Patterico's Pontifications

1/17/2011

Loughner So Far Right, He Hated Bush!

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 10:47 am

Told you Bush wasn’t really that conservative!

After all, I guess he was too much of a squish for Loughner, who was (we were told again and again) far right — despite being a 9/11 Truther, or as we now learn, someone who got angry at the mere sight of G.W. Bush.

Interesting how the New York Times buries this information in the story, after running a full story last week claiming Loughner’s ideology was far right. Interesting … but not surprising.

140 Responses to “Loughner So Far Right, He Hated Bush!”

  1. Yes, interesting.

    PatAZ (537b43)

  2. That just means he’s a True Conservative ™ just like Andrew Sullivan.

    bskb (3a53fe)

  3. “Told you Bush wasn’t really that conservative!”

    I don’t know about conservative, but he sure isn’t very right wing.

    That’s why I didn’t vote for him in 2000 (bad mistake, obviously, since that moron Gore almost won…if I had to do it over again, I’d vote for Bush…my bad). He’s too liberal.

    Tell you what though, he’s a damn sight better than Al Gore or John Kerry would have been, and he’s a zillion times better than Obambi.

    Always, it’s about the lesser of evils.

    Dave Surls (c49378)

  4. Many Conservatives hated Bush too.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  5. Many of the Truth Movement are Conservative, Patterico, sir.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  6. Yes, like Rosie O’Donnell.

    Jeff (763943)

  7. Re: The New York Times and the liberal elite generally (and I’m quoting):

    It’s not intelligence, exactly, that’s the issue. I think it’s the lack of a moral compass or sense of guilt which allows them to use any and all means, including outright falsehoods, against their percieved enemies, and allows them to hypocritically do the same things their percieved enemies did (or vice versa, to accuse their opponents of wrongdoing for things which they themselves did). It’s a sheer instrumentality in which there is nothing but tactics.

    They don’t even have an internalized sense of shame anymore, though they can still, at times, be shamed into some restraint if the right leverage is applied.

    Fritz (ac48cc)

  8. Van Jones hated Bush and was a truther. Yup conservative to the core, just like Ventura.

    Greenshield (2bd9c3)

  9. And Cynthia McKinney.

    Jeff (763943)

  10. Since when did the NYT and the Liberal Elite start running down lefty politicians?

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  11. Also, it’s anyone’s guess who is Conservative and who is Liberal in the Truth Movement because it is not an issue. Sound science is the factor. Not political leanings. Example, this guy?
    ————————————————–

    Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

    * Statement to this website 3/23/07: “As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

    Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there’s no way all four of them could!

    Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled “terrorists”.

    Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a “Conspiracy Theory” does not change the truth. It seems, “Something is rotten in the State.”

    * Editor’s note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Latas, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Colonel Bunel, and Steve DeChiaro.

    * Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

    “The government conspiracy theory does not hold up to scrutiny. As a professional with over 30 years experience working with gas turbines (jet engines) and fuels – kerosene (jet fuel) does not burn in any open flame hot enough to effect steel – well under 1000 deg F. Also bogus are the explanations regarding why no planes were intercepted. SOP [Standard Operating Procedure] is they are always, always intercepted if they stray off course and/or turn off the transponder like these flights all did. No command decision needed. Has our government ever been untruthful to us?” http://www.ae911truth.org

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  12. Then we have groups, Conservative groups formed that were against Bush, like this organization for example…

    http://www.nypress.com/article-9913-the-conservative-case-against-george-w-bush.html

    Not your head bobbing Conservatives, these are the ones that respect our country, our country’s people, and our laws, unlike Bush, who felt laws are for chumps.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  13. Sound science is the factor

    Common sense, however, can go get f**ked.

    Look, moron – it is physically impossible to plan a demo and bring it down vertically – as happened – without weeks of prep work. large cable trucks have to be removed, and charges placed all over.

    Let me put it to you like this – until you can find me some folks we recall conversations for a week prior that went along the lines of “Hey, did you guys see that huge canvas tarp where the water cooler used to be? Anyone know what that’s about?” I would thank you to stfu.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  14. Ah, the blogroach returns to attempt to thread hijack.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  15. And can we moderate that damned whack-a-doodle? The truther BS is only going to end up bringing more of them.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  16. Idiocy of the bbers, is quite clear,

    narciso (6075d0)

  17. Good Allah, blu. Are you incapable of being embarrassed?

    JD (822109)

  18. Blu

    > Sound science is the factor

    like with the global warming crowd, you are immune to science.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  19. Blubonnet is still afraid to post a hypothesis about “what really happened” on 9/11. She can’t even cut and paste one because her sources don’t have one either. Shocka.

    carlitos (a3d259)

  20. How about banning these Truther traitors when they try and pull a threadjack?

    They’re a royal pain in the ass.

    Even if their babble is on topic, who cares what these cockroaches think about anything, anyway?

    They ain’t worth having around, and they waste precious bandwidth. Let them slime over to The Daily Kos or some other lefty sewer where they can hobnob with like-minded vermin.

    Just my two cents.

    Dave Surls (c49378)

  21. The engines were found. Trolls seem to keep coming back.

    Mike K (8f3f19)

  22. I don’t come here for Truther bullshit.

    Pious Agnostic (291f9a)

  23. Dave Surls,

    Thankfully, most of the lefty sites don’t want 9/11 truthers around either. You know it’s bad when the democratic underground has banned them.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/blogs/kelly-thomas/10/06/26/banned-undemocratin-underground

    carlitos (a3d259)

  24. @#10, Scott,

    Click through the link “and I’m quoting“.

    Fritz (ac48cc)

  25. Hey, blubonnet, you want to tell everyone why burning jet fuel can’t melt steel because it doesn’t melt the engine of the jet?

    That one had me laughing for hours, and I could use a good laugh today.

    Some chump (4c6c0c)

  26. “Dave Surls, Thankfully, most of the lefty sites don’t want 9/11 truthers around either.”

    O.k. I take that part back. Sorry to needlessly slag off any lefties that won’t tolerate Truther scum.

    The Truthers can burn in hell for all I care, as long as they burn someplace where I ain’t.

    Dave Surls (c49378)

  27. I don’t mean to pull up Blubonnet’s thread hijack short, but can we skip the implied accusation and guilt-by-association and so-called “expert” claims, and just smashcut to the end? Anyone? Here, I’ll do it myself:

    Generic 9/11 Truther last gasp v_sound: “Hey, I’m just asking questions, here!”

    And that’s the way these 9/11 Truther bushwacks always end…

    TimesDisliker (ef4043)

  28. Yet another victory for the “We’re trying so results don’t matter” Republicans in Congress. I don’t know what the answer is, but these so-called fiscal conservatives voted into office in the last election need to crawl out of their holes and start kicking some ass. Much of this government austerity stuff is not even that difficult yet these clowns do NOTHING but emit an endless stream of excuses.

    Okay, let’s blow another week reading the Constitution to each other. Good freaking grief.

    Wesson (dc314c)

  29. You should really see that “Loose Change” film – those two young guys really know all the real sh-t that went on during 9/11. Even better, watch the “dialogue” between two Popular Science writers who took the two infantile children apart during an interview. Funniest thing evah.

    Dmac (498ece)

  30. I like that Crazy Killer didn’t just hate Bush, he got outraged at the SIGHT of Bush. Crazy Killer has something in common with my boss. Though to be fair, in the Bay Area this describes fully half the populace.

    East Bay Jay (2fd7f7)

  31. “Though to be fair, in the Bay Area this describes fully half the populace”

    More than half, if the people I know are any guide.

    Of course, I mainly associate with a social group (my fellow hippies) who think that Lenin was an o.k. guy but believe he was too damned moderate, so my personal observations might be a bit skewed.

    Dave Surls (c49378)

  32. Eric Fuller hated George W Bush too, and Loughner had previous contact with Giffords’ office. Was there an ongoing connection? Let’s ask Sheriff Dupnki.

    ropelight (99dcf5)

  33. DMac, if you liked the Popular Mechanics one, check this out. This is the main Loose Change guy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhKiAUkw7SY

    carlitos (a3d259)

  34. Eric Fuller hated George W Bush too, and Loughner had previous contact with Giffords’ office. Was there an ongoing connection? Let’s ask Sheriff Dupnki.

    Thankfully, I think Fuller was arrested by city police.

    At least, I hope he was. They would be less likely to sympathize with the man.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  35. How old was when Loughner hated Bush? 12, 13, 14

    Too young to vote.

    Too young to buy a pistol and ammunition in Arizona.

    So, New York Times, what is the relevance of the information that Loughner hated Bush when he was in junior high school?

    slp (adbb56)

  36. Yeah, you tell this wild-eyed “leftie” all about it.
    ————————————————–

    Col. David Hunt, MA, U.S. Army (ret) – Expert in Special Operations, Counter Terrorism and Intelligence Operations. Most recently, served as Tactical Advisor in Bosnia where he facilitated all national intelligence matters for the Commander in Chief. Coordinated a $350,000,000 national security program for the National Security Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency in 1997. 29-year Army career. Currently author and media commentator on terrorism and military operations. Author of On the Hunt: How to Wake Up Washington and Win the War on Terror (2007), They Just Don’t Get It: How Washington Is Still Compromising Your Safety–and What You Can Do About It (2006).
    •Interview Fox News 2/15/06:
    Interviewer: We had Congressman Weldon on a couple days ago. Able Danger is not going away.

    Col. Hunt: No and it shouldn’t. This is about very, very good guys; six to ten; both military and civilian; Lieutenant Colonels and Navy Captains; O-6′s; who did data mining and discovered some very interesting information. Oh, by the way, the program should be running now. It was completely successful.

    They went to the government and the government didn’t want to talk to them. And they went to the 9/11 Commission and they didn’t want to talk to them. Now they’re testifying again. And there’s some amazing stuff coming out of this. And with the war on terror, we need the Able Danger’s and we don’t need the government going after its own agents, which is what they did here.

    Interviewer: But it seems there’s some debate on Capital Hill regarding Able Danger about whether or not U.S. officials knew about Mohammed Atta before September 11th or if they didn’t.

    Col. Hunt: What’s being talked about in the Congressional Record — It’s part of the Congressional Record. Open. Open. — is that the White House was — Libby was briefed and Hadley were briefed in 2001. A lot of people knew about Atta. These guys have it on the record. http://www.mediavsn.com
    [Editor's note: Scooter Libby was Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney 2001 - 2005. In 2007 he was convicted of four felony counts related to perjury and obstruction of justice. Stephen Hadley was appointed National Security Advisor on 1/26/05. He served as Deputy National Security Advisor 2001 - 2004.]

    Blubonnet (b83efc)

  37. That proves it, wingnutz. Not only did Bush LIHOP but he MIHOP. Jst because bluebonnet has the brain power of a mold spore, your ad hom distractions do nothing to dispute his detailed and peer reviewed theory of what exactly happened that fateful day.

    JD (d4bbf1)

  38. JD – These “experts” cited by Blubonnet who did not investigate the crash and disaster sites absolutely guarantee that the people who did inspect the sites got it wrong. Blubonnet’s experts do not need to visit the sites to reach those conclusions. They just know things.

    daleyrocks (e7bc4f)

  39. Here is another “loon”….

    Commander James Clow, MS, U.S. Coast Guard (ret) – Retired U.S. Coast Guard officer with extensive crisis management/emergency response training and drill experience. Hands-on domestic and overseas emergency response operations. Former military assignments included; Chief, USCG National Response Center, USCG Headquarters, Washington, D.C. Project Manager, USCG Marine Safety Information System. Chief, Environmental Protection Branch, USCG, Portsmouth, VA. Former civilian roles included; Manager, Texaco Worldwide Response Team, Beacon, NY. Regional Response Manager, Equiva Services Crisis Management, Houston, TX. Regional Response Manager, Shell Oil Products, Houston, TX. Former Chair, American Petroleum Spills Task Force, Washington, D.C. and Chair, American Petroleum Spills Advisory Group, Washington, D.C. Graduate U.S. Coast Guard Academy.
    •Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
    “No matter how one views the videos of the Towers and Building 7 collapsing, the laws of physics MUST hold true. If F=ma appears to have been violated (e.g., free-fall collapse of the buildings at nearly 9.8 m/sec/sec), then something is seriously amiss and one must start looking for the “other hand” hidden beneath the table to discover what is really happening. Your video does a good job of pointing out the fallacies and ineptitude advanced by the government investigators.” http://www.ae911truth.org

    •Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 1,400 Architects and Engineers:

    “On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7.” http://www.ae911truth.org/joinus.php

    Blubonnet (b83efc)

  40. slp is right. There’s NO POSSIBLE WAY that Loughner still hated Bush . . . or his policies . . . including his ‘failure’ to stem the tide of illegal immigration — Loughner’s pet issue.

    Sim-ple.

    Icy Texan (8ea924)

  41. Does blubonnet spread easily?

    Icy Texan (8ea924)

  42. Here’s another “whacko”…

    Alan N. Sabrosky, PhD – Former Director of Studies, Strategic Studies Institute and holder of the General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of Research, U.S. Army War College. A Marine Corps Vietnam veteran with 10 years of service. Graduate of the U.S. Army War College. Teaching and research appointments have included the United States Military Academy, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), Middlebury College and Catholic University. While in government service, he held concurrent adjunct professorships at Georgetown University and the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS). Writer and consultant specializing in national and international security affairs, lecturing widely on defense and foreign affairs in the United States and abroad. His published work includes thirteen books or monographs and over one hundred forty articles, chapters and book reviews. Author, co-author, or editor of Prisoners of War: Nation States in the Modern Era (1990), The Recourse to War: An Appraisal of the “Weinberger Doctrine” (1988), Alliances in U.S. Foreign Policy (1988), The Strategic Dimension of Military Manpower (1987), Polarity and War: The Changing Structure of International Conflict (1985), Great Power Games: The Sino American Power Transition (1982).
    •Essay “Treason, Betrayal and Deceit: 9/11 and Beyond” 9/10/09:

    “The official 9/11 Commission’s work and report were at best an incomplete exercise. Many people dismiss the findings of the Commission, and that includes its co-chairs [ Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton ]. Many others who utterly distrust the 9/11 Commission report, dismiss the US Government’s explanation of it, and point to both an official cover-up and an “inside job,” include veteran fighter pilots, EMTs (Emergency Medical Technicians), air defense experts, experienced commercial pilots, demolition experts, architects and civil engineers – none of them professions that inherently attract and retain the gullible and credulous.

    Several things are very clear to me from a careful assessment of both official and critical evaluations of the 9/11 attacks. First, the striking aircraft alone simply could not have brought down either of the two buildings in the manner in which they fell, much less a third building which was not hit by a plane (I expect the one intended to do that as a “cover” had ended up in that Pennsylvania field), given the available physical evidence and a wealth of expert testimony. This means the attackers had assistance on the ground, and it had to have been active before the attacks occurred: preparing buildings for controlled demolition is not something done haphazardly in the midst of chaos.

    Second, only two intelligence agencies had the expertise, assets, access and political protection to execute 9/11 in the air and on the ground: our CIA and Israel’s Mossad. Only one had the incentive, using the “who benefits” principle: Mossad. And that incentive dovetailed perfectly with the neo-con’s agenda and explicitly expressed need for a catalytic event to mobilize the American public for their wars, using American military power to destroy Israel’s enemies. Only the unexpected strength of the Iraqi resistance kept Syria and Iran from being attacked in the second Bush Administration. Thus, the evidential trail for 9/11 and the wars in Afghanistan & Iraq run from PNAC, AIPAC and their cohorts; through the mostly Jewish neo-cons in the Bush Administration; and back to the Israeli government. None of the denials and political machinations can alter that essential reality. Terms such as treason, betrayal and deceit do not overstate the case against them.

    Finally, we need to take a hard look at why the mainstream media (MSM) have paid more attention to Sarah Palin’s wardrobe than they have to dissecting blatant falsehoods, discrepancies and inconsistencies in the US Government’s treatment of 9/11 and its aftermath. And the reason is that on this issue, all are on the same side, and the official line is the one they all prefer – “all” meaning the PNAC alumni who took over the Bush Administration’s national security apparatus and their counterparts in the Obama administration, AIPAC and the rest of the numerous Jewish PACs, the MSM owners and Israel.” http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23460.htm

    Blubonnet (b83efc)

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    Blubonnet (b83efc)

  44. The Truth Movement is huge now, keeps on growing? Why,not everyone lets the government deny what they saw with their own eyes. Quite clearly anyone with any objectivity can see what happened, explosives are more than evident.

    But the Truth Movement, how big is it? This is short…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlPweD6R3Cc

    Blubonnet (b83efc)

  45. __________________________________________

    After all, I guess he was too much of a squish for Loughner

    Tongue-in-cheek aside, the acquaintances (or friends?) of Loughner who 3 or 4 years ago described him as of the left, combined with the latest revelation of his visceral dislike of George Bush, indicates that his psychosis was interspersed with liberal sentiment.

    Should anyone be surprised by that? Hell, no! Left-leaning sentiment apparently is rooted in a corrupt, rotten dynamic. It’s born BAD.

    Reason.com:

    The people who give the least are the young, especially young liberals. [Arthur C.] Brooks [a public policy professor at Syracuse University] writes that “young liberals — perhaps the most vocally dissatisfied political constituency in America today — are one of the least generous demographic groups out there.

    In 2002, they were 12 percent less likely to give money to charities, and one-third less likely to give blood.” Liberals, he says, give less than conservatives because of religion, attitudes about government, structure of families, and earned income.

    He writes that young liberals are less likely do nice things for their nearest and dearest, too. Compared with young conservatives, “a lower percentage said they would prefer to suffer than let a loved one suffer, that they are not happy unless the loved one is happy, or that they would sacrifice their own wishes for those they love.”

    Mark (411533)

  46. http;//gatewaypundit.right network/2011/01/ go- figure-leftist-figure-eric-fuller-has-long-history-of-violent-behavior

    narciso (6075d0)

  47. Sweet Jesus.

    Will someone please ban this Truthtard, so I can finally say:

    Free at last, free at last, Thank God Almighty we are free of Truther lies at last!

    Dave Surls (302550)

  48. Someone tell this fruitcake that the X files were
    not a documentary.

    narciso (6075d0)

  49. Following some of blubonnet’s earlier advice, I did some web searches.

    “truthers are liars” – About 4,290,000 results
    “truthers are idiots” – About 50,400,000 results
    “truthers are crazy” – About 105,000 results

    Really. Google it up.

    malclave (4f3ec1)

  50. ZOMFG. !!!! Twoofer wall o’text!!!!!!!!!!

    JD (d56362)

  51. It is amazing what an abject liar Blubonnet is.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  52. Blubonnet remains afraid to post her hypothesis about what happened on 9/11/2001.

    Sad.

    carlitos (a3d259)

  53. Saints above, carlitos, don’t encourage her.

    Dave Surls (302550)

  54. How many cats do you think Blubonnet owns?

    daleyrocks (e7bc4f)

  55. Hey, Carlitos. Just watch the film footage of the day from many different networks, and then tell us why the government agency NIST said there was no reason to test for explosives. After all, you all around here are so smart. Just explain it please. This is pretty much just TV from the day. Go ahead and tell us why NIST concluded no need to test for them.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWgSaBT9hNU

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  56. You are f@cking insane, blu. Certifiably. And, objectively.

    JD (d4bbf1)

  57. Well then, jd, you should have no problems telling us how the firefighters of the day were lying. Why don’t you listen to their words from above link, and tell us about how you can see for yourself how the firefighters were lying. Go ahead. I’ll be waiting.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  58. Since Blu’s evidence won’t play on my device, I have to conclude his cite is correct and the conspirators are blocking the truth.

    Or I could go to bed and not argue with someone who may be a bit closer to recent events that I care to think.

    Ag80 (e03e7a)

  59. Many mental health professionals are joining us too. Here is one of them…
    —————————————————-

    Herbert J. Hoffman, MA, PhD – Former Chief Mental Health Coordinator and Director of Manpower Development and Training, Massachusetts Department of Mental Health. Retired Clinical Psychologist. In his 40-year career, Dr. Hoffman held several academic and senior professional positions, including; Lecturer (Psychology), Boston University. Lecturer on Education, Harvard Graduate School of Education. Assistant Professor of Research, Heller Graduate School for Advanced Studies in Social Welfare, Brandeis University. Founder and Faculty Member, Massachusetts School of Professional Psychology. Executive Director, Brookline (MA) Mental Health Association. Veteran, U.S. Army.

    * Statement in support of Medical Professionals petition for Reinvestigation of 9/11:

    “I have been following the 9/11 “story” for over 7 years. The most significant impediment for citizens even considering that the U.S. government is in some way complicit is the unwillingness to entertain that possibility. The fact that the government and the 9/11 Commission Report could not/would not address certain questions raised by the Jersey Girls, scientists, pilots etc., questions which would seem to have easily available factual responses, strongly suggests “cover up.”

    I refer to such items as: release of the Pentagon and other videos of the Pentagon crash; explanation of the debris scatter at the PA “crash” site; explanation of how these obviously “hijacked” airliners were not intercepted in a timely fashion — especially the one in DC; a more evidence-based, scientific explanation of the fall of the twin towers and Building 7.

    The failure to produce this information/evidence, along with much more, can only lead to one conclusion: THERE IS A COVER UP. There is much data to strongly suggest who and what are being protected and shielded by this cover up. Hopefully a sufficient number of citizens will shed their denial and demand answers and explanations from our nations leaders.” http://mp911truth.org/#HHoffman

    * Member: Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth Association Statement:

    “As medical professionals, we are trained in science and logical reasoning. We are appalled by the lack of scientific rigor and the substantial omissions and blatant distortions in the official account of 9/11 as embodied in the 9/11 Commission Report and related government documents. We join with other organizations of professionals, such as Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, and Lawyers for 9/11 Truth, and millions of individual citizens in demanding a thorough, impartial, open and transparent reinvestigation of the terrorist acts of 9/11.”

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  60. Ditto, Ag, she maybe like Peter Weller’s character in that Burroughs film, with the living typewriter

    narciso (6075d0)

  61. Well, waking up as a bug may be a far sight better than bowing to a Commie.

    Check out drudge right now if you want your stomach to turn.

    Ag80 (e03e7a)

  62. I had a great aunt like Blubonnet. The family kept her in the attic.

    daleyrocks (e7bc4f)

  63. Carol S. Wolman, MD – Board Certified in Psychiatry and Neurology. Fellow in the American Psychiatric Association.

    * Statement in support of Medical Professionals petition for Reinvestigation of 9/11:

    “As a psychiatrist, I see the denial that 9/11 was a false flag operation as a national psychosis. I invite people to read: Breaking the Spell with 9/11 Truth. The evidence that 9/11 was an inside job is mounting. The country is hypnotized into passivity with lies and fears. 9/11 truth can break the spell.”

    * Charter Member: Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth Association Statement:

    “As medical professionals, we are trained in science and logical reasoning. We are appalled by the lack of scientific rigor and the substantial omissions and blatant distortions in the official account of 9/11 as embodied in the 9/11 Commission Report and related government documents. We join with other organizations of professionals, such as Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, and Lawyers for 9/11 Truth, and millions of individual citizens in demanding a thorough, impartial, open and transparent reinvestigation of the terrorist acts of 9/11.”

    * Essay Breaking the Spell with 9-11 Truth 9/7/08:

    “Here we are, 7 long years later, and they’re still getting away with it. There has been no real investigation of 9-11, and 9-11 truth advocates are still labeled “fringe”, “paranoid”, “conspiracy theorists”. The country has bought the lie. We are under a spell. …

    I attended a 9-11 truth rally yesterday. Richard Gage, an architect who is organizing Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth http://www.ae911truth.org (460 members, so far [Editor: 560 as of January 2009]), spoke about the obvious lies in the official coverup report. ‘The three towers could only have been brought down so quickly by thousands of thermite or thermate “cutters” strategically planted ahead of time in all three building.’ …

    These are just a few examples of the outrageous inconsistencies in the official 9-11 story. Yet most of the country continues to buy it.” http://www.opednews.com

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  64. YOu guys are funny though.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  65. Psychiatrists on our side…

    —————————————————-

    Debra L. Bunger, MD, BCFE – Board Certified Psychiatrist, State of California.

    * Member: Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth Association Statement:

    “As medical professionals, we are trained in science and logical reasoning. We are appalled by the lack of scientific rigor and the substantial omissions and blatant distortions in the official account of 9/11 as embodied in the 9/11 Commission Report and related government documents. We join with other organizations of professionals, such as Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, and Lawyers for 9/11 Truth, and millions of individual citizens in demanding a thorough, impartial, open and transparent reinvestigation of the terrorist acts of 9/11.”

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  66. Why don’t you listen to firefighters, if not me…

    http://firefightersfor911truth.org/

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  67. The ones that know more than anything else about building structure and the number of them signing on is approaching 1,500 now. Here is one of them…

    William Rice, BS CE, MS CE, PE – Licensed Professional Engineer, State of Vermont. Worked on structural steel and concrete buildings in Boston, New York, and Philadelphia for two of the nation’s largest building construction companies; the Austin Company and the George A. Fuller Construction Company. Former Professor at Vermont Technical College where he taught engineering materials, structures lab, and other building related courses for over 20 years.

    * Essay Vermont Guardian 3/1/07: “Having worked on structural steel buildings as a civil engineer in the era when the Twin Towers were designed and constructed, I found some disturbing discrepancies and omissions concerning their collapse on 9/11. …

    The interesting fact is that each of these 110-story Twin Towers fell upon itself in about ten seconds at nearly free-fall speed. This violates Newton’s Law of Conservation of Momentum that would require that as the stationary inertia of each floor is overcome by being hit, the mass (weight) increases and the free-fall speed decreases.

    Even if Newton’s Law is ignored, the prevailing theory would have us believe that each of the Twin Towers inexplicably collapsed upon itself crushing all 287 massive columns on each floor while maintaining a free-fall speed as if the 100,000, or more, tons of supporting structural-steel framework underneath didn’t exist.

    Controlled demolition is so politically unthinkable that the media not only demeans the messenger but also ridicules and “debunks” the message rather than provide investigative reporting. Curiously, it took 441 days for the president’s 9/11 Commission to start an “investigation” into a tragedy where more than 2,500 WTC lives were taken. The Commission’s investigation also didn’t include the possibility of controlled-demolition, nor did it include an investigation into the “unusual and unprecedented” manner in which WTC Building #7 collapsed. http://www.vermontguardian.com

    * Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

    “About a year ago I became aware of the unprecedented collapse of WTC Building 7 and the Twin Towers at free-fall speed. Professor Steven Jones’ video lecture was a stunning revelation and a wake-up call. My experience and further research confirmed the uncomfortable facts as presented by Professor Jones.

    I also found it disturbing that most politicians seem to have little interest in exploring any theory other than the official jetliners / fires-caused-the-collapses theory. I was told the following in a response letter from one of our representatives in Washington: “Regarding conspiracy theories surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, a number of theories questioning the events that occurred on and before September 11, 2001 have circulated. They are patently false. Several videos have been posted on the internet on this subject, and they too are false.”… “The 9/11 Commission, a bipartisan group of nationally respected individuals, evaluated all relevant testimony and documents related to the events and provided a detailed account of what actually happened on that fateful morning.” However, this “nationally respected” 9/11 Commission failed to include some very important facts and testimonies in their report even though they had to have been aware of them. For example, the 9/11 Commission Report completely omitted the unprecedented collapse of Building 7.

    Many of the facts and theories that engineers have learned in such courses as structures, physics, chemistry, metallurgy, etc., have held true for longer than the hundred-year history of structural-steel-framed high-rise buildings and they held true on 9/11/01. Only controlled demolition could have provided the types of building collapses displayed three times on that fateful day.” http://www.ae911truth.org

    * Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 1,400 Architects and Engineers:

    “On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7.” http://www.ae911truth.org/joinus.php

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  68. THis reminds me of that old SNL sketch, where Lyndon Larouche, protesting that others see him
    as insane; ‘weapons grade stupidity, immune to parody.

    narciso (6075d0)

  69. #54 daleyrocks. Quite a few. And on birthdays, they all wear hats and get a cake. Don’t you think?

    Simon Jester (6165ed)

  70. Many mental health professionals are joining us too.

    Well of course they are.

    You go where the customers are.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  71. Wish I had a tactical nuclear device and a map showing the location of Truther Central.

    Dave Surls (302550)

  72. The American Behavioral Scientist is a prestigious publication of those in the field of mental health. Guess whose side they are on, regarding the more objective, on the subject of 9-11-01 ? Yeah, us on the side of the Truth Movement. Dare look?

    http://coto2.wordpress.com/2010/03/05/entire-february-2010-issue-of-the-american-behavioral-scientist-devoted-to-state-crimes-against-democracy-the-case-of-september-11-2001/

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  73. Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
    ~Aldous Huxley

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  74. Isaac Asimov, in a similar situation, quoted the great philosophical team of Abbott and Costello.

    Abbott: “You’re crazy!”
    Costello: “Yeah? They said Galileo was crazy! They said Einstein was crazy! They said Luigi was crazy!”
    Abbott: “Luigi? Who’s Luigi?”
    Costello: “My uncle. He is crazy.”

    Simon Jester (6165ed)

  75. Make that a five megaton warhead and a map.

    Dave Surls (302550)

  76. Hey, you guys could be the resident comedians. Thanks for your chuckles.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  77. The Table of Contents for the special issue of the “American Behavioral Scientist” described is here:

    http://abs.sagepub.com/content/53/6.toc

    Based on the abstracts, I’m not sure how much Trutherism is in the journal. Still, the journal seems interested in “fringe” beliefs.

    But I do notice the following issue of the same journal, admittedly from long ago:

    http://abs.sagepub.com/content/7/1.toc

    Interesting, right?

    And the founder of the journal has some unusual interests:

    http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/quantavolution-challenges-to-conventional-science/13227328

    So…

    Simon Jester (6165ed)

  78. It’s important to distinguish evidence from opinion” – St. Mary’s Professor John Albert Dragstedt

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  79. No, Simon JESTER, it is a long established professional journal. The only “fringe beliefs” are (in jest) in your mind. You have not succeeded in discrediting it. You have exposed your agenda though.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  80. Also: You’re entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  81. So has blubonnet ever posted the address to his/her own blog where a concise argument, with links to suppporting evidence, is made, or is the strategy still to spam other sites so people just assume that he/she is just another crazy truther?

    malclave (1ed9b5)

  82. That is why the Truth Movement exists. If you had the temerity to look, you will see quite clearly why we reject the term theorist. We recognize there was some kind of conspiring, but that which can be documented is only what we hang our hat on. Dare to look. Post #55 is video footage. Check it out, Brother Bradley J Fikes, sir.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  83. 82.That is why the Truth Movement exists

    To spam other websites? Then congratulations, you’re doing your job! You’re still just a crazy Truther, though.

    malclave (1ed9b5)

  84. Mac, Opinions are of no relevance. Only that which is verifiable, and having credentials in the field of topic is also relevant.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  85. I have no website of my own. I have sources if you have a question though.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  86. Wow… creepy.

    Very Loughner-like, have you posted your videos yet?

    And, please post your credentials in the field of topic to demonstrate that you’re qualified to judfge on what is relevant.

    Otherwise, you’re just another crazy Truther spammer… but that’s what the whole movement is about.

    malclave (1ed9b5)

  87. I have left numerous sources for you to scrutinize. I will answer any questions with sources. No, I am merely an objective woman, and there are over 108 million in this country that are onto the facts. You all ought to catch up.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  88. I have sources if you have a question though.

    Yeah, I have a question.

    Why don’t you set up a blog for all this garbage instead of spamming other people’s?

    Oh wait, you already answered that… spam is what the movement is all about.

    malclave (1ed9b5)

  89. Yeah, call ME (?) crazy, but this psychiatrist has something to say to you!!!

    Carol S. Wolman, MD – Board Certified in Psychiatry and Neurology. Fellow in the American Psychiatric Association.

    * Statement in support of Medical Professionals petition for Reinvestigation of 9/11:

    “As a psychiatrist, I see the denial that 9/11 was a false flag operation as a national psychosis. I invite people to read: Breaking the Spell with 9/11 Truth. The evidence that 9/11 was an inside job is mounting. The country is hypnotized into passivity with lies and fears. 9/11 truth can break the spell.”

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  90. 87.I have left numerous sources for you to scrutinize

    You have left numerous spam links for us to ignore while we laugh at you, you mean. You ought to catch up with reality.

    malclave (1ed9b5)

  91. Gee, why do I want the American people to see this? Because it matters. Alot.

    Why do I spend my time trying when so many are so resistant? Because it matters, alot!!!

    Why are organizations spreading all around the world about this very topic?

    Does it matter to you, that maybe the massive growth and evidence and thousands (and growing number) of relevant professionals have something important to say?

    Why are they risking their careers to speak up against big power? Because it matters and they care more about their country than you do. They looked honestly, can you?

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  92. Hey, did you know YOU could get paid to continuously attempt to discredit me from our government now? Oh you probably already know that. Too bad (FOR YOU) that the material the government has to challenge the Truth Movement is negligible, at best. Pretty challenging to disprove laws of physics. Trying will require, what you already know, the technique of attempted derision. Just makes you sound like a junior high school kid, one step above shooting spit wads. Well, you are laughable. Too bad one can’t laugh at the tragedy and the facts you choose to ignore.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  93. Gee, why do I want the American people to see this?
    Because you’re a spammer.

    Why do I spend my time trying when so many are so resistant?
    Because you’re a spammer

    Why are organizations spreading all around the world about this very topic?
    Because facts are irrelevant when you can attack the U.S.

    Does it matter to you, that maybe the massive growth and evidence and thousands (and growing number) of relevant professionals have something important to say?
    They’re “relevant” because a spammer says they are? You have still offered NO credentials demonstrating why you get to determine what is relevant… therefore anything you write is irrelevant by your own argument.

    Why are they risking their careers to speak up against big power?
    They’re off their meds?

    They looked honestly, can you?
    I have, years ago. I was inconvinced by their arguments or their logic. And the movement’s spam indicates that they’re not serious about their point.

    I know you don’t care… you’re just a spammer. Don’t pretend you give a damn about “truth”, I suspect you’re just feeling needy. Nothing in your behavior here suggests anything else.

    Before I head out for the night, I do have one piece of advice for you… get a cat or something, maybe that would help.

    malclave (1ed9b5)

  94. 92.Hey, did you know YOU could get paid to continuously attempt to discredit me from our government now?

    I can? Sweet, I could use the extra cash, and it’s something we enjoy anyway.

    Got a link? It would be the only thing you’ve posted that is the least bit interesting.

    malclave (1ed9b5)

  95. I see that Wolman is also a believer in catastrophic global warming:

    America today is divided into a number of camps. There are the “Christian Coalition” believers, who accept the evil empire as the reign of god, and eagerly await judgment day, when they expect to be beamed up to the Enterprise. There are the science- based agnostics, who clearly see that we are in a planetary crisis, but reject the Bible and its prophecies. Then there are the mainstream Christians, who like my audience, are in denial about the approaching catastrophes from global warming and the spread of radioactive particles, among other things.

    Strange that the truthers are so unwilling to believe the government account of Sept. 11, but believe a much weaker idea like catastrophic man-caused global warming.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  96. Another comedian, who has no capacity for objectivity. Are you a coward? No need to answer.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  97. Oddly, Brother Bradley, since the Truth Movement is both Left and Right leaning, the discussion of Global Warming is a topic that is annoying in our camp. We only go with that which is verifiable.

    True, that the questions of Global Warming are still controversial, and frankly I have not made a decision there. I choose not to. Whatever happens there, I have no power in it.

    However, waking people up to what has happened within our government, an infestation of criminals is quite easy to point out, if the common minds would stop covering their eyes like children.

    Our country has a problem that is hard to even fathom, despite the massive amount of verifiable evidence now. Despite the many professionals’ and their journals weighing in. As stated by the psychiatrists, the majority of the public are still in denial. The fact are in, and many are still hiding under the covers. Time to wake up. The coffee is bitter, I’m sorry.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  98. blubonnet needs to have more psychiatrists on her side.

    Bedside, that is.

    Icy Texan (441ab5)

  99. Maybe global warming has lowered the melting point of steel.

    Icy Texan (441ab5)

  100. Blubonnet said,
    “…there are over 108 million in this country that are onto the facts.”

    In 2008 there were about 131 million votes cast for president. You have enough people to win every election and BE the government. Don’t you people vote? Don’t you care?

    I voted. Why should I or anyone else listen to you if you don’t take yourselves seriously enough to vote against these evil people?

    Machinist (74634b)

  101. There is obviously mental collision many are dealing with. We all need to participate in the the problem we are facing. Yeah, it’s ridiculously hard to believe. So what. Look anyway.

    Has any history majors around here looked into the way democracies go into demise? Well, it’s farther along than you know. Start looking with your own eyes, and when hundreds of people who endured a catastrophic crisis, and say explosives were there, and the videos look exactly like explosives were there, and analysts of every relevant field say it was explosives, and a peer reviewed piece in a physics journal, scrutinized under the most intensity, concludes nano-thermite (Pentagon produced) material is within all and every sample of pulverized material throughout lower Manhattan, when pilots say that the maneuvers could only have been done at the Pentagon by highly skilled pilots (but then only after trying it multiple times on a flight simulator). Seriously, if you do have regard for this country, please get over yourselves, find some honor within yourself and just start looking further into both sides of the argument. Don’t settle for words from either side. See if the video footage of the day coincides with the government or the many many many other professionals from all around the world now recognizing this, which is more than obvious if you just looked. You are going to be part of the country’s ongoing descent, as laws start becoming more draconian, where as it stands now, well, you really should take a look at what the Patriot Act. Someone, and I can’t recall who, by titling their book “How Would a Patriot Act?”

    Too scared to look? I always thought the Lefties, although more often right about things (cuz.I.M.1) but when it came to having some temerity, I thought the Right had it.

    I hope cowardice isn’t that all pervasive, but I’m starting to have to acknowledge that my many comrades in the country are voluntarily deaf, dumb and blind. Well, I am still hoping that the dwindling frightened ones will join the growing awareness, that sadly I hate to report, the inflating of certain powers through access permitted by those profiting off of them, have given us all warned of by many of our forefathers.

    “James Madison said, “If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.”

    Abraham Lincoln said: “This country will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”

    Many more of our forefathers warned of the growth of power, and especially of the weapons industry, which has it’s infestations all throughout our institutions that you all continue to pledge allegiance to. Stop pledging to politicians(whose pledges are to the weapons industry and others)and pledge to the country, that you won’t be one of the head bobbers. You can see and think for yourself. Can you? Are you scared to stand up for that which is obvious?

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  102. Another comedian, who has no capacity for objectivity. Are you a coward? No need to answer.

    There’s no need to answer you, blu. You’ve already shown that you are not interested in good-faith debate. I consider your posts here empty words.

    Some chump (e84e27)

  103. blu – One of your links asks, “Why were the jet engines of the aircraft that crashed into the Penagon not found?” In fact the engines were found.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  104. Speaking of crackers…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN7drJNKhl0

    Well, not everything is better, I suppose.

    Simon Jester (6165ed)

  105. Capt. Edgar Mitchell, U.S. Navy (ret), BS Industrial Management, BS Aeronautical Engineering, Doctor of Science, Aeronautics and Astronautics from MIT – Pilot and Astronaut. Sixth man to walk on the moon (Apollo 14 mission). Patrol bomber and attack plane pilot, U.S. Navy. Test Pilot, Air Test and Evaluation Squadron 5 (VX-5). Chief of Project Management Division, Navy Field Office for the Manned Orbiting Laboratory Project. Graduated first in his class from the Aerospace Research Pilot School, and served as an instructor there. Recipient of many awards and honors including the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the USN Distinguished Medal and three NASA Group Achievement Awards. Inducted to the Space Hall of Fame in 1979 and the Astronaut Hall of Fame in 1998. Recipient of honorary doctorates in engineering from New Mexico State University, the University of Akron, Carnegie Mellon University, and a ScD from Embry-Riddle University. Founder of the Institute of Noetic Sciences.

    * Endorser of and proposed Commissioner of a New Investigation into 9/11 as described in the New York City Ballot Initiative 11/08: “Petition to Create a NYC Independent Commission with Subpoena Power to Conduct a Comprehensive and Fact-Driven Investigation of All Relevant Aspects of the Tragic Events of September 11, 2001 and Issue a Report.

    WHEREAS, many New York City voters believe that there remain many unanswered questions critical to establishing the truth about all relevant events leading up to, during and subsequent to the tragic attacks occurring on September 11, 2001 (“9/11”), and

    WHEREAS, no prior investigation by any New York City agency or any other governmental entity has resulted in the citizens being provided with those critical answers or information necessary to establish the truth about those tragic events, …

    An independent, temporary New York City commission (the “Commission”) is hereby created to conduct a comprehensive, factdriven investigation into the events that took place on 9/11, as well as to thoroughly examine related events before and after the attacks, including any activities attempting to hide, cover up, impede or obstruct any investigation into these 9/11 events, following wherever the facts may lead. The Commission shall publish one or more reports of their findings.”

    * Website: http://www.edmitchellapollo14.com

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  106. Commander Ralph Kolstad, U.S. Navy (ret) – Retired fighter pilot. Former Air Combat Instructor, U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School (Topgun). 20-year Navy career. Aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom, Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, and Grumman F-14 Tomcat. Retired commercial airline captain with 27 years experience. Aircraft flown: Boeing 727, 757 and 767, McDonnell Douglas MD-80, and Fokker F-100. 23,000+ total hours flown.

    * Statement to this website 8/20/07: “I started questioning the Sept 11, 2001 “story” only days after the event. It just didn’t make any sense to me. How could a steel and concrete building collapse after being hit by a Boeing 767? Didn’t the engineers design it to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing 707, approximately the same size and weight of the 767? The evidence just didn’t add up. …

    At the Pentagon, the pilot of the Boeing 757 did quite a feat of flying. I have 6,000 hours of flight time in Boeing 757’s and 767’s and could not have flown it the way the flight path was described.

    I was also a Navy fighter pilot and Air Combat Instructor, U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School and have experience flying low altitude, high speed aircraft. I could not have done what these beginners did. Something stinks to high heaven!

    Where is the damage to the wall of the Pentagon from the wings? Where are the big pieces that always break away in an accident? Where is all the luggage? Where are the miles and miles of wire, cable, and lines that are part and parcel of any large aircraft? Where are the steel engine parts? Where is the steel landing gear? Where is the tail section that would have broken into large pieces?

    I also personally knew American Airlines Captain “Chick” Burlingame, who was the captain of Flight 77 which allegedly hit the Pentagon, and I know he would not have given up his airplane to crazies!

    And at the Shanksville Pennsylvania impact site, where is any of the wreckage?!!! Of all the pictures I have seen, there is only a hole! Where is any piece of a crashed airplane? Why was the area cordoned off, and no inspection allowed by the normal accident personnel? Where is any evidence at all?

    When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official “story”. …

    Every question leads to another question that has not been answered by anyone in authority. This is just the beginning as to why I don’t believe the official “story” and why I want the truth to be told.” Link to full statement

    * Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: “Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day since the United States Government doesn’t seem to be very forthcoming with answers.”

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  107. Capt. Gregory M. Zeigler, PhD, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer

    * Statement to this website 9/19/06: “I knew from September 18, 2001, that the official story about 9/11 was false. … [A]nomalies poured in rapidly: the hijackers’ names appearing in none of the published flight passenger lists, BBC reports of stolen identities of the alleged hijackers or the alleged hijackers being found alive, the obvious demolitions of WTC 1 and 2 [each 1300+ feet tall, 110 stories], and WTC 7, the lack of identifiable Boeing 757 wreckage at the Pentagon … Link to full statement [Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.]

    * Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement: “Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks.”

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  108. Robert David Steele (Vivas) – U.S. Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer for twenty years. Also served in the CIA as a clandestine case officer. Second-ranking civilian (GS-14) in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence from 1988 – 1992 and a member of the Adjunct Faculty of Marine Corps University. 25-year U.S. military and intelligence career. Currently Founder and CEO of OSS.net and a proponent of Open Source Intelligence.

    Author of On Intelligence: Spies and Secrecy in an Open World (2000, Foreword by Senator David Boren (D-OK)), The New Craft of Intelligence: Personal, Public, & Political (2002, Foreword by Senator Pat Roberts (R-KS)), Information Operations: All Information, All Languages, All the Time (2005, Foreword by Congressman Rob Simmons (R-CT-02)), The Smart Nation Act: Public Intelligence in the Public Interest (2006). Co-author of NATO Open Source Intelligence Handbook (2001). Co-editor of NATO Open Source Intelligence Reader (2002). Contributing editor of Peacekeeping Intelligence: Emerging Concepts for the Future (2003, Foreword by Dame Pauline Neville-Jones, UK).

    * Essay 10/7/06: Review of Webster Tarpley’s 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in the USA. “I am forced to conclude that 9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war, and I am forced to conclude that there is sufficient evidence to indict (not necessarily convict) Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and others of a neo-conservative neo-Nazi coup d’etat and kick-off of the clash of civilizations. …

    This is, without question, the most important modern reference on state-sponsored terrorism, and also the reference that most pointedly suggests that select rogue elements within the US Government, most likely led by Dick Cheney with the assistance of George Tenet, Buzzy Kronguard, and others close to the Wall Street gangs, are the most guilty of state-sponsored terrorism….

    I sit here, a 54-year old, liberally educated, two graduate degrees, war college, a life overseas, 150 IQ or so, the number #1 Amazon reviewer for non-fiction, a former Marine Corps infantry officer, a former CIA clandestine case officer, founder of the Marine Corps Intelligence Center, and I have to tell anyone who cares to read this: I believe it. I believe it enough to want a full investigation that passes the smell test of the 9/11 families as well as objective outside observers.” http://www.amazon.com

    * Article 10/27/06: “While Steele stopped short of saying 9/11 was a complete inside job, he agreed that the evidence points to the overwhelming complicity of the Bush administration.

    “The U.S. government did not properly investigate this and there are more rocks to be turned over,” said Steele adding, “I’m absolutely certain that WTC 7 was brought down by controlled demolition and that as far as I’m concerned means that this case has not been properly investigated. There’s no way that building could have come down without controlled demolition.” http://www.prisonplanet

    * Editor’s note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission’s “full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.” Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  109. Oh would you just f**k off and die already?

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  110. On his way to the moon, Buzz Aldrin saw a UFO, ya know.

    Icy Texan (ec15e0)

  111. I thought it was ‘blubonnet spread‘, not ‘blubonnet spew‘.

    Icy Texan (ec15e0)

  112. FYI, he’s cutting and pasting the entire contents of other websites. Just google and see.

    That’s obviously a copyright violation. Also completely off topic, such as the lie that no one has explained why the WTC 7 fell after a building crashed into it.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  113. Well I know of one thing, I’ve lost any remaining respect, I had for Robert Steele, and Kolstad has gone into the refuse pile with David Ferrie

    narciso (6075d0)

  114. Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, U.S. Army (ret) (1926 – 2009) – Former Director, Ground Weapons Systems, Office of International Logistics Negotiations serving as chief Pentagon arms negotiator for the Middle East. Former Civilian Deputy Chief of the International Division, Office of the Chief of Research and Development. Also served as Commander of Special Troops for the U.S. Army Reserves. Served as radio operator in World War II. Became commissioned officer in 1950. Infantry troop leader and paratrooper, as well as a combat troop commander and intelligence officer with the 27th Infantry “Wolfhound” Regiment in Korea 1950 – 1953. Sustained major injuries in Korea 1953. FAA certified private pilot. Author of Confessions of an Arms Peddler (1979), Barbarians Inside the Gates Book 1 (2000), The Viper’s Venom: Barbarians Inside the Gates (Book III) (2002), Look Homeward Cowboy: A Saga of World War II (2002), The Rattler’s Revenge: Barbarians Inside the Gates (Book III) (2003), The Boys from Bent Willow: A Saga of World War II (2003).

    * Article September 11 – U.S. Government Accused by the Portugal News 3/8/02:

    “A group of military and civilian US pilots, under the chairmanship of Colonel Donn de Grand [sic], after deliberating non-stop for 72 hours, has concluded that the flight crews of the four passenger airliners, involved in the September 11th tragedy, had no control over their aircraft.

    In a detailed press communiqué the inquiry stated: “The so-called terrorist attack was in fact a superbly executed military operation carried out against the USA, requiring the utmost professional military skill in command, communications and control. It was flawless in timing, in the choice of selected aircraft to be used as guided missiles and in the coordinated delivery of those missiles to their pre-selected targets.”

    The report seriously questions whether or not the suspect hijackers, supposedly trained on Cessna light aircraft, could have located a target dead-on 200 miles from take off point. It further throws into doubt their ability to master the intricacies of the instrument flight rules (IFR) in the 45 minutes from take off to the point of impact. Colonel de Grand said that it would be impossible for novices to have taken control of the four aircraft and orchestrated such a terrible act requiring military precision of the highest order.” http://www.amfirstbooks.com

    * Member: Veterans For 9/11 Truth Association statement:

    “Our mission, simply put, is to save the United States of America and to defend it from all enemies, foreign and domestic. To that end, we seek to restore true values, integrity, honesty, and leadership in government at the local, state and national level. We are opposed to tyranny and corruption. We seek to move this Nation from a state of perpetual warfare to a state of prolonged peace and prosperity.

    In pursuit of our mission we have initially chosen to present evidence exposing the deception and lies that many in the military/intelligence/industrial/media establishment have been telling Americans and the world since September 11, 2001 concerning the events of that tragic day. Our mission includes seeking, discovering, and presenting evidence revealing the truth about the events of 9/11.” http://www.v911t.org

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  115. Rev. William Sloane Coffin, Jr. (1924 – 2006) – Captain, U.S. Army Intelligence, World War II. CIA Case Officer, 1950 – 1953. He grew increasingly disillusioned with the role of the CIA and the United States due to events including the CIA’s involvement in overthrowing Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh of Iran in 1953, followed by the CIA’s orchestration of the coup that removed President Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala in 1954. He was terribly dismayed when he learned in 1964 of the history of French and U.S. involvement in South Vietnam and how it differed from what the U.S. government public position was, especially regarding broken promises to hold a referendum in the south about unification with North Vietnam. He was in early opposition to the Vietnam War and became famous for his anti-war activities and his civil rights activism.

    Ordained Presbyterian minister. Chaplain of Yale University, 1958 – 1975. Senior Minister, Riverside Church, New York City, 1978 – 1987. President emeritus of SANE/FREEZE: Campaign for Global Security. Stephen Edward Scarff Memorial Visiting Professor of Religious Studies, Lawrence University 1995 – 1997.

    Author of The Collected Sermons of William Sloane Coffin, Jr. Vol 1 & 2 (2008), A Passion for the Possible (2007), Letters to a Young Doubter (2005), Credo (2003), The Heart Is a Little to the Left: Essays on Public Morality (1999), Living the Truth in a World of Illusions (1985), The Courage to Love (1982), Once to Every Man: A Memoir autobiography (1977), Civil Disobedience: Aid or Hindrance to Justice (1972 with Morris Leibman).

    * Article William Sloane Coffin Can Rest in Peace by Kevin Barrett:

    “William Sloane Coffin spoke out for 9/11 truth before he died. …

    William Sloane Coffin will surely rest in peace. During his remarkable lifetime, Coffin took on the greatest evils of his society—racism and imperialist war—and waged an all-out spiritual battle against them. He rode with the Freedom Riders protesting segregation, led a campaign of civil disobedience against the Vietnam War, headed the SANE-Freeze campaign against nuclear weapons, and—in what may one day be viewed as the capstone to his career—spoke out for 9/11 truth shortly before his death.

    Here is William Sloane Coffin’s final statement:

    ‘Professor David Ray Griffin is a retired theologian with a well deserved reputation for the thoroughness of his research. Shocked by 9/11 and its subsequent related events, he not only pored over various American articles, but beyond that, investigated English, French, German and other European and Asian interpretations of the same event. The result consists of exceedingly provocative questions with implied answers quite at variance with Washington official accounts! All Americans who love their country enough to dig into the facts of these critical times will be well rewarded by examining Professor Griffin’s books, The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11 and The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions.

    9/11 Truth is a very important issue with the power to bring lasting change to our country.’

    – William Sloane Coffin”

    http://www.mujca.com/williamsloanecoffin.htm

    * Bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Sloane_Coffin

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  116. One wonders if blue bunny actually reads any of these cut-and-paste whack-job screeds.

    Icy Texan (ec15e0)

  117. He think we are impressed by Coffin, who was a blithering idiot, long before he took up 9/11
    denial.

    narciso (6075d0)

  118. Blubonnet still suffers from the delusion that because she has supposed “experts” on her side expressing doubts about what happened, there is no obligation for people to take them seriously. They were not on site or part of the investigation. Monday morning quarterbacking is a time honored sport and people are free to say what they want in this country, but saying it does not confer credibility.

    NARRATIVE FAIL

    daleyrocks (e7bc4f)

  119. More spamming from the blogroach.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  120. Is spamming an unrelated thread with rambling, paranoid nonsense something Jared Loughner would do?

    Just curious about the mindset of someone who does something meant to provoke and anger, rather than persuade. To blu, the internet is serious business.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  121. Michael Scheuer, PhD – Former Chief of the CIA’s bin Laden unit (aka Alec Station), the Osama bin Laden tracking unit at the Counterterrorism Center 1996 – 1999. Special Adviser to the Chief of the bin Laden unit, September 2001 to November 2004. 22-year CIA career. Currently author, political analyst and media commentator. Adjunct Professor of Security Studies, Georgetown University. Former Senior Fellow at the Jamestown Foundation, writing regularly for its online publication Global Terrorism Analysis. Author of Through Our Enemies’ Eyes: Osama bin Laden, Radical Islam, and the Future of America (2002, originally published anonymously), Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror (2004, originally published anonymously), Marching Toward Hell: America and Islam After Iraq (2008)

    * Interviewed by Judge Andrew Napolitano on Fox News 10/9/10:

    Michael Scheuer: What the Colonel (Anthony Shaffer, former Chief of the Army’s Controlled HUMINT (Human Intelligence) Program) is absolutely correct on is that the 9/11 Commission and the Commissioners themselves were just there to whitewash it. They were blessed with the most brilliant staff you could imagine. But as Commissioners they were clearly there to not let the American people know what happened before 9/11.

    Judge Napolitano: Was the 9/11 Commission report a whitewash as Colonel Shaffer says and as one of the 9/11 Commissioners to whom he spoke, and you heard him talk about this person, pretty much agrees?

    Michael Scheuer: It was a whitewash and a lie from top to bottom, Judge

    Judge Napolitano: What do you mean “a lie from top to bottom”, Michael?

    Michael Scheuer: Well in my own case, sir, the Agency officers who were involved before 9/11 in chasing bin Laden decided that we could not simply testify under oath without providing supporting documentation. And so all of us, both testified under oath. I did, I think three times and provided documents. I provided myself, let me speak just for myself here, Judge, I provided a three inch binder with over 400 pages of documentation — not my notes, but official government documents about the failures before 9/11. I never heard one word back from Zelikow. And I approached Zelikow. He asked me for the notebook. I told him it was available. He asked me for it and he never got in touch to talk about one page of material.

    Judge Napolitano: You obviously know what was in the loose leaf and I know you read the 9/11 Commission report. Did anything from the loose leaf make its way into the final report?

    Michael Scheuer: … Not the important stuff. The important stuff did not. …
    At 11:25 of the video at http://www.youtube.com

    * Bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Scheuer

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  122. Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force career. Member adjunct faculty, Political Science Department, James Madison University. Instructor, University of Maryland University College and American Public University System. Author of African Crisis Response Initiative: Past Present and Future (2000) and Expeditionary Air Operations in Africa: Challenges and Solutions (2001).

    * Contributor to 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out 8/23/06: Account of Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, Pentagon employee and eyewitness to the events at the Pentagon on 9/11. “I believe the Commission failed to deeply examine the topic at hand, failed to apply scientific rigor to its assessment of events leading up to and including 9/11, failed to produce a believable and unbiased summary of what happened, failed to fully examine why it happened, and even failed to include a set of unanswered questions for future research. …

    It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics. …

    There was a dearth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked [Pentagon] lawn, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage to the Pentagon structure one would expect from the impact of a large airliner. This visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the secretary of defense [Donald Rumsfeld], who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slammed into the Pentagon as a “missile”. …

    I saw nothing of significance at the point of impact – no airplane metal or cargo debris was blowing on the lawn in front of the damaged building as smoke billowed from within the Pentagon. … all of us staring at the Pentagon that morning were indeed looking for such debris, but what we expected to see was not evident.

    The same is true with regard to the kind of damage we expected. … But I did not see this kind of damage. Rather, the facade had a rather small hole, no larger than 20 feet in diameter. Although this facade later collapsed, it remained standing for 30 or 40 minutes, with the roof line remaining relatively straight.

    The scene, in short, was not what I would have expected from a strike by a large jetliner. It was, however, exactly what one would expect if a missile had struck the Pentagon. …

    More information is certainly needed regarding the events of 9/11 and the events leading up to that terrible day.”

    * Editor’s note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Latas, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, Capt. Davis, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Colonel Bunel, and Steve DeChiaro.

    * Member: Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven Association Statement: “We have found solid scientific grounds on which to question the interpretation put upon the events of September 11, 2001 by the Office of the President of the United States of America and subsequently propagated by the major media of western nations.”

    * Bio: http://militaryweek.com/

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  123. Commander Dennis Henry, U.S. Navy Reserve (ret), BS CE, PE – Retired from U.S. Navy Reserve, Civil Engineering Corps after 20 years of service. Retired Licensed Professional Engineer, State of Missouri. 34 years of service as a City Engineer, designing bridges, roadways, storm, sanitary sewers, and traffic signals.

    * Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
    “Being a civil engineer and understanding the laws of physics, I know that a building cannot fall at free fall speed without the floors already falling also giving no resistance. I wish our Congressmen were as smart, and also showed some backbone and got a truly independent investigation going. Also, this 911 truth movement has shown to me that our press is as every bit controlled and spits out as much propaganda as I thought Pravda did for the old Soviet Union. My eyes have been awakened to many things, and I have come to learn that we do not live in as free a country as I thought we did, and with the passage of the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, it has become even less so.” http://www.ae911truth.org

    * Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 1,400 Architects and Engineers:

    “On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7.” http://www.ae911truth.org/joinus.php

    * Editor’s note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission’s “full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.” Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  124. We need someone like Stashiu3 to delete the nonsense. That guy was a badass, but I don’t blame him for finding something else to do.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  125. Scott C. Grainger, BS CE, PE – Licensed Professional Civil Engineer and/or Fire Protection Engineer in the States of Arizona, California, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, Utah, Virginia, Washington, and Wyoming. Owner of Grainger Consulting, Inc., a fire protection engineering firm (23 years). Former Chairman, Arizona State Fire Code Committee. Former President of the Arizona Chapter of the Society of Fire Protection Engineers. Current Member of the Forensic Sciences Committee and the Fire Standards Committee of ASTM International (formerly American Society for Testing and Materials ). Senior Member, National Academy of Forensic Engineers.

    * Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

    “Approximately 50% of my work is forensic. I am licensed in 9 States. In addition to my forensic work, a good portion of my work is in the design of structural fireproofing systems.

    All three [WTC] collapses were very uniform in nature. Natural collapses due to unplanned events are not uniform.” http://www.ae911truth.org

    * Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 1,400 Architects and Engineers:

    “On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7.” http://www.ae911truth.org/joinus.php

    * Editor’s note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission’s “full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.” Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.

    * Website: http://www.graingerconsulting.com

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  126. Sgt. Chadwick Brooks and Sgt. William Lagasse – U.S. Pentagon Police Department (Pentagon Force Protection Agency) officers, who were on duty at or near the CITGO gas station on 9/11 and eyewitnesses to the approach of Flight 77 and its alleged impact at the Pentagon.

    * Interviewed by Craig Ranke in the PentaCon video documentary, filmed on 11/7/06:

    Craig Ranke: Now how sure are you that the plane was to the north, coming from the north side of the Navy Annex–you’re saying it was pretty much between the Navy Annex and Arlington cemetery. How certain are you of that?

    Sgt. Lagasse: 100 percent, I’d bet my life on it. …

    Craig Ranke: Is there anything you told me that you think you might have just deduced?

    Sgt. Lagasse: No, I mean, like I said the things that aren’t up for grabs; the plane was there; went into the building.

    Craig Ranke: The plane was far to the North side of the station. Did not pass over the station.

    Sgt. Lagasse: Yeah, it’s not like there was the shadow of a wingtip going over here. It was far enough out that I could see it because the one thing that made me realize what kind of plane it was; was being able to see both engines, you know, so it wasn’t obscured at all. …

    Craig Ranke: Sgt. Brooks is going to draw for me on the image, where he saw the plane fly. … [Sgt. Brooks draws a line on the aerial photo of the Pentagon area.]

    Sgt. Lagasse: That’s damn near perfect from what I saw. And we’ve never — for the record we never talked to each other about this.

    Sgt. Brooks: Yeah, for the record, we never — we’ve never discussed it at all. …

    Craig Ranke: So you guys, neither of you guys have really talked about this with each other? Never in all these five years, and you both independently drew the flight path line pretty much exact.

    Sgt. Lagasse: I know, I was — the way this has been going — who knew what he was going to put down there because he was in a different location. But it’s right there, which makes me feel good about the way I remembered it.

    Craig Ranke: So you’re both pretty much 100% certain that that’s what you remember the flight path being?

    Sgt. Brooks: But from different locations, yes. http://thepentacon.com

    * Editor’s note: Sgt. Brooks’ and Sgt. Lagasse’s eyewitness descriptions of the path taken by Flight 77 as it approached the Pentagon from north of the Naval Annex and CITGO gas station differ significantly from the official account, which claims Flight 77 approached the Pentagon from significantly further south. The officers’ statements are corroborated by the statements of other eyewitnesses recorded in the PentaCon documentary.

    This more northerly flight path is inconsistent with the swath of destruction inside the Pentagon, which runs from the southwest to northeast, as reported in the Pentagon Building Damage Report. The more northerly flight path is also inconsistent with downing the five light poles, which is attributed to Flight 77 in the official account.

    Sgt. Brooks’ and Sgt. Lagasse’s eyewitness statements are further corroborated by the analysis of Flight 77′s Flight Data Recorder performed by the group, Pilots for 911 Truth, whose members include the former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology, Lt. Col. Robert Bowman. See the association’s one-hour video presentation and press release for more details.

    * Editor’s note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Latas, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, Capt. Davis, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Steve DeChiaro, Bob Pugh, Jamie McIntyre, and Colonel Bunel.

    Robert Medairos

    Lt. Robert Medairos

    Lt. Robert Medairos – Arlington County Police Department. First Incident Commander for the County at the Pentagon on 9/11.

    * Video of Press Conference at the Pentagon 9/11/01:

    “At that time, we immediately left the station and responded down here to the Pentagon. We arrived within minutes after the crash, over here at south parking lot. At that time, I was the Watch Commander for the day, in charge of the County. I set up our incident command and began a staging area for us. Basically, we took command of the traffic for outside of the Pentagon. …

    My first thought was, I couldn’t believe what happened. And they said it was a plane and I didn’t see any pieces of any plane. And I couldn’t believe that a plane hit the building.” http://www.youtube.com

    * Editor’s note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Latas, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, Capt. Davis, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Steve DeChiaro, Bob Pugh, Jamie McIntyre, and Colonel Bunel.

    Steve DeChiaro

    Steve DeChiaro (on right)

    Steve DeChiaro – Pentagon survivor. Founder of DSCI, a defense contractor. Mr. DeChiaro was walking into the Pentagon’s south parking lot entrance when the Pentagon was hit on 9/11. He immediately went to the impact area and started evacuating the injured and the dying. For his heroic efforts that day, Mr. DeChiaro was awarded the Medal of Valor, the Defense Department’s highest civilian award for courage and valor.

    * Article 8/1/02: “Instead of following the streams of people away from the Pentagon, Steve DeChiaro ran toward the smoke.

    As he reached the west side of the building he saw a light post bent in half.

    “But when I looked at the site, my brain could not resolve the fact that it was a plane because it only seemed like a small hole in the building,” he said. “No tail. No wings. No nothing.” http://web.archive.org

    * Editor’s note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Latas, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, Capt. Davis, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Steve DeChiaro, Bob Pugh, Jamie McIntyre, and Colonel Bunel.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  127. Cut and paste, cut and paste, cut and paste.

    Funny how blubonnet has stopped doing this in the truther thread. The reason is that blu can’t defend the positions he took in that thread.

    so instead, it’s this antagonistic cut and paste, meant to destroy the actual discussion.

    What a loser.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  128. There are many hundreds more, but will give it a break.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  129. Perhaps the thing to do is, entry for entry, post DSM-IV-TR criteria.

    This is not necessarily applicable, but is strangely reminiscent of some posters:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

    Simon Jester (d334a8)

  130. Major John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency. Former military attaché in China. 21-year career in U.S. Army Intelligence. Currently, professor of history and international relations at the University of Maryland.

    * Congressional briefing testimony 7/22/05: “It falls to me this morning to bring to your attention the story of Saeed Sheikh, whose full name is Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, and his astonishing rise to power in Al Qaeda, his crucial role in 9/11, which is completely, utterly, missing from the 9/11 Commission report…

    The 9/11 Commission which studied US intelligence and law enforcement community performance in great detail, (maybe not so much great detail, but they did), neglected to cover the community’s performance during the weeks following the attacks to determine who was responsible for them, not a word about that in the Report.

    The Report does discuss the immediate US responses but the immediate investigation is never addressed, and anyone who has closely studied the post-9/11 investigation knows that the first breakthrough came two weeks into the investigation when the money transfers from the United Arab Emirates to the hijackers were uncovered.

    Furthermore, if you have studied that investigation, you know there is no disputing that while investigators may have struggled with the identity of the paymaster, they were clear about one thing, he was Al Qaeda’s finance chief. For this reason alone you have to ask why the 9/11 Commission Report never mentions the finance chief’s role as the 9/11 paymaster.” http://www.vt911.org

    * Editor’s note: Despite the finding of the Joint House-Senate Select Intelligence Committee’s 2002 Report (p.415) of “sources of foreign support for some of the September 11 hijackers”, the 9/11 Commission Report (p. 172) states, “Similarly, we have seen no evidence that any foreign government — or government official — supplied any funding.” For more information on foreign support of the 9/11 hijackers, see Senator Bob Graham, Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, William Bergman, and Michael Meacher.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  131. There are many hundreds more, but will give it a break.

    Comment by Blubonnet —

    What’s these hundreds of spam cuts and pastes got to do with the topic of this thread?

    Why did you run and flee from the truther thread, instead of answering my questions? Why did you revert to destroying a different thread?

    It’s clear you want to shut down the opinions of anyone who wins an argument against you.

    What a loser.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  132. Blu, either shut the f**k up, or you’re going to end up in moderation.

    You know what, forget I said anything…

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  133. Morgan Reynolds, PhD – Chief Economist, U.S. Department of Labor under George W. Bush 2001 – 2002. Former Director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis. Professor Emeritus, Economics, Texas A&M University. Contributing author to 9/11 and American Empire (Vol I) – Intellectuals Speak Out (2006).

    * Video interview with Alex Jones 6/2/06: “I first began to suspect that 9/11 was in inside job when the Bush-Cheney Administration invaded Iraq. … We can prove that the government’s story is false.” http://video.goo

    * Essay 6/9/05: “It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause(s) of the collapse of the twin towers [each 1300+ feet tall, 110 stories] and building 7. If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely [to] prove to be sound.” http://www.l

    * Editor’s note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission’s “full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.” Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  134. Deputy Chief Raymond Downey – WTC victim. Commanding Officer of the Special Operations Command (SOC), FDNY. 39-year veteran. Most heavily decorated firefighter in FDNY history.

    Chief Downey was a renowned expert on building collapses. In testimony before the U.S. Senate, Battalion Chief and Executive Officer of Hazardous Material Operations, Robert Ingram, FDNY referred to him as “the premiere collapse expert in the country.” In a public hearing of the 9/11 Commission, Commissioner Timothy Roemer described Chief Downey as a “very, very respected expert on building collapse.”

    According to Fire Engineering Magazine, “Chief Downey was nationally known for his pioneering efforts in the field of technical rescue and was the unofficial leader of the FEMA Urban Search and Rescue Teams he trained for disaster response throughout the United States and the world. Chief Downey commanded rescue operations at many difficult and complex disasters, including the Oklahoma City Bombing, the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing, and many natural disasters worldwide.”

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  135. Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory – WTC survivor. Bureau of Communications, FDNY

    * Statement recorded by FDNY 10/3/01: “I don’t know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 [South Tower] came down, that I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought — at that time I didn’t know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.

    Q. Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?

    A. No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That’s what I thought I saw. And I didn’t broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don’t know if I’m crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me. He said did you see anything by the building? And I said what do you mean by see anything? He said did you see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too. ….

    Q. On the television pictures it appeared as well, before the first collapse, that there was an explosion up on the upper floors.

    A. I know about the explosion on the upper floors. This was like eye level. I didn’t have to go like this. Because I was looking this way. I’m not going to say it was on the first floor or the second floor, but somewhere in that area I saw to me what appeared to be flashes. I don’t know how far down this was already. I mean, we had heard the noise but, you know, I don’t know.” http://graphics8.nytimes

    * Editor’s note: Despite hundreds of eyewitness reports of explosions throughout the Twin Towers by doomed victims, survivors, emergency service personnel, reporters, and bystanders, the 9/11 Commission Report contains virtually no mention of them and entirely ignores them in its conclusions. Graeme MacQueen’s analysis of oral histories of 9/11 taken from 503 FDNY survivors reveals more than 100 FDNY personnel reported explosions in the Twin Towers.

    Blubonnet (60b8e5)

  136. My Bonnet lies over the ocean
    My Bonnet lies over the sea
    My Bonnet lies ’bout 9/11
    Oh bring back my Bonnet to me

    Icy Texan (1ddadb)

  137. Blubonnet – You said you were going to stop. Please do. People here are not interested in your walls of text or links.

    If you haven’t tried the site, protein wisdom, proteinwisdom.com might be a more receptive blog. The commenters and dialog are a few notches from here. Give it a try.

    daleyrocks (e7bc4f)

  138. blubonnet,

    Regarding your walls of text:

    1. People are not interested.

    2. If they are, a link will do, together with a SHORT excerpt, posted in a post where the discussion is on topic.

    You will be moderated for a couple of days to see if you are observing these requirements. Comments that follow these rules will be published, when I get to them. If you continue violating the rules (as others have) I will not bother approving anything.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  139. Hint: this is not the thread for ANY of this. The Truther thread is. Keep your stuff there; no lengthy quotes; links that work.

    Patterico (c218bd)


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