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9/7/2010

Mexican President: We Have to Stop This Illegal Flow Across the Border

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 5:55 pm

In April Mexican President Felipe Calderón, speaking to a joint session of Congress, pleaded to US lawmakers for more help in limiting the flow of weapons to Mexico. “I understand that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to guarantee good American citizens the ability to defend themselves and their nation,” he said. “But believe me, many of these guns are not going to honest American hands.”

So, Felipe. Let me get this straight.

You’re upset about an illegal flow across the border.

I’ll make you a deal.

Comments (27)

27 Responses to “Mexican President: We Have to Stop This Illegal Flow Across the Border”

I love this idea! If the gentleman lobbies to reduce illegal immigrants, why, we can work harder to reduce the flow of firearms across the border.

And increase that flow, if he continues to make nasty little comments about how we should welcome illegal immigrants.

After all, guns need homes too.

He is just afraid that those guns will be put to work. Against his corrupt government.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 9/7/2010 @ 5:58 pm
This canard has been repeated so often that it’s becoming accepted as the truth. The gangs in Mexico not only have guns, but they also have mini – tanks, rocket launchers and all other manner of military hardware. Most of the weapons they have did not originate in the US.
Dmac (d61c0d) — 9/7/2010 @ 6:00 pm
http://www.chandlerswatch.com/2010/07/26/mexican-prison-guards-release-inmates-arm-them-and-give-them-cars-to-carry-out-drug-war-killings/

Calderon’s got bigger problems than some poor American’s stolen deer rifle.
Socratease (28b29b) — 9/7/2010 @ 6:01 pm
We could always give them more, Dmac. What is the motto of the “Weapons Shop of Isher”?

The right to buy fine weapons is the right to be free.
Eric Blair (c8876d) — 9/7/2010 @ 6:04 pm
As Dmac points out, this mis-truth has been propogated by the media for ages. It is based on a report by ATF that 90% of guns in Mexico came from the USA. However, they always conveniently omit the qualifier that was also in the report, which was “of the guns they were able to trace”. The real number of guns that originated here, from memory so don’t sue me, was less than 10%. In a related story remember how Jimmy Nap brags that every single truck heading into Mexico is searched for cash and drugs. Those heading north? Not so much…
Gazzer (a2cc1c) — 9/7/2010 @ 6:11 pm
Does anybody know what happens when you try and buy two guns in the same day? Any two guns? Yep, you guess it the ATF gives you a visit. There is no whay you can transfer legally a group of weapons to anybody, unless you are a dealer … and then the records are all there …

So Filipe, I think you have a problem… Maybe you should try allowing your citizens to own guns to protect themselves, since you seem unable to do it.
tarpon (0d210f) — 9/7/2010 @ 6:14 pm
Most of the weapons they have did not originate in the US.

They may have originated in the US, but you can’t buy them at your local War-R-Us.
Neo (7830e6) — 9/7/2010 @ 6:18 pm
The right to buy fine weapons is the right to be free.

Can I get an “Amen”?
Horatio (55069c) — 9/7/2010 @ 6:41 pm
The Obama administration is complicit with Mexico’s dishonest claims. They knowingly lie about the situation.

Far more guns walk out of the Mexican Army’s arsenals than come out of US gun shops.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/7/2010 @ 7:04 pm
While the article states the guns were sold in the U.S. and came primarily from Texas, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Florida, Colorado, Oklahoma, Illinois, Nevada, and North Carolina, the article does not make clear who exactly it is that is taking the guns down into Mexico.

Is it possible that illegals are buying the guns and taking them back across the border?

And if so, wouldn’t that be yet another argument to halt illegal immigration – if they’re transporters of arms are not here in the first place, the market for arms would decrease because there wouldn’t be anyone to transport them south across the border?

And the fact that the weapons are apparently so easily to transport across the border appears to be yet another strong argument to close the porous border, no?
Dana (8ba2fb) — 9/7/2010 @ 7:11 pm
Dana, you would think so, but here’s the rub. As I have often noted, to an open-borders numpty there is positively, absolutely, indisputably no scenario on G*d’s green earth that would be resolved by closing the border.
It helps to recogize Liberalism as a mental disorder…
Gazzer (a2cc1c) — 9/7/2010 @ 7:23 pm
Yes, of course you’re right Gazzer, but I like to make the point. And the point, for the thousandth time, is the utter disingenuousness and hypocrisy of Calderone just about every time he opens his mouth.

When he does, there is yet more word vomit spilling out of his trap as he again attempts to deflect, point the finger at America, and all the while conveniently ignoring the four fingers pointing right back at him.
Dana (8ba2fb) — 9/7/2010 @ 7:29 pm
All the while being applauded and cheered on by Big Ears, Cankles, Jimmy Nap and that dolt Holder. Sickening.
Gazzer (a2cc1c) — 9/7/2010 @ 7:39 pm
#10 Dana:

Is it possible that illegals are buying the guns and taking them back across the border?

Well, this story from KLBJ Radio 590 Austin would appear to confirm that.

I find it interesting that the dealer arrested and sentenced according to the story appears to be a “hobby” dealer, who asked for and was shown a facially valid identification from the purchaser, an illegal alien who then illegally transferred an illegally purchased firearm to a second illegal alien. Apparently the first illegal was never charged with any crime, while the second, the receiver of the illegally purchased weapon, had the weapon confiscated and has been sentenced to time served and already released (although not deported). Sadly, I have been unable to verify those details from a separate source, but there is no doubt that the Texan who went beyond the requirements on his part of the transaction will be off to a federal work camp soon.
EW1(SG) (edc268) — 9/7/2010 @ 7:51 pm
We recently had a case here in Phoenix where 2 illegals were car-jacked by 3 of their compadres. The usual suspects ranted and raved about how SB1070 and Shurf Joe so terrified these ‘innocents” that they were scared to come forward and report the crime to the police. (Notwithstanding the fact that they were on local TV). My response, as ever, was that if we had a secure border not one of those five upstanding individuals would even be present in our great nation. Problem solved.
Still no reason to build a fence, or anything…/sarc.
Gazzer (a2cc1c) — 9/7/2010 @ 7:58 pm
True story: I went to my doctor the other day and complained about my allergies. So, he asked me if I was taking anything. I said no, but Claritin usually works. And he said:

“It’s funny how medicines actually work when you use them.”

Laws may be similar, but not medically proven.
Ag80 (2f74a7) — 9/7/2010 @ 8:27 pm
Just precious Caldie-boy!

I wonder if he stays up at night laughing at himself?
HeavenSent (e230a5) — 9/7/2010 @ 8:29 pm
From Edward Abbey, once upon a time darling of the radical enviromentalists

“Poverty, injustice, over breeding, overpopulation, suffering, oppression, military rule, squalor, torture, terror, massacre: these ancient evils feed and breed on one another in synergistic symbiosis. To break the cycles of pain at least two new forces are required: social equity – and birth control. Population control. Our Hispanic neighbors are groping toward this discovery. If we truly wish to help them we must stop meddling in their domestic troubles and permit them to carry out the social, political, and moral revolution which is both necessary and inevitable.
Or if we must meddle, as we have always done, let us meddle for a change in a constructive way. Stop every campesino at our southern border, give him a handgun, a good rifle, and a case of ammunition, and send him home. He will know what to do with our gifts and good wishes. The people know who their enemies are.”

Read the entire essay here
SaintGeorgeGentile (5ea33e) — 9/7/2010 @ 9:16 pm
I was thinking of sweetening the deal. He he helps seal the border we won’t send illegal alien Mexicans to Afghanistan in a ploy to bankrupt Iran.

{O,o} <- feeling crazed at the moment.
JD (98e9d7) — 9/7/2010 @ 9:35 pm
That was the other person blessed with a great name.
JD (8ded14) — 9/7/2010 @ 9:38 pm
From the story:

The study, based on Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) data and prepared by the advocacy group Mayors Against Illegal Guns, shows that three out of four guns used in crimes in Mexico and submitted for tracing were sold in the four U.S. states that border Mexico.

So, here is a shocker… 75% of the guns that they submit to the US for testing come from the US… How many of the ones they submit to Russia come from Russia? Or from China?

Oh wait, they don’t submit those.

And let us not forget the hundreds of thousands of guns that get stolen every year by Mexican military and police that work for the cartels.

Finally, a 4 year period for the ENTIRE country only produced 19,000 guns that could be traced to the US. In that time frame, there were over 45,000,000 NICS checks for firearms purchases in the US. By my figures that comes out to about .04% of all guns sold in the US in that time frame were used in a crime in Mexico. I would bet that a far larger % of cars sold in the US were used in crimes in Mexico in that same time frame.

FOX debunked this crap back in April:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/02/myth-percent-small-fraction-guns-mexico-come/

In 2007-2008, according to ATF Special Agent William Newell, Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF for tracing. Close to 6,000 were successfully traced — and of those, 90 percent — 5,114 to be exact, according to testimony in Congress by William Hoover — were found to have come from the U.S.

But in those same two years, according to the Mexican government, 29,000 guns were recovered at crime scenes.

In other words, 68 percent of the guns that were recovered were never submitted for tracing. And when you weed out the roughly 6,000 guns that could not be traced from the remaining 32 percent, it means 83 percent of the guns found at crime scenes in Mexico could not be traced to the U.S.
Chris (7cb5b7) — 9/7/2010 @ 10:15 pm
everything is
legal mexico it the
American way
ColonelHaiku (3ec9fa) — 9/8/2010 @ 6:11 am
There is no whay you can transfer legally a group of weapons to anybody, unless you are a dealer … and then the records are all there …

I doubt the Crips or MS-18 resort to legal transfers of weapons.
Michael Ejercito (249c90) — 9/8/2010 @ 10:38 am
the idea that you can restrict the flow of guns without restricting the flow of people is retarded on its face.
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 9/8/2010 @ 11:36 am
Cars in Arizona are a similar problem. Car insurance in Tucson is almost twice what I paid in OC. Two reasons; theft and uninsured drivers. A guy I know had his car stolen in Tucson. He had Lo-jack and they activated it about 45 minutes after the theft. The car was nearly 100 miles into Mexico.

I say we ban cars.
Mike K (d6b02c) — 9/8/2010 @ 1:45 pm
The Obama administration is complicit with Mexico’s dishonest claims. They knowingly lie about the situation.

“Complicit”? That understates the situation. Mexican government complaints about American guns are the payoff for Obama keeping our borders insecure. Calderon knows he doesn’t have a problem with American guns smuggled across the border. If he really did, he’d WANT that border secured. But Obama wants an excuse to crack down on our rights, and Calderon is only too willing to provide it, in return for his “safety valve” being kept open.
Brett Bellmore (48aeab) — 9/8/2010 @ 3:21 pm
#21 Chris has the data right, #26 Brett tells us what it all means.
Throw out the trash in Nomember!
Arizonadan (f1f73d) — 9/9/2010 @ 10:33 am

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