Patterico's Pontifications

9/21/2010

Sarah Palin Running for President?

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:20 pm

Allahpundit says this video is a strong indication Sarah Palin is running in 2012:

I’ve enjoyed our amiable discussions about the Christine O’Donnell race, and I think the conservative blogosphere will be just that much more fun if Sarah Palin runs!

So I’m looking forward to it.

This may be a good time for a poll:


If Sarah Palin ran against Obama in 2012, would she win?
Yes
No
  
pollcode.com free polls

P.S. In other news, Christine O’Donnell is down 15 points. Ed Morrissey:

While there are six weeks to go before the general election, the prospect of movement does not look good from the internals. Thirteen percent of O’Donnell’s voters are not certain about their support, as opposed to only 8% of Coons voters. That seems to indicate a rather firm situation in polling. Also, 60% believe that O’Donnell is not qualified to be a Senator, while only 27% said the same about Coons.

Told you so!

174 Responses to “Sarah Palin Running for President?”

  1. Remember: I don’t necessary support Sarah Palin or Christine O’Donnell — but I support the idea of Christine O’Donnell and Sarah Palin. I support the ideal of what they could be, if they weren’t real people but instead walking embodiments of fiscal conservatism and common sense.

    My support for that is unwavering.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  2. I really don’t think she runs in 2012. 2016/2020 might be better options. Just don’t think she swings enough independents at this time.

    If she loses, she becomes irrelevant politically. I just think she’s smart enough to see it’s not her time……yet.

    the bhead (a31060)

  3. Come on, bhead. FEEL THE TEA PARTY FEEVAH!

    Seriously, if the wave that’s coming were to last until 2012, I think she would have a chance.

    Once people see that the new bunch of Senators and Congressman aren’t changing things much, we’ll probably have a repeat of 1996 after 1994.

    Obama will blame the Republicans for obstructionism, the media will back him up, and the public will fall for it. Just like in 1996.

    1994. Wasn’t it great?

    1996, not so much.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  4. Sarah Palin running for President would demonstrate how fundamentally unserious America is about solving our problems. Oh Good Allah, I beseech thee, I pray to all that is good and Holy and pure to not inflict this plague upon our country. That is all.

    JD (8ded14)

  5. Sexists piling on the women!

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  6. My opposition to Sarah Palin has nothing to do with her sex and everything to do with her fundamental lack of seriousness. Sadly, do I think she would be nominated easily? You betcha.

    JD (8ded14)

  7. I wonder how many people will actually click the “I told you so!” link.

    Blog readers aren’t so much clickers.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  8. I would be happy for Dana to be President, provided she quits chucking heels at me.

    JD (8ded14)

  9. Is it sex or gender? I always hear people correcting gender to sex. But I like gender. I like sex too, but — you know what I mean.

    I’ll have to look this one up, I will.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  10. I did not understand that link. Do you not express an opinion about electability about Palin when? I will help you with your predictions. She will get crushed.

    JD (8ded14)

  11. That damn poll is taking over my comments section.

    COMMENT HERE!!!

    It’s my fault; I’m doing it too.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  12. JD,

    I think I meant to be talking about expressing an opinion on O’Donnell’s electability, not Palin’s.

    I probably did express an opinion; I haven’t gone back to check. But I’m pretty sure I wasn’t on any kind of crusade or anything, like, say, Ace was.

    But I’m not sure whether it really matters whether I was on a crusade. The Narrative is that I was. And isn’t The Narrative really all that matters?

    Patterico (c218bd)

  13. Hehe. I like sex too but that seems beside the point… anywho, I’m concerned that O’Donnell is being molded in the Sarah image. They wear very suits of the same cut, their hair is similar, but what’s stranger yet, the choppy syntax of O’Donnell reminds me of Palin’s (not quite the same but that might be regional), but nonetheless, they are eerily similar.

    JD, I would only throw a shoe if it were well deserved.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  14. I will help you with your predictions. She will get crushed.

    Well, of course she will.

    But right now, 56% of Patterico readers say you’re wrong.

    Ya damn squish.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  15. I’ll leave with one parting thought.

    I just saw an add for the “Chiaobama”. “Yes we can” is on the side of the base. It is described as a way to honor the president and the country. You can get it at Amazon. I think it was advertised on a PBS station- I guess as some public service announcement.

    Maybe we can buy the rights to it, add batteries, a button, and a speaker, and have it repeat some of the most memorable quotes, such as 57 states.

    And JD says Palin isn’t serious. Well, if she wins she will get her own ChiaPalin, and it will have to grow longer hair, so there!!!!

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  16. Would the idea of Sarah Palin lose, JD?

    That’s the important thing.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  17. “I’ll have to look this one up, I will.

    Comment by Patterico”

    Words have gender. People have a sex.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  18. If Palin won, I would consider traveling to Washington D.C. for the inauguration.

    aunursa (dd38d2)

  19. For someone that is trying to get past the past altercations, you seem rather intent on stirring them up 😉

    JD (8ded14)

  20. Well, the English language isn’t made of portland cement and diamonds. So I guess gender means whatever the hell people want it to.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  21. For someone that is trying to get past the past altercations, you seem rather intent on stirring them up 😉

    I’m the only one who is!

    Patterico (c218bd)

  22. aunursa-
    I bet you and everyone else would leave DC looking much neater than in 2008.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  23. After weeks of solid Senate movement to the Republicans across the board, O’Donnell gets nominated and Delaware, Washington, West Virginia and California all tip Democrat the following week.

    9/14: Senate 47D-46R-7tu
    9/21: Senate 51D-45R-4tu

    Kind of makes you wonder who the RINOs are.

    see Rasmussen

    Kevin (298030)

  24. If Palin won, I would consider traveling to Washington D.C. for the inauguration.

    Because you are that pro-Palin, or the first woman President thing, or the circus factor?

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  25. They went from toss-up to lean Dem, which is rather less drastic than you let on in your comment. All of them are right on the edge of the margin of error.

    JD (8ded14)

  26. Sorry, but this “the idea of” bull[expletive deleted] is the kind of thing that pisses me off.

    We’re all in favor of the idea of Christine O’Donnell, for Christ’s sakes, if by that you mean the dream woman what is fiscally conservative and what opposes the dirty socialist policies and what doesn’t lie lie lie about her past election results and what has no stupid mice quotes and what never had any tasty muffins on a bloodstained Satanic altar.

    It makes me sound like Grandpa to say, we don’t get to vote for the IDEA of a candidate. We have to vote for that person. But guess [frustrated expletive deleted]ing what? It’s true.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  27. ITs the Rino test all over again

    (With apologies to the inquisition/Salem bunch_

    IF you vote sometimes against the party to preserve your seat to preserve the party mnajority – you are burned at the Rinocue

    If you vote for the party, you are burned at the ballocue

    EPWJ (17f94c)

  28. The preceding message was funded by crazy party money, I’d be willing to bet.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  29. Would the idea of Sarah Palin lose, JD?

    That’s the important thing.

    Comment by Patterico —

    I think some of her support is meant to win a culture battle. It’s meant to stop the idea that a Palin (the idea of Palin, a normal mom yet powerful politico, pro life, heart on sleeve, kinda unslick) is not as worthy as an elite.

    I think a Palin campaign would be a very strange thing. My guess is that she’d win, and my guess is that she’s going to take the nomination. She’d win the primary in Delaware, for example. How do you compete with that?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  30. “Sorry, but this “the idea of” bull[expletive deleted] is the kind of thing that pisses me off.”

    Patterico – Calm down, it’s not about purity, it’s about principles!

    HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

    daleyrocks (940075)

  31. “FEEL THE TEA PARTY FEEVAH!”

    LET’S PLAY TWO!!!!!!!!!

    daleyrocks (940075)

  32. I conclude that sex and gender are different to the social scientists, but interchangeable in everyday speech. And I’m a big one for everyday speech — where “sex” strikes me as a jarring word (at times) for the concept that I generally use the word “gender” to refer to.

    I think a number of you were awaiting my ruling, so I wanted to get that out as quickly as possible.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  33. Dustin, I think a lot of her support, not just some is meant to win a culture battle. And I think that is why so many are easily able brush over the weaknesses.

    Also after witnessing the brutal treatment of her by the MSM during the campaign, she rose up as an almost mythical victim/warrior for the average joe which clearly has an immense appeal.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  34. Gender is a construct, and can be changed by willing it to be so, or having your crank cut off. Or, Lady Gaga.

    JD (8ded14)

  35. I can already feel the slogans coming on:

    PALIN:
    She was born in this country
    She’s not a Muslim
    She’s not a socialist
    She won’t sit down with terrorists
    She won’t apologize for America
    She thinks America is exceptional
    She doesn’t think you’re a racist because you disagree with her

    The possibilities are endless!

    daleyrocks (940075)

  36. daley,

    As I ranted on the other thread (perhaps frightening Levi with the impression I was directing my rant at him), it’s wonderful to expound on the importance of sticking to your principles. Hell, I’m for principles too. The question is what you mean by that.

    I already discussed, to resounding silence, the fact is that “losing more slowly” by fighting a conventional war may be preferable to losing ten elections and watching our Constitution be shredded beyond all recognition by generations of Steve Reinhardt clones with seats on that court what sits across from the Capitol.

    Both alternatives suck, frankly. Is the current wave the Way Out of this morass? I’d love to think so. But I just can’t make myself believe it.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  37. I’m having fun talking like happyfeet tonight. I see the attraction of it.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  38. But for the economic blowout, Obama would have lost the election.

    He’s not a very good candidate. Much of what made him a good candidate is gone. No blank slate. The 2012 election should be about Obama. It might seem like Palin will make it about Palin, but it will still be about Obama.

    I want to note all those positives, such as Palin’s physical appearance, her ability to make an effective attack, her survival of a vicious attack… and that many of the attacks on her will be old news in 2012.

    But can she overcome this resignation? I read her book. I don’t hold the resignation against her. I think she did the right thing. But the public will hold it against her. It’s a bite size narrative that conveys erratic, stupid, unreliable, unprepared, weak… etc etc.

    So it’s the battle of the negatives. Obamanomics trumps resignation.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  39. “Hell, I’m for principles too. The question is what you mean by that.”

    Defining shit is tough. Not many takers on the ten elections in the wilderness. So much for principles.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  40. If we would just focus on having better people seek these positions, we would not get such horrible choices which inevitably leads to Team R people and people that vote for Team R because Team D is way worse arguing.

    JD (8ded14)

  41. Gender neutral…gender politics…gender identity…gender feminism….gender equality.

    Sometimes it’s just a relief to simply say ‘sex’.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  42. Right now, Palin actually comes across better and more serious in her Facebook posts than she does when she goes on Fox, especially with Hannity, who tends to lead her into safe places where she overuses the same talking points and buzzwords (I’m begging you Sarah, please give Bernie Goldberg back his “Lamestream Media” phrase and let him keep it for himself at least until 2013).

    She has given some good speeches in friendly environments, but really needs to stretch herself on the interview front before next fall, if she does plan to run, because while the others who enter the presidential primary aren’t going to treat her with the same disrespect the Democrats and the big media do, they also aren’t going to pass up the chance to try and reinforce her image of not having all her political positions well thought out (and yes, Obama’s way worse when it comes to not thinking things out or even caring about a ton of issues, but he didn’t have a hostile media pushing that meme for the past two years — the public’s pretty much had to figure that one out for itself. With Palin, it would be a matter of her GOP challengers trying to bring back the image the media and Dems harped on in 2008 in order to make voters wary that she could stand up to the withering attacks she would face in the general election).

    John (e3fdad)

  43. Giving the American people a choice between Barcky and Palin would be like giving us the choice between getting kicked in the teeth, or kicked in the ‘nads.

    JD (8ded14)

  44. “Sometimes it’s just a relief to simply say ‘sex’.”

    Dana – Just finished making online plane reservations. They asked me to specify a gender. I was disappointed to note they only provided two choices.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  45. Am I really supposed to get excited about this Mexicans were here in the 1700s thing from Obama?

    There were no Americans before 1776 and anyone who talks about what Americans did in 1750 is an idiot?

    I thought about doing a post pretending that O’Donnell said it, and then erecting a big defense of the statement and such, and then having a guy lean in and whisper in my ear that Obama actually said it, and then declaring it stupid.

    But my heart wasn’t in it. Hell, I’m probably trolling you people plenty with this post alone.

    Really, I’m just sick of obvious double standards, where the same thing is mockable when your opponent says it and defensible when your guy says it. I just don’t have that spin in me. I’m not getting paid enough for that sort of nonsense.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  46. No blank slate. The 2012 election should be about Obama

    It was very telling this week when the African American woman got up and told the President that she was “tired of defending him and his administration”. Her frustration was apparent, and she had a been a loyalist from Day One. I think there are going to be a whole lot more frustrated loyalists out there come election time. They bought the bells and whistles, voted for the pie in the sky only to find out reality bites and in fact, might even much worse than when that other guy was in office.

    I’m curious as to whether this will be another ‘post-racial’ election like the last one where 90% of African-Americans voted for him… How much frustration equals a break of loyalty?

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  47. I predict here and now that Palin won’t run in 2012.

    She’s found a nice niche in politics traveling the country, making speeches, and endorsing candidates, sort of a Karl Rove with principles.

    pk (68ed4b)

  48. John’s right. Palin looks like a wimp on FNC. She’s playing it safe, and I understand the notion. I really do think she wins the nomination unless something major goes wrong for her, so she is just avoiding the potential.

    And democrats have benefited from this idea for ages, and it actually seems to work. A lot of people don’t seem to mind so much that democrats look like wimps on fawning network interviews. It’s so lame, though.

    people that vote for Team R because Team D is way worse

    Maybe this is just a given in our 2 party system (that I like, btw). A tent large enough to win is going to be full of people who object to some of the policies of the major candidate, but prefers them to the other team.

    I remember Dubya. A terrific governor with huge responsibilities and a great record prior to running for prez. And a very good aisle crosser, too. I think the left would have hated him less if he had been a bad person or a die hard conservative. This ‘the other team is worse’ is the cornerstone of American politics and will be protected by powerful forces.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  49. “I’m not getting paid enough for that sort of nonsense.”

    Look on the bright side, there’s always masturbation and witches to fall back on in a pinch.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  50. But your double standard is alright? You are skewering O’Donnell over an obvious gaffe, and breezily dismissing the same or worse from Barcky, Biden, etc … So, either they are all fodder for jokes and derision, or they all are not. 😉

    JD (8ded14)

  51. Dana: Because you are that pro-Palin, or the first woman President thing, or the circus factor?

    Mostly because I admire her.

    aunursa (dd38d2)

  52. Giving the American people a choice between Barcky and Palin would be like giving us the choice between getting kicked in the teeth, or kicked in the ‘nads.

    Comment by JD

    I don’t get it. Palin’s hardly a Paul Ryan intellect or communicator. She doesn’t have anywhere near the experience of a pre 2000 Bush.

    But the choice between Obama and Palin would be stark. One of them has a bona fide record of transparency and corruption fighting, of cutting a budget, of patriotism, sanity on energy policy.

    There’s been a terrible trend, since JFK was elected, and if you ever figure out a way to thwart it, sign me up to help you. But Palin could be a decent president.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  53. But your double standard is alright? You are skewering O’Donnell over an obvious gaffe, and breezily dismissing the same or worse from Barcky, Biden, etc … So, either they are all fodder for jokes and derision, or they all are not.

    I’m making fun of all of it.

    I think I am applying the same standard to each that I would apply whether they had an R or a D after them. It’s just that the thing you call an obvious gaffe, I happen to think is symptomatic of a deep ditziness. You clearly don’t. The fact that we disagree about that does not equal double standard.

    Do a thought experiment and really try to imagine the 57 states thing or the J-O-B-S thing said by O’Donnell. OK? SHE is the one who said it. Your reaction?

    Patterico (c218bd)

  54. And by the way, I think Biden is a fucking idiot and always have. So where’s the double standard there?

    Patterico (c218bd)

  55. And yes, it’s a good point that Delaware always forgave him HIS idiocy. But I think that’s because he was THEIR KIND of idiot — a left-leaning idiot.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  56. I am not sure this video is the proof of it… but i believe she is running.

    I would be curious about the results of a different poll. Who would you rather vote for in 2012?

    Barrack Obama
    A ham sandwich

    I am guessing the food would win. i mean it does something useful, after all.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  57. Oh, she would be better than Barcky, but that is a wildly low standard. We should demand more from Team R.

    JD (8ded14)

  58. But Palin could be a decent president.

    She would kick ass compared to Obama, because ultimately she would make conservative decisions, and those are generally the right ones, so if she’s not the absolute sharpest at dealing with the media her governing would be fine. She might suck at foreign policy but she couldn’t suck worse than Barry. I’d vote for her in a heartbeat over that guy. Of course! But I’m a committed wingnut.

    She would lose.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  59. “Also, 60% believe that O’Donnell is not qualified to be a Senator, while only 27% said the same about Coons”

    People actually think someone has to be qualified to be Senator… after the ones we have now, you’d think that would be debunked.

    Lord Nazh (ad60d6)

  60. So Patterico likes the idea of a cool car in the driveway so he can go pick-up a hottie first date and get laid at the Hollywood Bowl. He just doesn’t like the fact that it is a Yellow Dodge Dart.

    Eh, I get it but as my father would respond get over it and take the keys.

    ** Love the sourpuss Republicans who lose the Primaries and then run as Independents. Uber Alles in deed and exactly what irritates many dinner-table republicans.

    Heavensent (e230a5)

  61. But if Biden were a woman and made the same idiotic statement, would (s)he be as forgiven? I don’t think so. Joe is an everyman sort of man with an easy charm hence high likability factor that plays well to both genders sexes men and women. O’Donnell doesn’t. And most women don’t typically have that sort of quality. There’s an extra component to the double-standard besides just R & D.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  62. Hillary used some psychic to channel the spirit of Elanor Roosevelt, no? Good Allah.

    A freaking sitting President does not even know the history of our country, and either did not think it important, or chose to note say the part about being endowed by our Creator.

    Crap sammiches suck.

    JD (8ded14)

  63. #58 Only reason 60% say that about O’Donnell is 99.789% of the negative media coverage is on her.

    Anyone going to bother to cover Pet Boy?

    Heavensent (e230a5)

  64. JD, I will concede that the “dumb as a post” line might have been a bit much. A bit. Just a bit.

    I don’t know. It all reminds me of a story that I don’t feel I can tell because who knows, the person might read the blog some day and recognize their own self. But the gist of it was that the person said x, and I thought to myself, wow, I knew you weren’t the absolute sharpest tack, but really? x???

    Maybe I’m being hypercritical. I can tell some think so here. But I swear if you switched the D and the R y’all would be sniggering all day long at this stuff.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  65. You could swear that, but you would be wrong.

    JD (8ded14)

  66. Oh, she would be better than Barcky, but that is a wildly low standard. We should demand more from Team R.

    Comment by JD

    Amen, brother.

    There is a real risk that Palin would have a hard time, similar to how Bush had a hard time from around Katrina onward, that would hamper her ability to generate political capital and get an agenda through congress.

    That actually sounds like good news to some extent. A broken legislative process is better than what we have now.

    I think how Palin would campaign, and how the democrats feel about Obama, are somewhat unpredictable factors.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  67. You know what really pisses me off? Delaware only giving their voters the choice between O’Donnell and Castle.

    JD (8ded14)

  68. There is a risk of that?! That is like calling the Atlantic Ocean a puddle, or a pond.

    JD (8ded14)

  69. You know what really pisses me off? Delaware only giving their voters the choice between O’Donnell and Castle.

    …. which is exactly why much of this noise is about not much at all.

    There was choice. They took the best one given the “conservative” fever of the day.

    Heavensent (e230a5)

  70. So Patterico likes the idea of a cool car in the driveway so he can go pick-up a hottie first date and get laid at the Hollywood Bowl. He just doesn’t like the fact that it is a Yellow Dodge Dart.

    Eh, I get it but as my father would respond get over it and take the keys.

    Sure. It’s a good point as far as it goes. What you may not be following is the part where this dude is saying: I don’t want to talk about the Dodge Dart. I want to talk about the idea of the car that gets you laid. I’m all in favor of that!!! Don’t bother me with this Dodge Dart stuff!

    Well, guess what? You gotta confront the fact that in real life, you get the Dodge Dart. So: you want it or not? Stop talking about the idea of the sexmobile and tell me if you’re driving this vehicle or not.

    Actually, in a way you and I are saying the same thing, I think. I’m just a touch more worried than you are that the car is going to break down on La Brea just north of the 10 and I’m going to get mugged by a bunch of crackheads because the locks don’t work and my cell phone battery is dead.

    See what I mean?

    Patterico (c218bd)

  71. This is yet another reason on my growing list of Reasons Why JD Will Not Live in Delaware.

    JD (8ded14)

  72. You could swear that, but you would be wrong.

    I’m right, but “y’all” may not encompass you.

    But I’m right. Oh, how I’m right.

    Remember, JD: there are two choices. Either I’m right or I’m right.

    Don’t fight it, my friend.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  73. Patterico

    > Do a thought experiment and really try to imagine the 57 states thing or the J-O-B-S thing said by O’Donnell. OK? SHE is the one who said it. Your reaction?

    i actually missed the JOBS thing, so i am not sure what i would say if a D did it because i am not 100% sure what it was.

    As for 57 states, i wouldn’t be laughing but maybe a facepalm? i would consider a gaffe, but my reaction would be dismay, not laughter.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  74. Anyone going to bother to cover Pet Boy?

    I did this post about him. It was one more post than I see on many of the blogs what say we have to do posts about him.

    Did you see it? What was your opinion? I will go look for your comment on that post. It got all of 80 comments so you know people LOVED the firing down range (as opposed to ANY O’Donnell thread, which people hate to hear about and where the comments run into the 200-300 range).

    I’ll go look for your response, HeavenSent. brb

    Patterico (c218bd)

  75. Here was the post about Pet Boy, HeavenSent.

    I can’t find your comment on it, saying thanks, Patterico, for the post about Pet Boy!

    Did you even see it?

    No. Nobody cares.

    Ace linked it and the comments were overrun with HUNDREDS of people talking about O’Donnell. I think maybe three people mentioned my post in the whole thing.

    Let’s face it. A lot of you guys like demanding posts about Coons. But you don’t like READING posts about Coons.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  76. Patterico,

    I can’t live the moment worried about the engine block giving out on La Brea.

    The time to worry was when you blew your news paper route money on the front row tickets to the Depeche Mode concert instead of fixing the car or getting a better one.

    …. so …. I am not one to argue too much when things are going the right way even if not exactly the way I want. As I tell my employees, “point noted, let us move on.”

    Heavensent (e230a5)

  77. There are times I am tempted to get discouraged with the blogging thing.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  78. Whoa, that metaphor is getting REALLY extended!!! I am going to have to think about that one.

    I would never spend money on Depeche Mode, btw. What a load of crap they were.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  79. I blame Cromwell for this. Not Thomas — he had Anglo-Saxon rutting; not James (the guy who sung to Babe); but Oliver. The English Reformation impoverished the language, making it unacceptable to use good, solid, worthy, expressive Anglo-Saxon words; or to do as Shakespeare did: make up words that just feel right.

    We have to look to other languages for help; Dutch, for example: gender is geslacht, but sex is sexx.

    Thus:

    I got lucky last night.
    Sex?
    Sexx.
    Good?
    Sexxx.
    Ah — great.

    Or for those so oriented:

    I got lucky last night.
    Sex?
    Sexy.
    Good?
    Sey.
    Sorry.

    If you polled by party ID: would Dems be more in favor of her running than Republicans?

    You betcha.

    shooter (32dc25)

  80. Patterico,

    I read it. My comment was more-so geared at the other 99.89% of the US population who doesn’t read your blog. Or the 0.025% of the US Population who actually get paid to write about this but aren’t.

    And by the way, Levin did you a big favor, your numbers seem up. Even if he is a douchebag. G’luck with the money thing.

    Heavensent (e230a5)

  81. JD, if you think Palin would lose an election against Obama, you have failed to pay any attention to what she says and too much attention to what others have to say about her. She is the only Republican who can fill a stadium or any venue she speaks at. She speaks a language everyone understands. If she runs, she wins.

    Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (f5c350)

  82. She would kick ass compared to Obama, because ultimately she would make conservative decisions, and those are generally the right ones, so if she’s not the absolute sharpest at dealing with the media her governing would be fine. She might suck at foreign policy but she couldn’t suck worse than Barry. I’d vote for her in a heartbeat over that guy. Of course! But I’m a committed wingnut.

    She would lose.

    Comment by Patterico — 9/21/2010 @ 9:38 pm

    I wouldn’t go all out and say 26 months out that it’s a dead solid lock Palin would lose, because in the end the 2012 election is going to be about Obama. But she does have a tougher threshold among moderate swing voters to convincing them she can be president, and conversely less room for gaffes because of her fragile reputation with the swing voters.

    Remember, Reagan didn’t win over the swing voters completely until the final 10 days of the 1980 election. He ended up winning a blowout over Carter, but through mid-October the polls (assuming the internals weren’t unfairly weighted towards the Democrats) showed a close race. The debate performance is what most people agree put Reagan over the top, but of course Reagan went into the debate with 40-plus years experience appearing before and talking to the public.

    Which is why Palin would be smart, if she does plan to run, to toughen up her interviewers over the next year, and defend her ideas and positions in other venues besides the friendly confines of Fox News. In the end, if she runs and wins the nomination, the big media’s still going to trash her, but the debates will be her main chance to convince the swing voters the media is as wrong about her as they were when they trashed Reagan 30 years ago.

    John (e3fdad)

  83. JD

    > You know what really pisses me off? Delaware only giving their voters the choice between O’Donnell and Castle.

    You know someone, and I wish I remembered who, said that O’Donnell represented the failure of republican leadership. The fact was Castle was a bit ridiculous as a choice, palling around with soros, voting for cap and tax, suggesting he was not interested in repealing obamacare. If the leadership in Delaware was smart they would have recognized that the party wanted a better conservative than castle and found one without O’Donnell’s problems. Instead they tried to shove castle down their throats and they gagged on it and picked o’donnell instead.

    I think some of the negativity has been silly and unfair. I still don’t care that she dabbled in witchcraft or was anti-masturbation (which is ironic because I am pretty sure a lot of liberals are inspired to do so looking at her).. Getting a news story wrong is, well, at least it is a more substantive concern. Misrepresenting her past is more troubling. But when you stack it against Coons, this is not even hard in my book.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  84. Yeah Depeche Mode sucked but the point I really was making was the time to worry about Christine O’Donnell is not now. If she fails, she gets tossed with the trash on November 3.

    …. or to put it differently — if the hottie don’t respond in the Dart, then you start planning for the sweet yellow Gremlin upgrade with tinted windows ……

    The bigger issues to me are

    1) Go right Republicans — give Americans a choice
    2) Republican Party should find and develop Center-Right Candidates who can talk to dinner table issues.

    Anyway.

    Heavensent (e230a5)

  85. Levin didn’t do shit for me. Frankly, I think numbers are temporarily up because I did get a lot of links on the Coons post, and the Big Government link persists.

    So there’s that at least.

    I found it sort of astounding that Instapundit didn’t link it. It had bashing the Dem in a hot race; regulatory overreach; and media bias. What’s not to like. But I got links from Malkin, Hot Air, Breitbart, the Corner, freaking everyone except him.

    Shrug.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  86. What Levin did was leave a lingering impression in the minds of skimmers who weren’t paying attention that he was righteously laying into me for my position on O’Donnell.

    When it had nothing to do with that, and everything to do with him fucking up the facts.

    But you have be paying attention to understand that.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  87. And for the record, I am pro-masturbation and I loved ditzy chicks who were into teenage witch-craft.

    Pretty sure we ex-consultants (still in rehab) would call that “low hanging fruit.”

    Heavensent (e230a5)

  88. If you polled by party ID: would Dems be more in favor of her running than Republicans?

    You betcha.

    Comment by shooter

    Granted, Palin is less moderate. Kinda obvious point that she will have a harder time.

    However, this is a parroting of a talking point. Who, shooter, would you be unhappy to see the GOP nominate?

    O’Donnell’s a blatant example of the electability argument, but it’s not quite the same in this case. If Obama can beat Palin, he can beat Jindal. He can probably beat Romney and Huckabee, too.

    Palin’s just better known right now.

    We should go for the most conservative/ethical who can win. That implies a trade off. The more polar, the harder it is to win. Dems who only care about winning elections will hope the GOP picks a very ethical and conservative person. Dems who care about progressive policies will be more conflicted on this.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  89. Zelsdorf Ragshaft III,

    Did Castle vote for the stimulus?

    I will never again see your name on this site without asking that question.

    Until you answer it.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  90. No such thing as bad publicity Patterico.

    Unless of course the word “rats” and “Taco Bell” intersect in a paragraph.

    But you get the point.

    Heavensent (e230a5)

  91. And for the record, I am pro-masturbation and I loved ditzy chicks who were into teenage witch-craft.

    Cool. Ever picnic on a bloodstained Satanic altar?

    Patterico (c218bd)

  92. No such thing as bad publicity Patterico.

    Unless of course the word “rats” and “Taco Bell” intersect in a paragraph.

    But you get the point.

    How about if the publicity is a swarm of people who share your political beliefs who have been lied to about your position?

    I have spent 2+ years getting that type of “publicity” and I am ready to dispute the correctness of that platitude.

    Patterico (c218bd)


  93. We should go for the most conservative/ethical who can win.

    Are you talking the person? Or the IDEA of the person?

    Me, I like voting for the IDEA of someone. I just don’t want get locked into defending the actual person. Too real life for me!

    Principles!!!

    Patterico (c218bd)

  94. #90. Picnic would not be the right verb to use without the adjective bacchanalian inserted somewhere in the sentence to describe said activities.

    Heavensent (e230a5)

  95. We should go for the most conservative/ethical who can win.

    Are you talking the person? Or the IDEA of the person?

    LOL.

    I’m boorish enough to take a joke seriously; I usually am willing to vote for the idea. Even though this seems perverse, I’m really voting for a mandate, agenda, advisors, direction. The actual president is not going to measure up.

    In extreme cases, such as the candidate being dishonest or ridiculous, I can’t make this leap. So the actual person a campaign pretends to stand for can kill my support, but it’s the idea that wins it. I hope I’m not being too unclear.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  96. #91, Patterico, the higher up you go — the more lies people tell about you. Use the incident to advance your BRAND.

    Heavensent (e230a5)

  97. Pace yourself guys – you got 6 weeks to go plus about 3 weeks of post election adnaseum

    EPWJ (17f94c)

  98. Pace yourself guys – you got 6 weeks to go plus about 3 weeks of post election adnaseum

    Comment by EPWJ

    Naw.

    You Decide 2020

    Jenna Bush / Bristol Palin vs Chelsea Clinton / Malia Obama

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  99. #97 Hotties versus Coyote Arm.

    Heavensent (e230a5)

  100. __________________________________________

    You know someone, and I wish I remembered who, said that O’Donnell represented the failure of republican leadership.

    I place more of the blame on O’Donnell for pushing herself — and her big ego — into the spotlight, and, in turn, a large number of conservative voters in Delaware for not doing their homework. But I’m assuming they didn’t go into the voting booth grumbling “O’Donnell is pathetic and she shouldn’t have been on the ballot, but that goes double for Castle!”

    Mark (3e3a7c)

  101. O’Donnell showed more evidence of her vacuousness today when she was given a written question about what role “czars” should play in our government.

    Obviously she was stumped for an answer so someone “sympathetic” referred her to the Article and Section of the Constitution that prohibits titles of nobility. She then answered in a completely earnest manner that the appointment of “czars” was unconstitutional.

    shipwreckedcrew (436eab)

  102. #91, Patterico, the higher up you go — the more lies people tell about you. Use the incident to advance your BRAND.

    There have been multiple incidents, and multiple lies. Maybe I can be forgiven for thinking the ratio of lies to “height” has been rather high in my case, for reasons that could take a book to explain. (That book being the DSM-IV, and I ain’t talkin’ about myself.)

    Patterico (c218bd)

  103. Sorry. I was given crazy party money to say that.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  104. Does equivalent retaliation work in an asylum?

    I think someone gave me bad advice somewhere down the line.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  105. Defining shit is tough. Not many takers on the ten elections in the wilderness. So much for principles.

    It’s hyperbole. Like the fully-formed human brains in mice.

    True Conservatives don’t say stupid things. It’s axiomatic. If they said it, it must not be stupid.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  106. Dustin @ 87:

    Who, shooter, would you be unhappy to see the GOP nominate?

    Pence.

    IMHO the Values Voters got this right. He comes across authoritarian, but he doesnt exude the sense of being a know-it-all. He’s extremely disciplined about message; he has a good-to-exceptional sense of when to stop, when to shut up and where not to go. Even when he screws up, you can almost feel his effort to avoid doing so, and very often its that feeling that persists, that is, his actual intent rather than the words. He shows up, which is a big part of the job (John Boehner, for example, in contrast.) He’s unapologetically persistent: I’ve seen him make some boneheaded mistakes on policy orthodoxy and mechanics, but then face up to screwing up and get right back on that horse. He seems clean of hidden scandal; if that’s wrong, I’d be surprised (Don’t underestimate that: it takes a lot to surprise Dems about what Republicans are capable of in their private lives.).

    I’ve heard and read other Dems say he’s not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree, but neither were Truman, Ike, Reagan or Bush, and superior raw intellect doesn’t seem to be doing Obama any more good than it did Carter (who, I remind you, was a hobby peanut farmer, and in fact a nuclear engineer, quite involved in the post-WWII nuclear program on behalf of the Navy.). It takes persistence, grit: Clinton was (is) smart as a whip, but he did some awfully foolish things, and then only succeeded by hanging in there when he was in tough.

    I thinks it’s worthwhile considering what serious academic studies say about success (Jonah Lehrer wrote a piece on this in a piece thats in this years Best Science Writing: http://tiny.cc/jlywe); its far more a matter of superior grit than marginally greater intelligence. In his own wimpy English awkward way, Tony Blair says it about Bush in his recent memoir.

    I also think this is one of those rare moments in history when being a lowly House rep is actually an advantage.

    I’m inclined to think Mitt Romney is smarter than any of the other likelies (maybe even smarter than Obama, and if so the only one), but a large part of the religious right won’t be able to get over his being Mormon (which to me is silly: it’s no worse a religion than any of the others, excluding Buddhism maybe.), his name is a synonym for blatant pandering, he’s got a record for liberal policies that I can’t seem him explaining to conservatives, he’s an absolutely terrible liar (I don’t mean he lies any more than anyone else; and in a cock-eyed way, it’s kind of admirable: he’s just so transparent, he can’t convince anyone of his sincerity. It’s an unfortunate paradox and maybe the worst possible one for a politician.), and he has nothing but weaknesses where Pence has strengths.

    If it looks from this like Dems would be most concerned about Romney, I actually think thats true. The reason I’m not is because I don’t see him winning nomination.

    If you asked me which among the likely candidates for the Republican nomination I would prefer as president, I say without hesitation: Romney. He’s thoroughly unprincipled, which puts him in the same group as Nixon and Clinton, each of whom was quite successful at the job but with a bad hiccup. Indeed, if Romney somehow got the nomination, I think he eventually would join those two in facing impeachment, maybe even for something he didn’t actually do but just won’t be able to get anyone to believe he didn’t.

    But really: if the economy is the same as now or worse going into the summer of 2012, Elmer Fudd could beat Obama.

    shooter (32dc25)

  107. In 2006, Rudy and Hillary were favored to be the matchup in 2008.
    IMO there are a lot of center left Democrats and a lot of independents who could go with Mitch Daniels or even Gingrich. Very few of them would go with Palin. Without some of them she simply cannot win. I could see a flip of the 2000 election where Obama gets a smaller popular vote but gets the 270 electoral votes.

    I still think there may be a 10% chance Hillary challenges Obama and wins. Make Powell or Bayh her VP pick and she cruises in a landslide against Palin.

    VOR2 (8c0f53)

  108. The scenario VOR2 thought up will NEVER happen.

    Icy Texan (3c7e3d)

  109. Icy Texan,
    I only give it a 10% chance for Hillary running.
    As for Palin being the nominee you may find this Beinhart op-ed a little more interesting than my predictions :)

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-20/palin-the-gops-mcgovern/

    VOR2 (8c0f53)

  110. Elmer Fudd could certainly provide stronger leadership than we are getting from Obama – the man doggedly pursues his goals, despite any setbacks. He would have to overcome the tendency of wascally wepowtehs asking questions containing lots of awahs in them, though.

    Adjoran (ec6a4b)

  111. Fudd was focused

    EPWJ (17f94c)

  112. Tyro upsets status quo and gets selected to run for an office held by a well known and predictable incumbent.

    Political pundits, who rely on past predictions for ‘street cred’ (which they parlay into remuneration) feel threatened and attack said Tyro claiming she’s unsuitable or unqualified for office. (gee sound like anyone we know from say, Alaska in 2008?)

    Bloggers, who also feel threatened by new electoral paradigm and who also want to be seen as equal to the Political Pundits (cause they also can parlay predictive accuracy into remuneration) jump on the bandwagon of criticism and sly sneers.

    This drumbeat of put downs and spinning of past comments by said tyro (BY THOSE THE TYRO WOULD THINK WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ON HER SIDE OF THE BASHING) becomes insistent and consistent enough that those who weren’t paying attention begin to have doubts about their vote or who they should vote for in said election.

    Thus we find the Tyro down by 15 points against an avowed anti american marxist (who is the supposed ideological opposite of the said Political Pundits and Bloggers).

    And what becomes the Headline: WE TOLD YOU SO!

    Having had a hand in CAUSING THE THE GAP they crow about how they were right.

    Pathetic.

    jakee308 (e1996a)

  113. Tyro upsets status quo and gets selected to run for an office held by a well known and predictable incumbent.

    Political pundits, who rely on past predictions for ‘street cred’ (which they parlay into remuneration) feel threatened and attack said Tyro claiming she’s unsuitable or unqualified for office. (gee sound like anyone we know from say, Alaska in 2008?)

    Bloggers, who also feel threatened by new electoral paradigm and who also want to be seen as equal to the Political Pundits (cause they also can parlay predictive accuracy into remuneration) jump on the bandwagon of criticism and sly sneers.

    This drumbeat of put downs and spinning of past comments by said tyro (BY THOSE THE TYRO WOULD THINK WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ON HER SIDE OF THE BASHING) becomes insistent and consistent enough that those who weren’t paying attention begin to have doubts about their vote or who they should vote for in said election.

    Thus we find the Tyro down by 15 points against an avowed anti american marxist (who is the supposed ideological opposite of the said Political Pundits and Bloggers).

    And what becomes the Headline: WE TOLD YOU SO!

    Having had a hand in CAUSING THE GAP they crow about how they were right.

    Pathetic.

    jakee308 (e1996a)

  114. Comment by jakee308 — 9/22/2010 @ 3:54 am

    So let me get this straight. Bloggers and pundits should not be renumerated for the effort they put into their work and should be willing to parrot the popular line as a service to the cause.
    And a new electoral paradigm exists due to the results in some primaries?
    Does that about sum up your rant?

    When objective analysis is discouraged and blind partisanship is encouraged that seems a little more Marxist than any of your implications about Coons being an “avowed Marxist”.

    VOR2 (c9795e)

  115. After all the attention the tea party is getting, would the GOP really nominate a candidate that supported TARP?

    imdw (2020d4)

  116. “I can already feel the slogans coming on:

    PALIN:
    She was born in this country”

    PALIN: 2012-2014

    imdw (2020d4)

  117. Or a sign could read

    PALIN

    “still proud of her country”

    or

    PALIN

    “no lectures just tax cuts”

    EPWJ (17f94c)

  118. I hope Palin doesn’t run. She’s not ready.

    I have fiercely defended Sarah Palin against slander, sexism, and extremely personal insults and attacks on my own blog, in leftist and conservative blogs, on LSM message boards, with two YouTube videos, and on Facebook and Twitter. But she’s not ready.

    Ideally, she wasn’t supposed to even think about setting up shop in the Oval Office any sooner than 2016, when she would have been termed out of her position as Vice President in the McCain administration. She would have had under her belt eight years of meeting dignitaries dressed in black, being the attack dog for the White House, and doing whatever they would have her do to show she was qualified to do the “bucket-of-warm-[spit]” job while McCain did the heavy lifting. As someone who hadn’t finished a full term as Alaska governor (but left it in pretty good shape), that’s what it would take to make her seem Presidential.

    As we know, none of that happened. While she is a power broker and an immensely popular figure on the political scene, that’s not enough for someone without a track record of continued (not short-term) success. We are currently watching a man who convinced a large percentage of the population that he was just too brilliant for us to wait until he accomplished something before we made him Leader of the Free World. Let’s not do that again any time soon.

    I don’t think she’s running even based on this video. This is supposed to raise funds for the Tea Party cause, not the Palin for President campaign, and her statement begins with her saying that the Tea Party has no leader. She’s distancing herself from the notion that she is the Queen Bee of Tea, and will ride the Tea Party Express to Washington.

    So many of you are itching for her to jump in to make your jobs as pundits and bloggers so much easier. Cool your jets.

    L.N. Smithee (6f044a)

  119. More Palin signs

    “no justifications just jobs”

    “no homework more help”

    “your money”

    EPWJ (17f94c)

  120. Yes she is running, and of course, it’s going to be brutal, it’s brutal now, there is no intellectual integrity in 80% of the media, and I’d say 60% of the blogosphere, As an observer, of the trends in the last two years, I find 2/3 of the objections are ill informed, reflecting the media templates disingenuously applied. Her instincts are first rate, and actually very prescient, on the health care bill, last year; when Jindal took a breather on his subject of expertise, and Romney well he wasn’t eager to revisit his tour de force. And she struck the right tone on the Mosque, as well,

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  121. Except it doesn’t really work like that in practice, we know now, that Schmidt (as Chief of Staff) and Wallaces (as Press Secretary) would have endeavored to marginalize her, and two more years as Governor wouldn’t have counted for much, except moregridlock and debt. The media talked up Carter, Clinton, and now Obama, and ran down Ford, Bush 1, and McCain, not to mention Dole, who had the requisite legislative and or/administrative heft. And I’ve pointed out whatthey did to Romney and Jeb in their
    first races

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  122. Palin’s not running, too much money in it for her not to run.

    But she’s having a great time

    EPWJ (17f94c)

  123. Shooter is just kind of a cliche. Rethugs are stupid. Obama’s raw intellect is unmatched. When can we see proof of this other-worldly brain power?

    JD (bbce34)

  124. ^why, as soon as he releases his grades, which should be forthcoming as soon as…

    (crickets chirping)

    Yeah Depeche Mode sucked

    HEY! Don’t go knocking your own personal Jesus, man!

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  125. BTW, I think his Havaard grades will turn out to be worse than Bush’s…or Kerry’s. Leading us to conclude that he truly was an empty suit extraordinnaire. Still flabbergasted at his comments yesterday – the crap he gets away with is truly astounding. Makes Alfonse D’Mato look like a MENSA member.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  126. How very racist of you, Dmac.

    This whole canard/meme that Barcky is an intellectual heavyweight is interesting, insofar as there is little to no objective evidence of same, unless you count TOTUS reading.

    JD (9c0e35)

  127. “This whole canard/meme that Barcky is an intellectual heavyweight is interesting, insofar as there is little to no objective evidence of same, unless you count TOTUS reading.”

    I don’t know about heavyweight, but the stuff I’ve read about his teaching has always been enough to satisfy me as to his intellect.

    imdw (14df54)

  128. How many names have you posted under, imdw?

    JD (9c0e35)

  129. JD @ 123:

    Look, I was asked a question, and on these sorts of blogs if you don’t answer you get accused of ducking and running, so I answered; and note: no one is accusing me of being disingenuous about my answer or even implying it.

    I think your partisanship has blinded you. All you have to do is recall the health care summit, where very few of the large number of GOP who met with Obama were even willing to try to deal with him: Coburn, to some extent, but he’s got a big social intelligence hole, plus shortcomings with big-picture cohesiveness, plus he can’t explain some things that betray a serious lack of smarts (e.g. his complicity in the Ensign matter, which is headed to indictment), and even he would shake his head if you suggested him for POTUS or that he was as bright as Obama. I recall Pence tried; he wasn’t as adept, but he was focused and didn’t back down.

    Then recall what happened: the Republican leadership and brain trust looked at and studied the hours of video they had on the event and faced facts: they had no one in Congress who could deal with this guys intellect. Then they made it clear they would never submit themselves again to that sort of exercise, because they know they would lose at it every time. He’s too balanced, too good at burying emotion, too well-read, what he knows is too-organized, how he’s able to retrieve what he knows is too adept and too sane.

    The only one among the Republican likelies that I can envision handling all that is the guy who signed off on Obamacare Mach I: Romneycare. And Romney lacks Obama’s social identification abilities, particularly with folks below the middle class, which is why I hedge on whether he might be as smart or smarter; but I didnt say he is not — I still hedged — and you missed that, either by accident (which tells on your reading skills) or on purpose (which tells on your honesty).

    So go ahead and bury your head in the sand of your partisanship and sound off on an reactionary talking point that even Republican leadership will no go anywhere near. You live in a world that thinks Newt Gingrich is some bright bulb, when he’s simply an entrepreneurial fabulist, summoning up Turtledove scenarios from his own weird perspective on life.

    In the end, the job is not simply intellect anyway — which was the point of my link to the Lehrer article. Whether you like it or not, the only thing that kept Franklin Roosevelt from being elected forever was his body was only human, and as adept and forceful as he was at being president, he had no more raw intellect (I am sure measurably less) than Hoover, or Wilkie, or Carter, or Obama.

    But if you are unable to see this, indeed, unable to see what the smartest of Republicans all see, that really says a lot more about your own intellect than you should be comfortable about.

    shooter (32dc25)

  130. BS, shooter. Outright, BS. Your typical leftist arrogance, the eternal leftist conceit, that liberals are somehow smarter because they are liberals was evident in your assessment of the R’s vs. the D’s. You carry that through this comment, declaring your own superior intellect, while denigrating those that disagree with you. A more vapid or shallow or predictable response could not have been asked for.

    Nobody was scared or unable to debate healthcare with him. As it turns out, most of what Teh One claimed is turning out to not be true, just like his opponents stated in advance of this boondoggle. Ryan embarassed Teh One, and rather than debate, TOTUS erected strawmen, rambled, uh huh um, and filibustered, because he could. They did not choose to be a part of these types of photo ops because they could not deal with his towering intellect, they did not because it was a photo op, staged to achieve a result that is contrary to their political position. It was a kabuki political theatre.

    Your partisanship is what is evident here, shooter, as it is in every one of your comments.

    JD (9c0e35)

  131. Have a great day, people. Don’t let shooter and its ilk get away with asspulls and making shlt up.

    JD (9c0e35)

  132. Then recall what happened: the Republican leadership and brain trust looked at and studied the hours of video they had on the event and faced facts: they had no one in Congress who could deal with this guys intellect. Then they made it clear they would never submit themselves again to that sort of exercise, because they know they would lose at it every time. He’s too balanced, too good at burying emotion, too well-read, what he knows is too-organized, how he’s able to retrieve what he knows is too adept and too sane.

    Shooter,
    Out of curiosity just how many sticks of incense do you go through each day when thinking of Obama?

    VOR2 (c9795e)

  133. Dmac, I bet we never find out what his grades are. The truth is probably already hidden.

    But grades can be inflated. Obama was already a special political think in law school. He admitted in one of his memoirs that he snorted cocaine, flunked out of school, and was generally a jackass. He voted present on dozens of issues as state legislator, supported massively growing deficits in 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010, insisted the stimulus was well understood and would keep unemployment below 8%, that the surge would fail, and supported a large number of very poor appointments who have had to step down.

    JD’s right… it’s just cliche for a democrat to insist he is a genius, without any argument, and do the same for his Dear Leader.

    But it’s helpful because Obama actually does lack the intellect to lead. We are seeing just how critical that is.

    Shooter’s extremely lengthy comment about who the democrats fear as a nominee had absolutely no real argument in it. Just smack talk. Proving my point quite well, thank you.

    PALIN: 2012-2014

    Comment by imdw

    OK, this was pretty funny. I think her resignation was the right thing to do, but I don’t see how she can overcome it. It’s so easy to make a pithy point of it.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  134. He’s too balanced, too good at burying emotion, too well-read, what he knows is too-organized, how he’s able to retrieve what he knows is too adept and too sane.

    Oh yeah, the sane part… he’s sane in the way Ted Bundy is. The Obama who is friends with Ayers and Rev Wright is not on display in public. That burying emotion part is actually a good point.

    But well read? That’s just Dear Leader worship. He does not appear to read like Dubya did. He stammers so much that his administration sens teleprompters with him everywhere. You do not do that, if your speaker is adept. You don’t deny press conferences to the embarrassing degree Obama does unless you’ve got a good reason. There’s just no argument here for poor Obama.

    These are the people who think Carter was a good president.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  135. “However, this is a parroting of a talking point. Who, shooter, would you be unhappy to see the GOP nominate?”

    I’d be unhappy to see gingrich nominated, because that would mainstream his xenophobia and islamophobia.

    imdw (4829b2)

  136. “However, this is a parroting of a talking point. Who, shooter, would you be unhappy to see the GOP nominate?”

    I’d be unhappy to see gingrich nominated. That would mainstream his xenophobia and islamophobia.

    imdw (2ed357)

  137. I’d be unhappy to see gingrich nominated. That would mainstream his xenophobia and islamophobia.

    Comment by imdw

    That’s one way to take my question. Who’s positions are so anathema to the democrat that their nomination is scary. I disagree with this characterization of Gingrich, but I think this is how a patriot would view the question. Under this analysis, especially with a vulnerable Obama, Palin is one of the last nominees a democrat should want to see.

    I’d rather the dems pick a fiscal conservative with high electability, for example.

    but Shooter is switching from this concept (and not applying it well) to the electability concept, just however it happens to slam the right more at any given time.

    JD and I like Mitch Daniels. But Palin’s got something special in her supporter’s intensity. She would win Delaware. Her pick would win Delaware, if she isn’t running. How would a Daniels or a Gingrich possibly beat that?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  138. Worth it to dump the RINO. If I have to put up with a Democrat, at least it’s a real Democrat and not a wannabe.

    The Senate, like the White House, doesn’t matter terribly to me. It’s the House that matters. That’s where the fiscal black hole is.

    mojo (8096f2)

  139. shooter @ #129… gimme a break.

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  140. Comment by VOR2 — 9/22/2010 @ 4:00 am

    Comment by jakee308 — 9/22/2010 @ 3:54 am

    So let me get this straight. (code for: LET ME CONSTRUCT MY VIEW OF WHAT I CLAIM YOU SAID SO THAT I CAN MAKE FUN OF/PUT IT/YOU DOWN) Bloggers and pundits should not be renumerated for the effort they put into their work and should be willing to parrot the popular line as a service to the cause.
    And a new electoral paradigm exists due to the results in some primaries? (WHERE DID I SAY THAT?)
    Does that about sum up your rant? (NO, NO, NO)

    When objective analysis is discouraged and blind partisanship is encouraged that seems a little more Marxist than any of your implications (COONS ADMITTED THAT HIMSELF) about Coons being an “avowed Marxist” (SEE PREVIOUS COMMENT).

    vor2: Were/are you high? How you came up with your response is amazing to me. You remind of people that hear what they want to hear and then accuse someone of saying something they don’t like or don’t agree with or don’t want to discuss so they claim that one thing was said when it wasn’t.

    Vor2: Please report to English Comprehension 101 class stat!

    jakee308 (e1996a)

  141. the White House, doesn’t matter terribly to me

    [yes, I know he’s in the wrong thread]

    We’re in the middle of a war. The Supreme Court is one vote away from taking away the 2nd Amendment and in many ways, the 1st.

    The White House matters to anyone who is serious. So does the Senate.

    Frankly, this O’Donnell fanboy mentality, that Castle was worse than a Republican, betrays the fact that there are many Republicans to the left of Castle, a couple of Tea Party express endorsements to the left of Castle. this is just as honest a point as ‘Is it because he’s gay?’ and ‘He voted for impeachment!’.

    You don’t mean it. If you meant it, you would be protesting the Tea Party Express for doing much worse than Castle supporters did, in supporting lefties. At any rate, you’re helping put the USA on course for a Democrat Senate and Democrat White House. It doesn’t matter to you anyway.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  142. that Castle was worse than a Republican

    Freud would be proud. I thought he was the best Senator from that state I’ve ever seen viable, btw, but didn’t agree with him about half the time.

    This reminds me of people who won’t date anyone who isn’t a 10 in appearance, a six figure earner, with their exact religious views. Such people grow old alone. It is the very definition of the word “loser”.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  143. The “fiscal black hole” is in the White House.

    Icy Texan (3c7e3d)

  144. I like Sarah Palin, but I am not sure she can win a national election. I think her negatives are too high, but then again 2012 is a ways off and anything can happen.

    Terrye (9d8507)

  145. Then recall what happened: the Republican leadership and brain trust looked at and studied the hours of video they had on the event and faced facts: they had no one in Congress who could deal with this guys intellect.

    Uh, there’s this site that you can actually find the vid of the extensive defrocking that Ryan and the GOP gave Obama’s healthcare plan, replete with Obama petulantly screeching in response “I won the election, John.” Awesome intellect, that.

    The fact that you actually had the arrogance and ignorance to even attempt to make this claim has invalidated your content from now on. Now longer blindly partisan, now you’re full – on moonbat – tilting at the windmills of your mind. Wear that tinfoil hat proudly, shooter!

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  146. Dmac, I love the ones who think he’s The One. The true genius. The beautiful shirtless unicorn rider who is so well read, so smart, so funny!

    The political argument of a communist.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  147. shooter, now that Obama has an actual record to run on, he’s very vulnerable in a debate. He was able to do well in 2008 debates because he’d done nothing even as a Senator and could not be pinned down.

    Now all of his presidential acts, and the multitude of campaign promises he broker, pin him down.

    As for his supposed brain power, its not impressive at all off the teleprompter. Although perhaps by now he can pronounce “corpsman” correctly.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  148. and then Sarah Palin probably poop on it

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  149. Really feets worse than this;

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/22/murkowski-not-stripped-of-committee-leadership-position/

    these are the people she has fought in her entire
    public life, that’s why she’s for Joe,for Christine,
    you haven’t figured out the game, you crazed mogwai

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  150. I don’t mean to put words into Happyfeet’s beak, but consider the kind of unreasonable argumentation from O’Donnell supporters like Levin recently. There have been some really egregious examples that remind me of Maxine Waters’s loyal supporters waving signs around the country to forgive her corruption.

    I do not want that kind of movement. I think Palin supporters are split in this way, and it would be really nice of Obama’s ascendancy was recognized as a mistake in letting artificial personality and its fawning worshipers win an election. I would love for Obama to be the end of a certain kind of TV candidate.

    Not gonna happen, and Palin obviously isn’t like Obama in most respects. But some Palin supporters appear to act a lot like Obama’s less sane ones.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  151. oh jeez. All I can think to say Mr. cormac is there is no class of whore on earth to rival a Republican senator.

    That’s embarrassing.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  152. What I have seen is the same omissions, distortions and outright lies, forward by the same folks, in this case, CREW, delivered two years ago, directed
    at some one who really wants to challenge the system

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  153. Well, I believe in Palin’s sincere wish to make things better, Ian.

    You could say her detractors should stop making this personal, and just admit she’s a “good person”, leaving the arguing to policy differences, even ones that are stark about serious matters.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  154. The beautiful shirtless unicorn rider who is so well read, so smart, so funny!

    You forgot to add what Slo – Joe and Skelator said as well – truly embarrassing, even from them.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  155. “you haven’t figured out the game, you crazed mogwai”

    ian – I believe leadership is worried about pissing Madcowski off to the point where she screws them in the lame duck session if they strip her of her posts.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  156. that is very brave and principled behavior and not cowardly at all

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  157. to the point where she screws them in the lame duck session if they strip her of her posts.

    Comment by daleyrocks

    I think she’s already there. In fact, it may even help her to prove it. She needs those democrat votes in Alaska, and would probably caucus with them. This deal didn’t protect us any more than Alaska primary votes.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  158. Mr. Feets – I think you enjoy the IDEA of Sarah Palin running for president. I keeps her front and center. Absent her, you would need to find fresh targets for you insouciantly venomous misogynistic meanderings and let’s face it, the lobster hoochies have done nothing noteworthy lately.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  159. It is lobster-pot hoochies. Get it right.

    JD (8ded14)

  160. Mr. daleyrocks I will tell you that I think that as offensively small and whorish as America’s current president is what is more alarminger is how he came to be in the position he’s in. A Sarah Palin candidacy does nothing but validate the Obama precedent that your average insignificant whore is presidency-ready from day one in America.

    That is not a good thing. It just isn’t. D or R it’s a bad bad thing.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  161. He came to it by lies, insinuations and omissions, much of the same tools you are using. No candidate
    is out of the question, for me, except Huckabee, everyone should have a shot.

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  162. ok then for me it’s either Mitch Daniels or Lady Gaga

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  163. happyfeet, you are returning to the vulgarity that originally caused me to be disgusted with you.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  164. no I’m not I’m just being unequivocal there’s a difference

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  165. “except Huckabee, everyone should have a shot.”

    ian – I agree, no flesh folds for president.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  166. If the choice is between Huckabee and Palin, I choose … oh Allah, I beseech thee. Do not subject us to such a travesty.

    JD (8ded14)

  167. You really are an ass, feets, there is no if and or buts about it, reserve you scorn for the likes of Lisa Murkowski, not the one who is the farthesr thing from

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  168. But if you are unable to see this, indeed, unable to see what the smartest of Republicans all see, that really says a lot more about your own intellect than you should be comfortable about.

    shooter,

    Please don’t make comments like that. Stick to the arguments and stay away from attacks on people. It may encourage others to do the same with you.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  169. “Look, I was asked a question, and on these sorts of blogs if you don’t answer you get accused of ducking and running, so I answered; and note: no one is accusing me of being disingenuous about my answer or even implying it.”

    shooter @129 – Sort of like that link fest you dropped into the other thread, what were there 7 or 8 of them? One of them didn’t work, one of them didn’t even address the topic of budgeting for war and the others were completely nonresponsive to the claims you made. So yes, I would call that a disingenuous response that you tried to make appear as it it were not a a disingenuous respons, because you could not actually have read the links you provided and thought they addressed your claims.

    ANOTHER EPIC SHOOTER FAIL.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  170. But if you are unable to see this, indeed, unable to see what the smartest of Republicans all see, that really says a lot more about your own intellect than you should be comfortable about.

    It was an argument from authority fallacy anyway. Yeah, it says something about one’s intellect that they don’t just accept the edict that Obama is brilliant, well read, and could trash nearly any opponent in a debate. Not that his named authority exists, anyway, but I took his comment as a compliment.

    I can see for myself how smart Obama is. Frankly, it appears most of the country can, too.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  171. If she is going to run, she has to run in 2012. In 2016 her base–old white christians– will be fewer. and her anti-base– youth, minorities and teh college educated will be more numerous because of the demographic timer and the increase in the college-educated…and old white christian die off.
    She seems incapable of extending her appeal outside her base.
    her unfavorables/favorables are 44/47, and this leaves almost no undecided– the same problem COD faces in Delaware.
    And also,too– in 2016 she will be post-menopausal. that will end some of her appeal.

    wheeler's cat (4280a6)

  172. wheeler

    wow, so much ignorance in so few words.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  173. Take your meds, nishidiot.

    JD (ebd6a6)

  174. Wasn’t there a show called Krazy Kat, the fake Sufi?

    Eric Blair (9ed73e)


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