the risk to civilians is too high; instead it wastes its soldier’s lives going in and taking out their legitimate target while doing as little harm as possible to innocent bystanders. I wish they weren’t so finicky; I think it’s a criminal endangerment of Israeli soldiers, and if it were up to me I’d charge those making these decisions for those soldiers’ deaths. But the fact is that’s how the IDF does things.

    3. The moral distinction between deliberately killing an innocent, and accidentally killing one as the unavoidable side-effect of taking out a legitimate military target is not a fine one. It’s all the difference in the world.

    4. Israel has not been bad for “Palestinian” Xians. The PLO has been very bad for them. It isn’t Israel that has turned Bethlehem from a majority-Xian town to one that is 90% Moslem.

    5. The Liberty incident was friendly fire. The Israelis had no idea it was a USA ship, and as soon as the pilots saw the USA flag they alerted their controllers who aborted the mission. But one must ask what the Liberty was doing so far from where it was supposed to be, and whether it was secretly aiding the Egyptian forces.

    6. AIPAC is an American organisation, made up of US citizens, exercising their first amendment right to influence government policy, just like any other such group (ACLU, NRA, AARP, etc). It is not controlled in any way by the Israeli government. So how is Israel “subverting” US policy?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  62. that Happened is very horrible…the beautiful three month old girl was murdered last Friday…
    I wish that it never happen again.

    pamela (0e1602)

  63. “This beautiful three month old” – so if the child had been “not beautiful” would her murder have been less monstrous? Do only the beautiful people have a right to live, and are only their deaths tragedies?

    Alex Ragen (79a96b)

  64. Alex,

    This child and this family were beautiful, beautiful in the manner that god saw fit to love them equally as those who chose to kill them. We may never understand the depths that those people chose to abandon the gift of gods love and ause evil in the world, and when the nooses are put over their heads and the trap swung free, the world will be more beautiful again

    EricPWJohnson (b12494)

  65. I wonder how much time our oh-so brilliant President has “invested” in contemplating the meaning of this story as opposed, let us say, to the time he says he has “invested” in his golf game? But then again, “Whoopi Goldberg,” (aka: Karen Johnson) assures us that the President is the smartest man in the world. As Homer Simpson would say, “BRILLIANT!”

    DV (996c34)

  66. Alex

    anyone who has seen a picture of me would realize that I most assuredly do not believe that only the beautiful shall live, if only out of self-interest. :-)

    I meant beautiful in the sense that every baby is beautiful.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  67. Islamic nations will never be reformed like Germany and Japan were. Why? Because they have been conditioned to believe that freedom itself is evil. It will never work. The only thing those from the religion of hate understand is iron fisted rule. Ghadaffi understands. Saddam understood.

    Comment by Thomas — 3/15/2011 @ 8:09 pm

    Thomas – for the most part I concur that reforming the RoH is exponentially more difficult.

    Joe (6120a4)

  68. “Islamic nations will never be reformed like Germany and Japan were.”

    Yeah, well step one in doing that is to slaughter a few million of the bastards with high explosives, napalm and atomic bombs.

    That method of reformation worked great with the Germans and Japanese. They’re pretty well behaved these days.

    Dave Surls (ca1ce9)

  69. Dave,

    man what has gotten into you, all this hate bottled up, its not you dude, step back, think happy thoughts

    EricPWJohnson (b12494)

  70. Goddamn dhimmis.

    DohBiden (984d23)

  71. I never bottle up my hate. I let it flow.

    Bottling it up just gives you ulcers.

    Dave Surls (ca1ce9)

  72. Mossad false flag.

    meir kahane jr (e7acf5)

  73. meir

    well, i am sure you have rock solid proof of that blood libel, right?

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  74. Blood libel? It’s not real matzo if the baby blood is from a Jew.

    All kidding aside though, Zionists only have legitimate claim to the land that was purchased from its previous rightful owners. Even if UN resolution 181 was legitimate, that would entail that subsequent UN resolutions were also legitimate. Since Israel arbitrarily refuses to capitulate with UN resolutions, that entails that 181 was not legitimate.
    Before you decide to play the “Chosen People” card, please bear in mind that reality differs greatly from your sacred texts, aka “Rules for Herding, Hygiene, and Conquest for Nomadic Desert Dwelling Peoples.”
    Even if they were based on true stories, large sections of the Torah from Jericho onward read like excerpts from a war-crimes tribunal.
    In summary, Your ghost stories are laughable and Zionists are not real Jews.

    Please find attached a map depicting what land in Palestine legitimately held by Zionists.

    Cheers

    From Wikipedia

    PS, before you accuse me of being an antisemitic crank, know that my lawyer is Jewish.

    meir kahane jr (e7acf5)

  75. Yes the old canard i can’t be anti-semetic i have jewish best friends it ain’t gonna work dearie.

    DohBiden (984d23)

  76. Please find attached a map depicting what land in Palestine legitimately held by Zionists.

    Cheers

    From Wikipedia

    PS, before you accuse me of being an antisemitic crank, know that my lawyer is Jewish.

    Comment by meir kahane jr — 3/16/2011 @ 1:38 pm

    Your map from Wikipedia is misleading. The entire country was also lightly populated at that time.
    A little historical perspective would be beneficial – pre 1880 ish, all of the area of trans jordan/ israel, palestine was lightly populated. As the zionist movement began settling into present day israel, jordanians/palestians started migrating into the area due to the more plentiful jobs. Those jordanians/palestinians were not paying for the land, they were primarily renting. When the 4-5 arabian countries tried to drive the israelis out in the 1947/48 war, israel kept the land. Granted, israel took advantage of some of the jordians after the 47/48 war (a war the israelis probably did think they would even win). But the major complaint of the palestinians that Israel took their homeland is weak. Most of the palestinians (more than 3/4’s or their families) had only been in the region for 30-50 years. the vast majority had migrated to the area after the start of the zionist movement which began in the late 1880’s to 1890’s. During the period from approx 1890 – to the UN establishment of the state of israel, there were marauding bands of arabs (essentailly equivalent to the KKK going around doing what the the arab groupd did to the fogel family. Most of what Israelis did was in response to the KKK equivalent. This blog is a little to short to develop the topic more fully and there are faults on both sides, but the israelis are far less to blame the arabs in the entire Israel/palenstinian conflict.

    Joe (6120a4)

  77. All kidding aside though, Zionists only have legitimate claim to the land that was purchased from its previous rightful owners.

    How about land that was lying ownerless until Jews settled it? All so-called “settlements” are either on government land (i.e. not owned by any person) or on purchased land. The Israeli judiciary is extremely hostile to “settlers”, and if any Arab had title to the land, or even anything that a court could pretend was title, he could have sued and would have won.

    When talking about whose land it is, we have to separate individual ownership of specific real estate from national sovereignty over a whole country. In terms of individual ownership, Israel respects Arab property rights just as much as it does anyone else’s. Eminent domain is used, as in any country, to take land for public use, and the owners receive fair compensation; this happens to Jewish landowners as well as to Arabs. Israel also took possession of property abandoned by Arabs in 1949; since that war it has constantly declared its willingness to negotiate compensation for that property, in the context of a settlement for all property owned by refugees on both sides, including the half-million or so Jewish refugees from Arab countries. If each refugee was compensated for what they lost, the Jews would come out way ahead. But practically Israel would probably agree to call it a wash.

    In terms of sovereignty, there is no reason why the Arabs have any claim to rule any part of “Palestine” at all. It’s the Jewish homeland; it’s where we’re from. Denying that Jews have the right to live there and govern themselves there is like denying the same right to the French in France, or the Italians in Italy. If you want to compare the situation to that of Native Americans, the Jews are the Indians and the Arabs are the white colonists. If Indians were to become a majority in some state and vote to rule themselves there, could anyone raise a moral objection to that?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  78. @ Milhouse
    So if you are considering eminent domain, does your analysis also allow for adverse possession? (It seems that I went off topic at this point, mea culpa) The occupants of ancient Judea were given every opportunity to integrate to Roman culture and they repeatedly rejected Western civilization and as a result, Jews went without Aristotle for almost a thousand years.
    In truth it is a tragedy for all mankind. What the world have been like if Maimonides or someone like him emerged a millennium earlier? What about an Einstein, or Cardozo, or Spinoza? So how about I compromise, I’ll let the subjugation of Palestine slide if an agent of Judaism takes responsibility for the second greatest tragedy in the history of the world(the loss of the Library of Alexandria being the first.)

    meir kahane jr (e7acf5)

  79. This beautiful three month old girl was murdered last Friday. She was stabbed in the heart and decapitated while she slept.

    What’s wrong with us? We piously think of ourselves as civilized, but this is the sort of behavior we invite. So what use is this modern concept of “civilization” if it invites and equivocates about barbarism?

    We could put a stop to this tomorrow. Failing that, we could give the Israelis the go ahead and they could put a stop to this tomorrow.

    Screw the BS about collective punishment being immoral or against “international law” (whatever that means). The people who pronounce about the immorality of collective punishment are primarily the ones who are creating the environment where 3 month old infants are stabbed and beheaded. And I will not be lectured to by such immoral people about morality.

    This wasn’t a crime. It is an outrage. And the perpetrators aren’t the only ones to blame. The whole stinking petri dish that produces this trash and occassionally pukes it out into the wider world is to blame.

    I can arrive at no other conclusion after watching the so-called Palestinians passing out pastries and candy after hearing the news of this great victory by the heroic muslim warriors over Jewish infants. Which by the way was my conclusion when I saw the video of ululating women in the streets following 9/11.

    I’m not speaking out of anger. My anger was spent years ago. I only have disgust left. And a lot of it is reserved for ourselves. It isn’t an understatement to say that our enemies study us, and while we deny the very existence of any enemies we teach them exactly what to do to press our buttons.

    I think it’s time to start off with a fresh sheet of paper and rethink the whole “civilization” and “morality” concepts. Ultimately, if we raid into the filth so hard and so brutally that they never, ever want to invite a repeat performance we may be saving lives on both sides. And maybe a lot of other lives who witness the event.

    Steve (49173f)

  80. meir

    > PS, before you accuse me of being an antisemitic crank, know that my lawyer is Jewish.

    so… some of your best friends are jewish…? seems like a weak defense.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  81. I think it’s time to start off with a fresh sheet of paper and rethink the whole “civilization” and “morality” concepts. Ultimately, if we raid into the filth so hard and so brutally that they never, ever want to invite a repeat performance we may be saving lives on both sides. And maybe a lot of other lives who witness the event.

    Comment by Steve — 3/16/2011 @ 5:41 pm

    Steve – a very good point – we demonstrated how effective that rule was in ww2- as horrific as the two bombs were destroying 200k lives, their use saved close to 2m lives and we now have a peaceful and productive society as a result. My fear is our leaders failure to recognize the threat. Most ironic is the left’s failure to recongnize the threat to some of their most cherished ideals – including the failure to recognize the enslavement of women through sharia law.

    joe (93323e)

  82. I’ve basically had my fill of people who advise inaction or inadequate action while convincing themselves that somehow makes them morally superior or “better” than that.

    I am no longer on board with the concept that we have to adopt a position on legalities or rights that amount to a suicide pact.

    I also find myself questioning the impulse to apologize for admitting, upon finding out about the stabbing and decapitation of a 3 month old Isreali infant, that my desire is to hunt down anyone associated with the act, shove a red-hot iron rod through the end-portion of his alimentary system until it protrudes out the base of his neck by the collar bone, and then cutting off his bits and shoving them down his throat. Then leave the whole mess by the border crossing.

    The thought that occurs to me is that I’d be less than civilized if I didn’t have that reaction.

    I don’t want to treat with people who commit, condone, or in any way encourage this sort of thing. Or a Beslan. I want to stamp them cancelled.

    Why is that not the civilized, morally appropriate approach to such atrocities?

    Steve (49173f)

  83. To be fair though Steve, you probably want to do that to everyone with a complexion darker than a paper bag.

    meir kahane jr (e7acf5)

  84. Aaron,

    Actually only one of my best friends is Jewish. If I actually did hate Jews, I would probably have instead hired as an attorney either an Indian, an East Asian(maybe Singaporean), or an autistic.

    meir kahane jr (e7acf5)

  85. “To be fair though Steve, you probably want to do that to everyone with a complexion darker than a paper bag.”

    meir kahane jr – Take a minute and read the other posts on the blog here. It’s the liberals who are the racists. It just makes them feel good to accuse others of what they really feel, but you already know that.

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  86. Yes. Yes of course. The whiteness of an individual’s complexion just snuffs out any disgust I may feel toward them about them stabbing a 3 month old baby and decapitating her.

    It’s like you KNOW me, Mr. Kahane. It’s uncanny.

    Steve (49173f)

  87. PS, before you accuse me of being an antisemitic crank, know that my lawyer is Jewish.

    Well if he’s any good, statistically he’s bound to be, isn’t he? :)

    What?

    Stop looking at me like that.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  88. OK. White people. Roger up. I don’t know how it was with you on that happy, holy occasion when you were simultaneaously inducted into the Republican party and the Klan, but I celebrated by executing small Jewish kids.

    Cum’on? Who didn’t?

    Steve (49173f)

  89. So if you are considering eminent domain, does your analysis also allow for adverse possession?

    There is no adverse possession when the owner serves notice on the public that the land is his. The Jews have been doing so three times a day for the last 2000 years. Every occupier and colonist has known this; they simply didn’t care, because they thought the day would never come when the owners would be able to enforce their claim. Well, guess what. The owners came back, and in all justice had every right to evict the squatters, but out of the goodness of their hearts decided not to. The least that those squatters could do in return would be to act as guests and not keep killing their hosts’ family members!

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  90. By the way, Rabbi Meir Kahane was a wise, learned, and kind person, and if the US authorities had taken his assassination seriously they could have prevented the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center. I take offense at the troll’s using his name.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  91. meir

    > Actually only one of my best friends is Jewish. If I actually did hate Jews, I would probably have instead hired as an attorney either an Indian, an East Asian(maybe Singaporean), or an autistic.

    It depends on what you mean by “hate.” Often the term is used when what one really means is “stereotyping.”

    And if you STEREOTYPED jews, you would tend hire them as doctors and lawyers. And believe them to be involved in vile conspiracies often fabricating crimes against their own people.

    Btw, still waiting for the proof that mossad killed the fogels.

    Aaron Worthing (b1db52)

  92. Milhouse: So does a Canaanite have a better claim to the land?

    Aaron: My initial post about Mossad was in jest. While they are despicable international terrorists, it is vanishingly unlikely that they had anything to do with this unfortunate event.

    And yes, I do stereotype a lot. I was actually a bit surprised by the scarcity of Jewish students when I attended law school.

    meir kahane jr (e7acf5)

  93. meir kahanr jr,

    I was surprized in the school of engineering at the scarcity of flannel shirt wearing dog walkers

    EricPWJohnson (b12494)

  94. but as for jews, no one seemed to care who was jewish and who wasn’t as much as no one cares that Al Qaeda has kiled more innocent arabs at an breathtaking pace, in your litte circle

    EricPWJohnson (b12494)

  95. Eric: I’m not quite certain how you have any inkling of what “my little circle” might be. If I wanted to antagonize Al Qaeda adherents, I’d probably do so on their forums instead of here.

    meir kahane jr (e7acf5)

  96. To the despicable troll who appropriates the name of the great R Meir Kahane: 1) There aren’t any Canaanites; 2) If there were any, they haven’t been pressing their claim so it’s gone; 3) In any event, the whole world belongs to God, and He told the Jews this land was to be theirs forever.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)


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