Allen West: I’m Joining the Congressional Black Caucus Whether They Like It Or Not
I love this story. He’s a guy with a proven track record of standing up for what’s right, regardless of personal cost. (“If it’s about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I’d go through hell with a gasoline can.”) And now he is determined to infiltrate one of the silliest groups in government, and wreak havoc — simply by being a voice for a different approach.
And why not? I believe he qualifies, does he not? Fast forward to 4:27 for the relevant exchange:
I took the liberty of transcribing this section, because I think it’s important:
INTERVIEWER: Now, J.C. Watts, who was of course the Republican from Oklahoma, African American, did not join the Congressional Black Caucus, because of its, you know, overtly Democratic leanings . . .
WEST: Mm-hmm.
INTERVIEWER: Are you — first of all, do you have to be asked? Or by virtue of your race, can you just join it? Secondly, do you plan on joining?
WEST: Well, I plan on joining. So I’m not going to ask for permission, or whatever. I’m going to find out when they meet and, uh, I will be a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, as I think I meet all the criteria. And it’s so important, Steve, that we break down this quote unquote monolithic voice that continues to talk about victimization as the tendency in the black community. Uh, you look at some of the districts that the members of the Congressional Black Caucus represent, these are economically depressed districts, they have high unemployment rates, they have high incarceration rates, they have failing rates as far as dropouts — so we’ve got to turn this thing around, and I think it’s time for some different voices to be in that body politic.
Awesome.
I can’t wait to see how this turns out.
It will be interesting to see how the CBC handles this. They already have a history of denying membership to a white (liberal Democrat) congressman who represented a heavily black congressional district, sorely because of his race. If they try to marginalize Congressman-elect West, I wonder if the GOP leadership will have the guts to push to eliminate all federal funding for the CBC.
JVW (eccfd6) — 11/7/2010 @ 12:15 pmLove Allen West.
With that, it must be noted that in this day and age of post-racial everything, it’s strange to even see this asked re membership in any group,
Or by virtue of your race, can you just join it?
Dana (8ba2fb) — 11/7/2010 @ 12:16 pmHe might have to let off a couple of rounds next to their heads to get their attention.
Mike K (568408) — 11/7/2010 @ 12:17 pmThis is the kind of candidate that should have been the face of the Tea Party, not Christine O’Donnell. Allen West is a really impressive guy.
Terrye (eec529) — 11/7/2010 @ 12:20 pmI’d feel a lot better about him if he’d said he was NOT joining the CBC, because he was there to represent his constituents, not play identity politics.
I like the man, in fact I like him a lot. But, this is something that he should not do.
the friendly grizzly (2f59a6) — 11/7/2010 @ 12:34 pmI see it as fighting identity politics, friendly grizzly — head on.
Patterico (c218bd) — 11/7/2010 @ 12:39 pm_____________________________________
a proven track record of standing up for what’s right, regardless of personal cost.
It would be amazing to see what would happen if 90-plus percent of black America had West’s biases and mindset — or at least those of a 100% true centrist — instead of those of the CBC. That would be like allowing a blast of sunshine (ie, sorely needed common sense) into a long shuttered, dusty, abandoned room.
Actually, a variation of the same concept can be applied to Greece, Mexico, France, Spain, Venezuela, California, etc, etc.
Mark (411533) — 11/7/2010 @ 12:42 pmI’m outraged at this post!
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90) — 11/7/2010 @ 12:49 pmWAAAAAAAAAACISTS!
“I like the man, in fact I like him a lot. But, this is something that he should not do.”
friendly grizzly – Keep your friend close and your enemies closer.
Oops, there that word or its equivalent Obama keeps using. I guess I really meant people who disagree with you.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/7/2010 @ 12:52 pmYou misunderstand, he’s not going to ask, he’ll just kick the door down, as he did in Taji and Kandahar
justin cord (82637e) — 11/7/2010 @ 12:55 pmIs it wrong to ask why the CBC is even being funded? Is there a white caucus that is being funded? I suppose my main point is; these people are already being paid by the taxpayers. If they want to have their own caucus, do it on their own dime and time.
That said, go get ’em, Congressman West.
PatAZ (745e66) — 11/7/2010 @ 12:58 pmToto, I don’t think we’re in Kansas anymore. Gotta love Allen West.
And enough already with the Christine O’Donnell crap. The tea party produced some awesome candidates and some flawed ones. In every election so do the Dems, the Republicans, the Libertarians, the Greens, etc. O’Donnell continues to be news and the “face of the tea party” because we keep discussing it and allowing people like David Gregory to ask about it unchallenged on his Sunday show, as if Delaware is the most important state in the damn union.
elissa (e642a8) — 11/7/2010 @ 1:01 pmHow delicious would it be if he is refused, and then publicly beseeches BHO to intervene?
Finally, a popcorn moment.
Ed from SFV (c16c43) — 11/7/2010 @ 1:21 pmDid someone bring her up in this thread?
Patterico (c218bd) — 11/7/2010 @ 1:25 pmPatterico, yes. Comment 4.
elissa (e642a8) — 11/7/2010 @ 1:28 pmHow delicious would it be if he is refused, and then publicly beseeches BHO to intervene?
Finally, a popcorn moment.
Comment by Ed from SFV — 11/7/2010 @ 1:21 pm
Heh heh heh. Would pay to see that. Unfortunately, they won’t dare.
But IMO they will try all kinds of passive aggressive tricks to make him leave, after — probably — a high profile (and hilarious) “look how tolerant we are” (inadvertently admitting their own ideological bigotry) “welcoming” of Col. West into the Caucus.
no one you know (72db9b) — 11/7/2010 @ 1:33 pmShould have said, exclude him from business, not make Col. West leave. It’d be pretty tough to do the latter if he’s made up his mind to join since he no doubt knows what’s in store for him.
no one you know (72db9b) — 11/7/2010 @ 1:35 pmThe guy’s a helluva speaker – and he doesn’t use a teleprompter. Go, Colonel West, Go!
Dmac (ad2c6a) — 11/7/2010 @ 1:39 pmBut IMO they will try all kinds of passive aggressive tricks to make him leave, after — probably — a high profile (and hilarious) “look how tolerant we are” (inadvertently admitting their own ideological bigotry) “welcoming” of Col. West into the Caucus.
NOYK, exactly. It would further give proof to their intolerant bigotry – not only ideologically but racially – which was my point above – membership in a taxpayer funded club is based upon skin color?
Freshman Representative Steve Cohen, D-Tn., who is white, pledged to apply for membership during his election campaign to represent his constituents, who were 60% black. Hearn further reported that although the bylaws of the caucus do not make race a prerequisite for membership, former and current members of the Caucus agreed that the group should remain “exclusively black.” Rep. William Lacy Clay, Jr., D-Mo., the son of Rep. William Lacy Clay Sr., D-Mo., a co-founder of the caucus, is quoted as saying, “Mr. Cohen asked for admission, and he got his answer. He’s white and the Caucus is black. It’s time to move on. We have racial policies to pursue and we are pursuing them, as Mr. Cohen has learned. It’s an unwritten rule. It’s understood.” In response to the decision, Rep. Cohen stated, “It’s their caucus and they do things their way. You don’t force your way in.” Clay issued an official statement from his office:
“Quite simply, Rep. Cohen will have to accept what the rest of the country will have to accept – there has been an unofficial Congressional White Caucus for over 200 years, and now it’s our turn to say who can join ‘the club.’ He does not, and cannot, meet the membership criteria, unless he can change his skin color. Primarily, we are concerned with the needs and concerns of the black population, and we will not allow white America to infringe on those objectives.”
Dana (8ba2fb) — 11/7/2010 @ 2:03 pmI will go with the colonel. Won’t use the door – I will place a couple of small charges on a wall. Blow the charges, toss in a couple of flash-bangs and a concussion grenade for luck. Step aside as the colonel enters and follow – M5 ready. 😉
Longwalker (4e0dda) — 11/7/2010 @ 2:03 pm“… In every election so do the Dems, the Republicans, the Libertarians, the Greens, etc…”
Still waiting for the “awesome” ones from the latter two (etc excluded).
AD-RtR/OS! (f6c1ad) — 11/7/2010 @ 2:24 pmThere once was a Congressional Caucasian Caucus but it was too hard for people to say.
Birdbath (8501d4) — 11/7/2010 @ 1:43 pmBut wait. I thought we were racists. How come we like this guy?
kansas (012c70) — 11/7/2010 @ 1:45 pmPatterico @21, thanks-
Honestly, what really set me off on this was the MTP segment on NBC this morning. That Gregory was using valuable air time asking a successful Team R New Jersey Governor to opine on a losing senate candidate from tiny Delaware was as shameless, transparent and pathetic an attempt to shape and control the narrative as I’ve seen. Did Gregory have any interest in discussing winning R. senator-elect Rubio or winning R. senator-elect Kirk who took Obama’s old seat, or the new female minority Republican governors, or the rise of terrific black conservatives such as West? No he did not. He wanted to talk about the witch.
As far as her being a tea party candidate I don’t believe that even those who supported her, and certainly those of us who are political pragmatists and did not love her, ever sought to paint O’Donnell as the “face of the tea party” brand. No. That was the Dems, lefty blogs and the media who furiously pushed that meme through the election and are continuing to do so still.
elissa (e642a8) — 11/7/2010 @ 1:53 pmNo of course not, however, Christie could have said something fairly innocuous, like that was the choice
of the primary voters, this is another faux pa, like
when he dismissed the GZM opponents reasonable concerns. which is ironic because Imam Rauf’s offices are in his bailiwick.
The truth is people were ignorant in picking Klein
justin cord (82637e) — 11/7/2010 @ 2:00 pmlast time, when someone like Colonel West was available ‘reporting for duty’ as it were
The Left just KNOWS that nothing of any substance happens within the GOP except by the direction of The Momma Grizzly, and that she will be the nominee of the GOP in the next Presidential Election.
Of course, if she declines to run, and someone else is nominated and wins, it will only be because she decreed it to happen that way; since the Left is unable to believe that Rethuglicans are capable of independent, judicious, intelligent thought, as those qualities are reserved for our “credentialed” betters on the Left.
AD-RtR/OS! (f6c1ad) — 11/7/2010 @ 2:00 pmFair enough. Well, I agree with the comment, and I’m not sure it’s the O’Donnell opponents who are solely responsible for her being such a huge issue. But anyway, this is a guy we can get behind — and this is a great start.
Patterico (c218bd) — 11/7/2010 @ 2:08 pmComment by Dana — 11/7/2010 @ 2:03 pm
Dana,
Wow, and wow. Thanks for the eye-opening quotes. Had no idea re: Rep. Cohen’s exclusion, and wasn’t aware how in-your-face and angrily racist the CBC’s leadership is.
Does anyone have to strain to imagine what would happen if the races were reversed in that last (I confess kind of shocking) quote by a wannabe founder of a Congressional White Caucus?
no one you know (72db9b) — 11/7/2010 @ 2:12 pmelissa,
My memory is that Christie brought up Castle specifically. I could be wrong.
I thought he came across really well.
Patterico (f5f15c) — 11/7/2010 @ 2:15 pmI love Chris Christie. We used to live in Jersey (before we moved to another large bankrupt state). He is smart and is exactly what NJ needs to get on track. He has the perfect personality for how to get things done there. No teleprompter needed by him. Wish we could clone him for a few other states which have fiscal and union pension problems.
Christie’s answer to David Gregory on whether he’d be interested in ever being Vice-president was CLASSIC!!
elissa (e642a8) — 11/7/2010 @ 2:42 pmWe’ll see just how brave the Colonel really is if he is accepted and has to sit through a meeting looking at Maxine Waters.
Huey (339a76) — 11/7/2010 @ 2:45 pmThat was the Dems, lefty blogs and the media who furiously pushed that meme through the election and are continuing to do so still.
elissa, but doesn’t that speak even more to the fact that the TP needs to exercise far more caution and discernment with those they back? It should already be a given that any youthful indiscretion, any stupidity, and any momentary lapses of good judgment dug up will become synonymous with the candidate, hence their brand. That’s how ferocious our opponents are (both Dems and the media) and yet there still seems to be some unrealistic expectation of fairness or understanding. I don’t get it.
Dana (8ba2fb) — 11/7/2010 @ 2:55 pmCol. West sitting in on a CBC meeting will no doubt be deliciously enlightening. Like reading the emails between the Journolisters was enlightening. And seeing the tapes of officials inside Acorn offices breaking the law was enlightening. Can. not. wait. to see how this plays out.
elissa (e642a8) — 11/7/2010 @ 2:59 pm“But don’t you know he had a tax lien”, yes so do most people in Florida nowadays, I’ve become inured to the kind of gotcha (what passes for journalism), well you don’t read the Times, but you are aware of it. When you’ve seen a candidate accused of adultery, embezzlement, some bizarre changeling, and everything else, and they don’t bother to apologize ever. Then they use that sewer of lies to rationalize why this candidate is disdained or despised, even though she has speaking more truth to power, than anyone elseincluding this instance;
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/252715/palin-bernanke-cease-and-desist-robert-costa
justin cord (82637e) — 11/7/2010 @ 3:30 pmIf the world were just, this man would be a Brigadier General by now kicking ass in Afghanistan.
The Armys loss is the Nations gain in having Allen West in the Congress.
SGT Ted (5d10ae) — 11/7/2010 @ 3:52 pmThere does seem to be, an obfuscation of the realities of international conflict, that seems to be standard with higher rank, now he was cashiered
justin cord (82637e) — 11/7/2010 @ 4:19 pmbefore Petraeus’s counterinsurgency strategy came into affect, and the promotion boards were reconstituted to deal with that reality
Believe me, Dana I agree with every word you said @32. The importance of vetting and selecting quality, electable candidates is more important than ever in the age of internet and youtube. In several rather obvious cases that careful vetting did not happen in 2010 and it caused big hurt and embarrassment as well as cost some seats in congress for the right. In the future all parties, not just the TP, will need to understand they must do better to give the American voters good choices. Google Scott Lee Cohen, the man who won the Dem primary for Illinois Lt. Gov. before being forced to withdraw, to see that this vetting thing is a problem more broad than the nascent tea party’s.
I am talking about something else, here, though. (Although I guess I am not doing very well in articulating it, LOL). What I am arguing is that in addition to much better candidate vetting NEXT time, right now we on the right have to fight fire with fire regarding the media and Dem narrative about the TP. Yes, COD was one of a number of candidates coming out of the tea party movement nationwide. But, why is SHE, almost alone, after losing her election— not, for example, Rubio after winning– or Allen West, after winning– still so blatantly being shown as THE “face of the tea party movement” by the media? You know the answer to that. The TP must be made to look too extreme and too unserious and too whacky for independent voters to contemplate and respect.
This narrative is what we have to fight to change at every opportunity. Every time somebody brings up the tea party’s Christine O’Donnell as a witch and a flake instead of Rubio as an inspirational Hispanic leader from the tea party, or West as an experienced and inspirational AA leader with tea party roots, we need to ask that question right back. Every time COD is mocked, we need to say OK and then mock the almost universally reviled Allan Grayson and ask if HE is the face of the Democrat party. When the media continues to bring up O’Donnell we need to bring up someone like poor clueless Alvin Greene and point out that HE, surely, could never be considered face of the Democrat party. Why, then, would O’Donnell be viewed as the face of the TP? The list is long. The opportunities will be many. Our blogs, pundits, and even the officials who are interviewed and ambushed about the tea party need to go on the offensive. NOW.
elissa (e642a8) — 11/7/2010 @ 4:43 pmWhy do they use that language, because the speakers often want to minimize the importance of the Tea Party, now Christie could have used neutral language, Rove could have as he did in Spiegel, disdained the cheap shots at Palin and O’Donnell, But he didn’t, he chose the words ‘reality show’ he used ‘gravitas’ the same expression thrown against his boss, nearly a dozen years ago.
This is typical of what the core of the Republican establishment, what some have called the clique that reigns at the RNC and NRSC, have done over
justin cord (82637e) — 11/7/2010 @ 4:57 pmthis last year. Remember they disdained Rubio at first, they went so far as try to recruit Tom Ridge, in Maryland to run against Toomey, when their bet on Specter collapsed. Had they their druthers, they would have made accomodation with Obamacare, as their true fave Murkowski, has expressed. Remember how Trent Lott, has said the
Tea Party must be coopted, asap
elissa,
I’m sorry I misconstrued your original comment. I agree with your point.
We seem so inept at fighting the media with any sort of might but rather meekly surrender to the expected default position of being on the defensive. Yet as you’ve pointed out, there will be (has been) plenty of opportunity to turn the tables. Is it reluctance to be confrontational or is it that those on the Sunday talk shows are not as quick thinking as necessary?
With that, when we have candidates like O’Donnell we open ourselves up to being even more ridiculed and challenged if we are putting up substantial candidates like West or Rubio. That makes the the media’s job that much more difficult and presents far less opportunity for them to go for the kill.
Dana (8ba2fb) — 11/7/2010 @ 5:38 pmPatrick, you have to remember who previously held that DE Senate seat. There is literally NO ONE more embarrassing to the US than Biden.
All in all, I’d call it a tie.
Mike K (568408) — 11/7/2010 @ 5:59 pmBirdbath wrote:
BB, you misspellled it; I’m sure it was the Kongressional Kaucasian Kaucus. Please make a note of it.
The historian Dana (bd7e62) — 11/7/2010 @ 6:01 pmHuey wrote:
[shudder!]
The fearful Dana (bd7e62) — 11/7/2010 @ 6:03 pmBB, you misspellled it; I’m sure it was the Kongressional Kaucasian Kaucus. Please make a note of it.
Heh. Score!
Dana (8ba2fb) — 11/7/2010 @ 6:07 pmtwo comments:
1) Rubio did not come out of the Tea Party. He’s an establishment GOP figure (former speaker of the state House of Representatives) who managed to get the Tea Party behind him because he was Charlie Crist’s opponent. That’s why I think y’all will end up being disappointed by him. This in contrast to Allan West and Rick Scott, who did not come out of the GOP establishment, and in the case of Scott explicitly ran against the establishment in the primary.
2) To add some more to the irony mix here: the district West represents does not, by and large, include the black neighborhoods of Broward and Palm Beach counties. In fact, Florida-22 is in the main, one of the more affluent districts in the area–which is, no doubt, why it historically has leaned to the GOP in Congressional elections. (Six terms for Republican Clay Shaw, two for Democrat Klein, and now Allan West.) While it has extensions into the terra firma of Palm Beach and Broward, its core is “Condo canyon” and a whole bunch of beachfront property. (According to the figures in Wikipedia, it has a black population of 3.8%, a median income of $51,200 and 4.6% of families live below the poverty level). So not only will West not be a typical member of the CBC, his district is (unlike Cohen) not typical of the districts represented by most of the CBC)–in contrast to, say, FL-17 (Kendrick Meek’s former district) or FL-23 (the district created for Alcee Hastings), which contain most of the black neighborhoods in Broward and Palm Beach, and have over 50% black population.
kishnevi (33a0bd) — 11/7/2010 @ 6:20 pmShould have added: if you want to see a map of FL-22, here’s the fairly basic one from Wikipedia.
kishnevi (33a0bd) — 11/7/2010 @ 6:25 pmWell that’s all true, kish, but the M.O, of the folks that had committed to Crist, 20 months ago,
justin cord (82637e) — 11/7/2010 @ 6:27 pmis part of their pattern, yes it’s Clay Shaw’s district, who was a solid dependable vote, but not a boat rocker. Cohen, I remember for actually voicing that ‘Jesus was a community organizer, Pilate was a Governor’ meme, that’s Moore or Maher stupid
—-And enough already with the Christine O’Donnell crap. The tea party produced some awesome candidates and some flawed ones. In every election so do the Dems, the Republicans, the Libertarians, the Greens, etc. —
Two words: Alvin Green
red (7b5f67) — 11/7/2010 @ 7:03 pm—-1) Rubio did not come out of the Tea Party. He’s an establishment GOP figure (former speaker of the state House of Representatives)
Ron Johnson, the Feingold Killer, came out of the Tea Party.
red (7b5f67) — 11/7/2010 @ 7:06 pmSomething tells me he won’t be intimidated easily. Maybe he can be the next Republican President’s press secretary for a spell.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 11/7/2010 @ 8:34 pmHe has raised two important issues, in the weeks leading to the election, one he didn’t endorse the Pledge, he thought it too bland and unimaginative, and supports the mission in Afghanistan, but is not keen on operation that involve Nation building
justin cord (82637e) — 11/7/2010 @ 8:47 pmBB, you misspellled it; I’m sure it was the Kongressional Kaucasian Kaucus. Please make a note of it.
Oh! You’re taking about Democrats?
AD-RtR/OS! (f6c1ad) — 11/7/2010 @ 8:52 pmI wonder what FL-23 will look like after re-apportionment?
AD-RtR/OS! (f6c1ad) — 11/7/2010 @ 8:54 pmYeah swell guy with interrogation methods Adolf would approve of no surprise he came to the rescue of the Leavenworth 10 no surprise either he is a black conservative tommy he knows his place and goes where the master is really the kind of guy they love at the CBC
Rethugbuster (0692b1) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:28 amWhy are trolls racist?
JD (85b089) — 11/8/2010 @ 5:43 amhttp://reason.com/blog/2010/11/07/why-is-ron-paul-supporting-spe
justin cord (82637e) — 11/8/2010 @ 6:14 amRethug you’re an idiot.
SGT Ted (5d10ae) — 11/8/2010 @ 6:34 am“Yeah swell guy with interrogation methods Adolf would approve of…”
It’s a good interrogation method, except after you’ve determined that the guy you’re interrogating is a spy you really need to kill the son of a bitch.
Dave Surls (5b4b9b) — 11/8/2010 @ 7:17 amWhen I look at the CBC’s agenda I do hope very much that Allen West signs on. However, this is a guy that freaks out over a “coexist” bumper sticker, so I don’t think it will quite work that he signs on to an agenda he can’t really “coexist” with.
imdw (8bb588) — 11/8/2010 @ 7:42 amHush, imdw. Yer an imbecile.
JD (9d14f7) — 11/8/2010 @ 7:44 amCoexist dude. The guy has a problem with “coexist.”
imdw (8bb588) — 11/8/2010 @ 7:47 amAnd you have a problem with posting people’s home address. And jooooooooooooooooooooooos. And people not as enlightened as you.
JD (9d14f7) — 11/8/2010 @ 7:56 amWest’s problem isn’t with the existence of black who disagree.
His problem is with the often insisted upon notion that authentic blacks support democrats and government dependency. He sees that as a cause of problems.
I’m delighted to see him act on domestic concerns with such clarity and conviction. It is a huge shame this man is not wearing a star and fighting our war, but West is determined to make as much good out of this situation as he can.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/8/2010 @ 8:05 amApparently, i’m capable of coexisting with all sorts of religions without the thrill of dropping pejorative terms for them. This is a problem for you, no?
imdw (ca368f) — 11/8/2010 @ 8:06 amExcept the joooooooooooooooooooos.you always seem to get tripped up with that one. Oops.
JD (9d14f7) — 11/8/2010 @ 8:09 amHmmm…
“…without the thrill of dropping pejorative terms…”
Now that is comedy gold.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 11/8/2010 @ 8:10 amJD, remember: he says it wasn’t him who did that.
But then, he can’t prove it was you who slapped him around, right?
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 11/8/2010 @ 8:11 amI did nothing of the sort. You cannot prove it.
JD (9d14f7) — 11/8/2010 @ 8:12 amIt was an anonymizer.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 11/8/2010 @ 8:13 amYou folks are under the delusion, that we must do everything right, well you know they find a way to bend the rules regardless;
http://www.wlsam.com/Article.asp?id=2011666&spid=
justin cord (82637e) — 11/8/2010 @ 8:36 amJustin, no delusions on my part. That link of yours is yet another predictable example of the democrats breaking faith with democracy.
They really should change their party’s name.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/8/2010 @ 9:17 am“Except the joooooooooooooooooooos.you always seem to get tripped up with that one. Oops.”
Bizarrely, you seem to have identified the one identity group that I’d probably find most easy to coexist with. Coastal, Urban, progressive, left wing, etc… Do you consider yourself lucky that you probably won’t ever say “some of my best friends are jews” and thus be mistaken for an anti-semite? Because boy would that harm your ability to toss around anti-semitic pejoratives huh?
But let’s get back to Allan West and the identity politics of coexistence.
imdw (0275b8) — 11/8/2010 @ 9:34 am“Except the joooooooooooooooooooos.you always seem to get tripped up with that one. Oops.”
Bizarrely, you seem to have identified the one identity group that I’d probably find most easy to coexist with. Coastal, Urban, progressive, left wing, etc…Have I asked this before? Do you consider yourself lucky that you probably won’t ever say “some of my best friends are jews” and thus be mistaken for an anti-semite? Because boy would that harm your ability to toss around anti-semitic pejoratives huh?
But let’s get back to Allan West and the identity politics of coexistence. What a guy huh?
imdw (51cc50) — 11/8/2010 @ 9:35 amMuch like the Japanese LDP, founded by a class A war criminal, which was neither liberal, democratic
justin cord (82637e) — 11/8/2010 @ 9:40 amor much of a party
You cannot point to any anti-semiotic perjoratives used as such by me. None. Zero.zip.nada. You, on the other hand, well your history with the jooooooooo hate is pretty well known here. Why would I ever have to worry about saying that?
JD (d5e4d1) — 11/8/2010 @ 9:43 amhahaha. IMDW is so crazy he thinks this makes sense.
imdw, you’re an anti-semite. You’ve tripped over this issue several times. JD doesn’t see Jews as a separate category of people the way you do. Coexistence with them doesn’t enter the equation when you haven’t cut society into segments that have to compete and exist separately.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/8/2010 @ 9:44 amWHAT A SEC!
What if the jews spoofed imdw’s IP address! That explains everything!
imdw’s attempt to pretend someone else used the same proxy service (needed for repeat trolls and weirdos and actual dissidents) is the most radically unlikely explanation a troll has ever employed here.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/8/2010 @ 9:46 am“Black Republican” Rep Gary Franks from CN joined the CBC during the 90’s. The CBC then excluded him by meeting as a “Democratic Party Subcommittee” or some such. Mr. Franks was a lot of fun. He liked to point out that Bull Connor was a Democrat, etc.
“White Democrat” Pete Stark tried to join, too, apparently.
viktor (73db5e) — 11/8/2010 @ 9:48 amhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Black_Caucus#White_membership
“You cannot point to any anti-semiotic perjoratives used as such by me. None. Zero.zip.nada.”
“jooooooooo”
Dude. You’re too much. But please don’t ‘bunnies’ the discussion of Allen West coexisting with ideologies he doesn’t like. It’s also kind of gauche as it’s starting to look like you like saying stuff like this.
“JD doesn’t see Jews as a separate category of people the way you do.”
Wasn’t I on the other thread pointing out we can just consider them americans? Oh well. More weirdness comes out. Not as much fun though, as a thread full of right wing gentiles wondering why jews are so left wing.
“Coexistence with them doesn’t enter the equation when you haven’t cut society into segments that have to compete and exist separately.”
Wait are we back on the topic of Allen West and his problem with coexist bumper stickers?
imdw (f092e1) — 11/8/2010 @ 10:13 amSo imdw wants us to ignore it’s actual history of anti-Semitic ranting while try to claim that my mockery of his anti-semiticism is anti-Semitic. Remarkable.
JD (d5e4d1) — 11/8/2010 @ 10:18 amJD, projection is the lefty troll’s laziest way out.
Keith Olbermann calling Fox a partisan outfit. Democrats calling Allen West a racist. Dems complaining about the republican deficit.
That’s how it works.
Now West is a bigot? Why? A religion is a set of ideas. West does not believe we can cowexist with the idea of submission to one religion. I think he has a point. That’s not to say Muslims can’t be Americans… it’s a more substantive discussion of how to work with this religion.
imdw’s the one opposed to ‘coexistence’. We shouldn’t have to divide up into little symbols, colors, sexes, etc. We should be individual Americans who agree on allegiance to the USA.
He would insist it’s bigoted to criticize ideas contrary to the melting pot, but West is on the money. When Muslims refuse to uphold the ideas West is pointing to, they become better people and better Americans.
Same would be true of Christians not upholding some of the more extreme examples of Christian oppression in world history (long ago largely discarded).
This is what the melting pot is all about. imdw would prefer we not challenge one religion’s screwy parts. Too bad.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/8/2010 @ 10:28 amWell, when a person does nasty things, doesn’t apologize, and then claims that some conspiracy allowed some unnamed person to—once—post in his name…
Well…
I think that should be the subject. At least until trollboy apologizes.
Because everyone knows he is lying, and just won’t own that he made a mistake. Look at the history of the fella’s posts.
Enough said.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 11/8/2010 @ 10:30 am“Now West is a bigot? Why? A religion is a set of ideas. West does not believe we can cowexist with the idea of submission to one religion”
Does he? His actual words seem to be more about a pluralistic bumper sticker that references not just Islam, but also Judaism, and contains a yin-yang, the male/female symbol, and a peace symbol.
“We should be individual Americans who agree on allegiance to the USA.”
But don’t call that coexisting! And definitely don’t put a bumper sticker saying that on Allen West’s car!
imdw (150cd7) — 11/8/2010 @ 11:59 am“Now West is a bigot? Why? A religion is a set of ideas. West does not believe we can cowexist with the idea of submission to one religion”
Does he? His actual words seem to be more about a pluralistic bumper sticker that references not just Islam, but also Judaism, and contains a yin-yang, the male/female symbol, and a peace symbol.
“We should be individual Americans who agree on allegiance to the USA.”
But don’t call that coexisting! And definitely don’t put a bumper sticker saying that on Allen West’s car!
But the sticker seems to me more global than just about being Americans.
imdw (5d28c7) — 11/8/2010 @ 12:00 pmThat’s not accurate.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/8/2010 @ 12:06 pmThis is accurate. BTW, are sales up at Domino’s lately?
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/8/2010 @ 12:09 pmimdw would rather suckle Helen Thomas’s balloon knot than admit that it is wrong.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/8/2010 @ 12:14 pm“That’s not accurate.”
We also know he’s not a religious bigot.. he says Islam is not a religion! So that can’t be religious bigotry, right? Also, he fought in Iraq! But apparently has a hard time coexisting with Iraqis.
imdw (3fa6b6) — 11/8/2010 @ 12:18 pmAre you generalizing the terrorists West had a ‘hard time’ coexisting with as “Iraqis”?
Because that’s absurd. West helped save Iraqis from the sort of thugs he fought. They are not the same and more than the congressional black caucus is ‘blacks’.
Typical democrat sophistry.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/8/2010 @ 12:22 pmOnly if you conflate Iraqis and terrorists.
JD (c8c1d2) — 11/8/2010 @ 12:25 pm“Are you generalizing the terrorists West had a ‘hard time’ coexisting with as “Iraqis”?”
Nope. I’m saying he has a hard time coexisting with Islam, a religion that is quite popular in Iraq.
imdw (3fa6b6) — 11/8/2010 @ 12:25 pmPure unadulterated sophistry, Dustin. It just runs around with the goalposts, calling names.
JD (c8c1d2) — 11/8/2010 @ 12:28 pmIt’s intriguing to consider because proactive officers like West with the 24th ID, if I recall, and Nat. Guard officers like Mirabile with the 124th Army in Ramadi, did save many soldiers and civilians, in the first year of the war
justin cord (82637e) — 11/8/2010 @ 12:30 pmSo you’re admitting conflating nationality with a particular version of a religion. Either that or you are just spitting out whatever you can at the moment with little thought as to what you said 10 minutes ago.
West is very clear on what aspects of Islam he takes exception to. I think he has a point. It’s possible to insist there is no way to be a Muslim without adhering to those aspects, though I think that’s a load of crap.
I also think Iraq is proof.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/8/2010 @ 12:39 pmHe seems to be existing just fine as a individual rather than member of one faction in the democrat spreadsheet of interest groups.
You can pretend he can’t coexist (by keeping his mouth shut about horrors or shirking his duty as an officer) but it’s not about every opinion being forced into BS equality. It’s about individuality. It’s about Republican ideals at their core, which I realize many Republicans have forgotten all about because they aren’t authentic conservatives like I am (that was a joke).
West won’t pretend a wife beater or a pedophile or someone who says they will kill you if you speak is respectable. As an individual, all Muslims or otherwise, all Arabs or otherwise, have the ability to consider this and make their choice.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/8/2010 @ 12:43 pm“So you’re admitting conflating nationality with a particular version of a religion”
What?
“West is very clear on what aspects of Islam he takes exception to.”
He said it’s not a religion, for one.
“It’s about individuality”
Yup. And he can’t coexist with a friggin bumper sticker. What an individual!
“He seems to be existing just fine as a individual rather than member of one faction in the democrat spreadsheet of interest groups.”
And I can’t wait till he signs on to the CBC’s agenda!
imdw (a544ba) — 11/8/2010 @ 12:49 pmIf imdw and the leftists did not have identity groups and little boxes to put people in, they would not know what to do. As is, West confluzzles them, therefore the vitriol that will continue to be tossed his way.
JD (306f5d) — 11/8/2010 @ 12:55 pmAll we need to do is quote the dude, and wish him well on joining the CBC. And what? Vitriol! Don’t be so weak.
imdw (cd4b7a) — 11/8/2010 @ 12:57 pmComing from a cowardly liar that has been banned and sockpuppets to get around same, that is rich.
JD (85b089) — 11/8/2010 @ 1:05 pmimdw – Just check the left the plantation box.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/8/2010 @ 1:08 pmThis ‘all we need to do’ crap was a lot more menacing coming from imdw many months ago before it was obvious the country was wise to this crap.
The dems lost votes in every category they can come up with to divide our people. They just don’t control information anymore.
West is going to be a fixture in American politics for a long, long time, and trolls can’t stand it. This isn’t the Clarence Thomas era anymore. West is thinking big picture, and will be part of the reason more blacks become republicans.
imdw can boast about ‘all we need to do’ and weakness, but that’s the politics that lost badly last week.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/8/2010 @ 1:13 pmAllen West really shows the diversity of people who think Islam is not a religion.
imdw (7b0243) — 11/8/2010 @ 1:31 pm“West is going to be a fixture in American politics for a long, long time, and trolls can’t stand it. This isn’t the Clarence Thomas era anymore. West is thinking big picture, and will be part of the reason more blacks become republicans.”
You wish. Allen West will be justly seen as another token playing His Master’s Voice. No sensible Black would join the Tea Baggers. Also, that guy is a psycho and I’m relieved he is no longer in the Army. Enjoy your stay in the Congress, Allen, for it won’t be long.
Triumph (0692b1) — 11/8/2010 @ 2:23 pmI’m sure that’s what they are being told by their would-be masters and bestowers of sensibility: Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.
You can’t beat him. But go ahead and give it your best shot. In particular, show him less respect than you show white Republicans. Believe me, we expect that. That is part of the game you don’t realize West is playing with you.
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Are you a serious liberal or a conservative being sarcastic?
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/8/2010 @ 2:37 pmNancy Pelosi and her friends have fought hard and sometimes put their lives in danger for Allen West to have a better life than the patient, obedient house-ne**** that teabaggers fantasize about. That West now prefers to buccally oblige his parents’ and grandparents’ tormentors is just another proof of what a sad louse he is.
Oplontis (0692b1) — 11/8/2010 @ 2:42 pmHow dare he not conform to the leftist narrative.
JD (85b089) — 11/8/2010 @ 2:45 pmFor West to have a better life?
Oplontis, how in the world has Pelosi put her life in danger for West? West fought in a combat zone for us. He’s earned the American life more than most. He doesn’t have to say thanks to liberal democrats for it.
How in the world is West obliging the tormentors of blacks? They were democrats. The KKK was the democrat party in the south… the exact same organization.
Bull Conner and Al Gore Sr fought hard to stifle blacks. Republicans like Martin Luther King and Barry Goldwater marched, actually facing risk, so that men would be judged on the content of their character, as individuals!
I don’t fantasize about West as a house negro. You’re the one using that expression. It doesn’t occur to you that a black man could actually be free and Republican? Why?
How is he a sad louse? He ran for congress on an honest platform, and now insists on being treated equally. Why are all minority republicans treated like this?
Fact is, democrats like Pelosi fought against civil rights. They exploit dependency and want to ensure inner cities stay democrat by creating as much dependency as possible.
That is specifically what West is fighting against.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/8/2010 @ 2:47 pmThey don’t talk about Newt this way. They don’t talk about Paul Ryan this way.
but if you are black or if you are a woman or if you are gay… they really get nasty quick, JD. They use expressions like ‘house negro’ and ‘oblige your oppressors’ because they do not see blacks as free thinkers.
Of course, not all liberals are racist… many are, and use their politics to ease their guilt, but not all.
Oplontis is just another tired example of the race baiting democrat. West will bring more out. He won’t back down, either. Democrats will sneer ‘you should be thanking us!’ As if West owes someone loyalty because he’s not a slave. It’s the same sick crap.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/8/2010 @ 2:50 pmHe names himself after a town buried by Vesuvius, good show, old boy
justin cord (82637e) — 11/8/2010 @ 2:50 pmAt least he gets to the point.
Democrats pretend they are the ones who fought Bull Conner and the KKK, and pretend the Republicans were opposed to real civil rights and freedom. The reality is the opposite, even for the extreme so-called Civil Rights Act.
But once they insist reality is that Pelosi saved the Blacks from segregated schools and slavery, rather than Republicans and Christian preachers, the democrats let you know why they lie about history.
They demand blacks pay them bck. They insist Pelosi risked her life to save black people, and deserves to be repaid!
Meanwhile, it would be ghastly for some civil rights ministers or NAACP members (when the organization stood for something and Goldwater was a member) to demand something in return. The blacks were never made equal… they were always equal. They don’t owe Pelosi anything for their civil rights. Those were ALWAYS their rights. Bill Conner and Al Gore sr were STEALING from them, rather than the government eventually bestowing their human rights like some monetary entitlement.
There is no equivalence between desegregation, suffrage, and emancipation and Obamacare.
When someone tells you Pelosi risked her life for Allen West, that person is probably breaking down in tears when people get to vote freely for Republicans, as they will be doing in 2012.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/8/2010 @ 2:57 pm“Bull Conner and Al Gore Sr fought hard to stifle blacks. Republicans like Martin Luther King and Barry Goldwater marched, actually facing risk, so that men would be judged on the content of their character, as individuals!”
One of my favorite Glenn Beck moments was when he freaked out over a picture that included Pelosi and John Lewis, arms locked and heading to passage of health care reform. He was outraged that they were likening themselves to the civil rights protesters. He pointed to a picture of civil rights protesters — sitting at lunch counters — and shouted “these people refused to get up.”
He never noticed that John Lewis was there. Refusing to get up from those lunch counters. The same John Lewis.
Dustin, did you know that Barry Goldwater was against the civil rights act?
imdw (fb6d20) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:02 pmI’m the one in need of better education? Really?
Dustin said:
Al Gore Sr fought hard to stifle blacks
It’s wrong:
Gore was one of only three Democratic senators from the 11 former Confederate states who did not sign the 1956 Southern Manifesto opposing integration, the other two being Senate Majority Leader Lyndon B. Johnson (who was not asked to sign) and Gore’s fellow Tennessean Estes Kefauver, who refused to sign. South Carolina Senator J. Strom Thurmond tried to get Gore to sign the Southern Manifesto, Gore refused. Gore could not, however, be regarded as an out-and-out integrationist, having voted against some major civil rights legislation including the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He did support the Voting Rights Act of 1965. He had easily won renomination in 1958 over former governor of Tennessee Jim Nance McCord, which at that point was still tantamount to election (because of the traditional weakness of the Republican party in the post-Reconstruction South); by 1964 he faced an energetic Republican challenge from Memphian Dan Kuykendall, who ran a surprisingly strong race against him.
He also said:
“Barry Goldwater marched, actually facing risk, so that men would be judged on the content of their character, as individuals!”
And it’s wrong:
“In 1961, Goldwater told an audience of Atlanta Republicans that “we’re not going to get the negro vote as a block in 1964 and 1968, so we ought to go hunting where the ducks are”.[13] In 1964, Goldwater ran a conservative campaign that emphasized “states’ rights.”[14] Goldwater’s 1964 campaign was a magnet for conservatives. Goldwater broadly opposed strong action by the federal government. Although he had supported all previous federal civil rights legislation, Goldwater made the decision to oppose the Civil Rights Act of 1964.[15] His stance was based on his view that the act was an intrusion of the federal government into the affairs of states and, second, that the Act interfered with the rights of private persons to do business, or not, with whomever they chose.[16]
All this appealed to white Southern Democrats, and Goldwater was the first Republican to win the electoral votes of the Deep South states (Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, and South Carolina) since Reconstruction. However, Goldwater’s vote on the Civil Rights Act proved devastating to his campaign everywhere outside the South (besides Dixie, Goldwater won only in Arizona, his home state), contributing to his landslide defeat in 1964.”
So who needs to be better-educated? Not me, it seems.
Oplontis (0692b1) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:07 pmI think everyone knows that. Did you think it was not well known?
He opposed it because he is a champion for civil rights. I think everyone knows that too. He was a member of the NAACP before that organization collapsed into what it is today.
I didn’t know you watch so much Glenn Beck, IMDW. At any rate, freedom to associate, even in a racist way, is a civil right. Government control of who we associate with can have a good intention but is nontheless unconstitutional.
Barry Goldwater certainly doesn’t take a back seat to you on civil rights because he opposed that legislation. He absolutely did fight for desegregation among other worthy causes as an NAACP member.
And no black owes him anything for that. And Goldwater never implied they did, unlike your friend a few comments up, who insists blacks owe democrats something in exchange for their rights.
For everything you can name ‘proving’ the GOP is opposed to some civil right action, I can likely prove you wrong on that and name ten evils done by democrats. I have no idea why you think what you said relates to my point about Al Gore sr and Bull Conner. Sometimes it seems like you quote something I say and then reply with something irrelevant because you’re upset by the truth.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:09 pmCherry picking and copy and pasting hardly proves your case.
If you are actually calling Al Gore sr a champion of civil rights, you are ignorant.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:11 pm“I think everyone knows that. Did you think it was not well known?”
Well dustin, folks round here have a problem understanding something as simple as a real interest rate. So once Goldwater gets trotted out as some civil rights hero….
But now, white supremacist dixiecrats who opposed the civil rights act, you think those guys are supporters of ‘civil rights’ ?
imdw (0275b8) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:14 pm“I think everyone knows that. Did you think it was not well known?”
Folks round here have a problem understanding something as simple as a model of a real interest rate. So once Goldwater gets trotted out as some civil rights hero….
But now, white supremacist dixiecrats who opposed the civil rights act, you think those guys were supporters of ‘civil rights’ when they joined Goldwater in opposing the civil rights act?
imdw (017d51) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:16 pmScreaming RACISM is the only arrow the leftists have left in their tired shriveled hairless quiver. It is pathetic, sad, and entirely predictable.
JD (b98cae) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:20 pmDustin, they are just messing with you. Or they are ignorant beyond belief.
Then again, Harry Reid was the one who, when asked about who he thought were America’s greatest living Americans, replied “Ted Kennedy” and “Robert Byrd.”
Yes, that Robert Byrd.
But he was in the KKK so long ago, it doesn’t count.
Except when it does.
They are just hypocritical trolls. And liars—like the weasel who continues to claim that someone else posted Patterico’s address under his name. Right.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:20 pmOh, I forgot:
Another genius posting here. Who knew? Yet that genius is someone who claims that other people posted under his name.
Liar.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:22 pmThis guy and Yelverton need to form a commune and braid each other’s hair, they are so smart.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:22 pm“They are just hypocritical trolls. And liars—like the weasel who continues to claim that someone else posted Patterico’s address under his name.”
I looked at the thread and it did not appear as if they used my handle.
imdw (017d51) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:23 pmSo, trollish one—why did Patterico put you in moderation? I love hearing trolls try to lie. So why not tell the truth?
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:30 pmbecause he thought it was me. Is this difficult for you?
imdw (0275b8) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:33 pm“I looked at the thread and it did not appear as if they used my handle.”
Because Patterico disappeared the comment?
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:35 pmI looked at the thread and it did not appear as if they used my handle.
Comment by imdw — 11/8/2010 @ 3:23 pm
Well…not sure what’s meant here. Isn’t that because the comment was immediately deleted since it contained Patterico’s address?
no one you know (72db9b) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:36 pm“Well…not sure what’s meant here. Isn’t that because the comment was immediately deleted since it contained Patterico’s address?”
I mean from the discussion. But I have asked if my handle was used.
“So, trollish one—why did Patterico put you in moderation? I love hearing trolls try to lie. So why not tell the truth?”
I think its because he thought it was me.
imdw (0275b8) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:40 pmDespite all the protestations of how darned smart he is, I want him to get caught in a lie involving our host.
If he has told the truth, no problem.
But we know that’s not so, of course.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:42 pm“Because Patterico disappeared the comment?”
No from the discussion.
“So, trollish one—why did Patterico put you in moderation? I love hearing trolls try to lie. So why not tell the truth?”
Because he thought it was me. I’ve explained that my theory is someone was using the same proxy service that I do.
imdw (79bb50) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:48 pmSorry daley, heh — too quick for me.
no one you know (72db9b) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:48 pm“No from the discussion.”
Wow, I remember your handle there.
daleyrocks (940075) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:50 pm“Wow, I remember your handle there.
Indeed, but it did not note that the comment had my handle on it.
imdw (79bb50) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:52 pmSo, my trollish friend who isn’t so very smart after all…
“Theory.” And here I thought that term applied to things other than trollishness.
Anyway:
1. You are claiming that YOU did NOT post Patterico’s address under ANY name whatsoever?
2. That you and Patterico have had this conversation, EXPLICITLY, and he lifted the moderation in response to your statements?
Be careful. Because folks are going to fact-check you.
This is because we know you are not precisely being truthful.
But by all means: tell all. The difference between us is that when I am wrong, I admit it. You? Not so much.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 11/8/2010 @ 3:58 pmSowe are all clear, it was sockpuppeting and using that as a defense that it was not imdw. There just happened to be another troll posting Patterico’s address, and that troll just happened to be using the same server as the one imdw was banned from previously, and the one it sockpuppeted from previously. All a coincidence.
JD (b98cae) — 11/8/2010 @ 4:06 pmI guess you need to be really, really smart to have that happen.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 11/8/2010 @ 4:07 pm1. Yup.
2. I do not claim this.
imdw (14df54) — 11/8/2010 @ 4:17 pm1. Yup.
2. I do not claim this one.
imdw (ce700c) — 11/8/2010 @ 4:18 pmI’m still amazed at the impact of West. They use arguments that wouldn’t relate to a white man. They post hundreds of words from wikipedia ‘proving’ an NAACP Republican must be racist and an author of poll taxes and Jim Crow laws is a civil rights champion.
They pretend it’s some kind of gift for blacks to be eternally grateful that they can vote and go to school with white people (as Al Gore Sr and Bobby Byrd roll in their coffins)… and that this is a gift from the very people who denied these sacred rights.
That is a tactical error. In the internet era, more people can see for themselves what the truth is. West plans to be so bold as to act as though he is the same as anyone else, and see the democrats froth with rage.
This man clearly thinks ahead.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/8/2010 @ 4:28 pmIn case other people don’t grasp what JD’s saying, there are so many proxy servers online the odds of one used by a career and nasty troll being reused in this one instance are very low.
It’s possible, sure. But when you claim an IP address the way imdw does, in order to evade bannings for nasty comments, you will be associated with everyone else your IP says.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/8/2010 @ 4:30 pmDustin – the likelihood that there are 2 douichebags trolling this siteand they just happen to be using the same proxy server is pretty small, tiny.
It could clear things up and quit hiding behind multiple names. Disclose all of the various names you have posted under to get around being banned.
JD (85b089) — 11/8/2010 @ 4:55 pmIndeed, it’s miniscule even if you don’t add in the fact that imdw actually behaves like crap sometimes and uses tons of different sockpuppets. He studiously ignored the question about which handles he’s used. I don’t mind him being anonymous, but I don’t see the reason for the subterfuge. He’s been banned a few times for cause, and it’s awfully suspicious that he had the same IP as the guy posting an address.
Frankly, if I were imdw, I would want to change handles too.
But what is really shown here is what the left’s sore spots are. If you want to get imdw nasty, show him a gay person or a woman or a minority who is conservative. Or show them what a sociopath George Soros and his cabal can be.
I don’t think the last page has been written on the media matters astroturf and propaganda scam, and I expect imdw will be part of the rest of the story. Perhaps just as a screaming jerk, though.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/8/2010 @ 5:01 pmSo, imdw, you are telling me that you haven’t discussed any of this with Patterico (I loved the faux-legal speech)? It’s really quite simple.
In other words, you are full of bovine excrement.
Troll.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 11/8/2010 @ 5:35 pmOf course, one could always run Tammy Bruce, on most things she’s to the right of Boadicea (Attila
justin cord (82637e) — 11/8/2010 @ 5:46 pmis so overrated in these comparisons)
faux legal?
imdw (fd3706) — 11/8/2010 @ 7:23 pmHow many names, and what are they?
JD (c8c1d2) — 11/8/2010 @ 7:28 pmMe wanna say, Republicans always be good to me. Yeah, good to me they was. So I be glad to make them happy because if they happy, me happy too.
Allen West (66746e) — 11/9/2010 @ 7:38 amThat sockpuppet is ridiculous and uncalled for. Likely a Moby.
JD (306f5d) — 11/9/2010 @ 7:41 amI not sockpuppeting, me wanna just say Republicans are great, always good to my people. This blog great too, I see ya love me as I love you and it make me glad.
Allen West (66746e) — 11/9/2010 @ 7:53 amThe diverse and tolerant leftists are so cute when they are engaging their inner racist.
JD (306f5d) — 11/9/2010 @ 8:08 amYou said it JD.
These attacks on West have been despicable. And West saw this coming 1000 miles away.
Nothing makes a certain breed of democrat more angry than one of the people they demand allegiance from acting as though they are actually equal.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/9/2010 @ 8:22 amNothing makes a certain breed of democrat more angry than one of the people they demand allegiance from acting as though they are actually equal
superiorI had to correct you there, Dustin. I’m sure we can both agree West is better.
Christoph (8ec277) — 11/9/2010 @ 8:25 amDustin – the most ironic part about it is that the cowardly racist doing that is the same kind of vile cretin that would call someone a racist for disagreeing with a leftist trope, opposing BarckyCare, etc …
JD (b98cae) — 11/9/2010 @ 8:37 amWe do agree on that. I’ve been scared to death of much milder situations than West has faced without shirking at all.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 11/9/2010 @ 8:37 amI put the strike tag on the wrong word, but you got the point.
Christoph (8ec277) — 11/9/2010 @ 8:39 am