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3/10/2011

Republican Senators in Wisconsin Getting Death Threats

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 5:56 pm

Charming:

From: XXXX
Sent: Wed 3/9/2011 9:18 PM
To: Sen.Kapanke; Sen.Darling; Sen.Cowles; Sen.Ellis; Sen.Fitzgerald; Sen.Galloway; Sen.Grothman; Sen.Harsdorf; Sen.Hopper; Sen.Kedzie; Sen.Lasee; Sen.Lazich; Sen.Leibham; Sen.Moulton; Sen.Olsen
Subject: Atten: Death threat!!!! Bomb!!!!

Please put your things in order because you will be killed and your familes will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks. Please explain to them that this is because if we get rid of you and your families then it will save the rights of 300,000 people and also be able to close the deficit that you have created. I hope you have a good time in hell. Read below for more information on possible scenarios in which you will die.

WE want to make this perfectly clear. Because of your actions today and in the past couple of weeks I and the group of people that are working with me have decided that we’ve had enough. We feel that you and the people that support the dictator have to die. We have tried many other ways of dealing with your corruption but you have taken things too far and we will not stand for it any longer. So, this is how it’s going to happen: I as well as many others know where you and your family live, it’s a matter of public records.

We have all planned to assult you by arriving at your house and putting a nice little bullet in your head. However, we decided that we wouldn’t leave it there. We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the message to you since you are so “high” on Koch and have decided that you are now going to single handedly make this a dictatorship instead of a demorcratic process. So we have also built several bombs that we have placed in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent.

This includes, your house, your car, the state capitol, and well I won’t tell you all of them because that’s just no fun. Since we know that you are not smart enough to figure out why this is happening to you we have decided to make it perfectly clear to you. If you and your goonies feel that it’s necessary to strip the rights of 300,000 people and ruin their lives, making them unable to feed, clothe, and provide the necessities to their families and themselves then We Will “get rid of” (in which I mean kill) you. Please understand that this does not include the heroic Rep. Senator that risked everything to go aganist what you and your goonies wanted him to do. We feel that it’s worth our lives to do this, because we would be saving the lives of 300,000 people. Please make your peace with God as soon as possible and say goodbye to your loved ones we will not wait any longer. YOU WILL DIE!!!!

And Jim Hoft has a report (with a photo) of a threat slipped under a Senator’s door saying the only good Republican is a dead Republican.

All hail the new civility!

Big Media reports to follow in 3 … 2 … never.

Can we not hear another word about how peaceful this whole thing has been? kthxbai

261 Responses to “Republican Senators in Wisconsin Getting Death Threats”

  1. all of our loser politician whores in America sleep entirely too soundly I think – every last one of them

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  2. Thanks for that little morsel of the darker side of your psychosis, happyfeet.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  3. I’m a giver

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  4. Must be a racist white tea bagger!
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    Wait!?!? …

    Torquemada (2a42d3)

  5. Yeah, well thanks, but there are things you might reconsider sharing.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  6. Oh yes, civil discourse too. Forgot to mention that.

    Torquemada (2a42d3)

  7. Maybe it’s time to start prosecution of these a**holes. It is unbelievable that they leave their real names on the tweets. Time to bring the hammer.

    Mike K (8f3f19)

  8. When will Katie Couric arrive in Wisconsin to decry the lack of civility and condemn the Union provoked violence?

    Torquemada (2a42d3)

  9. Strange. I don’t think this will be on the news tonight, or on MSNBC.

    It would wonderful I was wrong about that.

    Simon Jester (87fb95)

  10. If just one GOP legislator, or one of their family members, are harmed, I would arrest every PE union head in WI, charge them with a RICO conspiracy, and hold them without bail!

    AD-RtR/OS! (4ef7d0)

  11. It’ll take a mere second to click on this link to Althouse, featuring a picture which captures the new civility–and then come right back here to Patterico.

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/03/everybody-wants-to-take-photo-of-man.html

    elissa (fda4b1)

  12. that was just gross

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  13. I am sure the MFM will report this in their customary breathless fashion, and Barcky will use someone else’s misery to lecture teabaggers about civility.

    JD (7d9b73)

  14. Comment by happyfeet — 3/10/2011 @ 6:49 pm

    Yes, some things were not meant to be seen by human eyes, and I think that’s one of them.

    kishnevi (437df2)

  15. See, this is the difference between, at the very least, me and them.

    Me? I truly can’t stand Obama. Like, seriously, f**k that dude.

    But I would gladly die taking a bullet for the guy, because while I sure as hell didn’t vote for him, and while he stands for pretty much everything that I think is wrong with this country he’s still my President, and god help whatever poor, stupid son of a b*tch tries to harm him.

    They, on the other hand, see nothing wrong with threats – and acts – of violence.

    And we’re the crazy violent ones.

    Jesus H. Christ, I hate these people…

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  16. It’s reported here, in the teeniest tiniest possible fashion
    one sentence that appears as the antepenultimate paragraph of a relatively long article.

    kishnevi (437df2)

  17. New Dem Campaign Slogan – If you can’t beat’em, kill’em.

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  18. ==threat slipped under a Senator’s door saying the only good Republican is a dead Republican==

    Pause for quick scene change to the Capitol Rotunda:

    OK now, everybody!! Chant along with meee—

    This is what Democracy Looks like!

    (Megaphone man) Wha-at does Democracy Look like?

    (Mob) This is what Democracy Looks like!

    (Megaphone man) Wha-at does Democracy Look like?

    (Mob) This is what Democracy Looks like!

    elissa (fda4b1)

  19. I never heard this on the news. It would have been on if the threats were to Dems. I am wasting my breath.

    Arizona Bob in Tucson (f2ecb9)

  20. Can we not just celebrate the fact that dissent is once again the highest form of patriotism?

    And if that isn’t doing it for you I highly recommend Morning Joe and the Daily Rundown tom’w morning. Today, Norah O’Donnell was full on despondent and Chuck Todd’s normally bubbly optimism was completely absent. The hour I saw of Mika B. she seemed okay in comparison – really only Barnicle seemed out of sorts this morning on MJ. But O’Donnell? She looked as if Obama had just unfriended her on Facebook.

    East Bay Jay (19f566)

  21. Pogo.

    Ag80 (efea1d)

  22. wal-mart lobbies for higher taxes … for fairness!

    maybe we should introduce wal-mart to some union whores and they could explore this concept of fairness together

    One of the biggest backers of the proposal is Bentonville based Wal-Mart Stores Inc., which said the legislation would level the playing field between retailers and online businesses.

    “Retail businesses are already required to collect sales taxes for any online sales. But online-only retailers usually use legal loopholes to not collect sales taxes,” spokesman Daniel Morales said. “That’s not fair, not right and not good for business.”

    Danny the first time it hurts the worst but I promise that really fast you’ll learn to love fairness as much as the people whose taxes you want to raise

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  23. And one of your favorite people, pikachu, John Cornyn wants Scarborough for the US Senate, next time more current to the shock collars

    narciso (a3a9aa)

  24. Can someone post a link to the President’s condemnation of the death threats and his promise to find the guilty parties and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law?

    I can’t seem to find it.

    Dana (9f3823)

  25. we got rid of that deluded breck girl skank who for reals thought her feckless ass was gonna be governor and we can get rid of the effete and cowardly Cornyn too

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  26. Dana – Barcky is anti-bully. Except when it comes to his bullies, who he encourages to get in people’s faces, and hit back twice as hard.

    JD (aafa7c)

  27. Happy:

    You would have to vote in Texas. Just saying.

    Ag80 (efea1d)

  28. Dana – Jay Carney says the greasy azz socialist union whore pezzident man is not down with this bill because it violates his principles and does not represent sharing the sacrifice in the way he meant and is a vilification of unions. BIRM.

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  29. JD, it’s ironic you say that: I was just considering the stunning hypocrisy of the left in this whole Wisconsin debacle (I’ll include your bully reference, too) and realize that elissa’s link above @ #11 is the perfect visual of the rank stink of it all.

    Dana (9f3823)

  30. Yes your president is a masterful bully himself this is an important caveat what was illustrated today by how he set his fascist FDA dogs on Johnson and Johnson…

    Yes sports fans it’s good news! The efficient and benevolent if highly indebted and broke and laughable “US government” will now run J&J’s factories for them!

    U.S. health authorities will take over supervision of three Johnson & Johnson manufacturing plants after the healthcare giant failed to stem quality lapses that sparked a flood of recalls for consumer medicines like its Tylenol painkiller.

    Yes America’s remarkably competent government what has demonstrated that it can’t run its own affairs without spending literally trillions of dollars it doesn’t have… is now in the consumer packaged goods manufacturing business!

    This in spite of not a single person getting sick nauseous woozy or otherwise incapacitated …

    the medicines recalled have not proven harmful to any consumers

    …however, today’s actions do help heavily unionized government flunkies feel better about themselves! Winning! Remember kids – there’s no plan like a central plan! You too could one day build a business that your random and inept government could seize from you on wholly arbitrary grounds!

    Yay America! Yay freedom!

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  31. my vote in California is of highly theoretical value Mr. 80

    what’s a little pikachu to do? You know what it is it’s a conundrum.

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  32. #1

    Their dreams should haunt them

    SteveG (cc5dc9)

  33. Mr. Happy:

    You get what you live with. You know as well as I do the breck girl may have not been great, but she was far better than Boxer and the other one.

    As is Cornyn.

    Ag80 (efea1d)

  34. Scott Jacobs

    But I would gladly die taking a bullet for the guy,

    Holy hell I thought I was weird for feeling the same way…

    Anyways-speaking of Libya-and I know we’re not-about this time of year these crop up and take care of the damn “flying” anyways….

    Libya Sandstorm

    madawaskan (fd190b)

  35. if you judge senators by results every one of em is a disaster that our sad little country can ill afford

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  36. Hell let me get you one from April in-

    Benghazi.

    Redstorm

    madawaskan (fd190b)

  37. Nonetheless, we are really arguing about local issues that should be solved at the local level. But we can’t because everything has to be about the federal masters.

    Ag80 (efea1d)

  38. Local is the future but I kinda agree with Coulter, Ann that Governor Walker hasn’t done a very good job of explaining this whole dealio and I think the conservative press and blogosphere gloried in the food fight aspects instead of seizing a teachable moment.

    I wish I had some coconut water.

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  39. Actually he’s been giving a press conference, at least twice a week, not that it matters to the minitrue media, which serves up trite garbage and worse, like apologia for the pitiful flipflop on Gitmo,

    narciso (a3a9aa)

  40. It’s so funny to watch the “enlightened” contort themselves into full blown reactionaries.

    Bill Maher (03e5c2)

  41. This is a decent article about union power and politics. It is on Fortune Magazine’s masthead but is appearing on the CNN-money website, so a lot of people might see it. I hope

    http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/09/news/economy/unions_failing.fortune/

    elissa (fda4b1)

  42. It comes off sounding like a simplistic statement but, ya know, “we think they’re wrong, they think we’re evil” pretty much covers it.

    If threatening — for political ends — the life of a government official in the performance of his/her duties* is NOT an act of terrorism, then I don’t know what is.

    *(I’m sure that the threat-makers would’ve made their threats bi-partisan . . . if they could’ve found any members of the opposition party within state lines.)

    Icy Tucsonan in Texas (4e6c9d)

  43. C’mon, that’s obviously a fake, courtesy of GOP, and won’t fool anyone but the empty-headed teabagging rethugdimcon.

    Zoubida (0692b1)

  44. C’mon, that’s obviously a fake, courtesy of GOP, and won’t fool anyone but the empty-headed teabagging rethugdimcon.

    Yeah, because those union people have been just so peaceful, what with their breaking into the Assembly Building…

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  45. Yeah, because those union people have been just so peaceful, what with their breaking into the Assembly Building…

    They’re not the ones who started the war.

    Zoubida (0692b1)

  46. I think Gov. Walker should order Atty. Gen. Von Holland to sue the unions for the damages done to the capitol building and grounds. It might be a good idea to call out the National Guard to arrest and hold the protesters until they pay their fair share of the bill.

    PCD (72f2dc)

  47. I don’t normally feel the need to add my 2 cents, but what’s with the troll calling this debate over proper use of tax dollars a ‘war.’ What happened to decrying violent language and imagery and the call for civility. Wars are what our men have been fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is a debate between responsible individuals realizing that we cannot put everything on credit and expect the money tree (taxpayers) to pay off all our debts versus those who think that everyone not on the government teat is Mr. Moneybags and owes them all their dreams.

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.” Alexander Fraser Tytler

    In this case it doesn’t even take a majority, though we’re almost there with 48% of people paying practically zero in taxes. It only takes a large bloc of people, let’s say a union, voting in concert with each other to take the treasury and preventing dissent by threatening the lives of people with differing views.

    NJRob (c6719d)

  48. “Zoubida the Clown” has a nice ring to it.

    Icy Texan (4e6c9d)

  49. They’re not the ones who started the war.

    Yeah, I think the Dems’ bankruptcy of the state started it.

    AZ Bob still in 87 degree Tucson (f2ecb9)

  50. I’am no pacifist so if anyone wants to go war with these arsehats feel free to do os you have my backing.

    DohBiden (984d23)

  51. so*

    DohBiden (984d23)

  52. Zoubida= union good/apologist? Blame it all on the Koch Brothers. Jesse Jackson, Fatboy Moore, the Fleebagger 14 and Obama are the good guys here. Funny how the Obama idolizing media is incapable of being honest. Kind of insane that from what I’ve seen the best coverage by far of the protests in Madison are by Althouse and her hubby. WTF are those multi-millionaire talking heads being paid for anyway? Bias indeed. Oh yeah, unions are just dandy for feathering the nests of the union goons leadership. AFSCME did nothing for me and when I dropped the maroons, they passed a law in Pa. they required paying them nearly full dues regardless since they were BARGAINING for me. And first official job out of high school in mid-sixties when few jobs available required joining United Mine Workers at minimum wage minus initiation fee and dues. My advice regarding any benefits and pensions is take them asap. Of course gummint drones make out vis a vis the private sector.

    Calypso Louie Farrakhan (798aba)

  53. The country is going to heck in a handbasket, and the best the President can do is to call a summit on bullying? I don’t know if we can survive until the next election.

    Rochf (f3fbb0)

  54. i like how people such as zoubida blame everyone for the democraps evil actions.

    DohBiden (984d23)

  55. They’re not the ones who started the war.

    So legislation is war then, eh?

    So you’d be ok with violent acts against crap-weasels Congress-people who voted for Obamacare?

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  56. They’re not the ones who started the war

    See, that’s the problem: it’s not a war. It’s just politics. But the union thugs think it’s a war, and behave like it’s a war.

    Some chump (4c6c0c)

  57. No Some Chump, “union thugs” don’t think it’s a war, the people who are going to lose some of their leverage to negotiate wages etc. think it’s a war….or at least an attack on their own personal bottom line. That’s because it is.

    People in the unions in Wisconsin are protesting for the same reasons that Tea Partiers protest, because someone in the government is trying to take something away from them.

    Best thing that could happen to this country.

    EdWood (c2268a)

  58. you set the best thing bar kinda low I think Mr. Wood

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  59. Sure. That’s why Tea Partiers are all in a rush to support the public union members in Wisconsin — because they’re “protesting for the same reasons”.

    Icy Texan (4e6c9d)

  60. Actually the unions started the war a long time ago, when they colluded with their own people to “negotiate” those extravagant benefits in the first place. That was an act of war against the Wisconsin taxpayers; the taxpayers responded by electing a governor and legislature that would roll those benefits back.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  61. That’s because it is

    No, EdWood, it’s not a war, and it won’t be one no matter how many times you say it is.

    It’s politics. It’s the give and take between state employees and state government. But it’s not a war.

    Acting like it’s a war shows how little reason and rationality the unions have.

    Some chump (4c6c0c)

  62. Politics is war. That’s why we call them “campaigns”, assemble “war chests”, and “call out the troops”. And “target” vulnerable districts and states, as well as opponents.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  63. I love how spineless little clowns like Zoubida invoke “war” as if they would ever participate in a real one if called to do so.

    SPC Jack Klompus (43444b)

  64. Politics is no more war than football is. It may use some metaphors from war, but it’s not war.

    Some chump (4c6c0c)

  65. Some Chump you are right, it’s not a real war, but to people, not “Union leaders” or politicians, but the people who are going to lose something that made them feel safer in their daily lives and jobs maybe it does feel like war. People don’t protest for weeks because they are feeling miffed or inconvenienced, they do it because they feel threatened. So if it’s not “war” then it’s at least an attack. Which is why people are out in the streets and some, apparently, are getting really nutty.

    EdWood (c2268a)

  66. 1. This is a single threat, one email (singular), not threats (plural) as the headline indicates.
    2. If the email was sent by a union member or protester, the individual is responsible for their own actions. Individual behavior, not sanctioned by the group, should not reflect on the group. If a Rand Paul supporter stomps on a womans head, does that make the Tea Party or Republican party cowards who assault women? – of course not.
    3. The FBI is no involved and there is no evidence who sent this threat. It’s very possible the email was sent from inside the Wisconsin local government – after all, Walker did consider using confederate protesters. It’s not unfathomable that he too would would consider a fake threat as an excuse to shut-down the Capitol given the massive public display.
    4. Precautions have been taken to prevent a potential violent assault in connection with the threat. Time to move on and not get off the topic of the benefits or republicans of the bill passing.
    5. While public unions may lose, the entire state of Wisconsin will lose when public land and utilities are sold in a no-compete, no-bid sale. I find it very hard to believe that the Tea Party and Republicans support a sale of public owned assets without competition! If bidding were to occur, the proceeds to the state of Wisconsin could be significantly more, eliminating or lessening any future deficits. No-bid contracts, federal or state should be illegal! Why is the Tea Party supporting something that is anti-capitalistic and anti-competition?

    david (ab250c)

  67. What does anyone expect when the President talks about getting in people’s faces, or taking a gun when the other side brings a knife? Then he has the nerve to lecture us on civility–I’m still waiting for the call from the White House for civility in Wisconsin, rather than the idiotic statement he made about attacks on unions. The only real attacks any of us have seen have been by the protesters. Maybe he can move the summit on bullying to Wisconsin.

    Rochf (f3fbb0)

  68. Where’d you steal all that straw from, david? The poor horsies are going to be wanting their dinner soon.

    I’m curious. When you received the talking points were they numbered in that exact order? Or did you move them around a bit in order to feel more original?

    elissa (b8ffea)

  69. 1. This is a single threat, one email (singular), not threats (plural) as the headline indicates.

    Uh-oh! Someone didn’t read the whole post!

    Did you learn your commenting skillz from “Jim”?

    Patterico (e47b29)

  70. There were no attacks in Wisconsin, Rochf. Fox did show video of protester attacking police during a story about Wisconsin, but the footage was from a protest years ago in California for an unrelated cause. The president never said whatever it is you are referring to and any quotes you may cite were surly taken out of context. The same could be done with Republicans or Tea Party dialogue. Politics are not like sports teams, you need to apply whatever philosophy you support to all sides. Subscribing to a double-standard leads to self- contradiction which can invalidate any argument you have.

    david (ab250c)

  71. Comment by david — 3/11/2011 @ 12:25 pm

    Let me get this straight. The unions were not protesting changes to their benefits or the loss of bargaining rights. They were protesting a no-compete no bid sale of public property. How noble of them.

    Of course, if no compete contracts were their concern, they would have voluntarily given up mandatory dues and other privileges which reduce public employment to no-compete status.

    And the image of “confederate protesters” is too rich. Did you imagine Robert E. Lee was bringing his army from Virginia or something?

    kishnevi (a6ffde)

  72. Hi elissa and Patterico,

    Where’d you steal all that straw from, david? The poor horsies are going to be wanting their dinner soon. – what does that mean? Do you have something with any support. Do you support the no-bid state sale of assets?

    Yes, it’s still a threat, because the second alleged threat is only a report and not yet confirmed. When it’s confirmed, there are more than two, so it becomes, threats (plural).

    david (ab250c)

  73. kishnevi

    Confederate: someone who assists in a plot -accomplice: a person who joins with another in carrying out some plan (especially an unethical or illegal plan)

    Yes, there are historic meanings but it’s commonly used in studies, courts, by police, etc. to mean an accomplice, particularly for something illegal.

    This thread is fun!

    david (ab250c)

  74. kishnevi,

    opps forgot the last part. You likely assumed, incorrectly, that I supported the protesters. Because I don’t support their side, does not mean I mock them or add to inaccurate information. What I did not support was the clause for no-bid sales of public property. I have yet to see a Tea Party or Republican defend this clause. Instead, I see people insisting public employees get paid too much. I am sure if you make 60k or less, it’s a touchy subject, but no-bid contracts have much larger ramifications on budges, federal and state. Maybe you can help, what do you think about these, are they OK and if you are a Tea Party person, how do you defend it?

    david (ab250c)

  75. There were no attacks in Wisconsin, Rochf.

    Sure, if you don’t count the Fox News reporter that was assaulted WHILE ON THE AIR while someone blocked the camera…

    I mean, the guy works for Fox, so it isn’t like he’s a person or anything…

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  76. Rochf,

    Forgot you too…do you have anything else that addresses the content vs. the style of my ‘talking’ points? Yes, I used numbers. I would question if ‘bullets’ were better but I am sure kishnevi would assume the incorrect context and attack my speech again.

    david (ab250c)

  77. Hi Scott,

    If you are talking about Mike Tobin, of Fox, here is the wide-pan, 3rd-party video and a side-by-side of the alleged incident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5D7D84B-Hk

    You can see he was not attacked.

    Were there any other attacks perhaps I’m not aware of?

    david (ab250c)

  78. david, if you would like to discuss no bid contracts there may be a blog somewhere with a current thread on that. This thread is predominantly about personal physical attacks and death threats, tho. Thx.

    elissa (b8ffea)

  79. opps – wrong like – here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnx9p6i9L_Q

    david (ab250c)

  80. DAvid–who are you that you have “talking points”?

    Rochf (f3fbb0)

  81. elissa,

    Great, well there were no physical attacks accept for the Mike Tobin incident that was alleged but did not happen as you can see in the link.

    As for death threats, there is one confirmed, one report, and maybe some tweets. The FBI is involved, and it’s difficult to spoof email and tweets, so they hopefully will have some leads and arrests soon.

    So, is the thread over since there is nothing left to talk about or can we talk about no-bid contracts now?

    No, actually, I can’t find any threads with a defense of the no-bid contracts…I am trying though.

    david (ab250c)

  82. Rochf,

    DAvid–who are you that you have “talking points”?
    What does that mean?

    I can write in paragraph form if that’s what is preferred – I just find numbering to break the information into chunks. I’m an engineer not an English major.

    david (ab250c)

  83. ==So, is the thread over since there is nothing left to talk about..==

    Well, I guess we could talk about the slide show of death tweets from the link above. That seems quite pertinent to the thread. How do you feel about the tweets, David?

    elissa (b8ffea)

  84. I don’t ‘feel’ anything about because, frankly, I don’t know anything about it. Perhaps it’s one person sending all of this, maybe it’s union thugs, maybe it’s Walker. As I said before, the FBI is working on this and there should be some factual info and arrests soon. Until then, there is nothing to talking about unless anyone wants to make guesses and speculate without any factual information.

    david (ab250c)

  85. No more?

    So, no-bid contracts are a anti-capitalistic and un-american. Is anyone from the Tea Party attacking these? Because they are written in to most of the new legislation coming out from states.

    david (ab250c)

  86. Politics is no more war than football is. It may use some metaphors from war, but it’s not war.

    Yes, and one of those metaphors is “war”.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  87. ==Until then, there is nothing to talking about unless anyone wants to make guesses and speculate without any factual information==

    Yeah, that’s kinda how I feel about you and your talking points. You seem like a charming fellow and it’s been a blast, but I’m going to have to say bah-bye for now. Back to my job. Lay on McDuff.

    elissa (b8ffea)

  88. Did I win in under ten comments? No more personal attacks that are off subject? I love NPR, and I’m a member, but I also support gun rights, even though I don’t own a gun – don’t comment back if you head exploded.

    david (ab250c)

  89. If you’re counting up individual incidents there was also the assault on Meade, documented on Anne Althouse’s blog. It was no big deal in the greater scheme of things, but it’s a sign of how unions operate. Unions survive mostly on threats and intimidation rather than actual violence; they don’t have to beat you up if you retreat whenever they get in your face or follow your kid home from school.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  90. How about the ammunition, found near the entrances of the Capitol building.

    paul mau'dib (a3a9aa)

  91. the FBI is working on this

    And if you can’t trust Holder’s DoJ, who can you trust?

    Journolist (1db6c5)

  92. What is the significance of a few rounds lying on the ground? I never understood that.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  93. David–we’re talking about leftist violence and threats of violence in opposition to Walker’s plans. Was any of that motivated or aimed at the no bid contracts? Of course not. So the no bid contracts are irrelevant to this thread.

    And I also support gun rights without owning a gun. Does that make your head explode?

    kishnevi (a6ffde)

  94. I met Robocop, and we hung out, it was the coolest. It’s documented in the last sentence, so it must have happed – this is why information in blogs does not count.

    If did happen, it shows there are bad apples – just like when the Rand Paul supported assaulted a women, or when police abuse their power unjustly, or when soldiers knowingly attack civilians. When the protesters start attacking police in-mass, then you can attack the group.

    Martin Harty wants to ship the disabled to Siberia so I guess all Republicans must want Nazi-style policies? – of course not, Harty is an old man with poor judgement who reflects individual beliefs.

    david (ab250c)

  95. david, shouldn’t you be in the studio working on your next album?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  96. kishnevi,

    What leftist violence are you talking about. I already gave a link to show there was no physical assault and there is no evidence to show where the threat or threats came from. If you don’t know where they came from, you don’t know they are from the left (although I would not call unions, left organizations).

    There is no significant of ammunition on the ground until they like it with an individual, which has not been done.

    david (ab250c)

  97. SPQR,

    david, shouldn’t you be in the studio working on your next album? What does that mean?

    I wish I was a singer if that’s what you mean.

    david (ab250c)

  98. kishnevi,

    No-bid contracts were tied with the union bill. You seem to be concerned with leftist politics. Since the no-bid contacts will cost the State much more than any union savings and are clearly un-american, they should be the focus.

    Also, how do you know that protesters were not attacking both parts of the bill (union rights and no-bids)?

    david (ab250c)

  99. With the given that if these death threats are real I hope someone is arrested and at least given a psych evaluation if not a nice cooling off period in a calming jail cell I gotta say I like David’s third “talking point”. Next thing you know the Governor will show up on You Tube with a “brand” on his face that an evil Tea parti..um Move on..oops, I mean Union Thug gave him.

    That aside is there really some “land/contracts grab for cronies” language in the legislation? Wow.
    Why isn’t THAT all over the news? Where is the biased, Republican hating liberal media swindle machine when you need them?

    Don’t know about it?
    Leaving it for the papers and the blogs?
    Pursuing an angle of the story that they think will increase their ratings and help sell more advertising perhaps?

    EdWood (c2268a)

  100. No, David, that’s not what I mean. What I mean is that we don’t fall for Moby here.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  101. david – You should read up on those assets the state is trying to sell. Wisconsin has trying to sell them for years. No takers. Obsolete, not in compliance with current EPA standards. That’s why they’ll take any bids.

    Most likely they’ll have to pay somebody if they want to get rid of them. Seriously, educate yourself.

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  102. david – Your position is that death threats don’t matter unless you can prove who they come from? That seems a little callous, don’t you think? There are photographs of protestors holding signs wishing death upon Gov. Walker and Republicans. Is that the new civility Pres. Dumbo was talking about?

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  103. SPQR,

    No, David, that’s not what I mean. What I mean is that we don’t fall for Moby here. What does that mean? Seriously, I’m 35, I know Moby is a singer but I don’t know what you are saying.

    EdWood
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/COMPLAINT.pdf

    There is a complaint that sites the articles of the bill regarding no-bid contracts of power plants and the land the plants are located on. And yes, it was covered by good media outlets, like NPR. Unfortunately, hating unions or defending them gets more ratings…so many outlets don’t run the no-bid story.

    david (ab250c)

  104. Because its bull EdWood. david has been crowing for hurs about ‘no bid contracts’ and ‘no bid sales’ and has not mentioned one such contract or sale. I am waiting for one (just one) of these trolls to mention one thing that is being given away for free. But I’m not holding my breath.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  105. daleyrocks,

    No, they do matter – which is why they are taking precautions and why I hope someone is arrested. I never said they don’t. However, attacking protesters and calling them violent, thugs, etc. for threats that are unproven to come form them is stupid. Is that better?

    Are there really people with signs specifically wishing death upon Gov. Walker and Republicans – do you have a link? Please share. If stupid individuals make stupid decisions it’s on them.

    david (ab250c)

  106. david – If you think the assetts are being sold for less than their value then offer more for them. If you (or someone else) does not then they are not worth what the union trolls are claiming.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  107. Have Blue,

    WARNING, there is reading involved: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/COMPLAINT.pdf

    david (ab250c)

  108. Yes relying on of the more stupid of the Journolisters, Klein wasn’t apparently available, is always a bad bet, I think that wasn’t the reason that Walker, an elected official, was being compared
    to Mubarak, someone who hadn’t had one in 30 years.

    paul mau'dib (a3a9aa)

  109. Have Blue,

    Wow this is fun. I can’t offer more, because the contracts are non-bid. Even if I wanted to pay 10x the current offer, I can’t. Further, there is no set amount something is worth at an auction, the point is the get the price as high as possible and make a profit – that’s america.

    david (ab250c)

  110. Have Blue,
    David’s saying there is language in the bill the Governor signed that lets Wisconsin sell state owned assets without bids, not that there have been sales.

    D’rocks comment 101- “Wisconsin has trying to sell them for years. No takers. Obsolete, not in compliance with current EPA standards”.
    Is the no-bid clause only relevant to those particular white elephants or does it apply to other potentially more lucrative properties? It’s really hard to pin down motivations when money is involved.

    EdWood (c2268a)

  111. “However, attacking protesters and calling them violent, thugs, etc. for threats that are unproven to come form them is stupid.”

    david – It is not my fault if you only read the MSM and lefty internet sites which ban discussion of lefty violence. It has been well covered on right of center blogs if you care to do your own research.

    How did you feel about the bomb threat to Gov. Walker at the airport outside Madison a week and a half ago. The police arrested a lefty loon in that one. You probably didn’t read about that one either due to the media cover up.

    Latest count is 18 Wisconsin Republican Senators receiving death threats as of this a.m., but those are not facts according to your comments. Protestors smashing the windows of the Republicans’ cars as they left the capitol Wednesday night were not violent either.

    Do you live in a bubble?

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  112. EdWood,

    Great point. Like most legal speak, it’s general and open and does not cite specific properties. So, yes it could be used for anything if not challenged.

    As for the outdated plants, there is still no reason to make them non-bid, estimate the value minus EPA compliance and start the biding…of course, EPA compliance may be less strict since these standards are being questioned.

    david (ab250c)

  113. David, if you don’t know about the intimidation, and haven’t seen the signs, then you just haven’t been following this story. Drop everything you’re doing and read Anne Althouse’s blog for the past two weeks; she and her husband Meade are on the scene and have got all you need to know about what’s actually been happening. And she’s a Democrat, so you needn’t fear partisan bias.

    I can’t offer more, because the contracts are non-bid. Even if I wanted to pay 10x the current offer, I can’t.

    Don’t be silly; what’s stopping you. Just write to the governor or the treasurer and tell them how much you’re offering. Do you think they’ll reject your bid? Why would they do that? Your money is just as green as anyone else’s.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  114. EdWood – The lefty conspiracy theory talking point is that Gov. Walker is going to sell utility assets to the Koch’s at firesale prices. The Koch’s have publicly disclaimed any interest in the assets and the assets themselves are pieces of sh*t that have been on the market for years. It is another stupid, contrived talking point that should never have been advanced if anybody had attempted to do any research in advance, which the left never does.

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  115. david – You link to a PDF of a complaint about a violation of the open meetings law. It says noting (that I can find in a fast skim) about sale of state assets, with or with out bills.

    As to the complaint, apparantly some believe that when a legilator, or group of legislators, absent themselves from the state in a childish temper tantrum the legislative majority is required to halt business until they are given adequate time to return to their office before any business is advanced.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  116. the assets themselves are pieces of sh*t that have been on the market for years.

    So I guess the idea is that as soon as a reasonable offer comes in, the state should have the ability to accept it and close the deal before the offeror comes to his senses.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  117. daleyrocks,

    MSN is lefty – they plug article searches into BING…no, I don’t read their search results.

    As for the arrest. I guy called-in a bomb threat and no charges have been filed – he took part in protests. Sounds like they got their man – so you may have found one ‘left loon’ as O’Reilly says…

    This is less than .001 percent of people involved in protests and this guy, if guilty, is responsible for his own actions.

    david (ab250c)

  118. “Like most legal speak, it’s general and open and does not cite specific properties. So, yes it could be used for anything if not challenged.”

    david – Do you have a link to the language? What properties were you concerned about being sold?

    It really seems like you have a very limited knowledge of the overall situation.

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  119. Wow. In 115 ‘noting’ should be nothing, ‘bills’ sholud be bids, and ‘legilator’ should be legislator.

    I obviously need to stop trying to comment on three different blogs at the same time.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  120. Milhouse,

    Great, then the clause can read, when an offer is made x days are allowed before the sale for a count-offer. 1-day, 2-days, there needs to be room for competition.

    page 24 of the 144 budget repair bill is the text of the no-bid bill.

    david (ab250c)

  121. david – Your link still goes to a PDF that has nothing to do with no bid sales.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  122. Have Blue,

    Yes it’s is bad when this type of incident occurs – but it happens on both sides. Don’t forget, there is currently a threat to shut-down the government if x amount of budget cuts don’t occur. Or is that behavior OK, because, in this instance, it’s for a cause you may believe in?

    david (ab250c)

  123. Under the budget-repair bill passed by the Assembly on Friday, no bids would be required for the state to sell up to 37 heating and cooling plants across the state.

    The bill would empower the secretary of the state Department of Administration to sell the plants, which primarily serve University of Wisconsin campuses, including those in Madison and Milwaukee, as well as state prisons and other facilities.

    In a change from a similar proposal that Republican lawmakers sought six years ago, the bill stripped a requirement that the Public Service Commission review whether the sale is in the public interest…………….

    A Wisconsin utility leader and the head of a utility watchdog group both questioned why any private company would be interested in the plants.

    “They’d be lucky to get one bid,” said Charlie Higley, executive director of the Citizens’ Utility Board, a utility customer group. “But the governor’s policy is still wrong. No bid is not good.”

    Higley said he believes the state would be hard-pressed to find a lower-cost option than running the plants itself, because its borrowing costs are lower than a private company’s, and it doesn’t need to earn a profit on its investment.

    “Any private company is going to want to earn a return on that investment, and the only way they would end up doing that is to charge higher prices for the steam or the electricity, and that means higher costs for Wisconsin,” Higley said.

    David Benforado said he was glad there will be Joint Finance Committee review of any plant sales, but said that based on his experience running Municipal Electric Utilities of Wisconsin, there may not be much value in the plants.

    “These plants are probably all fully depreciated plants, and that’s not the time to sell,” he said.

    Jeff Plale, a former Democratic state senator who was hired by the Walker administration to run the Division of State Facilities, said he didn’t think a bidding process is appropriate for the sale of the heating plants. “A bid implies that there is a value in the physical asset,” he said.

    It’s difficult to tell what kind of price they could fetch, particularly because of environmental liabilities. Several of the old coal plants are in potential violation of the Clean Air Act because they lack modern pollution controls, Plale said.

    “A number of these plants have potential environmental liabilities hanging over their head. How that falls into the mix still needs to be addressed,” Plale said.

    http://www.jsonline.com/business/116965798.html

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  124. “This is less than .001 percent of people involved in protests and this guy, if guilty, is responsible for his own actions.”

    david – The above is called minimization and rationalization. Where is your condemnation?

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  125. daleyrocks,

    Excellent copy and paste abilities. So, if they still if for $1 – that’s OK? a bid window of 5 days would at least provide competition.

    david (ab250c)

  126. Soros is really not getting much value for his media investments.

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  127. “Excellent copy and paste abilities.”

    david – You did not know anything about the issue nor apparently did many others on the blog, so I provided background. If you want to pretend it’s a major issue, knock yourself out.

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  128. david – Next dishonest talking point?

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  129. Au contraire, daley, they deliberately lie, or omit
    facts, cause a ruckus, and then when caught, put up a halfhearted apology, knowing full well, the first
    statement will make the main impression,

    jon cryer (a3a9aa)

  130. daleyrocks at 123 – Someone actully was stupid enough to question, in print, whether or not a private company could run a plant more efficiently than a government agency? While there reasons why some functions should be left to the government, efficiency is never one of them.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  131. jon cryer – You are rigth, which is why the lies need to be fought aggressively. Meanwhile, others can use david as a chew toy is he has the testicular fortitude to stick around.

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  132. Yes it’s is bad when this type of incident occurs – but it happens on both sides.

    No, it does not.

    Don’t forget, there is currently a threat to shut-down the government if x amount of budget cuts don’t occur.

    What’s that got to do with anything?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  133. Milhouse – Because a “threat” to shut down the government is the same as an email to a Republican senator promising to “put a bullet in your head”. :roll:

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  134. I think “jon cryer” was a sockpuppet friday victim, speaking as a guy who almost signed this post George W Bush…

    carlitos (01d172)

  135. Mr. cryer is none other than our good friend Mr. narciso I think hi Mr. narciso it is very nearly the weekend here on the left coast I learned last night I have absolutely no alcohol at the house unless you count tequila.

    Which I guess that’s ok mostly what I’m craving lately is coconut juice anyway.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  136. Sorry about that, now the Secretary of State, is not allowing the WI law to take effect for two weeks, part of another Soros project, you look around, anything that prevents energy extraction, national defense, consciencous budgeting he’s behind
    it/

    narciso (a3a9aa)

  137. narciso, the “broken windows” fallacy is a common one among people as economically ignorant as the entire Obama administration.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  138. “David” is a good little manic footsoldier.

    JÐ (ac417f)

  139. daleyrocks, JÐ

    Nice mockery JÐ, at least daleyrocks provided some support, albeit, from a blog.

    But assuming it’s true, you are still defending a no-bid sale? Sorry, I don’t understand. If there is a bid, there is value, and if there is value, there is a possibility of more than one bid, hence a greater price for public property. Yes, bidding takes time and if there is an urgent need you limit the need, not remove it altogether. If they called of the specific locations, perhaps it would be ok, but it’s not, it’s any public utility, heat, energy, or power.

    Where can I find the talking points people keep referring to? At least daleyrocks had a specific event to cite with the Airport threat…

    “David” is a good little manic footsoldier – ah, I don’t get these sayings…I still don’t know what Moby means other than the singer. How am I manic – I am not to the right or left of anything or calling for extreme solutions. Please explain.

    It looks like most the statements on this thread are broad generalizations

    david (ab250c)

  140. Milhouse – Because a “threat” to shut down the government is the same as an email to a Republican senator promising to “put a bullet in your head”.

    Comment by Have Blue — 3/11/2011 @ 2:58 pm

    - No, no no…you said Dems were acting like babies when the fled the state. I agree, and pointed out the the behavior occurs on both sides as Republicans are currently threating to shut-down the government of they don’t get their budget cuts. This is not related to email threats…

    david (ab250c)

  141. david, you really haven’t been paying attention have you? Or are you just incompetent at your “Squirrel!” act? The Democrats have stated that they won’t support further continuing resolutions, and the President is threatening to shut down the government.

    Try either paying attention or not misrepresenting.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  142. SPQR,

    Like in 1995 when the GOP shut down the government under the “leadership” of Newt Gingrich? This was the Democrats right?

    If it occurs, it will backfire again, like it did in 1995 – during the surplus years of Clinton.

    david (ab250c)

  143. david, I can’t figure out if you are that stupid or that dishonest.

    Obama admin official threatening shutdown.

    Now take your incompetent and ignorant troll routine somewhere else.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  144. SPQR, really I don’t know the Moby thing, I’m 35. I googled him, I still don’t get it.

    david (ab250c)

  145. SPQR – Santa is not real and all links on the internet are not true…I could find a website that states the exact opposite, see: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/02/15/rep_weiner_gop_threatening_to_shut_down_government_during_war.html – and my link has video so it must be extra true…I could find 50 or even 500 articles for and against Democrats…The GOP is counter-offering a non-feasible spending, this is the threat…It’s like me walking into a car dealer and offering $5.00 for a mercedes and then blaming the dealership for not selling me the car…

    david (ab250c)

  146. david, yeah ’cause Talking Points Memo is such a pro-Republican website.

    Leaning toward incompetence being the explanation for your bizarre comments.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  147. SPQR, you’re like a jive-turkey, robo-cop, time machine.

    See, that’s how I see the Moby comment, I still don’t get it.

    david (ab250c)

  148. SPQL,

    It’s still a single website.

    david (ab250c)

  149. Now moby doesn’t really apply, because he’s not pretending to be a conservative, just a troll, although he’s graduating to uruk hai orc:

    narciso (a3a9aa)

  150. At least that likes with troll…

    What makes you think Moby is pretending…actually never mind…

    If I said something without backing it, please let me know. Admittedly, the robo-cop time machine comment was troll-like but only used to make an analogy.

    david (ab250c)

  151. This is just more leftist performance art.

    David – we are laughing AT you, not with you. You came armed with your talking points and memes, and have proven yourself to be fundamentally dishonest. Your above the fray act stands in stark contrast to your lies, feigned ignorance, or willful ignorance. At any rate, asshats like you have tried your act here many times before.

    JÐ (ac417f)

  152. I am upset with the bargaining being kept for public police and firefighters. Any thoughts on this?

    david (ab250c)

  153. And of course the fact that Obama threatened to veto a continuing resolution last month too is still more than david can comprehend.

    He has to try to make it all the GOP’s threat … even though that is false.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  154. JÐ please just one instance, one example. Anyone can call anyone a lier or ignorant – it’s easy. JÐ, you’re robocop. See? If I tried to back that up, I’d be wrong. Now you try. Go.

    Here is a template, it’s like a mad-lib:
    david, when you said [my quote], you were wrong because [reason one or more].

    david (ab250c)

  155. SPQR,

    I tried to make this easy, can I buy your car for a dollar or will you veto my offer?

    Now, if this was no-bid, I’d have you’re sweet car!

    david (ab250c)

  156. I am upset with the bargaining being kept for public police and firefighters. Any thoughts on this?

    Any more threats for Walker?

    david (ab250c)

  157. lite brite making things with light what a sight making things with lite brite

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  158. david, your analogy is false, like your claims about who is threatening to shut down government.

    Why do you write so many false claims?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  159. SPQR,

    Warmer, tell me exactly what’s wrong with it.

    david (ab250c)

  160. I already demonstrated, with two news reports, why your claim was false. So is an inability to read english, coupled with a penchant for writing false claims, your only abilities as a troll?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  161. SPQR, don’t copy an paste a link – if we had a link war it would be endless. I gave you a link that stated the opposite. Explain with your words, not someone’s article.

    david (ab250c)

  162. david, do you know how magnets work?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  163. Yes, SPQR, opposite sides attract (like you and I!) and like sides repel, each side gaining it’s property from magnetic North and South poles located at the on the earth’s axis.

    What’s your point?

    david (ab250c)

  164. Here is a good illustration of the situation in Wisconsin.

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  165. I think Michael Moore ought to donate his natural resources to the working families of Wisconsin, rich hypocritical non-union using bastard that he is, and then he should take a bath.

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  166. Really, that’s the link – I think they could have added the word boycott at the end. I expected more info on a violent threat…

    The author seems to think a boycott is like extortion, anyone agree?

    david (ab250c)

  167. daleyrocks, that was a very good demonstration of an opinion.

    david (ab250c)

  168. So, where the police and firefighters not included – their bargaining can cost tax payers money?

    david (ab250c)

  169. narciso – The crazy union thugs are also threatening to burn down the businesses of people not strictly toeing the union line. Property damage threats, death threats and boycott threats.

    All hail the tolerant left and democratic process and the new civility.

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  170. M& I, was bought by a Canadian bank, Harris Bank, btw, with offices in Chicago, among other places

    narciso (a3a9aa)

  171. Surprised he did not try to deny it. I am surprised people don’t realize how easily texts and emails can be traced.

    david (ab250c)

  172. don’t comment back if you head exploded- david
    I’ve yet to see a head explode around here, sides bursting from laughter, yes, heads exploding, no.

    It’s very possible the email was sent from inside the Wisconsin local government
    or from a pumping station for one of the canals on Mars.

    I am upset with the bargaining being kept for public police and firefighters. Any thoughts on this? – Comment by david
    One of two possibilities:
    1. Walker was doing a favor to all three (or was it four) police officers in Madison that voted for him.
    2. In spite of their dereliction of duty in the last few weeks, it is noted that police and fire fighters have jobs that are a bit more hazardous than many and an accomodation is being made for that.

    I tried to make this easy, can I buy your car for a dollar or will you veto my offer?
    Now, if this was no-bid, I’d have you’re sweet car!
    – Comment by david
    That would be great!! Especially if that sweet car is impounded by the police until the speeding tickets and towing fees are paid so the repo man can steal it out of your driveway.

    MD (from UW-Madison) in Philly (3d3f72)

  173. daleyrocks, sorry. That’s not video of threats and I see no evidence of calls in your link – have any more?

    david (ab250c)

  174. MD,

    Yes, it was and still is possible, that a threat or threats were sent from inside. Possible is only a chance… possibility.

    You don’t give political favors to people who vote for you – that’s an ethics violation.

    Sorry, I don’t get you third point about the repo man and such.

    david (ab250c)

  175. You don’t give political favors to people who vote for you – that’s an ethics violation.

    You have a statute to cite for that? Or are you just making it up like the rest of your claims.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  176. One response, and one only

    Yes, and it is still possible that it came from a Dem inside who was serious

    You especially don’t give political favors to people who don’t vote for you, because that’s down right stupid. Did you follow the situation in Madison, BTW?

    daley pointed out that the prime properties you are concerned about going in no-bid sales have all of the appeal of a car in the position I described.

    My original answers still made more sense than your responses.

    Now, I have better things to do.

    MD (from UW-Madison) in Philly (3d3f72)

  177. SPQR,
    No, I don’t. Ethics violations are usually general and have to be argued in court. The term used is logrolling. So, it’s unknown if this truly is an ethics violation until it’s proved such, but past instances have been proven in court. Usually when money is involved it becomes a conviction – benefits to police and firefighters seem like money in the form of compensation.

    Do you agree with people getting compensation to vote one way or another?

    david (ab250c)

  178. MD,

    original answers as opposed to my artificial ones?

    Possible is possible I don’t see how you can’t understand.

    Don’t get you second point.

    daley pointed out what properties? There are no addresses in the bill that I linked to in the thread. If addresses were given, it may have been more justified, but there were not. Sorry, no-bid is still no-bid – I’ll buy your card for 30 cents, not so good a deal is it, even it’s a really really bad car.

    david (ab250c)

  179. david: they are calling you Moby, Dick. I am 47 and, although I have never owned one, I have ridden a horse, if that helps.

    kaf (4a1752)

  180. kaf,

    Totally get it now! Thanks for the link. I am not pretending to be a consecrative – I am not one (<- see I'm not a Moby)…

    I agree with some principles but certainly not all. I they would give up the bible fight, and adopt their fiscal policy to themselves and the military, I would be more on-board. Ron/Rand Paul are not bad minus the bible stuff, but they are already being turned-on.

    david (ab250c)

  181. Sure you do, Rand wants to cut much more deeply than anything Walker would ever contemplate.

    narciso (a3a9aa)

  182. kaf, BTW, excellent comma usage. Is this how you treat people who don’t agree with out? Perhaps you’re as bad as the protesters who shout names at people. But if you can’t argue, you can resort to name calling.

    I hope you don’t think the kind of thing that the singer Moby suggested does not happen on both sides? Jerks come form all walks of life.

    david (ab250c)

  183. narciso,

    you are correct, narciso. BUT, he wants cuts from everyone – including the military, corporate welfare, tax loopholes, and he may even resort to tax increases to balance the budget. This is what is meant by everyone making sacrifices. He also supports scaling back operations in many countries that we don’t benefit from.

    The amount is not the issue so much as where the cuts are coming from.

    david (ab250c)

  184. into every generation a cutter is born

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  185. david:

    Do you live in Wisconsin? Just wondering. You seem to have a dog in the fight, but it’s not clear why.

    I’m also sorry you are not consecrative. I hate autofill, too.

    Ag80 (efea1d)

  186. If Walker had cut business tax breaks – which is where the WI deficit came from…police, firefighters, and tax loopholes – he would save much much more, he would have a surplus!

    david (ab250c)

  187. Ag80,

    No, just an engineering in CA (don’t worry it’s newport beach – very republican area so no booing)…just started reading the news today and found this thread. I am testing some code and it’s has to run as I make corrections – so this is fun while I wait.

    I do dislike the general attacks – like when people say left wing loons – I don’t like the polarization that’s occurring in politics or the acceptance of blogs or options as news. Politics are becoming like sports with people attacking the other side and defending their home team without question – it’s like Philly fans MD! – I’m from Philly originally.

    david (ab250c)

  188. Are you really that stupid, to not know there was a deficit under Doyle, speaking of logrollers per excellence, that the problem was aggravated by the special session, even before Walker took office. Now if you rely on the Times, I might excuse that
    up to a point,

    narciso (a3a9aa)

  189. Ag80, I am not supporting anyone. Actually, I hate tenure promotions and union pay. I don’t like private education either. I want to a private school, it was great – but not all schools are good and some, like charter schools, use tax payer money with no benefit. Actually, I’d rather see privatized schools with government regulation – booting schools that fail and making way for those that work. What I also don’t like is the no-bid deal that went with this – it was slipped in – very sneaky and has nothing to do the unions.

    david (ab250c)

  190. narciso,

    The WI budged was balanced before Walker took office. $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January was passed that consisted of tax breaks intended to create jobs. Tax breaks have not been significantly correlated with job creation… 0 – 140million = deficit although the number I hear is 137 mill but close enough.

    david (ab250c)

  191. Yes, it’s still a threat, because the second alleged threat is only a report and not yet confirmed. When it’s confirmed, there are more than two, so it becomes, threats (plural).

    It’s confirmed. Follow the damn links.

    Patterico (e47b29)

  192. david:

    Thanks for the response. I don’t live in Wisconsin either.

    I know nothing about Wisconsin politics. I can draw opinions about what I see and hear, and like you, I can comment on what I think.

    I think the people of Wisconsin elected delegates to represent them. If they do not agree with the actions of the elected delegates, they will have the opportunity to replace them.

    You seem to have some concern about how that state disposes of public property. If that is a big concern for you, OK.

    I can’t imagine how it affects engineering in California, but everyone needs a hobby.

    Posting here is one of mine. I enjoy it. But don’t expect everyone to jump on board with your revealed wisdom.

    Also remember that Patterico generally doesn’t delete disagreeing posts or ban without cause.

    Ag80 (efea1d)

  193. Sorry, no-bid is still no-bid – I’ll buy your card for 30 cents, not so good a deal is it, even it’s a really really bad car.

    For someone who claims to be an engineer, david, you really aren’t very bright. The engineers that I know and work with would understand the point that seems to have eluded your grasp.

    30 cents for a car — even a really bad car — sounds like a great deal, doesn’t it? But when you find out that with the title to that car comes a $15,000 liability plus another $10,000 in repairs, then it’s not such a good deal.

    That’s the point that daley and all the others have been trying to make: the properties in question will cost more to bring up to code than they are worth as operating properties, no matter what the sale price.

    Some chump (e84e27)

  194. “If Walker had cut business tax breaks – which is where the WI deficit came from”

    david – No business tax cuts have gone into effect in Wisconsin yet. There is a deficit without them.

    Why do all your discredited talking points seem to come from leftard blogs? Do you suffer from epistemic closure. Ex lax can help with that.

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  195. I’m going to put a finer point on it, for david’s sake.

    David, let’s say you just got a no-bid sale on my car for $1. You did your homework, and found out that high retail Blue Book on that car is $1000, so you’ve just got an instant 99,900% profit. Great deal, right?

    I sign over the title and give you the keys, and you go to start the car. But the car won’t start. Won’t even budge. But you have to get the car off my property, so you pay $90 to have it towed to a repair place.

    Well, the first thing they tell you is the battery’s shot. That’s $100 you need to pay. But it’s still less than the Blue Book, right? So you lay out the $100 and replace the battery.

    But the car still won’t start. Your mechanic spends three hours looking at it, at $50 an hour, and tells you the engine is seized and completely ruined. Now, if you spend the $3500 on a rebuilt engine, he’ll forgo the $150 for the diagnostic work. What the hell, it’s only money, right? You just got a car for a dollar, that’s a great deal! So you lay out the $3500 and in about a week your car is ready.

    You climb into the driver’s seat and start the engine. It cranks for a little bit and then catches. Doesn’t exactly purr like a kitten, but it sounds okay (what do you expect from a rebuild, anyway?). You slip the car into reverse and back out of the parking spot.

    But the car doesn’t move.

    Your mechanic comes over and says, “Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you: the transmission’s shot, too. That’s gonna cost $2500 for a rebuild, and it’ll take another week.” So, you shell out another $2500, wait another week, and come to pick up your car.

    Yeah, it starts up. Yeah, you can back it out of the parking spot. But when you go above 10 mph, you hear a deafening grinding sound from the front end, and the car pulls violently to the right, narrowly missing a parked Mercedes Benz (thank God you didn’t hit that!). Yup, your steering and suspension are all blown to hell. $1200 for the steering, $600 for new shocks and struts, $450 for new CV joints and bearings, and $120 for a realignment.

    That dollar isn’t looking like such a great investment now, is it? And you were wondering why I was smiling so much when I took your money.

    So you lay out another $2370, and now the car runs…well, it runs like a car with 130,000 miles on it. Oh, I guess you didn’t notice the front end damage when you bought the car. That’s another $4500, and then your car will look almost new.

    So now you’ve laid out a grand total of $12961 for a car that would be worth $1000…except when you look at the title, it says “SALVAGE” on it. It’s worthless. It wasn’t even worth the buck you spent on it. But, hey, I’m glad you took it off my hands, I didn’t want to pay someone to haul it away.

    Nice going, david!

    Some chump (e84e27)

  196. “daleyrocks, sorry. That’s not video of threats and I see no evidence of calls in your link – have any more?”

    david – I’m sorry, I must have missed something. I did not claim there was video in my link. In terms of no evidence of calls, only the self-reporting of the business owners of 50 threatening calls and the subsequent forced relocation of the meeting is in the link. I have no reason to doubt the business owner. What makes you doubt them?

    Given the documented threats to other business owners in the state, the threats seem perfectly consistent with the union thug behavior. Seriously, why would you have doubts? What constitutes evidence in your world?

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  197. Comment by MD (from UW-Madison) in Philly — 3/11/2011 @ 5:22 pm
    The explanation I heard from Walker on Meet the Press (I think–or one of the other Sunday morning news shows, if it wasn’t) was much more pragmatic:

    A teacher’s strike is merely a severe annoyance and inconvenience; a police/firefighter strike is extremely hazardous, and he simply didn’t want to risk it.

    You will notice that the police unions seem to be solidly against the new law.

    Comment by Some chump — 3/11/2011 @ 6:32 pm
    I’m going to agree with David here. The properties may be close to worthless (presumably the land the buildings are built on has some value as real estate), but that’s not a rationale for no-bid contracts. If they have that little value, no one would make an offer for them, bid or no-bid procedure in place; if they have some value, a bidding process is the best way to establish what their actual economic value is.

    But this part of the bill was simply an ad hoc justification seized on by the unions. As I pointed out above, mandatory dues and the rest of the arrangements they want to keep are themselves versions of no-bid contracts.

    kishnevi (bb4d18)

  198. It appears that david’s six hour shift on this one single thread has ended. Hopefully he is done permanently and is not just on dinner break.

    elissa (b8ffea)

  199. david – What if there is only one bid on an asset, which is the scenario under Walker’s bill. Under your preferred rules could a sale of assets take place or would it have to wait until another bid was obtained, however ridiculous? Could a relative of a state employee make a bid of $1 for something and then meet your criteria for a bid process?

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  200. Good Allah, will this idiot ever shut up?! I do not see it, therefore it has not been proven. Sorry, David, but people here have been more than patient with your lies, your willful ignorance, and general asshattery. Example? You want an example. Your assertion that walker caused the deficit with tax cuts is a lie. A bald faced lie. An aggressive leftist talking point lie.

    JÐ (6d8a47)

  201. elissa – I’m not sure david is out of Jergens yet.

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  202. “if they have some value, a bidding process is the best way to establish what their actual economic value is.”

    kishnevi – Nothing in the bill prevents them from having a bidding process if multiple buyers turn up for the junk, but the bill does not tie their hands. It’s a red herring point.

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  203. Off topic, but JD, what, the deal with the cross-hatch on your D?

    Ag80 (efea1d)

  204. Well, daley, he did mention several times how much fun he was having. eeew. Honestly, have any of our other pests intellectual giants and sparring partners ever gone six straight hours literally replying to each and every other commenter?

    elissa (b8ffea)

  205. I do not know where that came from. My blackberry was spitting out some cyrillic symbols earlier too. No idea. Moving sucks.

    JÐ (0a8729)

  206. “have any of our other pests intellectual giants and sparring partners ever gone six straight hours literally replying to each and every other commenter?”

    elissa – Maybe they’re paying them more nowadays.

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  207. It’s a red herring point
    Actually, coming from the public employee’s union, it’s a hypocritical point. Public employee union contracts are good examples of no-bid contracts.

    But there are differences among a public bidding process in which only one bidder shows up, an informal process in which it becomes apparent that no competing bids could be expected, and a process in which a bid is accepted without the person responsible for making the contract making at least a minimal effort to see if other bidders are available. The latter is what is usually referred to as “no bid”, and usually suggests a situation in which the bidder pays less then the true value or (in the case of vendor contracts) receives payment in excess of the true value of the goods/services received.

    kishnevi (bb4d18)

  208. JD: Just curious.

    I’m sure david is a good guy, but there may be a reason that most code-testing is done overseas these days. I mean if I were HP or whoever he works for, I would be wondering why he’s wasting time posting his opinion on Wisonsin politicss rather than, you know, testing code.

    Being clever doesn’t pay the bills.

    Ag80 (efea1d)

  209. You moved to Russia??

    Patterico (e47b29)

  210. Ag80:
    He was testing code:
    No, just an engineering in CA (don’t worry it’s newport beach – very republican area so no booing)…just started reading the news today and found this thread. I am testing some code and it’s has to run as I make corrections – so this is fun while I wait.

    I suppose we just have to wait and see if he comes back or not.

    kishnevi (bb4d18)

  211. unions send threatening letters to businesses in WI.

    http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes/117764004.html?blog=y

    elissa (b8ffea)

  212. “The latter is what is usually referred to as “no bid”, and usually suggests a situation in which the bidder pays less then the true value or (in the case of vendor contracts) receives payment in excess of the true value of the goods/services received.”

    kishnevi – The latter is referred to as a sweetheart deal and unethical. If that is the real concern, those people should not be in the positions they hold, which is why I consider it a red herring issue.

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  213. so the union police losers in wisconsin are boycotting private businesses now elissa? Where do these ignorant union lard-asses think the money comes from what pays for their retire-at-55-most-likely-on-disability lifestyles?

    The truth is if you’re used up and useless at 55 you most likely weren’t worth a bucket of warm spit to begin with.

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  214. those people should not be in the positions they hold
    “Should not” is not the same as “are not”, unfortunately.
    The best defense against sweetheart deals is to make the process as transparent as possible, so that sort of deal doesn’t have the chance of being made.

    (Just to be clear, I’m not really disagreeing with what you’re saying.)

    kishnevi (bb4d18)

  215. oh. In Wisconsin the coddled union police pansies can retire at 50. It’s all the other illiterate union time-servers what get to retire at 55.

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  216. Be great if private businesses in Wisconsin sent threatening letters to the WI Dept of Revenue.

    Hey if the Po-Po can strike for more donuts and a disability pension after 20 years of hardly working — why can’t tax payers refuse to pay.

    Can’t arrest all of us.

    Torquemada (2a42d3)

  217. … and if they did arrest us then they definitely have no where to go for their lard asses to retire when most of us are thinking “how the hell am I paying for these kids college?”

    Torquemada (2a42d3)

  218. you can get cheese curds at Trader Joe’s sometimes

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  219. sorry I was thinking of Wisconsin union lard-asses and I remembered about the tasty cheese curds

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  220. david is long gone. He just wanted to get a rise with his Kos buddies.

    Snickers with a side of snark.

    Ag80 (efea1d)

  221. Seeing TV’s ‘Monk’ Shalhoub, going to protest there, although he hasn’t lived in Green Bay in 25 years is a little distressing, but not so surprising.

    narciso (a3a9aa)

  222. Mr. Feets – You can also buy cheese in the shape of Wisconsin in Wisconsin. You don’t see that everywhere.

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  223. chocolate covered cheese curds. Mars Cheese Castle.

    elissa (b8ffea)

  224. that sounds mysterious and wonderful like something Harry Potter would eat on a train … they have these at Ralph’s and they’re from wisconsin… they’re kinda pricey I’ve bought them for friends but I’ve haven’t tried them myself yet

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  225. for reals I’ve haven’t

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  226. happyfeet at 215 – The Police Union official Palmer, who wrote that letter threatening boycotts was called at home by a female official of the union who told him she had been involved in a traffic accident. (She had gone off a road, across a driveway, through a snowbank and nocked an outbuilding off its foundation.) Palmer drove the the scene of the accident where police noticed that both he and the original accident driver appeared intoxicated. Both were found to be approximatley twice the legal limit.

    Will try and find the site that I originally read this at.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  227. And now I see that the numbering has changed, my 232 was meant for happyfeet at the comment now numbering 217.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  228. I don’t know, I like chocolate, and I like cheese, but there’s something that disturbs the very forces
    of nature in that combination

    narciso (a3a9aa)

  229. This is what you were looking for, Have Blue

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/bizarre/6790436.html

    narciso (a3a9aa)

  230. Narciso-then you’d prolly be leery of chocolate covered bacon, too, I suppose. They have that in a tent at the WI State Fair.

    elissa (b8ffea)

  231. I might risk it, if I’m ever up there.

    narciso (a3a9aa)

  232. Thank you Mr. narciso is this part interesting? I think this part is interesting…

    …faces one count of first offense driving while under the influence, a traffic violation akin to speeding

    that just strikes me as odd.

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  233. elissa – I saw a bacon bikini on the intertubes. They have bacon eating contests in Iowa. Don’t know about Wisconsin. Bacon is one of the five food groups I think.

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  234. I don’t think the dirty socialist Associated Press would have used that particular phrase if it had been a Team R person what got busted driving drunk instead of a union whore.

    But then I can be so terribly cynical.

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  235. Please don’t put yourself down, Mr.Feets. Yes, it’s true you can be cynical at times. But there’s a sweetness about you when you talk about food and when you reminisce about your relative in jail.

    elissa (b8ffea)

  236. All gorebull warmings fault which was caused by the rethuglican backed ice age.

    DohBiden (984d23)

  237. Sarcasm obviously

    DohBiden (984d23)

  238. narciso – That is the incident but not the exact story. The one I read listed the BAC’s of both offenders, as I recall they were both in the .14 to .15 range.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  239. Leftys are such hypocrites

    Whine abut the separation of church and state but whine about islamophobes telling the ground zero mosque imam to not build a mosque

    Believe in gorebullshit warming but yet they whine about having to give up their planes and Escalades.

    Oppose Dictatorships unless they spread the wealth around.

    DohBiden (984d23)

  240. just to let you guys know, it appears the reactor is in meltdown in japan.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  241. thank you elissa. Also you remindered me. I had my first vegan ice cream today! It’s been open awhile and it’s right between my hutch and work but I’d never stopped til today.

    It’s really really sad.

    It has a texture nobody would ever associate with ice cream. It’s all made from almond milk or coconut milk and one other milk… probably soy. The ones that use honey are even worse… vegan ice cream guy insisted I try the honey kind before committing – so I tried the strawberry one and it was gack so I ended up with chocolate mint… which I didn’t bother to try first.

    The only thing ice cream-like about it was it was cold. Ice cream isn’t supposed to be crumbly. Me and NG decided it tasted like the fuzzy ice cream that’s been in the freezer too long. Also it was $4 for one scoop. Be real. That is not austere. But get this…

    They were offering a $12 vegan ice cream banana split. It’s right here on the menu. There’s just no way anybody’s gonna suffer through that large a quantity of vegan ice cream and feel good about not having $12 anymore afterwards.

    I feel bad for them so I might go back for some juice drinks – they have a yerba mate drink – or coffee drinks – and they have kale salad which is really healthy and very spensive wherever you go so might as well get it from these kids.

    But me and vegan ice cream, we’re done. That was just silly.

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  242. note to self: never hurts to refresh before yammering on about vegan ice cream while nuclear disasters are unfolding

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  243. Vegan ice cream?

    DohBiden (984d23)

  244. I wouldn’t go for that, even on a bet, specially not for $12.00, I thought you were thrifty, pikachu.

    narciso (a3a9aa)

  245. I just got one scoop so they dinged me for $4 is all. But yeah mostly these days I try to be very, very austere.

    happyfeet (ab5779)

  246. david the threadjacker is NOT a Moby . . . .

    . . . he’s a Yelverton!

    Icy Texan (680204)

  247. David at 194 and 195- Those were the last decent comments on this thread (OK except for kishnevi’s a little later, liked the “unions are a no-bid contract” comment)

    I hope he comes back. He had some smart things to say.

    Oh and the name callers on the thread got PWNED which was funny.

    EdWood (bdacb9)

  248. Ha Ha Ed

    daleyrocks (ae76ce)

  249. We all yearn for EdWood’s approval.

    JÐ (cae88c)

  250. Aw poor baby EdWood did your mommy forget to get you your apple juice?

    DohBiden (984d23)

  251. Ethics violations are usually general and have to be argued in court. The term used is logrolling. So, it’s unknown if this truly is an ethics violation until it’s proved such, but past instances have been proven in court. Usually when money is involved it becomes a conviction – benefits to police and firefighters seem like money in the form of compensation.

    This is another example of the fabrications that david trades in. You can’t convict someone of something without a specific statutory standard.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  252. =He had some smart things to say==

    then, it’s a darn shame he wasted all his time- and ours-for hours-without managing to say even any of those smart things. Lost chances never come back again.

    elissa (2670fa)

  253. Bullshit Edwood he was just projecting all his marxist rhetoric on to us

    DohBiden (984d23)

  254. EdWood, really? 194 was incoherent drivel and 195 was a claim that was debunked weeks ago.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  255. Edwood is drunk and passed out.

    DohBiden (984d23)


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