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11/24/2010

“It’s An Amazing World;” Get Your Chris Christie Fix Right Here

Filed under: General — Aaron Worthing @ 11:22 am



[Guest post by Aaron Worthing; if you have tips, please send them here.]

“It’s an amazing world” is the semi-diplomatic response Christie gave when asked by Jimmy Fallon if Palin could be president.  You get the feeling that he thinks it would be ridiculous, but didn’t want to say it.  I also chuckled at his explanation for why he didn’t want to be President: “why would I want a less powerful job than the one I have now?”  Interesting point of view…

Still the real fun of this video is to watch him respond to Fallon for his joking dig at New Jersey.  Some have said he was imitating Joe Pesci inGoodfellas, but I was reminded more of De Niro in Meet the Parents.  The joke in Parents was how scary De Niro’s character was with his CIA background and DeNiro’s natural ability to communicate menace.  And to Christie’s credit, he did a good job doing a similar thing.

Well, either that or we will find Jimmy Fallon’s body floating in the East River.

[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]

279 Responses to ““It’s An Amazing World;” Get Your Chris Christie Fix Right Here”

  1. an amazing world! Even amazinger than mimic octopus?

    Pretty close.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  2. opps…stupid sockpuppet friday…

    gahrie (ed7a50)

  3. Mark it down – the big man’s running, and thank goodness for that.

    Dmac (498ece)

  4. is it just me or does it seem like a not a day goes by where some famous and/or powerful person doesn’t scoff at the idea of Sarah Palin being president? Just this week we had Mrs. Bush and George Will and now Chris Christie and that’s just off the top of my head.

    I bet she’s thinking oh yeah well shows what you know I are too presidential I was a vp candidate once remember and that’s like same as running for president cause that guy I was running with was like a thousand years old so hah kiss it.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  5. happyfeet, people scoffed at the idea of Ronald Reagan as President. I scoffed at the idea of a freshman Senator with a background of associating with radical left-wing terrorists as President. If you think that scoffing alone confirms your opinion of Sarah Palin, you are being silly.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  6. Wait. I thought Mr. Feet really didn’t like Mr. Christie and called him all kinds of names?

    Hmmm. I guess when someone agrees with Mr. Feet, why, he must be smart.

    Plus more bonus snark at an idea, not a person.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  7. #

    happyfeet, people scoffed at the idea of Ronald Reagan as President. I scoffed at the idea of a freshman Senator with a background of associating with radical left-wing terrorists as President. If you think that scoffing alone confirms your opinion of Sarah Palin, you are being silly.

    Comment by SPQR — 11/24/2010 @ 2:08 pm

    Palin is not Reagan. And I don’t really think all these people are really dissing Palin..we have just gotten so sensitive on the issue that anything other than adoration is seen as dissing. I think the fact that Palin took so much crap from the press early on made a lot of her supporters hyper sensitive to any perceived slights and slurs…hence every utterance in regards to her has to be about hate or love. I don’t think Christie feels either of those things for Palin.

    Terrye (3d4bc9)

  8. Terrye, and of course, I wrote “Palin is Reagan” in my comment.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  9. happy

    i saw that months ago on cracked.com. i wrote a post at Allergic to B.S. about it called something close to “Holy Crap! Shapeshifters!”

    I swear to god, I think one of my coworkers is really one of those octopuses.

    Aaron Worthing (b8e056)

  10. I like Mr. Christie as a governor I just think it gets really old how every time a Team R person flashes a little backbone or charisma or doesn’t drool on themselves on tv it immediately becomes incumbent upon us all to begin thinking of them as a potential presidential candidate. I have no doubt that Mr. Christie will certainly get there someday, but not for 2012. If Sarah Palin applies herself then one day she too could be counted among the ranks of potential presidents, but not based on the paltry record she has amassed so far.

    I blame Barack Obama. You elect one empty suit and bam all the other empty suits … they get ideas in their empty-suited little heads.

    It’s outrageous.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  11. Mr. A.W. I think that little critter is just about the most magical thing I’ve ever seen.

    The world is charged with the grandeur of God.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  12. Mr. Feet, I am not objecting to you…just the idea that you represent. Tell me, how did you write the following…

    “… I just think it gets really old how every time a Team R person flashes a little backbone or charisma or doesn’t drool on themselves on tv it immediately becomes incumbent upon us all to begin thinking of them as a potential presidential candidate….”

    ….without feeling just a little bit ashamed about your continual drumbeating? I mean, honestly?

    Whatever.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  13. hi Mr. Blair I have an off topic item I would like to share with the group

    brb

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  14. The U.S. Interior Department on Wednesday designated 187,000 square miles of offshore sea ice and other areas as critical habitat for polar bears, a move that could make it harder for Royal Dutch Shell PLC to begin drilling in Alaskan waters next summer.*

    ohnoes Mr. Blair! While we’ve been arguing about which amongst the riff-raff at hand would make the bestest make-pretendsies pezzydent, president bumblef has escalated the war on jobs!

    What’s a little pikachu to do?

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  15. My point is that you get all personal about any candidate you don’t like…then want to play nice when you feel like it.

    Clown nose on. Clown nose off.

    It’s the idea, you see. Not the person. So it’s all okay!

    But most people think you are just a sweetie pie. You and I know different. So do have a nice day.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  16. Funny you should mention that there’s new meaning to the phrase “hammer coming down.” ……uh, Texas style.

    Larry Reilly (ae99e7)

  17. Christie, really should stop disdaining her, they are in equivalent circles, cleaning out the Augean stables, of Alaska and Jersey, you can add Jindal
    in Baton Rouge, she could show a stack of clips in
    the Daily News from 2007-8, to see how the wave turns. Schundler’s testimony on the Race to the Top matter, will be aired in the near future,

    narciso (82637e)

  18. Is he fatter than Grover Cleveland?

    nk (db4a41)

  19. Mr. Blair what would be neat I think is if I had my opinion and also you had your opinion. You want you can go first.

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  20. “The U.S. Interior Department on Wednesday designated 187,000 square miles of offshore sea ice and other areas as critical habitat for polar bears”

    Making the seas safer for the poor little sammin fishes our greasy assed little empty suit socialist pezzydent man is. Bless his heart on this Thanksgiving Eve.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  21. I like happyfeet. It could be just because he said nice things about my origami. But I think it’s because he agrees with Ralph Waldo Emerson about consistencies, same as me.

    nk (db4a41)

  22. I don’t like him enough to bless his stupid heart I think he’s a shameless twat and a crappy president besides

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  23. hah! I like you too! I still have my swan it graces the top of a music stand my grandfather made for grandma… she was an accomplished violinist and had tons and tons of sheet music which I think we ended up donating to a liberry – when I move the swan will go into the top drawer with all sorts of odd antiquey curio thingers what have been in that drawer forever

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  24. I am in the quandary of being Orthodox but not orthodox. I like people who are not attached to doxies.

    nk (db4a41)

  25. ok I’ll go first.

    How do we feel about Sarah Palin smearing Barbara Bush as a “blue blood?”

    First of all who even uses that word anymore? And is this sort of class-warfare demagoguery helpful? I remember my mom worked with both Barbara Bush and Nancy Reagan at different times for different events in our town… and she thought very highly of Barbara she thought she was “darling.”

    Mostly she would say Nancy was “just fine” but if she’d had a few glasses of wine and she told the story she’d tell you the for reals truth and tell you she thought Nancy was a snooty b-i-t-c-h. She spelled it out but I knew what word she meant.

    She said the lady made it very clear she resented having been sent to our one-horse town and that she really put a minimal effort into being charming and making people feel like their help was valued.

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  26. I think all this Palin-bashing is opening up the race for an establishment candidate like Rick Perry. I like Perry fine but I’d rather see a competition than a back-room selection.

    DRJ (d43dcd)

  27. Barbara’s a Pierce, of the McCall publishing fortune, so yes it’s old money, like Knowles, the Yale educated Democrat millionaire oilman she defeated in 2006, W has Andover, Yale, & Harvard Bus,and he was still an idiot in their book, whereas
    Kerry is just pure. . .

    narciso (82637e)

  28. I thought the Trans-Texas Corridor was a visionary and cool idea and it was ballsy of Perry to support it. He’d be a decent-enough president I think.

    I don’t know that he’d be very helpful to Team R though nationally.

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  29. George H.W. Bush and Barbara Bush are “bluebloods”, happyfeet. It was hardly a “smear”.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  30. Anything but another back room choice. And like I’ve said before, anything but Huckabee.

    Mostly, I dread the constant campaigning between now and 2012. I remember being so completely relieved after 2008 was finally over, even though we got our butts kicked. I just couldn’t take the commercials and everything else anymore. Two years is too dang long.

    Vivian Louise (05aded)

  31. they’re not bluebloods they’re Americans – but if Sarah Palin wants to roll around in the mud with the class smears let’s have at it – yes… let’s go there

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  32. feets, you slip further and further into irrelevance.

    AD-RtR/OS! (8109c8)

  33. Old money, Ivy League schools, that’s “blueblood” happyfeet.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  34. feets asks how we feel about Sarah Palin smearing Barbara Bush as a blue-blood….

    But, he says nothing about BB smearing Sarah Palin….BB didn’t have to say anything bad about a conservative….she could have said nothing, or something neutral….

    but, of course, feets decides that Sarah smeared BB….

    Why….

    reff (b43ea5)

  35. feets…the worst case of PDS probably in forever history…

    reff (b43ea5)

  36. Mr. Drew you should get trollhammer for so you only have to read relevant commentary what takes an appropriately reverent tone towards Sarah Palin. Also you should get kozy shack pumpkin pudding cause of it’s flippin’ tasty.

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  37. Mrs. Bush didn’t smear Palin Mr. reff.

    She simply implied she’d rather not see Palin run for president. And Palin of course has to imply that this is because the snotty Bush woman looks down on her. Cause of who Barbara’s family was. But it may be that Barbara doesn’t look down on her at all, that she simply thinks that Sarah is not qualified to be president. But Sarah wants to make it all about class… why?

    Because Sarah Palin is an opportunistic demagogue, and this is what demagogues do.

    Are we to believe that everyone who thinks Sarah Palin is a risible candidate for president is a “blue blood?” That’s silly on its face. Is Sarah saying that we should expect classy “blue bloods” to find Sarah Palin unpresidential… that this is somehow the natural order of things?

    This is Sarah Palin’s America by heart?

    That is one bitter bitter heart I think. Dismissing Barbara’s opinion just cause of who her family was is not the America I know.

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  38. “…That is one bitter bitter heart I think. ..”

    Indeed. But not in the way you mean it. Sigh.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  39. Yes we can always go here, that’s the Golden Age that Frum envisages;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Scranton

    narciso (82637e)

  40. Oh come on Barbara Bush did not smear Sarah Palin. That is the problem for so many Palin supporters…they see anything other than adoration as some sort of freaking attack. Never mind the fact that Republicans have said all kinds of crappy things about just about every member of the party at one time or another…when it comes to Palin, everyone has to walk on egg shells. All the time.

    And the remark about Barbara Bush being a blue blood is the kind of thing we used to hear Democratic demagogues throw around while they were trying to work up the masses against their capitalist overlords…and btw, Palin is making a lot of money out there. There is nothing wrong with that, she earned it…but she is not exactly a working stiff busting her butt to get by. Please, blue bloods..what is next? Power to da people? Stick it to da man?

    Terrye (ce0d6f)

  41. That’s a lot of projection, happyfeet.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  42. Terrye I agree with you. I “thought” that conservatives were for a country for business friendly policies and low taxes that let people be rewarded for succeeding. The Bushes and The McCalls did just that. Now they are to be shunned?

    And the “smear” thing is just so funny. Anything less than positive is viewed seems to be seen as hateful smearing behavior.
    The GOP has had its divisions of moderates and conservatives who would snark at each other but in general it was a healthy dynamic. The Palin phenomena has caused some deep splits and if the factions aren’t careful it could leave lasting damage.

    vor2 (802475)

  43. I request people stop referring to Christie “Fixes”.

    One unfortunate effect of putting someone up on a pedestal is setting them up for a fall. I’d prefer people left off the superlatives and just matter-of-factly discussed solid issues concerning possible candidates. There’s going to be enough excrement thrown around before it’s all over, so let’s please just talk calmly, please. As one person already said, I’m ready for the 2012 election to be over because of all the snide commenting. One doesn’t have to love or hate Palin, and a fair discussion of her strengths and weaknesses has been done before (please, no BS crap about “What strengths” or “What weaknesses”). If you want to make the next 2 years nothing but snide negative remarks or unrealistic cheering about your candidate of choice, go ahead.

    I care less about what Barbara or Laura Bush think than I do about what Michelle Obama thinks, and all I care about what Michelle Obama thinks is that she never had a reason to feel proud of the US prior to her husband becoming president. If she wants to be proud that the US will elect a dark skinned person even though they are inexperienced, unqualified, and incompetent, so be it. I’m still waiting for America to follow in the direction voiced by Martin Luther King, Jr., that we judge according to character first, qualifications second, and skin color somewhere between hair color and eye color.

    MD in Philly (cac12c)

  44. Somehow these things are all the “fault” of Sarah Palin or her supporters. Remind me again why it is that Barbara Bush is indulging in taking swipes at Palin on Larry King again?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  45. The GOP has had its divisions of moderates and conservatives who would snark at each other but in general it was a healthy dynamic. The Palin phenomena has caused some deep splits and if the factions aren’t careful it could leave lasting damage.

    Palin’s obsessed detractors in the GOP are at least as guilty of the split as Palin’s more vehement supporters. I find it amazing that the supposedly more thoughtful, wise and educated (just ask them!) “moderates” can’t see how their stereotyping and snobbish ridicule of Palin and her supporters makes the split worse.

    And yes, Barbara Bush, one of those supposedly more civilized “moderates”, snarked at Palin, implying there’s nothing notable about Palin but her looks, and wishing she’d stay in Alaska.

    So in the same spirit, I wish that Barbara Bush, a fabulous wife and parent, enjoys her retirement. May she take a well-earned exit from the public spotlight, and spend a lot of time doting on her great- and great-great grandchildren.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  46. It seems it is imminently more important to diss one of the leading figures in the tea party movement, on a geriatric dinosaur network, than it is to actually defend policies espoused by the former. They showed due deference, to Bill Clinton, who in many ways was the 1.0 version of Obama, recall the Halloween Massacre like purge of the CIA,
    the CRA revisions that are the trigger for this financial crisis, the Enron budgeting that transferred to Fannie and Freddy,

    narciso (82637e)

  47. I think much of this perceived snarking at Palin would vanish like this

    *poof*

    if she were to declare that she weren’t running for president.

    I think people have a sense of the presidency being something attained – that there’s a lot of merit involved.

    We’ve just seen, all of us, what happens when you elect an unqualified yet charismatic pop star – their support is a mile wide and an inch deep, and two years later they’re simply not taken seriously.

    It’s very uncharitable I think to wish this not just on Team R but on Sarah Palin herself. Sarah is young – certainly young enough to know that she has much yet she can learn that would be valuable to the execution of the presidency. What’s the rush? Why this frantic sense of needing to strike while the iron is hot?

    It reeks of opportunism.

    Here is a cool Dune word for Sarah. She should spend some time with this concept and give it some thought I think.

    Cause Sarah, if people are communicating to you that they don’t respect you, and your argument is that they’re just saying this cause they’re “blue bloods” … you’re not demonstrating what successful executives sometimes refer to as “listening skills.”

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  48. Yep, because Barbara Bush is the heart of the Republican party.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  49. Remind me again why it is that Barbara Bush is indulging in taking swipes at Palin on Larry King again?

    Barbara Bush was asked a question about Palin, and answered tactfully. Even called her “beautiful”. She opined that Palin should stay in Alaska.

    That’s taking swipes? Barbara Bush didn’t insult Palin or call her some pejorative name.

    Thanks for illustrating Terrye’s point: any criticism at all of Palin is now seen as smears.

    Some chump (e84e27)

  50. I think much of this perceived snarking at Palin would vanish like this
    *poof*
    if she were to declare that she weren’t running for president.

    Because Sarah the Snow Strumpet is doing a terrible thing by even considering a run for president.

    I think people have a sense of the presidency being something attained – that there’s a lot of merit involved.
    Like when they voted in the incumbent?

    I forgot: That’s different. Sarah the Trundra Trollop is badbadbad and she should just stay in Alaska and hunt moose and Bristol’s a whore and they’re just snowbilly trash . . .

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  51. Like when they voted in the incumbent?

    Mr. Bradley here is what I said…

    We’ve just seen, all of us, what happens when you elect an unqualified yet charismatic pop star

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  52. Some chump,
    I guess you’ve never heard of damning with faint praise.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  53. Some chump, it was not tactful at all.

    Well done, Brother Bradley.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  54. happyfeet,
    We’ve just seen, all of us, what happens when you elect an unqualified yet charismatic pop star

    Are you likening Palin to Obama?

    Seriously?

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  55. SPQR,
    But we are forgetting the most important point of all: It’s All Sarah’s Fault.™

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  56. #48
    Brother Bradley,
    It is a shared suicide pact if you ask me. Neither is better than the other.

    vor2 (802475)

  57. Shut up! You’re talking about Sarah Palin. How dare you?

    nk (db4a41)

  58. vor2
    Neither is better than the other.
    I’ll have to disagree. Obama is a far worse president than Palin would be — although I admit that’s a low hurdle to clear. And I think Daniels and perhaps some others would be better than Palin.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  59. Brother Bradley,
    I was referring to the infighting between Palin fans and detractors.

    vor2 (802475)

  60. Lets see, would she have turned her back on the tax pledge like Bush Sr in 199O, imposed wage and price
    controls in 1971 like Nixon, supported David Souter
    for Supreme Court, supported NCLB, enter into negotiations with the Iranians, like Reagan, avoided
    defending the FBI and CIA from attack like Ford, a few other examples come to mind

    narciso (82637e)

  61. vor,
    I was referring to the infighting between Palin fans and detractors.
    Oh. My bad. Sorry.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  62. What do we do about a problem like Sarah?

    Argue endlessly, I suppose.

    However, Christie makes a lot of the right noises, although he does have some baggage that needs exploring from a conservative POV (and no, not that stupid DOJ report).

    I think the 2012 election is going to be very interesting. Right now, I suspect President Obama will win again and we will have to endure another second term of an unpopular president.

    However, the bright side is he probably will be ineffective and I’m sure he will be elected as the U.N. General Secretary by acclamation, which, I suspect is the title he really wants.

    I also see other bright sides, but I don’t want to appear hubristic. I made that word up. Use it if you like.

    Ag80 (e828a4)

  63. No that was composed by a netrooter deep in the Justice Department, who Von Spakowsky called attention to her unprofessionalism., You remember
    him, he was the FEC appointee that was called a Nazi because his opinions on voter fraud, just were against the narrative. Another was John Bolton, who was undermined among others by a Vreeland, (yes of that family) who curiously enough, had presided over
    the Years of Lead, when he was station chief in Morocco. Are all by certain Senator from the Klondike, disliked such strong opinions.

    narciso (82637e)

  64. What do we do about a problem like Sarah?
    Isn’t Obama the problem?

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  65. “semi-diplomatic”

    Euphemism.

    Christie apart from spreading some love in support of losing candidates has not ventured aspirations beyond Jersey shores. He’s not running.

    As his taste in music, his appeal is circumscribed. Big fish in small pond is wise to stay put.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  66. Brother Fikes:

    Of course you are correct, I was simply reinforcing your point.

    Sarah Palin has not done one single thing in this nation to cause a problem, except, simply exist. Her existence isn’t a problem, except a whole lot of people think otherwise. I have no idea why, but to each his or her own.

    We go around and around about what some person may do, when we have a problem person that is, indeed, doing.

    Ag80 (e828a4)

  67. “Barbara Bush was asked a question about Palin, and answered tactfully. Even called her “beautiful”. She opined that Palin should stay in Alaska”

    Hardly, chumbucket. Babs believes a woman’s place is beside her man, playing the role to which she was born.

    In Palin’s place, that’s slopping the pigs after she clears the table and does the laundry.

    The ‘pragmatists’ are screwed, she’s running and the bluebloods that Dims might vote for are going to have to pool their votes at convention to beat her.

    Mittens and Huckster negotiate? The fourth place mudder looks golden flush with 12% or more.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  68. Ag80,
    I must be mentally slacking, with Turkey Day so close at hand. I hope your fear about Obama getting re-elected doesn’t come true, because that means ObamaCare and a whole lot of other bad things will survive.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  69. I don’t think anybody thinks her existence is a problem I think they think her presidential ambitions are presumptuous and overreaching.

    And I think – I’m not sure yet – but I think there’s growing feeling that Sarah Palin lacks a certain self-awareness.

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  70. Bradley: check your e-mail for something amusing…

    Eric Blair (720ce1)

  71. And I think – I’m not sure yet – but I think there’s growing feeling that Sarah Palin lacks a certain self-awareness.
    Translated: Palin doesn’t know she’s just a hick snowbilly who’s got no business running for president against the advice of her betters. How dare she be confident in her beliefs and continue to speak out?

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  72. Eric Blair,
    Just checked, and I was indeed amused, but also appalled.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  73. happy:

    Sorry, and you know I have defended you a lot in the past, but the whole Sarah Palin thing is — boring is not the right word — it’s banal.

    Palin has done very well for herself, which I have no problem with at all.

    She drives a whole lot of people crazy.

    The whole left focuses on her like a deer in the gun-sight, but why? I can only guess they consider her a threat.

    People on the right should pay attention to her because she’s extremely popular with a lot of the voters. We can argue why, but she is indeed popular.

    If she was to secure the GOP nomination as President which, I consider extremely unlikely, I probably would vote for her.

    That vote would not be because I particularly like her. The vote would simply be because we have a whole lot of really smart people who have smartly put our nation, the greatest on Earth, into a position of being nothing more than a debtor nation seeking the benevolence of a Communist nation using its Marxist philosophy through slave-labor to undercut free-market principles that benefit the rich and the poor.

    I don’t know if Palin could do better, but I do know she couldn’t do worse, regardless of my misgivings about her bonefides.

    Ag80 (e828a4)

  74. I just realized that I wasted a whole of time, once again, defending Palin.

    Can someone at some point tell me to shut up about her?

    Never mind, I’ll just do it myself.

    Ag80 (e828a4)

  75. I don’t know, Bradley. It’s not just here, in other words.

    Eric Blair (720ce1)

  76. I would argue we can and should set the bar higher.

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  77. Ag80, there is a difference between defending the person and the idea, I guess. I think you are pretty clear.

    Eric Blair (720ce1)

  78. Now that’s funny, Mr. Feet. But carry on.

    Eric Blair (720ce1)

  79. Mr. Ag80 I could be wrong but I think the story of Sarah Palin and her co-optation of the Tea Party is a very very not-banal story.

    I wonder sometimes but that it isn’t the story of how the last best hope of America was sacrificed to one woman’s overweening ambitions.

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  80. happy:

    Or one man’s.

    Does this count against what I said previously? Because, if it does, I swear to happy’s left leg that this is my last post about Palin.

    Unless I change my mind.

    Ag80 (e828a4)

  81. No worries, Ag80. This whole discussion isn’t about Sarah Palin at all, when you think about it. The guy is just frustrated, and he can vent here.

    Eric Blair (720ce1)

  82. Mr. Blair here is what happens when nick dresti and cinema bizarre do a song together

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  83. Too weird, sir. Too weird. Nice mask, as usual. Have a pleasant evening.

    Eric Blair (720ce1)

  84. happy thanksgiving Mr. Blair I have to wake up early it looks like I’m gonna put Mr. daley’s salmon recipe to (hopefully) good use

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  85. feets, if you don’t tink that BB smeared Sarah Palin, you’re not reading the quote…

    “I sat next to her once. She is beautiful. She should stay in Alaska.”

    Her–BB–entire experience was lined up in one sentence, a patronizing comment about her beauty, and of course, BB’s great expertise in Presidential candidates then took over, and she had great points about Palin, right???

    Of course it was a smear. It could not have been anything else. As I said before, BB could have said something neutral, or positive, but, instead, a patronizing comment about her state and her looks….

    And your complaint is that Palin responded in kind….correctly identifying the Bush 41 family as “bluebloods”…..

    PDS, as I said….

    And, your comment about dismissing BB’s comment becxause of who her family was….she was only on that show because of who her family was….and she didn’t have to make a negative comment, did she???

    You are blaming Sarah Palin because someone tried to denegrate her….

    reff (b43ea5)

  86. I don’t think Sarah Palin’s vicious attack on Barbara Bush was warranted. She could have said something neutral, or positive, but what did she do? It’s very revealing.

    She chose to view it as an opportunity.

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  87. Ah, jeez. “Vicious attack?” Why, it’s not anything mild like calling someone a trollop, a tart, or a twat, is it?

    I have been following your exploits on other websites, and it is clear that you feel muzzled there…so you act out here. Just give it a rest, would you?

    Peace, dude. Peace.

    Eric Blair (720ce1)

  88. “happy thanksgiving Mr. Blair I have to wake up early it looks like I’m gonna put Mr. daley’s salmon recipe to (hopefully) good use”

    Happy Palin Family Thanksgiving Mr. Feets!

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  89. And apologies for the language, folks. But that “vicious” business was just plain surreal…given the histrionics that are not a big deal on Planet Happyfeet.

    To be clear: I am no reflexive Palin defender. This is purely about crude name calling and asymmetry instead of reasoned debate and honored differences of opinion.

    Eric Blair (720ce1)

  90. Mr. Blair where in *this* thread have I strayed across the boundaries of decorum? I have not done so. I’ve been on my best behaviour. I should get a cookie.

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  91. I got my turkey thawed, my rutabagas, potatoes, stuffin’, cranberries, water chestnuts, green beans, mushroom soup, punkin pie, etc., etc., ready for fixin tomorrow. Coma tomorrow night.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  92. that sounds very America Mr. daley my favorite part is the turkey sammiches the next day

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  93. Mr. Feets – Hot turkey sammiches wif stuffing and gravy and cranberries!

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  94. yuppers that sounds like a kajillion times better than going to the mall

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  95. http://patterico.com/2010/11/24/%E2%80%9Cit%E2%80%99s-an-amazing-world%E2%80%9D-get-your-chris-christie-fix-right-here/#comment-724822

    Just for one example. And the “in this thread” defense is a little bit sad. You are better than that, I think.

    Listen: most people here think you are charming and funny. Go have a great Thanksgiving. But don’t accuse anyone of being “vicious” with an opponent, given your own history of evocative descriptive language toward others with whom you do not agree. Especially when they might be responding to the idea of a person rather than to them personally, to borrow from your lexicon.

    Again, I don’t want to fight. But there is a whiff of hypocrisy from you on this subject, though I don’t expect you to agree.

    Eric Blair (720ce1)

  96. you have a great thanksgiving too

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  97. Tom Delay is a convicted felon, Happy Thanksgiving.

    ajb (60da26)

  98. Eric & feets & the masqued video collide in my back-brain and a Mexican wrestling match echoes back!

    This is lovely blogging folks, my congratulations to our host: the net that pulls this discourse from the howling maelstrom is well-wrought indeed.

    Happy Thanksgiving!

    phunctor

    phunctor (018bc8)

  99. #

    Yep, because Barbara Bush is the heart of the Republican party.

    Comment by SPQR — 11/24/2010 @ 8:05 pm

    Barbara Bush never claimed to be the heart of anything. She is a former First Lady, a woman of advanced age…who made an off the cuff remark that was seen as something other than mindlessly adoring of Sarah Palin and hence she has to be attacked for it. People were actually telling her to shut up…and now along with her whole family she is being called a blue blood. There is just something really childish and petty about that.

    BTW, I liked Palin when McCain picked her. I thought her speech at the Republican Convention was downright astonishing. I thought she quit her job as Governor to spare her family more trauma. I put her on my silly little facebook…but even I am getting tired of this poor little me I am such a victim stuff from Sarah Palin and her more adoring supporters…and if I am getting tired of it you can count on the fact that a lot of other people are too.

    Terrye (d6aeed)

  100. Terrye

    IT pay real well though..

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  101. Have a safe and joyous thanksgiving

    think of those less fortunate

    we are blessed with problems 90% of the world wishes they had

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  102. I would like to now how many people have stopped reading PP because they are sick and tired over discussions on Palin. Since that number is unknowable, how many would like to have the subject of Sarah Palin barred from discussion until our host thinks there is something worthwhile discussing, (whether you like her or not) raise a hand.

    As I said at #46, there have been discussions where people who support Palin have explained why, and those same people have also concurred that she also has problems, many the same as her main detractors, but not to the same degree.

    I do not agree that to criticize Palin brings reflexive irresponsible support, but ongoing beating of a dead horse about the same things over and over brings relexive rational annoyance. If anything, the real issue is who will give up being annoying or being annoyed first, or who will give up commenting first, or who will not bother to keep reading first.

    Ayers/Obama in 2012 and beyond!!! Viva la Revoluccion, comrade!!!

    MD in Philly (cac12c)

  103. I just think it gets really old how every time a Team R person flashes a little backbone or charisma or doesn’t drool on themselves on tv it immediately becomes incumbent upon us all to begin thinking of them as a potential presidential candidate.

    However, Christie’s done something that so far I’m unaware of anyone accomplishing previously: he’s taken on the most powerful union in the most blue state in the US and not only won the argument, he’s actually made them look like the money – grubbing fools we’ve always known them to be. He’ll play well across the nation, simply because he’s plain – spoken and persuasive and not afraid to poke great fun at himself (unlike our current thin – skinned narcissist).

    And Barbara Bush should have followed her husband’s lead on commenting on politics by keeping her pie hole shut and wishing Palin well, despite her reservations. No one gives a flying crap about what she thinks, and I don’t even care for Palin – but that comment puts the entire problem with the old guard of the GOP in full view: “we don’t like to associate with that kind of people.” They don’t seem to understand that it was just that kind of people who allowed them to take back the house – ingrates, all of them.

    Dmac (498ece)

  104. On the Philly radio waves I’ve heard criticism of Christie from the Conservative side, saying he is not any better on taxes and that he is going forward with a “regional state-run energy cap and tax program” with NY and a few other states. How much truth to it vs a grudge from an opponent in the primary I don’t know.

    Palin was an overwhelmingly popular governor who had defeated both the opposing party and what was seen as the Republican establishment elites and had presided over historic energy related deals, and now she’s a fool and a clown in the eyes of many. Just because Christie has accomplished something (as Palin had) doesn’t mean he will be judged 100% on his abilities. I just know many people will get sick and lose enthusiasm to vote in 2012 if we take turns building up a candidate bigger than life so they can then be “cut down to size” as a fallible human being after all. Even before Palin had been named VP candidate I had heard her named with Jindahl on the short list of “rising stars” among the Repubs. I’m not looking foward to seeing a list of “has been rising stars”

    MD in Philly (cac12c)

  105. Palin was an overwhelmingly popular governor who had defeated both the opposing party and what was seen as the Republican establishment elites and had presided over historic energy related deals, and now she’s a fool and a clown in the eyes of many. Just because Christie has accomplished something (as Palin had) doesn’t mean he will be judged 100% on his abilities. I just know many people will get sick and lose enthusiasm to vote in 2012 if we take turns building up a candidate bigger than life so they can then be “cut down to size” as a fallible human being after all. Even before Palin had been named VP candidate I had heard her named with Jindahl on the short list of “rising stars” among the Repubs. I’m not looking foward to seeing a list of “has been rising stars”

    Comment by MD in Philly — 11/25/2010 @ 8:01 am

    I think Palin lost a lot of her popularity in Alaska when she quit her job as Governor. I do think she is running the risk of being out there too much and spoken of too much. After awhile people get tired of hearing about someone day after day.

    Terrye (7c855d)

  106. “…After awhile people get tired of hearing about someone day after day…”

    Well, not everyone who likes to be negative, anyway.

    But your point is well stated. Except that has been the goal of the MSM, to keep the drumbeat up of negative crazy stuff. That creates in other people a reflexive defense. This all is precisely what the DNC wants to see.

    Me? I’m waiting for the debates. If Palin is as shallow and ill-informed and egotistical as we hear, why, all that will become clear—as she and other candidates debate one another and put forth their opinions on the issues that really matter in this country: security, energy, and economy. The debates need to be genuine debates, not Gwen Ifill style speeches.

    Then we will see. I like what Mitch Daniels says, for example. I’m anxious to hear what Marco Rubio has to say away from the media fluffers. But you and I know that whoever is deemed to be the front runner, two things will happen:

    1. The MSM will try to destroy them using dishonest tactics.

    2. Elements of the Right will decide that the front-runner isn’t “pure enough” to suit them, and will join forces with the MSM to bring them down.

    As always, the perfect is the enemy of the good. And the Right seems confused as to the goal in 2012. That goes for all factions.

    Well, with that, Happy Thanksgiving to all.

    Eric Blair (720ce1)

  107. Eric:

    I have my bird in the oven right now. Pretty soon we will be eating that Thanksgiving dinner.

    I live in Indiana and I like Mitch Daniels too. He is a smart guy.

    I don’t think Palin is dumb or even shallow..I just think there is a lot of grandstanding for the media by all sorts of people where she is concerned.

    As for Barbara Bush, she is an elderly woman known for her blunt and sometimes caustic comments, but I honestly think it would help Sarah Palin if she began to rise above a lot of this stuff.

    Terrye (7c855d)

  108. Compare and contrast leftist outrage over DeLay and Charlie Rangel or Alcee Hastings or Maxine Waters.

    JD (85b089)

  109. Terrye – Happy thanksgiving to a fellow Hoosier-stater.

    May everyone have a wonderful day, free of mendoucheous twatwaffles. I have 2 15 found turkey breasts that need some tending to.

    JD (306f5d)

  110. JD:

    Same to you. I just wish it was prettier day here in Indiana. At 5 am the tornado warnings went off. No big wind, but lots of rain.

    Terrye (7c855d)

  111. The Republican symbol of the culture of corruption, Tom Delay – the guy who says ‘he has God on his side’ – will hopefully receive life in prison.

    Lets be thankful for American justice and those of us that are less fortunate, like JD.

    ajb (60da26)

  112. happyfeet said it earlier, but it bears repeating: why can’t he have his opinion (with its correlate reasons) and Eric Blair can have his opinion (with its correlate reasons), and, barring some change in those opinions, the two can agree to disagree without implying misogyny on the one hand or intellectual fascism on the other?

    Leviticus (3a5ead)

  113. I for one am thankful that hateful, vengeful, screeching nutbags like Amos Jimmy Bob (aka ajb) are not summarily locked up and beheaded for merely expressing their opinions. As for Amos’s awesome prediction of Delay’s sentence, I would refer to prior wish – fulfillments by EJWB regarding frog – marching of people he doesn’t like personally. Poor babies, their hate always blinds their limited cranial capacities.

    Dmac (498ece)

  114. AJB, life in prison for a campaign finance law violation … while Charles Rangel has no punishment at all for cheating on his taxes.

    That’s Democrat mentality for you.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  115. barring some change in those opinions, the two can agree to disagree without implying misogyny on the one hand or intellectual fascism on the other?

    Since I like them both, I think Eric’s point is that feets often refers to women politicos he doesn’t like in misogynistic terminology. When one is prone to make statements like “Hootchie” and others of that ilk, that’s a bit more than just expressing a point of disagreement, and other commenters whom I admire greatly (Dana and Vivian, for starters) tend to agree.

    Dmac (498ece)

  116. Dmac – the idea that any of us are less fortunate than a festering assbooger like ajb or AJB is laughable, no?

    Off to lunch/dinner/turkey coma.

    JD (0d2ffc)

  117. happyfeet said it earlier, but it bears repeating: why can’t he have his opinion (with its correlate reasons) and Eric Blair can have his opinion (with its correlate reasons), and, barring some change in those opinions, the two can agree to disagree without implying misogyny on the one hand or intellectual fascism on the other?

    Comment by Leviticus — 11/25/2010 @ 9:25 am

    As often happens, Leviticus sums up well my feelings about the interactions of the commenters here.

    I am not going to delete happyfeet’s comments due to his Palin opposition. I don’t quite understand why his comments arouse so much hostility. To me, as long as people are being nice to each other, we ought to be able to tolerate each other’s opinions about public figures.

    Nor do I plan to shut down the topic or start censoring Palin posts. As I have said before many times, the O’Donnell thing was a dress rehearsal for Palin’s candidacy. This ain’t going away. I would like us to be show that we here can inhabit a space where people can discuss such disagreements without getting personally ugly when we disagree.

    Happy Thanksgiving.

    Patterico (43506f)

  118. Since I like them both, I think Eric’s point is that feets often refers to women politicos he doesn’t like in misogynistic terminology. When one is prone to make statements like “Hootchie” and others of that ilk, that’s a bit more than just expressing a point of disagreement, and other commenters whom I admire greatly (Dana and Vivian, for starters) tend to agree.

    I hear you — but the more I read him the more I see him as reaching for colorful words to denigrate someone he really really doesn’t like. Check out how he describes Christie some time and you could imagine him to be a guy who hates men. Nah, he just hates Christie.

    Patterico (43506f)

  119. Patterico – I hope you have a nice Thanksgiving sammin!

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  120. And I understand Eric Blair’s point that happyfeet is being personal too — to Palin. But she is a public figure and I can’t lay down a rule that says no personal nastiness to any person even if a public figure.

    To those who counsel hf to be positive: it’s not a bad suggestion. Another positive suggestion for you folks is, if you like Palin, don’t spend your time running down people who don’t and telling them to shut up, and instead give us positive reasons to like Palin. Talk about her accomplishments and admirable characteristics, if positivity is your thing.

    Patterico (43506f)

  121. When one is prone to make statements like “Hootchie” and others of that ilk, that’s a bit more than just expressing a point of disagreement, and other commenters whom I admire greatly (Dana and Vivian, for starters) tend to agree.

    Along with “tundra strumpet” and other totally uncalled-for insults.

    That nastiness aside, everyone have the greatest of Turkey Days!

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (152734)

  122. #

    When one is prone to make statements like “Hootchie” and others of that ilk, that’s a bit more than just expressing a point of disagreement, and other commenters whom I admire greatly (Dana and Vivian, for starters) tend to agree.

    Along with “tundra strumpet” and other totally uncalled-for insults.

    That nastiness aside, everyone have the greatest of Turkey Days!

    Comment by Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. — 11/25/2010 @ 10:10 am

    I am not a huge fan of Hillary Clinton’s, but I have heard plenty of nasty, hostile, personal remarks made about her by conservatives…and if and when anyone said that these remarks were sexist the usual response was that Hillary and her supporters were playing the feminist card.

    And Barbara Bush is a woman too, an 85 year old woman. So why not just let this slide?

    And so what if Christie is not a fan of Palin’s? That is his business, why should people make it an issue?

    Terrye (2e6779)

  123. RINO.

    Leviticus (3a5ead)

  124. Christie is an excellent Gov of NJ, and Palin is an excellent ex Gov of AL, positions that they should stay in. The ranting robusto Castle luvin Christie and the Tundra Tart are not the answer, and if they are, someone asked a bad question.

    Happy thanksgiving!!!!!!!!

    JD (109425)

  125. Racist

    Patterico (43506f)

  126. Christie is an excellent Gov of NJ, and Palin is an excellent ex Gov of AL, positions that they should stay in. The ranting robusto Castle luvin Christie and the Tundra Tart are not the answer, and if they are, someone asked a bad question.

    How about “Who shouldn’t run for president in 2012?”

    Patterico (43506f)

  127. “How about “Who shouldn’t run for president in 2012?””

    Pwned!

    Machinist (74634b)

  128. Candy azzd pragmatists.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  129. Obama in 2012. President Feingold or Schumer in 2016.

    ajb (60da26)

  130. ajb, that’s great comedy.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  131. If I get the time and inclination, Patterico and Leviticus, I will be happy to document where Palin supporters, such as I myself, have eagerly agreed to some of her shortcomings, and where we have done so in good faith and without ill will.

    I would also be able to show you where happy has repeatedly refused to acknowledge reasonable points and has persisted in crude and vulgar attacks that take the place of reasoned debate, while we have acknowledged as valid many of the points hf has raised.

    I have appealed for intervention because quite frankly, I’m not going to resort to a fire-fighting-fire equal treatment of every other potential candidate until everyone gets sick of it just to make my point. I feel a little bit like the kid on the playground complaining about the bully and being told to “ignore him”. Ok, so I put up with the bullying or give him a dose of his own medicine and get everyone upset; except I refuse to use the kind of language that I would discipline my children for.

    But I hope to avoid finding the time and inclination to present my case, because I think the case has been made repeatedly already, and I have better things to do than trying to convince others that crude, ill-mannered, lack-of-good-will BS should be entertained as acceptible speech.

    MD in Philly (cac12c)

  132. As I have said before many times, the O’Donnell thing was a dress rehearsal for Palin’s candidacy. This ain’t going away. I would like us to be show that we here can inhabit a space where people can discuss such disagreements without getting personally ugly when we disagree
    Comment by Patterico

    When you say, “The O’Donnell thing”, are you talking about Republican on Republican sniping?

    I think we are showing even now that we cannot have a disagreement without getting personally ugly-
    as far as I am concerned, hf is saying that I’m such an ignorant dumb-a** that I can’t help but support Alaskan trailor trash, and you’re saying that if I don’t like being told I support trailor trash then I can leave. Continue on, as you were, its your blog.

    MD in Philly (cac12c)

  133. MD in Philly

    I always took Happyfeets colorful verbage as an indication of Palins use of her sex for advancement rather than her quals.

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  134. MD,

    I don’t think Patterico is saying that, because I don’t think happyfeet is saying that.

    hf is saying that he has a low opinion of Palin’s qualifications and candidacy, not that he has a low opinion of the intelligence of anyone who supports her. And Patterico is saying that hf is entitled to a low opinion of Palin’s qualifications (including intelligence), even though he doesn’t necessarily disagree with the assessment.

    I think it would probably be advisable, for the sake of unity, for hf to refrain from calling Palin any of these names that people find so offensive – but past that, why can’t you guys just agree to disagree on the subject?

    Why is Palin (and a Palin candidacy) being turned into this sacrosanct topic in intra-conservative discourse?

    Leviticus (3a5ead)

  135. there’s nothing I’ve said about that dippy woman what holds a candle to the hyperbole expressed by the multitudes who deemed her decision to bail on her governorship “brilliant”

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  136. “I always took Happyfeets colorful verbage as an indication of Palins use of her sex for advancement rather than her quals.”

    – EricPWJohnson

    Like it or not, there’s some validity to that, reinforced every time a bunch of conservative men start slavering over some picture of a gussied-up Palin sporting a hunting rifle or a home defense shotgun.

    Don’t deny it, gents – there’s a grain of truth in the criticism.

    Leviticus (3a5ead)

  137. “If I get the time and inclination, Patterico and Leviticus, I will be happy to document where Palin supporters, such as I myself, have eagerly agreed to some of her shortcomings, and where we have done so in good faith and without ill will.

    I would also be able to show you where happy has repeatedly refused to acknowledge reasonable points and has persisted in crude and vulgar attacks that take the place of reasoned debate, while we have acknowledged as valid many of the points hf has raised.”

    – MD in Philly

    That is true, though. You are right, in that regard – but it is what it is, at some level. I wouldn’t call Palin a hoochie or a cooze, but… it’s water under the bridge, man. Who cares? It’s not setting a precedent of disrespecting women, in any meaningful way – it’s setting a precedent of disrespecting unsavory politicians. I’m okay with that precedent, and so are most people here.

    Leviticus (3a5ead)

  138. Well I think she was naive about the uses that the ethics code, could be used for, by an unethical faction, like the oligarchy that Murkowski represents; she wanted transparency, somewhat like
    the Disclose Act. I think supporting Prop. 8, and 4 in my state, was a mistake, because of the hatred it earned her, which I’ve cited before, and the fact that it ran against the tenor of which she governs.
    She’s a paradox, something our pikachu doesn’t quite get, is she’s not that really much of a public Christian, she named her youngest after Van Halen in part, keep the bars open in her city, late into the night. Yet she follows her pastor Theron Horne, (mentioned in Mansfield’s profile,) that evangelicals should serve in the world, yet not of it.

    narciso (82637e)

  139. “there’s nothing I’ve said about that dippy woman what holds a candle to the hyperbole expressed by the multitudes who deemed her decision to bail on her governorship “brilliant””

    Mr. Feets – I would like to see some links to such folks when you have a moment.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  140. Daley- it seems that feets has the blessing to say whatever he wants and those of us who don’t like it need to put up with it. I’m tired of trying to challenge him point by point as you are valiantly doing here. As long as his underlying attitude is applauded and protected I know he can post obnoxious claims more often than I can challenege him. Best wishes to you.

    MD in Philly (cac12c)

  141. Actually as a very auxiliary member of the C4p, there was a discussion in the spring of that year, about what her options going forward should be, I insisted that she needed to run again and win as Governor, up until the point the legal defense fund was turned down as a violation of the ethics code!, for protecting her from violations of the ethics code.

    It was a hard trade off, she sincerely wanted to finish the term, for the AGIA line, to preserve the ACES tax reform, and other elements. Parnell is an inperfect successor, and Campbell, his choice of VP, well we’ve seen what he’s made of in recent days. Then again like an Ion Cannon, she kept all the attacks from falling on him.

    narciso (82637e)

  142. I don’t really care what Happyfeet’s opinions of Sarah Palin are. What does bother me is the unnecessarily offensive terms he uses that have nothing to do with his issues with her. Would any commenter be allowed to refer to Obama using racial slurs, even if the commenter’a issue had to do with Obama’s racism? Would any commenter be allowed to refer to Barney Frank using an ugly slur relating to his orientation?

    Are women really not entitled to as much respect as African Americans or homosexuals? If Happyfeet uses a name relating to his complaint with her as a leader then one could say he is just crudely voicing his opinion but he does not seem to be using words that relate to his issues so much as words that degrade women. This is what is offensive about it to me.

    That is just my opinion. He seems to be within the standards required. So be it, but it’s not a free speech issue, I think.

    Machinist (74634b)

  143. MD,

    What disagreement would you have with happyfeet if it weren’t for his dislike and disrespect of Sarah Palin?

    Leviticus (3a5ead)

  144. Coulter thinks Palin’s resignation was a brilliant move: ‘She is too big for the position now’*

    Mary Matlin: Palin’s Resignation May Have Been Brilliant*

    Peter Ferrara: Sarah Palin’s resignation as Governor of Alaska is a brilliant liberating move for her career, and a potential turning point for the national conservative movement.*

    here’s 3 notable ones and there’s many many more where those came from Mr. daley

    me I don’t think it was “brilliant” I think it was “opportunistic” and “disingenuous”

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  145. Yes, it’s the Kobayashi Maru maneuver, those that think in only two dimensions, without considering
    other externalities never get this. In ’48 the GOP squandered the energy of the previous wave by nominating Dewey, the man who dared to be beige.
    In ’96, we ended up with Dole, a decent man, but still beholden to the beltway shibboleths

    narciso (82637e)

  146. When asked about 2012 election strategy, Republican strategist Alex Castellanos said:

    “Every night President Obama goes to bed and prays that Sarah Palin will run for president.”

    That is Obama’s best hope for reelection.

    Thank you for promoting Sarah Palin.

    ajb (60da26)

  147. Palin – according to Fox News

    Palin in 2012!!!!!!!

    Fox News (60da26)

  148. Even on Thanksgiving, ajb and yelverton’s lives are so sad and incomplete that they resort to being douche nozzle trolls rather than celebrating with friends an family.

    JD (347174)

  149. That from an ajb that promotes Chuck Schumer for 2016.

    Comedy gold.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  150. I would beg for Schumer and Feingold. Literally beg. That would be beyond my wildest hopes for the Dems to continue their efforts at self mutilation.

    JD (347174)

  151. Mr. Feets – Perhaps Mr. Obama should try the same strategy himself in running for a second term given how brilliant it was?

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  152. America is not thankful that bumble is president cause of he hates jobs and he spends like a foo.

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  153. MD in Philly:

    There is a script Stashiu developed you can use to ignore commenters.

    Beyond that I really have few suggestions. I try to have few rules and usually interject when people are personally nasty.

    happyfeet is asking for some pushback when he uses a word like “twat” to refer to a woman. I confess I don’t take it as seriously as some of you because of his cutesy style which makes it hard to take him too seriously in my view.

    It seems though that some (not MD in Philly and not the regulars for the most part) are just upset to see Palin criticized. I myself was told by resident asshole narciso/Ian cormac/etc. that I was trying to defeat Sarah Palin in 2012 by uttering a few words of criticism before she even announced.

    The way to blog hits is to support Palin no matter what!!!!! That means shutting down critics like happyfeet and defending her on every issue. I think it’s fair to ask hf to be mindful of those offended by certain terms, but not to start deleting his comments because they are critical of Palin. If they’re too much for you to bear, contact me about the TrollHammer. I don’t know the details but I can try to contact Stashiu who does.

    Patterico (81c60e)

  154. Daley- it seems that feets has the blessing to say whatever he wants and those of us who don’t like it need to put up with it. I’m tired of trying to challenge him point by point as you are valiantly doing here. As long as his underlying attitude is applauded and protected I know he can post obnoxious claims more often than I can challenege him. Best wishes to you.

    I’m not sure what you mean by “applauded.” I will not delete his comments and ask people to try to attack his arguments and not him personally.

    For example:

    Attacking the argument: “happyfeet, I am offended by the term you used and it makes your statement sound sexist.”

    Attacking the person: “happyfeet, you are a sexist.”

    This distinction escaped certain self-appointed language experts when I criticized a racist RS McCain statement while saying I was not labeling him a racist. But there is a difference and I ask people to try to observe it, at least with the good people.

    Feel free to call the assholes assholes. I don’t put happy in that category though.

    Can’t we all get along?

    Patterico (81c60e)

  155. Christie has been in office for just short a year, I grew up in Jersey in the 70s, so I appreciate what he’s done to flush out the Augean Stables, there, but he’s faltered on at leasy two issues, forcing Schundler out, specially since it would seem the entrenched Education bureaucrats were likely responsible, if he does hire Michelle Rhee it will partly ameliorate that loss. And the whole matter on the dangerous Salafi influences that the GZ Mosque represents, yes you could consider cap n trade, as a third item, but i’ll give him that, nobody in the Northeast seems to consider that to be wrong, why would he be any different.

    Now as for his slight, well it mostly shows his
    ignorance of the many issues she has been tackling, in the last year and a half, that were
    responsible for this wave we experienced earlier
    this month

    narciso (82637e)

  156. Sometimes I wonder why I ever say anything about the comments. It almost always get misconstrued and rarely improves anything.

    I’m simply trying to remove nastiness. I’m not taking sides.

    Patterico (81c60e)

  157. Now as for his slight, well it mostly shows his
    ignorance of the many issues she has been tackling, in the last year and a half, that were
    responsible for this wave we experienced earlier
    this month

    You’re giving her far too much credit. Beyond giving a select number of Tea Party candidates some extra oomph (and not all of those worked out–no need to name names), she only did stuff that a lot of others, like Michelle Malkin and Rush Limbaugh, were doing–and were often doing better than she did.

    Besides, if any single person deserves credit for the resurgence of the political Right, it’s Barack Obama.

    kishnevi (1b86f1)

  158. From attacking the stimulus, even challenging it to be vetoed snd starting over, to the first real critique of the impact of the GM management purge, (which Romney supported)to missile defense to insisting on domestic production when it seemed
    untenable

    narciso (82637e)

  159. Here is the Patterico ignore code, which came from Milhouse.

    DRJ (d43dcd)

  160. ian – I’m not sure why you’re dwelling on Schundler’s ouster. He’s gone and Christie seems no worse for his absence.

    His position on the GZM and regional cap and trade are more troubling to me. My read was he had not thought out his original answer to the GZM. He also has a decent size muslim population in NJ to appease, so he’s got that going for him, which is not good. I have not followed any subsequent comments of his on the subject if he has made any.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  161. I’ve spent a chunk of the day reading the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights Interim Report on the New Black Panther Party case. Barky and Holder are not going to be pleased.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  162. I hope you will educate us, daley, because I don’t want to spend a day reading that report.

    DRJ (d43dcd)

  163. DRJ – I had a lot of distractions.

    There was some new stuff to me but most I think had already been out on the Commission’s website (usccr.gov). Stonewalling, coverup, bias toward unequal enforcement of the law with respect to race within the Department of Social Justice.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  164. Racist

    JD (dc90b5)

  165. Gob nobbler

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  166. Some of the stuff I’m hearing about Christie’s lack of conservative bona fides is the same kind that Guiliani had to deal with – does anyone think that a GOP candidate for New Frickin Jersey would be some kind of purebred straight – line guy? No, of course not. Again, the perfect is the enemy of the good – nonsensical.

    Dmac (498ece)

  167. Heretic

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  168. No, I was for Guiliani, despite some difference of opinion, Guiliani wouldn’t make that kind of mistake
    on a matter like the GZ Mosque if it happened in his neck of the woods

    narciso (9d0688)

  169. narciso – Giuliani came out strongly against the GZM.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  170. Thank you, DRJ, thank you, Milhouse.

    FWIW, I’ll try to clarify the intended point at #46 and #107, in context of Dmac’s post at #170.

    Nothing I said, (nor anything that narciso said, IMO) was meant to imply that Christie would not be a good candidate. My plea was that people not fall over themselves joining a “Cult of Christie” as has been accused of those who think Palin is not the worst thing to happen to Republican Party since 2,000 BC.

    “Christie Fix”- what does that imply? That you’re hooked and can’t get enough. My point, again, was not that Christie wouldn’t be a good candidate, nor that he was “not conservative enough”, but that he simply wasn’t perfect and the end-all be-all and please do him, yourselves, and all of us a favor by not portraying him as the “perfect candidate of the month” just so he can get knocked off of that pedestal.

    FWIW, for good or ill, good idea or bad, I could easily have voted for Guiliani, even though pro-life is a central important point for me, because I trusted him when he said that he would not advocate for a pro-choice agenda as part of his presidency, and that the kind of supreme court justices he would pick would be the kind that would appeal to conservatives.

    Now, Dmac, if you’re irritated at what has been said here about Christie, then tell me how you would feel if feets kept harping on his point in #11, if he repeatedly commented on whether Christie had been caught drooling on himself today (but in much more “poetic” language) and was still in the running for the nomination, but that he better eat more sammin and lay off the pasta or he’ll roll right off the speaker’s platform; that he needs to work on his diction and get comfortable in over-alls if he’s going to campaign in Iowa, etc., etc. but more mean-spirited and crude. It would get old pretty quick, wouldn’t it?

    And it will get really, really old if we continue this process on every potential candidate.

    MD in Philly (cac12c)

  171. MD, if you read the earlier posts here you’ll find that I’ve been more than aware of feet’s comments regarding candidates he doesn’t care for – and my opinon is that he could tone it down for the good of all. How you missed that is beyond me.

    Dmac (498ece)

  172. BTW, what do you think I meant by using the phrase “the perfect is the enemy of the good?” Shall I expound on that further? I thought it was more than self – explanatory. Sheesh.

    Dmac (498ece)

  173. Dmac-

    My apologies for the frustration caused in referring to your post. It was not intended to be caustic to you. Yes, I know you’ve asked hf to tone it down, and yes, I know what the “perfect being the enemy of the good means”.

    I’m frustrated with the acceptance of hf’s harping on Palin. My intention was to broaden sensitivity of all to what it will look like if we all decided to emulate hf on every candidate.

    My original point had been to dissuade all from the habit of trying to advocate for the perfect candidate, in this case those who just can’t get enough of Christie, because the more someone is put on a narrow pedestal the easier it is to knock them over.

    I’ll try to let this be my last comment in reference to hf or any related theme.

    MD in Philly (cac12c)

  174. MD, I think that there are lots and lots of readers here who feel the way you do (and I do). But they don’t post about it.

    And Patterico is right: no matter what he does when concerns like this come up, he gets some criticism in response (I am referring to his post about it, not to your post). It can appreciate his frustration.

    The take home lesson: first and foremost, it’s not our blog. We don’t get to make the rules. And we don’t have to read or post here. I do think that everyone has a right to express themselves, but some of the sexist language in particular irritates me. Still, again, it really isn’t “my house.”

    I know that the constant vulgarities get to me. But what to do about it? I can urge people to be less vulgar, but then someone could call me “fascist” or “hall monitor” or “sensitive.” Fact is, the vulgarities and nastiness aren’t a big deal to most of the other posters. I think that such an approach helps the Dems, but that is me.

    So I have to learn to ignore that kind of thing, if I am going to read and post here.

    Eric Blair (9571f6)

  175. Badge Licking Authoritarians

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  176. I finally started skimming comments when the topic seemed to be Palin and not Christie. I’m glad to see it finally got back on track. The Palin obsession seems to be coming from one commenter and I skip his comments when I see them. I was cooking yesterday so didn’t look in.

    The Republican nomination is going to be interesting and a lot will depend on whether the GOP Congress can get the economy moving as they did in 1995. The deluge of regulations coming from Obama will make it harder and his re-election chances will depend on the economy. If he trashes it sufficiently with regulations, the Congress may not be able to get much going.

    Ironically, they are his best hope and he is doing what he can to frustrate them.

    Mike K (568408)

  177. MD – thanks for clearing that up – point taken.

    Dmac (498ece)

  178. Thank you Dmac and Eric

    MD in Philly (cac12c)

  179. As a rational thinking, True Conservative, Classical Liberal, I demand ideological purity in my political candidates, except when I don’t. Yeah, that’s right, I’m not a slave to it. What does that make me? See if you can figure it out, bitches.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  180. does anyone think that a GOP candidate for New Frickin Jersey [Castle? DeeDee? Delaware? NY23?] would be some kind of purebred straight – line guy? No, of course not. Again, the perfect is the enemy of the good – nonsensical.

    Comment by Dmac — 11/25/2010 @ 8:40 pm

    Heretic

    Comment by daleyrocks — 11/25/2010 @

    I wonder if I’m vindicated :)

    Just to Clarify somethings – as many feel that I support moderate candidates – thats true but for practical reasons not purity reasons

    I’m extremely conserative, when I ran for school board it was to have a two to three mile run everyday for gym, with first aid and swimming including lifeguard – every Texas graduate from Klie would have their Red Cross Life Saving and First Aid certs – instead of how to have sex classes. Further math every semester and science every year. And many other reforms – old school.

    But when I support people like DeeDee its because a democrats going to win.

    The Reason I’m shutting down (trying to anyway) the Palin express is that she isnt conservative (now she is cause it pays real real well) and she has poor judgement and attitudes towards business which means towards America.

    People who support her are in fact enabling her in my opinion. The facts are there I posted the official reports of her spending and whatever the outcome is she taxes more in two years the lifeblood of America than almost in the past 10 years in Alaska and instead of spending it or retiring debt – to gain popularity – she increased the largess by nearly doubling the payments to every single Alaskan. (its remarkably easy to get record approval ratings when you give people an extra thou)

    So when Pat asked people to say positive things – where are they? All I heard is that’s – she’s conservative and using the New Tea Party Goalpost of conservativism = reduced spending – Palin comes off closer to Obama – using that yardstick

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  181. So when Pat asked people to say positive things – where are they?

    They’ve been said many times before, and at the moment I’m not going to bother repeating them.

    MD in Philly (cac12c)

  182. EricPW – Pardon me, but you never bothered to explain the rationale for the increases in taxes on the oil companies in Alaska, just denounced them as bad. Are they higher or lower than taxes in other states, all in, or comparable?

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  183. MD

    I think I am some others are looking for objective rather than subjective. Like, she cut spending, or she cut wasteful projects, or she reduced taxes – something quantative

    BEcause, all I’m finding is just the opposite of everything she says – she icreased her budgets 20% a year – and spent it

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  184. Daley

    I explained them yes they are so high that the oil companies are slowing down and reducing Alaska as a place for future exploration and furthermore are right now replacing the production in Alaska to do what they did in Louisiana – shut it down

    What Palin did in Alaska was similar to this scenario

    You buy a home at a fixed rate mortgage. After 15 years the mortgage company says hey – its no fair, you make more now so you can afford to pay double the mortgage payments for the same equity

    So there you have it

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  185. “I explained them yes they are so high that the oil companies are slowing down and reducing Alaska as a place for future exploration”

    EricPW – What unexplored areas in Alaska are currently open for exploration? I don’t think you explained what you think you explained.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  186. “After 15 years the mortgage company says hey – its no fair, you make more now so you can afford to pay double the mortgage payments for the same equity”

    EricPW – I do not accept your analogy. If you bribed the loan officer into a below market loan initially would be closer to reality.

    Are the taxes higher or lower than other states? You have no idea and are just shooting from the hip, aren’t you?

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  187. EPWJ, in case you didn’t know already, daleyrocks has more than a passing familiarity with numbers, so you better bring your “A” game in discussions such as these.

    Dmac (498ece)

  188. the sammins were successful Mr. daley! Very delicious fishes. The rice I kinda maybe didn’t get exactly right cause of I couldn’t find “creamed coconut” at Ralph’s so I just cooked it in heavy coconut milk and it was tasty but I don’t think it was what I was shooting for.

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  189. Dmac – Thanks, but no need to mention.

    Mr. Feets – Good to know. Booze aisles often have creamed coconut what you put it umbrella drinks.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  190. ohhhh. I should have thunkered of that.

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  191. EricPW – Here is link from the Wall Street Journal which not surprisingly describes Palin’s change in taxes for oil companies much differently than you have in your comments.

    Palin’s final budget as governor was also lower than that of her predecessor, Murkowski. It’s amazing where those supposed increases go when you don’t understand them – items like $1 billion contributions to the Constitutional Reserve Fund because the funds were available, or huge contributions to underfunded public sector pension plans which Palin inherited and began fixing.

    As with your Bridge to Nowhere meme, you seem to be vomiting discredited talking points with no analysis or thought. You keep claiming to be better than this.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  192. It depends on his level of self-medication.

    AD-RtR/OS! (7ae1ad)

  193. Thanks daley for weighing in with the details.

    MD in Philly (cac12c)

  194. Daley

    First that was a commentary, Palin passed the 22.5% tax as she recommended as part of the Murkowski administration and she didnt repeal it as Governor

    Please provide a link to where the budget and the SPENDING the SPENDING that was lower than Murkowski’s budget

    Only Pawlenty ever spent less than his predecessor in recent times

    Editorials from LLC investment counselors are not financial articles, they are editorials

    I have linked the spending reports they are clear

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  195. Daleyrocks – the crazy one has his talking points and canards, and will not be deterred.

    JD (eb5afc)

  196. “First that was a commentary, Palin passed the 22.5% tax as she recommended as part of the Murkowski administration and she didnt repeal it as Governor”

    “Editorials from LLC investment counselors are not financial articles, they are editorials”

    EricPW – What does the above mean with respect to your twisted explanation of the tax? Please clarify?

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  197. “I have linked the spending reports they are clear”

    EricPW – You provided links and single numbers in another thread. I have no recollection what the links were to and I had difficulty matching your single numbers to any recognizable figures.

    Repost your links so I can figure out what you are looking at, operating budgets, capital budgets, proposed, revised, enacted or actual.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  198. The total expenditures charged against General Fund appropriations during FY 08 amounted to

    $7.8 billion, an increase of $1.1 billion from FY 07. This increase is mainly attributable the Department
    of Administration for the on-behalf payment to the pension funds for employer relief, and the Department
    of Revenue for the permanent fund dividend payment. These expenditures by department are compared
    with the prior year in the following table:

    http://fin.admin.state.ak.us/dof/financial_reports/resource/08cafr.pdf

    On Page “v”

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  199. The total expenditures charged against General Fund appropriations during FY 09 amounted to
    $9.5 billion, an increase of $1.7 billion from FY 08. This increase is mainly attributable to the
    Department of Revenue for the permanent fund dividend payment plus the Alaska Resource Rebate. The
    Alaska Permanent Fund Dividend paid in FY 09 was $2,069/resident, a historic high, which accounted for
    $286.8 million of the increase. Each Alaskan resident also received $1,200 in an Alaska Resource Rebate
    in FY 09, which resulted in an expenditure increase of $738.8 million. Expenditures by department are
    compared with the prior year in the following table:

    http://fin.admin.state.ak.us/dof/financial_reports/resource/09cafr.pdf

    same page “v”

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  200. Compare and contrast – Look this is what I think

    Corporate taxes are really income taxes – they are directly passed on to the consumer (same for taxes on the wealthy beause wealthy people own businesses)

    To whit Here is Texas:

    Texas Severance Tax Incentives: Past and Present
    The reduction or elimination of state severance taxes provides an economic incentive to operators to undertake activities that produce oil and gas resources that otherwise might remain unrecovered. Texas recognized back in the late 1980’s that incentives to increase the state’s oil and gas production were extremely valuable. Economic studies have shown that for each dollar invested in the oil and gas industry and for each dollar of production, there is a positive effect on the state’s economy. Prior to the oil and gas bust that began in the mid-1980s, the oil and gas sector was among the strongest in the Texas economy. In the late-1980s and early 1990s, the poor health of the industry was reflected in the poor health of the state’s economy. The incentive programs are targeted to help strengthen the economy by encouraging investment in exploration and production and to maximize responsible development and efficient recovery of the state’s valuable natural resources.

    By providing exemptions from or reductions of the severance tax on oil and gas production, these incentive programs in effect lower the cost of production. For marginal operations, in particular, these incentives might mean the difference between shutting in a well, keeping a well in production, or bringing a well back into production. For others, the incentives are factored into decisions of drilling or not drilling a well, initiating an enhanced recovery project, or servicing a well to increase its production.

    Texas incentive programs have been so successful that other states have used them as models. Severance tax incentives continue to be needed in the future to encourage production and expansion of oil and gas operations, and sustain a vital segment of the state’s economy.

    The baseline Texas severance tax on oil and gas is:

    •Gas severance tax = 7.5% of market value of gas produced and saved
    •Oil severance tax = 4.6% of market value of oil produced
    •Condensate tax = 4.6% of market value

    http://www.rrc.state.tx.us/programs/og/severancetax.php

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  201. Annnnd Gov Palin from the Source many CPA’s subscribe to (its 25%)

    CCH (cch.taxgroup.com) reports:

    Alaska Governor Sarah Palin signed legislation revising the petroleum profits tax (PPT) on December 19. As previously reported, the Legislature passed the bill, entitled Alaska’s Clear and Equitable Share (ACES), on November 16, the final day of the special session called by the governor to address oil taxation. (TAXDAY, 2007/11/20, S.1) The general effective date of the legislation is December 20, 2007, but many provisions apply retroactively.
    The base tax rate is increased from 22.5% to 25% of the annual production tax value of taxable oil and gas. When a producer’s average monthly production tax value per BTU equivalent barrel of taxable oil and gas is between $30 and $92.50, an additional tax of 0.4% is imposed on the difference between the average monthly production tax value and $30. Formerly, the additional tax was 0.25%. When a producer’s average monthly production tax value exceeds $92.50, the additional tax is 0.1% of the difference between the monthly production tax value and $92.50. The new tax rates are effective July 1, 2007.
    Credits allowed for qualified exploration expenditures are increased from 20% to 30%. In addition, the law is amended to provide that exploration credits may not be taken for costs associated with repairs and replacements, fraud, negligence, or violations of law, including the federal Clean Water Act. These provisions are effective July 1, 2008.
    Another amendment provides that a producer or explorer may elect to take a credit of 25% (formerly, 20%) of a carried-forward annual loss. “Carried-forward annual loss” is the amount of the producer’s or explorer’s adjusted lease expenditures that were not deductible in the calendar year in which they were incurred because their deduction would have caused a production tax value less than zero. A statutory amendment provides that only the amount of adjusted lease expenditures remaining after the specified accounting procedure may be used to establish a carried-forward annual loss. These provisions are effective July 1, 2007.
    A new provision allows a credit of 5% of an eligible expenditure for seismic exploration performed before July 1, 2003, provided the claim is filed before January 1, 2016. This provision takes effect July 1, 2008.
    Effective April 1, 2006, the law is amended to provide that deductible lease expenditures do not include costs arising from violations of law or failure to comply with an obligation under a lease, permit, or license issued by the state or federal government. Lease expenditures also do not include costs incurred for repair, replacement, or deferred maintenance of a facility, pipeline, or other equipment, other than a well, that is related to a failure or event that results in disruption of oil and gas production. Similarly, lease expenditures do not include repair costs related to an unpermitted release of a hazardous substance or gas.
    Effective July 1, 2007, lease expenditures generally do not include costs associated with construction, acquisition, or operation of a refinery or crude oil topping plant, nor do they include costs of lobbying and public relations.
    Reporting requirements applicable to producers are amended to require additional information, and a new penalty of up to $1,000 per day may be imposed for each day a person fails to file a report at the time required. These provisions are effective December 20, 2007.
    The Department of Revenue has issued an advisory bulletin regarding Sec. 71 of the legislation, which requires taxpayers to pay any additional production taxes arising from the retroactive application of certain provisions before April 1, 2008. The Department states that it believes the intended due date for those additional production taxes is March 31, 2008, and interest will not be owed if the taxes are paid by that date.
    Subscribers to CCH Tax Research NetWork can view the legislation.
    H.B. 2001, Laws 2007, Second Special Session, effective as noted; Advisory Bulletin, Alaska Department of Revenue, December 20, 2007.

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  202. Here’s a current affairs multiple choice question that is dirt simple:

    For the second quarter of 2008, two highly pertinent financial figures reported by ExxonMobil were its net income (as calculated according to U.S. GAAP, i.e., generally accepted accounting principles) and the taxes it paid.

    Which of the following statements is true?

    1.ExxonMobile’s net income was $32.4 billion. It paid income taxes and other taxes totaling $11.7 billion.

    2.ExxonMobil’s net income was $11.7 billion. It paid income taxes and other taxes totaling $32.4 billion.

    FRom Beldar’s Blog

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  203. Nothing is cooler than a wall o’ copypasta text about something only tangentially related to the topic.

    JD (6e25b4)

  204. Did Alaska run a deficit those years?

    If not, this sounds like excess revenue being returned to the tax payers. Is that really “spending”?

    Sorry f the questions are answered in the links but they both locked up my computer when I tried to open them.

    Machinist (74634b)

  205. JD,

    sorry, I was having a conversation with Daley and he was wanting specifics, respectfully, so I was trying to show him where exactly I am coming from and I am sorry, but since this thread was old I didnt think anyone would mind…

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  206. Machinist,

    Is it fair to take money from consumers in California, to give Alaskans a 1,200 dollar check?

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  207. Corporate taxes are not income taxes. The consumer has a choice of rather to pay it, and the chain following adds a profit margin onto the taxes as it increases their cost, so less of the tax paid by the end user goes to the intended purpose.

    Machinist (74634b)

  208. Compare and contrast this with

    A pro Business agenda

    Cutting spending (once you give people free money arn’t they going to expect that 1,200 dollar check every year?)

    And Alaskans didnt pay that tax

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  209. MAchinist,

    Everyone uses oil, companies, and consumers – this tax was paid by everyone except alaska

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  210. How does Alaska’s budget dispose of California’s money. I thought you were talking about Palin increasing Alaska’s spending.

    Machinist (74634b)

  211. Machinist,

    California is the main user of Alaskans oil – it is direct spending to tax more and then spend it

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  212. Most people can heavily influence how much oil they use when economics makes it worth while.

    Machinist (74634b)

  213. Machinist – it has a habit of making up new and interesting metrics.

    JD (0d2ffc)

  214. It would be like saying Los Vegans pay for the Hotel and occupancy tax

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  215. JD,

    What new and interesting metrics I am talking about? Please share your thoughts?

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  216. Is funding the pension plan obligations discretionary spending?

    If there was excess revenue in the state’s budget, is returning it to the citizens of Alaska spending it? Did Alaska run a deficit?

    Machinist (74634b)

  217. epwj…you forget that quite a bit of North-Slope oil is shipped to Japan, in exchange for Mexican Oil that Japan pays for that enters the U.S. in pipelines into TX. It saves the Japanese the ocean shipping costs from Mexico.

    AD-RtR/OS! (e2c6d2)

  218. I don’t understand how California has a claim on Alaska’s revenue.

    Can’t California develop it’s own oil resources if it thinks Alaska’s is too expensive? California’s high gas prices are because of California’s special mandates, not Alaska’s tax arrangements with the oil companies.

    Does every state have a right to intrude on another state’s revenues if their taxpayers buy products from that state? I have never heard of this before.

    Machinist (74634b)

  219. AD not anymore to answer your question..

    From the Department of Energy

    Question: How much oil is produced in Alaska and where does it go?
    ——————————————————————————–

    Alaska’s crude oil production peaked in 1988 at about 738 million barrels, which was equal to about 25% of total U.S. oil production. In 2009, it was about 236 million barrels, or about 14% of total U.S. production.

    Since the Trans-Alaska Pipeline System from the North Slope of Alaska was finished 1977, about 96% of total Alaskan production has come from the North Slope. The rest comes from Southern Alaska.

    Most Alaskan oil has gone to refineries in Alaska, California, Hawaii, and Washington. Relatively small amounts were shipped to Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and foreign countries.

    Export of oil transported in the Trans-Alaska Pipeline System was banned until 1996. Between 1996 and 2004, a total of about 95.49 million barrels of crude oil, equal to 2.7% of Alaskan production during that period, was exported to foreign countries. As of September 2009, no Alaskan oil has been exported since 2004.

    http://www.eia.doe.gov/ask/crudeoil_faqs.asp

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  220. Machinist

    Oklahoma, Kansas and Nebrasta grow alot of grains, add in the dakotas a bunch. What if they taxed grains 25% per pound produced?

    Do thes states which equal less than 10% of the population have a “right” to tax the rest – excessively? Putting beef, poultry, gasoline, cereals and breads to higher prices?

    And – I guess my point here is that this Palin person is supposed to be pro business

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  221. MAchinist

    Pension plans do not have to be funded – they are just largess spending at the very worst

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  222. So all states should just solve their budget shortages by defaulting on their pension funds or kicking it to the next generation?

    Did Alaska run a deficit those years? Was this excess revenue?

    Machinist (74634b)

  223. My point is

    Palin claimed Murkowski negotiated behind closed doors a 22.5% PPT or severance tax

    Then she raised the tax – while eliminated most of the credits, – to 25%

    When you have an industry that is a third of the size it was 25 years ago, is it smart to increase their strugling burden or to let go of their throats as long as keep employing alaskans?

    This is the kind of thought decision matrix that Obama has towards the rich (which is business in proxy) , well to me anyway

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  224. Machinist

    Yep, they will Europe is doing it right now

    American Airlines did so did numerous other companies

    Heck we just used TARP to bail out GM’s pension

    When you are going to pay someone in retirement more than they earned working – these formula’s just cant work

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  225. Who added more to a gallon of California gas, Alaska or California?

    Where does one state get the right to determine what another state charges in taxes? California over taxes and over regulates all it’s businesses. Does this give other states who’s citizens buy California good the right to effect California tax policy?

    Machinist (74634b)

  226. #228,
    And you are knocking Palin because she did not join in this? You consider this irresponsible conduct a good thing?

    Should California go into default?

    Machinist (74634b)

  227. Machinist, I hate to see you tussle with this guy. You know the saying: it wastes your time, gets you all muddy…and annoys the troll.

    Your choice, of course. I just miss seeing your posts.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  228. All of your examples are entities in financial collapse. Is Alaska in trouble?

    Is Alaska running a deficit? (fourth time)

    Machinist (74634b)

  229. MAchinist,
    She taxed a struggling industry that employes most of her state for short term political gain. (getting a high approval rating led to her being picked for vp paid for directly with a 1,200 check to everyone)
    Now she’s going around telling everyone to cut spending and made the tough decisions which she clearly did not

    thanks for the discussion going to walk around the lake!

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  230. Thank you, Sir. Perhaps you are right.

    Machinist (74634b)

  231. #234 is to Eric Blair.

    Machinist (74634b)

  232. Eric

    I have posted links and facts to support my claims, if you feel I am wrong – I promise I won’t respond to you but I would like your justification for raising a tax to such a hih level that people are justifying overtaxation is good – if Sarah does it

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  233. Wow. That was a quick walk. Small lake, I guess.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  234. So now epwj is attributing Barcky’s political and ideological perspective on taxation onto Palin. This is being done by a Scozzafava supporter, mind you. We get it epwj, you hate Palin, and you are heavily invested in this meme of yours that you created. That does not make your bibble babble any less tiresome.

    JD (6e25b4)

  235. Or the lake any larger, JD?

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  236. I guess I know why my question was not answered.
    –I am no expert but it seems to me that Palin ran the state within it’s means, just like Obama.
    –While Mayer she eliminated business inventory tax and personal property tax and reduced property tax by 75%, just like Obama.
    –The city saw significant growth with new businesses bringing 50,000 shoppers a day to the city, just like Obama.
    –She reduced her own salary as Mayor and refused a raise as Governor, just like Obama.
    –As Governor she cut perks and took less than she was untitled to. Her gubernatorial expenses were 80% below Murkowski’s, just like Obama.
    –With no income or sales tax she balanced her state’s budget while increasing jobs, just like Obama.

    I guess she is like Obama. Surprise, surprise!

    Machinist (74634b)

  237. I’ll go jump in the lake now.

    Machinist (74634b)

  238. Exactly, Machinist, she is willing to take tough decisions, don’t let that cheery exterior, as the
    heads of the major oil companies thought, as did Commissioner Ruedrich, Mayor Stein, Councilman
    Carney, Governor Knowles and Murkowski

    narciso (9d0688)

  239. Fortunately, Machinist, if you jump into the lake in question, you need only wear some galoshes.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  240. EricPW – The links you provided starting at 202 are essentially to financial statements or reports rather than budgets. You should refer to them as such to avoid confusion. The budget submissions are maintained at http://omb.alaska.gov/ where if you click on the budget report link on the top of the menu bar, you can see by year what budget was submitted the governor, what was returned by the legislature, and what was enacted. By focusing on the items you have you are excluding the capital budget, you miss the $1 billion I previously pointed out Palin returned to the reserve fund in fiscal 2008 and a whole host of items.

    Pension funds do need to be funded. I have no idea where you developed the notion that they do not.

    In addition, your point on the petroleum taxes was that raising taxes was not conservative and therefore automatically bad. For Alaska, a state with no sales or personal income tax, you have not made that point.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  241. Nor has EPWJ really thought much about the fact that much of the petroleum products subject to severance tax are pumped from federal lands.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  242. I am greatly relieved to know of epwj’s immense concern for the financial burden that Gov. Palin imposed upon the automobile owners/drivers of CA.
    However, AFAIC, AK could send all of their oil to Japan, if they wished, and the Japanese were willing to replace it in the Lower-48 market with oil from either Mexico or Canada that can be transported via pipeline, if that would result in a lower cost to the average motorist here in LaLaLand.
    Your average Santa Barbara Eco-Nazi would feel the same if it would mean no tankers coming by to interrupt their view of the Channel Islands.
    Personally, I want those wells in that channel, and everywhere else along the coast, expanded so that CA can again become a net exporter of oil.
    What with the untapped reserves in the Gulf of Mexico, the Outer Continental Shelf on both coasts, and the inland reserved in tar-sands and elsewhere, there is no need for us to be reliant on the political whims of Mad Mullahs, irrational Bedouin chiefs, or others nut-cases found in the Middle-East (and the northern reaches of South America).
    Let a million flowers bloom, and the American entrepreneur flourish.

    AD-RtR/OS! (e2c6d2)

  243. Comment by SPQR — 11/28/2010 @ 6:01 pm

    Well, in his defense, his experience in the ME is with single-entity gov’ts, where everything belongs to the local despot.

    AD-RtR/OS! (e2c6d2)

  244. And with very small lakes.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  245. “I am greatly relieved to know of epwj’s immense concern for the financial burden that Gov. Palin imposed upon the automobile owners/drivers of CA.”

    AD – I am waiting for similar expressions of concern that the high tax environment of California has created for products sold in other states of the Union.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  246. daley, I think the rational response is…
    “crickets”!

    AD-RtR/OS! (e2c6d2)

  247. Perhaps gas stations could set aside a pump labeled “Alaska Gas” with a different price to consumers to assuage EricPW’s concern and allow consumers to make the decision whether or not to buy it.

    Naw, it’s a fungible product and prices are set by the market. Consumers would never go for it.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  248. I see opinions and commentary, interlaced with assumptions about what I do for my country, but I am not seeing any fats, links.

    What I am seeing is attempts to justify alifornia onsumers having to fund Palins exessive spending programs in Alaska

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  249. and the “c” just dropped from that last post

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  250. I see opinions and commentary, interlaced with assumptions about what I do for my country, but I am not seeing any facts, links.

    What I am seeing is attempts to justify California’s Consumers having to fund Palin’s exessive spending programs in Alaska

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  251. Well, they (CA’s consumers) can do what any disadvantaged group has always done:
    Sue!

    Any of you Legal Beagels out there think you’ve got a cause of action?
    Is there a tort in that oven?

    AD-RtR/OS! (e2c6d2)

  252. Man of the People…

    Only copies of “Heart” purchased at a Borders store are eligible for Palin’s autograph, with a maximum of two books signed per wristband

    http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/politics/101128-sarah-palin-in-houston-on-monday

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  253. So?

    Ag80 (e828a4)

  254. Can’t imagine the Al Zayed, who don’t suffer fools gladly, would ever have anything to do with him,

    narciso (9d0688)

  255. EricPWJohnson:

    She just doesn’t love you, dude. Let it go.

    Ag80 (e828a4)

  256. Obsess much? Good Allah!

    JD (eb5afc)

  257. “What I am seeing is attempts to justify California’s Consumers having to fund Palin’s exessive spending programs in Alaska”

    EricPW – Do you object to Alaska’s dividend program for its citizens? Do you define that as excessive spending?

    If a government takes in more revenues than it needs for its projected operations and uses a portion to fund previously underfunded pensions and to set aside large chunks of the excess into reserves for future rainy days, which Palin did, does that count as excessive spending? Go to the OMB site I linked in #244 and look at fiscal 2008 and you will see those items clearly.

    You just continue to dodge the issue, that all.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  258. Maybe epwj would explain, in engrish, how he attributed Barcky’s philosophy on taxing to Palin. Or how in the f@ck Cali gas prices are in any way f@cling relevant to this topic, other than in his fevered mind.

    JD (eb5afc)

  259. Daleyrocks – excessive spending and taxing is it’s meme. Dude, he is INVESTED in this meme. Plus, he hates Palin, but loves Scozzafava, but is the true conservative.

    JD (eb5afc)

  260. JD – With Palin’s share the wealth and hard time oil tax methodology, when the state gets a revenue windfall as it did in Fiscal 2008, she addressed mistakes of previous administrations and socked a bunch away for a rainy day, plus returned some to the citizens. The she turned to fixing the public sector pension problem, which EricPW has not acknowledged. Those numbers flow through the budget with the way government fund accounting works. Look for them on the OMB sire, not the pages on the links EricPW left. They are not apples to apples.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  261. JD – I believe the only people attacking Palin with this meme are the Democrats and the establishment corruptocrat Cocktail Party Republicans.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  262. Ag80 has it right, I think….

    Eric Blair (a27ac1)

  263. Waking momentarily and blinking glazed-over eyes-

    When someone is accused of being:
    – too stupid to know anything
    – too far right not to be a lunatic
    – too much of a hick to be presidential
    – not really a conservative after all
    – so smart as to pull one over on everybody
    – too much of a professional politician to be a new voice…

    then you know they must be doing something right.

    It is amazing, though, how incessant quoting of figures makes one bored and uninterested.

    MD in Philly (cac12c)

  264. I think forensic accounting is one field that should have job openings in it.

    MD in Philly (cac12c)

  265. “I think forensic accounting is one field that should have job openings in it.”

    MD in Philly – Normally you would be right. In my neck of the woods the large firms are cutting back. Law firms are dipping into services normally provided by forensic accountants to avoid laying off lawyers. It is a curious market.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  266. Daleyrocks,

    I don’t consider a 25% tax on a companies production a windfall, far from it. When oil is 100 dollars a barrel that tax is 25 dollars, in Texas its less than five.

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  267. Governor Palin was elected by the people of Alaska. Her responsibility is to the state and people of Alaska, not the oil company. It costs the same to extract a barrel of oil worth $50.00 as it does for one worth $100.00, and they still found it worth pumping at $50.00. She wanted the people of Alaska to be compensated for loss of a non renewable resource. The difference between her and Obama is that she helped develop infrastructure to aid in exploiting the resources and pushed to make more areas open to the oil companies, aiding the companies, the people of Alaska, and the people of the USA, including those NIMBY drivers in California, where Obama stopped drilling in the Gulf, hurting the oil companies, the local people who lost their jobs, the industries in America, and the people of the USA.

    I can’t help wonder who the oil companies consider a better friend, Palin or Obama?

    If the Alaska taxes are too much then the oil companies are free to drill elsewhere. That is how free markets work. See the job flight from California to see this in action. I believe Alaska is adding jobs, not losing them. At least the unemployment rate is better than the national avg.

    And cost of doing business? Alaska rates #38, California rates #48. Maybe California should ease up if they feel businesses are being over taxed by states instead of whining about a state that is hurting business less and still balancing it’s budget.

    Machinist (74634b)

  268. Machinist

    So let me understand your 271

    Its okay to tax companies based upon how well they are doing? If my dog kennelling service takes off, they could/should double my taxes?

    If the Alaska taxes are too much then the oil companies are free to drill elsewhere

    Note my 223 production is down to a third, and wells are going to be capped early

    I can’t help wonder who the oil companies consider a better friend, Palin or Obama?

    Whats the difference – both are hostile – correct?

    And cost of doing business? Alaska rates #38, California rates #48. Maybe California should ease up if they feel businesses are being over taxed by states instead of whining about a state that is hurting business less and still balancing it’s budget.

    Are jobs leaving Alaska?

    According to this report the Oil companies shed another 700 jobs in 2009 outof 11,700

    http://labor.state.ak.us/trends/nov10.pdf

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  269. How many jobs did California lose?
    What is California’s unemployment rate compared to Alaska’s?
    It is the Federal government (you know, Obama and his folks) that are limiting access to the best fields and preventing the building of a pipeline to move oil from those wells they are allowed to develop. Palin has been supporting the oil companies in this for the good of the state and the coubtry. The Democrats have been forcing us to buy oil from our enemies. You don’t see a difference????

    Machinist (74634b)

  270. Let me understand this….

    –California blocks drilling it’s oil or expanding it’s refineries, while preventing or closing non fossil fuel power plants and dams and mandating natural gas.
    –They demand a special blend that eliminates competition and makes their supply uncertain and the gas price among the highest in the nation.
    –The state then piles on high taxes on that inflated price and makes a killing at the expense of the California drivers.

    And this is Palin’s fault??

    Machinist (74634b)

  271. Your most recent effort shows no evidence of your professed desire to understand Machinist’s clearly stated position.

    JD (306f5d)

  272. You are right, JD. As usual.

    He is not discussing in good faith, as usual.

    I work here is done, I think.

    Machinist (74634b)

  273. MAchinist,

    Its a fact that California is a user of petroleum.

    JD

    Please show my professed desire to understand his position, I am rejecting his opinions and counterin them with facts, if you have some facts to the contrary, then by all means state them.

    Machinist,

    Lets boil it right down to this-did she raise taxes and spending in Alaska- yes or no?

    EricPWJohnson (4380b4)

  274. Machinist and JD – you are trying to debate EPWJ ? Seriously ? You might as well debate the proverbial pig which may or may not get annoyed …

    Anyway, it’s all Palin’s fault – except when it’s all The Eeeevil Boooosh’s fault … equal opportu nity, and all that, don’t you know ?

    I had the realisation, on the drive home tonight, that the EPWJs of this planet are basically Creationists when it comes to jobs and taxes and spending … Teh One says “Let there be even more taxes and spending !” – and He looked upon the result, and declared it Good !” …

    The Tea Party and the GOP, on the other hand, recognise that companies who employ folk evolve, with the fittest surviving and thriving, while the unfit die off …

    So the current occupant of the White House can talk glibly about how his policies are “creating” jobs, about how increasing taxes is “creating” revenue for the Government – while us folk who already understand that such things evolve keep trying to tell him that …

    Ironic, ain’t it ? Evolution is real (and Creationism is wrong), when convenient, for the Dems for biological species development – and Creationism is real (and Evolution is wrong), when convenient, for the Dems for jobs and revenue and economic development …

    Alasdair (205079)

  275. Alasdair,

    My contention is that Gov Palin raised taxes and spending to unprecedented heights in Alaska.

    I am for job creation-raising taxes and spending doesnt lead to job creation

    Tryin to brand me a liberal to win an argument without facts doesn’t help either

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)


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