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12/20/2010

Harry Potter and the Honor Beating

Filed under: General — Aaron Worthing @ 8:41 pm



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This is Afshan Azad.  You might recognize her.  She is a Pakistani actress who appeared in some of the Harry Potter movies as Padma Patil.

She has also been beaten by her brother, called a prostitute and threatened with murder by her father.  Why?  Because she dared to date a Hindu.

A Harry Potter actress fled her home after her father and brother threatened to kill her for going out with a Hindu man, a court heard yesterday.

Afshan Azad, 22, who appeared in the blockbuster movies as Padma Patil, was attacked and branded a ‘slag’ when Muslim relatives found out about her boyfriend.

The actress was so scared that she escaped out of her bedroom window and later fled her home city.

Police were called and her father, Abul Azad, 54, and brother, Ashraf, 28, were arrested and charged with making threats to kill her. The actress’s brother was also charged with assault.

But Miss Azad refused to testify and yesterday failed to turn up at their trial at Manchester Crown Court.

The account of the assault is pretty frightening, too:

Richard Vardon QC, prosecuting, said the actress was ‘the victim of an unpleasant assault by her brother’ at the family home in Longsight, Manchester, in May.

He added: ‘The reason for the assault, apparently her association with a Hindu man, that apparently being disapproved of by her family who are Muslim.’

Mr Vardon said Abul Azad had been woken up by his son, Ashraf, shouting: ‘Sort out your daughter! She’s a slag.’

He went on: ‘He continued to further assault her, shouting, “Just kill her!”’

Reading from the victim’s statement, the prosecutor added: ‘My father began saying he would do it, a reference to kill her, as he did not want his sons to have her blood on their hands and he would do time for it. Then she began to feel very scared.’

Her father was said to have threatened to take her to Bangladesh and force her into an arranged marriage.

She has fled to London, so she looks like she will be physically safe.  But it is stunning that this level of intolerance exists in the world.  On the other hand, it appears to be par for the course in Pakistan where blasphemy against Mohammed (pedophilia be upon him) will earn you the death sentence.

As they say, read the whole thing.

Update: Gateway Pundit covers the story, offers a few choice words for father and brother, and provides this additional picture of the young woman:

These men are emotionally deformed.

Update (II): I mistated the facts slightly, and have edited the post to reflect it.  Thanks to “Anon Y. Mous.”

[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]

63 Responses to “Harry Potter and the Honor Beating”

  1. But don’t you dare call the faith of these pigs evil.

    That would be wrong, I guess.

    I know Muslims who aren’t like this, just as I know Baptists who aren’t Phelps. But this particular faith is evil, and this lady should apply for asylum in the USA and buy a handgun. Your fat pig of a brother can’t overpower your thin female arms when they are holding a nice Sig Sauer.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  2. Another sad thing is that they young woman could be a poster child for how a certain community is compatible with modern civilization, but her story will always be evidence that a fairly large interpretation of Islam is completely wrong on every level.

    The laws are already on the books and being applied, but what we need is public discussion.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  3. religion of peace my a55.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  4. __________________________________________________

    where blasphemy against Mohammed (pedophilia be upon him) will earn you the death sentence.

    That so goes against the teachings and history of the honorable, wonderful, decent, humane, beautiful, wise founder of Islam.

    Assalamu alaikum.

    BTW, to all the liberals throughout the Western World — who have such a firm grasp of the good and bad in people and situations — yes, it is quite touching and warm-hearted of you to give a thousand benefits of the doubt to people like Afshan Azad’s brother and father. To run roughshod over the concept of “when in Rome, do as the Romans do,” because the general idea of conformity is mean-spirited and prudish—and imperialistic, capitalistic, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, etc.

    Again, assalamu alaikum.

    Mark (3e3a7c)

  5. Racists

    JD (07faa1)

  6. Dustin

    What we need is the establishment of a society where this is considered sufficiently abnormal that it becomes truly aberration. The idea of hating your own flesh like this is beyond my comprehension. Obviously, it exists, but if I was never told it existed, i would have assumed it didn’t.

    It reminds me of that old Sting song called something like “The Russians.” He posited that the Russians and the West both loved their children and that commonality could be the foundation of peace. But whatever value that theory has, it doesn’t work too well with people willing to murder themselves and raise their children to hate and kill (I’m looking at you, Palestine).

    This breed of islam is evil. The only question is whether it is common.

    Aaron Worthing (b8e056)

  7. Great point Aaron.

    The Russians didn’t want a nuclear holocaust. They loved people and were not brainwashed into anything like this degree of hate.

    My sisters are precious to me. I even understand the notion of not being happy with you your sister is dating. But this attempt to reject their own blood to the point of death threats shows they saw this woman as a disloyal animal they should force into compliance.

    And there are a hell of a lot of women out there who respond to that force with compliance. This tactic works quite often.

    We need a society where it cannot, and where this ‘religion’ is loudly condemned. This evil thrives on the charity of political correctness.

    How can we possibly win a war on terror against these people? I hope Bush was right, and we have to make a long term gamble that freer and happier societies will resolve this on their own. I’m not convinced, but I don’t have any alternatives.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  8. she needs to get out of England that place isn’t safe

    our little country should offer her asylum

    happyfeet (fd4f3b)

  9. Baptist is not a religion, it is denomination.

    It’s probably the same in Islam, except the subjucation of women in the name of Allah does seem to be a constant.

    ag80 (ed728d)

  10. Shamefully, Ms. Azad’s pig of a father and brother most likely live off of her royalties from the Harry Potter movies as she is required to turn said earnings over to them.

    They are not men. They are parasites of the lowest form.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  11. she got all the looks in the family someone gave her brother a vicious beatdown with an ugly stick

    happyfeet (fd4f3b)

  12. She fled to London and later claimed she could not understand her father’s heavy Bengali accent and may have misheard what he said.

    The actress later gave a statement to the two suspects’ lawyer saying: ‘I dearly love my father and brother.

    ‘The proceedings have caused me no end of distress and if it goes ahead, it will make things much worse for me.’

    Mr Vardon said steps had been taken to try to make sure she testified but it had not been possible to ensure she came to court voluntarily.

    if someone doesn’t deprogram her she’ll be dead within a year

    happyfeet (fd4f3b)

  13. On a linguistic note: Richard Vardon QC, prosecuting, said the actress was ‘the victim of an unpleasant assault by her brother’ at the family home in Longsight, Manchester, in May.

    Because there can be pleasant assaults?

    And being terrified and fearful enough of a threat to kill is just unpleasant?

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  14. happyfeet,

    That’s the saddest thing I’ve read in a while. She’s completely brainwashed.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  15. This is not a problem of intolerance. This is a problem of far too MUCH tolerance. As in why the blank blankety blank do the civilized nations of the world tolerate this kind of barbarism?

    I suppose that, in the case of the Usual Liberal Suspects, it comes down to; if you can overlook the results of Communism, you can overlook ANYTHING.

    C. S. P. Schofield (e4bd33)

  16. Dana

    Of course there is such a thing as a pleasant assault. S&M Dominatrixes specialize in that sort of thing. :-)

    Joking aside, I noticed that, too, but figured, well, its just a figure of speech.

    CSP

    But… but… but… they are the reality based community?

    Aaron Worthing (b8e056)

  17. ______________________________________________

    Again, when in Rome, don’t do as the Romans do. Do whatever is politically correct, whatever nurtures self-esteem (however that is defined), whatever goes against the grain (ie, of Western culture), whatever soothes the guilty conscience of Euro-American liberals, elite or otherwise.

    Examiner.com, December 20, 2010:

    32% of British Muslim students support killing for Islam; 40% want Sharia Law. If the way young Muslims in Britain are feeling is any indication for America’s own Muslim community, then America better beware. According to a new survey done at 30 universities in Britain, the young Muslim student body in that country is extremely radicalized. The poll asked 600 Muslim students and 800 of their non-Muslim peers about politically touchy subjects like killing in the name of Islam and Sharia Law — and the results were like night and day between the two demographics. While hardly anyone in the non-Muslim sample accepted killing in the name of religion, basically one-third of all Muslim students in Britain supported this.

    dailymail.co.uk, June 2009:

    At least 85 Islamic sharia courts are operating in Britain, a study claimed yesterday. The astonishing figure is 17 times higher than previously accepted.

    The tribunals, working mainly from mosques, settle financial and family disputes according to religious principles. They lay down judgments which can be given full legal status if approved in national law courts.

    However, they operate behind doors that are closed to independent observers and their decisions are likely to be unfair to women and backed by intimidation, a report by independent think-tank Civitas said.

    The spread of sharia law has become increasingly controversial since its role was backed last year by Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams and Lord Phillips, the Lord Chief Justice who stepped down last October. Dr Williams said a recognised role for sharia law seemed ‘unavoidable’ and Lord Phillips said there was no reason why decisions made on sharia principles should not be recognised by the national courts.

    Mark (3e3a7c)

  18. Comment by C. S. P. Schofield — 12/20/2010 @ 9:59 pm

    It happened incrementally and with the blinders of multi-culti political correctness firmly in place. It was preferable to ignore and rationalize any warning signs.

    Sen. Peter King may be on to something.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  19. This is a “normal”, day upon day occurance within the world-wide Muslim community, particularly in segments barely, or little at all, removed from a tribal society.
    And, they will kill you for attempting to interfere with a “family matter”.

    AD-RtR/OS! (c0ea0d)

  20. She has also been beaten by her father and her brother, called a prostitute and threatened with murder. Why? Because she dared to date a Hindu.

    I keep on seeing people claim that her father beat her, then they go on to link or quote sources that say her brother beat her and her father threatened her. Do you have a source for your claim that she was beaten by her father?

    I do not defend the actions of either her father or brother, but do think that we should be careful not to overstate what occurred, as that it disturbing enough as it is.

    Anon Y. Mous (58a68b)

  21. Anon

    I stand corrected. Thanks.

    Aaron Worthing (b8e056)

  22. “You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.”–General Sir Charles Napier

    as seen over at Lex’s place. i don’t see why our approach to these charming islamic customs should be any different.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  23. “Her father was said to have threatened to take her to Bangladesh and force her into an arranged marriage.”

    I can’t decide which of those two things is the worse punishment.

    Dave Surls (71990c)

  24. On a positive note, happyfeet now has a new word to use in reference to Sarah ‘Slag’ Palin.

    Icy Texan (2a60b2)

  25. red

    that is a great quote. Steyn was the one who first brought that one up. I’ll probably add that to the post later.

    Aaron Worthing (b8e056)

  26. These men are emotionally deformed.

    Bullshit. These men are fully cognizant of what they did, and are completely at peace with it. They are, after all, muzzies. This beating and domination of a woman is what they do; it’s who they are.

    RickZ (882387)

  27. Mr Worthing wrote:

    What we need is the establishment of a society where this is considered sufficiently abnormal that it becomes truly aberration.

    They lived in the United Kingdom, where it is considered “sufficiently abnormal.” The problem is that they weren’t Britishers of Pakistani extraction, but still Pakistanis, who happened to live in the UK.

    The multi-cultural Dana (3e4784)

  28. There has been discussion as to how the left can seem to minimize the threat of radical Islam compared with the terrors of conservatism.

    One similarity between the two is the emphasis on the good of the collective. The brother and father were not concerned about their sister/daughter but about the effect on the social standing of their family (and to some degree the social standards of the community). Fits well with a leftist idea of needing to murder a few million people for the good of society.

    I’m surprised she was allowed to interact with Western Culture to the degree that she was in a movie.

    Hopefully her unwillingness to go through with testifying against her father and brother will not be accompanied by returning to them. While that often happens in abusive relationships, I think it’s possible she can have enough individuality to separate herself but, “afterall, they are my family”, and not want to put them in jail.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  29. I’m surprised she was allowed to interact with Western Culture to the degree that she was in a movie.

    The family were probably freeloaders living off her movie income/royalties.

    RickZ (882387)

  30. She now claims that she can’t understand her own father’s accent? Either he’s not much of a father because she’s seen him once or twice in her lifetime or she’s lying.

    Ever hear of Stockholm syndrome?

    Wondering (0cb8c4)

  31. A young woman in Sweden was murdered by her father a couple of years ago when she agreed to see him after a year of hiding out. This young woman should stay completely away from male relatives but I fear she will be lured back and killed.

    The Hindus have their own problems. British plastic surgeons have quite a bit of experience reconstructing noses that have been cut off unfaithful wives.

    Mike K (568408)

  32. And once again, the shrillest venting of spleen is nowhere to be found from the self – appointed feminists of the Western World. They’re much more interested in defending the alleged sexual assaults of their newest fanboy hero, Assange.

    Dmac (498ece)

  33. Voluntary prisoners always look for the bright spots in their captivity. This young woman will have to give up her family and her whole muslim world if she pursues independence. And that independence obviously could lead to her death, too. So she protests that she loves her father and brother and may have misunderstood their intentions ….

    Saddened (0cb8c4)

  34. Wondering

    > She now claims that she can’t understand her own father’s accent?

    Which means more or less, “no one hit me. i fell down the stairs.”

    Aaron Worthing (b8e056)

  35. Comment by Aaron Worthing — 12/21/2010 @ 4:57 am

    The Napier quote has been used on these pages many times in response to the barbarity found in tribal societies – occasionally by yours truly.
    It is, unfortunately, not found to be relevant by our betters, who have “progressed” beyond such primitive responses.

    AD-RtR/OS! (b8ab92)

  36. To me, viewing Muslims as practitioners of an acceptable religion (so long as they personally eschew bombing & honor killings!) is the same thing as viewing KKK members as practitioners of an acceptable racism (so long as its adherents personally eschew lynching!)

    Wrong is wrong. End of story.

    ShyAsrai (921609)

  37. She should move to Oklahoma, a state with forward thinking citizens, and ask Sarah Palin for shooting lessons.

    daleyrocks (a82d72)

  38. I found this comment at HuffPo when reading about this over there and unfortunately, the thought process behind the statement is the go-to of those too afraid to name the religion of peace as the motivating factor,

    The US has a far worse record of abuse of women than anywhere in the Middle East. Domestic violence is off the scale usually fueled by drugs and alcohol. There are laws like restrainin­g orders but they are loosely enforced allowing the prepetrato­r to offend many times over or until a murder is committed. The abuse is so prevalent that law enforcemen­t is stretched too thin to make a real difference­. Visit your local trailer park or hood to see the problem first hand, not that it doesn’t go on in all aspects of the society. It rather irks me when people complain about this problem in other countries when our culture is stained by this same appalling behavior.

    (emph. mine)

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  39. Dana – That comment is so beautiful it is worth saving or memorializing! The supposed intelligence of our enlightened liberal elite on display and rationalizing away evil once more.

    BUNNIES!!!! LOTS OF BUNNIES!!!!!

    daleyrocks (a82d72)

  40. 37. To me, viewing Muslims as practitioners of an acceptable religion (so long as they personally eschew bombing & honor killings!) is the same thing as viewing KKK members as practitioners of an acceptable racism (so long as its adherents personally eschew lynching!)
    Wrong is wrong. End of story.
    Comment by ShyAsrai — 12/21/2010 @ 9:57 am

    Glad you prefaced this with “To me…”

    You are on the wrong board with bigotry like your post. Please go back to DailyKos or similar, where you will be more comfortable with your views.

    TimesDisliker (1005a0)

  41. To me, viewing Muslims as practitioners of an acceptable religion (so long as they personally eschew bombing & honor killings!) is the same thing as viewing KKK members as practitioners of an acceptable racism (so long as its adherents personally eschew lynching!)

    Wrong is wrong. End of story.

    Comment by ShyAsrai

    List the aspects you think are wrong with Islam. If someone practiced Islam without those things, it would probably not be so bad.

    I realize there is a problem, in that some think the extreme hateful version of Islam is the One True Islam.

    I know, for sure, firsthand, that this is not necessarily the case.

    I am not a Muslim, I’m Christian, and it’s not like I actually have some stake in Islam being practiced at all. But it’s a huge religion, and it’s in direct conflict with my way of life, and the best solution I’m aware of is to accept moderate Islam. I don’t think Muhammad was an instrument of God… I think he was a pedophile and sociopath. But I’m trying to work with reality, and hope people can evolve.

    Please do not conflate liars who pretend to be moderate muslims (such as the GZM Faisal fella) with actual moderates out there.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  42. Also, a KKK that doesn’t act is actually a hell of a lot better than the terrorist organization they used to be.

    I would accept a similar Islam that simply keeps its views to online ramblings and sermons, instead of beating up girls and women, or blowing up Jews and other Westerners.

    There are a lot of bad thoughts in the world… I would accept that on its own, to be honest.

    Dustin (b54cdc)


  43. (pedophilia be upon him)

    I’ve been rather fond of “pig s— be upon him”, myself…

    PSBUH (9eeb86)

  44. Dustin

    Truly, a KKK that was a political organization only would have been a vast improvement circa 1870.

    Aaron Worthing (b8e056)


  45. But this attempt to reject their own blood to the point of death threats shows they saw this woman as a disloyal animal they should force into compliance.

    IgotBupkis, President, United Anarchist Society (9eeb86)

  46. “The US has a far worse record of abuse of women than anywhere in the Middle East…”–Some leftist dolt

    Gee, I wonder why.

    “In Saudi Arabia, only in 2004 did the first successful prosecution for domestic violence occur after international attention was drawn to the case of Rania al-Baz.[25]”–wiki

    Maybe its because when Muslim men in Muslim countries beat the hell out of their wives it’s virtually never reported, or prosecuted.

    Makes record-keeping so much simpler.

    Left wing = quasi-sentient

    Dave Surls (58c38d)

  47. Dave, it’s sad you even have to explain that.

    The US keeps a lot of records other countries are not so frank about. If someone really finds this great country to be worse for women than the Arab world, they are simply completely ignorant.

    And they may think they are showing sensitivity, but they are doing the opposite. People who ignore women’s rights in the Arab world are not classic liberals, but rather just idiots.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  48. Let’s try that again…


    But this attempt to reject their own blood to the point of death threats shows they saw this woman as a disloyal animal they should force into compliance.


    Dr. Sanity did an excellent piece about shame cultures vs. guilt cultures.

    Ours is a guilt culture, and Islam is a shame culture. Understanding that, and what that means about how they interact, is a fundamental part of understanding how and why Islam is intrinsically incompatible with modern Western culture, as well as many other cultures. It needs, desperately, to transform from a shame culture to a guilt culture, as so many other human cultures have done.

    Until that starts happening, it will remain incompatible, and always fail the “plays well with others” socialization test.

    .

    IgotBupkis, President, United Anarchist Society (9eeb86)


  49. The US keeps a lot of records other countries are not so frank about.

    Indeed, that’s why comparing US Infant Mortality rates to that of other nations in an effort to call attention to health care issues is a ludicrously disingenuous comparison. We include in that statistic babies which most other nations don’t classify as live-born at all.

    IgotBupkis, President, United Anarchist Society (9eeb86)

  50. Maybe its because when Muslim men in Muslim countries beat the hell out of their wives it’s virtually never reported, or prosecuted.

    It’s normal SOP. What’s there to report? No crime has been committed, no one of value has been harmed, and men are able to maintain their rightful place in their world. And isn’t that their priority anyway?

    Dana (25570a)

  51. #47

    I’ll tell you what’s even sadder, Dustin.

    Left wingers can reproduce and screw up the human gene pool. That’s enough to make even the most stoic among us weep.

    If only lefties didn’t have genitals, I bet the average human i.q. would be around 200.

    Dave Surls (58c38d)

  52. I would be honored to perpetrate a beating on the male members of her family.

    Icy Texan (172c11)

  53. I’m waiting for the first Muslim ‘holy’ man to condemn this agressively barbaric course of action in the name of religion. Or the first feminist.

    Birdbath (8501d4)

  54. I’m not wrong in my analogy. There is no moral defense – not in the 21st Century – for the tenets of Islam, any more than there would be for the KKK.

    ShyAsrai (921609)

  55. shy

    okay, what specific things do you believe is part of islam, and is evil?

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  56. These men are emotionally deformed.

    Well, that’s Islam for you.

    SGT Ted (5d10ae)

  57. Go here: http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/apostasy.htm. Here’s a taste:

    The famous commentary of Al Khazan (used most extensively in the Mohammedan University called Al Azhar), quotes from Malik ibn Anas, Ahmad ibn Hanbal and others, and gives this interpretation of the verse: “All the deeds of the apostate become null and void in this world and the next. He must be killed. His wife must be separated from him and he has no claims on any inheritance” (page 155, vol. I, Cairo edition). Ath Tha’alibi (788 A.H.), in his commentary on Sura II, verse 214, leaves no doubt that the verse in question, whatever the grammatical construction may be, demands the death of the apostate. (Cf. vol. i, p.167, Algiers edition, 1323).

    The passages in the Koran dealing with apostasy are the chapter of Women, verse 90; the chapter of the Table, verse 59; and the chapter of the Bee, verse 108, viz:

    “Why are ye two parties about the hypocrites, when God hath overturned them for what they earned? Do ye wish to guide those whom God hath led astray? Whoso God hath led astray ye shall not surely find for him a path. They would fain that ye misbelieve as they misbelieve, that ye might be alike; take ye not patrons from among them until they too fight in God’s way; but if they turn their backs, then seize them wheresoever ye and them, and take from them neither patron nor help” (IV. 90, 91). “O ye who believe! Whoso is turned away from his religion-God will bring (instead) a people whom He loves and who love Him, lowly to. believers, lofty to unbelievers, strenuous in the way of God, fearing not the blame of him who blames” (V.59).

    It will be sufficient to quote what the standard commentary of Baidhawi says on the first passage: “Whosoever turns back from his belief (irtada), openly or secretly, take him and kill him wheresoever ye find him, like any other infidel.

    1 Mufradat-gharib-ul-Quran-lil Sheikh-ar-Raghib, p.191.

    These’s plenty more like it. Islam is the problem as it is a totalitarian creed that even directs you in how you must wipe your own ass after defecating in order to not offend Allah.

    I didn’t used to think so until I spent 2003-04 in Iraq dealing directly with their civil institutions.

    SGT Ted (5d10ae)

  58. okay, what specific things do you believe is part of islam, and is evil?

    Comment by Aaron Worthing — 12/22/2010 @ 6:15 am

    Ol’ Mo for starters. How anyone can think a caravan robber, rapist and murderer (and those are his good traits) could ever found a ‘peaceful’ religion is beyond me.

    As racist as Ghandi was, at least he wasn’t into killing people (Jews should commit suicide by jumping into the ovens was his belief, but not the Germans actually doing the killing deed). Pisslam, on the other hand, has a history through to the present of being spread by the sword, including decapitations for those bold enough to just say no to Ol’ Mo.

    The evil of islam is its founder, and it just goes downhill from there. What else can you expect of a ‘religion’ which has such a ‘perfect example of man to mankind for all time’ as Ol’ Mo?

    Ol’ Mo is central to pisslam, and as long as that’s the case, pisslam will remain forever evil.

    RickZ (882387)

  59. Rick

    Well, given that mohammed was an evil man, hence why i keep saying “(pedophilia be upon him)” after his name. But i am talking about the teachings of islam and i am really asking. what teachings are evil?

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  60. Rick, you’re right that Muhammad was a terrible person. It doesn’t logically follow that all the people fooled by his Quran are terrible people.

    Though I do think understanding the facts about Muhammad is the best way to deprogram a Muslim, because this was over 1,000 years ago, people will suspect they are being lied to. Faith is powerful, and Islam is very clever in appealing to suffering and poverty and loneliness.

    It takes the effects of misery and, like judo, directs that power into faith. It’s brilliant for creating an evangelical faith. And the truth is, there’s a lot of wisdom in the Quran, much of it lifted from the Holy Bible.

    Like I said above, the war ends when we win. How do you win? Kill all Muslims? That’s Shy’s plan?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  61. Aaron, the teachings of islam are based upon Ol’ Mo and his psychotic revelations. He and his teachings/instructions cannot be separated from the ideology called islam. Why do you think islam takes blasphemy against Ol’ Mo so seriously, to the point of killing such blasphemers? A teddy bear named Mohammed warrants death? The Khartoon Riots were not a one-off. It is Ol’ Mo’s example that muslims must follow to be pious, and since you admit he is an evil man, where are we to go from that? You seem to be trying to separate the two, Ol’ Mo and the religious tenets of islam, but that is a fool’s errand. Just ask any true muslim how much they love and adore Ol’ Mo, though they deny they worhip him, but actually do. Why else kill over insults to some old dead Arab guy?

    Dustin, you fall for the same ‘separation’ trap. It is Ol’ Mo’s example that must be followed. He is their messenger, their prophet, their holiest of holy one. He is their Christ-figure, just with a multi-page rap sheet. That is who muslims emulate, that is who muslims strive to be, and we see that striving in muslim actions worldwide. Ol’ Mo was perfection in human form according to true muslims. Which, of course, is bunk. But like you say, faith is powerful. Though in islam’s case, I call it delusional denial. Why did Ol’ Mo have 11 wives, I believe the number was, but limits his followers to only four? As I said, he is ‘the best example of man to mankind for all time’ according to believing muslims, even the so-called moderate ones. Given his personal story, I call anyone who believes that claptrap to be delusional. And we see the delusions of islam on almost a daily basis in the here and now. Stonings, hanging of gays, the beating, control and humiliation of women deemed no more than property, suicide murder to get a free pass into the brothel that is islamic paradise. What kind of god/prophet deems those to be good things? A mad, delusional one, that’s who. Just as those who follow such teachings are mad and delusional, too.

    RickZ (882387)

  62. Two points:

    1) Neither Ms. Azad nor her family are Pakistani. They are Bangladeshi – from an entirely different part of the Indian subcontinent.

    Bangladesh was “East Pakistan” until 1970, and her father was probably a “Pakistani” until then (he is now 54), but that’s a technical point.

    Bangladeshis are also Moslem (that’s why Bangladesh was included in Pakistan under the 1948 partition).

    2) This sort of behavior (“honor killings”, violent abuse of disobedient female family members) is not “Islamic” – it occurs quite frequently in non-Moslem populations in that part of the world. Hindu “honor killings” don’t get as much press, but there have been many – one in Chicago. Sikhs, Druze, and Yezids do it. And yes, Christians do it. For instance, Coptic Christians in Egypt kill girls who want to marry outsiders.

    The problem, as noted above, lies in the “honor/shame” basis of these cultures – which transcends religion.

    Neither the Koran nor the Hadiths support “honor killings”. Leading Moslem clerics (Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah of Lebanon, Sheikh ‘Atiyyah Saqr of Al-Azhar University) have condemned it. But as a rule the local mullah never interferes; if one did, he’d be told to mind his own business.

    I keep going back to this, because treating this as a “Moslem religion” problem is like treating influenza with antibiotics. The causative agent is something else.

    Rich Rostrom (f7aeae)


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