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7/19/2010

Taking Sides

Filed under: Immigration,Law — DRJ @ 9:44 pm

[Guest post by DRJ]

Like Mexico, seven Latin American nations have requested permission to file amicus briefs in a lawsuit opposing Arizona’s new immigration law:

“Bolivia, Colombia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Paraguay and Peru filed separate, nearly identical motions to join Mexico’s legal brief supporting the lawsuit filed by U.S. civil rights and other advocacy groups.”

The law takes effect July 29. The lawsuit(s) will undoubtedly heat up on July 30th.

— DRJ

21 Responses to “Taking Sides”

  1. Every last one of them purporting to protect their citizens’ non existent rights. Puhleeze! Cry me a rio.

    Gazzer (800a42)

  2. Outrageous! What business is it of these countries, Mexico included, what laws one of our states pass?

    Maude (d78b58)

  3. Fuck them. Seriously. If the leaders of these countries weren’t a bunch of corrupt bastards selling the futures of their people for their own personal advancement, we wouldn’t have this problem in the first place.

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  4. Civil rights don’t include being able to go to another country and break its laws.

    stout77 (c2d8fe)

  5. speaking of international civil rights nonsense why haven’t we heard anything really yet about the ICC wanting to send investigators to Arizona I wonder

    I might could have just missed it.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  6. here’s the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights thinking on the matter

    The immigration law was adopted around the same time as the enactment of a law prohibiting Arizona school programs that “are designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group” or that “advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals.”

    The state superintendent of schools, the primary state official who promoted this legislation, has repeatedly stated that the law is aimed at eradicating particular existing ethnic studies programs that provide instruction featuring the history, social dynamics, and cultural patterns of Mexican-Americans in the United States.

    The independent experts noted that “such law and attitude are at odds with the State’s responsibility to respect the right of everyone to have access to his or her own cultural and linguistic heritage and to participate in cultural life. Everyone has the right to seek and develop cultural knowledge and to know and understand his or her own culture and that of others through education and information.”

    jeepers.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  7. The independent experts noted that “such law and attitude are at odds with the State’s responsibility to respect the right of everyone to have access to his or her own cultural and linguistic heritage and to participate in cultural life. Everyone has the right to seek and develop cultural knowledge and to know and understand his or her own culture and that of others through education and information.”

    none of which means that the state and its taxpayers have to fit the bill for such classes.

    the law doesn’t prohibit anyone from studying such things, it just says its not the state’s responsibility to pay for it.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  8. These countries are all afraid that we will be sending more of their criminals back home.

    Icy Texan (590c6e)

  9. #3 stout77:

    Civil rights don’t include being able to go to another country and break its laws.

    Human rights don’t include going to another country and breaking its laws; but civil rights may be crafted to do just that.

    Human rights are unalienable, civil rights are imposed by fiat, whether altruistic or otherwise.

    EW1(SG) (edc268)

  10. Having relatives in Peru who report back to me about the state of illegals in their home country…lemme tell you.

    If you could get the video and transcript of the Oprah like show I saw when I was down there you would be outraged. The entire show was all about how to get US benefits as illegals. The participants were people who had been here as illegals and got the benefits. To a person they disliked the US and just wanted the goodies. They saw it as their RIGHT to take our wealth because they were poor.

    I would like to see all those same countries file amicus briefs to the Mexican government to protest their medieval treatment of their southern boarder illegals. They won’t, but if they are going to protest Arizona, they’d better damned well protest Mexico.

    Vivian Louise (643333)

  11. And how many of these countries, like Mexico, have laws on their books that it is illegal to travel into their countries and speak ill against their government or laws?

    If any of them have such a clause, summarily throw out their amicus briefs. (Tazing them on the bare buttocks afterward would be excessive.)

    rtrski (c69273)

  12. Not a one has any valid interest in affecting internal US policy. Refuse all of them. Unless they want us sending briefs along on all their internal discussions?

    Frank Drebbin (8096f2)

  13. I don’t know why we don’t just build a fence and a moat, cut off international aid to these cesspools and sit back and watch how well they address their own internal problems.

    rochf (ae9c58)

  14. The corrupt-o-crats south of the border NEED the US as a safety valve to keep their comfortable autocratic, corrupt, oligarchies running. Without pressure relief, the brave, capable, risk takers that escape to the north would have nothing to do but plot the overthrow of the criminal regimes that pass for governments down there. The violence of the revolutions would be horrific. Neither side has any checks in place to moderate their own behavior. And many of them have had the best teachers available.

    quasimodo (4af144)

  15. I don’t know why we don’t just build a fence and a moat, cut off international aid to these cesspools and sit back and watch how well they address their own internal problems.

    Answer in two words: Barack Obama

    Old Coot (5b534b)

  16. #15. Naw. No one has the political will. republican or democrat.

    quasimodo (4af144)

  17. I see no harm in allowing them to file amicus briefs, although I do think there’s something mildly improper about asking.

    So: let them file the briefs, charge them the filing fee, and then ignore them. :)

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  18. 1st question to come to mind is what standing these countries even have to file a brief in the first place?

    Arizona should take whatever federal construction funds they receive, and just build a wall on the border, and make it a military zone patrolled by the National Guard.

    Then let the screaming commence, and turn a deaf ear to it.

    NavyspyII (df615d)

  19. NavyspyII,

    As I understand Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure Rule 29, anyone can file an amicus brief with leave of the court; the restrictions are on form and content, not identity:

    “The United States or its officer or agency, or a State, Territory, Commonwealth, or the District of Columbia may file an amicus-curiae brief without the consent of the parties or leave of court.

    Any other amicus curiae may file a brief only by leave of court or if the brief states that all parties have consented to its filing.”

    (spacing between the sentences added by me).

    I think the idea is that the court is free to allow anyone to brief them, if the court thinks it would be helpful – they seem to have ultimate discretion on the subject.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  20. Is that a complete list of countries to put on the ‘don’t buy anything made there list’?

    Scrapiron (996c34)

  21. The abject gaul of those countries. It is all about Yanqui meddling and national sovereignity – until they want to poke their noses into a purely internal domestic political matter – then it is all about fairness. Hardy-har-har. Latin American “leaders” are to lecture us about rights and dignity and honor. why don’t you just shut up and buy yourself another uniform you bunch of glorified bellhops. Get back to working on your own people – after all, those peasants (or capitalists, as the case may be) are not going to oppress themselves!

    Californio (36d4b3)


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