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Pelosi Asks For Ground Zero Mosque Funding Investigation — But It’s Not What You Think. (On Second Thought, It’s Probably EXACTLY What You Think)

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:22 am

Via A.W. comes word that Nancy Pelosi is finally asking for an investigation into the funding behind the Ground Zero mosque. It is surprising but frankly refreshing to see that someone — just one second.

[Enter, from the right side of the screen, a man in a suit with a thin tie. His gaze remains downward as he quickly walks in and hands Patterico a folded piece of paper, which Patterico opens, reads, and quickly refolds.]

I’ve just been told I had that slightly wrong. Nancy Pelosi is asking for an investigation into the funding behind the opposition to the Ground Zero mosque.

Well, now, that makes a lot more sense. Because it makes none. If you see what I mean.

For what it’s worth, that makes 68% of Americans who could go under the Pelosi microscope.

Nancy, for God’s sake, whatever you do, make sure there’s no investigation behind the funding of the mosque. MoDo says Rauf is a moderate, and by God Allah, that’s good enough for me.

115 Responses to “Pelosi Asks For Ground Zero Mosque Funding Investigation — But It’s Not What You Think. (On Second Thought, It’s Probably EXACTLY What You Think)”

  1. This would hurt Democrats so we will not report it. Pelosi said nothing.

    Wait for my 10 part story dripping slowly every day proving how “moderate” the immam is! Front page material on the WaPo and NyTimes, also Yahoo!

    The Journolist (582289)

  2. If this was anyone else, her family would do an intervention and have her locked up for a year until she could get some serious mental help. Instead, she is pushing socialist laws and talking about “The Word” being her favorite word.

    We have a saying here in the Lone Star State, “crazy as a sh!t house rat”. That’s SanFranNan.

    retire05 (688aa3)

  3. What funding behind the opposition to the Ground Zero Mosque? What big advertising campaign with lots of space and copy in the lame stream media?

    So what’s to investigate? Nancy is just being delusional here–but then that’s a steady state condition for Ma Belle Pelosi. She sees Nazis under every lawn chair at a Tea Party rally.

    Mike Myers (3c9845)

  4. Nantzi for President

    EricPWJohnson (746719)

  5. how many flavors of Islam are there ?

    Can you really be called a Muslim if you disagree with parts of Sharia law ? Most Imams around the world would say no …

    Can you be a Muslim if you accept gays and womens rights ? sure in the US you can … try that in Britan, France, Iran, Pakistan, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and a host of other Islamic countires … not so much …

    So apparently you can follow whatever parts of Islam you want in America and still call yourself a Muslim … How about we coin a new name …

    American-Muslim sounds about right … they don’t beleive in the whole gays and women subjugation thingy and don’t want to follow much of Sharia law …

    That makes it alot easier to talk about the followers of Islam that, let us say, like to blow people up and cut off heads in the name of Islam …

    Jeff (488234)

  6. Well, we already know one of the entities that are funding Feisal Abdul Rauf’s endeavors…Barack Obama’s administration.

    He’s a State Dept. hireling, when he isn’t busy building mosques in order to reach out to all the non-Muslim Americans who haven’t yet been butchered by Muslim fanatics.

    So, I wouldn’t expect Nancy Pelosi to do too much digging in that direction.

    “WASHINGTON– State Department officials on Monday confirmed Feisal Abdul Rauf, the Imam of the so-called Ground Zero Mosque, will soon be going on a trip of the Middle East and the U.S. government will be picking up the tab.”–Fox News

    Nope, don’t think the Dems are going to be investigating their Muslim henchman’s financing too closely.


    “OBAMA: But I am a strong believer in the separation of church and state”

    And, once again the stench of Obama’s hypocrisy fills the air from sea to shining sea.

    Dave Surls (69f376)

  7. Btw, Nancy would not only have to investigate 68% of all americans, but also 54% of her own party.

    Actually i am surprised because that means that opposition among republicans are only 82%. i mean that’s alot, but i would have thought it would be more like 90+.

    mmm, think i will update my blog post accordingly.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  8. Pelosi is an old, foolish fossil fuel – natural gas or otherwise.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  9. …and unemployment checks stimulate the economy.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  10. Dave

    > “OBAMA: But I am a strong believer in the separation of church and state”

    These days the democrats are practitioners of the strict separation between competency and state.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)


    I’m supposed to be getting FUNDING for opposing the mosque? When the hell do I get my check, dammit!!! I’ve been opposing it for frickin free from the start.

    You know, if the VRWC is handing out these checks to the opposition, it would be really nice if they would let people know!!!!

    Vivian Louise (eeeb3a)

  12. Hot air has its usual high quality of commentary from ed morrissey. a few snips:

    > Nancy Pelosi just guaranteed at least two new news cycles for a story, tossing even more gasoline on the fire than Barack Obama’s pas de deux this weekend

    Good point. this is NOT how you tamp down a story that is even pissing off your own party. speaking of your own party:

    > Does that mean that Pelosi wants Harry Reid investigated, too? Rep. Michael Arcuri (D-NY)?

    Hell even patterson is reportedly against it. Dang us vast right wing conspirators are even better than the masons and the templars combined in our insidiousness.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  13. Our most powerful weapons are surprise, . . .

    ian cormac (8e4d9a)

  14. I am reminded again of this passage from Ace of Spades when talking about how obambi responds to criticism:

    > It’s kind of amazing that every single criticism of, or lack of proper enthusiasm for, Barack Obama is rooted in some sort of bitter, clingy ignorance and malice. Apparently not a single critique of him is well-founded, or founded upon anything at all, really, except hatred and mental retardation.

    This is just another example of how, in the mind of the left, there is no such thing as the loyal opposition. You’re all either bigots, or stupid, or paid lackeys.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  15. Oh God! The comfy chair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Vivian Louise (eeeb3a)

  16. And to think this all really got underway with the Jedi mind trick, ‘refudiate’

    ian cormac (8e4d9a)

  17. A good time to start the “investigation” will be in the election post-mortem. How did we manage to lose 60 seats and our house majority in 4 years time? Exhibit A, telling the American people to go to hell.

    Chris (6b0332)

  18. OK, that’s it, no doubt about it. These guys bet heavily on a GOP win on Intrade, back in 2008, and they are throwing the whole election.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  19. Anita Dunn Is An Idiot!

    There was an ole gal named Dunn
    Who picked on the GOP just for fun.
    But the Progressive intolerance
    is akin to their arrogance
    Who does she think she is, John Dunne?

    OK, it’s not great poetry, but the arrogance of the Dems in general and the Obama White House in particular would try the patience of a saint, let alone a sinner. Look, it’s plain to see that Dunn is carrying water for the Obama Administration and the Dems in what looks like may be a catastrophic loss for them in November. They are pulling out their tired old playbook of calling conservatives and Republicans names such as intolerant, racist, casting aspersions far and wide. According to Dunn:

    “The Republican party as solidifying its reputation for intolerance in this year, for almost any kind of difference in American society, is going down a very dangerous long term road,” […] “labeling all Muslims in this country as terrorists.”

    GM Roper (a0b04a)

  20. I posted this link in another thread, but GM Roper’s quote makes me want to post it here, too.

    A lot of Muslims call this mosque a provocation, and they oppose its location.

    The GOP is hardly labeling ‘all Muslims’ terrorists, though I think a case could easily be made against a 9/11 supporter (anyone who blames the USA for 9/11 is a 9/11 supporter) who can’t condemn Hamas. And that’s before this slap in the face of a Mosque. Relocating this thing would be a favor to Islam, rather than oppression.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  21. Nancy Pelosi, AKA The Wicked Witch of the West. Where is Dorothy when we need her?

    BarSinister (38e0aa)

  22. She’s in Alaska

    ian cormac (8e4d9a)

  23. Of course they CAN build the mosque in the present proposed location but SHOULD they? The answer is “no” – and why is it that if we oppose something we aren’t being sensitive to their beliefs but they are permitted to be insensitive to our feelings and beliefs as much as they want. That’s nonsense of the highest order.

    Has anyone but me noticed that ole’ Nancy’s eyes are spinning counterclockwise more and more lately? She must feel her private plane slip sliding away! Let us do everything we can to insure that she’s planeless come January 1 and perkless as well!

    Gayle Miller (e5a6d9)

  24. I really do hope that in November that the GOP wins even bigger than what people are projecting. I also hope that the people that are elected have the balls to get the committees to investigate the intimidation, abuse of power and outright fraud that the Democrats have been guilty of over the years. I’d love to see Barney Frank in front of a committee explaining in detail his support of the CRA and the huge growth/intervention of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac and whether his lover (senior exec Herb Moses) influenced his decisions (that in large part earned Moses large bonuses). Frank pretty well used his position to derail any meaningful investigation into the murkey world of political payoffs at the Freddies (and Countrywide as well). This is only the tip and I hope to hell that the GOP stops playing nice and starts cleaning this den of corruption up. By the by, any Republicans caught up in this also gets charged although I will say that in terms of outright corruption, graft and payoffs the Dems make the GOP look like choirboys.

    scr_north (6f48ef)

  25. Did you folks know that there was a church destroyed on 9/11? Greek Orthodox. For 8 years, they have been trying to rebuild their church. The location where one of the towers fell on the church is not suitable now, because the space under that location is needed. It’s a bit complicated, but the church is willing to move.

    The New York authorities are not willing to work through these problems, so we have a church destroyed on ground zero not being rebuilt, because of a government decision killing the deal.

    It’s disgusting. Frankly, the slow speed with which we have rebuilt this area is disgusting. But something that pleases these corruptocrats… something less reasonable and more ‘audacity’, any problem with that is resolved quickly or even ignored.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  26. i called her Frisco office last night and left my info, as the DC phone voice mail box was already full.

    i think i’ll call back today to see if i can schedule my interview with her investigators. 😀

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  27. @ GM Roper – Did you intend John Dunne or John Donne:
    “No man is an island, entire of itself; every
    man is a piece of the continent, a part of the
    main. If a clod be washed away by the sea,
    Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory
    were, as well as if a manor of thy friend’s or
    of thine own were: any man’s death diminishes
    me, because I am involved in mankind, and
    therefore never send to know for whom the bells
    tolls; it tolls for thee.”

    wavynavy (10aa8c)

  28. The idea of “liberal fascism” is not as outlandish as I once thought. Sure, Nancy, let the Democrats investigate every idea you disapprove of. Debra Burlingame asked a few minutes ago if “Pelosi has no shame”. The answer is “no.”

    mhr (efa965)

  29. btw, pelosi is doubling down on the stupid.

    i disagree with yid’s statement she is walking back on it. she isn’t. she is just adding that we should look into the funding of the mosque founders. which makes patterico’s main post now doubly ironic.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  30. I do not think Madame Speaker is getting good political advice from her staff. I do not think Harry Reid is enjoying his view from under the bus. But, I am enjoying myself immensely watching this all unfold.

    In these parts the latest talking points are that Cordoba House is not a mosque that we are talking about, but merely a community center. So, then, what happened to all the moral superiority/constitutionally guaranteed freedom of religion talking points? Who the heck is in charge of talking points these days, anyway?

    elissa (b7beb9)

  31. elissa

    i don’t know but i am pissed as hell to find out that apparently i could have been paid to say what i have been saying, when i have been doing it for free.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  32. Aaron, it’s 63% of New yorkers opposed, not 53%.

    And that’s pretty powerful, in my opinion. Elissa is right, if this is merely a community center, not a mosque, and most of the community is opposed to it, that’s great reason to end the project.

    But they were lying about that, and Pelosi knows it, so that’s ignored. Kinda like Obama on gay marriage. We’re just supposed to ignore the downside of these ad hoc arguments.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  33. Her walk-back is comical. I did not mean just the opponents. That was out of context. I meant the opponents and the supporters, you are just too stupid to realize that.

    Nobody will ever get around to asking her where the Speaker gets off investigating either party.

    JD (1ecb57)

  34. dustin

    i would be happy to correct it, but where are you getting that number? the number i got said 53%.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  35. sorry, Aaron, I thought you just had a typo.

    My source for 63% is the SNY poll. But if you’re relying on a different poll, no biggie.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  36. ultimately for the point i was making it wasn’t important just how much as long as it was more than half.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  37. her office must be inundated… i called and asked the lady how i could schedule my interview for the investigation, and she couldn’t transfer me to the comment line fast enough.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  38. The blogosphere is hyperactive with Ground Zero Mosque posts. It’s impossible for one person to keep up with them (I’ve tried!). If you use Google Blog Search for ‘Ground Zero Mosque’ set to the last hour, they come up faster than you can comment on them.

    Most of the posts seem to be against the Victory Mosque, but many of these bloggers are working on gut feel only, and are obviously not Islamically Aware, being confused about the true nature of Islam and regarding it as just another religion.

    If we counterjihadists all spent an hour a day commenting on recent posts and pointing the bloggers in the right direction, then we could do a great educational job. You can find links to resources HERE

    Trencherbone (37fc42)

  39. I do not think Madame Speaker is getting good political advice from her staff.

    I don’t think the staff had any say. She has serious hoof-n-mouth syndrome. The staff would have to stand at her elbow with a huge sock in hand ready to stuff it her pie hole at a moment’s notice. Not the brightest bulb on the tree so she represents her district well.

    quasimodo (4af144)

  40. her office must be inundated… i called and asked the lady how i could schedule my interview for the investigation, and she couldn’t transfer me to the comment line fast enough.

    Comment by redc1c4 — 8/18/2010 @ 12:14 pm

    I called too. I asked to talk to a person and the first three times the person answering speaker Pelosi’s line sent me to voice mail. The next five times the line was disconnected (I believe I was hung up on). I then called in with my wife’s cell phone and was hung up on as soon as I politely asked to talk to a person.

    Rep. Berman’s office was friendly and even laughed at the joke when I asked where I could get my check from the funding that Pelosi is going to investigate (thank you Vivian Louise). Though I disagree with the way he votes, I have to respect them for how they treated me.

    Tanny O'Haley (12193c)

  41. Number Six: What do you want?
    Number Two: Information.
    Number Six: Whose side are you on?
    Number Two: That would be telling. We want information… information… in formation.
    Number Six: You won’t get it.
    Number Two: By hook or by crook, we will.
    Number Six: Who are you?
    Number Two: The new Number Two.
    Number Six: Who is Number One?
    Number Two: You are Number Six.
    Number Six: I am not a number! I am a free man!
    Number Two: [laughs]

    Icy Texan (a0decb)

  42. and speaking of funding issues, the ground zero mosque people won’t “rule out” getting money from… iran.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  43. Clearly, everyone donating to Harry Reid’s campaign should be hauled in front of a House committee and forced under subpoena to justify their actions.

    malclave (4f3ec1)

  44. hello is this where you go for to get the fundings?

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  45. Your check is in the mail.

    JD (1ecb57)

  46. Number Six: Who is Number One?
    Number Two: You are Number Six.
    Number Six: I am not a number! I am a free man!
    Number Two: [laughs]

    Comment by Icy Texan

    I always interpreted this as saying that number 6 IS number 1, and that’s the position he resigned from that brought him under scrutiny.

    Just as Pelosi really is the corrupt little devil she’s pretending to be searching for. Well, not *just* as that. She’s make an excellent number 2, though.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  47. #42 IcyT; that adds a whole new meaning to It Takes a Village :-)

    Me wants a Lotus 7, fugget the unicorn!

    Red County Pete (cfa4d1)

  48. PALOMINO!!!!!!

    daleyrocks (940075)

  49. @wavynavy… John Dunne of course, writer of satires and sermons… Sigh, good catch

    GM Roper (5f13e9)

  50. Pelosi’s going to have to put Howard Dean under the microscope now because he just came out and said he thinks they should move the mosque.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  51. Fresh off the shirley Sherrod debacle, conservatives are out to assassinate another character! Fine job, boys.

    I mean, we’ll ignore this guy wrote a book on how nice America for Muslims, has worked with the FBI on counter-terrorism issues, and has been sent overseas by two administrations to represent us favorably….he’s bad because he worships the wrong sky fairy.

    Since when do Americans tell other Americans where to build their churches?

    timb (449046)

  52. timb

    yeah, don’t pay attention to his blaming america for being attacked.

    and the anti-semitic tweets coming from the site.

    or the links to AQ funding.

    or their unwillingness to rule out iranian funding.

    look if patterico is such a vile site in your eyes, why do you keep coming here?

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  53. timb – Does he say the same things overseas to muslims that he says to nonmuslims here?

    Will he label Hamas a terrorist organization?

    Did he inform on anybody for the FBI or just give a few seminars on Islam?

    What was the original title of his book?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  54. “Since when do Americans tell other Americans where to build their churches?”

    timb – At town meetings every month all across the country, dumbass.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  55. Boy is a racist term.

    Whose character is being assassinated?

    JD (1ecb57)

  56. Have I missed it? Has Cindy Sheehan weighed in on the mosque yet? Seems like almost everybody else has. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a manufactured out-of-control media and poltical freak show in my life. I thought the beer summit situation was hideous. But the hysteria around this mosque (excuse me cultural center ) is even way beyond that. Hmmm, but wait. Is there a common link between the set-off of these two media circuses?. Let me think about that for second.

    elissa (b7beb9)

  57. timmah: Since when do Americans tell other Americans where to build their churches?

    — What? You mean that “church-builders need not conform to zoning laws” is NOT in the Constitution? Who’da thunk it?

    About 6 years ago — while I was still living in Arizona — the LDS wanted to build a church in our neighborhood; the church spire was to be 10 feet taller than allowed for by the local zoning law. Us residents packed the local jr high auditorium to hear their architect (an LDS member, no surprise) bullshite us about how the spire couldn’t possibly be built any shorter because it would skew the geometry of the rest of the building. During the review process several Mormons came to my door, offering to do yard work for free . . . call it a benign bribe. Ultimately, the church was built — with the taller spire in place. But NO, it wasn’t an automatic thing.

    Icy Texan (a0decb)

  58. timb is another perfect example of a progressive who confuses his moral cowardice with preening moral superiority.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  59. Plus, I’m confused why timb is commenting on a thread that Karl did not write.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  60. Daley

    i heard the original title was simply “my struggle.”

    (yes, joking)

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  61. “Since when do Americans tell other Americans where to build their churches?

    Comment by timb ”

    As I proved already, there’s a Christian Church that was destroyed by Faisal’s friends (I say friends because Faisal blames America for 9/11). that church wants to rebuild in the area and hte government denied their deal.

    So, you lose that argument.

    Let’s also note that the right didn’t assassinate this guy’s character. He has none, like many bureaucrats. That the gov trusted him means nothing to me. The gov trusted that bigot, Sherrod, too.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  62. Dustin

    I would say ordinarily they can build a mosque wherever the hell they want.

    But we are at war. and whatever their intentions, the mosque will be seen as a white flag of surrener.

    I have said to liberals a thousand times. the first amendment does not apply to tokyo rose.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  63. Off topic, but by tomorrow all combat troops should be out of Iraq. I noted the occasion on my blog.

    Vivian Louise (c7cad6)

  64. I would say ordinarily they can build a mosque wherever the hell they want.

    — That would be a good place.

    Icy Texan (a0decb)

  65. Since when do Americans tell other Americans where to build their churches?

    Comment by timb — 8/18/2010 @ 3:33 pm

    Well, since the followers of that church started murdering people by the thousands in the immediate vicinity of the planned location.

    Oddly enough, this hasn’t really been an issue with Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish churches.

    CliveStaples (0ec3e2)

  66. Icy

    What did that reconstruction military governor say about Texas?

    “If i owned hell and texas, i would live in hell and rent out texas.” something close to that.

    Of course that was before the invention of air conditioning. I say this as an alum of UNT.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  67. Btw, off topic, but hilarious in the petard hoisting.

    Apparenlty the Seneca nation is offended by something that Bloomberg said.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  68. And to think I was (foolishly) more troubled by the GZM developers stating their willingness to accept donations from Iran…

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  69. So the problem is the Islamic-Islamic Muslims?

    htom (412a17)

  70. timb apparently thinks it is appropriate for the Speaker of the House to investigate people simply because they do not share her f@cked up views.

    JD (1ecb57)

  71. dude, if you say allah, you’re supposed to say pboh (pointy beanie upon him)

    joe (4b8a7c)

  72. _______________________________________

    It’s both hilarious and sickening that a leftist like Pelosi — and many of her ilk — will shed tears for an ultra-fundamentalist, uber-conservative, no-holds-barred-reactionary religious group (ie, the degree of ruthlessness separating Islam’s Mohammed from Nazi’s Hitler doesn’t appear too great) ONLY because it’s associated with the Middle East. Only because it’s equated with the sad, dejected, pitiful, miserable people (or so-called “colored people”) of the Third World

    Look up the phrase of “useful idiot” in the encylopedia and you’ll see a photo of Nancy Pelosi, Michael Bloomberg, Barack Obama, Jeremiah Wright, etc.

    Mark (411533)

  73. That’s a great point, Mark. If someone with Faisal’s views, just an identical list of his general views, happened to be some unlikely sort of Christian, Pelosi would want him locked up.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  74. ________________________________

    timb is another perfect example of a progressive who confuses his moral cowardice with preening moral superiority.

    Leftists like him wouldn’t be so exasperating if they at least didn’t fall for the notion that their sentiments and biases are so humane, so sophisticated, so compassionate. Even more so since they perceive their political foes or opposites — certainly in the Western World — as being similar to, well — come to think of it! — Mohammed, the founder of Islam!

    Mark (411533)

  75. Joe

    I thought that the “pbuh” rule only applied to mohammed, but i could be wrong. Myself, when i refer to mohammed i think of his fourth wife aisha, who was 6 years old when he married her. But don’t worry mohammed was not such a sick bastard that he would have sex with a 6 year old girl. no, he waited to consummate their marriage until she was old enough. At 9.

    No, that is not a typo. he had sex with a girl who could count her age in single digits.

    So that is the context when i say, “Mohammed, pedophilia be upon him.”

    And indeed more than a few times i have said this is why islam has zero chance of converting me. I cannot believe that any decent God would allow that sort of thing to happen with his chief prophet. A good god would do something to prevent such an awful precedent from being set. either he would take mohammed aside and say to him, “don’t you dare touch that girl.” Or if that didn’t work, he would hit him with a lightning bolt in the nards, or just make him impotent when the time came. I don’t know but he would not let the man do that, not if he was to be his chief prophet.

    And i have been in correspondence with a pakistani muslim who learned of that fact, and it literally broke his faith.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  76. ____________________________________

    And indeed more than a few times i have said this is why islam has zero chance of converting me.

    What’s interesting are people on the left who try to create some type of moral parallel between Islamism and Christianity.

    “Oh, but look at all the horrible, ruthless, mean things that have been done in the name of Christ!,” they’ll proclaim.

    Uh, did such diabolical behavior reflect the teachings of and receive enthusiastic thumbs up from Christ?

    Mark (411533)

  77. Yes the insanity machine had a patient zero and a massive noise machine that leaped on the the stupid wagon. Everything in the Meme is not true. It is not a mosque, but a YMCA that is Muslim and as religious as a YMCA. It is blocks away, which in Manhattan might as well be miles. There is something closer to a Mosque that is closer and has been there since way before 2001. The point made by the cleric, that supporting regimes Like the Saudi’s caused some of the upset that led to the attacks, was also made by Rush and several others at that time (there is video).

    There are crazies in every major religion, more alike to each other than the religion they claim. As many crazy so called Christians as crazy so called Muslims, and there is such a Jewish group and a Hindu group, and even a Buddhist group that attacked a Japanese subway with nerve gas.

    It is not the religion but the crazies who call themselves fundamentalists when they are nothing of the sort.

    FreeDem (4eab89)

  78. As many crazy so called Christians as crazy so called Muslims

    Do you really believe that crap?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  79. I knew as soon as I saw that name in the Recent Comments section, that a blizzard of douchenozzlery and dishonesty would soon follow.

    Shall we count the just blatantly obviously falsehoods?

    1. It is not a mosque
    2. It is a Muslim YMCA
    3. It might as well be miles from Ground Zero.
    4. Pointing out that there is something “closer to a mosque” closer to Ground Zero, and then noting that its existence preceded 9/11.
    5. The point made by the cleric was made by Rush and others.
    6. It states as a fact that there are as many crazy Christians as there are Muslims. Mathematics is not its strong suit.

    That is plenty, without even trying …

    JD (1ecb57)

  80. I mean, the only way you could possibly make that work, is if you make ‘crazy’ such a wide category that you’re ranking murdering lots of innocent people with … some kind of vague nuttiness I see from Pentecostals (no offense intended by that one). Sadly, even then, I doubt your math works, but let’s not even attempt that.

    sorry, but the crazy people have a problem with Islam for leaves people dead. Don’t pretend that’s equivalent.

    Millions of people have been dying in the middle east, just during my lifetime. From war, from nutcase dictators starving their people, from bombs. Basically, from backwardness. That’s why I think it’s absolutely ridiculous that so many whined for these people that Bush would save them. They say combat troops are done in Iraq, a war I supported with ever ounce of my soul. How many hundreds of thousands, or millions, did that save?

    I realize a lot of people say Saddam was not all that religious. But that sort of despotism is part of the fabric of the Middle East that has fueled this religious warfare.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  81. The hold out in the Blago jury was Chiakulas a retired director from the Illinois Department of Public Health.

    See AosHQ

    jakee308 (e1996a)

  82. Man, it’s getting so that one needs a scorecard on this crazy mosque business. The temporary (soon to be ex-) governor of Illinois, Democrat Pat Quinn just came out firmly against the idea of a Muslim ediface being built at ground zero.

    elissa (b7beb9)

  83. Yet another racist taking a dump on the Constitution, elissa.

    JD (1ecb57)

  84. Elissa’s right that this is just a big mess. Republicans in tight races are probably tempted to ride this one hard, but I get the feeling a lot of voters will see that as unserious. And these are serious times with much more important issues.

    As long as Pelosi is investigating innocent people, though, I guess the issue is alive without any help from the right.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  85. When A Cuckoo parasitises a wren it will look like the best wren ever, causing the wrens to protect and feed it. It would not do to look like a sparrow, no matter how good as the wrens would get suspicious.

    So it is with Religious Cuckoos that they camouflage as the strongest case of the dominant religion and not some other. In Pakistan the would be Muslim, in India Hindu, in Israel Jewish, in the U.S. Christian, and in Japan Buddhist.

    But they are all cuckoos in both the crazy definition and the Parasitic one, with the planned outcome the same as well. But they are all cuckoos and should be treated as such by anyone not already one of them.

    The existential threat is not Islam or any other religion but the cuckoos who camouflage as them.

    FreeDem (4eab89)

  86. Yes, FreeDem, you are cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

    JD (1ecb57)

  87. FreeDem reminds me of the folks at Feministe who were claiming that the Catholic Church poses a greater threat, and has historically been far worse than the Muslim faith.

    JD (1ecb57)

  88. If you want to say Osama Bin Laden isn’t Muslim, be my guest. I think you’re obviously wrong, but whatever. But it kinda sounds like you’re equating the worst of Modern Islam with the worst of Modern Christianity by pretending up this impenetrable logic that makes it impossible to compare the two.

    And why do that? Some goofy multicultural idea that we shouldn’t rank religions? Of course we can and should do that. It’s not like race or nationality … it’s a set of principles and beliefs that guide a person.

    And they are very different, indeed, and worth considering and criticizing.

    that’s true of any religion. Doing so is why modern Judaism and Christianity are quite unlike their ancestor religions. Modern Islam is a problem. I believe it’s a problem we’d have even had Muhammad never been born, just under a different name. But that didn’t happen. What happened is that many, many people are murdering innocent people in the name of 21st century Islam. Is that happening in the name of the God of David or Mary? Nope.

    Your logic is specifically formed with the purpose of preventing a meaningful analysis. You actually *want* to be dumber.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  89. Cuckoos of a feather flock together.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  90. You can tell the cuckoos in a religion because they are often at odds with the basic tenets of the religion twisting whatever book to their violent totalitarian dream that most folk in that religion do not agree with, but with such force as to give the impression that such is the very heart of that religion. And yes Osama is such a Cuckoo who would like the rest of them happily kill off all other Muslims as much as anyone.

    Such Omnicidal plans are what is common to all, with strict adherence to the most abusive interpretations of laws that exist or can be made up like the burkas that are not a part of the original. In the Christian case it is not the “Do unto others as you would have done unto you” Jesus but a vengeful sword swinging Jesus all about the Ten Commandments that is Totalitarian as they would enforce them rather than the Golden Rule that is not.

    FreeDem (4eab89)

  91. Who is FreeBird arguing with?

    JD (1ecb57)

  92. He’s freaking crazy, JD.

    I suspect this guy is too lazy to read the various holy texts of Islam. It’s superficially sharing some elements with the Bible, but it’s just not the same sort of idea.

    It’s just lazy circular logic. All violent Muslims must not be legit, because Islam is peaceful. And Islam is peaceful because all the legit Muslims aren’t violent.

    Only, if you read the various holy texts, that’s just BS.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  93. ______________________________________

    There are crazies in every major religion,

    Oh, jeez, there’s that dopey moral relativism popping up again. And if you’re not of the left, I’d be surprised. However, there are strange contradictions taking place with these type of controversies.

    For example, in the story below, there’s a woman who, on one hand, can be characterized as into a super-conformity reminiscent of old-time, pre-women’s liberation. So she’s sort of a rightwing dolt.

    Yet she’s also like a big-mouth, non-conforming troublemaker, telling Disney “when in Rome, I don’t do as the Romans do! I do whatever the hell I wanna do! No justice, no peace!” So she’s sort of a leftwing dolt.

    If the peculiar conservatism of Islamism somehow gets in bed with the garden-variety liberalism of the Western world, and they end up corrupting and sabotaging one another, that will be a very interesting and oddly humorous irony.

    LA Times, August 18, 2010:

    A Muslim woman who works as a hostess at a Disney-owned restaurant filed a discrimination complaint against the entertainment giant Wednesday, saying they have repeatedly sent her home without pay for refusing to remove her headscarf at work.

    Imane Boudlal said she has worked as a hostess at Storyteller’s Café in Disney’s Grand Californian Hotel & Spa for two years and began wearing her hijab Sunday but was told she would have to remove it or take a job working out of public view.

    On Wednesday, shortly after filing a complaint with the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, Boudlal made her fourth attempt of the week — the first with videographers, photographers and reporters in tow — to begin her afternoon shift at the resort-district restaurant, which features a Chip ‘n’ Dale theme.

    Boudlal said she was again told to take off her hijab, the headscarf some Muslim women wear. Boudlal refused and walked out of the hotel, flanked by chanting supporters. “I’ve been sent home,” she said. “I thought maybe today is my lucky day because I have my friends, my supporters.”

    Disney officials said Boudlal has never been denied the opportunity to work. “She’s been allowed to work,” said Disneyland spokeswoman Suzi Brown. “We’ve given her the opportunity to work in a backstage role the last several shifts that she’s come in.”

    “Don’t put me in the back,” Boudlal retorted Wednesday, dressed in her workuniform of camp-style green slacks, orange vest and long-sleeved white shirt in addition to her white hijab.

    ^ Boudlal is sort of a walking human variation of the mosque slated for a site near the ill-fated World Trade Center.

    Martyrs R Us.

    Mark (411533)

  94. Islamic cuckoos exist as a reaction to American Ideals of freedom and modernity just as most of the rest. There was a man called Qutb (or Kutb)who was studying in Indiana and reacted quite badly to what he saw, and his books are the base of what is now AlQueda. They are all conservatives in the worst sense of the word, and consider everyone else more liberal than they. Included in that is the xenophobia that puts all that they oppose, as in the devil’s conspiracy against them, at least in their fevered minds, but they will always hate the values of empathy, empowerment of individuals, and accountability of leadership, no matter what group of Cuckoos they are. Liberals will value empathy and personal empowerment (like the freedom to where what clothes you want)but that would be a stark contrast to imposing that or any other totalitarian rule on anyone.

    FreeDem (4eab89)

  95. Say, freedem, was Mecca and Medina ruled in a totalitarian style?

    I will give you this: all those folks targeting innocent children with suicide bombs: not really Jews. All those folks launching rockets into civilian areas, to murder and scare innocent civilians: not really Christians. All those folks hijacking airplanes: not really Taoists.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  96. “Liberals will value empathy and personal empowerment (like the freedom to where what clothes you want)but that would be a stark contrast to imposing that or any other totalitarian rule on anyone.”

    FreeDem – Illustrations of such stark contrasts being imposing on you the requirement to purchase health insurance you felt you didn’t need or redistributing wealth schemes with which you did not agree, that kind of stuff?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  97. See, Muhammad kinda sorta sent an army to ambush a trade caravan from to Syria to Mecca, and commanded his army to ‘deface their faces’ (rip their faces off).

    He maybe kinda sorta was not someone you could politically oppose, ruled violently, and regulated every aspect of the lives of the people under his rule. The religion he founded was called ‘Submission’, after all.

    To say that a totalitarian cannot be a Muslim is saying that Islam’s ‘True Prophet’ was not Muslim. It’s just insane. It’s like saying a real Christian can’t be forgiving.

    In honesty, I believe there are many moderate Muslims, and I hope for a modernization of Islam through friction between the values in the Koran and the modern world. I know it’s hard to believe this can happen, because the Koran can’t be re-translated or edited, and some parts are difficult to explain away. I think this can be done, anyway. Call me an optimist.

    It won’t be done if we simply pretend the problem doesn’t exist, though. That approach dooms both sides of the conflict.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  98. Illustrations of such stark contrasts being imposing on you the requirement to purchase health insurance you felt you didn’t need or redistributing wealth schemes with which you did not agree, that kind of stuff?

    Comment by daleyrocks

    Of course, what you’re describing is fascism, not liberalism. Sarah Palin is a liberal. The Tea Party’s insistence on freedom of choice less intrusive government is liberal.

    Obama is not much of a liberal. I hate the way that term is abused in practice and then defended in theory, as free dem just did. It’s like defining Conservatives as people who refuse to change whatever the status quo is, and then using that to argue against actual agents of reform.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  99. Dustin – My mistake.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  100. No, I know you knew better, daleyrocks. It’s not your fault for using the English language in the way it’s used today. ‘Liberal’ means something really odd today. Something like big intrusive government and lots of anti-establishment values, I guess.

    That’s why you’d probably expect me to use the term ‘classically liberal’ where I’m using ‘liberal’.

    What you’ve identified is an example of modern liberalism violating its own promise of personal freedom. Language matters. This Orwellian way the left characterizes everything is meant to make it more difficult to discuss what’s going on.


    Dustin (b54cdc)

  101. ____________________________________________

    Islamic cuckoos exist as a reaction to American Ideals of freedom and modernity just as most of the rest.

    No, they don’t. They react just as the founder of their faith and his band of followers reacted centuries ago. Or did the USA exist about 1,500 years ago?

    Of all the people killed by Muhammad, Uqba was among those most worthy of punishment. He ridiculed and tormented Muhammad while the latter was still in Mecca. Indeed, Uqba was so disrespectful that he once spit in Muhammad’s face,[5] and he later fought the Muslims at Badr. He is only listed here because of the particularly callous response that Muhammad gave him at his execution: “When the apostle ordered him to be killed Uqba said, ‘But who will look after my children, O Muhammad?’ ‘Hell,’ he said.”

    The Case of Ka’b bin al-Ashraf

    When Ka’b heard of all the men who had been killed by Muslims at the Battle of Badr, he wept for the departed and composed a poem in memory of their good works.

    After this, Ka’b wrote poetry against [a Muslim women belittling those killed], and Muhammad subsequently called for his assassination…

    The Case of Ibn Sunayna

    Ibn Sunayna was a Jewish merchant whose only crime seems to be that he was in town when the Muslims went on a killing spree:

    The apostle said, “Kill any Jew that falls into your power.”

    The Case of Mirba bin Qayzi

    News of Muhammad’s victories and assassinations spread rapidly, and many people became angry at him. One such person was a blind man named Mirba bin Qayzi:

    [The Muslims] came out in the territory of Mirba bin Qayzi who was a blind man, a disaffected person. When he perceived the approach of the apostle and his men he got up and threw dust in their faces saying, “You may be the apostle of God, but I won’t let you through my garden!”

    …The people rushed on him to kill him, and the apostle said, “Do not kill him, for this blind man is blind of heart, blind of sight.” Sa’d bin Zayd . . . rushed at him before the apostle had forbidden this and hit him on the head with his bow so that he split it open.”[12]

    In Muhammad’s defense, he did order his men not to kill Mirba. Nevertheless, the passage shows how quick the Muslims were to kill anyone who insulted Muhammad, and that they were growing accustomed to doing so. Further, we have no evidence that Muhammad so much as reprimanded Sa’d for bludgeoning the man.

    The Case of the Qurayza Jews

    The men of Qurayza resisted Muhammad and attempted to form an alliance against him. When the alliance faltered, Muhammad acted quickly. His armies surrounded them and “besieged them for twenty-five nights until they were sore pressed and God cast terror into their hearts.”

    …Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. . . . There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900.

    Muhammad divided the women, children, and property among his men (taking a fifth of everything for himself). Some of the women were sold for horses and weapons, and Muhammad kept one of the captive women, Rayhana, for himself.

    The Case of Sallam Ibn Abu’l-Huqayq

    The events surrounding the death of Sallam are interesting. Two tribes were competing with one another to see who could do the most for Muhammad…

    The men of Aus had received the honor of assassinating Ka’b bin al-Ashraf, so the men of Khazraj longed to boast of a similar achievement. Hence, they went to Muhammad and asked for permission to murder Sallam Ibn Abu’l-Huqayq, and Muhammad granted their request.

    The Case of Kinana bin al-Rabi

    Muhammad and his men conquered a town called Khaybar and distributed its riches and women among themselves. They captured Kinana bin al-Rabi, who was in charge of the treasure of one of the conquered tribes. Muhammad demanded the treasure, but Kinana refused to tell him where it was hidden.

    When [Muhammad] asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr bin al-Awwam, “Torture him until you extract what he has,” so he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad bin Maslama and he struck off his head, in revenge for his brother Mahmud [who had been killed in battle while conquering the town].

    The Case of an Anonymous One-Eyed Shepherd

    After failing at one of their assassination attempts, some Muslims were returning to Muhammad when one of them, an assassin named Amr, went into a cave. He soon encountered a one-eyed shepherd driving a sheep. The one-eyed man laid beside Amr (not realizing that he was a Muslim) and began to sing:

    I won’t be a Muslim as long as I live,
    Nor heed to their religion give.[24]

    Amr didn’t miss his chance to kill an infidel:

    I said (to myself), “You will soon know!” and as soon as the badu was asleep and snoring I got up and killed him in a more horrible way than any man has been killed. I put the end of my bow in his sound eye, then I bore down on it until I forced it out at the back of his neck.[25]

    A couple of other people were killed during this failed expedition, yet when Amr reported the details to Muhammad, the Prophet blessed him for his work.

    The Case of Abu Afak

    Abu Afak, saddened because Muhammad had killed someone named al-Harith, composed the following song in memory of the departed:

    Long have I lived but never have I seen
    An assembly or collection of people
    More faithful to their undertaking
    And their allies when called upon
    Than the sons of Qayla when they assembled,
    Men who overthrew mountains and never submitted….

    These words were too much for Muhammad to bear, so the Prophet of Islam flew into a rage that ended with the death of Abu Afak.

    The Case of Asma

    A woman named Asma (who had five sons) was appalled at the murder of Abu Afak, so she wrote a poem against the Muslims in retaliation. Ibn Ishaq relates the account of what followed:

    When the apostle heard what she had said he said, “Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?” Umayr bin Adiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her. In the morning he came to the apostle and told him what he had done and he said, “You have helped God and His apostle, O Umayr!” When he asked if he would have to bear any evil consequences the apostle said, “Two goats won’t butt their heads about her,” so Umayr went back to his people.[29]

    The Case of Abdullah bin Khatal and His Two Singing Girls

    Abdullah bin Khatal was a Muslim who later apostatized. He had two singing girls who sang satirical songs about the Prophet. As soon as Muhammad had the power, he ordered that all three be killed. Abdullah was killed by two Muslims. One of the singing girls was killed. The other was later given immunity, for unknown reasons.

    The Case of al-Huwayrith

    All that is known of al-Huwayrith is that he insulted Muhammad, that Muhammad demanded he be killed, and that Ali carried out Muhammad’s wishes.

    The Case of Sara, a Freed Slave

    Sara was a freed slave who had insulted Muhammad in Mecca. Muhammad commanded his men to kill her wherever they find her. She was eventually found and trampled to death by a mounted soldier.</blockquote>

    Mark (411533)

  102. Liberal Values remain to be four basic concepts.
    The empowerment if each individual to achieve as much as they are able with as few hindrances as possible. This mean that If a person has the talent and desire to be a doctor or an engineer and it is unaffordable or they would need crushing debt and very difficult times to achieve those goals, things that had nothing to do directly with acquiring that ability, then the entire society is the poorer if they cannot. This is why a Socialized Society (as in socialized child vs unsocialized child)provides such assistance and reaps benefits of more and better doctors and engineers etc who can do what is right rather than trying to squeeze every penny to pay the aforementioned crushing debt.

    It also means that if a person in power (Government or any other) makes decisions that injure them they are empowered to hold those folk accountable (This is why the Soviets would never have been considered Liberal, as there was no such accountability, or any other Liberal Value).

    Without the Empathy to see how you would feel in the way others are treated, or care, neither empowerment or accountability is possible. This is very different from Sympathy or Pity that treats the abused with “Charity” by handing out some small measure of what was rightfully theirs to begin with. The idea that each person is only supposed to look out for themselves, and have no concern for the fairness of their actions, or effect on others, damages not only all of those others but ultimately even the person doing the damage as the entire society loses what is possible.

    The fourth value of Reality lies at the heart of the issues as false narratives (Like the fraud about the “mosque”)create divisions where there would need to be none, as verifiable facts would provide few places for argument, yet those who would make arguments that would never stand the light of actual facts, hate this the most, because in a world of reality Liberal values of the four noted will win the discussion every time for most people.

    This was in fact much the point of Qutb’s books that given their preferences folks would reject his harsh conservative values and so they must be dealt with harshly, or killed if they would not follow his interpretation of Islam, focusing on those harsh passages noted above to justify his position, while ignoring those passages that oppose them (just as The Christian cuckoos do for their bible even if they have to rewrite it a bit to fit their narrative).

    They also have the equivalent of the Book of Revelations which has been twisted to claim America and its American Liberal Values as that Monster at the end of times that would be seductive in offering folk what they wanted, but cruelly crushing of the Islamic faith, and that indeed was Osama’s plan to draw America into a war with Islam to make his vision come true and force all Muslims to accept his version of Islam.

    The Conservative forces in America have done his bidding as he wished and been his perfect foil, and given new life to Conservatives in both Sunni Afghanistan/Pakistan and Shia Iran that neither would have held on to power without a scary enemy that is their mirror selves.

    FreeDem (4eab89)

  103. I do wish that paragraphs would stay that would make easier reading

    FreeDem (4eab89)

  104. Most mileage ^^^ squeezed out of a crayon EVER!!!

    KKKris (754d31)

  105. Aaron, my sister is also an alum of UNT. Go Mean Green!

    Icy Texan (754d31)

  106. It is a Muslim YMCA

    — What’s that, JD? Yemen Mecca Caliphate Allah?

    Icy Texan (754d31)

  107. FreeDem, don’t worry yourself none about the readability of your drivel. Your plagiaristic copy/paste crap isn’t worth reading in the first place. Not that you actually read anything.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  108. > What’s that, JD? Yemen Mecca Caliphate Allah?

    Young Mohammed Cheerleader Association?

    Young Married Child Aisha?


    Too soon, dude. Too soon.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  109. nancy pelosi
    san francisco liberals
    where my casting pearls?

    ColonelHaiku (2deed7)

  110. land of shadow and
    substance things ideas you in
    The Pelosi Zone

    ColonelHaiku (2deed7)

  111. Yes, Mohammed’s Camels Assraped

    Icy Texan (2c6af9)

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