Stupid Lawyer Pesters President with Incompetent Request for Pardon for Charles Manson
[Guest post by Aaron Worthing; if you have tips, please send them here.]
As a palate clenser, we get this idiotic story from TMZ:
Giovanni Di Stefano — known as “The Devil’s Advocate” — tells TMZ, he wants the Prez to set Manson free.
Di Stefano — who has also repped the likes of Saddam Hussein — says Manson was nothing more than a cult leader, not a murderer — Manson didn’t do the killing. Di Stefano says at worst, Manson is guilty of telling his followers to “do something witchy” — never specifying murder.
Di Stefano complains, “Manson has been made out in America to be the Satan of the criminal justice system. He does not deserve the title.”
Right. It is quite unfair the way we portray Manson as evil. I mean look at that face!
Who could stay mad a face like that?
But the most ridiculous thing about this? Manson was convicted under California state law. And the President of the United States has no power to grant a pardon for state crimes.
Amazingly this idiot lawyer notes that Manson was convicted under California law on page four of the pardon letter. And he quotes from the Constitution right off the bat, where it says, “Please accept this as an application under Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution which states that the President ‘shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States.’” (Emphasis added.) But amazingly he has no idea that those very words inform him that he is talking to the wrong guy. The man you want to talk to is Governor Brown.
Personally my respect for Obama would skyrocket if he wrote a very simple response, on Presidential letterhead:
Dear Mr. Di Stefano,
I can’t grant pardons for state crimes even if I wanted to. You are an idiot.
Warm regards,
President Obama
Seriously, if you are currently being represented by Mr. DiStephano, consider finding competent counsel instead.
Hat tip: Volokh.
[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]
if he were free he could scamper about and play in the sunshine
hey did you know alyssa milano is pregnant with a baby?
happyfeet (ab5779) — 2/24/2011 @ 1:45 pmhappy
know it? i am the babydaddy! lol
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 2/24/2011 @ 1:52 pmfelicitations!
happyfeet (ab5779) — 2/24/2011 @ 1:54 pm“Manson has been made out in America”
LOL .. Charlie always did his own PR
Bill Maher (03e5c2) — 2/24/2011 @ 1:56 pmThat’s reaaaaalllly subtle, and reaaaaaalllly sick, feets.
carlitos (01d172) — 2/24/2011 @ 1:56 pmI’ll bet Mr.Holder is bummed. I mean that he didn’t come up with that “The Devil’s Advocate” moniker first.
elissa (641938) — 2/24/2011 @ 2:27 pmActually, Obama can pardon Manson under the Commerce Clause. Just ask Sotomayer, you’ll see.
ras (ceba62) — 2/24/2011 @ 2:40 pmAlas, Aaron, I fear that by giving this guy more publicity, you’re feeding the troll.
Beldar (c23585) — 2/24/2011 @ 3:07 pmEven Eric Holder concurs with Aaron’s interpretation of this provision of the Constitution, by the way. (I know, AG Holder is a dubious source to cite on matters of constitutional law — as is his boss, shamefully and shamelessly — but bear with me just on this one point.)
On one of Holder’s webpages — from which they haven’t yet airbrushed the American flag, I’m glad to see — we find the United States Department of Justice’s Pardon Information and Instructions, which provided (boldface in original; italics mine):
Beldar (c23585) — 2/24/2011 @ 3:19 pmras #7: Indeed, under their view, Obama has already affected interstate commerce — yet again, today as yesterday — by not even considering for a moment the remotest possibility of pardoning Charles Manson.
Beldar (c23585) — 2/24/2011 @ 3:23 pmA.W. – Where did you find the picture of that teabagger?
daleyrocks (ae76ce) — 2/24/2011 @ 3:25 pm“…Manson was nothing more than a cult leader, not a murderer…”
And Hitler never caused the death of 6-million Jews!
Every profession has its quota of nuts;
AD-RtR/OS! (b8ab92) — 2/24/2011 @ 3:25 pmwhy is the legal profession so over-subscribed?
This has now got me musing about quantum mechanics and parallel universes possibly being generated by the changes in phase state of a single electron in a single atom of a single molecule anywhere in the universe. I’m not much of a physicist — I’ve probably stumbled already in trying to refer to their theories, of which I have only a tenuous understanding at best anyway — but doesn’t there have to be some action, even this small, to generate a new universe?
If so:
How could something affect interstate commerce if it can’t even spawn a parallel universe in quantum theory?
Beldar (c23585) — 2/24/2011 @ 3:30 pm(This is not an argument that I think should be relied upon to persuade Justice Kennedy, despite his sensitivity to the sweet mysteries of life.)
Beldar (c23585) — 2/24/2011 @ 3:37 pmOn still further reflection: I still think it’s highly unlikely, but nevertheless, I think there is some very, very small possibility that at least once, Barack Obama has indeed contemplated the question of whether he could pardon Charles Manson. Say it happened during the transition, on December 19, 2008 — a random bit of musing by Obama as someone from Justice was briefing Obama on what part in his daily routine his constitutional pardon duties might play.
That thought process and its bio-chemical and -electric components would have generated billions of parallel universes.
But there are tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands, and possibly millions of schlubs here in the U.S. who’ve never troubled a single molecule of a single neuron in contemplating the purchase of health insurance.
Dems would have us believe that even by not thinking about it, they’ve created even a single parallel alternative universe, when quantum theory says that’s impossible!
They told me if I voted for the Republicans then the White House would make war on science … and they were right!
Beldar (c23585) — 2/24/2011 @ 3:45 pmI cannot believe how you constitutional scholars have missed the clear logical progression here.
See, if Obama tells Holder not to do something he should do, like defend DOMA, then the concept in physics that every action has a reaction comes into play, and Obama can tell Holder to do something he shouldn’t do, like pardon Manson.
But Manson will be immediately arrested for hate crimes because of his tatoo and locked up in a Fed pen without chance of parole, so everyone is quite safe, don’t you see, said Painted Jaguar.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 2/24/2011 @ 3:58 pmObviously, the esteemed Mr Di Stefano sent that letter to President Obama to trick y’all, to keep you focused on that, while he subsequently sent one to Governor Brown, who does have the authority to pardon Mr Manson. While y’all are laughing at Mr Di Stefano’s incompetence, Governor Moonbeam is quietly letting Mr Manson out of the clink.
The Dana who was born in California, but escaped (132cf8) — 2/24/2011 @ 4:11 pmTMZ is run by Harvey Levin, a graduate of the same law school that my wife graduated from … albeit with a lower class standing than she did. And Harvey ought to know that the President can’t pardon state crimes.
Well, I’m not betting that Harvey actually does know it.
SPQR (26be8b) — 2/24/2011 @ 4:16 pmDana #17 – while you can have your Jimmy Choos ready to throw at Guv’nor Moonbeam, unless the wind blows consistently towards freeing Manson, he won’t *actually* do it …
Alasdair (e7cb73) — 2/24/2011 @ 4:23 pmDana (#17 — 2/24/2011 @ 4:11 pm): Let’s think outside the box here. Could it be that Gov. Moonbeam pardoning Manson might actually be the very best thing that could happen to the State of California? Because I keep wondering:
Just how much more outrageous does someone like Jerry Brown have to become before a majority of California voters realizes that he makes even Gray Davis look good by comparison? How could the same state that includes Hollywood fail to come up with something better than this re-run?
Whatever the deepest depths of collective insanity may be, California seems determined to plumb them.
Beldar (d162eb) — 2/24/2011 @ 5:08 pm@9
Since that’s on the DoJ’s website, I think Aaron’s hypothetical letter from the President could be even shorter.
malclave (4f3ec1) — 2/24/2011 @ 5:31 pmBeldar
your comments made my brain hurt.
of course judge kessler is not frightened by the notion that the government could regulate “mental activity.” She has none to regulate.
Aaron Worthing (73a7ea) — 2/24/2011 @ 5:33 pm7. Actually, Obama can pardon Manson under the Commerce Clause. Just ask Sotomayer, you’ll see.
Comment by ras — 2/24/2011 @ 2:40 pm
— Gosh. Is there anything the commerce clause can’t do?
Icy Texan (a57148) — 2/24/2011 @ 6:02 pmNot to completely destroy the lawyers argument, but didn’t Manson personally tie up the La Bianca’s before sending his crew in? And I thought he was at least implicated in several other killings.
Eirik (7e5928) — 2/24/2011 @ 8:46 pmWhy would I request a pardon from the feds if it was a state conviction? It does not make sense! Why is chewbacca running around Endor, if he’s from Kashyyk? It does not make sense!
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2011 @ 9:22 pmIn my alternate reality, Furman went the other way, and Manson was executed by ’78 tops. Look at ‘Wesley
narciso (bf58f6) — 2/24/2011 @ 9:25 pmCook’ aka Mumia abu Jamal, is he ever going to get
the chair?
I thought about not supporting President Feckless today, therefore, I engaged in commerce, and can be regulated, and by regulated, they could mandate me to donate to a labor union.
JD (d4bbf1) — 2/24/2011 @ 9:33 pmIcyTexan the commerce clause can force you to shave your grandmothers hairy underarms.
DohBiden (984d23) — 2/24/2011 @ 9:59 pmhey did you know alyssa milano is pregnant with a baby?
Can she pregnant with something other than a baby?
John P. Squibob (e4f9fa) — 2/24/2011 @ 10:21 pmComment by Beldar — 2/24/2011 @ 3:30 pm
My understanding is not much better than yours, but I think you’re wrong about the quantum theory. (Not the constitutional theory, just the quantum theory).
No action/not thinking would translate at the atomic level into atom or electron not changing phase state. Under that alternate universe theory, at the same time that it remained in the same phase state, an alternate universe would come into being in which it did change phase state.
So even not acting and not thinking would result in an alternate universe in which you acted and/or thought, and could therefore be forced to purchase a health plan from United Health Care.
Now my brain hurts. G’night to y’all.
kishnevi (225b9d) — 2/24/2011 @ 10:22 pm– Gosh. Is there anything the commerce clause can’t do?
Leap tall buildings in a single bound?
kishnevi (225b9d) — 2/24/2011 @ 10:24 pmAs a follow-up:
Would the 14th Amend. extend pardons of state crimes via Incorporation? Not that I want it.
Dammit everyone, I’m a engineer not a lawyer!
John P. Squibob (e4f9fa) — 2/24/2011 @ 10:24 pmpoppin’ bottles in the ice… like the commerce clause
happyfeet (ab5779) — 2/24/2011 @ 10:25 pmGosh is there anything the commerce clause can’t do?
Uh tone down the weight of the first lady’s gluteus maximus.
DohBiden (984d23) — 2/24/2011 @ 10:28 pmThe constitution allows you to appeal any case on grounds that implicate your constitutional rights. You can appeal any state conviction to a federal court for an illegal search, for example, or to demonstrate grounds for detention (habeus corpus).
However, that’s judicial. Pardons are executive. Obama is not in charge of the execution of state laws. It’s not his job to make sure Cali did that correctly, or exercising special discretion over a state’s case that went bad (that’s what a pardon is for).
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2011 @ 10:29 pmOh, and since only Chuck Norris can do the things that Chuck Norris does, the Commerce Clause can not do the things that Chuck Norris does.
And we can hope that it was not resurrected on the third day, ascended into Heaven and is sitting on the right hand of the Father, whence it will return to judge the quick and the dead.
But otherwise, if you take the 20th century case law seriously, there is not much the commerce clause can’t do.
kishnevi (225b9d) — 2/24/2011 @ 10:33 pmMore seriously:
There’s also the fact that so far, Obama has pardoned comparatively few people, and some of those people had, IIRC, political overtones.
And now, definitely, I need to get to bed.
kishnevi (225b9d) — 2/24/2011 @ 10:35 pmIt’s no surprise that President ‘Take no personal political risks if you can vote present’ would hesitate to issue pardons.
Sadly, that’s just a new reality, politically. Not really a left v right thing.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2011 @ 10:39 pmIs there anything the commerce clause can’t do?
Constitutional scholars are trying to figure out a way for the Commerce Clause… or anything in the Constitution… to allow the people to keep and bear arms. It doesn’t look good, though.
If only it was written explicitly somewhere, like the Right To Abort Babies.
malclave (8e9666) — 2/24/2011 @ 10:48 pmkishnevi
Since the Commerce Clause never died, it could not have resurrected on any day, but I’ll pass on speculation about the rest.
Oh, and since only Chuck Norris can do the things that Chuck Norris does, the Commerce Clause can not do the things that Chuck Norris does.
That makes things pretty simple. The first act of our next President will be to appoint Norris as Czar of Commerce, and he will define what can and cannot be considered as commerce to be subject to it.
When the movie of Scott Walker is made, Norris will star in it, and it will be called, “Walker, Wisconsin Governor”.
FWIW, my daughter’s sensei knows Norris personally and says he is one of the few people he has known that you can count on 100% to follow through on what he says.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 2/25/2011 @ 6:45 amJohn P. Squibob asked:
It’s not a baby, it’s a fetus, you misogynist pig!
Amanda Marcotte (on Sockpuppet Friday) (3e4784) — 2/25/2011 @ 7:32 amamanda
hold your horses. we’ll have a sock puppet thread up soon. lol
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 2/25/2011 @ 8:54 amHEY DIDN’T THE PRESIDENT AT ONE TIME PARDON THE BIRD MAN OF ALCATRAZ? , PLUS DI STEFANO’S NOT ASKING FOR A PARDON. HE’S ASKING FOR A COMMUTATION OF SENTENCE…. ISN’T THERE A DIFFERENCE? GIOVANNI DI STEFANO IS A BRILLIANT MAN & I’M SURE HE KNOWS WHAT HE’S DOING…WELL I KNOW ONE THING HE’S NOT DOING & THAT’S WASTING HIS TIME WRITING STUPID NONSENSICAL BLOGS LIKE THIS ONE! I GUESS THATS WHY HE’S GOT HOMES ALL OVER THE WORLD & YOU’RE ALL CRAMPED UP IN THAT LITTLE TINY STUDIO APARTMENT YOU’RE RENTING IN THE VILLAGE…. WITH ALL SERIOUSNESS, BOTTOM LINE HERE IS MANSON’S 6TH & 14TH CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS HAVE BEEN VIOLATED AND “REGARDLESS OF HOW SOMEONE LOOKS” OR ACTS, THEY HAVE RIGHTS!!
aliken4atwa (93803c) — 2/25/2011 @ 10:09 am:Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
14th ammendment
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States!! well the state of california diD just that!
There are precisely 57 phase states. True fact.
ras (ceba62) — 2/25/2011 @ 10:23 amAlik
> hey didn’t the president at one time pardon the bird man of Alcatraz
First, please stop with the allcaps. I am going to change this to all lower case just because it is less annoying.
As for the bird man, he was convicted of a federal crime. Alcatraz was a federal prison. And I never heard of a pardon for him.
> he’s asking for a commutation of sentence…. isn’t there a difference?
Its a breed of a pardon.
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 2/25/2011 @ 10:36 amWow, that’s a lot of crazy.
SPQR (26be8b) — 2/25/2011 @ 10:38 amYOU LIVE IN A LITTLE APARTMENT SO THERE!!!!
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/25/2011 @ 10:42 amdustin
i decided to skip the personal attacks.
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 2/25/2011 @ 10:46 amIt’s amazing to me that someone is defending Manson (other than his lawyer), but I guess there are a lot of pathetic or sick people out there.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/25/2011 @ 10:52 amI am 72, when i was a kid a common cliche was “you don’t have to make a federal case out of it”.Over the past 50 years more and more of federal encroachments have made thousands of things that should have remained with the states or the people are double covered so people might be prosecutedby by either,and in some cases both for essentially the same action.
dunce (b89258) — 2/25/2011 @ 11:44 amaliken4atwa (#43 — 2/25/2011 @ 10:09 am): Please tell us how a “brilliant man” who’s filing an application for a federal pardon doesn’t bother to read, understand, or follow Rule #2 of the United States Department of Justice’s Pardon Information and Instructions?
(Please use small words in your explanation, because I only have one home and I therefore must be pretty dense.)
Beldar (d162eb) — 2/25/2011 @ 12:52 pmras & kish: I am forced to conclude that the Commerce Clause is more powerful than quantum mechanics. There is nothing the Commerce Clause cannot do, and if that warrior-monk in “The Men Who Stare At Goats” had just relied on the Commerce Clause, rather than quantum physics, when he tried to run through the wall (@0:42), it probably would’ve worked.
Beldar (d162eb) — 2/25/2011 @ 12:58 pmIt’s stronger, than the infinite improbability generator for sure, Beldar
narciso (bf58f6) — 2/25/2011 @ 1:04 pmBeldar-
Chuck Norris can kick down a wall. The warrior-monk should have asked for help.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 2/25/2011 @ 1:06 pmI note in passing that aliken4atwa is something of a regular Manson apologist. For instance, I did not previously know that —
I’m not sure which President slandered prosecutor Bugliosi, but I’m grateful for aliken4atwa’s advice regarding how best to send fan mail to Manson.
Beldar (d162eb) — 2/25/2011 @ 1:10 pmbeldar
oh, crap, does that mean he is in fairfax, VA? i might actually meet this guy.
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 2/25/2011 @ 1:16 pmWow, s/he called Manson “Charlie” like they are close pals.
I guess Charles has a special gift for appealing to crazy people. I wonder what screaming aliken would do if Manson ordered him to kill someone. Apparently that isn’t crossing the line, given Manson’s history and Aliken’s continued loyalty.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/25/2011 @ 1:36 pmI write in caps to get your attention but if it upsets you then…”SUE ME!” EVERYONE CAN KEEP UP WITH THE JABS & LOW BLOWS BUT IT DOESN’T CHANGE THE FACTS OF THIS CASE. PUTTING ALL JOKES ASIDE, BY READING ALL OF THE IDIODIC COMMENTS JUST PROVES MY POINT, “SO MANY PEOPLE ARE BRAINWASHED!” SO FILLED WITH HATE & FEAR INSTILLED BY THE MEDIA & BUGILIOSI THAT NO ONE SEEMS TO CARE TO QUESTION, “WHAT IF?” EVERYONE CONTINUES TO OVERLOOK THE FACTS & IT’S SAD THAT PUBLIC PERCEPTION REFLECTS OFF WHAT’S BEEN WRITTEN IN A BOOK(HELTER SKELTER) BUT ASK YOURSELF, “WHAT IF IT’S WRONG,” THEN WHAT DO YOU HAVE? AN INNOCENT MAN WHO’S LIVED A LIFE OF TORTURE AND HELL. A MAN WHO’S BEEN DEMONIZED, BEATEN, DRUGGED, BURNT, STABBED, FROZEN, STARVED & HUMILIATED IN WAYS MOST COULD NEVER IMAGINE AND ALL FOR WHAT? BECAUSE SOME ITALIAN PROSECUTOR SAID YOU WERE A HIPPIE CULT LEADER WHO WANTED TO START A RACE WAR SO YOU TOLD YOUR FOLLOWERS TO GO KILL? “IT’S A STORY PEOPLE!” IT’S THE PROSECUTIONS THEORY NOT FACT! FACTS WERE SILENCED WHEN THE BUG CONVINCED THE COURT MANSON HAD THE POWER TO BRAINWASH SO HE SHOULDN’T BE ALLOWED TO ADDRESS THE JURY!” (I’LL GET TO THIS IN A MINUTE) LET ME ASK, WOULD YOU BE BITTER? WOULD YOU ACT OUT? WELL I KNOW I WOULD! IT’S ALL A MASK PEOPLE. THE FACTS OF THIS CASE ARE BURIED BENEITH PAGES OF LIES AND IF NOT FOR JUSTICE & THE LIFE OF AN INNOCENT MAN, WE MUST SEEK THE TRUTH. OUR OWN TRUTH NOT BUGLIOSI’S TRUTH BECAUSE HIS TRUTH WAS MOTIVATED BY GREED, FAME, FORTUNE & POLITICAL ASPIRATIONS & IF THIS ISN’T THE CASE THEN WHY DID BUGLIOSI PLANT A GHOST WRITER IN THE COUTROOM FROM DAY ONE OF THE TRIAL? WHY WAS THERE A FULL STAFF WORKING TOWARDS THIS BOOK DEAL BEFORE MANSON EVEN STEPPED FOOT IN THE COURTROOM? BECAUSE BUGLIOSI KNEW HIS ANGLE & KNEW IT WOULD SELL TO THE MASSES & KNEW IT WOULD BRING HIM FAME & FORTUNE THAT WOULD CATIPULT HIS CAREER INTO THE STRATUSPHERE ..BUT ONLY ON ONE CONDITION.. HE HAD TO WIN A CONVICTION AT ANY COST OR HIS “BOOK” AND EVERYTHING THAT CAME ALONG WITH IT WOULD HAVE GONE SOUTH THUS RUINING “EVERYTHING!” WE CAN NOT ALLOW A PROSECUTOR TO PROFIT OFF THE DEATH OF THOSE HE’S REPRESENTED. IT GIVES WAY FOR “CONVICTION AT ANY COST” & THAT’S NOT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. IT SHOULD BE CONVICTION BEYOND ANY RESONABLE DOUBT BUT HOW CAN THERE BE DOUBT WHEN THERE’S NO DEFENSE ALLOWED? HOW CAN A MAN DEFEND HIMSELF WHEN HE’S NOT ALLOWED TO ADDRESS THE JURY BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE PROSECUTION, “HE HAS THE POWER TO BRAINWASH SO ANYTHING HE MAY SAY COULD INFLUENCE THE JURY?!!” WELL ISN’T THAT THE POINT OF ADDRESSING THE JURY? ISN’T THIS THE PURPOSE OF A DEFENSE?? TO CONVINCE THE COURT OF YOUR INNOCENCE??! IT WAS A WITCH HUNT! A MODERN DAY BURNING AT THE STAKE BUT EVERYONES TOO BLINDED BY BUGLIOSI’S SMOKE SHOW TO SEE OR EVEN CARE TO KNOW THE TRUTH! THE FACTS ARE SUCH; MANSON WASN’T AT THE SCENE OF EITHER CRIME, ARRESTED & CHARGED BASED ON THE WORDS OF THE ACTUAL KILLERS, WHOM BY THE WAY RECEIVED “FULL IMMUNITY, $30K, A NEW IDENTITY, RELOCATION & FULL CUSTODY OF HER CHILD BACK FOR HER TESTIMONY!” ALL GREAT REASONS TO LIE! THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WENT BEFORE THE WORLD & DECLARED MANSON GUILTY BEFORE GIVEN A FAIR TRIAL & BEING A LAWYER HIMSELF, NIXON KNEW BETTER! WHICH PROVES MY POINT, HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING!!” IT WAS HIS WAY OF KILLING THE HIPPIE MOVEMENT AND IT WORKED BUT AT THE COST OF AN INNOCENT MANS LIFE. IT’S NOT RIGHT TO TAKE AWAY THE RIGHTS OF SOMEONE JUST BECAUSE HE LOOKS DIFFERENT, ACTS DIFFERENT OR HAS IDIOLOGIES THAT DONT LIVE UP TO ONES STANDARDS. BOTTOM LINE HERE IS MANSON WASN’T GIVEN A FAIR TRIAL, WASN’T ALLOWED TO CALL ONE SINGLE WITNESS, CROSS EXAMINE ANY WITNESSES OR EVEN ALLOWED TO ADDRESS THE JURY SO HOW CAN ANYONE SAY THERE’S NO REASONABLE DOUBT?!! YOU LAWYERS OUT THERE MUST KNOW THIS IS “WRONG!!” THIS IS AMERICA FOR GOD SAKES! THE LAND OF EQUAL RIGHTS? WE CAN NOT ALLOW THINGS LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN…..WE ALL HAVE RIGHTS & THE GOVERNMENT SHOULDN’T BE ALLOWED TO DECIDE WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO EXORCISE THOSE RIGHTS…..WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES IN A COURT OF LAW AND THOSE RIGHTS WERE TAKEN AWAY FROM “CHARLES MILLES MANSON”…PERIOD!!
Aliken4Atwa (93803c) — 2/26/2011 @ 11:40 amComment by Dustin — 2/25/2011 @ 1:36 pm
Manson was always referred to as “Charlie”, by both admirers, and detractors.
And what is with this wall of caps?
AD-RtR/OS! (5fd0fb) — 2/26/2011 @ 11:49 amIs someone off their meds?
ayieee my eyes.
no more all upper case posts. I removed that one. feel free to appeal that to the owner of this site, patterico.
The way to get noticed around here is to talk normally and make logical arguments.
Aaron Worthing (73a7ea) — 2/26/2011 @ 11:59 amI’m pondering whether to start a debate with this guy over at my blog. After all, it could “CATIPULT [my] CAREER INTO THE STRATUSPHERE”!
Beldar (d162eb) — 2/26/2011 @ 6:00 pmOh, never mind, I’m going about my business now, exorcising my civil rights.
Beldar (d162eb) — 2/26/2011 @ 6:00 pm‘These goggles do nothin’, now Bugliosi has turned into a barking at the moon, lefty, re his last book,
narciso (bf58f6) — 2/26/2011 @ 6:06 pmwhich tried to indict Bush for mass murder in Iraq,
but back in the day, he was sharp as hell.
My mistake.
Regardless, wow what a kook. You can scream all day, aliken, but I spent my day a free man and Manson will die in prison.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/26/2011 @ 6:29 pmI restored the ALL CAPS COMMENT because I FOUND IT AMUSING.
Patterico (c218bd) — 2/26/2011 @ 6:55 pmManson’s punishment should be everlasting life…
AD-RtR/OS! (f760ca) — 2/26/2011 @ 6:57 pmin prison!
Dorian Gray would approve.
narciso,
I have at times in the past virtually idolized Bugliosi, which now embarrasses me. I could not bring myself to read his pile of trash accusing George W. Bush of murder; it was the first book of his I didn’t read, and I feared it would cheapen all the rest if I did.
I try to chalk that episode up to the theory that politics makes everyone insane — even people you otherwise admire.
Patterico (c218bd) — 2/26/2011 @ 6:58 pmWell back in the day, from what I’ve read, he was at the top of his game, with the Manson trial, as well as that other one that happened on a Island.
narciso (bf58f6) — 2/26/2011 @ 7:04 pmLately, he became unbalanced with Gore v. Bush, but seemed to recover with that encyclopedic annihilation of every JFK assasination conspiracy theory, which would make Tolstoy say stop, you’re
overdoing it,
Aliken4Atwa makes nishi look sane.
daleyrocks (ae76ce) — 2/26/2011 @ 7:26 pm