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8/7/2010

Levi Johnston Trying to Sell Tell-All Book About Sarah Palin and Family

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 2:51 pm



Ace has the best take:

Note he previously said, just this past month, he’d lied about her to get attention.

Now he’s peddling more lies.

He will of course find an eager publisher.

And of course he should be published. Of course he should be a published author.

After all, he’s accomplished so much — he had unprotected sex with a younger girl, got her knocked up, and then abandoned her. And then, fearing that he soon might have to get a real job, he tricked her into accepting a false marriage proposal so he could sell the story to Us weekly for $100,000 (and also shop a reality show about the sham marriage).

Who wouldn’t want to be in the Levi Johnston business?

About a month ago, Levi said to Palin and her family: “I hope one day to restore your trust.” And I said: “Yeah, good luck with that.”

Normally, I love saying I told you so. But it doesn’t feel good to have been right about this.

464 Responses to “Levi Johnston Trying to Sell Tell-All Book About Sarah Palin and Family”

  1. Goddamn it, though, Patterico, if you associate with trailer trash … bring it into your house … your seventeen-year old daughter …..

    Whom will you bring into America’s house?

    If Palin cannot run her family, how can she run America?

    nk (db4a41)

  2. I think I agree with happyfeet. The Alaskan trailertrash that allied herself with the Arizona deadwood should be left to her own devices and is definitely not worth wasting a vote on. Except, maybe, for hottest Wassila MILF.

    nk (db4a41)

  3. This is so quintessentially Palin.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  4. Sarah Palin gave her (possible) future son-in-law a second chance.
    He blew it.
    I don’t think that reflects as bad on Palin as anything like it does on the Anti-Palanites that will be cheering on Levi.
    Who here has never been burned by giving someone a second chance?

    Jelly Headed Liberal (4677ca)

  5. I gave Meghan’s daddy a second chance once.

    I’m such a big silly sometimes.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  6. They can always trust in Levi being a self serving ass.

    Who knows, maybe the illegitimate offspring with deadbeat dad will; like Obama, rise to the Presidency one day… making Mom’s judgement correct… in a sense. What sense I dunno, but my drift’s been caught…

    SteveG (f6fb69)

  7. Gosh, Mr. Feet! It’s a really, really good thing that we don’t have something like this taking place with Ms. Sherrod, huh? Because then, you were all about treating a person with compassion and forebearance because of things that happened to her through no fault of her own.

    This, of course, is different. Because you hate a woman you have never met.

    Honestly, folks. You could probably say how badly you feel for Ms. Palin’s family, and for Bristol, to have this kind of thing going on. It wouldn’t cost you a thing, and has nothing to do with politics.

    It’s almost you folks are so focused on politics that they are looking at family issues through such a lens.

    And nk? You may discover that parents don’t have quite as much control over their daughters as you apparently believe. Frankly, I am surprised, given your prior posts, that you don’t simply feel saddened for the effect on the freaking family. But no, it’s all about politics.

    This is much, much worse. This is a family tragedy.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  8. Feets – Fred owes you an apology and a refund for not getting enough votes. Complain to him.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  9. Sarah Palin controls every moment of Bristol Palin’s life, 24/7. This is all her fault. Anyone who has ever parented through teenage years will recognize these obvious truths.

    Twatwaffles, one and all.

    daleyrocks (940075)


  10. “…This is so quintessentially Palin….”

    Wow. And here I thought it was more about a jerky kid trying to make money from folks in the public eye.

    This is getting as bad as the Left blaming everything on GWB.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  11. Fred for reals really really does need to get his grovel on.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  12. Daley, I am a big believer in kharma. I think that people who get high and mighty about what a parent can permit may get some nasty surprises in those teenaged years. And since not a single person here was present to see what was said or done about jerky boyfriends, it might be wiser to step back and think that kharma business over. I know a lot of awful parents who have angelic (or lucky) children, and some really good parents who have terrible (or unlucky) children.

    All a parent can do is (gasp) pray that their children are safe, and that they aren’t bedeviled by golddigging or otherwise awful boyfriends or girlfriends.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  13. “…This is so quintessentially Palin….”

    Absolutely. She was prolly right there sticking Levi’s d*ck into Bristol for the unprotected sex when she got knocked up this is so her fault.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  14. hah! Mr. daley I think we can safely file that one under “things you can’t say at Hot Air”

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  15. Mr. Feets – Don’t know about Hot Air since I don’t comment there, but it is illustrative of an attitude some folks, such as yourself and Mr. nk seem to have about Palin.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  16. sorta I guess I do think she’s pretty low rent

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  17. Technically, Bristol is a younger girl with respect to Levi, but the age difference between them is less than a year. So the “younger girl” issue should be irrelevant.

    On the other hand, Levi is still an embarrassment to any kind of decent people. And I doubt he could tell more than ten pages of stories about the Palins and his own life that even the most ardent gossipmongers would want to read. So he’ll probably have to make up the rest, or have his ghostwriter make it up.

    Joshua (9d1d79)

  18. Levi and the Palins are peas in a pod – they all just want to milk their notoriety as long and as hard as possible

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  19. In this situation, the scenario is wholly nonpolitical to anyone who has children, especially teenagers. Particularly daughters.

    Or it should be.

    But because of this weird BDS like focus on the Palins, the parents cannot do what needs to be done: scare the you know what out of a boy with apparently no ethics, less responsibility, and some odd tastes (Kathy Griffin? Really?). Most parents would go all Uncle Buck on this guy.

    The Palins can’t.

    Imagine how that feels.

    Oh, that’s right: Sarah Palin deserves it. She made it happen. I forgot. It’s all about the politics.

    Yes, we will shortly hear, Sarah Palin uses politics. Of course, people trying to blame her for this mess aren’t. They are so much more ethical.

    Jeeez. This is a family tragedy; this is the father of Bristol Palin’s child, acting like a moneygrubbing and terrible person. Imagine how it feels to be Todd Palin, and have to sit there are listen to not only the Andrew Sullivan like crazinesses, but the vitriol of opponents on all sides, and now this.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  20. Gosh, I guess nk and happyfeet were actually there witnessing everything; they seem to know so much.

    I agree with daleyrocks.

    Andy (5ed3ce)

  21. My two cents — 1. I don’t think Mr. and Mrs. Palin trust Mr. Johnston as far as they can throw him, and 2. I think Miss Palin has been blinded a bit by the limelight. It’s a lot easier to sell your story to a publication than actually work hard in a dental office to make ends meet.

    10SCgal (9d2e60)

  22. Hey, Mr. Feet. let’s raise some funds for you to take a trip to Wasilla and tell all that to Todd Palin, face to face. What do you say? I just want film.

    Seriously, dude, go attack something political. This is a family tragedy.

    Boy, do I hope kharma bites you in the backside for your mean-spiritedness.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  23. can we pretend Sarah Palin
    in the TMZ
    is a superstar?

    I could really use a laugh right now

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  24. JD, tell me again how cool this guy is?

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  25. no for reals you have to conform to adulation of all things Sarah Palin and sympathize with her trailer trash dilemmas and root for her or you know what you’re not cool is what

    you’re not cool and you can’t have any pancakes

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  26. This family, not politics. And you call the mother low rent, and then you claim the whole family is milking publicity.

    And I have problems?

    Um. You might want to ask around about that one, sport.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  27. dude you’re getting all emotional about some chick you saw on cable it’s like she’s Hannah Montana for grownups or something

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  28. Hey you’re the one who said she broke your heart, as I recall feets. She made you feel dirty about voting for McCain, as you’ve put it before. She
    has tried to keep quiet, but when this lout starts
    lying, what was she to do.

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  29. we’ll just have to tune in next episode and find out

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  30. Completely with Eric Blair on this one; something very sick about the Excitable Andy’s here who seem to get-off on what is a family tragedy.

    Old Coot (fc2376)

  31. “I could really use a laugh right now”

    Mr. Feets – I’m still laughing at your idea that this is her fault and she controls her daughter 24/7. Laugh with me dude.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  32. “superstar”

    Frist! Feets links Sarah Palin to word superstar! Is that like a Godwin or something?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  33. Levi whazziz name has serious character deficiencies, and Bristol needs to listen to her Mom and Dad and grow up.

    Gabby (df70b7)

  34. He is very cool and a very good friend.

    JD (b14a2f)

  35. thank you back at you

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  36. He was probably a bad egg, kind of like one of those characters from Friday Night Lights, then again if the local version of feets, a fellow
    named Fagan, hadn’t gotten him fired from his
    oil field apprenticeship he wouldn’t have gone
    to seed to fast

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  37. and Mr. daley I never said it was Sarah’s fault I said it was par for the Sarah course

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  38. At this point any TV, publisher, etc. that gives him any money or attention is aiding and abetting the dysfunction of the family he created.

    A decent media would literally have nothing more to do with him.

    So i expect him to be on the view next week.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (f97997)

  39. I think Johnston has to have a strong streak of sociopath in him- which allows him to both appear sincere and reasonable in some situations, while at the same time lying and manipulating people for his own purposes. As many are, he was “good enough” at it that he needed to be caught twice to confirm the diagnosis.

    I will give feets one moment of my time in this discussion. It seems he agrees with Obama that teenagers should not be “punished” with having a baby.

    Tracking a teenager with an implanted RFID chip to keep them out of trouble will only “work” until they are 18.

    MD in Philly (5a98ff)

  40. All you folks bashing parents for not controlling their kids/relatives need to go buy ten cases of Billy Beer (remember Billy Carter?) and go pee all over yourself. Then wait a few weeks before bathing so you’ll be at home with your peers.

    cedarhill (a873aa)

  41. Clearly, a number of commenters here have never not only been 20 year old girls, nor raised girls through their teenage years and lived to tell.

    Sarah and Todd Palin were prolly like most parents who go into parenting with high hopes, expectations and the goal of doing the very best they could. And while that remains the goal and plan of most parents, the reality of everyday life tears at that, challenges it, and at times can easily get lost in the myriad of mini-tragedies and dramas that play out in the world of children and mostly, teenagers.

    Bristol chose unwisely who she would sleep with. Most teenage girls do – perhaps that’s why it’s might be a good idea to not be be having sex until they figure out some key things, like who they are, what they want in life, and to define themselves by their own sense of self – not some immature boy. Also critical would be having a firm handle on what a male of weak character looks like.

    What’s dreadful about this whole thing, is while Bristol will eventually learn and figure this out – after the fact, but better late than never – is that she has a son, a small boy who will know not only who is father is, but will one day be able to Google his daddy and figure it out to. He’ll get to read all the sordid details about the one person who is supposed to be the role model and example of what a man is and how he is to conduct himself.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  42. I think it would actually be a kind thing in the long run (on behalf of Johnston) for the Palins to legally “straight-jacket” him as severly as possible- do what they can to interfere with book deals, fight for him to have as little contact as possible with his child, “one hour a year supervised”, as any child subject to his influence will be the worse for it.

    MD in Philly (5a98ff)

  43. I imagine that there are an awful lot of parents out there that are identifying with the Palins. There are lots of sons or daughters that have ignored their parents advice and gotten involved with some pretty unsavory characters and ended up getting burned. If you read the statement that Palin made when these two got back together you can tell she wasn’t happy about it but was doing her best to support her daughter (and grandaughter).
    I see the trolls are out today. Must be reruns on LA Ink.

    scr_north (90dcdd)

  44. Hilarious how people think that Levi Johnston’s lack of character is Sarah Palin’s fault.

    Grow up.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  45. Clearly, a number of commenters here have never not only been 20 year old girls, nor but have also never raised girls through their teenage years – and lived to tell.

    Argh.

    Par for the Sarah course? What does that mean exactly? Because I would absolutely hate my parenting to be judged by one of the more foolish decisions my children made in their teens. The hope for realistic parents is that those inevitable foolish decisions won’t be life changing ones; but if they are, the loving parent still loves and still hopes to be able to influence them in the right direction given the circumstances.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  46. Why, Dana! Did you read the fellow’s posts? The Palins are “trailer park trash.” And when I object to that kind of thing, I am some kind of nut.

    Whatever. It’s a family issue, and a tragedy. Actually claiming that the parents are “milking” all this for publicity…just shows what you originally stated.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  47. Levi and the Palins are peas in a pod – they all just want to milk their notoriety as long and as hard as possible

    Comment by happyfeet

    Mr stinky feet, I have a suspicion, no evidence yet, that you are actually a 20 year old girl who creams her jeans when she sees Levi. That nasty old Sarah has been aiding and abetting the relationship with her daughter and totally messing with your plans for a Sleepless in Seattle moment with Levi in Wasilla.

    I think you should go on up there anyway and hang around the local meth shack where he may be found. I know Alaska and am sure you would be a hit there. One thing; I would make up your mind to go before the top bloom on the fireweed turns red.

    I have been driven from blogs by a**holes before but maybe, just maybe, somebody else can smell those feet.

    Mike K (d6b02c)

  48. He seems less like a pikachu, and more like an overfed Mogwai after 12 o ‘clock

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  49. Points to Mike K., he owes me a new keyboard.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  50. I remember a time when parents were responsible for maintaining a household and monitoring the behavior of minor children.

    I hope this is applied to Demcrat Candidates like Gores Daughter wearing a see through dress at Cannes or his son arrested for a high speed chase and weapon and drug http://famousjailbirds.blogspot.com/2009/01/al-gore-iii.html

    EricPWJohnson (0f0a26)

  51. “I got played.” — Bristol Palin, explaining why she cut off her engagement with Levi Johnston.

    Bristol might be a slow learner, but, she is learning. Good for her.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  52. “I remember a time when parents were responsible for maintaining a household and monitoring the behavior of minor children.”

    EricPW – And kids never got in trouble and there were never any teen pregnancies during those times because kids never try to avoid that parental monitoring and control, right?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  53. Dana puts her up one on EPWJ who has not learned that we still despise his act and have zero respect for him.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  54. shame on you Dr. K you know that’s not true

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  55. happyfeet, but Mike K. makes a very convincing case.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  56. it’s TIME to WIN!!!

    everyone has solo cups it looks like fun

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  57. “and Mr. daley I never said it was Sarah’s fault I said it was par for the Sarah course”

    Mr. Feets – What you said was:

    “This is so quintessentially Palin.”

    What does Sarah have to do with Levi’s decision to stage a fake reconciliation with Bristol or write a tell all book about the Palin family? Could you put me in some knowledge please? It seems to be Ricky Hollywood’s continuing slimebucket moves.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  58. look our little country has way too many for reals big problems to stop and wait for Sarah Palin to get her act together, and it would be a kindness to her I think if her woes weren’t given so much attention on the blogs and such but there seems to be a very genuine appetite for this sort of thing and she herself made Levi the hot property he is today by giving him a Real Hollywood Makeover for the Team R primary

    reapings and sowings

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  59. Good luck with that, daley. You are now in official Robot Andrew Sullivan territory:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9ChIb15EwU

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTIsu3s3mM8

    Gutfeld is funny.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  60. SPQR

    I guess it all depends upon how important it is to some people that the leader of the greatist nation on the earth perhaps having a little less drama ongoing in their lives, I have three daughters as well.

    Presidents shouldnt become embarassments to the country – even before they are elected

    Levi Johnson was welcomed into their house and paraded in front of crowds – incredibly poor poor decisions

    EricPWJohnson (0f0a26)

  61. I said primary I meant convention

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  62. No, that was the bumbles in the McCain campaign ,feets, they had tried to keep them apart for some
    three years, you really can’t complain with anything
    she really believes, so you throw out the old Axelrod playbook, with amendments from Fagan and
    that crazy used car dealer she beat for the primary

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  63. I have to go to the shoe store brb

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  64. Daley

    Mine didnt, neither did my friends – and yes we were all two families working kids in xtra curricular activities.

    You have to set strong rules of conduct and expectations – and at the DA’s office saw an endless parade of these things – the Palins could have taken direct legal action but they choose to try and whitewash the situation for political gain and now its backfiring

    But like I said Al Gores son has been arrested sooo many times and the conduct of another child (dont get me started on Mondales kid wither) – that the double standard with Palin is getting more than more absurd.

    But Sarah dug the hole she finds herself in – if the cant lead a 17 yr old – WTF are you thinking she could handle the senate? 3 years to fix this thing and she pancaked

    EricPWJohnson (0f0a26)

  65. “the Palins could have taken direct legal action but they choose to try and whitewash the situation for political gain and now its backfiring”

    EricPW – I love your legal theories!

    What legal actions should the Palins have taken against Levi? Please explain.

    What political gain was Sarah expecting to get from the marital situation of her daughter from a hostile liberal media? Again, please show your work.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  66. daley, wouldn’t you love to hear “Robot EPWJ” on RedEye?

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  67. In these most important times we need leadrship that is free from controversy so they an concentrate on the long difficult road of establishing standards without looking weak or insincere.

    Parading a guy who knocked up your minor daughter out in the public at campaign rallies – wow!

    EricPWJohnson (ab6cc8)

  68. Daley

    Are you a lawyer?

    EricPWJohnson (0f0a26)

  69. Well yes, and that never enters into ot, like when
    the daughter of the man who wrote up the drug czar legislation, yadda, yadda, very hard for a ‘public
    person’ to win these sorts of things. discovery might be good, but they already know the people involved, Rex and Tank, the Resnicks, et al

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  70. Eric B

    What do you teach?

    EricPWJohnson (ab6cc8)

  71. “the double standard with Palin is getting more than more absurd.”

    EricPW – I forgot to congratulate you on your gold star behavior growing up!

    You are correct that the double standard is absurd. Bristol Palin has done nothing illegal. The only reason for the media attention is to denigrate Sarah. It’s simple.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  72. Daley

    again

    are you an attorney?

    EricPWJohnson (0f0a26)

  73. “Are you a lawyer?”

    This is America. I can be anything I want to be!

    daleyrocks (940075)

  74. EricPW – Are you a lawyer?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  75. Daley

    Did her minor daughter find herself unsupervised enough to have many sexual encounters leading to pregnancy?

    Look, the PRESIDENCY is IMPORTANT – even more so – this next election is a crucial one –

    Fair or not – Sarah screwed the Levi situation horribly – not my fault for pointing it out

    Is Palin the only person capable of leading the country? Really? I like her alot, but she’s now completely unelectable

    EricPWJohnson (ab6cc8)

  76. Daley

    Sure anyone who makes it into law school and passess the bar is a lawyer

    So, are you a lawyer?

    EricPWJohnson (0f0a26)

  77. EPWJ, your claims have zero credibility here.

    None. Zip. Zipola.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  78. “Fair or not – Sarah screwed the Levi situation horribly – not my fault for pointing it out”

    EricPW – That’s a fair position to take, but back to the ideas you introduced to the thread; suggesting that the Palins should take legal action, and that Palin was using her daughter’s reconciliation for political gain.

    Please explain your train of thought rather than changing the subject from ideas you introduced here.

    Also, are you a lawyer?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  79. EPWJ is just back to troll games. Go back to the lakehouse. You have wiring problems.

    Eric Blair (ffe6ea)

  80. It’s just DCSCA without spellchecking.

    Eric Blair (04ebf2)

  81. SPQR

    So you are on record that parents are responsible for their minor childrens upbringing unless its politically expedient to ignore it when a domestic situation is mishandled and blows up spectacularly in full technicolor – then its sh#t happens to everyone..

    Is that correct?

    EricPWJohnson (0f0a26)

  82. I see an arrest in 2003 for Al Gore III for pot possession when he was 21. I don’t know if he was busted at a younger age. To make his exposure not a double standard with Bristol Palin’s, we need to know about his sex life a few years earlier, who he slept with, whether he got anybody pregnant, that kind of stiff. None of that’s illegal mind you, but neither is Bristol’s conduct.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  83. he was arrested in 2000 for firing shots at police under the influence in NC and having a weapon, cocaine – it was reduced to speeding and covered up

    In September 2000 when he was 17 – this would have changed the outcome of the election – dont ya think?

    EricPWJohnson (ab6cc8)

  84. Eric,
    Sarah Palin is not unelectable against President Obama. She could do nothing as President and be a better one than “The One”.

    tyree (351fe2)

  85. Eric

    What again do you teach?

    EricPWJohnson (ab6cc8)

  86. No, EPWJ, your statements are never correct. Not least when you attempt, in that juvenile way of yours, to attempt to put words in others mouths.

    Do I need to tattoo a print of my foot on your ass, in the place where it regularly arrives, to remind you?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  87. Daley

    So, in other words you are not an attorney

    1st there are damages – support – medical bills

    2nd restraining orders

    any many many more – Levi did not have the wherewithall to defend himself

    The point was they didnt try – even if they had lost at least people could see they were clearly unhappy with the situation and took what responsible action they could

    They didnt – they tried to whitewash it and turn it into an early marriage situation which backfired into blackmail and all the sordid aftermath

    Sure – were the people exploiting Levi scum – absolutely

    Should we elect someone who could not handle a routine domestic situation – no

    EricPWJohnson (0f0a26)

  88. SPQR

    Threats of violence? Now?

    EricPWJohnson (0f0a26)

  89. SPQR

    So you think what other than I’m wrong tell me where YOU are right

    without thinking you are going to hurt me physically…

    EricPWJohnson (ab6cc8)

  90. tyree

    You maybe right – but it seems this thing is going to keep on keepin on

    EricPWJohnson (0f0a26)

  91. Eric

    Again, what do you teach?

    EricPWJohnson (0f0a26)

  92. EPWJ, I’ve proven you wrong, and left a boot print on your ass, so many times that its become boring.

    Its long past time that you realized that your trolling here is past its sell-by date and pull yourself off the shelf.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  93. “it was reduced to speeding and covered up”

    EricPW – This is a perfect example of the absurd double standard. Illegal conduct of the minor child of the Democrat VP gets covered up. Legal conduct of the minor child of Republican governor gets nonstop tabloid coverage.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  94. Restraining orders, yes that would have worked, did
    you miss Tasergate, where a rogue state trooper who tasered his nephew and even threaten to kill her father at one point, was turned into a cause celebre
    by the dems and the media, and one of the people who aranged it was rewarded with control of Alaskan
    affairs at Interior

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  95. Again, EricPWJohnson, where is your lake house? Other than in your mind, I mean.

    We’ve had disordered people around here before. Next thing, you will claim to have had dinner with Werner von Braun.

    Quit being a troll. You do this on every thread you infest.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  96. ____________________________________

    The Alaskan trailertrash that allied herself with the Arizona deadwood should be left to her own devices

    It’s both interesting and ironic that people identified with the right — such as Sarah Palin — and supposedly the types who are intolerant, rigid and non-permissive — should actually suffer from too much “I feel your pain…let me give you a second chance!!” Or “If you feel good, I feel good.” Or “Big hugs and kum-bah-wah!”

    This irony reminds me of presidents associated with conservatism like Herbert Hoover, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and Bush I and Bush II, whose biggest blunders can be traced to when they allowed their inner-liberal voice to get the better of them and ended up initiating or falling for foolish policies or endeavors generally associated with left-leaning sentiments.

    Mark (411533)

  97. And the other thing? At least we can spell, and put a sentence together somewhat coherently.

    Crazed trolls, not so much.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  98. SPQR

    So you have nothing – I am interested in actually having a conversation with you

    Daley

    Yes not only do I agree with you on the double standard but I belong to a hapless group that is/was requesting FOIA on the incident

    I cannot say anything more on that – other than we suck and have not been very(at all) successful so far

    I also believe its a crime and thats why we are pursuing it – first to see if he did indeed shot at police –

    But it unfortunately doesnt change what Palin mishandled – look I’m sick for her personally but we are talking about the presidency not a local official and the presidency in the worst of timesIts like Nikki Haley – hope everything she says is true – I never trust the other side to play fair

    EricPWJohnson (ab6cc8)

  99. Eric

    All I asked is what do you teach – thats all

    Funny you mention that you teach but what?

    EricPWJohnson (ab6cc8)

  100. EPWJ is a krazy asshat.

    JD (d9926c)

  101. had shot at police

    EricPWJohnson (ab6cc8)

  102. _________________________________________

    Fair or not – Sarah screwed the Levi situation horribly – not my fault for pointing it out

    Not sure if such a dilemma indicates Sarah isn’t tough or rightist enough. Of course, people can be conservative when it comes to the big picture and rather liberal on the personal level.

    I’ve often felt it’s good for people to express their ideology in a somewhat split manner, in which they’re rightwing when it comes to society but somewhat more “centrist” on a personal level. However, when it comes to the latter, I have a suspicion Sarah (and her husband) may have gone overboard.

    By contrast, I’ve observed the classical limousine liberal, who will flip that scenario around—which is hardly surprising since liberals have a knack for being ass-backwards in the worse way imaginable. That’s where they’re SOBs, obnoxious, unkind, greedy and selfish towards the people immediately around them but big bleeding hearts when it comes to socio-political and cultural issues (Hello, all you phonies in Hollywood!!).

    Again, I think it’s better if people are the other way around. BUT only to a certain degree.

    Mark (411533)

  103. Stand back, folks. It looks like it is about to blow. Shortage on anti-psychotics again, apparently.

    JD (ffe6ea)

  104. Mark

    The other side is going to hammer her mercilessly during her run for the nomination – and they have now unlimited ammunition

    EricPWJohnson (0f0a26)

  105. Funny how he repeats every slander against the right, whether it be Palin, or Haley or Breitbart,
    most of these conjured up or molded by the left

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  106. Sigh. Mr. Troll, I think you are a fabulist, a DCSCA-lite, and I strongly suspect your psychological elevator doesn’t go all the way to the penthouse.

    As for what I teach, I have discussed this several times here on the blog. You, on the other hand, have made all kinds of odd claims since you began trolling here. The job in the Middle East. The lake house. The European vacation. And so on. I don’t know what you do, and I honestly don’t care. It’s to the point I don’t believe what you post unless there is some kind of link. And remember, I am not alone in that judgement. Who does believe you, around here? That should give you pause.

    As for what you are trying to do—argue from authority—we did all that with nk a while ago. Remember? It’s a specious argument, and I think you know it, and use that as part of your tiresome trolling strategy. Again, I base this on your behavior in multiple threads.

    You should probably take a course in English Composition, incidentally. I don’t teach that subject, but I seem to be able to compose a sentence, use punctuation, and even spell.

    Just. A. Troll. Go away, please.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  107. JD

    Are you an attorney – have you ever run for office or been a political advisor or run a campaign?

    You seem to hae an all encompassing statement on just about everything

    Do you have any quals or just all snark?

    EricPWJohnson (ab6cc8)

  108. #106 is well timed as an illustration of my point. Back to the lake house with you! Time for crumpets and tea!

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  109. Something funny with the first three posts…nk agrees with happyfeet three minutes before happyfeet posts.

    MunDane68 (54a83b)

  110. Eric

    You made the claim that you teach

    its simple – what?

    EricPWJohnson (ab6cc8)

  111. “Should we elect someone who could not handle a routine domestic situation – no”

    EricPW – Why was the situation Sarah’s to handle rather than Bristol’s? Why can’t morons like you get that through your head?

    I’m sure Bristol is getting plenty of input into her decision from Sarah and Todd, but parents cannot always fix, manage and control everything in their childrens’ lives, nor do their children want them to.

    With respect to legal action, support and custody are part of normal legal parenting process the parties have to agree upon.

    What grounds are there for a restraining order?

    Sarah is not running for anything today. What kind of political gain is she trying to manufacture? You’ve still punted on that.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  112. Lake House Guy:

    In alio pediculum, in te ricinum non vides

    Keep it in mind.

    And that’s what trolls do: insist that other people do things, while not doing those things themselves.

    It’s tiresome. It’s obvious. It’s you.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  113. Eric

    In the claim that you teach – its simple – what?

    I think all I did was express my opinion with a few facts

    You seem to attack my character – using your superior character

    So for everyone here

    What do you teach?

    Anything?

    Didnt ask where, didnt ask how long – just what?

    EricPWJohnson (ab6cc8)

  114. Eric Blair – Watch out, EricPW belongs to a FOIA group!

    daleyrocks (940075)

  115. Driving to DC tomorrow everyone hae a good night

    Thanks for the almost conversation from some of you

    EricPWJohnson (ab6cc8)

  116. Did I hear anything new, or more trolling?

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  117. I think he means DQ, not DC.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  118. Eric Blair,
    Save your blood pressure and don’t get into the mud with the trolls. Save your mind for more interesting subjects, such as prokaryotes.

    I’m no Palin-worshipper, but geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez! Why all the obsessive vitriol for her and her family?

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  119. Levi Johnson isn’t the only one whose behavior is unprincipled and dishonorable. The Palin hating cads here have made themselves his equals.

    ropelight (2e393c)

  120. That’s right, Bradley. This is a family issue, and sad. And this character is clearly a troll.

    I really do see him as DCSCA-lite.

    ta-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa

    Hope you are well, Bradley. I’m hanging in there. Look for an e-mail.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  121. The other side is going to hammer her mercilessly

    There certainly is a double standard when it comes to how a conservative is perceived and treated compared with a liberal. That reflects idiotic biases of a large portion of the public, but it’s the way it is, and it’s hard to change.

    A bit of that probably is rooted in the way most of us looked at our parents as kids. We’d give wide latitude — and benefit of the doubt — to dear ol’ mom, because she was the nurturing, forgiving parent, while being standoffish towards dear ol’ dad because he was the disciplinarian and fan of tough-love.

    Way too much of the electorate judges politicians in a similar manner, which is why things can easily get so screwed up. IOW, many voters perceive the liberal as oh-so-nice, as oh-so-kind — “Hillary Clinton, you’re a friggin’ liar but you do feel our pain! xoxoxo” — while the conservative is the hard-nosed taskmaster.

    That’s why the public needs to be reminded that, as I noted previously, the biggest blunders of previous White Houses associated with the right and Republicans have occurred when presidents allowed their inner-liberal self to get the better of them.

    Mark (411533)

  122. By the way, Bradley, you need to check out those “Robot Andrew Sullivan” links from RedEye I linked to above. It answers some of your questions, I think.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  123. Thanks, Eric. I’m okay – very distracted at work last week. Too much happening and I’ve just had to let stories go because of news happening. Exhausting. We get a new business reporter on Monday, hurray!

    And, I’ve had a bad pain in my left shoulder and arm, that appeared to go to the bone. Made sleeping very difficult. It now appears to be gradually getting better, or I’d have gone to the doctor. Ah, the joys of aging . . .

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  124. “and Mr. daley I never said it was Sarah’s fault I said it was par for the Sarah course”

    “This is so quintessentially Palin.”

    She has more than one child. Does her son in the military also reflect “par for the course” or is he some freakish exception? Looking at that family I would be a very proud parent myself.

    Eric Blair,
    My respects for your admirable comments on this thread. Thank you Sir.

    Machinist (497786)

  125. Machinist, I am trying to emulate people like yourself. I’m not perfect, and I let character assassins get to me. But I try to be decent, and polite. Thank you for what you wrote; coming from you it means a great deal.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  126. Eric,

    Someone emailed this last comment – interesting – asking what you teach is character assassination?

    You opened the floor, now its a simple easy question – you seem to have no problem attaching all sorts of adjectives to me and speculate endlessly on my mental state

    All I ask is – What do you teach?

    Thats all

    EricPWJohnson (ab6cc8)

  127. This prolly isn’t worth the effort but to those two commenters who can offer nothing but trailer trash accusations and slams against Palin and her seeming lack of ability to parent her children, I would say this:

    No reasonable parents wants to see their daughter end up a non-wed pregnant 17 year old. But the fact is, even in the wealthiest, classiest and highly educated families, teenagers have sex and end up pregnant.

    What you’ve neglected to see and acknowledge is this: The Palins have been stridently pro-life and exampled this in their own lives as evidenced by Trig’s birth. They obviously passed on this important value to their daughter as she too, when faced with the easy out of abortion, recognized the life in her womb was just that, and opted to go through what she knew would be an extraordinarily difficult and unselfish path in giving birth to the baby.

    That cannot be minimized when one considers not only at 17 year old having to tell her parents she’s pregnant but throw into the mix that this was not and is not a private matter like it would be for all of us but rather because of their public status, would be fresh meat for the wolves who would chew it up, spit it out, and start all over again. And even here at Patterico’s, the scavengers still can’t get enough.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  128. Lake House Man: go sleep it off, please. You are just continuing to be a tiresome troll. You fool no one. And you can’t be all that happy with yourself, or you wouldn’t do what you are doing here.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  129. You flatter me, we both know better. I looked in on this thread late and was very surprised to learn that a seventeen year child’s bad judgment totally discredits a parent as a leader or viable candidate. I guess Ron Reagan means his father was totally unfit to be a candidate for President or even Governor.We must expunge his accomplishments from the history books as his son clearly shows he was unfit and unworthy.

    Your responses to these ridiculous assertions were great and I was so glad to see them. I wish I was as articulate, but I guess intelligence and education show. I will just salute you.

    Machinist (497786)

  130. Dana, that is an interesting point. I cannot help but worry that Bristol’s child will have a difficult time of things, due to the fecklessness of the father. But on the other hand, the mother (like many mothers!) may be strong enough to provide just what the child needs. I hope, for the child’s sake.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  131. What in the sam hell does being a lawyer or a teacher have to do with the wild rantings of a confirmed lunatic?

    JD (6ca166)

  132. I forgot to add, that I believe that when one Tripp Johnston is old enough to understand life, he’ll be very grateful that his grandparents were wise and consistent respecters of human life that they raised their daughter to also respect the inherent value and worth of human life.

    That’s good parenting.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  133. Dana

    Its not about Palin or her stances – I agree with 100% of them – it about electability – pure and simple

    Phil Graham would have been a ground breaking president but the revelations that he inadvertently or advertently(sic) funded porn production – Graham was smart enough to realize that might have been a deal breaker –

    I’m not going to argue Graham didnt know or did know – but he was a talented an able politician who had the same ability to speak strongly and plainly like Palin and Reagan

    Cant fight semi legitimate accusations like that

    Sarah paraded Levi in front of the media – and it backfired

    EricPWJohnson (ab6cc8)

  134. Dana,
    Well said. I think that kind of character in a child is indeed “par for the Sarah course”. I find her family very impressive.

    Machinist (497786)

  135. Machinist, I went to a show last year—the “Spinal Tap: Unwigged and Unplugged” concert—and was in line to get a drink before it started.

    Who was in front of me? Ron Reagan, Jr. I got to listen to him talk to his companion while in line for about fifteen minutes. It was precisely what you would expect.

    By the way, I really enjoyed reading the published letters of Ronald Reagan. Very interesting, and gives lie to the old POV that he wasn’t intelligent and thoughtful.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  136. Eric, of course Bristol’s child will have a difficult time because of his father’s fecklessness. I think that because I believe fathers to be the backbone of the family. However, since the libs and feminists dont’, I suppose they won’t think it matters. but, does his less than optimal circumstances of birth and the immaturity of his father mean that he shouldn’t have been born? Of course not.

    How many of us were born to less than perfect, good, or healthy circumstances and yet have made successes of our lives, and even more importantly, had our own children and raised them to be loving, productive, independent citizens that we couldn’t be more proud of?

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  137. JD

    Nothing and everything right?

    Dana

    Not killing a baby doesnt automatically qualify you for avoiding people raising quesiones about your personal decisions and responsibility, nor does i excuse a parent for leaving a minor female unattended and unsupervised for significant periods of time

    Far from it

    EricPWJohnson (0f0a26)

  138. “By the way, I really enjoyed reading the published letters of Ronald Reagan. Very interesting, and gives lie to the old POV that he wasn’t intelligent and thoughtful.”

    That is the next book I want to get and read. I have seen enough to know you are right. He was a powerful intellect who was not afraid to drop to his knees and ask for guidance and wisdom. Even as an atheist I admire that greatly. One of our top five Presidents for sure.

    Machinist (497786)

  139. I would like to think that the extended maternal side of the family will help, Dana. They are strong people. Whether or not one agrees with their politics.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  140. Dana

    Its not just the situation – its the total mishandling of it. You want to trust our country in its most dire time of need to someone who cant set a curfew for a 16 yr old? Who cant seek even rudimentary advice from a law student, heaven forbid a seasoned practitioner?

    EricPWJohnson (0f0a26)

  141. EPJW, how old are your daughters?

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  142. Machinist, now is not the time, but I have a great story about RR involving my PhD advisor (sadly, long ago). I will write it up, and send it to Patterico, and then perhaps he can forward it to you. I think you will get a kick out of it.

    People sometimes confuse education with intelligence. Not the same thing, at all.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  143. Dana, your business, but you know how it will go.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  144. Good Allah. I am no Palin fan, but the abject douchenozzlery from the likes of EPWJ make me want to spit. The idea that she was not a good parent, because a teenage child got pregnant is laughable, yet sadly, that is only a mildly idiotic position compared to the normal ones EPWJ takes. The nonsense about asking people if they are lawyers and teachers is par for the course in this whack-job’s realm.

    JD (6ca166)

  145. Eric Blair,
    I would love to read it at your convenience, Sir. My e-mail is

    jeff(dot)machinist(at)gmail(dot)com

    Machinist (497786)

  146. “Its not about Palin or her stances – I agree with 100% of them – it about electability – pure and simple”

    EricPW – Bulldookey. Your comments initially were about whether Sarah was responsible for the behavior of her daughter and had mishandled the situation. You suggested that she was managing it for political gain and had mishandled it.

    It is eminently clear to many of us here on this thread that you have not had the experience of parenting teenage children or you would not persist with your ignorant comments.

    It is also clear that you probably not a lawyer based on your EpicFail analyses of O’Keefe New Orleans arrest, the Duke lacrosse case and similar situations.

    If you are part of the purity patrol, carry on.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  147. Yes, he brings new meaning to the word Sophistry, Plato would have taken the hemlock much sooner, with his kind around

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  148. Its not about Palin or her stances – I agree with 100% of them – it about electability – pure and simple

    Yea, of course! I don’t know why folks here are being tough on you for making that basic point.

    I’d vote for Palin over any Democrat/liberal, and I wouldn’t worry about that outcome not occurring if I had full confidence in the biases and wisdom of a majority of the American electorate (meaning humans in general). But there is way too much feel-good liberalism embedded in society — I’d estimate more today than at any other time in the history of Western civilization — so I’d be a fool to not take that into consideration.

    Mark (411533)

  149. “nor does i excuse a parent for leaving a minor female unattended and unsupervised for significant periods of time”

    The horror! The horror!

    Bring out the chastity belts.

    Bad things can happen before curfew.

    It only takes a few minutes.

    Remember the one foot on the floor rule!

    daleyrocks (940075)

  150. It is also clear that you probably not a lawyer based on your EpicFail analyses of O’Keefe New Orleans arrest, the Duke lacrosse case and similar situations.

    I do recall EricJ’s opinion on the Arizona law against illegal immigration and strongly disagreeing with his take, and I have to admit to merely whipping through his (and others) comments in this thread. So if I’ve been naive or overlooked important parts of the debate, allow me to say “mea culpa.”

    Mark (411533)

  151. Palin should have sued levi and got a restraining order, with help from a law student!!!!! And Breitbart is due to be indicted, any day now.

    JD (6ca166)

  152. forget about the trolling, and back to the original post, and this remark of Ace’s
    then abandoned her. And then, fearing that he soon might have to get a real job, he tricked her into accepting a false marriage proposal so he could sell the story to Us weekly for $100,000 (and also shop a reality show about the sham marriage)
    Abandoned her? From what I know, that’s hardly true. Gone slutting around Los Angeles does not qualify as abandonment.
    As for the sham marriage proposal–I’d like to know what grounds Ace has to say that. Best as I can tell, the only person who would know whether it is sham or not is Levi himself. Maybe, at this point, Bristol and her parents. But I doubt anyone else.

    What I see is a remarkably immature and self indulgent young man with no real ability to plan for the future who decided he could have his cake and eat it too–only he couldn’t make that last for even a month. So now, continuing on with the same inability to foresee the results of his actions, and probably blaming the elder Palins for messing up his plans (because of course with that sort of person it’s always someone else fault), he’ll try to sell a tell all book. And Palin may not mind the book at all–it will be so obviously biased she’ll be able to deal with it rather handily, and meantime the bigger the royalties, the bigger the child support checks that will come in for her grandchild.

    I rather hope Bristol got rid of him on her own, with as little input as possible from her parents–simply because it would show that she at least has attained maturity and respect for herself.

    kishnevi (550a2d)

  153. 140 Dana

    19,18,14

    and yes all are a handeful in their own way as all children are

    The 19 yr old is at West Point and entrusted with commanding seniors

    My 18 year old is going to college in a week and boundaries will and are being tested and my 14 year old is a top student athlete and will also attend the Academy as well if they will have her – their decisions no mine

    EricPWJohnson (ab6cc8)

  154. daley,

    I was thinking about that, too. At church, at school, at the library, in a park, because unfortunately where there’s a will (and little self-control), there’s a way.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  155. I have to go to the shoe store brb

    Comment by happyfeet

    Yes, they have these things called “odor Eaters.”

    I really think you and Eric PWJCHMSTRJ should get a room. Now, that might be an occasion for others in the next room to complain but an entire box of oder eaters might be enough to get you by one night.

    That should be enough.

    Bradley, I have a deck with a cigar humidor and thousands of trees. There are three bedrooms (one for Eric and stink (no, forget that.) and there is breakfast at the bakery, which has fresh cinnamon rolls.

    Mike K (d6b02c)

  156. Those are accomplished young women, EPWJ. You should be proud of them.

    And if your 18 year old comes home from college in six months, pregnant by her bfriend, would you consider yourself a failure as a parent?

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  157. Mike K, where are you in the San B Mts – Lake Arrowhead or BB?

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  158. “their decisions no mine”

    EricPW – How can you let them make their own decisions when you hold Sarah Palin responsible for the decisions of her children. Hypocrite.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  159. kishnevi

    Levi is scum, deserves what happens to him, should have never been allowed near her – parenting is 24/7 believe my 19 year old still at times chafes at my restrictions but deep down – she knows it too much paperwork to make me disappear…

    that was humor

    EricPWJohnson (ab6cc8)

  160. Mike K.
    I can’t wait to see your rustic paradise!

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  161. Well, damn ya’ll….with children, so perfect, we should all elect EPWJ as our next president…..cause obviously he’s never made a single mistake with his life….and since his children haven’t either, he must be something special….

    EPWJ for President!!!

    (and, just for EPWJ, I’ll include the sarc tag so he’ll understand….)

    reff (176333)

  162. Daley

    I mean that in the vein that it was a deep decision for them to apply to an
    US military academy, to have arab doctors give physicals and arab officials send transcripts to serve their fellow Americans in a time of war when we are living and going to school in a Sunni Nation full of terrorists and their sympathisers, and that they came to that decision on their own and their success is theirs and theirs alone

    Thats all, sorry for being unclear

    EricPWJohnson (ab6cc8)

  163. EPWJ, I have nothing? That’s hilarious. I’ve demonstrated your idiocy, your incompetence and your dishonesty in a dozen different threads on this site.

    Above you whine about having your character attacked, a clear impossibility as you have none.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  164. reff

    Gods been especially good to me, I admit I am extraordinarily lucky and blessed

    I take responsibilty for my actions – maybe Palin should as well – or is worth the personal gain to be the first woman to win a nomination against damaging the country by losing to the worst president who is acting like a clear and present danger to our country?

    EricPWJohnson (ab6cc8)

  165. I really enjoyed reading the published letters of Ronald Reagan.

    I think they also reveal he was a very decent, honorable person. I’ve long been puzzled by people, particularly his children, who said he had a wall around his personality, presuming they meant he was a typical male who kept things very close to the vest. If he were, he’d never have written so many letters of a very personalized nature throughout his life.

    Even if Reagan were a liberal, I’d still be impressed with his inner self—-if a scrutiny of JFK or Bill Clinton revealed a similar type of persona in private, I admit I’d feel quite a bit of gratitude towards those presidents too.

    Mark (411533)

  166. SPQR

    I do whine according to my children

    Specifics? Any?

    EricPWJohnson (ab6cc8)

  167. The tough letters to read, I thought, were the ones to his children when they didn’t get along, Mark. Lots of people used to attack RR for how his family turned out, and I used to think, hey, none of us were there. Why not give him the benefit of the doubt? Why assume the worst?

    I read the letters, and you can see how he struggled to be the good father that most fathers try to be, or hope to be. Perfect? Of course not. But he was trying. You can disagree with RR’s politics, or policies…but he tried to live by his code the best he could. And he was quite humble.

    Seriously, the collection is very interesting.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  168. Yes and her son came back from a tour in Diyala, last year, with the 173rd, and is likely to be deployed to Afghanistan soon, when she argues for
    a policy it is not just theoretical, it has real life consequences for her

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  169. The tough letters to read, I thought, were the ones to his children when they didn’t get along, Mark. Lots of people used to attack RR for how his family turned out, and I used to think, hey, none of us were there. Why not give him the benefit of the doubt? Why assume the worst?

    Gosh, wouldn’t the fact that Reagan’s children were less than perfect and that Reagan obviously was a less than perfect parent (as evidenced by his less than perfect children), disqualify him from ever being president? After all, if we were to use EPWJ’s standards, Reagan would not have even been electable!

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  170. EricPW – What was your answer to Dana’s #155?

    Also, I knew what you meant by your kids’ decisions, but it seems you are setting standards for others you are not keeping yourself, hence the hypocrite comment.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  171. EPWJ, your condescending attitude wheree the Palin’s are concerned comes out so strong to me in your reply. What could ever make you think that the Palin’s haven’t made great effort to do well with their children???

    I do pray that your daughters don’t read what you write here….they willo see right through you…..and be so disappointed in their father….

    reff (176333)

  172. Take responsibility for her actions? What exactly would that be? For raising a daughter that had sex? Quelle horror. You truly are an imbecile.

    JD (ffe6ea)

  173. Take responsibility for her actions? What exactly would that be? For raising a daughter that had sex? Quelle horror. You truly are an imbecile.

    JD (f89659)

  174. I saw a recent major poll and the negative ratings attached to Sarah Palin were quite high. Higher than they were for scroungy Bill Clinton. That illustrates what I was referring to about a large portion of the electorate foolishly giving wide latitude or benefit of the doubt to a person of the left.

    IOW, if Palin were a liberal and Clinton were a conservative, I bet a lot of the same respondents in such polls would switch their favorability rating.

    Some of that also may be due to a peculiar mix of chauvinism, feel-good economic personalizing and rightism, in which even a portion of conservatives find themselves saying “the economy was good under Clinton, he’s a guy instead of a news-anchor-desk lady, and although he’s a POS, I still have a soft spot for him!”

    I don’t like the nonsensical biases of a large percentage of the public, but if only for tactical reasons, they have to be taken into consideration.

    Mark (411533)

  175. Sorry for the double post … don’t know how that happened, other than that I hit “Submit Comment” twice.

    JD (3dc31c)

  176. Except he gave us the subprime bubble through the CRA revisions, was one of the largest supporters of Enron, helped cook the books in the same way as Frankkyn Raines did, and slashed our military and
    defense, right when AQ was hitting it’s stride

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  177. JD

    YEs I am stupid

    But

    1st – Bristol was a minor

    2nd Her parent knew of their relationship

    3rd Palin tried to manage damage control

    4th it backfired

    this doesent pertain to you – the next comment

    RR kids were adults when they made the decisions they were not 15/16 year old minors

    EricPWJohnson (0f0a26)

  178. I am still trying to figure out exactly what legal action Palin was supposed to use a law student for to have kept all of this from happening.

    JD (3dc31c)

  179. I am also trying to figure out, for the sake of argument that your #1-4 scenario is an accurate description, how that makes her a bad parent, and unfit? Of course her daughter was a minor, and of course the parents knew that her daughter was dating someone. Of course a parent tries to manage damage control for their child, espectially if they are a politician. And of course it backfired if the boyfriend turns out to be a fame-whoring sociopath. You and him would probably get along. Are you now, or have you ever been, a mental health professional or patient?

    JD (3dc31c)

  180. I thought you had a DNC or Moby Anonymous meeting to attend in D.C.

    JD (3dc31c)

  181. It’s at the lake house, JD. There are probably a fleet of vintage jeeps to take him there. Where von Braun waits.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  182. He prolly has to check in with his NSA and NASA contacts first.

    JD (3dc31c)

  183. It must be nice in Johnson’s world, where the children are perfect angels and nobody ever disobeys authority. No murders, no rapes, no pre-marital sex and no unwanted pregnancies. Where adolescents are paragons of probity and parents never have to worry about what their children are doing.

    But I live in this world, where adolescents do foolish things, and must live with the consequences of their actions. Unfortunate me. Guess I’ll just have to follow the Palins’ lead and accept what Bristol did as a fiat accompli. The milk’s been spilt and all that can be done about it is to pick up after and get on with life.

    I suspect Eric will become more tolerant of human failings when he has children of his own. Let’s hope he becomes more tolerant, for I’d hate to think he’s the small minded sort who’ll maintain his bigotry regardless of what life throws at him.

    Alan Kellogg (9fb1c3)

  184. Goodnight, you lousy parenting racists.

    JD (3dc31c)

  185. You can’t make this stuff up about the Palins. It is Levi’s problem. He just wanted some attention from the medias and Hollywood. He isn’t no star in Hollywood. He is lazy. He needed to learn how to grow up and get himself a real job. Wish he will go away.

    m (fc559b)

  186. If I were the devil and wanted to empower a political demagogue I would have her attacked constantly over minor, purely private, matters by her erstwhile political opponents. (maybe even attacking her children) Then, after these opponents have shown themselves to be cheatshot-pricks the public they would seek to “educate” will not listen when they try to point out the potential demagogue’s faults.

    But by all means, don’t listen to me: continue to mock her children – who have not run for office. Make effigies of her and HANG them. Yep – that’ll endear you to the general public – unless of course you think the general public are retards (with apologies to the developmentally handicapped). Now THAT is an attitude that will win general elections!!! [Speak so that I may know you…]please please please please keep talking, laughing, snarking

    Californio (6c4897)

  187. EricPW, in comment 152 you said among other things, “The 19 yr old is at West Point and entrusted with commanding seniors” which didn’t sound credible to me, so I did some checking. Here’s what I found on the West Point web site “During each succeeding year at West Point, you receive progressive leadership responsibilities, using those cadet experiences to hone your leadership skills. You learn how to be a team leader during the second year at West Point, guiding two or three cadets in your company.

    In your third year, leadership responsibilities are expanded, helping you learn more about senior noncommissioned officer duties in the U.S. Army. This prepares you for cadet officer responsibility during your senior year. You learn what it takes to lead larger groups. It also prepares you for platoon leadership responsibilities as a lieutenant in the U.S. Army.

    Either you are lying about your childs accomplishments or your child is lying to you,a 19 year old would be at best a second year cadet. Another very real possibility is that you have no children and made them up to buttress your arguments. Personally I lean to you having made them up, since your comment history shows that you tend to make things up on the fly.

    BTW, re: your 14 year old, you don’t just apply to West Point, there are certain requirements that must be met.

    Labcatcher (8d55a8)

  188. I wondered about that, but then EP would never steer us wrong on that point, sarc

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  189. Labcatcher – Don’t cross swords with EricPW, he belongs to a FOIA group.

    If he does have kids, I wonder how much he knows about their sex lives. Notice how he avoids Dana’s #155.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  190. We had a post here on PP when the news broke that Levi and Bristol were reuniting. Commenters might want to take a few moments to review their previous opinions, speculations, and predictions.

    ropelight (61b107)

  191. Levi Johnston .. working with you unwed mothers .. helping them get their start

    Neo (7830e6)

  192. Every conservative site I visit has liberal trolls. Every liberal site I visit doesn’t allow disagreement. Funny how that works.

    kansas (6c55e6)

  193. If Palin cannot run her family, how can she run America?
    Comment by nk — 8/7/2010 @ 3:13 pm

    — Two points (and NO, neither one is about the point on top of your head from which the propeller spins) dude: 1) Bristol Palin has been a legal adult since BEFORE the ’08 election, so you might want to hold her accountable for her own choices rather than blaming her mother. 2) If “allowing” a jerk-off to hang around the ‘family’ were criteria for not supporting said family, a bunch of us would’ve told Patterico adios a long time ago . . . for allowing you to keep posting here.

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  194. 17. Technically, Bristol is a younger girl with respect to Levi, but the age difference between them is less than a year. So the “younger girl” issue should be irrelevant.
    Comment by Joshua — 8/7/2010 @ 3:43 pm

    — How about younger in comparison with older women that have matured and don’t (or no longer) make the mistake of choosing the wrong guy? Many a teenage girl has wrongly felt that her high school boyfriend was “the one”, only to realize later (often with a marriage and children having come about in the meantime) that she should have seen it for what it was: a teenage crush.

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  195. Comment by 10SCgal — 8/7/2010 @ 3:48 pm
    My two cents — 1. I don’t think Mr. and Mrs. Palin trust Mr. Johnston as far as they can throw him,
    — They should make like Obama, and throw him under the bus . . . or, in their case, under a bear.

    and 2. I think Miss Palin has been blinded a bit by the limelight. It’s a lot easier to sell your story to a publication than actually work hard in a dental office to make ends meet.
    — Huh? Now she is the money-grubber? Nice.

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  196. Two points, and they’re both where you’re sitting I think: You raise your kids right and they behave right when they grow up; you don’t bring meth-trailer trash into your house even if it did knock up the daughter you failed to raise right.

    Look at the Clintons, for crying out loud. As horrific as they are, they raised their little girl right.

    There’s a lot about Sarah Palin to admire, great legs and great ambition to mention two, but she does not withstand strict scrutiny.

    nk (db4a41)

  197. scr_north sees non-existent granddaughters! Cue the spooky music: whooooooooooo!!!

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  198. Comment by EricPWJohnson — 8/7/2010 @ 5:45 pm
    I remember a time when parents were responsible for maintaining a household and monitoring the behavior of minor children.
    — Awww, did daddy gives you some whippins with his belt when youse was a youngin?

    I hope this is applied to Demcrat Candidates like Gores Daughter wearing a see through dress at Cannes
    — By which you mean John Kerry’s daughter, who was 30 years old at the time?

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  199. Joe McGinniss is eating his heart out. Who even cares about his book anymore?

    TimesDisliker (a709ce)

  200. Comment by EricPWJohnson — 8/7/2010 @ 6:13 pm
    I guess it all depends upon how important it is to some people that the leader of the greatist(sic) nation on the earth perhaps having a little less drama ongoing in their lives
    — Yes. God FORBID that we had a leader that was also a real person!

    I have three daughters as well.
    — All three of whom, I am sure, have never made a misstep or wrong decision during their entire lives.

    Presidents shouldnt become embarassments(sic) to the country – even before they are elected
    — There goes YOUR political career!

    Levi Johnson was welcomed into their house and paraded in front of crowds – incredibly poor poor decisions
    — Yes. Encouraging the father of your daughter’s child to be actively involved with the family is truly wrongheaded. They should have instinctively (ouija board? magic 8-ball? Sylvia Browne?) known that he was not going to grow up or mature or do the right thing, because people like you all saw it coming a mile away.

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  201. This POTUS is a moron and folks disqualify Palin b/c of her daughter?

    POTUS a Kenyan School Economist, a Chamberlain School Foreign Policy Theorist and Maoist Domestic Policy Expert.

    HeavenSent (ff0596)

  202. Comment by EricPWJohnson — 8/7/2010 @ 6:21 pm
    the Palins could have taken direct legal action but they choose to try and whitewash the situation for political gain and now its backfiring
    — Typical lib: bringing in a lawyer is always the FIRST thought. Oh, and what exactly did they try to “whitewash”?

    But like I said Al Gores son has been arrested sooo many times and the conduct of another child (dont get me started on Mondales kid wither) – that the double standard with Palin is getting more than more absurd.
    — Who is it that EVER said “Gore shouldn’t be trusted to run the country because he can’t even run his own family”? Who, a-hole?

    But Sarah dug the hole she finds herself in – if the cant lead a 17 yr old – WTF are you thinking she could handle the senate? 3 years to fix this thing and she pancaked
    — And of course this is a “thing” that needed to be “fixed”, right? Maybe she should have pulled an LBJ and had Levi and Todd go off on a ‘hunting trip’, eh? Two go out, one comes back.

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  203. nk …You really are full of it. You just can’t blame parents for what their kids do. Regardless of how well you rear your children, once they reach puberty they are going to do whatever they want. Teaching them right and wrong is a great help, but no guarantee that they will do the right thing. It’s a real crap shoot. Preachers kids, cops kids, teachers kids, firefighters kids are all just as prone to go off and do everything that they have been told is wrong and dangerous as any other kid. I have seen it time and time again. Every year when the fair comes to town, we have girls from good homes with good school records reporting that they were “kidnapped” (for the weekend, fair and carnies leave town on Monday). The story is always the same and they usually fess up under questioning.

    Teenage girls are attracted the to the bad boys, teenage boys are attracted to danger. I don’t know why,but they are. Short of not allowing them out of the house and escorting them wherever they go, including to and from school, parents cannot control what they do.

    I didn’t know Levi was a crankster, I thought it was just his mother.

    Labcatcher (8d55a8)

  204. Comment by EricPWJohnson — 8/7/2010 @ 6:30 pm
    In these most important times we need leadrship that is free from controversy so they an concentrate on the long difficult road of establishing standards without looking weak or insincere.
    — That’s really funny, since strength and sincerity are pretty much Sarah’s strongest qualities. Oh, and can you name some periods in history that were NOT “important times”?

    Parading a guy who knocked up your minor daughter out in the public at campaign rallies – wow!
    — You’re right. They should have kept him locked up somewhere, far far away from THE PREGNANT MOTHER OF HIS CHILD!

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  205. Comment by EricPWJohnson — 8/7/2010 @ 6:43 pm
    Did her minor daughter find herself unsupervised enough to have many sexual encounters leading to pregnancy?
    — “many”, as in “slutty”? You must have kept your daughters pure by not allowing them any time to themselves whatsoever. I’m sure they will thank you for it later.

    Look, the PRESIDENCY is IMPORTANT – even more so – this next election is a crucial one –
    — Has there EVER been a presidential election that wasn’t “crucial”? Feel free to stop talking in media speak.

    Fair or not – Sarah screwed the Levi situation horribly – not my fault for pointing it out
    — 1) thanks for admitting that this has nothing to do with being fair to Sarah Palin. 2) Seriously, HOW has she screwed the situation “horribly”?

    Is Palin the only person capable of leading the country? Really? I like her alot(sic), but she’s now completely unelectable
    — Really? Because of this? Yeah, nobody knew about Billy Carter and Roger Clinton until after their brothers were elected, right? And WHO is saying that she is the only capable person? Thanks, though, for acknowledging that she IS capable. :)

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  206. – Who is it that EVER said “Gore shouldn’t be trusted to run the country because he can’t even run his own family”? Who, a-hole?

    Who the hell ever said Al Gore was fit to wipe Sarah Palin’s ass? It’s a relative scale and just because Sarah is better than Gore does not make her good enough to get more than 40% of the vote.

    nk (db4a41)

  207. I assume this is going to be in the fiction section…

    JEA (8d1c37)

  208. EPWJ (again),
    So you are on record that parents are responsible for their minor childrens[sic] upbringing unless its politically expedient to ignore it when a domestic situation is mishandled and blows up spectacularly in full technicolor – then its sh#t happens to everyone..

    — Who said that Sarah Palin was NOT responsible for the upbringing of her child? She was. Spewing the “progressive” (you remember progressives, don’t you? the ones that defend single motherhood and teenage motherhood with every fiber of their being . . . unless they have a chance to skewer the opposition with attacks against it) digs at her really makes you look dumb. This situation didn’t ‘blow up’. It has been overblown by the leftist media; and here you are, chiming in.

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  209. Comment by EricPWJohnson — 8/7/2010 @ 7:00 pm
    The point was they didnt try [legal action] – even if they had lost at least people could see they were clearly unhappy with the situation and took what responsible action they could
    — Because the “responsible action” is to litigate against the father of your grandchild, rather than try to resolve the issue amicably.

    They didnt – they tried to whitewash it and turn it into an early marriage situation which backfired into blackmail and all the sordid aftermath
    — The Palins tried to engineer a marriage, and therefore brought the attempted blackmail upon themselves; is that it? Notice, folks, how PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY does not enter into EPWJ’s thoughts at any time.

    Should we elect someone who could not handle a routine domestic situation – no
    — Remember that sitcom from the 70’s where the mayor’s stock line was “handle it, handle it”?

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  210. “you don’t bring meth-trailer trash into your house even if it did knock up the daughter you failed to raise right”

    Heh! nk advises sticking your fingers in your ears and scream ‘I can’t hear you’ when faced with a family problem.

    So how does Bristol stack up with Al Gore’s cocaine sniffing daughter? The one that got herself caught on tape to boot. And Edwards’ kids? Oh, they’re going to have a whole boatload of mommy/daddy issues. Yes, let’s laugh at that too.

    Interesting that a post about the OFFSPRING of a politician gets 195 comments. Anti-Palin nuts can’t help themselves.

    East Bay Jay (b9c5b1)

  211. Comment by EricPWJohnson — 8/7/2010 @ 6:53 pm
    he was arrested in 2000 for firing shots at police under the influence in NC and having a weapon, cocaine – it was reduced to speeding and covered up
    — Aren’t your posts silly enough without resorting to conspiracy theories?

    In September 2000 when he was 17 – this would have changed the outcome of the election – dont ya think?
    — Don’t YOU think too hard; it makes our heads hurt. So, your point is that AlGrope does a better job of covering up his kid’s mistakes, and therefore would be a better leader?

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  212. And sure enough, at 9:01 AM we’re qualifying and disqualifying politicians based on their perceived parenting skills. Perceived from afar. No, I don’t mean as perceived by a friend from outside of the family. I mean perceived based on what nk saw on the intertubes.

    East Bay Jay (b9c5b1)

  213. The other side is going to hammer her mercilessly during her run for the nomination – and they have now unlimited ammunition
    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 8/7/2010 @ 7:30 pm

    — And if they didn’t have that “ammunition” they would manufacture it, just like they manufactured (by Dan rather no less) the National Guard ammo against W., and the “oh no, he’s been divorced, and his kids don’t like him!” ammo (by people that support non-traditional marriage or no marriage at all) and the “he’s an actor that did Bonzo movies!” ammo against Reagan.

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  214. 130. What in the sam hell does being a lawyer or a teacher have to do with the wild rantings of a confirmed lunatic? Comment by JD — 8/7/2010 @ 8:19 pm

    — Currently it would make one President of the United States.

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  215. And it interesting to see the common cause regarding certain R candidates between progressives and certain elements of the Right.

    Eric Blair (8f8c90)

  216. Not killing a baby doesnt automatically qualify you for avoiding people raising quesiones[sic] about your personal decisions and responsibility, nor does i[sic] excuse a parent for leaving a minor female unattended and unsupervised for significant periods of time
    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 8/7/2010 @ 8:27 pm

    — That’s right! Lock ’em up, I say. Let’s fit all of them with chastity belts. Or Chastity Bono. Talk about a mood killer!

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  217. Dana, it is Lake Arrowhead and I have some pics on the web site. I won’t be moved in for another week and will be searching for things for a month.

    So far Winston has avoided being run over on the fairly busy (By LA standards) street out front. That is a negative except when it is snowplow time. I’ve had weekend places here for 35 years.

    If the stink on this thread gets too bad, that is an option. I am constantly amazed at the hatred toward Palin by people who cannot really enunciate what it is they hate. If any of them had any experience with Alaska, they would know that kids live in a different world there. They are out snow camping at 15.

    I got to know a guy who drove a sight seeing bus at Denali Park in the summer and taught school in Texas in the winter. His sister moved to the area near the Denali Park hotel. She built a log cabin on homestead land. One summer, he helped her wire her cabin for electricity. She had a pack of sled dogs and would go off with the pack for weeks at a time in mid winter. She raced in the Yukon Challenge (Now called Yukon Quest for some reason).

    Alaska kids are not like Orange County kids. And even the latter get pregnant.

    Mike K (d6b02c)

  218. Semi-repeating my earlier post: Seems like there’s a whole bunch of Andrew Sullivan sockpuppets posting here.

    Old Coot (fc2376)

  219. People can support whoever they like politically. It’s the *personal* nastiness toward the Palins that sounds so much like DK or HP. Very strange. Or maybe not.

    Eric Blair (8f8c90)

  220. Comment by kishnevi — 8/7/2010 @ 8:44 pm
    Abandoned her? From what I know, that’s hardly true. Gone slutting around Los Angeles does not qualify as abandonment.
    — Nah. Not being around to help raise your infant son, or to emotionally support the 18-19 year old first-time mother of your infant son? You’re right. No abandonment there.

    As for the sham marriage proposal–I’d like to know what grounds Ace has to say that. Best as I can tell, the only person who would know whether it is sham or not is Levi himself.
    — Reasonable conclusion based on available circumstantial evidence, counselor.

    I rather hope Bristol got rid of him on her own, with as little input as possible from her parents
    — Is this YOUR conspiracy theory? that perhaps they ordered her to get rid of him? For what reason? to save face, publicly and politically? If you listen to EPWJ, it’s far too late for that.

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  221. my 14 year old is a top student athlete and will also attend the Academy as well if they will have her – their decisions no mine
    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 8/7/2010 @ 8:44 pm

    — You allow your 14 year old to make decisions?
    I don’t believe it.

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  222. the woman would immediate attract a lot less condescension if she would just say she has no designs on the presidency I think

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  223. *immediately* I mean

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  224. of course so would that douchebag Romney jackass

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  225. sorry for being unclear
    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 8/7/2010 @ 8:55 pm

    — It’s okay. We understand (not what you say; just the reasons why you’re unclear).

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  226. the woman would immediate attract a lot less condescension if she would just say she has no designs on the presidency I think

    This reveals far more about those who are condescending toward Palin, than Palin herself.

    The smug, narrow-minded judgementalness is strikingly reminiscent of the left and the progs – a breed who pride themselves on being open-minded and tolerant yet in reality are something far from it.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  227. Comment by EricPWJohnson
    I take responsibilty for my actions – maybe Palin should as well – or is worth the personal gain to be the first woman to win a nomination against damaging the country by losing to the worst president who is acting like a clear and present danger to our country?
    — Sure. It’s all about how she will lose to Obama . . . because of THIS issue. To call you silly would be an insult to silly people.

    I do whine according to my children
    — Shocka!

    Specifics? Any?
    — Every post that ends with “Comment by EricPWJohnson”

    1st – Bristol was a minor
    2nd Her parent knew of their relationship

    — ergo: minors should never have relationships . . . EVER.

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  228. “Look at the Clintons, for crying out loud. As horrific as they are, they raised their little girl right.”

    nk – I’m not sure what evidence there is to support this view. More like Chelsea grew ip OK in spite of her horrible parents. Those pictures of her puking drunk in London were kinda special, though. What kid doesn’t DESERVE a $3 million wedding?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  229. Palin cheapens the presidency every bit as much as bumblef has when she encourages her blinkered groupies to visualize someone of her caliber assuming the office.

    If a good number of people in our little country don’t understand that they deserve better than to have these sorts of callow self-promoting razzle-dazzles as their leaders then there’s precious little hope for the future I don’t think.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  230. Even though I’ve been reading this blog for quite awhile, I’m not really sure about the history of EricPWJohnson. IOW, is he a closeted liberal, a closeted conservative, a libertarian, etc? I know he was super squishy about the Arizona anti-illegal-immigration law, but so are the otherwise right-leaning folks at the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal.

    I only resent it when people formulate an opinion on a topic like Levi Johnston based on whether they like Sarah Palin’s politics or not. Or whether the politician happens to be male or female.

    Mark (411533)

  231. I love Sarah Palin’s politics I just think she’s more than a bit of a dinky hoo.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  232. callow self-promoting razzle-dazzles

    Maybe if you superimpose the face of Shirley Sherrod face upon Palin, you’ll then want to give her as many benefits of the doubt as you gave Sherrod.

    Mark (411533)

  233. pretty sure Shirley has no designs on the presidency

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  234. Hey, folks! Isn’t Mr. Feet classy? Dana, what do you think?

    Personally, I loved him condescendingly accusing others of condescension.

    Change the subject time, I suspect.

    And I really wouldn’t use the word “dinky” in this context, sir. It leaves you open to rude replies. But then, I am starting to get that such is your goal.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  235. Things they have called her, well some of feets famous acronyms, recall that ‘affair and divorce’ rumor they floated about a year ago, from a source even more vile than Levi,that’s she was an embezzler, that was right after she said she would resign, that she incited violence against Obama, that she was a false front foScientology, for accepting the Van Susterens, that she ‘rampaged through stores, like Wasilla hillbillies, that was floated by special bumble gal Nicole Wallace, that she openly regretted joining the ticket, also floated by Wallace anonymously.

    As to her aspirations, who knows, she wants to serve, and she doesn’t require a title, she reminds us, not to put our trust in politicians, because they will let you down. She loves her country, her state, her faith and her family, sounds cliche but that is the truth. She sees what this country is becoming, and I’m sure it breaks her heart. There are but a few resolute figures at the top and many stragglers, if she feels that certain issues will not be properly addressed, she will run, for the same reason she took the extraordinary gamble of going on the ticket in the first place. She saw the threat that Obama represented, she stated rather vividly her reservations at the convention, and afterwards. Now people were distracted by the Gibson and Couric show, and Fey’s fey little pantomine, well how’d that work out for you

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  236. Nr. Feets – Would it help you if we talk about Sarah’s icky parts like an Andrew Sullivan thread?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  237. Now is some one going to carve up that very insipid
    Op Ed by Rutten, that squatted on my local paper

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  238. I don’t think I accused anyone of condescension at all

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  239. I love Sarah Palin’s politics I just think she’s more than a bit of a dinky hoo.

    That I can deal with.

    OTOH, I mentioned previously that a major poll indicated Palin’s negatives are quite high. By contrast, a lot of the folks in that survey apparently are all tingly about trashy Bill Clinton. When I see that kind of sloppy, amoral way of judging or rating people — perhaps in which money is king, and the dot-com boom years of the 1990s make folks gushy about the president at that time — I wonder if this country is full of too many people who, in effect, set us up for a big fall.

    I still recall the rather high number of Americans who several years ago said the country was on the wrong track. That being during the time when Bush II was in the White House and the unemployment rate was quite low.

    Well, America, your feelings, perceptions and harsh reality have now merged.

    Mark (411533)

  240. Bill Clinton is also more than a bit of a dinky hoo.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  241. Comment by nk — 8/8/2010 @ 8:02 am
    194. Two points, and they’re both where you’re sitting I think:
    — Haven’t we already established that you don’t think?

    You raise your kids right and they behave right when they grow up; you don’t bring meth-trailer trash into your house even if it did knock up the daughter you failed to raise right.
    — Yes, she’s a terrible mother. Got it. Too bad that you and your ex post facto knowledge of how Levi was going to turn out didn’t take a trip back in time to warn her. Talk about a failure!

    Look at the Clintons, for crying out loud. As horrific as they are, they raised their little girl right.
    — No public scandals = perfect parenting. Just don’t try to open any of those locked closet doors. Might be some scary skeletons inside!

    There’s a lot about Sarah Palin to admire, great legs and great ambition to mention two, but she does not withstand strict scrutiny.
    — Gee, a sexist dismissive comment? From you? Channeling your inner-happyfeet, nk?

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  242. She’s a practicing Christian, hence they throw all these ridiculous memes at her, From the Times to
    the ‘clean toga’ firm of Frum,Brooks, Noonan, Parker and new partner Bainbridge to the tabloids
    and the entertainment shows. It’s not too much of an exageration to compare it to the “Two Minute
    Hate” although it’s been more like two years.

    The question as David Byrne once opined ‘Is How did I get here” Has she been right on the important things, pretty much across the board, I’ll argue with some of her endorsement, I wasn’t
    crazy about Carly or Rand, but I have principled
    disagreements with their policy stances

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  243. 205. I assume this is going to be in the fiction section…
    Comment by JEA — 8/8/2010 @ 9:04 am

    — Every combination non sequitur/ad hominem attack comment you’ve ever made belongs in the fiction section.

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  244. So how about that thread, shredding rutten’s pretensious take on the Tea Parties, and the election in general

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  245. Comment by nk — 8/8/2010 @ 9:01 am
    Who the hell ever said Al Gore was fit to wipe Sarah Palin’s ass?
    I did! He can even use 100% recycled paper to do it.

    It’s a relative scale and just because Sarah is better than Gore does not make her good enough to get more than 40% of the vote.
    — The “she can’t possibly win” argument. Too bad that she didn’t kill Bristol in a fit of post-partum depression. Then this scandal would have never taken place; plus, she would have all of your empathetic support and legal expertise at her disposal.

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  246. Palin threads go to weird places

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  247. Yes, that can happen when you have no concern for the truth. Seriously now, does one think that McCain would have done manifestly worse decisions
    then Obama, and the occasional good one

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  248. 237. I don’t think I accused anyone of condescension at all
    Comment by happyfeet — 8/8/2010 @ 10:51 am

    — Sexist, meet mirror.

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  249. I’m not a sexist I just think some women are stupid.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  250. you know, individual particular ones like Sarah Palin

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  251. and that’s a very very mainstream opinion

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  252. Mr. Feets – About those icky girl parts.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  253. I don’t care one way or the other about Sarah Palin’s coochie pie I think she’s a big silly and it doesn’t speak well of our little country that someone of such limited ability and questionable work ethic is allowed such political influence.

    But then we elected bumblef.

    It makes for a very disheartening pattern.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  254. Okay, I get it now (posts #248 – #250): you are trying to be a jackass. Fine. Mission accomplished. You have some folks here who think you are precious, but more and more people see you as offensive, as you can see from comments. That doesn’t bother you, and that is fine too.

    But surely you see the hypocrisy in your words. Yes, you do. You just want the right to be offensive, even to people here (not me) who have never even engaged you, and who have never said a single critical word to you.

    “Stupid” is such a fun word to apply to people you have never met. I could just as easily call you a “troll” and you would be irritated. But that’s different, of course, even though you certainly act like a leftie troll when it comes to Sarah Palin (and your response that anyone who disagrees with you must be a mindless supporter of Palin is equally trollish).

    This all started on issues of family, not politics, and you maintained a highly offensive style on the whole subject, ranging from the Palins “milking” this, to there being no difference between Levi J. and the Palins, and now to Sarah Palin being “stupid.” And yes, I am the one with the issues in your world view. Jeez.

    Fine. Go buy some more shoes or something. I wish you many friends just exactly as thoughtful and understanding and civil as yourself.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  255. Yes she reformed her state’s tax system, the ethics
    code, maybe a little too quickly I’ll grant, and put the state on a path to a new pipeline, all in the first year of her term, and cut earmarks by 2/3
    from her predecessor

    http://www.retiredteachers.org/News%20061010.html

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  256. Some women ARE stupid.
    She is not one of them.
    But you don’t call her a stupid person.
    You call her a stupid woman.
    You differentiate.
    In my opinion that makes you a sexist.

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  257. Hi guys how you like my new shoes?

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  258. “I’m not a sexist I just think some women are stupid.”

    “you know, individual particular ones like Sarah Palin”

    You also mentioned Mr. Nikki the other night. Funny how it was another misogynistic reference.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  259. Sarah Palin is a stupid person what thinks she can fleece her fan clubbers indefinitely by playing herself off as someone what is of presidential caliber but she only succeeds in making herself and them look ridiculous.

    This is a person what put herself forward as vice presidential candidate on a ticket with an odious geriatric geezer knowing it was not unlikely that she with her limited skills and knowledge could very likely be asked to assume the presidency.

    Of course she was heavily scrutinized, and the vast majority of Americans found her terribly wanting.

    If you don’t want to call that stupid fine but it shows a stunning lack of self-awareness on her part I think.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  260. Who is Nikki?

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  261. I don’t think that was me was it?

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  262. the woman would immediate attract a lot less condescension if she would just say she has no designs on the presidency I think

    Comment by happyfeet — 8/8/2010 @ 10:16 am

    I don’t think I accused anyone of condescension at all

    Comment by happyfeet — 8/8/2010 @ 10:51 am

    Labcatcher (8d55a8)

  263. And all of this has a lot to do with her family issues, of course.

    Like I said, this is personal to Mr. Feet. A person he has never met, and he cannot bring himself to feel badly about the Palin’s family problems—and most families have problems at one time or another. No, it is their fault, they are milking it, and are equivalent to good old Levi.

    This is the same guy who told me not to take things so seriously.

    Wipe the spittle off the screen, sir. Or change the subject. No worries, though: you will be able to be offensive about the Palins very soon again.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  264. “I’m not a sexist I just think some women are stupid.
    Comment by happyfeet — 8/8/2010 @ 11:31 am”

    And no men are?? You are always quick to point out women’s shortfalls. Even when you criticize John McCain, you call him Megan’s daddy. It’s like he’s bad because of his daughter. What’s up with that?

    I’m so happy that EPWJ has the perfect life, daughters, lake house, and that great job over in the middle east. Someday his daughter’s just might make a mistake, but he would never admit it here. Just go on saying they are perfect. Sounds to me like he and nk live in a fantasy world when it comes to kids.

    PatAZ (9d1bb3)

  265. And I keep thinking of Alinsky’s rules for dealing with political opponents. Here is something that sounds familiar:

    “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.”

    Hmm. It is possible to very much oppose Sarah Palin’s policies or ideas without all of this personal business, that quickly seems to descend into very nasty business indeed. And it is very possible to do so while trying to be sympathetic to her family issues.

    Which was the point of this entire thread, wasn’t it?

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  266. There is no way of knowing what went on with Chelsea, the media really went out of their way to leave her alone… plus if she got knocked up, she’d just get an abortion and it wouldn’t have been hard to hide.

    All that said, a young girl saw the handsome, popular hockey player looking at her, they talked, went out, and then if she wanted to keep him, she was going to have to give it up, because he could get sex from a few other girls.
    Same story goes at every public high school multiple times a day.
    So she winds up pregnant and suddenly her mom is asked to be a VP candidate… but there is a nagging detail of the pregnancy…
    VP candidate mom discloses pregnancy to McCain camp, and they go with her anyway.
    McCain camp tries to spin this by bringing in the whole family and include the douchebag for some lame reason.
    Bristol in the media was inevitable, but the McCain camp should have left Levi in Wasilla.
    It was McCain’s campaign and putting Levi out there was McCain’s mistake.
    No matter what the back story was from the Palin’s… McCain was supposed to be in charge

    SteveG (f6fb69)

  267. Sarah Palin is a tabloid celebrity so it’s not surprising that she gets the tabloid celebrity treatment. Where are you people when it comes to decrying the shockingly invasive and degrading coverage of the demonstrably talented Miss Lohan?

    yeah that’s what I thought

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  268. That seems fairly clear, Steve, Lindsey Lohan wwas mildly talented around the time of ‘Mean Girls’ but then she went on a Drew Barrymore bender and won’t come back, because she is not as winsome.

    Most of the tabloid things, are either made up or exaggerated, as I’ve pointed out before.

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  269. knowing it was not unlikely that she with her limited skills and knowledge could very likely be asked to assume the presidency
    — I see. So, is it your contention, happyfeet, that the very thing the Democrats used as a scare tactic (the possibility that McCain would die in office, leaving Sarah Palin as our commander-in-chief) is also what she was counting on when she agreed to be on the ticket? It isn’t enough to call her stupid? Now you need to challenge her morals, ethics, and motives as well? What a class act you are.

    Of course she was heavily scrutinized, and the vast majority of Americans found her terribly wanting.
    — That “vast majority” being 52.9% of voters. Nowhere near “vast”, and not a “majority of Americans”, since about 42% of “Americans” (eligible or not) voted. Also, of course, the entire election was a referendum on her, not her running mate, and not Barack Obama. And if by “heavily scrutinized” you mean “tarred & feathered by the media”, then I’m right there with you on that one, brother!

    If you don’t want to call that stupid fine but it shows a stunning lack of self-awareness on her part I think.
    — Another “she can’t possibly win” bleat. How many said the same thing after Reagan lost the nomination in ’76?

    Icy Texan (d9d345)


  270. “… it comes to decrying the shockingly invasive and degrading coverage…”

    You really need to take a break and look at yourself, sir. You think you are funny and post-ironic, but you are really quite bitter and mean spirited (I’m thinking Letterman)…and apparently quite unaware of yourself. Honestly.

    I recommend you get yourself a nice pair of mules, and find another topic. As I say, you will have other opportunities to be your usual self on this topic.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  271. as long as that vapid slurk is still holding to a pretense that she’s right up there with Lincoln and Reagan with the leadership qualities I imagine there’ll be no dearth of opportunity at all to point out what a ridiculous and scoffworthy notion it is to elevate a celebrity spokesmodel to the realm of the presidential

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  272. Who gives a flying fuck about Lindsay Lohan?

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  273. Um. Back to thread topic.

    Maybe you need some of those “peekaboo” toes in your shoes, since we are learning a great deal about your basic nature here. Icy Texan has your number, it sure looks like.

    Why not move on? Again: you will have time to insult and degrade people in other threads.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  274. Oh, and I think you need a tissue, again.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  275. Yes, but enough about Obama, although lefty machine pol, best describes him. I don’t think she thinks of herself as Reagan or Lincoln, although both were
    strongly denigrated in their day, by the nothing
    press

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  276. The Rutten piece was from last week, but it surfaced in the Herald, this week like U-571

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  277. Let me put this as delicately and charitably as I can. Sarah Palin has more class in her little finger than HF can ever hope to have in his entire body.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  278. Mr. Hitchcock, the thing that makes me sad is the conflation of personal and the political here. It’s fine to argue that Ms. Palin is not one’s cup of tea for political office. I get that. What I don’t get is mean spirited personal attacks about family issues. Which brings me to your point, I think.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  279. oh? well maybe we can just elect her little finger and leave her mouf back in Alaska

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  280. She has more class in the “oh, how embarrassing; heavens!” words that are written on her hand than feets has throughout his entire system.

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  281. I take back everything I said. Feet’s post #270 proves his non-sexist cred beyond all shadows of doubt. How could I have been so wrong?

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  282. PatAZ

    Sarah Palins accomplishments are extraordinary, her views are noteworthy, but she has too much baggage of her own making to be elected president. Its not fair, its unfortunate, but its wasnt the mistake it was the handling of the mistake, there are ways to handle these things, she didnt, and it blew up.

    America is not going to have 8 years of Levi. there are too many others who are just as acomplished as Sarah. She is not the only republican out there

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  283. I could have just as easily have written #270 about bumblef the defiler before we put his Sarah Palin-caliber ass in the white house

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  284. Eric

    What mean spirited attacks – please point out one and discuss why you thought it was mean spirited.

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  285. If Reverend Wright and Father Pfleger and Tony Rezko couldn’t keep Obama from being elected, then what the hell kind of damage do you think this is really gonna do?

    “8 years of Levi.” Gimme a friggin’ break!

    Icy Texan (d9d345)

  286. Icy Texan

    None of that was really covered by the MSM, unfortunately. Palin bothers them, she cant handle it either, and I dont really want to know every aspect of their lives

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  287. Mr. Troll: please go away. You fool no one, you are tiresome, and your entire posting history suggests that you don’t have anything to contribute.

    By all means, continue to post. But no one feels any real obligation to respond to your nonsense.

    You need to go shoe shopping.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  288. Nicely done, Icy Texan.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  289. Did EPWJ ever tell us what legal action Palin should have used a first year law student to file?

    JD (3dc31c)

  290. Eric

    Please point out the mean spirited attacks here

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  291. Again, can we not just get along?

    It should be possible to hold different opinions without insulting anyone.

    I am not referring to any particular comment or commenter here. I am just referring to the entire arc of this thread. And some others as well.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  292. You must be a Democrat, Patterico.

    JD (3dc31c)

  293. Certainly, Patterico. I just think that it might be nice to have some sympathy for the family situation the Palins face—which is completely separate from the political. I could do without some of the odd gynecological terminology being flung about, but perhaps I am too old fashioned or something.

    And as for a certain person who is acting very odd indeed (and I don’t mean Mr. Feet), I would rather not engage this person’s behavior. I have no trouble calling that person a troll, and I apologize if that is offensive to you.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  294. Claiming Sarah is a failure as a parent for her daughter having a child; and since Obama is gay on the down-low, let’s discuss Michelle Obamas failure as a wife.
    Or not.

    I’m impressed with the self-control of Sarah and Todd Palin. I would have taken Levi somewhere private for a nice ‘discussion’ about appropriate vs. inappropriate behavior regarding my family.

    Jeff S. (b15751)

  295. Has EPWJ told us the correct way this should have been handled? What way could have survived the hostile media? What legal actions should have been initiated against the douchenozzle? Maybe Dede Scozzafava could tell us how it should be handled. Or Breitbart.

    JD (3dc31c)

  296. EPWJ and the media contend that taking the kids out on stage at the convention was a sign of using the kids for political gain, and a poor parenting decision. Why does the same standard not get applied to Teh One’s repeated use of his kids as political props?

    JD (3dc31c)

  297. You, on the other hand, have made all kinds of odd claims since you began trolling here. The job in the Middle East. The lake house. The European vacation.

    I actually think this poster is the late Trolly called Harpy, who made was even more of a fabulist than Von Braun. I’m going to start listing all of his claims from now on – should be a hoot.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  298. Dmac, you see how that works out. It’s just DCSCA-lite. All the trollery, half the fabulist stories. But it is interesting to watch the fellow get angry. The spelling goes out the window, then the grammar, and finally we get all caps and sometimes bold face raving.

    Sigh.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  299. I don’t remember Harpy, though. Well, I expect we will see.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  300. Eric B

    You mean your weeks of name calling and totally boorish behavior as well as encouraging others to be as low brow as you, anytime I express an opinion?, using personal information shared in the best of intentions as perhaps a mental condition all because you will not or cannot formulate an opinion contray to mine is an excuse?

    I agree that we should be sympathetic but that precludes someone’s viability to the general public as a candidate.

    Also no one has profited more from a teen pregnancy than Sarah, she’s worth in the tens of millions soon or now.

    I’m sorry that I did not handle your incessant attacks with more class, you deserve it and so does this blog. And I am very sorry if I offended you personally by asking what you teach – I realize now that can be offensive to college/university professors

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  301. JD

    I would have filed suit immediately for damages, interesting that Palin has said that she might do that as well, I would have gone to the DA with a criminal complaint.

    I wouldnt have tried to spin it – Like I said we are in critical times and someone who cannot stiff arm a horny teen out the door and keep out – isnt going to inspire alot of people to overlook her numerous other flaws

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  302. It should be possible to hold different opinions without insulting anyone.

    It’s interesting because all the resentment evident here is occurring among people who are politically-ideologically more alike than different. IOW, if it’s bad in this forum it’s going to get worse when such debates include the wider community of dyed-in-the-wood Democrats/liberals, centrists, uber-squishes, semi-liberals, semi-conservatives, libertarians, ultra-leftists, ultra-rightists, etc.

    For any number of reasons, Palin provokes a lot of odd discord. Not sure if it’s similar to when the left was duking it out over the competition between Hillary and Barack.

    Mark (411533)

  303. The ironic part, of course, is how this Troll fellow…simply proved my point. Complete with bold faced nonsense and some unusual syntax.

    It’s actually pretty funny.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  304. Sarah Palin made tens of millions off of her daughter’s pregnancy? Really? Care to substantiate that bit of arsehattery?

    What civil damages could she get for her daughter getting preggers? What criminal statutes apply to that?

    I am sorry that you are an imbecile.

    Your venom towards Eric Blair, who is about as kind and patient as you will ever encounter, says volumes about your lack of character.

    Maybe Breitbart will be indicted tomorrow.

    JD (3dc31c)

  305. Eric B

    I was addressing your assertion that she deserves our sympathy, and I agreed, I also noted the FACT that she has made millions off of her life story which the thrust of it can arguably be her daughters pregnancy.

    Its sad that we never hear much of her son who is/has served and the other children.

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  306. JD

    She has made millions off of her speeches, book deals and TV appearances – I’m sorry that it was venomous to ask Eric what he taught, I realize now that when someone uses credentials of a Ph.D or mentions that they teach that asking what is highly venomous

    However this article may not be accurate but Palin hasnt refuted it that I know of

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002412-503544.html

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  307. Gee, yet another ass pull from EPWJ … mark me surprised.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  308. Beyond the issue of Levi Johnston, Palin admittedly has made a nice chunk of change on releasing her life story:


    thefirstpost.co.uk, October 2009:

    American reporters itching to know what Sarah Palin will make out of her memoir, Going Rogue: An American Life, already a bestseller before its publication on November 17, got a hint of her earnings when a financial disclosure was filed yesterday. It showed the former Alaska governor was paid an upfront “retainer” of $1.25 m.

    The sum was revealed in a disclosure to the Alaska Public Offices Commission covering Palin’s earnings from January 1 until her sudden resignation on July 26. No further details of the so-called retainer are available and the Washington lawyer who brokered her deal with HarperCollins, Robert Barnett, has declined to comment.

    But based on normal publishing practice, it is likely the $1.25 m is just the first of three cheques, adding up to a total “advance” on royalties of $3.75 m: one third on signing the deal, one third on delivery (that was in August, after the period covered by the disclosure) and the final third on publication in mid-November.

    Mark (411533)

  309. JD

    I’m sorry that this article puts some doubt on your colorful assessment of my previous statement, hopefully with all these millions that she will fund her own campaign and not stress Republican donors who are facing large if not the largest tax increases in these critical times

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  310. She has made millions off of her speeches, book deals and TV appearances

    This is a far cry different than what you asserted previously, which I noted was a complete asspull.

    JD (3dc31c)

  311. You really are an imbecile, aren’t you? I could not care less how much money she makes. That was not the point of any of my comments.

    JD (3dc31c)

  312. JD

    no I dont think so that was an estimate for just the last 9 months, what I said was this:

    she’s worth in the tens of millions soon or now

    at this rate she could cross th 20 million mark in 2010 the 30 million mark by summer 2011

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  313. If you had actually read her book, you would know that along with the campaign and some of the backbiting is a small portion of her life. It begins at an Alaskan state fair where she receives
    the call from McCain, and flashes back to her past.
    and rather leisurely returns to the campaign

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  314. “the thrust of it can arguably be her daughters pregnancy.”

    The thrust of Sarah Palin’s life story is Brisyol’s pregnancy?

    That is the first time I have seen somebody advance that argument.

    Very, very, funny.

    You cannot be serious.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  315. Are you intentionally dense?! I stated, unequivocably, that I could not care less how much money she makes. That has nothing to do with the source of your asspull.

    JD (3dc31c)

  316. “Also no one has profited more from a teen pregnancy than Sarah”

    I was unaware Sarah had a teen pregnancy. Do you have any links?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  317. “I also noted the FACT that she has made millions off of her life story”

    EricPW – What did Obama make from those books he may or may not have written? Is there something wrong with politicians writing memoirs? A heckuva lot of them do it a Sarah had a ton of legal bills to pay from those bogus ethics investigations that her detractors instigated.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  318. EPWJ is joining Andrew Sullivan in Palin’s uterus.

    JD (3dc31c)

  319. A post not very original, I will make it anyway.

    First, as typical, a thread filled with troll slander gets diluted and good points are either lost or need to be repeated multiple times amidst the garbage in order to be seen.

    Patterico, I appreciate your admonission for us “to all just get along”, but it coming after 300 posts when maybe 250 have been utterly lacking in wisdom, truth, or good will does not strike me as “fair”. Of course, it is your site and you can remove my posts, etc.

    Too many nonsensical posts to keep track of for me to make specific references.
    1. Biology 101- It potentially takes only one episode of sex to result in pregnancy. Becoming pregnant has no predictive value in a specific instance in determining how sexually active a person has been, so the assumption that Palin was blind to an ongoing pattern of sexual activity has absolutely no merit, other than you prefer to deal in slander rather than what can be known to be true.
    2. Setting a curfew, enforcing a curfew, and assuming nothing bad can happen when a curfew is kept are at least 3 different things. If you really think a teenager can not get pregnant before 9:30 at night I don’t know what to say, except I suspect you are just trying to cause controversy.
    3. For anyone of any religious inclination in a Judeo-Christian tradition I remind you of a few things- first, God was not a bad parent even though his children went astray. Second, Job lost everything, including his children, but it was not because he was particularly sinful or irresponsible.
    4. There is the story of the pastor who said, “Once, I had 4 principles for parenthood and no children, now I have 4 children and no principles”. While that is a bit of hyperbole, it points out truth. It is easy to be a self-righteous donkey when one hasn’t had to deal with much themselves. Even having had 10 children, if one did, does not ensure that one has parented kids with inherently “challenging” temperments. Some kids are so obstinant that they refuse to cry when slapped in the delivery room. Some are so compliant they will go with the flow even if the suggestion is to dress up like a salmon and swim in front of a grizzly.
    5. Some kids seem to turn out great, but underneath they resent the control their parents exerted over them and it will yield bad fruit when they marry and try to raise their own kids.

    Concerning Johnston, it may not occur to you, but sometimes people try to make a situation work out for the best of others, not themselves. I think the Palins thought the best outcome of an unwed couple with a baby in their late teens is to make the relationship work, and they tried to make that happen once, and then were willing to let Bristol try to make it happen again. That’s what a loving family would do if not in the headlines, and that’s what they did in spite of being in the headlines.
    At this point, as I said about 250 posts previously, at this point they should realize that Johnston is well down the sociopathic spectrum of personality, able to lie without blinking (and without the remorse behind blinking). At this point I think they would do everyone a favor, including Johnston, by getting an experienced legal team and putting him in a legal “straight-jacket” as tight as possible, interfere with his attempts at profitting from the situation, limit his custody rights to as minimal and only with supervision as possible. Anybody willing to repeatedly pull dirty tricks on the mother of his child is not to be trusted with the child alone, until he has shown trustworthy behavior for oh, at least 3 years.

    220.the woman would immediately attract a lot less condescension if she would just say she has no designs on the presidency I think
    Comment by happyfeet — 8/8/2010 @ 10:16 am

    Absolutely. All any conservative needs to do in order to avoid bad press is to slink away into obscurity and promise not to make a public stand on any d*** thing in the future. If you’re not willing to bow your head and shut up, know you have a big target for all manner of trash, true or not. If anything, in one way Palin is as good as a candidate as anyone because the press has done all it can muster over the last several years, short of claiming she actually has green blood and is from Mars. The only way to avoid this is to write an autobiography telling your sordid past, made up or true, so there is nothing left for the press to accuse the candidate of. But then again, while that worked for a Dem, I have a feeling the press will make a constant play of it, instead of saying “so what, we knew that”.

    You can dislike Palin, you can think she is not a good candidate, but she is better qualified than Obama was and would have been better for the country than Obama has been, but then again that ain’t saying much.

    Eric Blair, Icy T, JD, daleyrocks and other posters who have contributed sane commentary, I’d be happy if you reposted a summary of your points every 50 comments or so, so I know where to look for worthwhile reading.

    MD in Philly (5a98ff)

  320. That is so sweet. Someone acknowledged that I am sane … !

    JD (3dc31c)

  321. Hey, how much money did Hillary make from her books?

    The nerve!

    daleyrocks (940075)

  322. MD in Philly

    Your comments are noted, I reject your oversimplification of the thrust of my comments –

    Your point Number 1 completely ignores the courtship process and escalation – In my experience in the DA’s office and in the Church this is usually not the case – that there are many sexual encounters not all of them resulting in full copulation – so in essence I hope as a competent MD you realize this and are just defending Palin

    Curfews are an important and critical tool in setting boundaries and enforcing discipline and consequences – parents who dont do these basic rudimentary tactics do put their children at risk –

    Unsupervised minors is considered by almost everyone to be poor parenting –

    I understand your post to not be medical advice – because it isnt – rather the defense of a woman who – left office – mishandled a routine family matter – who has limited experience in handling difficult situations

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  323. Hey, MD, you knew that would happen, right?

    Lots of stuff for Dmac to note for later. The list of accomplishments grows.

    I would normally say “ta-pocketa-pocketa-pocketa,” but I won’t.

    I work here is done” comes to mind, as well.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  324. EricPW – Are you a Mormon? Do you use spycams on your kids or corporal punishment? How do you supervise them when they are at school? Is it easier to ensure puritanical discipline in a country such as Saudi Arabia?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  325. Eric B

    So are you hypothesing what?

    And What “list” are you refering too?

    Please elaborate?

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  326. Eric B – I am impressed that Bristol’s pregnancy has now moved from being arguably the thrust of Sarah’s life story to being a routine family matter.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  327. Daley, just keep repeating the question, over and over again. Troll the troll.

    I’m with Horace on this one:

    “…Aegri somnia vana…”

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  328. Daley

    My kids receive all levels of supervision and generally if rarely do they do anything to warrant punishment of any kind.

    I think most of you would like them very much, they are kind generous loving children who have given much to the community.

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  329. EB, I never even see EPWJ’s comments anymore, due to a script at a link Stashiu3 showed me, else he’d have my blood boiling with all his dishonesty and suchlike. The only time I see EPWJ’s comments is when someone else quotes him (alas, the script doesn’t catch those). I have a small handful of others on the capture list, and another who has come dangerously close to being on the list, but the vast majority of comments I still see.

    It’s a whole lot easier to ignore a troll when you see he commented but don’t see his comment.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  330. Eric

    I was just asking about your latest assertion – you have made many statements but posted no facts that I can recall – I wish you would be more specific

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  331. John

    Please elaborate

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  332. JH,

    Can you hack into the PP site and install the filter so we can all benefit?

    EPWJ, you are very dishonest, very delusional, or both. The only reason to comment further is as a public service in the event someone appears to take you seriously. I hope your youngest daughter escapes the bad karma you’re piling up.

    MD in Philly (5a98ff)

  333. MD,

    I would like to see some medical evidence of 1st time sexual encounters leading to pregnancy as well as any studies to back up the assertions you made

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  334. Mr. Hitchcock, always nice to hear from you.

    The person to whom you refer is just a troll. He is trying to upset and irritate people. I find him amusing as time goes on, since he tends to make up many things, and gets angry when called on it. And when he gets angry, his spelling and grammar get, um, unusual. He then goes all bold faced and repetitious and kind of creepy.

    Since his very goal is to irritate through disagreement, the fact that he gets irritated by disagreement is ironic.

    When he insults me, it doesn’t matter. He is just a troll. And while not everyone here thinks I am a swell fellow, this guy gets a lot of drubbing for his trollery from a wide variety of commenters. His only hope is to engage new posters, but then those folks learn quickly what is going on.

    It’s a race between finding him pathetic and unintentionally funny, when I read his increasingly disordered posts.

    So the real question is: why does he keep posting? I have had lots of good discussions with people here, and when I get irritable with people, I have other friends here who counsel me to calm down. There is a great deal of value to this blog, on all kinds of levels (in discussion with nk on another thread, I finally got a great answer to a question about the Greek language).

    Eventually trolls go away.

    I hope you are doing well.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  335. I am not a doctor, Eric, but as a lawyer I have represented parents in custody, support and adoption, over children who resulted from one night stands.

    nk (db4a41)

  336. MD, are you sure this joker has any children? I’m not. I really appreciate that you try to answer him honestly, but c’mon: that’s not what he is looking for. At the lake house, just back from a European vacation, having worked in the DA’s office, and being someone important in a Church.

    I hope he does have children, despite the silly stories. Because a person who would lie about anything like that would be positively mental.

    Still, it is fun to watch him argue with an MD about medical issues, isn’t it?

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  337. I mean, right after his “arguments from authority,” I mean.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  338. nk

    between minors? Apparently they had dated for awhile

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  339. Welcome to the party, nk. This guy needs a clown nose.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  340. Now EPWJ wants to revisit 7th grade sex education class.

    Great.

    What a troll.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  341. He is getting more and more amusing. Clown nose and all. Yesterday, arguments from authority. Today, he knows it all.

    Like Ace says, he splits atoms. With his mind.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  342. “I have represented parents in custody, support and adoption, over children who resulted from one night stands.”

    nk – I have friends who adopted the issue of their college age daughter’s adventuring a couple of years back.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  343. Eric B

    Overseas employees of most firms get a RR allowance and Europe is a choice destination – mainly due to a few factors, for me, no jet lag, cooler weather, the fact that most speak english, have western culture (sometimes its real real nice to get away) and western food and especially clothes, books, music.

    Its really the equivalent of taking a caribbean vacation if you live in America.

    When we were sent there over 5 years ago it was supposed to be for just a couple of years and now its dragged on and on so long that my youngest my actually graduate from the expat school.

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  344. No doubt your youngest is playing soccer at the Embassy (I know you won’t get the reference, but other regulars will). All this sounds so familiar. And it does not matter: just a troll. Clown nose and all.

    You are funny.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  345. MD in Philly, here’s the link to the filter.

    http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/37488

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  346. Eric Blair-

    As I said above, he is either delusion, dishonest, or both. I would like him to try to explain why a first time sexual encounter could not result in pregnancy. I would think that anyone who had fathered children would not have to have such things explained to him.

    FWIW, he accuses me of over-simplification then ignores most of what I say. But you’re right, I didn’t write it primarily for him.

    MD in Philly (5a98ff)

  347. Again, Eric, I am not a doctor, but my wife and I had a planned pregnancy and I can tell you the exact day and hour conception occurred. We did not roll the dice but people who do hit the exact time ideal for conception sometimes.

    nk (db4a41)

  348. Statistically, by the just the odds you would think he would get something right, this does raise another misconception that was not addressed during
    the campaign, because the McCain campaign were the bumblers that feets does call them, she wasn’t for
    abstinence, she’s a feminist for life, which does
    support birth control, and her daughter’s school didn’t have an abstinence curriculum

    ian cormac (e4f5e5)

  349. Actually, MD, the goal is to get you to spend your time answering his questions. Just say “honk honk” in honor of his clown nose and move on.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  350. MD

    You made some statements – its interesting that the facts supporting them are still not coming

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  351. Breitbart will be indicted any day now.
    Scozzafava is the candidate for true conservatives.
    O’Keefe jeopardized national security in NOLA.
    Breitbart edited the ACORN tapes.
    Breitbart grossly edited Sherrod tape.
    You cannot get pregnant the first time.
    Palin made tens of millions of dollars off her teenage daughter’s pregnancy.
    Dustin is a Democrat.
    JD is a Democrat (filthy liar)
    The list is far more extensive.

    JD (3dc31c)

  352. Eric,

    We’re going back to the coin toss from Patterico’s DNA post. Each sexual encounter is an independent event. In some, the woman will not have an egg ready to be fertilized. In others, she will. That one time is all it takes and all others that happened or did not happen are irrelevant.

    nk (db4a41)

  353. We need to give the “No Personal Attacks” policy another go-round – a week-long trial run, or something. These threads are becoming a waste of bandwidth.

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  354. JD, you forgot about his pronouncements about the border crossing shooting that did not match the video.

    MD in Philly, I suspect he’s been arguing this very thing with the seventh grade gym coach … probably within weeks.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  355. JD

    Is Hoffman running?
    Okeefe has how many years probation? What did the Judge say?
    Please point out where I made that statement
    the facts are that Dustin is on record critcising the top conservatives in Texas while praising Bill White, Chris Bell, ronnie Earl all horrible people

    I have seen nothing from you that precludes me to believe that you are not a democrat

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  356. Do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?

    JD (3dc31c)

  357. Lev

    I’m for it

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  358. I think a no personal attack policy misses the mark, but it ain’t my blog. How about not overtly lying?

    JD (3dc31c)

  359. That is just krazy talk.

    JD (3dc31c)

  360. Hey Eric, ask it if it ever met Von Braun in his dorm room, while wearing only his underwear.

    Still waiting for it to pay off the bet it lost after O’Keefe wasn’t frog – marched to his doom. What a fabulist – and welcher.

    And how can we forget Harpy, who claimed that he made millions in his import/export business, paid more taxes than he owed, and owned a ginormous mansion with a yard approximating over 100 acres? Oh yeah, and a river out in back…somewhere. He also lived near Indy, and took lots of vacations overseas, as I recall.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  361. Let there be absolutely no doubt that EPWJ has, with complete knowledge, told lies about me.

    Anyone can read complete and 100% proof that EPWJ repeatedly slurred me because I pointed out the fact that he is a moby.

    BTW, I happen to like some democrats and criticize some Republicans. His repeated ‘gotchas’ of me, in various threads, is nothing I’m ashamed of. EPWJ’s a moby and we all know it. He’s taken his attacks on me to threads I’m not even reading… that’s even more pathetic than he was before.

    If I cared enough to stalk EPWJ like he has done me, I could post at least four examples of him provably lying. Please read him for amusement and nothing else.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  362. Point and laugh. Mock and scorn.

    Top Shot is a really fascinating show.

    JD (3dc31c)

  363. JD, ugh, I hate Top Shot. And that’s despite the fact that I’ve shot with at least two of the original competitors.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  364. What is bad about it? A couple of the shooters are complete douchebags, but the weapons are cool, and the skill is pretty amazing.

    JD (3dc31c)

  365. History Channel hams it up too much, but I still watch some of their shooting shows. It’s pretty entertaining too see absolutely ridiculous skill with shooting.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  366. JD, the shooting is good but the whole “Survivor” derived fake drama crap pisses me off. And the host … I’m thinking of applying for season 2 so I can put a 9mm in the hosts’ ankle at the nomination range.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  367. Oh, no doubt, SPQR. But the shooting is freaking amazing. The competition tonight was really impressive. Freakishly so.

    JD (3dc31c)

  368. Away from the trolling, a response to my comment by Icy Texan
    (K)Abandoned her? From what I know, that’s hardly true. Gone slutting around Los Angeles does not qualify as abandonment.
    –(IT) Nah. Not being around to help raise your infant son, or to emotionally support the 18-19 year old first-time mother of your infant son? You’re right. No abandonment there.

    Actually, the available public information points to the exact opposite. And the full facts are known only to the Palins, Johnstons and their lawyers–and probably ought to remain there.
    (K)As for the sham marriage proposal–I’d like to know what grounds Ace has to say that. Best as I can tell, the only person who would know whether it is sham or not is Levi himself.
    –(IT) Reasonable conclusion based on available circumstantial evidence, counselor.

    The available circumstantial evidence actually points to Levi trying to, as I said before, have his cake and eat it too–married on friendly terms (or at least not-hostile) terms with the Palins and at the same time slutting around LA when he wants to. Exactly the sort of thing an immature man too dazzled by the high life would be expected to try. Whereas planning sham proposals and all suggests an individual capable of thinking much better than Levi seems capable of at this point.
    (K)I rather hope Bristol got rid of him on her own, with as little input as possible from her parents
    –(IT) Is this YOUR conspiracy theory? that perhaps they ordered her to get rid of him? For what reason? to save face, publicly and politically? If you listen to EPWJ, it’s far too late for that.

    No conspiracy theory, and I’m scrolling right by EPWJ’s comments, and once I see they are simply replies to him, the comments responding to him. I don’t think the Palins ordered Bristol to get rid of him–although a good deal of parental persuasion might have been used, which is totally different. What is also possible is that Bristol decided on her own that he was a jerk and needed to be given the boot. If so, she demonstrated a good deal of maturity and independent judgment, exactly the sort of thing she’ll need as a single mom (no matter how much her parents stand ready to help her)–and which, therefore, is what I hope happened.

    kishnevi (07cf78)

  369. No conspiracy theory, and I’m scrolling right by EPWJ’s comments, and once I see they are simply replies to him, the comments responding to him

    Can’t blame you there.

    I just want to make sure people who aren’t aware, do realize that EPWJ isn’t just odd or clueless. He really is out to lie.

    Anyway, I think Levi’s probably got some help. Whoever put together that deal with US Magazine and various other deals is probably making a hell of a lot of money. Levi has some kind of legal and publicist help. And they are not doing a very good job of looking out for Levi’s long term interest. Only the most hardened lefty won’t remember him as the lowest sort of person (even they don’t like him, though).

    He’s an idiot, but you’re right, just making sweet promises to a nice girl while breaking them when she’s not around is hardly beyond Levi. I just see something much more than that here.

    Bristol almost married a terrible person. Some will hold this against Sarah. I don’t because I know that parenting and family is not a perfect science. Certainly, Biden’s kids are far more faulty IMO, not that I hold this against Joe, either.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  370. It’s REx and Tank, the lawyers for his mother’s drug case, who are known adversaries of Palin, They were planning to tar Bristol, with some of the same language that feets directs against her mother. I could link the whole sordid speculation
    if need be. They were the ones that put him up to the insinuations on Tyra, the lies in GQ and Vanity Fair, the last under his own name, but likely authored by those two.

    seeing he was back to Alaska sometime back with
    Kathie Griffin, some of the other anklebiters that
    helped concoct this stream of ethics complaints
    may have been involved. Including a particularly
    noxious character I won’t name

    Bristol is not political, is a touch naive, considering everything her family has been out through. By all indication, she really wanted it ot work,

    ian cormac (ab2f02)

  371. 349.MD
    You made some statements – its interesting that the facts supporting them are still not coming

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 8/8/2010 @ 6:19 pm

    nk already gave all of the necesarry data, with support from daleyrocks. nk even explained the irrelevance of prior probability once the event has occurred. Any more and you might as well be asking me to give evidence that the sky looks blue.

    If any 3 people who are not sock-puppets want a discussion of the possibility of pregnancy from one episode I will lead a thinking out loud discussion of it.

    As I posted up at 318 and previously, I think Johnston is out on the “psychopath” edge of behavior, able to lie and deceive because he has little or no functional conscience. For his own good, as well as for the child and the Palin family, he should have his efforts to make money off of his contact with them blocked as much as possible, along with minimal contact with the child, and none unsupervised. “Fencing him in” as much as possible will be the best opportunity to thwart his current path to destruction, IMHO.

    MD in Philly (5a98ff)

  372. Bristol is not political, is a touch naive, considering everything her family has been out through. By all indication, she really wanted it ot work,

    Comment by ian cormac — 8/8/2010 @ 8:53 pm

    I get caught up in politics as much as anybody here does, so I was quite annoyed that Bristol tried to work things out with Levi. But I can imagine how awful this has been for her, not to mention her family who probably tried to talk sense while walking on the eggshells the press keeps throwing into their lives. It’s a very sad story and I don’t understand those who are laughing like hyenas about it. It’s funny when some villain gets their just desserts… this isn’t one of those cases at all.

    Without a doubt, the people who decided to destroy the Alaskan government so they could repeatedly pretend another ethics charge up were completely without scruples. Sarah sent a lot of crooks to prison, but there are always a few more. the only reason I can believe someone would think a stunt like this wouldn’t backfire entirely is that some people really are laughing and mocking the Palin family for this attack on Bristol.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  373. There are some vicious and ignorant people, out there, Dustin, some of them who post on this blog.
    Sarah was very prescient when it comes to a lot of people, she gave Levi a change for redemption or a chance to hang himself, he brought his own rope.

    Good god the nasty picachu/penguin exhibits Fagan syndrome which is more toxic than Ebola or the T-4
    syndrome

    ian cormac (ab2f02)

  374. she’s just so not who she thinks she is

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  375. Beeltlejuice, Beetlejuice. You know I have a certain expectations even transplanted ones in California, then again you’re in a blue hell, and in a slightly more mauve one

    ian cormac (ab2f02)

  376. You know, feets….neither are you…..

    reff (176333)

  377. Levi whats-his-name said that he ….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    And then Sarah Palin zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    And Barak Obama zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Californio (6c4897)

  378. 287. Nicely done, Icy Texan.
    Comment by Eric Blair — 8/8/2010 @ 2:16 pm

    — Thank you, sir.

    Icy Texan (6b0560)

  379. Btw, girls, if you want to know why you need to make sure you don’t get preggers when you don’t want to, this is it. I mean from my understanding, he is a hottie, but look what he is putting this poor woman through.

    As for the persecution of Palin, I think the most clearly ridiculous thing was troopergate. For the five of you who don’t know, there was a trooper who was the ex-husband of Palin’s blood sister. He was accused of a bunch of highly questionable things that reflected badly suitability for his job, and it was alleged that Palin tried to get him fired as revenge for some wrong doing.

    Of course among Palin’s accusations is that she and two other witnesses (who collaborated her account), said she personally heard him say to her sister that if she got a lawyer he would kill Palin’s father, I guess because the trooper thought her father would be behind it or something.

    My take on this has always been almost like filing a demurrer or motion to dismiss: even if true, I don’t see an ethical problem here. I mean you try threatening to murder your boss’s father and see how long you keep your job. Equally ridiculous are the people who said that we shouldn’t credit Palin’s claims of this death threat. Now if we were on a jury deciding whether he has committed a crime, maybe Palin’s claims won’t stand up. But Palin is entitled to believe herself.

    But somehow this was not only wrong, but scandalously so. which goes to show you that some people are just nuts in all of this.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  380. I think that my biggest problem with Sarah Palin is her inability to control the message.

    A.W. mentioned troopergate. The Clintons had a much worse troopergate. Hillary quashed it in a manner that would have made Stalin proud.

    To some degree, we can blame a liberal, pro-Democrat media. But the battleground is still public opinion and you have to adjust your strategy and tactics to win. Sarah Palin has not done that.

    nk (db4a41)

  381. nk

    i don’t know how you could expect her to control the message. and i think considering the hostility she has faced, i think she has played the media masterfully. a few facebook postings have changed the subject in our political debate.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  382. The media deliberately misrepresented the situation, they followed the lead of the Anklebiters in Alaska, along with some of
    those republicans she had rebuffed earlier,
    the report exonerating her, dropped in the
    hours before election day. the State trooper
    involved was still tormenting the family as of
    last spring, he had Piper brought in for questioning
    as a witness, to an accident that happened when
    she was staying at his exwife’s home

    ian cormac (ab2f02)

  383. ian

    i’ll tell the truth. i don’t believe for one moment she didn’t try to get him fired.

    but equally i don’t believe its an ethics violation if she did. you threaten to murder a person’s father and that person becomes your boss, yeah, you are toast and rightfully so–even if your job doesn’t require you to carry a gun.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  384. AW, nk still is right that Palin’s inability to control this mess around her, while not her fault, is her biggest problem.

    I also agree with you that there’s nothing wrong with firing someone like that trooper. It’s yet another example of this problem. Palin is toxic to beltway Republicans, corrupt democrats, and a huge operation that is wealthy and powerful, even if it is hardly unified.

    It’s possible, in the internet age, to overcome their constant attempts to slur her as trash, stupid, tabloid, evil, etc, but it’s still very hard to do.

    Does Happyfeet think the Obama or Clinton families are free of this nastiness? It’s hard to say. But this isn’t about what’s fair.

    But the battleground is still public opinion and you have to adjust your strategy and tactics to win. Sarah Palin has not done that.

    What tactical adjustment should Palin make? Should she focus on policy, in detail, making specific and intelligent criticisms of various policies? Should she help the GOP raise funds and endorse candidates in tough battles?

    Seems like Palin has made an obvious strategy choice to be so strong in her criticisms of Obama policy that at least some of the attention on her is based on things that actually matter. It’s chipped a major crack in the smear machine, and I think that’s why her poll numbers have turned around to great extent.

    But she hasn’t been as effective as she needs to be. The only defense I have for her is that I don’t see how she possibly could overcome some of this crap. $100,000 payoffs to the scumbag charming her naive daughter (who shares a child with him)? Short of a hitman, how does she fix that?

    This nastiness has had two effects. Some people can’t resist joining in the smear, like a Jerry Springer audience. And some people are resolved to make this a culture war batter they win. The latter are going to make Palin the 2012 nominee, I expect. Some say that guarantees Obama’s second term, but I think that’s not necessarily the case. She’s not my preference… but I think we can deal.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  385. I’m sorry, but I don’t see her as a pitbull. I see her as coasting on charm and beauty. Whether it’s all she cares to do or whether it’s all she can do, it comes out the same.

    nk (db4a41)

  386. Yes, and you think the Mashaal and the Netanyahu regime are the same, which indicates a certain lack of discernment

    ian cormac (ab2f02)

  387. Dustin

    > AW, nk still is right that Palin’s inability to control this mess around her, while not her fault, is her biggest problem.

    Well, you are right. In a non fault sort of way, it harms her. I also think one of her greatest assets is he way she is being persecuted in the media. There are some people who will push back against that, just to show the bastards, they can’t be so easily manipulated. I always said her Veep acceptance speech was effective precisely because it was recognizable as a mamma bear going after someone who had harmed her cub. It was one of the few times someone was able to draw blood when fighting obama.

    I think she was like a perfect storm of things the dems hate. She was a real feminist. She was a sexy conservative woman (which drives liberals crazy as hell). She had solid family values cred having that kid. And she was down-to-earth, which after bush is considered the worst sin you could imagine. She shot animals in Alaska. And big one, every criticism you could make of her you could make of Obama, circa 2008 only more so.

    Like OMG she isn’t experienced enough to be president! Except if she isn’t, Obama really isn’t.

    The American thinker had a great piece called “The Wilding of Sarah Palin.” I think that is the most apt phrase you can use. I have never seen the media go so completely insane over a figure for so little cause.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  388. AW, you’re describing the heart of many Palin supporters, and it’s simply going to be very, very tough for any GOP contenders to overcome her in her 2012 primary campaign (surprisingly, some people think she’s not running… I think it’s quite obvious).

    That intensity and support and volunteerism from bona fide conservatives is going to lead to some very strong results in a packed early primary. I’m Texan… I almost don’t have to decide who the nominee should be because I don’t get a real vote in the matter.

    Palin’s an actual reformer. She also isn’t perfect. nk points out that she chooses to benefit from physical looks (I don’t have a huge problem with it, but it’s true). All that aside, can she beat Obama? I think she really can. I also think such a victory would be a major change in the culture war, and a major repudiation of some attacks on Palin’s life that aren’t nearly as toxic as some claim (and really are proxy attacks on traditional middle class conservatives).

    I am not trying to shill for her, but I think she could be a strong president, and I think she could win. Is the the strongest candidate? Absolutely not. Of course, I don’t necessarily want the strongest candidate.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  389. Dustin

    You maybe correct on all your points

    However

    1. She’s raking in 7 large a month

    2. Her popularity has a ceiling

    3. Her mishandling of a routine family matter

    4. Her inability to handle contentious interviews

    No presidential candidate has gone around deliberately enriching themselves like she has that I can recall

    How many tens of millions is it going to take to get the perfume and gunpowder out of her adoring defenders reasoning nuerons?

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  390. I agree that handling the negative publicity, as well as generating positive publicity, is a problem and makes her being a candidate problematic.

    But remember, she won in Alaska against the entrenched Republican establishment as well as the Dems, negotiated improved contracts for Alaskans with “Big Oil”, and had an over 80% job approval in Alaska prior to the piranha press attack. She could be old and ugly and still be a great candidate, maybe better because people could not write her off for being pretty (interesting how far you’ve actually come, “baby”, after all the years of “feminism”).

    In fact, to get an 80% approval rating by the public probably requires having made enemies of many power bosses who are used to having things their way.

    Short of a miracle, I promise you, any conservative, reform-minded candidate, no matter how smart, how good a track record, whether young and vibrant or old and crotchety, will look incompetent to be dog catcher in a village of two with no dogs if you go by the MSM story.

    Again, I promise you that, so you better get used to the idea of having a candidate forced to deal with negative press, warranted or not.

    Is there anyone among us who could withstand an all out blitz to make us look bad by putting the most negative slant possible on everything we’ve ever done? You could make Mother Theresa look like the greatest hypocritical jerk on the planet if you wanted to, and didn’t need to worry about the truth.

    MD in Philly (5a98ff)

  391. Is there anyone among us who could withstand an all out blitz to make us look bad by putting the most negative slant possible on everything we’ve ever done?*
    Comment by MD in Philly — 8/9/2010 @ 9:46 am

    *Other than EPWJ, of course

    MD in Philly (5a98ff)

  392. No presidential candidate has gone around deliberately enriching themselves like she has that I can recall

    Barack Hussein Obama

    JD (5375e6)

  393. MD in Philly

    Bridge to nowhere…..

    Increased school spending…..

    Increased corporate Taxes……

    MSM or not somethings warrant a closer look

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  394. Supports gay marriage, supports path to legal immigration

    oh well,

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  395. EPWJ is a proven liar and a concern troll. He’ll say things to act like a conservative in order to pose as one while trashing conservatives.

    Your ‘howevers’ are, of course, asinine and most of them you simply made up, as usual. I’ve proven you’re a liar, end of discussion on every point you make.

    MD, you’re right. This attack blitz on Palin is going to be mirrored on any reform minded conservative. As bad as it has on Palin? Probably not, strictly because of the years Palin’s going to have been under assault.

    but Chris Christie or Paul Ryan (both of whom I prefer to Palin) or other strong possibilities like Jindal… they will face a similar assault. People like Andi Sullivan and EPWJ will make up trutherism lies and be ‘concerned’. Magazines will pay 6 figures to anyone willing to lie up a good nasty scandal.

    Does that mean we should support Palin? No. but it does mean we need to find someone who can weather this storm.

    One thing EPWJ said was that Palin’s popularity has a ceiling. Of course, that ceiling is apparently higher than needed to win a general election against Obama, as at least a couple of polls have demonstrated.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  396. JD

    Yeah, Palins outdoing that creep isnt she – says alot for her ethics and desire, that she can outdo a unethical, unamerican scumbag like Obama and grab even more cash than he ever dreamed of

    Time to turn the channel JD, she’s not worthy of you

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  397. What has she done that is unethical? Be very specific.

    While you are at it, maybe you could tell me what my position is on Palin, since you seem to claim to know.

    JD (5375e6)

  398. You are a f@cking imbecile, EPWJ. That is all.

    JD (5375e6)

  399. I love this concern troll from EPWJ. Palin is trying to make money, something I am sure none of us would ever dare to do, and that “says a lot for her ethics”.

    No, it simply doesn’t. And now EPWJ is saying ‘unethical, unamerican scumbag’. Of course, he’s pretending to be a frothing right winger who thinks that about Obama, but somehow he has implicated Palin with this unjustifiable slur.

    Concern troll 101.

    Palin is the mother of a war vet, she’s clearly very patriotic in various other ways. She’s been vetted by so many ethics suits and she’s clearly one of the most ethical politicians at her level. In fact, even her private email was hacked into for all to see. There are many good complaints one could make of Palin, but she’s proven to be ethical.

    That’s what concern trolls hate the most… they have to start making up this slime about Palin’s corruption because they know that’s the case against Obama.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  400. Dustin

    Item 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

    The Pic of the campaign for the bridge

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  401. Dustin – Yesterday she made tens of millions of dollars off of her daughter’s teenage pregnancy. Today she is unethically engaging in commerce. As you note, it is a pathological liar.

    JD (5375e6)

  402. Yep, JD. Damn straight.

    He never seems to keep his lies straight, which if he were a little more intelligent in his comments, I would think was deliberate (to force attention on himself).

    I think he’s just lonely. He’s so amusing. He got so embarrassed in June that he said he was gone for the summer. A few days ago he was so embarrassed about his mobying that he promised never to reply to me. he was so shamed of his attacks on Breitbart that he promised to give hundreds to Breitbart’s legal defense fund.

    What’s sad about him is that he shows such a consistent consciousness of guilt.

    Say what you will about the Leviticus and Aphraels, or even the less enjoyable
    Hootens, but they aren’t ashamed of their views or liberalism. I don’t feel like I’m examining a pathetic specimen when I read their comments.

    And Palin really brings out the worst. That’s not really a point in her favor, but it will help her in the primary.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  403. See, Dustin. It wants to argue about tangential points that only it cares about. And to call others Democrats. It’s basic style is to make a ridiculous fantastic statement, get called out on same, and then try to divert and distract onto some way smaller point that has nothing to do with the idiocy it originally introduced. It is SOP for the trolls, but this one starts off with some real whoppers, as opposed to the standard leftist talking points that we usually see spit out.

    JD (5375e6)

  404. Are you guys still talking with this clown of a troll? Honestly? This is just DCSCA-lite, with inferior language skills and a less sunny disposition. Which makes many people wonder about, um, the veracity of all the personal statements. I don’t believe a word this character says, about pretty much anything.

    Seriously, the dude is a very noncreative troll. Not even an interesting one.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  405. No, Eric, he’s not interesting. I meant to just post the link proving EPWJ is a liar and ignore him.

    but this is a Palin thread at 405 comments… there’s only so much fruit it’s going to bear at this point anyway.

    There’s no upside to replying to EPWJ, except I do want to keep pointing to the link that destroys his credibility.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  406. And, though threads change with time, it’s important to remember the original topic: what a bad person Levi J. is toward the Palins. And his child. It’s funny how it transmogrified into other things.

    Apart from troll bait.

    I still hold with my original point. It is possible to really, really dislike the idea of Sarah Palin running for office, and also maintain that this whole Levi slow motion car crash is a tragedy. Alinsky always urged his people to make everything personal and polarized, to defeat an opponent. Hmmm.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  407. So will Sarah exploit her soap opera life story maybe candidacy until which comes first”

    Iowa or 35 million

    Then all we can hear are the screams of a bunch of broke tea party remnants slowly gazing at their navel and surveying their depleted pocketbooks while clutching a palin freedom blanket

    (29.95 at Dollar General)

    EricPWJohnson (c318ac)

  408. I don’t blame you Dustin. Just saying “honk honk” when he posts is accurate and funny, but I actually doubt many of his stories. And he does go on and on.

    I sincerely hope that his stories about his daughters are accurate. Because, again, only a real bit of toilet film would make things up like that.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  409. Why does EPWJ despise commerce and free enterprise?

    JD (5375e6)

  410. Which reminds me: honk, honk, moby.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  411. JD, you give Melville too much credit.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  412. It is SOP for the trolls, but this one starts off with some real whoppers, as opposed to the standard leftist talking points that we usually see spit out.

    Comment by JD

    That’s exactly how I see it. I almost feel that ignoring it is giving EPWJ too much credit. Who cares if people notice this infestation?

    The best explanation for why he’s posting the nastiest fantasies, even though they ruin his reputation instantly, is that he needs attention more than effectiveness.

    He probably tried really hard to get attention in some other way, and it just didn’t work. EPWJ: take some classes, join a church, get a job. That’s a good way to make friends and be happier.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  413. I don’t doubt that there are flesh and blood characters like EPWH out there, one is a former transplanted Georgia union official who used to post at Red State, another is this Fagan character.

    THey are usually allied with Murkowski who represents the worse form of chronyism in the party, it’s the insurgents vs. the establishment
    what another friend of mine, calls ‘the Clean Toga’ republicans

    ian cormac (ab2f02)

  414. I sincerely hope that his stories about his daughters are accurate. Because, again, only a real bit of toilet film would make things up like that.

    Comment by Eric Blair

    I’m glad I don’t know what you’re talking about. No doubt, some sob story meant to get attention and built moral authority, which he used to attack a conservative.

    Of course he lied. I’d bet him, but of course, he wouldn’t pay when he lost. :)

    You know, it’s funny to wonder which actual known figure most resembles a troll. imdw, for example, was a hardened and mean leftist who wanted to do some damage. Rahm-like.

    EPWJ is very much like Levi Johnston, switching allegiances instantly, and stupid enough to think that would convince people… shaming himself with lies and then lying again. And just kinda f—ed up as a person.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  415. Why, Dustin! Don’t you believe the Walter Mitty style stories? The lake house, the famous children, the DA’s office job, the European vacations? That is what I like about trolls: the more they carry on, the more they reveal about themselves.

    And why they post.

    Anyway, for good or for ill, Sarah Palin is now a polarizing figure. Could she have handled things better? Sure. On the other hand, the media gave a complete pass to the current occupant of the Oval Office, so I am not terribly outraged at what she has done or said in terms of politics.

    Do I want a candidate who can win in 2012? You bet. But it will be tough, because the Left will hammer at that person, and many elements of the Right will join right along. I’m hoping that 2012 (and 2010) work out for the center-right anyway.

    Despite how the Right shoots itself in the foot so often.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  416. THey are usually allied with Murkowski who represents the worse form of chronyism in the party, it’s the insurgents vs. the establishment
    what another friend of mine, calls ‘the Clean Toga’ republicans

    Comment by ian cormac

    The worst cronies, you are right. They were smart enough to insulate themselves in the party of limited government, leveraging desperation against encroaching democrats to their favor.

    The reason Palin and the Murkowski criminals hate eachother is a strong point in Palin’s favor. A reformer who breaks party lines makes the entire crony system fall apart.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  417. Anyway, for good or for ill, Sarah Palin is now a polarizing figure.

    No doubt. And I’m tired of a bitterly polarized nation. Palin cannot unify us. Of course, who could? Our nation wants lower taxes and richer benefits. Unity is probably not in our future.

    And of course, even abandoning unity doesn’t mean we can ignore the fact that many voters who would support someone exactly like Palin, but for these smears, won’t support Palin thanks to these smears. Election viability is a critical issue.

    I think Palin can overcome this, and I figure she’s going to be the nominee regardless. I’ve been to a lot of Tea Parties and her supporters are simply the younger, more passionate, and more numerous ones I’ve seen. Just my gut, but I think they will easily win. As I said before, I’m Texan and rarely get a say in this stuff.

    And this isn’t such a dire condition. Palin supporters like her because she’s credible on reform, among other reasons. We really could do so much worse (and recently have).

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  418. Eric, if I had seen the obvious lies in 152, I wouldn’t have bothered to link his lies from another thread (Where I decided not to link his lies in yet another thread).

    At this point, I’m just giving him more attention. Honk, honk, though.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  419. The local newsblurb on Rush’s show has the sparkling
    insight ‘the Tea Party will be big in Florida” they
    pay people for this kind of insight. We have a four ring circus down here with Christ, and Rubio, and Meek or Green,

    ian cormac (ab2f02)

  420. what if you met Sarah Palin and all she did was stare at your junk the whole time

    that would be so awkward

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  421. Nuthin’ but class from Mr. Happy.

    Icy Texan (6090ec)

  422. EPWJ is aghast — aghast, I tells ya! — at Sarah Palin’s efforts to earn lots of money. Why, it’s almost as if she were gathering together something called a “war chest” (I think that’s the term he used . . . coined it himself, he did).

    Icy Texan (6090ec)

  423. Wow. Just wow. Well, at least I no longer have to see that comment at #422, or any other comments from that commenter.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  424. I’m just saying it would be awkward is all… same deal with Romney

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  425. hello Mitt I’m up here

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  426. But see, John, it’s okay if you think you are cute and quirky.

    This fellow is just making himself look bad.

    Just remember: folks like you and me are the ones with the problem. Um.

    Honk honk, I’m starting to believe.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  427. y’all are like those guys in the muppet balcony a little

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  428. Sigh. Why are you trying to be irritating? All you are doing is daring people to make a list of what caricatures you are acting like at present. That’s troll territory, and most people say you are better than that.

    Like I wrote before, you will have lots of opportunities to be offensive in future threads. Why not pace yourself?

    Except you can’t seem to help yourself. I don’t get it.

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  429. No, you and EPWJ are more like Waldorf and Stadler

    ian cormac (ab2f02)

  430. Yeah, EB, he has a visceral hatred for Palin, a visceral hatred for Schlafly, a visceral hatred for Dr Dobson and Focus on the Family, a visceral hatred for traditional Christian values and traditional Jewish values (which are one and the same) and a very foul mouth. Nothing cute or funny about it, especially since I hold traditional Christian values.

    Oh, by the way, Palin/Bachmann 2012!

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  431. Los Angeles Jews were more opposed to Prop 8 than any other religious group or ethnic group in the city. Jewish Angelinos voted 78% against the measure while only 8% supported the measure; the remainder declined to respond*

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  432. What if you went to a school conference with Kevin Jennings and he grabbed your junk and tried to heve butt sechs with your kid?

    That would be so awkward

    daleyrocks (940075)

  433. Why, daley, you are so quirky and such a free spirit! OUTLAW!

    Eric Blair (d70178)

  434. that would be alarming

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  435. am I right?

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  436. EricPW @392 – Another content and context free comment.

    Bridge to nowhere – The Bridge to Nowhere was a non-issue for Palin. We debated it on this blog. Even her detractors dropped it when they saw the facts made it a non-issue. Funny you should try to resurrect it. Try the rape kit issue.

    Increased school spending – Is all increased school spending bad? Was Alaskan school spending high or low on a relative basis before the fiscal 2007 you dumped in via link at #407? You don’t say or explain. How are we to evaluate this Palin criticism?

    Increased corporate Taxes – Did Palin increase corporate tax rates for non-petroleum companies or did corporate tax collections increase under Palin? You don’t say. It would help if you explained your point. We know she got more out of Alaska oil companies. The link you provided in #403 is to individual taxes, which remain the lowest of the 50 states, rather than corporate taxes.

    Seriously, if you are going to drop turds, have the decency to explain them.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  437. “am I right?”

    Sorry, I was thinking about Sarah Palin staring at my junk for some reason. Don’t know why.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  438. brb

    daleyrocks (940075)

  439. no hurry me and Mr. Blair can just chitchat for a bit

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  440. Ah, back with tasty cold beverage. Thought of a vapid slurk like Palin who obviously can’t get enough penis, just look at all those kids, staring at my junk, was strangely exciting.

    Problem solved.

    Thanks for your concern Mr. Feets.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  441. For those on this thread whose comments I can no longer see, I have one thing to say to you:

    MENE, MENE, TEKEL, PARSIN

    That is all.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  442. anyone speak parseltongue?

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  443. Comment by daleyrocks — 8/9/2010 @ 3:48 pm

    Thanks for taking your turn at playing the Big Billy Goat Gruff and whacking the troll.

    MD in Philly (5a98ff)

  444. Ot, the last “Rookie Blue’ episode was kind of dissapointing, even factoring Missy Peregrym into it, and the blonde, Dark Blue likes it going to be
    good though

    ian cormac (ab2f02)

  445. I realize this is an indictment of my character, and Eric Blair’s impressions are 100% justified and reasonable, but:

    hello Mitt I’m up here

    Comment by happyfeet — 8/9/2010 @ 2:28 pm

    really got a laugh out of me.

    If you’re going to diss Sarah Palin, at least be a complete retard about it, so I don’t think you expect to be taken seriously.

    That’s not the only difference between, say EPWJ’s attacks and Feet’s, but that’s one that I find pretty valuable. It’s going to be an awful couple of years of presidential campaign politics, though. Ugh.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  446. MD – Pleasure’s mine.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  447. I suspect the people who like Happyfeet also like South Park.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  448. Missy Peregrym is the future.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  449. I think living in California, seems to have scrambled his brain thoughts, into a tourette’s like Texan patois

    ian cormac (ab2f02)

  450. EricPW – Another point. That Alaska budget you linked at #402 is Frank Murkowski’s, not Palin’s. Alaska has a July 1-June 30 fiscal year. Fiscal 2007 started July 1, 2006. Palin took office December 4, 2006.

    Your desperation is really making you look bad.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  451. Nonsense, daleyrocks, EPWJ always looks bad.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  452. Daley

    They Never put Palins name on it – yeah I saw that too, its the same process in Texas Palin Voted in the 2006, 2007 Budget in her budget (which still have Franks name on it) Edu spending rose, the point is that she has just an okay if uneventful record as govenor – nothing special

    EricPWJohnson (ec4091)

  453. Daley look at this document

    http://gov.state.ak.us/omb/09_omb/budget/FY09_Fiscal_Summary.pdf

    EricPWJohnson (ec4091)

  454. Daley,

    Palins record isnt bad, but, unfortunately with the downturn in GF revenues its unclear what she would or woudnt have spent – it unfortunate that she didnt get her chance to shine make a Perry-like record thats not open for honest debate

    I guess I’m jaded by Huckabees constant stream of lies about his spending

    EricPWJohnson (ec4091)

  455. http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/bp59.pdf

    Another interesting paper, note that Texas does not levy a sales tax on basic foodstuffs and I believe certain classifications of clothing

    EricPWJohnson (ec4091)

  456. I just returned from a vacation to Minnesota, where I was surprised to encounter no sales tax on clothing.

    Icy Texan (8e2869)

  457. 450. I suspect the people who like Happyfeet also like South Park.

    — Wait a second. I like South Park!

    Icy Texan (8e2869)

  458. Icy, I sometimes feel a bit stupid for trying to explain why I like Happyfeet’s humor. He isn’t that funny when he goes on the same riff for so long.

    He still makes me laugh and I don’t take his comments seriously. I think he’s out to show how angry Palin’s fans are, and he’s actually making the opposite case.

    Palins record isnt bad

    Amen, EPWJ. Now, I realize you’re just concern trolling, but thanks for this. You really, really hate Palin, so this is enough to shut you down in the future.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  459. “slurk”, Dustin? That’s not funny; it’s denigrating Sarah Palin based on gender. If happyfeet wants to prove that he’s not a sexist he can henceforth refer to the former governor of Alaska as “Palin”. No personal pronouns, no gender tags whatsoever. I hereby predict that it will be impossible for happyfeet to do so.

    Icy Texan (8e2869)

  460. “They Never put Palins name on it – yeah I saw that too”

    EricPW @456 – They did not put Palin’s name on it because it was not her budget. It was Murkowski’s budget. It was approved before FY2007 started on July 1, 2006. Palin took office on December 4, 2006. You linked a non-Palin year to try to make a point she messed up as governor. It was your mistake, not anybody else’s.

    #457 – The fiscal 2009 general fund revenues are projected to be down because of an assumed drop in oil prices and oil volume. That is disclosed in the footnotes, but you have already proved you are not much for details.

    Try to work with facts.

    daleyrocks (940075)


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