Open Thread: Muslim Cabbie Stabbed Edition
James Taranto does a nice job of revealing some media bias about the stabber (he volunteered for an organization that supports the Ground Zero mosque, a fact buried in most stories), while keeping the focus on the criminal.
That last observation is the key. It doesn’t really matter what this guy’s beliefs are; he alone is responsible for his actions. Any analysis that does not put that fact front and center is playing the other side’s game.
well, i whipsaw juan cole on his lack of logic, on the topic, here:
http://allergic2bull.blogspot.com/2010/08/on-collective-blame-and-root-causes-and.html
so remember collective guilt is wrong and evil. unless you are blaming republicans for the action of one nut.
And remember when people act out violently, like the Palestinian terrorists, it is only because they are suffering an injustice. And if we only corrected that injustice, they would lead peaceful lives. but when tim mcveigh does the same thing, no need to look behind his motives.
Now mind you, i am opposed to collective guilt, or looking for the root causes. Cole only does so when convenient to him.
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 8/26/2010 @ 2:01 pmI feel bad for stabby dork’s mom and dad. They must be mortified.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 8/26/2010 @ 2:02 pmyou know for sure this one’s making the Christmas letter
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 8/26/2010 @ 2:04 pmhappy
dude, joking about how his parents feel? inappropriate. waaaaay inappropriate.
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 8/26/2010 @ 2:06 pmYoung man was angry over was being marginalized by society since he lost his his job to trannie, hooker, black, latino, muslim, hindhu, she-male with Asian grand-parents via an Obama Affirmative Action Program sanctioned by Holder.
So in essence it is Bush’s fault.
HeavenSent (e230a5) — 8/26/2010 @ 2:17 pmBtw, reading the NYT account, anyone notice an irony?
remember when that muslim went nuts at Ft. hood and the NYT was all hung up on its PTSD by proxy theory?
Okay, so if you read the account of the guy who was attacked, you get this:
> As the cab inched up Third Avenue and reached 39th Street, Mr. Sharif said in a phone interview, Mr. Enright suddenly began cursing at him and shouting “This is the checkpoint” and “I have to bring you down.” He said he told him he had to bring the king of Saudi Arabia to the checkpoint.
And then of course the actual slashing begins.
The point is, by this guy’s account, and it sounds pretty plausible, there are two things that leap out. One, the guy is nuts. As in maybe, depending on the sincerity of the attacker, nuts enough to relieve him of criminal liability.
And two, he seemed to think he was in Afghanistan.
So, um, wouldn’t this make sense as an example of PTSD? Wouldn’t THAT be the most logical explanation.
Btw, its worth noting the cab driver is himself opposed to the mosque and says he felt that it was not filling a community need.
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 8/26/2010 @ 2:18 pmAnd let me expand a little about the insanity defense here. People think that if you just say you are nuts you just get off. that is not quite true. you have to be very specific kinds of insane, and most states will only relieve you of liability if you are so far gone that you really aren’t intentionally hurting anyone.
now i haven’t so much as cracked open a NY state law book when i say this, but almost every state–indeed maybe all of them–will let you off the hook if you have literally no idea what you doing. The classic example of that is if you think you are squeezing lemons but you are actually strangling a person, squeezing their neck.
Or gee, if somehow you think you are in afghanistan and the innocent man standing in front of you is the king of saudi arabia.
if i was his defense lawyer, i would be very seriously looking into an insanity defense.
btw, i think most of you know this, but even if he is found innocent by reason of insanity, he goes into treatment. yes, that means maybe someday they might let him out, but then maybe not.
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 8/26/2010 @ 2:24 pmThere is a lot that is strange about this case. Stabby’s intense interest in ptsd. The fact that he was working with an organization that was pro the “mosque,” and he had been an ardent supporter of getting along amongst various faiths. Then he was embedded with the troops for a short while. This makes for a complex situation. Clearly something happened while he was embedded. It is sad, really. This kid’s life is likely ruined. The poor cabby didn’t do anything. This anti-Muslim rhetoric is getting out of control. Muslims did not attack us on 9/11. Conflating the actions of the hijackers to all Muslims is being extremely bigoted. It is the equivalent of conflating Christians being all terrorists because of what Timothy McVeigh did, or the guy that shot Dr. Tiller. There is no war on Islam, and there is no war by Islam on us. That is just bigoted. It is like saying that a few bad apples at ACORN, putting down false names to register, that ACORN themselves turned in and fired, somehow reflects poorly on the ACORN organization as a whole. If a bank is robbed by boy scouts, are the boy scouts bad, and to blame? How about clowns? If the ex RNC chairman comes out of the closet as gay, are all the other ones gay too, and the RNC is a big rainbow club? If there is one guy that runs the tea party rallies, and he puts out an apparently racist email, are all the tea-partiers racist? Is the entire tea-party movement then a racist movement? Conflating the actions of a few members of an organization to the organization itself is very bad logic.
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 2:28 pmBTW This kid deserves to have his life ruined, for his actions.
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 2:29 pmChrissy
> Conflating the actions of the hijackers to all Muslims is being extremely bigoted.
Okay, then who has done that, precisely and with what words?
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 8/26/2010 @ 2:32 pm“no mosque on ground zero… no mosque on ground zero… no mosque on ground zero…”
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 2:33 pmConflating the actions of a few Muslims with all of them. How prejudiced and insulting.
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 2:34 pmWhat about all of the Muslims that perished in the twin towers, or were first responders? Or worked for months in the dangerous rubble? Does the feelings of their families count on this issue? Or only the victims that were non-muslim? Or maybe it shouldn’t really be part of the issue at all.
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 2:40 pmChrissy
even many muslims have said “no mosque at ground zero.” are they bigots too?
Indeed, that NYT article i mentioned has this bit from the cabbie himself:
> Recently, some passengers asked him about the center planned near ground zero, he recalled, and he replied that he was against it, that there was no need to put it there.
So, if mere opposition to ground zero is bigotry and conflating good muslims with the bad, then i guess that makes this cabbie an anti-muslim bigot.
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 8/26/2010 @ 2:44 pmIf he was reaching in through a small hole and the cabby had the front seat to move in, kinda silly to sit there and get cut within 1/2 inch of your life.
Hazy (996c34) — 8/26/2010 @ 2:45 pmPresumably, the Muslims stating “no mosque at ground zero” are worried about repercussions from the prejudiced yahoos that are against this whole thing. It is really the prejudice and faulty logic of the protestors at fault here. They are creating a mob mentality against all Muslims. Like someone else commented at another site, “They got one thing right: Ground Zero is being desecrated. Just not by Muslims.”
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 2:50 pmHe tried to lock the attacker in, and drive to a police station, but the attacker jumped out the window.
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 2:52 pmI wasn’t joking.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 8/26/2010 @ 3:02 pmConservative stabber = Islamaphobe
Yossarian (65aeb4) — 8/26/2010 @ 3:10 pmLiberal stabber = Insane
Many Muslims stating “no mosque at ground zero” realize it is offensive to many Americans and the considerate thing to do is not build it, especially if the aim is to foster good will and understanding.
Yes, it is true that there is no war on Islam, or that all of Islam is at war with us…but it is not quite the same as the guy who shot Dr. Teller. People did not dance in churches because he was dead (at least none that I know of). His behavior has not been repeated by others multiple times throughout the world. Notable Christian leaders did not remain silent, leaving their views to appear ambiguous.
The best prevention of things getting out of control is to be truthful. It is not true that “all Muslims are out to get us”. But it is also not true that there are none who claim to be Muslim who use terror against the West.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/26/2010 @ 3:12 pmWhy is it not the same as Dr. Teller. There were many Christians rejoicing at his death in the name of religion.
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 3:30 pmOther than the 19 perps, just how many Muslims died in the attacks on 9/11 anyway?
AD - RtR/OS! (1750fe) — 8/26/2010 @ 3:31 pmAnd, since when did AQ care one whit about the death of a Muslim by their hand?
You might reread Taranto’s piece Chrissie.
AD - RtR/OS! (1750fe) — 8/26/2010 @ 3:35 pmThe cabbie bailed, and locked the doors from the outside (most likely a security measure unique to cabs to isolate a threat – sort of like the switch that disables the window and lock switches to keep your kids from an unauthorized exit), and started to look for a cop. That’s when the perp climbed out a window, falling upon the ground, where he was arrested.
Who cares if there are some who claim to be Muslim that use terror against the West. If one blames it on the fact that they are Muslim, rather than the fact they are insane, that is where the inherent bigotry is. This is nothing but stirred up fearmongering and Muslimphobia. There is nothing offensive about this if one has a brain, and does not equate muslims with the 9/11 attack. Hell, 40% of people are so stupid they think that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 3:35 pmThe word is “Islamophobia”!
AD - RtR/OS! (1750fe) — 8/26/2010 @ 3:41 pmParagraph 21 gives us some background about Sharif, including that he opposed the Ground Zero mosque on the basis “that there was no need to put it there.”
Did he tell that to Enright? Is that why Enright attacked him?
If so, that would turn the story completely on its head.
Subotai (e1bf56) — 8/26/2010 @ 3:46 pmThe cabbie was Muslim — he opposed the GZM.
The stabber was not muslim, but supported GZM.
When muslim cabbie states opposition to GZM, non-muslim supporter stabs him.
How is this fervent Islamophobia?
Christian (2852e9) — 8/26/2010 @ 3:48 pmThis anti-Muslim rhetoric is getting out of control. Muslims did not attack us on 9/11. Conflating the actions of the hijackers to all Muslims is being extremely bigoted. It is the equivalent of conflating Christians being all terrorists because of what Timothy McVeigh did
For some reason all the useful idiots on the left are trotting out this talking point. The problem is that that the 911 hijackers did in fact claim to be acting for Islam, while McVeigh did not claim to be acting for Christianity.
Which means that even by lefty standards, this talking point is nonsense.
Subotai (e1bf56) — 8/26/2010 @ 3:51 pm“There were many Christians rejoicing at his death in the name of religion.”
Hooten – How about some backup for that assertion?
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/26/2010 @ 3:53 pmThat is a fear of Islam and Muslims. I think most of those protesters are too stupid to even understand the relationship between Islam and Muslims, just like they are too stupid to understand the difference between the maniacs that attacked us on 9/11, and Muslims.
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 3:54 pmWho cares if there are some who claim to be Muslim that use terror against the West.
I expect that the people who jumped from the 100th floor of the WTC cared.
If one blames it on the fact that they are Muslim, rather than the fact they are insane, that is where the inherent bigotry is.
Uh huh. I’m glad to hear that when an “insane” person does something insane, nobody on the left ever tries to lay it at the door of the Republicans, the right, or the Christians.
Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me, but I seem to recall that a Census worker killed himself last year – and the left were eager to lay his death at the feet of Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh.
Subotai (e1bf56) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:02 pmcrissyhooten wailing about people being stupid is so rich in irony …
This is typical leftist blather, dismissing all that disagree with its approved narrative as being bigoted, or racist, or just stupid.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:04 pmthe difference between the maniacs that attacked us on 9/11, and Muslims.
I’m not sure how you missed this, but the maniacs who attacked us on 9/11 were Muslims.
I’m pretty sure this was covered extensively in the news at the time.
Subotai (e1bf56) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:04 pmAaron – one of my favorite cases from criminal law was one involving a crazy dude who carjacked someone while honestly believing he was a secret service agent taking the car to save the President from having something terrible happen to him.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:06 pmAs with most things, what Chris Hooten thinks and $4 will get you a cup of coffee in Obama’s America.
But this nugget, this one I will treasure.
IT WAS A ZIONIST CONSPIRACY.
Hadlowe (a7ae03) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:08 pmHow about the Muslims that jumped from the 100th floor? How about the first responding Muslims that had to clean up the people that jumped from the 100th floor? You are saying it is OK to be prejudiced, and conflate the hijackers with all Muslims? There is no denying this is out and out bigotry. And your example of Beck and Limbaugh is flawed. Being angry with Beck or Limbaugh for inciting violence would be equivalent to being angry at the Islamofacists that are inciting violence, not all Muslims, who are not inciting violence. Fearmongering and dehumanizing of the opposition, and spreading misinformation is what the Islamofacists do to incite violence. Beck and Limbaugh fit the mold. All Muslims do not. Why don’t you ask the police that picked up that drunk guy that was going to have a shoot out at the tides foundation whether Beck’s lies and false statements about them had anything to do with him wanting to do it.
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:18 pmHow about that Muslim cabbie that got stabbed stabbed stabbed by a Leftist that is against the mosque. Or the many actual moderate muslims that find it needlessly and intentionally provocative. Why is crissyhooten yammering on and on and on and on and on about Beck and Limbaugh when it was one of his fellow travelers that did the stabbing?
JD (3dc31c) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:20 pmLike I said earlier, if someone is dressed in a boy scout uniform, or a clown outfit, and they rob a bank, was the bank robbed by all boy scouts, or the Boy Scout Organization, or all clowns, or the international association of clowns?
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:20 pmIt was, of course, robbed by a duck.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:21 pmNo, that is just your dishonest construct. Though it is amazing that you so casually lump together all that disagree with you under the umbrella of bigotry, racism, and incitement to violence. That your pointy little head does not assplode from the expected cognitive dissonance is remarkable.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:22 pmIt is terribly faulty logic for a crowd that thinks it is so smart.
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:22 pmWho cares if there are some who claim to be Muslim that use terror against the West. If one blames it on the fact that they are Muslim, rather than the fact they are insane, that is where the inherent bigotry is.
You really are nuts, Hooten, and the people here who tolerate you and respond to you as if you were making sense are enablers. Read the Quran, for Chrissakes !
Mike K (d6b02c) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:24 pmSubotoi, that shows the faulty logic. SOME Muslims attacked us on 9/11, so ALL Muslims attacked us on 9/11. False.
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:26 pmcrissyhooten should not be allowed to type the words “faulty logic” unless he is referring to himself.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:26 pmYou are more dense than lead, crissyhooten. Nobody argues that ALL muslims did so. That is a construct you have created in order to claim some kind of imagined superiority. Again, this is yet another instance of leftists simply dismissing disagreement with their position as bigoted and racist rather than addressing the actual positions held.
Do you understand the difference between can and should, crissyhooten?
JD (3dc31c) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:28 pmsome Americans including a lot of muslims are opposed to the gay-assed victory mosque what Barack Obama wants to build. Some meaning like a huge huge majority.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:30 pm71% happyfeet. crissyhooten contends that 71% of the country is too stupid, bigoted, or racist to understand the greater sensitivities he has, and how he is a superior being. Well, f*ck them. They are dishonest little f*cks who deserve contempt and scorn.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:33 pmChrissy
> Presumably, the Muslims stating “no mosque at ground zero” are worried about repercussions from the prejudiced yahoos that are against this whole thing.
So let me get this straight. You are going to just assume why they feel this way? How about you actually find out. I mean I have posted on this site many, many links to accounts of real Muslims saying they are against it. To give but one of many examples:
> I worry that the construction of the Cordoba House Islamic cultural center near the World Trade Center site would not promote tolerance or understanding; I fear it would become a symbol of victory for militant Muslims around the world.
That is from Neda Bolourchi. She lost her mother on 9-11. She literally watched her murder live on television. She isn’t scared of non-Muslim Americans. She is opposed to radical Islam and given them a victory mosque.
You have assumed without evidence about a whole group of people. You have prejudged the matter, that is you judged based on ethnicity, rather than the fact.s
You are every bit as bigoted as you imagine we are.
Aaron Worthing (f97997) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:35 pmReally, by all means, point to the statement of anyone on this blog that conflates the hijackers with all muslims. No? Can’t find it?
How about that all muslims are terrorists or terrorist sympathizers? Really. Not one instance of that argument, you say. How curious.
Oh, how about most muslims are terrorists? No? Jeez, I’m starting to think that you’re just making shit up.
But don’t stop now. You’re really starting to hit your groove. I mean, that spittle is only just starting to fleck. Really, equivalentizing Limbaugh and Beck with terrorists is child’s play. Anyone with MSNBC on the tv can do that. Why don’t you really get going and try to work Sarah Palin, Diebold, and Darth Rove into orchestrating the Kennedy assassination. C’mon, I know you’ve got it in ya. And don’t let any measly facts get in your way. They’re just there to keep you down, man.
BTW, there’s a total double rainbow outside right now. Swear to god.
Hadlowe (a7ae03) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:37 pmYou are the people that are insane, equating the attackers on 9/11 to all Muslims. Ridiculous. You are against the building of a religious building, because a few people of that religion committed a crime in the vicinity. So of course, it makes PERFECT logic to not allow any buildings associated with that religion to be built nearby. INSANE, IGNORANT BIGOTRY. You are acting like you were attacked by a religion.
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:37 pmIf I gave you 71% of a blue cheese buttercream apple cupcake and told you that the other 29% hated America and wanted to built a garish victory mosque at the side of a horrific mass murder I bet it would still be a lot tasty.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:39 pm“They are creating a mob mentality against all Muslims.”
Apparently they aren’t doing a very good job of it. Americans have been murdered by Muslim fanatics over and over and over again since the 1970s. The number killed is in the thousands, and despite that I don’t think there’s even been one Muslim lynched by a righty mob (compare and contrast with the treatment black people recieved from the kindly old Democrats in good old Dixie…thousands of people murdered).
The mob mentality exists only in your fevered imagination, lefty.
Unless you’re talking about the mob mentality of your new darlings (the Muslims). Mob violence by members of that particular group is as common as dirt.
Dave Surls (105cd6) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:43 pmYou’d be wrong, too. It’s not much of a victory for radical islam to have a moderate Muslim running a YMCA-type cultural center mosque there. I don’t see how that benefits them at all. Actually it would seem to do the opposite in the long run, supporting relations between both Muslims and non-Muslims.
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:44 pmSubotoi, that shows the faulty logic. SOME Muslims attacked us on 9/11
Wait, now you’re admitting that “SOME Muslims attacked us on 9/11”? You’re making great progress, Hooten. I’m hopeful we’ll be able to discharge you from this facility in another month or so if you continue to respond well to treatment.
Subotai (e1bf56) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:44 pmIn order for it to be a “victory mosque” wouldn’t it have to be built and run by the same people that attacked us? There is the inherent bigotry again.
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:48 pmno it’s a victory mosque cause it celebrates the slaughter of infidels
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:48 pmI find it distasteful.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:49 pmTwenty-five years ago, Hootie was an anti-anti-communist.
Communism may have gone, but Hooties mindset has not altered in the slightest. He is still anti-anti-whatever-is-against-America.
Subotai (e1bf56) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:49 pm“You’re making great progress, Hooten.”
At the rate he’s going, he’ll achieve partial sentience no later than the year 3000 A.D.
Dave Surls (105cd6) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:53 pmSome white Christian people were shooting at us in WWII. Does that mean that we were at war with white Christians, or Christianity? Should they never build churches in Germany again? How about Buddhist temples in Hawaii? Remember Pearl Harbor? How dare they allow all those Japanese people to own land there… It’s offensive.
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:53 pm> You are the people that are insane, equating the attackers on 9/11 to all Muslims.
Lol, i am continually amazed watching how liberals can be told that some muslims oppose building the GZM, i can quote them chapter and verse, and they still go “you are all anti-muslim bigots.”
I guess in the end you are a bigot toward us, too. So why do you hang out here. Indeed how can you stand to live in a country where apparently 71% of us are all bigots?
Aaron Worthing (f97997) — 8/26/2010 @ 4:58 pm“You are the people that are insane, equating the attackers on 9/11 to all Muslims.”
Hooten – The only person doing that here is you. Are you admitting you are insane or just arguing against the strawman you have erected?
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:00 pm#
“There were many Christians rejoicing at his death in the name of religion.”
Hooten – How about some backup for that assertion?
Comment by daleyrocks — 8/26/2010 @ 3:53 pm
Hooten – Was the above just another of your asspulls or do you have some backup?
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:02 pmHow about the Muslims that jumped from the 100th floor? How about the first responding Muslims that had to clean up the people that jumped from the 100th floor?
Names, please, Chrissie!
AD - RtR/OS! (1750fe) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:02 pmI’m sure all of those Japanese are doing “victory” dances on the graves of all those brave American soldiers. It’s obvious, can’t you see it, lol.
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:08 pmBeing offended by the building of a mosque there is bigotry in and of itself. It shows that one cannot or will not differentiate between “Muslims”. Do you think that the Muslims that are building it are even the same kind of Muslims that attacked us? Do you know how many different types there are? Bush sure as heck didn’t know. He “thought they were all Muslims” when he heard the different factions did not get along inside of Iraq.
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:08 pmWhat a Hoot(en).
False. While it is true that all Muslims didn’t attack us on 9/11, the scumbags who did attack us were, in fact, Muslims, who, by their own words, were acting in the name of Islam.
That’s why it was so important that James O’Keefe and company went to so many different Acorn locations and spoke to so many of their workers. It clearly demonstrated that it wasn’t just a few bad apples; the organization is filled with scumbags, through and through.
The figure is actually 1/3, and the facts that Saddam was involved in the first attack might explain some of the confusion.
Anon Y. Mous (5ac901) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:10 pmAnd AD, you don’t know there were both Muslim victims inside of the towers, and Muslims that were first responders, some of which also perished? You want their names? Seriously, you don’t know about them? Did you think all the Muslims quietly didn’t show up to work that day or something?
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:11 pmNow we are talking stupid crazy when you think Saddam had anything to do with 9/11
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:13 pmLet me just point out that Muslims have a centuries long oh-lets-call-it-habit of building mosques over sacred sites when they conquer a city/town/country, like, oh, say…Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. The Sophia in
ConstantinopleIstanbul. I’m just pointing out that for both sides in this discussion it is all about location location location.The issue with this mosque is precisely it’s location AND the man building it. In The Hill today, Lanny Davis has his doubts too.
Vivian Louise (c7cad6) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:14 pmSome white Christian people were shooting at us in WWII. Does that mean that we were at war with white Christians
Since we were also white Christians, I’m going to guess “No”.
I can just see Chrissie at Vienna in 1529.
“Now look, von Roggendorf, you act as if Muslims are the enemy, when we all know that its really just Suleiman and his Ottoman army. Enough with your ignorant bigotry! You Christianists are responsible for the Crusades, after all. If I didn’t know that Rush Limbaugh had not been born yet, I’d think you’d been listening to him”.
Subotai (e1bf56) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:15 pmYour arguments are nonsense. I cannot say it any more plainly.
1) White Christianity was not the motivating ideology that created an aggressive Germany in WWII. Buddhism was not the motivating force behind an imperial Japan.
Germany STILL prohibits displays of nazi symbolism and propaganda out of reverence for the millions of deaths that nation caused in WWII. They police themselves, so outside objections would be moot.
Thus far, how is the dejihadification of islam progressing?
How about this. English christians terribly sorry about all that murderous business during the crusades. In order to build dialogue with muslims, we’ve decided to erect a forty story cathedral right next to the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem. You know, the one the crusaders seized and used as a pleasure palace while they held the city. Yeah. We’ve decided to call it the Richard the Lionheart Cathedral.
Don’t worry, we’ll install a pool to make it less offensive.
Hadlowe (a7ae03) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:15 pmHadlowe, make sure you include a Hooters. For, you know, dialog meetings.
Those chicken wings always make dialog better.
Vivian Louise (c7cad6) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:19 pmYawn wrt unfounded ACORN accusations. They were all cleared when the full tapes were viewed, and seen to be the misrepresentations they were. If you repeat a lie enough times, people who don’t fact check will believe it. When someone only trusts sources of information that distort and mislead, they become “stupider” and “less informed.” Yet they feel “smarter” and “better informed.” These are the people that think ACORN was some evil organization, and that Saddam had something to do with 9/11, that all Muslims are out to get us, and the building of a mosque is clearly a “victory mosque.” They also might believe that Gov death panels were a real thing, that Obama was not born in America, or that giving tax cuts five times the size of Bush’s would do anything other than sink our economy into an even deeper hole, and add demonstrably to our deficit. They might think Obama is a Communist, or a Socialist, or a Marxist, even thought they don’t understand what those mean.
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:24 pm“Some white Christian people were shooting at us in WWII.”
If the Nazis had hit New York city and killed a few thousand people, and then some other Nazis wanted to build a shrine to Hitler near the site, I’d tell them to fuck off too.
Dave Surls (105cd6) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:25 pmHooten, you brought up Muslim victims of 9/11, and Muslim first-responders. I just asked you for names to verify your claim.
AD - RtR/OS! (1750fe) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:29 pmAnd, no one claimed that SH was involved with the attacks on 9/11 (that is a Leftist disinformation talking point), but he was involved with the original attack against the WTC in 1993 (the bombing that resulted in the conviction of the Blind Sheik).
Your reading comprehension still needs work.
Hooten tries to get all his debunked talking points into one comment to distract from his Victory Mosque FAIL.
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:35 pmDebunked talking points? LOL. You mean what most people call FACTS?
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:37 pmBeing offended by the building of a mosque there is bigotry in and of itself. It shows that one cannot or will not differentiate between “Muslims”.
Idiots need simple examples. Let’s forget about the mosque. How about another example? Suppose some of the religion of peace authorities announce that an adulterous couple, he has one wife and wanted her for a second wife. She says she loves him and wants to be wife #2. However, his family is opposed so the relationship is judged adulterous.
The plan is that, on the anniversary of 9/11, the 10th anniversary to make it even better, that couple will be stoned to death 2 blocks from the WTC site.
Are people who oppose this demonstration of the virtues of Sharia bigots ?
Mike K (d6b02c) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:38 pmIf you repeat a lie enough times, people who don’t fact check will believe it.
That’s your operating principle, from what I can see.
Subotai (e1bf56) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:38 pmWow. Just wow. I mean, I’ve seen armies of strawmen before, but never before were they dressed up as the Village People and posed in mid Rhumba.
But you keep shining on, you crazy diamond. The truthiness will set you free.
Hadlowe (a7ae03) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:39 pmAt the moment I’m writing this, 22 of 73 comments have been by C.H., and I’m not sure if any of them have contributed anything meaningful. I propose we continue our discussion by ignoring him.
Hadlowe, what do you think they could sell for souvenirs there?
JD- You are more dense than lead, understatement, sir. I belive here at PP’s we’ve started using the phrase “denser than depleted uranium”. make a note of it, will you? I don’t want to tell you again.
All I can say is that chickens are supposed to have wings, so eating them makes more sense than eating “buffalo wings”. Who knows what really goes into them.
Speaking of poultry, years ago at Thanksgiving when I was a tiny tot, my cousin, also a tiny tot, and I fussed and fussed about wanting to eat a whole turkey leg ourselves. We were adamant we could each do it, to the consternation of our parents. Somebody figured out to ask us to point to the “turkey leg”, sure enough, we were talking about the wings.
So, aphrael and daley- how’s the weather across the US today? It was beautiful here in Philly, a wonderful day to be outside working on the house. In fact, I was working as long as I could and haven’t had dinner yet.
Anybody know anything to repel racoons, like to chase them out of your attic? I’m trying moth balls which worked for squirrels.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:41 pmAlso, I demand more mentions of Glenn Beck in my crazy rambling leftist dreck. He has only come up six times in this thread about the Conquering Caliph of Cordoba Memorial 9/11 Human Remains and Debris Field Non-Mosque and All-Around Entertainment Center and Goodtime Segregated Sexes Fun Pool w/ Optional Prayer Room.
Hadlowe (a7ae03) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:47 pmwhy not hire hooten?
ColonelHaiku (60a24c) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:48 pmhe scary enough to chase
badgers off roadkill
“Let me just point out that Muslims have a centuries long oh-lets-call-it-habit of building mosques over sacred sites when they conquer a city/town/country, like, oh, say…Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem.”
Hey, that’s just the way Muslims “build bridges” to other cultures.
Get with the program, Dude
Dave Surls (105cd6) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:49 pmMD in Philly – I think it’s funny to watch Hooten argue against positions nobody actually holds. It’s like a one man show by a lunatic.
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:49 pmHooten seems to have already forgotten those boot prints I have put on his backside showing how many of Hooten’s “facts” aren’t.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:50 pmMD, from memory from when I lived in NJ they don’t like the smell of ammonia. Once they have been driven away, make sure you have a cap on your chimney. I’m talking about getting rid of Raccoons not CH, of course.
Gazzer (adbfb4) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:51 pmOK, I call BS. There is NO WAY this Hooten person is a real Moby. Somebody’s faking it. He’s too perfectly stupid to be for real.
Great joke, though. It was much more entertaining than some other weirdos I’ve seen in the comments. Congrats to Hooten. You pulled a lot of legs. But I suggest you tone down the stupidity if you want anyone to actually buy the act.
Gesundheit (aab7c6) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:51 pmPhooey to souvenirs. It’s a house of worship, not some gaudy tourist attraction. However, as an act of outreach, every saturday we will serve Tennessee style BBQ pulled pork sandwiches.
What, both the jews and muslims find that offensive? They need to become less bigoted and embrace the ideals of other cultures. Why are they such porcinophobes?
Hadlowe (a7ae03) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:52 pm“Being offended by the building of a mosque there is bigotry in and of itself. It shows…”
…that you’re an ignorant lefty dolt who doesn’t know what the word “bigotry” means.
Dave Surls (105cd6) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:54 pmMD – Got rid of 6 woodchucks with a live trap a few weeks ago. Couldn’t kill them any noisier way in Ann Arbor. Of course, I “donated” them to local farmers. (sheepish grin) Ought to work with racoons too, just leave the trap open only at night.
Gesundheit (aab7c6) — 8/26/2010 @ 5:55 pmI did not add anything to this discussion, MD? Give me a break.
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:03 pmMinor pet peeve. Islamophobia is a nonsense word.
“Homophobia” at least has the decency of sticking a greek prefix onto a greek suffix, even though the term would properly mean an irrational fear of the genus homo, which would include modern humans and our progenitor species.
But Islamophobia? We don’t know the greek word for Islam, so we’re gonna stick an “o” on the end to make it sound all Greek, then smoosh it into “-phobia” to make it sound all clinical. The key afterward is to deliver it with a straight face, and if someone asks you to identify the condition in the DSM iv, you just calmly explain to them that why won’t they shut up?
I guess we do it with arabic words too. “Alcoholic” begets “sexaholic”, which, I guess, is a person who is addicted to sexahol. And we’re right back at Hooters, because if there’s anyplace that would sell sexahol.
Hadlowe (a7ae03) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:06 pm82.why not hire hooten?
he scary enough to chase
badgers
Colonel, I will forgive your ignorance this time. Badgers may want nothing to do with CH, but I assure you, it is not because of fear!!! But then again, racoons are not badgers, so maybe he would work.
Ammonia, eh?
Gesundheit- I’ve always thought you were a pretty sensible fellow, oh well, I guess Ann Arbor needs to have a few. I got a kick when I found out that “Uncle Jimbo” of “Blackfive” lived in Madison. That was a conflict of perspective.
Well, I’ll check back later for any more suggestions about racoons. Time to eat dinner before I faint.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:09 pmIslamophobia was coined by Akbar Ahmed, the former
ian cormac (6709ab) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:10 pmPakistani High Commissioner (Ambassador to the UK)
now I would call Salafiphobia, Wahhabiphobia, those
aspects are necessarily worth concerned, and they
have been spread by government and non profits from
the emirates, Arabia, Pakistan, et al
Obviously you can only be afraid of things that have a Greek prefix for them, lol.
Chris Hooten (7dbd5b) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:10 pm91.I did not add anything to this discussion, MD? Give me a break.
Comment by Chris Hooten
Well, Gesundheit thought you brought comedy, and daley thinks you’re entertaining, so I stand (actually sit) corrected.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:12 pmAnd we’re right back at Hooters, because if there’s anyplace that would sell sexahol.
Comment by Hadlowe
Now we’re talkin’ logical train of thought!!
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:15 pmIt was, of course, robbed by a duck.
Aphrael FTW!
Dmac (d61c0d) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:16 pmChrissy, why are your Hooters so crazy?
Dmac (d61c0d) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:17 pmI can’t imagine being “unburdened” by sharing something here… Sorry.
Comment by Chris Hooten — 8/26/2010 @ 1:24 pm
Yet he still comes back for more, and more, and yet still more unburdening. Why can’t he quit us?
Dmac (d61c0d) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:19 pmYou’d be surprised how agile and responsive the greek language is, what with it not being dead. A few of my favorites.
Spermatophobia – the little buggers are out to get me.
Hadlowe (a7ae03) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:24 pmphobophobia – the only thing we have to fear is fear itself
cherophobia – so happy, it’s frightening
Automatonophobia – fear of ventriloquist dummies. Egad it’s a Hooten. Run!
Novercaphobia – Fear of the stepmother. Tough to argue whether this one can be irrational or not
Arachibutyrophobia – Fear of peanut butter sticking to the roof of your mouth.
These are the people…”
(first strawman coming up)
that think ACORN was some evil organization, and
(2nd one)
that Saddam had something to do with 9/11,
(3rd) that all Muslims are out to get us,
(4th) and the building of a mosque is clearly a “victory mosque.”
They also might believe that Gov death panels (5th)
were a real thing, (6th) that Obama was not born in America, or that (7th) giving tax cuts five times the size of Bush’s would do anything other than sink our economy into an even deeper hole, and add (8th) demonstrably to our deficit. They might think Obama is a (9th) Communist, or a ( 1oth) Socialist, or a (11th) Marxist, even thought they don’t understand what those mean.
Whew – did I miss any here? It’s tough to keep up with Hooter’s mad ravings.
Dmac (d61c0d) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:28 pmPatrick opens thread,
Aaron Worthing (f97997) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:32 pmShould have said, “Everyone
Beat up Chris Hooten!”
Yeah, it’s always “complicated” when it doesn’t fit the preferred narrative. Or “nuanced.”
I remember I saw the film Persepolis, and the reviewer mentioned how “complicated” the writer’s family is. They are not complicated at all; they are avowed Communists. Simple, not complicated at all.
Patricia (358f54) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:33 pmbtw, my far more thoughtful thoughts on the incident, here: http://allergic2bull.blogspot.com/2010/08/like-thinking-you-are-squeezing-lemons.html
Aaron Worthing (f97997) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:35 pmI thought maybe after dinner crissyhooten might have sobered up, or come to his senses, but apparently he is quite invested in arguing against the caricatures and strawmen he has constructed. Alas, he doubled down on the asshattery, brought a pity-inspiring performance to the thread, and really makes me hope he is not developmentally disabled, because I would feel bad about pointing and laughing at him. Right now, crissyhooten could not win a battle of wits with Corky. Something is in the air today with the clownish idiots.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:36 pmFar more thoughtful than?
Patterico (b9e9e0) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:42 pmMaybe we ought to see if crissyhooten can explain the difference between can and should to us. In his little imaginary world, is there any good faithed opposition to the 9/11 Debris and Body Parts Field not-Mosque but community outreach and bridge building moderate Muslim YMCA.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:42 pmThe craziness seems to strong with this one, AW, are there any sane or otherwise non mendacious folk
ian cormac (6709ab) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:42 pmsupporting the GZM, that’s yet to be determined
Patterico – More thoughtful than an amoeba or a paramecium, but not much else.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/26/2010 @ 6:52 pmJD, what deep animosity do you have for amoeba and paramecium?
AD - RtR/OS! (1750fe) — 8/26/2010 @ 7:05 pmPatterico:
> Far more thoughtful than?
sorry for the ambiguity. i mean “than my stupid haiku.”
Aaron Worthing (f97997) — 8/26/2010 @ 7:07 pmAD – You are right, that was very unkind of me. I apologize to amoebas and paramecia the world over, and beg forgiveness for my gross insult.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/26/2010 @ 7:08 pmHaiku are nothing
Hadlowe (a7ae03) — 8/26/2010 @ 7:13 pmbut Japanese limericks.
Bawdy bar poems.
Unlike the noble tanka.
Can you count to thirty-one?
hadlowe
> Haiku are nothing
> but Japanese limericks.
You say that like its a bad thing.
Aaron Worthing (f97997) — 8/26/2010 @ 7:16 pmMD in Philly – Sorry, missed the weather question. It was a beautiful day in Chi-town.
On the racoons, I suggest mooning them. If that doesn’t work or you get your butt bit, go with amonia or bleach. We used to pour bleach on top of our plastic garbage cans to keep the suckers off and it worked even through a rain or two before it needed refreshing.
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/26/2010 @ 7:40 pmIf that doesn’t work or you get your butt bit
Now what did I do to get my butt attacked by a racoon? Are you a hate-filled Fighting Illini or da-Bears fan? A malpractice attorney? Dislike Philly cheese steaks?
I’ll have you know that I buy “Long-Tailed T’s” from Duluth Trading Post to avoid “plumbers butt”!
Besides, raccoons in Philly are known to harbour rabies at times, and the last thing you all need here is another raging rabid poster.
At least you suggested ammonia or bleach, and not both, which I believe makes something akin to mustard gas.
Well, I’m glad you had a beautiful day there. Eat some deep-dish pizza for me and go catch a few flying carp.
Back to the original topic- so it may be that the non-Muslim pro-GZM stabbed the Muslim anti-GZM for being politically incorrect? Since they’ve said it was a hate crime, how are they going to decide who was hating who and why?
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/26/2010 @ 8:04 pmWRT Raccoons: I caught some of those little bastards teaching their little ones how to steal tomatoes from our garden. There were like 4. I made up a batch of pepper juice. I boiled up a big batch of really, really hot peppers. Then I sprayed it all over the tomatoes. They stopped visiting the garden soon after 😉 I imagine some capscaicin based pepper spray or bear repellent sprayed around where they are going would do the trick, too. It gives them hot-paw. Hope that helps.
Chris Hooten (ad81a4) — 8/26/2010 @ 8:06 pmMixing bleach and ammonia creates an output of Chloramine, Dichloramine, and Nitrogen Trichloride, (all forms of Chlorine gas). They are highly toxic if mixed in purity or in high concentrations, and can be fatal with a few deep breaths -if concentrations are high enough- (you WOULD notice this the moment you inhaled it).
Chris Hooten (ad81a4) — 8/26/2010 @ 8:15 pmThank you C.H. for the suggestion. As it turns out, my wife gave up on our tomatoes a few weeks ago because as soon as one started to ripen it was gone the next day.
I had a friend in college whose entire floor in an apartment building was evacuated because somebody was grinding their own hot peppers and irritated the eyes, etc. of everyone on the floor. Come to think of it, they never had a problem with racoons there, so it must work.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/26/2010 @ 8:15 pmMD, there are plenty of raccoon repellents that you can buy commercially. If you want to try some kind of ammonia cleaner around the tomatoes, it might stink to high heaven, but I doubt you can hurt anything by doing so. Again, most Home Depot type stores stock “raccoon and varmint repellent.”
The best way, of course, is to hire professionals, but that is costly. Dogs keep them at bay. I get raccoons in my koi pond and they are cheeky beasts. Don’t mess with them.
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/26/2010 @ 8:24 pmObviously I wasn’t suggesting the ammonia and bleach for you or the raccoons.
Chris Hooten (ad81a4) — 8/26/2010 @ 8:26 pmOther approaches to consider, MD:
http://www.gardendesk.com/2009/04/3-ways-to-keep-raccoons-out-of-corn.html
http://www.ehow.com/how_156033_keep-raccoons-garden.html
http://www.acmehowto.com/howto/pest/racoons-yard.php
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1688266/how_to_keep_raccoons_out_of_your_garden.html?cat=32
My wife, on the other hand, wanted to mount raccoon skulls all along the fencing as a warning: Here is the House of Pain.
Hmmm….
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/26/2010 @ 8:31 pmMD in Philly – You must have skipped over the mooning part.
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/26/2010 @ 8:33 pmYeah, don’t mess with raccoons. I was microwaving bacon one night, and threw away the greasy paper towels in the trash by the door. About an hour later (late evening) I glance out the window, and see a big raccoon, standing on it’s hind legs, over 3 feet tall, staring at me through the sliding glass window about 4 feet from me. He just stared me down until I lurched at it. The thing was fearless, it kind of lumbered off. I don’t think I would mess with a Raccoon. Oh, and apparently they really like bacon 🙂
Chris Hooten (ad81a4) — 8/26/2010 @ 8:33 pm“Being offended by the building of a mosque there is bigotry in and of itself.”
Hooten – That cannot possibly be the answer, because according to Mayor Bloomberg, WE ARE ALL MUSLIMS.
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/26/2010 @ 8:36 pmEveryone have a good night…
Chris Hooten (ad81a4) — 8/26/2010 @ 8:38 pmMD in Philly – Buy a coyote.
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/26/2010 @ 8:39 pmChris,
I used to take my kids camping in that indian princess pogram and one of the guys showed up with a brand new 4 door double axle pickup – from his work – it was a beaut
anyway we cooked way too much bacon that morning and he unwisely just wrapped it in alum foil and left it on the floor of the truck when we were going camping
He cracked the windows about a inch or so and someone asked him wasnt he worried about raccoons – naww he said no way they can get in – well long story short – raccoons for bacon can and will squeeze their way in and they had a street war fighting over the bacon shredding and crapping over everything in that new truck
it was covered by insurance but his boss made him wear a dollar store Daniel Boone cap for a month!
priceless
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 8/26/2010 @ 8:42 pmComment by daleyrocks
Yeah, I read the mooning part.. it was the getting bit in the butt part that got my attention.
Thanks, Eric and all. I’ll have some things to try out.
My oldest son acquired a Norwegian Elkhound a number of weeks ago and it goes nuts over squirrels. I’m not sure how easy it would be to get it into the attic, though.
Signing out from the East Coast, goodnight Chet, goodnight David.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/26/2010 @ 8:45 pmhttp://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=186087
ian cormac (6709ab) — 8/26/2010 @ 8:48 pmEPWJ- that’s also interesting, as my friend the carpenter said there was no way a racoon could get into the attic through a space as small as was present in the soffit (100 year old house- a hand-full).
Buy a coyote
Life just gets more interesting, ran into someone with a pet wolf a few weeks ago- said he had been living in Alaska the last 25 years and lots of people had them- not sure how I’d get it into the attic either…
Good night, good night.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/26/2010 @ 8:52 pmI used a havahart trap (you can get these at Lowes or the Home Depot) and some sardines to deal with a raccoon that wounded my wife’s thankfully immunized car. It was quite easy. What you do with the captured animal is up to you, but they carry many diseases that can harm pets and people, so I think it’s rude to dump them down the road on other folks. You can humanely kill them with a (very strong) BB gun or less humanely kill them with poison. Obviously, be mindful of your neighbors and their pets. I actually caught a cat with the havahart trap before the raccoon showed up, and was grateful I selected a ‘safe’ trap. There are state laws regarding whether or not you can ‘hunt’ raccoons. It’s not a problem here.
I’ve also been successful warding off animals with cayenne pepper, which I apply when I mow.
Thankfully, ever since I got my dog, I haven’t had a problem with raccoons. I think a dog that can’t deal with this problem isn’t worth feeding.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/26/2010 @ 8:56 pmimmunized cat, I mean. The car hasn’t had its shots yet.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/26/2010 @ 8:57 pmooo, if you’re taking care of ones in your attic, be really careful to get the young so they don’t starve and leave a real problem, and also check your A/C ductwork. I had a raccoon my wife named Atticus that sent our power bill through the roof.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/26/2010 @ 9:00 pmThanks, Dustin. City animal control will come and get ones that are trapped (or trapped in a closet after falling through the trap door access to the attic). But for some reason they won’t go into the attic to fetch them.
Chris Hooten mentioned hot peppers as well.
Yes, I was wondering what one did to immunize a car, and why it made any difference.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/26/2010 @ 9:11 pmMD, if the darned beast is in your attic, time to bring in pricey professionals….it’s safer that way.
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/26/2010 @ 9:33 pmMD in Philly – We’re coming up on flu season so now is probably not a bad time to immunize your car.
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/26/2010 @ 9:33 pmOr at least make it wear a muffler, daley?
Eric Blair (28f3dc) — 8/26/2010 @ 9:34 pmAnybody know anything to repel racoons, like to chase them out of your attic? I’m trying moth balls which worked for squirrels.
Comment by MD in Philly — 8/26/2010 @ 5:41 pm
Try an African Elephant, not the Indian Elephant. The African Elephants love stomping raccoons and jackasses both. Indian Elephants only stomp jackasses. To get them up those little steps thru your attic access isssss a little tricky tho. First you have to grease em up, and then tell them to think “light”. This isssssss vewy important. You don’t want an elephant falling thru your ceiling. If he does he then stomps the one that forgot to tell him to think light.
Also it is the reason that animal control will not go into your attic. They are afraid of falling thru ceilings, causing damage and being sued, or afraid that you become an enraged African Elephant and stomping them for being a jackass for falling thru your ceiling.
peedoffamerican (45f681) — 8/26/2010 @ 10:05 pmbtw, arguably off topic. the outgoing miss universe basically proverbially flips off Hugo Chavez.
http://allergic2bull.blogspot.com/2010/08/slipping-little-politics-into-miss.html
yes, at least one picture is involved.
Aaron Worthing (f97997) — 8/26/2010 @ 10:27 pmIf the raccoons have young in the attic, nothing is going to drive them away by choice. If they don’t, blaring talk radio all day might drive them out.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/26/2010 @ 10:50 pm“If they don’t, blaring talk radio all day might drive them out.”
I don’t know about raccoons, but I know if you play Limbaugh’s program, it’ll chase all your liberals away in about five minutes.
Dave Surls (4421b6) — 8/26/2010 @ 11:02 pmcaddy comes from a french dialect where it had meant “young guy” and cabbie comes from another french word… cabriolet. Like the gayest vw ever. But in engrish a cabbie most often gets the more feminine ie while a caddy usually gets the more masculine y.
I have no point whatsoever it’s just interesting.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 8/26/2010 @ 11:35 pmWell Dave, it is Philadelphia, so odds are it is a registered Democrat, even the little ones too young to vote. So if it is a Democrat, which has as its symbol a donkey, can I use either an African or Indian elephant? It doesn’t matter, though, as I think the Philly zoo got rid of their elephants because it cost too much to feed them.
I told a friend that I was going to play “Rocky Racoon” over and over until it got annoyed, which for me would be about 1 1/2 times. Maybe I can get Rush to use it as bumper music and hit’em with a twofer. Maybe I’ll record it and put it on YouTube.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/27/2010 @ 1:24 amHootersRejectedHimForBeingTooFat oozed:
Icy Texan (a546bd) — 8/27/2010 @ 4:08 amMuslims did not attack us on 9/11.
— Riiight. It was really a group of frustrated encyclopedia salesmen that were fed up with having doors slammed in their faces.
How about clowns?
— Yes. You give the rest of them a bad name.
If the ex RNC chairman comes out of the closet as gay, are all the other ones gay too[?]
— Yes. All of the ex RNC chairmen are gay. On a more positive note, they also are able to construct sentences properly.
If there is one guy that runs the tea party rallies, and he puts out an apparently racist email, are all the tea-partiers racist? Is the entire tea-party movement then a racist movement?
— “Paging Shirley Sherrod. Mrs. Sherrod to the white discourtesy phone.”
12.Conflating the actions of a few Muslims with all of them. How prejudiced and insulting.
— Ditto to you and your false conclusion as to why 70+ percent of us oppose it.
13.What about all of the Muslims that perished in the twin towers,
— The ones that were inside airplanes holding box cutters? I don’t give a shi’ite about them.
or were first responders? Or worked for months in the dangerous rubble? Does the feelings of their families count on this issue? Or only the victims that were non-muslim?
— Of course the feelings of their families count. Do you know what their feelings are?
Or maybe it shouldn’t really be part of the issue at all.
— But if Roman Polanski’s victim(s) just wants it to be over, then it’s all about what the victim wants; right?
16.Presumably, the Muslims stating “no mosque at ground zero” are worried about repercussions from the prejudiced yahoos that are against this whole thing.
— Presumably, you probably shouldn’t presume anything, since most likely you will be found to have been presumptious. Do you need the NAACP or Tom Will-sack to give you a lesson in jumping the gun?
It is really the prejudice and faulty logic of the protestors[sic] at fault here. They are creating a mob mentality against all Muslims.
— Sure. Because YOU “know” what is in the hearts of the protesters.
I think most of those protesters are too stupid to even understand the relationship between Islam and Muslims
— Nice. Well, now that you’ve had your patronizing “Bill Maher moment”, how does it feel?
36.How about the Muslims that jumped from the 100th floor?
— No virgins for them, unless they managed to take out an infidel when they landed.
“presumptuous”
Icy Texan (a546bd) — 8/27/2010 @ 4:16 amBloomberg made a fool of himself on the Daily Show
ian cormac (6709ab) — 8/27/2010 @ 5:18 amWow. Is the Chris Hooten blog?
Chris, islam co-exists all over the world with horrific practices. I just saw a clip in which an iman said that genital mutilation of girls is not a matter with which islam is concerned. It’s not in the koran, so if you want to “honor the girl’s future husband” and “give her dignity” by mutilating her genitals, go ahead. If you don’t want to, you don’t have to. Islam doesn’t care either way.
There’s every reason to be careful of such a group of people and those who obey them.
Hmmm .... (39cd37) — 8/27/2010 @ 5:29 amApparently crissyhooten finally passed out.
JD (2f9e08) — 8/27/2010 @ 7:00 amhttp://bigjournalism.com/mfrazier/2010/08/27/follow-the-money-could-mayor-bloombergs-business-interests-in-the-middle-east-have-anything-to-do-with-his-support-of-the-ground-zero-mosque/
ian cormac (6709ab) — 8/27/2010 @ 7:06 amIt is the equivalent of conflating Christians being all terrorists because of what Timothy McVeigh did
There is no evidence McVeigh’s religious beliefs, whatever they were, had anything to do with his actions. Are you actually not aware of the hijackers’ religious motives? Or the Ft. Hood attacker’s? Do you understand why your analogy is stupid?
Gerald A (2b94cf) — 8/27/2010 @ 7:23 amGerald – No, he does not.
JD (2f9e08) — 8/27/2010 @ 7:33 amI’ll only add that anyone who allows their dog to go after raccoons is asking for some serious trouble. We had them more than a few times, but no way did I let out our Golden to chase them, not ever. Raccoons can take on almost any dog, and since where there’s one there are usually others, wave goodbye to your best friend if he tries to take them on. They are big, have long and nasty claws, and of course often carry rabies.
Dmac (d61c0d) — 8/27/2010 @ 7:42 amAll real Americans know collective guilt only applies to liberals.
libarbarian (90bd00) — 8/27/2010 @ 8:46 amhttp://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=382385&version=1&template_id=57&parent_id=56
I am trying to find out more
EricPWjohnson (e83e82) — 8/27/2010 @ 9:15 amDmac, there is a big difference between a hound and a golden.
But even a golden can be enough to scare off a lot of animals. It’s more of a deterrent than a ‘release the hounds’ chain on my door when I see a Raccoon or a cable TV salesman. A good dog can really help with this kind of problem by being an alert presence that animals avoid, without getting to the point where they are rolling around in the living room.
However, as far as matchups go, there’s really no contest. Raccoons do not have much of a defense to a good hound.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/27/2010 @ 9:16 amcure for the racoons
ColonelHaiku (60a24c) — 8/27/2010 @ 9:18 amdavey crockett coonskin cap
on stump with spotlight
And while I’m coming across as a country boy who hates raccoons, I actually think they are pretty adorable and don’t like to see them suffering. There are some videos of hounds hunting raccoons on youtube if someone is curious what I’m referring to. dmac’s right that it would be really cruel to knowingly have a Golden or a terrier or a border collie actually kill one, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t a big help.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/27/2010 @ 9:21 amMD: I suggest you call “Billy the Exterminator” to get rid of the racoons. Not only will he take care of them, you will be entertained in the process.
As for Mr/Ms Hooten: I don’t think he believes a word he says.
PatAZ (9d1bb3) — 8/27/2010 @ 9:23 amcolonel used to watch
ColonelHaiku (60a24c) — 8/27/2010 @ 9:24 amracoons washing snails in spa
before consuming
What’s the likelihood that ammo will be banned (for having lead)?
My guess (and this is completely pulled out of my rear end) is that the ‘compromise’ will be some kind of environmental damage tax tacked on to lead products, making ammo far more expensive and greatly reducing participation in shooting sports.
In reality, the lead in bullets is a non-issue, but for a Chicago based administration, individual liberty and confidence is the enemy of Alinsky style agitation and dependence.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/27/2010 @ 9:38 am_______________________________________________
You really are nuts, Hooten, and the people here who tolerate you and respond to you as if you were making sense are enablers. — Mike K
But we all know his heart is in the right place! [snicker, guffaw] We all know that liberal sentiment makes a person kinder and more humane! Uh-huh, so much so they end up shedding tears over — or, at the very least, giving a million benefits of the doubt to — a theology like this:
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Mark (411533) — 8/27/2010 @ 9:38 amWRT Raccoons and dogs: My dad worked somewhere a while back where there was a raccoon backed into a bush, with two coyotes attacking it. It fended them off successfully for quite some time, and they finally gave up. They are vicious little things, and I am not sure most dogs would do well against those nasty claws. Coyotes are meaner, and more persistent.
Chris Hooten (1c8f71) — 8/27/2010 @ 9:54 amHooten, just to repeat myself, I think a good dog can often prevent that encounter from taking place. A worthwhile dog is also alert, letting the owner know of problems earlier.
However, check out a youtube clip of hounds hunting raccoons if you are curious. Some dogs are actually quite adept and flinging those raccoons around without much the raccoons can say about it.
Coyotes might look a lot tougher, but in reality, they are no match for specialization in breeding.
My advice is to have a good dog to let you know if you have this problem, hopefully ward some of it off, and an effective trap. Once they are in the attic, you’re probably going to need to rely on a professional (human).
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/27/2010 @ 10:03 amDustin, my understanding is that the EPA is statutorily prohibited from banning ammunition, but this administration specifically and the EPA in general is quite contemptuous of the law.
The insane phobia about lead is disturbing. Like all of the environmental crusades of the last half century or so.
SPQR (b8ef0f) — 8/27/2010 @ 10:10 amRaccoons are vicious fighters. But there is a difference between a well fed coyote and a hungry coyote …
SPQR (b8ef0f) — 8/27/2010 @ 10:11 amSPQR, it is disturbing. I think California went nuts on the issue RE condors, and the environmental lead levels were not affected.
Like I said, I forsee a tax, not an overt ban. They may pretend to be banning it, only to pull back with a tax and pretend to be moderate.
I realize this is politically insane, but we aren’t exactly talking about masterminds of keeping the majority, are we?
Either that, or the admin’s actually heavily invested in firearms and ammunition plants, and doing all they can to keep the demand super high.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/27/2010 @ 10:14 am161.colonel used to watch
racoons washing snails in spa
before consuming
Comment by ColonelHaiku
Long ago someone I knew talked about watching raccoons in captivity “eat” a sugar cube.
In one way it seems like a cruel trick on the little beasts, but since I don’t think they suffer permanent damage, I allow myself to think it is hilarious. On occasion I liken myself to that poor raccoon, wondering what the heck is going on.
A few years ago a friend in vet school here in philly took into school what was left of the racoon that tangled with his neighbors dog (not sure of the breed, but it handily had the best end of the fight). Indeed it was positive for rabies.
The little bugger was quite cute, but let out the nastiest sounds when it was grabbed with the noose. I wondered if it was actually a Tasmanian Devil.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/27/2010 @ 10:27 amDustin, some further research showed that larger dogs can kill raccoons (obviously with MD’s story, also), and even coyotes, although the reverse can happen, with the common coyote/wolf hybrids in the east. They have been known to kill pitbulls. Small dogs and cats don’t do so well against either.
Chris Hooten (1c8f71) — 8/27/2010 @ 10:57 amSPQR: True, but around here there are a lot of pets and rodents (squirrels, rabbits), as well as pet food in peoples yards, and trash. I suppose they must have been pretty hungry to take on a big fat raccoon, though. And they gave up in much less time than they normally would, I think. They can hunt animals for up to 21 hours, and even hunt for 8 hours before giving up.
Chris Hooten (1c8f71) — 8/27/2010 @ 11:01 amAgreed, Chris. Hounds are fascinating dogs. And they are kinda terrible at a lot of the things people love dogs for (I don’t think they are very much fun for a young boy to play with).
It’s amazing to me how a dogs can have such tremendous diversity between breeds of the same species. Either way, raccoons are really filthy animals and as cute as they are, they are too delicious with a little blue cheese dressing and a buffalo sauce marinade.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/27/2010 @ 11:28 amI had a Brittany Spaniel growing up, and she brought home several raccoons just to show off. Birds too. And a still live catfish once.
JD (51cca5) — 8/27/2010 @ 12:37 pmThe catfish is very impressive, JD.
I’ve seen cats handle scorpions like nobody’s business. Cats and dogs are easily underestimated because these days people do not use them. But we didn’t originally keep them around because they were cute.
A nice scrappy foster child is also a very handy predator. Particularly if they know martial arts.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/27/2010 @ 12:49 pmI heard on the radio that Mayor Bloomberg was heading out to Nevada to raise funds for Harry Reid. I wonder if he’s going to tell Harry that he’s a bigot for opposing the Ground Zero Mosque. I hope somebody asks the question.
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/27/2010 @ 1:12 pmJust saw that Bloomy went up to Martha’s Vineyard this morning to play a round of golf with Teh Won. Who knew he played golf? Not I.
And now the word is out that this Enright cabby stabby guy was not a racist but a drunk. That covers the leftists rears on this one.
PatAZ (9d1bb3) — 8/27/2010 @ 1:20 pm“That covers the leftists rears on this one.”
PatAZ – I disagree. In some accounts I have seen, the cabbie said he was not acting drunk. Even if he was, however, go with the old truism, In Vino Veritas.
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/27/2010 @ 1:35 pmFrank J. from IMAO says:
“You almost have to feel for the liberals at this point. They keep getting so close to that example of right-wing violence and hate that they’re salivating over, and then Lucy keeps pulling away the football. It’s like liberals have gotten so annoying, they’ve actually annoyed God, and now He is toying with them.”
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/27/2010 @ 2:02 pmDaley: So true. According to the article I read, his friends said he wasn’t a racist, but a drunk. Nothing like friends on your side.
PatAZ (9d1bb3) — 8/27/2010 @ 3:11 pm“he volunteered for an organization that supports the Ground Zero mosque, a fact buried in most stories”
Yes, because everyone just HAS to agree with the political positions of their employers. I mean, it’s not like it’s possible that he could privately oppose something that his employer supports, is it?
libarbarian (90bd00) — 8/27/2010 @ 3:59 pmlibarbarian, was he a volunteer or an employee?
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/27/2010 @ 4:23 pmMost people go around volunteering with quasi-political organizations that they do not agree with, MD. It seems as though that is what libarbarian would like for us to believe.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/27/2010 @ 4:30 pmHooten, coyotes will sometimes play with something like a dog or a cat. A hungry coyote would have already had the napkin under its chin, the mustard out, and the raccoon picked clean with a burp.
libarbarian, its called “evidence” … try it sometime.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/27/2010 @ 5:01 pm“Facts to a Leftist, are like Kryptonite to Superman!”
AD - RtR/OS! (30fc3f) — 8/27/2010 @ 5:32 pm“Most people go around volunteering with quasi-political organizations that they do not agree with, MD.”
JD – Sure, if the organization had a bunch of hot chicks working there I can see it, but most of these lib places seem to attract the dregs of humanity.
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/27/2010 @ 5:43 pmNot true – I once threw rocks with a like – minded hottie at the local Starbucks during a world trade conference, and we made hot, dissident monkey – love later that night at the local youth hostel.
Dmac (d61c0d) — 8/27/2010 @ 5:52 pmThen we burned sage oil later.
Dmac (d61c0d) — 8/27/2010 @ 5:52 pmDmac – I said most and are you sure it was a chick?
daleyrocks (940075) — 8/27/2010 @ 6:03 pmOUCH!
GM Roper (5f13e9) — 8/27/2010 @ 6:18 pmDmac, liar – it was patchouli oil.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/27/2010 @ 6:25 pmExactly, gentlemen. There is no evidence that he was not a leftist, and ample evidence that he was. Librarian wants to play LOOK BUNNIES, as the left desperately needs an act of political violence by the Right, to cement teh narrative. Mind you, teh narrative of the violence inciting right will continue apace, despite yet another act of leftist violence.
JD (3dc31c) — 8/27/2010 @ 7:18 pm“Librarian wants to play LOOK BUNNIES, as the left desperately needs an act of political violence by the Right”
This is such a pathetic little game, anyway. I could list scores of violent attacks from democrats or leftists over the past few years. There is a fringe on the right, but it’s just not a factor like nutcases on the left.
And that’s librarian’s fault. It’s the fault of the MSM and the left that constantly ignores the absolutely horrible elements of their movement. You don’t see Sherrod level bigots of SEIU level thugs last as relevant to the right because we weed them out in a heartbeat.
Librarian owes this country an apology, and probably a blood donation to make up for the blood spilled while the left ignores any psycho in their quest for one from the right. Clean your house, librarian.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/27/2010 @ 11:43 pm^stop being such a Little Eichman. And Librarian works in the Anarchist’s bookstore down the street.
Dmac (d61c0d) — 8/28/2010 @ 7:35 am“You almost have to feel for the liberals at this point.’
I don’t know…the main thing I feel when it comes to liberals is nausea, and as far as I can tell, nothing has changed.
Dave Surls (83b2cc) — 8/28/2010 @ 5:51 pmNo mention of gerrymandering in this account of yesterday’s events at the Lincoln Memorial. Hard to figure.
angeleno (7195fb) — 8/29/2010 @ 12:13 pmhttp://bigpeace.com/cbrim/2010/08/29/coming-august-31-direct-access-stimulus-grants-for-the-muslim-brotherhood/
ian cormac (6709ab) — 8/29/2010 @ 12:40 pmWell, Eric’s links and others following them mentioned both moth balls and ammonia as chemical repellents- didn’t happen to mention capsaicin, though spraying it on tomatoes sounds like a good idea (makes a better salsa, as well). So, I’ve added ammonia to the mothballs in areas where they were seen, as well as possible entrances. Tomorrow two major access points will be closed up.
References said using light and noise, such as talk radio, can be effective too. If they’re still around after tomorrow, I’m thinking one of those fancy balls made of mirrors to reflect light and some disco music will be next. If it doesn’t work it may be a winner on America’s Funniest Home Video (Racoon family dancing to “Staying Alive”), Hendrix and Cream turned up a possibility. If nothing else works, I’m going to get the complete collection of Al Gore’s speeches to play, and when I hear them snoring I’ll just sneak up there and bag ’em.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/29/2010 @ 7:04 pmI saw one confrontation in the woods between a raccoon and a German Shepherd. The dog was promptly gutted.
Here in Florida gators dwell in the canals and many of those noisy terrier types just vanish. And big snakes get their share of cats and dogs alike.
Used to tick me my union dues went to support liberal agenda. Just one reason why I quit the union. Naturally they passed a law saying since you derive benefits from union doing collective bargaining, you must still pay them tribute. ganda
aoibhneas (47f3ae) — 8/29/2010 @ 8:28 pmA German Sheppard is an awesome dog to fall to some lousy old raccoon. What a shame. I’d have lost that bet if I had been asked what would happen, but goes to show you the difference between a wild and a tame animal, I suppose.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 8/29/2010 @ 8:39 pmComment by MD in Philly — 8/29/2010 @ 7:04 pm
Well, it’ll either put them to sleep, or you’re going to have one Hell of a job cleaning up the puke from them getting very sick from the sound of his voice.
AD - RtR/OS! (59b5c9) — 8/29/2010 @ 9:40 pm– MD
Sometimes animals are smarter than humans, for instance, when they are repelled by talk radio.
Chris Hooten (9a8b9e) — 8/30/2010 @ 6:35 amThere are lots of animals smarter than crissyhooten,
JD (1cc534) — 8/30/2010 @ 6:45 amI was working on an article to be submitted to the Journal of Irreproducible Results, comparing the effectiveness of different radio programs. I’ve run into trouble, though. The reaction was so severe to NPR that I’m afraid I’ll be hauled into court for cruelty to animals if I include that data, but if I don’t it will be a dishonest and skewed study.
They did sit up and pay attention to Mr. Rodgers, and especially liked ‘Bunny Rabbit” on Captain Kangaroo.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/30/2010 @ 10:26 amIf the stab wound wasn’t very deep it’s likely that it was a staged event for propaganda purposes and stabber and stabee are playing on the same team.
j curtis (64f417) — 8/30/2010 @ 10:28 am