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8/25/2010

Poll: 71 Percent of Americans Believe It Is Inappropriate to Build Mosque Near Ground Zero

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 4:55 pm

Or 72 percent, depending on whether you believe the chart or the story.

Racists.

54 Responses to “Poll: 71 Percent of Americans Believe It Is Inappropriate to Build Mosque Near Ground Zero”

  1. inappropriate is a great word… tacky is also a great word. So is dickish.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  2. that is so sad. apparently 71% of us are racists.

    Including the current Miss USA: http://allergic2bull.blogspot.com/2010/08/latest-anti-muslim-bigot-to-come-out.html

    (there are illustrative pictures of this racist at the link, if you are into that kind of thing.)

    /irony

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  3. There is no reason except for xenophobia, religious intolerance, unconstitutional action, bigotry, and racism to oppose the 9/11 debris and body part field not-mosque but community outreach and bride building dialogue inspiring Muslim YMCA.

    JD (3dc31c)

  4. This is all so unexpected!

    AD - RtR/OS! (01b64a)

  5. I’m more interested in the 29% who said there was no right to.

    geoff (8bb588)

  6. The inappropriateness czar needs to have a word with them.

    ras (b7f440)

  7. How long until Teh One, by way of idiot Gibbs, tries to tell us “Let me be very clear, it has always been my position that … ” and tries to assume the most popular political position?

    JD (3dc31c)

  8. Late(still unconfirmed) word from the Vineyard is that the president has just choked on his shrimp upon hearing the results of this survey.

    elissa (f224b1)

  9. I would like to know Justice Kagen’s position on this.

    TimesDisliker (f49701)

  10. Someone today on the radio remarked that we’ve gone from fighting Moscovites, to Mosquevites.
    It might sound the same, but it is a far, far deadlier enemy, who has no fear of death, and in fact, seems to welcome it.

    AD - RtR/OS! (01b64a)

  11. So sad; that mosque would have been a splendid place to perform gay marriages. Oh, wait, I forgot…never mind.

    Old Coot (fc2376)

  12. It is obvious that Muslims have the right to build, as Obama put it, where it is legal for them to do so.

    Consider that we do not call Blacks Negros and we don’t call Asians Orientals. We have the right to do so, but we don’t because we consider that we are mutual citizens of a great country that tries to get along one with another.

    The forceful push to build a Mosque, on what the majority of 9/11 families consider sacred ground, is rude. These same Muslims are asking for tolerance when they are not being tolerant themselves. And the result: severe animosity towards ALL Muslims. The majority of Americans polled DO NOT WANT any Mosque located anywhere near the site of 9/11. Over 70% of Americans have indicated a preference for NO Mosque at ground zero.

    Here is the result:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/25/AR2010082504298.html?hpid=topnews

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/243580/its-about-sharia-andrew-c-mccarthy

    It is now inescapable to me that Muslims, Islam, and the Koran are evil and intolerant at their core. Investigate Koran teachings regarding Jews and others — there’s much hate and calls to violence.

    Also, how can, given what the Koran DICTATES about Jews and infidels, Mayor Bloomberg say that we should be tolerant towards these Muslims. Would he, or does he, show the same “tolerance” for skin-heads and their pro-NAZI and pro-Hitler propaganda? Let’s ask. In Europe, you can’t buy Hitler’s Mein Kampf because it is considered hate literature.

    Read the articles above and also Pam Geller’s website regarding what exactly the Koran dictates: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.

    It is no longer surprising that young enthusiastic Muslims, who take the Koran seriously and read, re-read, and read again its tenets, become fanatical, extreme Islamists and above all become radicalized terrorists. Without a single doubt, the Koran of Islam is a book of hate.

    Even “moderate” Muslims, if they read, worship, pray and believe the Koran, are extreme in their minds and are without a doubt partial to the feelings of the extremist Muslims. The main proponent of the Mosque at ground zero has said himself that the U.S. was somehow responsible itself for the 9/11 attack. Radical thinking. But American’s are no fools; they are watching these Muslims very carefully.

    Remember, there are less than 1% Muslims in the U.S. And, the United States statistically is STILL a Christian nation (despite what Muslim Obama says); 70% of American’s identify themselves as Christian in the United States.

    There will be NO Mosque at “ground zero”. And, still, the animosity created against the Muslims, and Islam, because of the hatred contained in the Koran, will spread and grow throughout America.

    It is wrong to say that the Muslims have made significant contributions to America. It is not so. It has been the majority of European Caucasians, and others, that have made major sacrifices and have been exceedingly inventive to provide America and Europe with the tremendous growth and prosperity.through hard work and sacrifice, that we all benefit from — these being members of a Christian society and cultures.

    May the Christian Lord continue to bless America. We will fight Sharia and Koran influences as totally unAmerican and unconstitutional perversions. This we will do immediately. Nip this Sharia and Koran in the bud in America and let’s get back to our prosperity.

    AdrianS (dc25a1)

  13. Bloomberg should have expended at least the same amount of energy convincing Feezul Abdul Ralph of the wisdom of building the mosque elsewhere as he did telling him he had every right to build it.

    The public outcry tells us that it is not the right time, and that building the mosque at that site will create further animosity and division in this country. A true “bridge-builder” would see the wisdom in that.

    ColonelHaiku (60a24c)

  14. Btw, you might have heard of that guy who allegedly attacked a muslim cab driver in NYC that now the left is pinning on this controversy. i fisk juan cole over a particularly odious example of that, here: http://allergic2bull.blogspot.com/2010/08/on-collective-blame-and-root-causes-and.html

    And then i also link to video showing a PRO-mosque supporter telling a holocaust survivor he didn’t learn his lesson. yes, its that ugly.

    http://allergic2bull.blogspot.com/2010/08/gzm-supporter-states-curses-out.html

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  15. The disconnect on this issue between the rulers along with the arbiters or what’s right and what’s wrong is simply astonishing.

    I have no brook with Islam. It’s practitioners are free to practice their religion as they see fit.

    I, personally, see this proposed construction as a matter of bad taste.

    If that makes me a bigot or racist, so be it, because the words have ceased to have meaning.

    Ultimately, I think that is the downfall of the left. Their incessant call of anyone who disagrees with their vision always comes to two things: racism or bigotry.

    Except, we’re not. As Americans we value life, liberty and equality. It has been ingrained in our culture for decades.

    We understand our past and we realize it is time to move on from the shadow of things that happened before most of us were born.

    It is a sick and racist thing to continue to parse Americans into pseudo-groups for nothing more than political gain.

    But I promise you, the left will continue to do so until I’m dead and in the grave because they find this great American experiment an anathema to their vision of government-enforced equality without every realizing where that leads.

    Ag80 (fdd4b3)

  16. Interesting that they appear to be innumerate.

    71% + 11% + 21% is not 100% on my calculator and never was when I went to school.

    If their math is this sloppy what of the poll? (Off hand I suspect they overestimated the support for the Mosque.)

    {^_^}

    JD (98e9d7)

  17. JD, the innumeracy belongs to the people who wrote the article, not the people who conduct the poll (such things are normally not done by the same people).

    the poll pdf itself says:

    There is a proposal to build a mosque and Islamic cultural center a few blocks from
    the site of the World Trade Center in New York City where the September 11th terrorist
    attacks occurred. Do you think it is appropriate or not appropriate to build a mosque and
    Islamic center near the site of the World Trade Center?
    Appropriate 22 10 32 22
    Not appropriate 71 88 57 70
    DK/NA 7 2 11 8

    where the number columns are sorted by party: total, rep, dem, ind.

    aphael (73ebe9)

  18. grrr. you’d think i could get my own name right.

    aphrael (73ebe9)

  19. aphrael – Honest question. Do you think I am a Democrat?

    JD (3dc31c)

  20. I know what the problem is, aphrael. You’re an alphabetist and the hated “r” is in your name. It has to send electric shocks to your arm every time you hit the “r” key. *grin*

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  21. ” I am a Democrat

    Comment by JD — 8/25/2010 @ 10:29 pm ”

    Direct quotes never lie. What’s funny is that this is actually no more blatant than what he did to me. Not even slightly more ridiculous. Maybe EPWJ is only pretending to be a moby?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  22. Shirley Sherrod is a Democrat, and a racist.
    JD is a racist; and, therefore . . .

    Icy Texan (2b06b5)

  23. 5. I’m more interested in the 29% who said there was no right to.
    Comment by geoff — 8/25/2010 @ 5:20 pm

    — And? If you’re about to assert that they have a constitutionally protected “right” to build, then prepare yourself for: *step* *flip* *whap!* “Oh, my nose!”

    [That is now the official sound effect to accompany the innumerable times when Sideshow geoff steps on a rake.]

    Icy Texan (2b06b5)

  24. These same Muslims are asking for tolerance when they are not being tolerant themselves.

    — And who are their most ardent non-Muslim supporters? Liberal Democrats. What does this say about the tolerance level of those folks? If they are intolerant of our intolerance, does that make them doubly intolerant?

    Icy Texan (2b06b5)

  25. Geoff is Bart is pizzathehut is imdw and so forth.

    I’ll put it up to a vote what should be done. Stashiu would have been on top of this but I’m not.

    Patterico (a7990b)

  26. My vote is unwavering: Keep him around, and keep challenging him to argue with FACT-BASED OPINIONS, as opposed to the all-too predictable lobs of non sequiturs, ad hominems, patronizing, personal attacks (rare, in his case, but on occasion . . .) and especially his stereotyping of the opposition.

    If, on the other hand, he repeats what he did in that thread about Harry Reid saying that Obama could win the presidency because he was ‘light-skinned and well-spoken’ — wherein he went on forever and several days about Strom Thurmond’s “racist platform” from 1940-something — then he will become quite tiring quite soon.

    Icy Texan (2b06b5)

  27. Geoff is Bart is pizzathehut is imdw and so forth.

    I’ll put it up to a vote what should be done.

    Whatever you decide, that information made my decision for me. I am no longer able to see his comments.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  28. I hate to say I told you so, but I said that was imdw some time ago.

    JD (048775)

  29. Indeed, JD gets points for the spot.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  30. JD: I think you’re a conservative, which means you probably aren’t a Democrat. :)

    aphrael (73ebe9)

  31. Where is Stashiu?

    aphrael (73ebe9)

  32. aphrael, lurking but not moderating comments is my understanding.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  33. Most Democrats claim to be fiscally conservative during election season, aphrael 😉

    JD (3dc31c)

  34. “Most Democrats claim to be fiscally conservative during election season, aphrael”

    JD – Many Democrat candidates are claiming to be Independents this election season, heh!

    daleyrocks (940075)

  35. 5.I’m more interested in the 29% who said there was no right to.

    I’m amused at the people who’ve suddenly “found religion” on property rights. Most of these people had no trouble voting to ban smoking at restaurants and bars. Don’t the owners of restaurants and bars have property rights? But that’s different.

    As for me: whether it’s appropriate or not, the property owners have the right. And supporting property rights means that sometimes people do things you’d rather they didn’t.

    But I’m pretty sure that if a Christian sect who advocated execution for gays and adulterous women wanted to put a church — excuse me, a community center — in the heart of San Francisco that a huge number of those supporting this mosque would actively oppose the proposal.

    Some chump (4c6c0c)

  36. 71-72% of Americans are bitter clinging bigoted racists.

    JD (3dc31c)

  37. Some chump – I seem to remember a lot of Californians being upset with the Mormon Church for supporting Proposition 8. Where was the religious tolerance then? That must have been different.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  38. “71-72% of Americans are bitter clinging bigoted racists.”

    JD – And the remainder are confusing moral cowardice for moral superiority.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  39. Yet another leftist goes all killy on people, yet somehow reichwing rhetoric and hate gets blamed. Convenient, that.

    JD (3dc31c)

  40. JD – Another one firebombs his own Congressman’s office in St. Louis. The reich wing militias are pretty quiet this year compared to the loony left.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  41. How can one argue with this kind of logic:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3QukhG78Ms&feature=player_embedded

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  42. I agrre, daleyrocks, the only acceptable religious tolerance is for non-Christian religions or any liberal Christian denomination.

    It’s getting harder and harder to tell the players apart….

    Some chump (4c6c0c)

  43. Patterico @25 – I am disturbed by imdw’s repeated attempts to bypass your clear rules on the use of multiple names on this site and to evade your ban. She could have been reinstated by apologizing for her earlier conduct but chose not to. To me this demonstrates a continued lack of good faith on her part a suggests the ban remain should remain in place. I welcome opposing views if they come in good faith. imdw does not.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  44. Some chump – There seems to be little truth telling going on among the media and the media and the supporters of the mosque. Very Chamberlainesque.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  45. daleyrocks – The most recent ones are just isolated events in a long line of unrelated incidents.

    JD (3dc31c)

  46. Apology in advance for not having the details, but this am Bill Bennett had a guest (head of Middle Eastern Studies or such at Hopkins) who said a poll by a leading internet news service said over 50% of Muslims outside of the US (who answered) thought the mosque was a bad idea for the same reasons as 71% of Americans. Who knew over half of the Muslims are Islamaphobic?

    lurking but not moderating comments is my understanding
    Maybe it shows where I’d rather be, but usually when I hear the word “lurking” I picture a big muskellunge ready to attack, so right now I’m picturing Stashiu with a protruding lower jaw and a big toothy grin.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  47. I seem to remember a lot of Californians being upset with the Mormon Church for supporting Proposition 8. Where was the religious tolerance then? That must have been different.
    Comment by daleyrocks — 8/26/2010 @ 8:39 am

    — Of course it was different. Those upset Californians had Tom “Mr. Squeaky Clean All-American Boy Next Door” Hanks on their side!

    Icy Texan (2b06b5)

  48. MD in Philly, probably a very good description 😉

    SPQR (26be8b)

  49. It won’t be long before we hear the call to prayer five times a day at GZM.

    Arizona Bob (e8af2b)

  50. Should you expect the Lebanese to allow a synagogue to be built on their Ground Zero, in the aftermath of a 9/11 that occurred 5 years after ours and which, “proportionately” speaking, was 30 times the size of ours?

    Well guess what you hateful, misguided, twit?

    THEY DID.

    In the process of re-building Beirut yet again, in 2008, renovations began and have now been completed on the Maghden Abraham Synagogue located in the middle of newly renovated downtown Beirut in an area known as the “Solidere” which has become the focal point and showcase of Lebanon’s rebirth.

    This isn’t some hole in the wall, nondescript, “excuse me” synagogue hidden out of view so as to not “offend” Lebanese non-Jews—this is an elaborate, ornate, beautifully designed, cathedral-style house of worship built for a Lebanese Jewish population that totals less than 500 in a country of more than 4,000,000 (in stark contrast to the eight million American Muslims living in the United States).

    And wait until you hear Hezbollah’s response to the building of this Ground Zero Synagogue.

    (To those expecting a Newt Gingrich equivalent response, prepare to be woefully disappointed).

    Courtesy of Hassan Nasrallah himself: “We respect Judaism, just as we respect Christianity. Our only problem is with Israel.”

    Did you hear that Newt (and the rest of you idiots)?

    An Arab democracy, with a Muslim Prime Minister and a Christian President, allowed the building of a synagogue, squarely in the center of their “Ground Zero” in the heart and pride of downtown Beirut which used to be a dumping ground for Israeli military ordinances.

    An Arab democracy allowed this, without so much as a protest being made by its citizens, or allegations by politicians that this was sacrilege, or hateful commentary by the media that the Jewish faith was barbaric, or any of the other stupidity I have seen and heard plastered all over American television, talk radio, and internet-blogs regarding a certain “Ground Zero Mosque” and the Islamic faith.

    Nuke Gringo (7b734d)

  51. Nuke Gringo, there’s a difference between war and terrorism. The entire city of Beirut is not ‘ground zero’, and Israel is not the same as Al Qaida.

    Your hatred of us twits and idiots is not the same as discourse, either.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  52. A synagogue of any kind, anywhere in Beirut is the same as the GZM? The GZM? right in a building shut down on 9/11 from a plane’s debris crashing into it? With terror supporters behind the GZM?

    That’s anti-semitism, pure and simple.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

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