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legal insurrection is having alot of fun with journolisters complain that they are being taken out of context. his obvious retort: well, gee, guys, why don’t you supply us the context?
Seriously the smartest thing for the journolisters to right now is RELEASE ALL OF IT. the daily caller clearly has most of it, if not all. so the best way to diffuse the damage, is drop it in one giant lump and overwhelm people’s ability to process it. its like the infamous document dump that happens in litigation where suddenly they drop 24 boxes of paper in discovery.
But something tells me they won’t be that smart, in part because they really don’t think they did anything so bad.
I am just waiting to see more on the palin thing. that first weekend after she was introduced… i never saw anything like it in my life. later the american thinker ran a piece called “The Wilding of Sarah Palin.” i don’t usually like rape metaphors, but that was really apt, the sort of crazy out of control nature of it all.
Btw, the most intriguing line in it all is the reference to the unofficial campaign for obama. i wonder what that term meant to them?
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e) — 7/22/2010 @ 7:07 amFred Barnes writes a story about his involvement in JournoList:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704684604575381083191313448.html?mod=WSJ_newsreel_opinion=
Arizona Bob (e8af2b) — 7/22/2010 @ 7:10 amAW, like the old adage about sunlight being the best disinfectant, we’ll see the same element regarding this affair. They’ll hold on to their illegitimate secrecy as long as possible, until their utter mendacity is finally revealed. Idiots – but then again, they’re journalists (with apologies to Bradley).
Dmac (d61c0d) — 7/22/2010 @ 7:25 amBTW, don’t have the link, but loved Treacher’s line regarding the new media meme on liberal bias in the MFM (paraphrasing): Old Hotness: what liberal media? New Hotness: you didn’t know that the media were liberal? You rubes!
Dmac (d61c0d) — 7/22/2010 @ 7:27 amoff topic, but…
first you heard the awful mel gibson tapes.
then you heard that there was evidence it was faked.
now the police are investigating the ex girlfriend for extortion.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2010-07-21-mel-gibson_N.htm
So is it possible the cops figured out that they were definitely fakes and now they are thinking extortion?
Stay tuned i guess.
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e) — 7/22/2010 @ 7:30 amHonestly, most of this problem is from these “journalists” only associating with like-minded people. Heck, even the disagreements among folks here on the Right are more divergent than these folks, it appears.
For many of us, we get to hear the Left of Center POV daily, so we get both sets. But for the Left, people who disagree with them are crazy or whatever.
What has happened here is that the Journolisters got caught. Seriously, what would they say if the reverse took place? Oh wait. Boehlert thinks it does!
Eric Blair (d7ba5c) — 7/22/2010 @ 7:41 amWhat this shows is one aspect of the Democratic-media complex…working things out.
Is anybody in the MSM covering this? I have only seen this story on Fox. Now, why is that? This is a huge story…imagine if it would Republicans engaging in such a conspiracy? It’d be “news” 24/7 for days and days.
VoteOutIncumbents (078434) — 7/22/2010 @ 7:48 amComment by Aaron Worthing (A.W.) — 7/22/2010 @ 7:30 am
Or the Hollywood culture (and I mean the Sheriff too) gathering around one of their moneymakers and throwing an outsider under the bus? Like with Polanski? Like with Seven of Nine?
nk (db4a41) — 7/22/2010 @ 7:49 amI have Netflix on Demand, so I went and watched Lethal Weapon 3 and 4. Worst waste of four hours of my time. Jet Li was the only good thing about them.
nk (db4a41) — 7/22/2010 @ 7:53 amWell remember that “7 of 9” allegations were used to torpedo Jack Ryan and that gave us Barack Obama
ian cormac (d407d8) — 7/22/2010 @ 7:53 amExactly, Ian.
nk (db4a41) — 7/22/2010 @ 7:53 amOver at Politico, Ken Vogel and Keach Hagey state as fact:
MayBee (04ac40) — 7/22/2010 @ 8:07 amYou forgot Renee Russo,
ian cormac (d407d8) — 7/22/2010 @ 8:14 am1) Klein probably believes he can’t release the archives because of confidentiality/privacy. These were after all emails written as private emails which were supposed to be read only by the members of the listserv. If he does release the archives, he could get sued by any member who doesn’t want their participation to become public knowledge. This doesn’t necessarily mean anyone the people who wrote the selections being released by the Daily Caller, or even anyone who participated in the politicizing. It just means that unless he has the written consent of everyone who was on the list, he may feel he’s placing himself in legal hazard if he releases anything. And I’m sure there are people who were on that list and wouldn’t consent to release of the archives.
2)Of course, the danger of the DC’s strategy is that after a few more days, the bits and pieces being released will start to sound the same and people will begin to ignore them.
3)Also, not all of these revelations are necessarily earthshaking or even show undue bias on the part of journalists. For instance, today’s piece about Palin. You have someone named Ed Kilmore, associated with something called the Democratic Strategist (which name alone should tip off any of his readers that he wasn’t an impartial reporter), telling people that they should emphasize Palin’s hard core conservative beliefs.
Well guess what? Her hard core conservatism was what attracted people to her, and it was obvious from the first day. I saw, on the little corner of the blogosphere I was then frequenting (associated with the Ace of Spades crowd, to which I got into via Stashiu) people who had been seriously contemplating doing nothing to help McCain–possibly not even voting for him– because they didn’t trust him and thought he was not conservative enough, turn highly enthusiastic as soon as Palin was picked (the “where do I volunteer? where do I donate?” sort of enthusiasm) because of Palin’s conservatism.
So Kilgore was telling the listserv members to tell people what they already knew. Absolutely horrifying behavior, itsn’t it? What’s saddest about it is that Kilgore apparently didn’t know enough about her to realize that no one would mistake her for a McCain type of moderate.
kishnevi (0b9543) — 7/22/2010 @ 8:16 am“Is anybody in the MSM covering this?”
What would be the point? Obviously, any information that comes out of the MSM is going to so tainted, that it’s essentially valueless.
They aren’t the least bit objective, they don’t report news, what they do is they spew propaganda and it’s ALWAYS been that way.
In the old days they had William Randolph Hearst and Walter Duranty. Nowadays, it’s the boys and girls at Journolist.
Any day, everything that comes out of the press/media is total crap. You don’t get the truth from newspapers or t.v., you get what sells, and whatever suits their political agenda…and, like I said, it always has been that way, and what’s more, it always will be that way.
Dave Surls (d631db) — 7/22/2010 @ 8:16 amMaybe, that is what they do: create Teh Narrative, and repeating it over and over.
Remember “No Blood for Oil”?
Eric Blair (d7ba5c) — 7/22/2010 @ 8:27 amSadly, all the dailycaller’s work is going to do is confirm that which we believed to be true, but had no actual evidence until now. The MFM will ignore ignore lie ignore this until they find a new way to call Republicans racists again.
JD (3399c0) — 7/22/2010 @ 8:32 amI am impressed with how young these people are. It’s a bit like Hollywood where, once you are past 40, you can’t get a job. These folks have no experience (Like their hero) and are just grad students who have never had a real job. It is small wonder that they haven’t yet lost the herd instinct.
Watch a couple of old movies sometime that have newspaper reporters as major characters. I have in mind “It Happened One Night” (1938) and “Holiday in Rome” (1950). What a difference ! Try to imagine a present day male star playing those roles. De Caprio, for example.
Mike K (0ef8c3) — 7/22/2010 @ 8:36 amActually her reformist convictions standing up against the Major oil companies which have turned the state into an oligarchy, her willing to tackle corrupt officials in her own party, including the party chief that hasn’t forgotten it, or the former attorney general she supported a domestic partnership referendum, with her veto, she wasn’t particularly that openly right to life in her public actions, she ticked off the local right to life chapter, by appointing a pro choicer to the State Supreme Court
The problem is they knew you had to cement themisleading impression, at first round, along with Axelrod’s atroturfing like the secessionist
ian cormac (d407d8) — 7/22/2010 @ 8:52 amslur, forget it you don’t care about the truth
One wonders at what point this sort of candidate advocacy begins to violate McCain/Feingold. Hard to understand why a private citizen or non-media corporation is regulated in spending dollars to promote a candidate when our friends on the J-list aren’t. Time for a complain to the FEC?
lostingotham (2ccb2c) — 7/22/2010 @ 8:52 amnk
One, certainly its possibel that gibson is being corruptly “saved.” i am reserving all judgement on this, but thought it was interesting.
But i am totally not getting how Jeri Ryan fits into this.
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e) — 7/22/2010 @ 8:58 amIan–well, standing up against the GOP establishment would actually underline her conservatism, wouldn’t it? The main complaint I recall among the Ace of Spades group was that the GOP establishment was more interested in “RINOs” than actual conservatives. Stashiu or EW, if they’re keeping an eye on this thread, can correct me if I’m remembering wrong.
or the former attorney general she supported a domestic partnership referendum, with her veto, she wasn’t particularly that openly right to life in her public actions, she ticked off the local right to life chapter, by appointing a pro choicer to the State Supreme Court
I don’t remember hearing about those points until after the election. I’d suggest those facts were not well known, or at least not publicized enough, evem among moderate GOPers/RINOs (the ones who, unlike the journolisters, might want to publicize them), to dent her image as a conservative.
kishnevi (894e4f) — 7/22/2010 @ 9:20 amThe first two you would know if you had read her bio by Kaylene Johnson, or read Beldar’s blog around June 2008, the point is, all of this was crowded out, a film done by a former IAF pilot which was run on Greta, all the made up garbage
ian cormac (d407d8) — 7/22/2010 @ 9:26 amfrom the Wasilla project, that ran on MSNBC and CNN
By the way, regarding the last thread–the hateful comments by far left KCRW radio producer Sarah Spitz about Rush Limbaugh having a heart attack–I would encourage folks to call her station, KCRW (310-450-5183), and make two points: That this is prima facie hate speech, and for that reason alone the station should sever ties with the vile Ms. Spitz; and that the whole idea of the show she produces for them, “Left, Right, and Center,” is that Americans all across the political spectrum can unite for civil discourse–but her shocking, heartless, hate-soaked comments prove that she is tempermentally unsuited to produce such a program. Call KCRW and call her out. (310) 450-5183.
Kevin Stafford (abdb87) — 7/22/2010 @ 9:28 amOne wonders at what point this sort of candidate advocacy begins to violate McCain/Feingold. Hard to understand why a private citizen or non-media corporation is regulated in spending dollars to promote a candidate when our friends on the J-list aren’t. Time for a complain to the FEC?
No! Time to use this incident to get rid of these noxious speech-restricting laws altogether.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C. O.R. (a18ddc) — 7/22/2010 @ 9:35 amThe First Amendment is explicitly about political speech, it took the Soros and Nader apparat to revise that premise
ian cormac (d407d8) — 7/22/2010 @ 9:38 amAMEN. Political speech, even the speech of obvious thugs like the J-listers, is sacred.
On the other hand, there’s a wise notion that the best way to make clear how bad a policy is can be to enforce it to the letter.
These journalists and their papers are flagrantly political operations. I’m happy enough with the way this is unfolding and the last thing I want is to give the Federal government a crisis to use to create new fairness powers, though.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/22/2010 @ 9:50 amI think everybody gets the journOlister game now. There is no longer any doubt about the media collusion, and also no credibility left in any of the news reporting.
bill-tb (541ea9) — 7/22/2010 @ 9:50 amCan any of the commentators on Journolist be considered credible at this point? I know they’re liberal, and they don’t pretend to be otherwise (other than Weigel), but the idea of them conspiring to produce specific stories, news, etc just defeats their claims of neutrality, or objectivity, or whatever they’re claiming today.
rochf (ae9c58) — 7/22/2010 @ 11:08 amWhen do we get to see the one from Fox News?
JEA (dffa7e) — 7/22/2010 @ 12:02 pmThat’s the best you can do, JEA? Repeat the idea that its the conservatives who are the ones coordinating message?
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/22/2010 @ 12:19 pmI recommend that anyone interested in making the most egregious of these conspirators pay:
1st email Wired.com by using their contact page and ask them why they are continuing their relationship with Spencer Ackerman given that he has proven to be biased, untrustworthy and shown bad judgment that could reflect on Wired magazine.
2nd Then go to WHCA.net and use their contact page and ask them why an outspoken member of journolist (Michael Scherer) who engaged in conversations disparaging Fox News and where the idea of shutting Fox news down was bandied about is a member of the board and is currently picking which news organization, Fox or Bloomberg, will sit in the seat vacated by anti-Semite Helen Thomas?
Let’s cost a few of these a$$clowns their cushy jobs and careers like they’ve conspired to do (and done) for years to conservatives.
jakee308 (174da3) — 7/22/2010 @ 12:29 pmJEA
yeah, classic liberal tactic. when liberals are caught behaving badly, to assert–generally without evidence–that conservatives are even worse, which justifies the behavior in the first place.
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e) — 7/22/2010 @ 12:30 pmWhen do we get to see what the Jlisters wrote about when Palin’s email account was hacked? It would be poetic justice to see rationalizations from them about how that would be news – even though it was her private account. I sincerely doubt that anyone on the list was discouraging coverage of the story in order to protect her privacy.
People really do forget that what they’re writing online is public. I was just watching videos posted to facebook by teenage members of my congregation who are, very plainly, stinking drunk. You’d think they would remember that they once “friended” their pastor?
Gesundheit (cfa313) — 7/22/2010 @ 12:34 pmUse this incident to rescind the “news media”‘s exemptions from what’s left of McCain/Feingold. And any future attempt to give “the press” greater rights/privileges than anyone else.
LarryD (f22286) — 7/22/2010 @ 12:39 pm1st email Wired.com by using their contact page and ask them why they are continuing their relationship with Spencer Ackerman given that he has proven to be biased, untrustworthy and shown bad judgment that could reflect on Wired magazine.
Pointing out that he seems to have a fetish for violence fantasies involving plate glass windows would probably be a more empirical argument.
Another Chris (2d8013) — 7/22/2010 @ 12:43 pmIf there was an honest MSM I know they’d be thinking what I’m thinking: how do the Clintons feel about being shafted by fellow Democrats conspiring to give Obama an easy path to the nomination? Surely someone has asked Bill, right? Hillary would have to ‘no comment’ but Bill would be in a position to say something. Yeah, the MSM saved his bacon with Monica creating a meme that the story was righties were trying to overturn the will of the voters over a crime that had nothing to do with Bill’s official duties. Open and shut perjury? Ho hum. Strong evidence of obstruction of justice. Double ho hum.
East Bay Jay (2fd7f7) — 7/22/2010 @ 1:08 pmLarryD
no, that is wrong. they have a right to be this biased. and we have a right to expose them.
Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e) — 7/22/2010 @ 1:17 pmjakee308’s suggestions are good ones. Put the “objective” outlets on the spot and let them defend the indefensible. And share their responses.
If outlets like Wired lose readers and respectability, they’ll be forced to act for economic reasons, even if they don’t care about the ethical ones.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (1701b4) — 7/22/2010 @ 1:53 pmSee the what from Fox News? The mailing list that has them conspiring with other media outlets across the country to lie?
Isn’t that the problem you lefties have with Fox? That they are the only one of their kind? That there isn’t anyone else for them to conspire with doesn’t seem to have embedded itself in the potato that you are misusing as a brain this week.
Duh.
EW1(SG) (edc268) — 7/22/2010 @ 2:15 pmIan–never read the biography. Anything I saw at Beldar’s would probably have been via a link from here. At any rate, if I did hear of that stuff, it must have not made enough of an impression to remain in my memory.
As to the stuff you list that was shown on CNN, etc.–no dispute there. But none of that was considered in what Daily Caller published now from Journolist.
Kilgore’s posts were, in a nutshell: “She’s a conservative! We have to make people understand she’s not a moderate, she’s not a RINO!”
When in fact her main appeal was from the start the fact that she was a real conservative and not a RINO.
He didn’t seem to notice that people liked her because she wasn’t a moderate; that if she was a “maverick” it wasn’t McCain type maverick-ness, it was ver firm conservative maverick-ness.
My own problems with her were twofold: I didn’t see any hard information that would leave me to believe she tended to libertarian style conservatism, which is the kind I look for, and even if she was, it was McCain who was running for president, not her, and there was no real indication on how much influence or responsibility she would have in a McCain administration. Would she be a conservative voice with real influence or real power, or would she just be window dressing to re-assure conservative voters– a Potemkin-village kind of effect.
kishnevi (894e4f) — 7/22/2010 @ 2:29 pmKishnevi – Focusing on Kilgore’s words to the extent of ignoring all the rest of the article is pretty disingenuous.
Fred Barnes is RACIST!
JD (67fdd1) — 7/22/2010 @ 2:33 pm==they have a right to be this biased. and we have a right to expose them==
Individuals in this country certainly do have the right to think what they like and say what they want. Thank goodness for that. This Journolist, though, was obvious collusion to achieve an obvious goal over time and across the media spectrum. It had nothing to do with individual rights even though it used individuals. Does anybody really think that many of the newbies or weak sisters in the group were not seduced/influenced/intimidated into saying shockingly nasty things and writing the suggested party line by the stronger, more substantially known and influential “journalists” and activists? Didn’t the Journolisters love it when somebody complimented them on their wit and brilliance? Honestly, don’t people almost always seek a level of approval and validation from their “really cool classmates” and want to be more like them?
But professional journalism is supposed to be different. It is supposed to be more a personal endeavor–with a unique touch. For their work to mean anything writers must explore and investigate using their own initiative, background, contacts and resources. Not only does this Journolist collusion raise my ire the more I read, but it saddens me also. I have to wonder how many worthwhile and thought-provoking columns were not written, how many interesting election angles were never explored, and how much truly valuable nuance in liberal thought was lost—- because regardless of their ages or geography, everybody on Journolist always said the same thing, at the same time, using the same phrases and spin.
elissa (ac36f5) — 7/22/2010 @ 2:43 pmI know this if off topic (sorry) but do you want to bet that the new job Our Glorious Leader is offering to Shirley Sherrod includes a substantial raise in pay? I wonder what she was making before-that has not come out as far as I know. It would be interesting to find out. She has been coy about accepting the new position, but money and enhanced benefits, talk. We shall see and in the end the ones who pay federal income taxes will pay.
BT (74cbec) — 7/22/2010 @ 3:08 pmoff thread tip:
Breaking:
Rangel charged with multiple violations by House ethics panel.
There’s so many possibilities. (Tee hee)
My schadenfreude cup runneth over this week. 🙂
jakee308 (174da3) — 7/22/2010 @ 3:33 pmRe: post #32… done and done, jakee.
GeneralMalaise (11870b) — 7/22/2010 @ 4:04 pmRe: your post #42, JD… indeed.
I like Fred Barnes, but I look forward to seeing him discussing this, when he goes into his classic arms folded pose and gets his “Porky Pig” on…
GeneralMalaise (11870b) — 7/22/2010 @ 4:10 pmMedia disposes of last shred of credibility on JournoList.
How can they possibly recover from this?
And even the Obama campaign had a seat at the journOlist table. Jared Bernstein, chief economist for Vice President Joseph Biden, served in 2008 as an economic adviser to the Obama campaign. At the same time, he was a member of JournoList, the controversial progressive journalism email list.
bill-tb (541ea9) — 7/22/2010 @ 4:39 pmYes, you were wrong from the start, which you made clear in an earlier link, I’m pointing out what one
ian cormac (d407d8) — 7/22/2010 @ 4:43 pmgood source of information might have been
Relax everybody. David Corn says Journolist was just like a bar for journalists and as happens in a real bar a patron or two said a few teensy intemperate things. No biggie. Why, in a different age these same discussions would have taken place in a restaurant or hotel lobby–but now we have the internet! Corn, of course, was a lurker and rarely participated.
Yeah David. All 500 of you would have just happened to be together around a restaurant table. NOT.
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/07/journolist-daily-caller-sarah-palin
elissa (ac36f5) — 7/22/2010 @ 5:57 pmJD–Tucker Carlson (if he’s the one doing the actual writing for these posts at DC) thought Kilgore was important; he quoted him twice in different parts of his article, one of them being the paragraph that wraps the whole thing up. And much of the rest of the post is devoted to spin suggestions that didn’t take hold. You’ll notice that the two points that the MSM returned to again and again during the campaign, and still returns to now–her supposed ignorance of important policy matters, her penchant for acting just like any other politician when it came to pork and perks, and the alleged false image of her as being just another suburban housewife and mother despite the political career–weren’t even touched on in the material Carlson quotes. But if this was the extent of the conspiracy against Palin, then it was a fairly unsuccessful conspiracy. ( At this point I’d presume the actual talking points used against Palin are in other parts of the archive, waiting for Carlson to publish those.)
And, simply for the sake of curiosity I’d like to see what these Journolisters really thought about Andrew Sullivan and his pregnancy obsession. Did any of them think there was something to it? Or did they view him as a useful stalking horse–“Well, if you think I’m biased against Sara Palin, of course I’m not. I don’t go around claiming she wasn’t pregnant. I’m not the lunatic! Andrew Sullivan is biased, but I’m not!”
And I’m simply trying to point out Kilgore’s ignorance. His epistemic closure. He (and apparently the rest of the listserv) didn’t understand the simplest thing about Sarah Palin, or the people who would be voting for McCain and her–to him being a firm conservative was a weakness, whereas in fact it’s her main strength.
Ian–was 49 addressed to me? Because the point in this instance is not my ignorance–and some of that is stuff I simply learned about later–but Kilgore’s and the rest of the Journolist group. All I’m really saying is that the specific facts you cite about Palin’s not-so-conservative decisions in Alaska were not at that time well known, and didn’t impede her image as a conservative. So Kilgore’s claim that she needed to be exposed as a real conservative was a bizarre ignorance of reality.
kishnevi (6c49d9) — 7/22/2010 @ 6:12 pm“Repeat the idea that its the conservatives who are the ones coordinating message?”
Obviously, SPQR, you and lot of other conservatives are naive enough to think they don’t. Liberals do it. Conservatives do it. Which is why I always like to play devil’s advocate (insert puerile, childish joke here if you wish).
I’d also like to know, with Fox and Limbaugh always crowing about how they hammer liberal news outlets like CNN and MSNBC in ratings, and the fact that the broadcast networks have significantly reduced audiences, with Hannity & Beck and O’Reilly (who’ve been around for years now) and newspapers losing readers in droves, how exactly liberals are “dominating” the narrative?
JEA (ca1cf6) — 7/22/2010 @ 6:18 pmEven the Devil’s Advocate has rules of evidence to comply with.
You, JEA, do not come close to being the Devil’s Advocate.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/22/2010 @ 6:21 pmkilgore must need an
ColonelHaiku (11870b) — 7/22/2010 @ 6:23 pmepisiotomy to
open that closure
@Colonel Haiku 6:23pm
groan
elissa (ac36f5) — 7/22/2010 @ 6:25 pmOuch, ColonelHaiku, that one hurt.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/22/2010 @ 6:25 pmafter son was born
ColonelHaiku (11870b) — 7/22/2010 @ 6:33 pmask doc to put one more stitch
wife not amused
dishonorable
ColonelHaiku (11870b) — 7/22/2010 @ 6:35 pmJEA where proof of your
sad allegation?
You know the real point is they didn’t care to know
ian cormac (d407d8) — 7/22/2010 @ 6:35 pmthe truth about her, about Obama, about AGW, and more importantly they did their darndest to suppress it. I imagine that ridiculous ‘Pilate
was a Governor, Jesus was a community organizer’,
the insinuation that she was some kind of antisemite, also came from these session
eric alterman
ColonelHaiku (11870b) — 7/22/2010 @ 6:37 pmresemble comic book guy
without ponytail
SPQR–
after all it is a well known fact that Dick Cheney has a conference call every morning from his undisclosed location at which he instructs Hannity, Beck, Limbagh, Malkin and all the rest on what to say against Obama that day, and they pass it on to the rest of the blogosphere on a need to know basis. Patterico and DRJ are sworn to silence on this, of course, so they can’t let the rest of us know.
JEA–simple. More people hear and remember what MSNBC and CNN say, and the majority of them, while they identify Fox as a conservative news source, don’t think of MSNBC or CNN as biased in a leftist direction. So they accept what they hear on those channels without much ado.
kishnevi (8731ef) — 7/22/2010 @ 6:46 pmWell except both of the other networks have a fraction of Fox’s viewership, CNN has the doctor’s
ian cormac (d407d8) — 7/22/2010 @ 6:50 pmoffices and airport terminals secured, basically
captive audiences
More people hear and remember what MSNBC and CNN say
kish spin stop right here
ColonelHaiku (11870b) — 7/22/2010 @ 6:57 pmFox News top rated cable
network smarten up
ian is correct I think colonel Haiku:
Although individually the Media’s outlets may not have the audience that the few conservative outlets do, in the aggregate the total audience reached by liberal/leftist propaganda is far greater due also to the inescapable coverage (msnbc and cnn are favorites for public waiting areas. Re: Airports, bus stations, train stations, bars, delis etc.)
Also THEY relentlessly smear and sneer at Fox and conservatives thus influencing many to NOT listen/watch what is purported to be racist/inflammatory/bigoted etc.
the colonel makes his point
jakee308 (174da3) — 7/22/2010 @ 7:17 pmbut ian is not
missing the point
I don’t know if the following is about the funniest thing you’ve heard in a while, or terribly sad or just too bizarre to be believed. From the JournoList (via PowerLine):
Blogger Matt Yglesias sent out a new post thread with the subject, “The line on Palin.”
“John McCain picked someone to help him politically, Barack Obama picked someone to help him govern,” Yglesias wrote.
I don’t know if Yglesias thought Obama had picked somebody else to be VP or what, but the ability to help govern the nation is not what Mr. Biden is known for. I don’t know if I should laugh at this or what. If people sincerely believe Joe Biden is an asset as VP, I don’t know if it makes sense to even try to talk to these folks.
I’m not surprised Politico is on it. Never, ever trust some outfit that claims to be an “objective voice” in politics. That’s cover for, “We’ll say a little bad about our guys, too, just to give the appearance of objectivity.”
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 7/22/2010 @ 8:16 pmNo I’ve tried years ago, ‘depleted uranium’ is less
ian cormac (d407d8) — 7/22/2010 @ 8:29 pmimpermeable than his mindset
matt yglesias
ColonelHaiku (11870b) — 7/22/2010 @ 8:33 pmand jonathan chait should start
cluelesshamsterlist
Comment by ColonelHaiku
What do you have against hamsters???
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 7/22/2010 @ 8:56 pm52. Comment by JEA — 7/22/2010 @ 6:18 pm
SPQR wrote: “Repeat the idea that its the conservatives who are the ones coordinating message?”
JEA wrote: Obviously, SPQR, you and lot of other conservatives are naive enough to think they don’t. Liberals do it. Conservatives do it.
— As Colonel Haiku said, Where’s the PROOF that journalists (and PLEASE distinguish between “journalists” and “commentators”!) for “conservative news outlets” coordinate their reporting to suit a conservative agenda?
Which is why I always like to play devil’s advocate (insert puerile, childish joke here if you wish).
— Gotta love it when they lob up softballs! Okay, “devil’s advocate” . . . ah! devil’s advocate: a person upholding the wrong side for argument’s sake. Damn! Devil’s advocate, thy name is Troll.
I’d also like to know, with Fox and Limbaugh always crowing about how they hammer liberal news outlets like CNN and MSNBC in ratings, etc etc . . . and newspapers losing readers in droves, how exactly liberals are “dominating” the narrative?
Icy Texan (4ca17c) — 7/22/2010 @ 9:16 pm— Because they control at least 50%, if not more, of those dwindling newspapers’ editorial boards; more, if you go by circulation (New York Crimes, the Dog Trainer, WaPo, Seattle Post-NonIntelligencer, Chicago Trib, etc). Also, the major news magazines AND the three major networks. AND the halls of acedemia. AND the Hollyweird idiots that manage to find a camera into which they can express their love for all things leftist.
JEA said:
I’d also like to know, with Fox and Limbaugh always crowing about how they hammer liberal news outlets like CNN and MSNBC in ratings, and the fact that the broadcast networks have significantly reduced audiences, with Hannity & Beck and O’Reilly (who’ve been around for years now) and newspapers losing readers in droves, how exactly liberals are “dominating” the narrative?
He wondered before about a phantom Fox News listserv that the right anxiously depends upon to deliver the daily talking points.
Like the squirrel searching for the acorn hidden last fall, JEA indeed found a lost nut.
He’s exactly right. Conservatives and libertarians do indeed have trusted resources they can turn to for news, opinion and information.
The slight difference, though, is that Rush and Fox News and Levin and Hannity and reason.com and Hewitt and all the rest pretty much express their ideas in an extremely public forum.
I guess, the real question though, is why the journolist minions believed the listserv was necessary.
When you have the full force of NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, the New York Times, The Washington Post, the AP, Slate, Salon, Kos, the Huffington Post, Media Matters, TPM, the Daily Beast, the LA Times, the Daily Show, Newsweek, Time, George Soros, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, the President of the United States, the Speaker of the House and the Majority Leader of the Senate, Steven Spielberg, Oliver Stone, Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, Whoopi Goldberg, and Joy Behar as well as Tom Friedman, Paul Krugman, Frank Rich, Anderson Cooper and on and on, beating the drum for your side, the only solution is to resort to a limited access Internet clearing-house to make sure everyone knows Sarah Palin is stupid?
Whatever.
Ag80 (363d6e) — 7/22/2010 @ 9:24 pmwas stuffed up Richard
Haiku Hamster (4ca17c) — 7/22/2010 @ 9:39 pmGere’s butt once; Marx, Engels, and
Lenin all there, too
#71 – confusing hamsters with gerbils.
Rodent racist….
rtrski (c69273) — 7/23/2010 @ 6:58 amWhat is truly frightening about the Journolist discussions was the tone of some of the comments–they wanted to smear any conservative as racist; they dreamed about throwing conservatives through plate glass windows or watching Rush die a painful death. At least one law professor from UCLA appears to believe that we should dispense with due process when it comes to Fox News, and a number of prominent journalism professors chimed in, seeing nothing wrong with any of the proposals, or the fact that they were conspiring with each other to affect the election.
If they can’t see there’s anything wrong with this, then there’s no hope for the MSM and we should just declare it dead, give it a burial, and move on.
rochf (ae9c58) — 7/23/2010 @ 10:05 amAs mentioned by several above, JEA wants there to be some conservative secret e-mail list where conservative pundits coordinate their message.
Hilariously, even Hillary Clinton’s paranoid “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy” chart showed all these “coordination” messages flowing about in public, not in secret.
And by explicit opinion columnists and commentators, not people pretending to be objective journalists doing journalism.
Not understanding this, or pretending not to, either way its just clownish.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/23/2010 @ 10:39 amconfusing hamsters with gerbils.
Rodent racist….
Comment by rtrski — 7/23/2010 @ 6:58 am
— Nooooo!!! owned gerbils when
IthinkIjustSteppedInSomeKu (81232c) — 7/23/2010 @ 1:40 pmchild; cannot envision my
babies as butt plugs!
And so JEA
Icy Texan (81232c) — 7/23/2010 @ 1:44 pmruns away
lives to troll
another day
it’s not good to let this sort of thing go cause the next person they trash might be someone you really respect
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/23/2010 @ 8:21 pmBefore you know it, feet, they will do it a candidate you respect, remember now, facts are
ian cormac (d407d8) — 7/23/2010 @ 8:41 pmno barrier
Richard Marx Marty
ColonelHaiku (6d95fe) — 7/23/2010 @ 8:45 pmEngels and John Lenin great
entertainers now dead
I thought that’s what I meaned. Where is Mr. P? here is musics for him.
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/23/2010 @ 8:46 pmfor reals Richard Marx is dead? Like Lucille Ball and Telly Savalas?
happyfeet (19c1da) — 7/23/2010 @ 8:49 pmRelax, feets! Only his career is dead.
Icy Texan (6df7c5) — 7/24/2010 @ 2:59 amFrankly i would like to see some liberal left-wing journalist selling pencils on the street after their stupid news paper gose bankrupt
Krazy Kagu (7cd87d) — 7/31/2010 @ 8:19 am