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6/13/2010

Good Riddance to Eleanor Clift

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:08 pm



Eleanor Clift has a column defending Helen Thomas that opens with the following dishonest claim:

Google “good riddance to Helen Thomas,” and you get 41,700 results, more than enough to get the gist of the blogosphere’s general disdain for the 89-year-old doyenne who was a fixture in the White House press room going back to the Kennedy administration.

I don’t know what version of Google Eleanor is using, but when I did the same search, I got 472 results — just over 1% the number claimed by Clift. Oh, and the first result in that search? You guessed it: Clift’s own column.


Not 41,700

Maybe her problem was not putting the phrase in quotes? No, that’s not it either. If you remove the quotation marks (which would give you results that don’t contain the actual phrase in question), you get 18,400 results — still fewer than half the number claimed by Clift.


Nope, still not 41,700

Clift continues:

Much of the commentary reflects revulsion at Thomas’s characterization of the Palestinian issue as something that could be solved if Jews left the Palestine territories and went back to where they came from.

She was talking about the settlers, and if she had said they should go back to Brooklyn, where many of them are from, she probably wouldn’t have made news.

She wasn’t talking about the settlers. If she had been, she would have said they could go back to “Israel” and not to “Germany and Poland.” See, as a proponent of what Tony Snow labeled the “Hezbollah view,” when Helen Thomas says the Jews need to get the hell out of “Palestine,” she is talking about Israel as well as the settlements.

The rest of Clift’s column is the typical rubbish about Thomas’s longevity. So what?

Incidentally, the phrase “good riddance to Eleanor Clift” (with quotation marks) had no results when I performed it in doing research for this post. That should change, however, with the publication of this post.

Thanks to Eric Blair.

93 Responses to “Good Riddance to Eleanor Clift”

  1. Now the phrase without quotes is down to 16,800; with quotes, 332. Part of the reduction may be articles being put behind paywalls. Or a typo by a researcher, or her. Write her a note and ask.

    htom (412a17)

  2. What nobody wants to discuss, Patterico, is that the Israeli Parliament is composed of 120 seats. And the most Likud has is 28 and Kadima 38. So they have to make alliances with ultra-militirastic parties, guaranteed five seats each under the Israeli constitution, who make Al Qaeeda look like pacifists, to form a government.

    nk (db4a41)

  3. Really, nk? And just which Israeli “ultra militaristic” parties flew two airliners into the World Trade Center?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  4. I don’t have a problem with it. Israel’s founders wanted a Jewish state, not a democracy, and set up their constitution that way. But let’s be honest about it.

    nk (db4a41)

  5. SPQR,

    Could we go to ignore mode?

    nk (db4a41)

  6. nk, so you are not called to account for outrageous and offensive comments like the one above?

    No.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  7. I wish you well, nk, but this is really much more about that antisemitic troll, Helen Thomas. Germany? Poland? Gosh, what happened to Jews in those two countries, back when Helen Thomas was a girl?

    Getting back to Clift, I understand defending one’s friends. But there are limits

    Also, read Clift’s laughable defense and description of a “distinguished career.”

    Thanks for the hat tip, Patterico.

    Eric Blair (ffe6ea)

  8. It’s easy to check. Just Google “Israeli Parliament”.

    nk (db4a41)

  9. Please, nk. In a thread dealing with Helen Thomas’ suggestion that Jews go back to places with ovens, could you consider a different thread for this kind of thing? There are six million reasons. I ask with great respect.

    Eric Blair (ffe6ea)

  10. On one hand, I actually would prefer that we be able to discuss anything here without people getting upset.

    On the other, I must politely but firmly disagree that there is any party in the Israeli party that makes al Qaeda look like pacifists. I assume that is hyperbole, but it is hyperbole that greatly weakens the persuasive force of your argument, nk.

    I am going to start enforcing the civility rule on this thread starting now. Otherwise this thread is going south. Attack the argument and not the person or see your argument get nuked. Self-righteousness in your cause is not an excuse. That is not a criticism of any comment made so far, it is just a guideline for future comments.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  11. So they have to make alliances with ultra-militirastic parties

    What’s ultra-militaristic mean exactly?

    Gerald A (a66d02)

  12. “Gosh, what happened to Jews in those two countries, back when Helen Thomas was a girl?”

    Crusaders got them?

    Dave Surls (626fb9)

  13. For the record, I have had some darned nice conversations with nk, and received some truly patient and lengthy advice on firearms. So I sure don’t want to battle.

    I hope we can all agree that Helen Thomas was profoundly stupid to say what she did. And she isn’t some undergrad without knowledge of history.

    She was there for the Holocaust. Which is why the comments were so indefensible.

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  14. I did the phrase without quotes and got 40,100 results.

    aunursa (484069)

  15. The Flotilla Choir had a video up that You Tube pulled down, but others including myself put it back up.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  16. She is a fellow female and needs defending unlike Palin who is satan.

    HeavenSent (a9126d)

  17. I have a feeling that Eleanor Clift’s family is googling like crazy, anursa.

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  18. “It’s easy to check. Just Google “Israeli Parliament”.”

    Did Helen Thomas say something about the Israeli Parliament? What did I miss?

    daleyrocks (1d0d98)

  19. I would not choose this hill to “die on” 41,700″ or whatever number…

    Obviously, she did not use quotes (“”) for her results.

    And after watching Climategate on Google climb up and down so much (and was auto-suggested, then for week(s) not auto suggested)–it was obvious there was some data manipulations going on… Could have been aggregation issues between 100’s of search bots or it could have been manual/political.

    Obviously, none of us have any access to Google’s internal search rules–but they do seem to do “goofy” stuff based on political bent (left/right). Kind of like Youtube that “sticks” on ~300 views with 2,000+ comments for hours/day.

    So–I can believe that her unquoted search did return what she said at the time the article was written.

    BfC (5209ec)

  20. nk, Israel is both a Jewish state and a democracy.

    It chooses its parliament (Knesset) with proportional representation as opposed to single member legislative districts in the US and other English speaking democracies.

    I know that you know the difference, but for the benefit of anyone who relies solely on the LA Times for information, in the US legislative districts encompass a specific geographic area. The candidate who gets the most general election votes in that district wins. It doesn’t matter what percentage of the total votes cast the winner gets.

    In Israel there are no legislative districts. There are slates of candidates representing the various political parties. If one party gets 25% of the vote, it gets 25% of the seats in the legislature and so on for all political parties with each party that gets a minimum number of votes guaranteed at least 5 seats. This makes it necessary for a government to be formed via a coalition.

    The final votes for the formation of a government usually come from the religious parties, not what you called the militaristic ones. In Israel questions of personal status (marriage and divorce, inheritance, etc.) are left to the three religious communities in Israel–Jewish, Christian, Muslim. The religious parties are usually concerned with preserving their authority in those spheres against secular encroachment and less concerned with “things of this world.” Thus they are willing to provide votes for either Labor or Likud.

    Stu707 (0981d5)

  21. “I want to see the other face of Islam,” she says. “But first I’d have to dig through all the bodies.”

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    daleyrocks (1d0d98)

  22. I just did a google for “good riddance to Helen Thomas” without the quotes and got 16,800. Google can pretty finicky about search return results.

    Newtons.Bit (1e74c8)

  23. What did Thomas do besides be a woman(?) to deserve the accolades people like Clift give her? Was she involved in the Pentagon Papers or Watergate? Jack Anderson would break more stories before lunch than Thomas has in her life.

    Clift should sell her glasses or hearing aid since she is the only one that heard Thomas mention the settlers.

    And all those “ultra militaristic” parties must be composed of the Arabs in the Israeli Parliament. Funny how a Jewish government allows Arabs in the government. But then there must be a lot of Jews in the Egyptian government or the Syrian government or the Jordanian government. Maybe Saudi Arabia allows Jews in their government. C’mon nk, tell us about those open minded Arabs.

    MU789 (0b69bd)

  24. She was talking about the settlers, and if she had said they should go back to Brooklyn, where many of them are from, she probably wouldn’t have made news.

    Clift also said: “Some of my best friends are Negroes.”

    Mark (411533)

  25. I went through the first five or six pages of comments on the Eleanor Clift column, and for what it’s worth it appears that hardly anyone is buying her lame defense of Helen of Troll.

    JVW (36eb17)

  26. She is a role model, and a friend, and as she is being pilloried for voicing an unpopular opinion.

    Role model of bigotry, yes. It’s interesting that Clift also gives tacit approval to Thomas’ hate by minimizing and calling it simply ” an unpopular opinion”.

    Dana (1e5ad4)

  27. And you-know-who was a vegetarian, and opposed animal experimentation (except when the animals were Jews).

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  28. I would not choose this hill to “die on” 41,700″ or whatever number…

    The point isn’t really the discrepancy between one number and another if you don’t use quotes, so much as it is that she obviously didn’t use quotes — which means any result that has all those words in it would count.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  29. “Eleanor Clift: Left wing whore.”

    41,700 hits and counting.

    Arizona Bob (e8af2b)

  30. Anyway…the good news is is that Helen Thomas is gone. The bad news is is that there’s a zillion more Helen Thomas in the journalism biz, so nothing’s going to change.

    Luckily, thanks largely to the internet, guys like Helen or Dan Rather are always getting busted nowadays, so that’s a big improvement over the good old days when lefty papers and television had a lock on information flow.

    It’s a lot harder for them to lie or cover stuff up…and get away with it.

    Dave Surls (626fb9)

  31. AZ Bob’s google search without the quotes:

    About 101,000 results (0.29 seconds)

    More than the point about Ms. Helen.

    Cool 😉

    BfC (5209ec)

  32. Patterico @#28: I think we all need to agree that Eleanor Clift is a little hazy on this whole “google” thing. My guess is that she bought WhiteOut with her first computer.

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  33. There’s also the fact that Google’s search results numbers are very, VERY approximate. I have personally seen a search result estimate (several years ago, so they may have changed their system since then) that estimated a very large number of results – more than 10,000, more than 100,000, I don’t know exactly how many. I clicked on the “next 10 results” button once, and again, and again, and again… and eventually hit the END of the results after only 417 results or so. That’s not the exact number — this happened years ago, so I don’t remember the details, but I do know that it was something TOTALLY unconnected to their initial “about X hundred thousand results” number.

    Having done some database work on large-ish data sets, I can understand why Google does this. To return results in 0.43 seconds, you can’t do any kind of accurate estimate. You just have to do some rough sort-of-ballpark wild guess, like taking the average fraction of keywords found in your first 1,000 records and extrapolating. (“I found the keyword in 0.05% of the first 10,000 records, so extrapolating to the 68 million records I know about, that would be about 34,000 results.” And so Google displays “records 1-10 of about 34,000 results”. But if you click “next” a couple of times, it allocates more priority to refining your search results and eventually comes up with a better answer for you.

    Disclaimer: I don’t work for Google and have no actual knowledge of their internal code. The above is pure speculation. I am a computer programmer and do this for a living, though, so it’s informed speculation. What is not speculation on my part, though, is that you cannot rely on Google’s “X thousand results” numbers for anything, at all, ever.

    Robin Munn (ec17dd)

  34. What is not speculation on my part, though, is that you cannot rely on Google’s “X thousand results” numbers for anything, at all, ever.
    FIFY.
    Bing!

    either orr (7cffdd)

  35. I’m actually leery of Bing because it’s owned by Microsoft and Gates is a HUGE liberal (who likes to acquire information in “interesting” ways). I own a PC with windows because that’s what I started on, but I won’t run Internet Exploder because it is a piece of MS junk.

    I do use Google because I don’t know of a quality alternative (and Bing doesn’t do it for me).

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  36. I have an extremly unusual name IRL (to the point that a site which purports to tell you how many people share a certain name in the US states I am the only one in the US), but if you google my name you will get anywhere between 30,000 and 70,000 hits.

    I once went through the first 1000 or so and found only one that referred to me, though several were references to my grandfather, who shared my name.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  37. I get 40,800 without the quotes. And most people don’t use quotes because it eliminates close matches (relying on the rest of the algorithm to push silly matches off the first pages).

    Yes, this means that it counts “Goodbye Media Whore! Good Riddance!” AND “Helen Thomas” in the same article (hit #580 or something), but I don’t think that invalidates the point.

    Kevin Murphy (5ae73e)

  38. I don’t see why the invective; this is just the Washington elite circling the wagons. It’s to be expected, like a cat killing birds. Nothing to get upset about.

    And nothing compared to the screeching that we’ll here come November.

    Kevin Murphy (5ae73e)

  39. um, hear.

    Kevin Murphy (5ae73e)

  40. I got 18,100 results for the Helen Thomas line with out quotes, 499 with quotes.

    (OT – Tried my name with out quotes again and got 333,000 hits. By selecting the sugggested alternate spelling of the first name it goes up to 402,000, many of the hits in the first search also have the alternate spelling. Google seems to be all over the map on numbers.)

    Point – Typing in “good riddance to” and checking what Google gave me for suggested searches, the only on that has any political meaning was “good riddance to Clinton gun ban”. And most of those links seemed to be to sites supporting the ban.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  41. she is not stupid. claiming anti-semitic ideas right from tv screen, she expected to get support from many others who shares her ideas about this subject, which actually perfectly describes the situation with antisemitism in usa.

    arella@israel (d8ec9d)

  42. and it reminds me of 1939-those time it was huge economical crises in the world which provocated serious growth of antisemitism

    arella@israel (d8ec9d)

  43. Is it in poor taste for me to say that I think Tony Snow did an admirable job for a wretched administration, and I admire and respect him for all he went through, but nevertheless, he seems to be the model for Max Headroom?

    (I also think he is far more charming and interesting than most of the other people who’ve been in his position, geez, I voted for Obama, but that Robert Gibbs guy, phew.)

    anon (5456de)

  44. Clift should take a cue from the style of Ear-more Leader, and throw Thomas under the bus.

    Icy Texan (2196ff)

  45. As of 0659 Real Time, a Google search for “good riddance to Eleanor Clift” yielded 156 hits. You’ll be happy to know that you were on top.

    The Dana who can use the internets Al Gore invented (3e4784)

  46. nk wrote:

    What nobody wants to discuss, Patterico, is that the Israeli Parliament is composed of 120 seats. And the most Likud has is 28 and Kadima 38. So they have to make alliances with ultra-militirastic parties, guaranteed five seats each under the Israeli constitution, who make Al Qaeeda look like pacifists, to form a government.

    According to my public school arithmetic, 28 + 38 = 66, or a majority of 120.

    The Dana who can count (3e4784)

  47. I’d be interested to know what parties nk considers to be “ultra-militirastic parties, . . . who make Al Qaeeda look like pacifists.” What are their platforms, and what about their political positions do you think makes them either ultra-militarastic or more violent than al Qaeda?

    This is a serious question, not a rhetorical one.

    The inquisitive Dana (3e4784)

  48. Likud ana Kadima do not coalesce. They are rivals.

    nk (db4a41)

  49. The National Union, Moledet, Hatikva, Eretz Yisrael Shelanu, and Tkuma. Don’t hold me to it — Israel’s weird parliamentary system gives me a headache. Basically, they think God will skin them alive if they don’t make Jerusalem Israel’s capital and they could not care less about anything else.

    nk (db4a41)

  50. What do you get when three Israelis get together? Six political parties.

    nk (db4a41)

  51. As opposed to when it was Labor and Mapam, the coalition that led Israel down the primrose path to destruction, there are no political parties in Saudi
    Arabia as such but if there was, the HisbaWhahhabiya
    would be a major one

    ian cormac (ba1de9)

  52. nk wrote:

    Basically, they think God will skin them alive if they don’t make Jerusalem Israel’s capital and they could not care less about anything else.

    You mean, that’s it? They are concerned primarily about annexing all of Jerusalem — and I assume its outlying neighborhoods — and possibly all of Judea and Samaria, to create Eretz Yisrael Ha-Shlema.

    Seems to me that stops them, at their greatest extent, with the borders of the territories Israel currently controls, at least approximately. I have a bit of difficulty seeing how that compares negatively with al Qaeda, which struck across the oceans at us and is trying to take over the entire Middle East.

    The Dana wondering about the comparison (3e4784)

  53. NK,

    I have looked through numerous comments on this thread. you have never backed up your claim that those parties are worse than AQ. Just admit that you got caught up and went into hyperbole already.

    Patterico

    That line about settlements is the most dishonest one.

    As for Google, i observed widely varying results at times, so I can’t be entirely sure she was lying about that, although it is susicious as f—.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  54. No, I won’t back down on the Jerusalem issue. There are Jews and fundamentalist Christians who think the Second Coming/rapture will come when Jeresalem is the capital of Israel. Hasn’t happened yet because God is saner than they are.

    nk (db4a41)

  55. And some Muslims believe the same goddamned thing — that that dry pile of rocks is a holy place.

    nk (db4a41)

  56. BTW, Netanyahu was a very young lieutenant in the Entebbe Rescue. Yehud Barak, a colonel then, was in charge. I think Charles Bronson played him in the movie.

    nk (db4a41)

  57. *Ehud*, man’s entitled to spell his name any way he wants.

    nk (db4a41)

  58. Always liked Bibi, though Barak was and is, terminally naive

    ian cormac (ba1de9)

  59. Nk

    I am sorry was this comment directed at me and my comment to you?

    > No, I won’t back down on the Jerusalem issue. There are Jews and fundamentalist Christians who think the Second Coming/rapture will come when Jeresalem is the capital of Israel. Hasn’t happened yet because God is saner than they are.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  60. Dana the concrete guy, I think, Aaron.

    nk (db4a41)

  61. No, I won’t back down on the Jerusalem issue. There are Jews and fundamentalist Christians who think the Second Coming/rapture will come when Jeresalem is the capital of Israel.

    What’s that got to do with equating them with AQ – actually claiming they make them look like pacifists? For that matter, what do Christian beliefs have to do with this? You keep bobbing and weaving like a typical lib-psycho, e.g., imdw, myron.

    Gerald A (a66d02)

  62. nk

    you think? its your comment and you don’t know who you are responding to?

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  63. Take it any way you like, Aaron.

    nk (db4a41)

  64. The phrase “good riddance to Eleanor Clift” just delivered 337 hits on Google.

    Loren (af2946)

  65. Transcript of the relevant parts of Helen Thomas conversation follow. She seems to be talking about actions by Israel (although it’s odd why she didn’t say that the people could move back to Israel).

    ————————–
    Rabbi: Any comments on Israel, we’re asking everybody today.

    Thomas: Tell them to get the hell out of Palestine.

    Rabbi: OOOh, Do you have any better comments than that?

    Thomas: Remember these people are occupied. And its their land. It’s not German, its not Poland.

    Rabbi: So where should they go? What should they do?

    Thomas: They should go home.

    Rabbi: Where’s home?

    Thomas: Poland Germany

    Rabbi: (Interrupting) So your saying they should just go back to Poland, Germany.

    Thomas: … America and everywhere else. Why push people out who have been lived there for centuries.

    Jim (87e69d)

  66. Nk

    Well, you care to ACTUALLY back up your “worse than al Qaeda” claims?

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  67. Well, the Israelis are obviously worse than Al Queda for telling Obama of their opposition to lifting the Gaza embargo …. oh, wait, that was Abbas of the PLO.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  68. Who said “worse than al Qaeda”?

    nk (db4a41)

  69. You know what, understand what you want. You can attribute your understanding to what I said and then bite me too.

    nk (db4a41)

  70. “if they don’t make Jerusalem Israel’s capital and they could not care less about anything else.”

    What is the capital of Israel?

    hmm,

    I don’t need to list Al Qaida’s thousands of murders. It’s just not a good way to convey that the Israelis are too violent to joke that they make these butchers look peaceful. It’s not fair, it’s not funny, it’s not true.

    Just admit your joke wasn’t intended to be fair and you realize it’s not true.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  71. nk, those people in your link are horrible assholes.

    And some level of hyperbole about how nasty they are would be funny and fair. And I think some level just falls extremely flat.

    It’s like when Ann Coulter made fun of John Edwards’s girly mannerisms by calling him a fag. It’s just poor communication. With your example, I think you realize it’s many miles beyond the right degree.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  72. They are guaranteed seats in the Israeli Parliament no matter how few they are, Dustin. And no government can be formed without them. That’s what I’ve been nattering about.

    nk (db4a41)

  73. Parts that make AQ look peaceful?! Care to define and identify them?

    Elanor Clift is a lying twatwaffle. That is all.

    JD (0d395c)

  74. nk

    No, you didn’t say, “worse than AQ.” Here is what you really said:

    > So they have to make alliances with ultra-militirastic parties, guaranteed five seats each under the Israeli constitution, who make Al Qaeeda look like pacifists, to form a government.

    Now, quit tap dancing around it, either prove it or withdraw it. Put up or shut up.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  75. Eleanor has been past her “sell by” date for a decade or more.
    Watching her on the McLaughlin Group borders on painful.
    I would buy Newspeak just so I could personally fire her.

    AD - RtR/OS! (780d5b)

  76. nk, I have a problem with that too. Israel is, however, at an extreme situation and many of the problems in their society are reflections of how they are straining rather than outright hatred.

    Veterans in Israel get many good benefits, including some that make it much easier to buy property. Of course, the veterans belong to a certain racial background. It’s not deliberate bigotry… it’s survival reflecting something.

    All the new homes in Tel Aviv have bomb shelters and kids wet their beds years longer than is conventional elsewhere. People are constantly worried about Muslim extremists killing their loved ones. It’s amazing to me how tolerant Israel is. How happy their people seem to be when I interact with them, etc. But there are some cranks and wackos and nutjobs, of course.

    Arabs live a better life in Israel than they live in most places nearby. Is that perfect? No. Acceptable? Absolutely. Israel is in a war for her very survival, after all.

    The very point of Israel is a place for Jews to be able to go when the world does what Helen Thomas types always want it to (kick the Jews out of wherever they are). Of course their government has to have Jews in it. This is racism, I admit. It’s also OK. Only because of the extreme context. Without a Jewish sanctuary, they will be wiped out.

    That’s easy to laugh at because this terrible truth seems to unlikely.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  77. What nobody wants to discuss, Patterico, is that the Israeli Parliament is composed of 120 seats. And the most Likud has is 28 and Kadima 38. So they have to make alliances with ultra-militirastic parties, guaranteed five seats each under the Israeli constitution, who make Al Qaeeda look like pacifists, to form a government.

    Comment by nk — 6/13/2010 @ 7:19 pm

    nk – Your comment from number 2 in this post with the relevent portion bolded. Please show how any Israeli party makes Al Qaeeda look like pacifists. A link to a video taped beheading of a non-believer, carried out by and promoted by an Israeli political party would be a good place to start.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  78. Repeat:

    No, I won’t back down on the Jerusalem issue. There are Jews and fundamentalist Christians who think the Second Coming/rapture will come when Jeresalem is the capital of Israel.

    What’s that got to do with equating them with AQ – actually claiming they make them look like pacifists? For that matter, what do Christian beliefs have to do with this? You keep bobbing and weaving like a typical lib-psycho, e.g., imdw, myron.

    Gerald A (a66d02)

  79. Was just wondering if nk really believe what he says or is just playing the Devil’s Advocate.

    PatAZ (106e22)

  80. By the way, here is NK being extra creepy about “da joooos” in another thread:

    “We have ultra-Orthodox friends. It’s bad enough that they will not even take a glass of water at my house, but what is worse is that when they invite me to their house they will not have even a glass of water at their own house while I’m there.”

    http://patterico.com/2010/06/14/jihadists-idiots/

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  81. and btw, nk’s only citation to try to prove his worse than AQ argument was basically an alleged (and as of yet unproven)incident of a beating to enforce sexual segregation on an isreali bus. its vile if it really happened, but a tad different from intentionally murdering 3,000 civilians.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  82. AW – That is like comparing an apple to Antarctica.

    JD (cc3aa7)

  83. Was just wondering if nk really believe what he says or is just playing the Devil’s Advocate.

    He is clearly looking for reasons to be anti-Israel. His thing on the blockade about ‘Now Israel’s going to cause a problem for Turkish politics’ as a serious reason for Israel to allow the blockade to be violated is a glaring example.

    Gerald A (a66d02)

  84. nk

    The contrast could not be more horrific. A woman is allegedly beaten in your story for sitting in the front of your bus. Horrific, but it kind of pales in comparison to this:

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/05/03/iraq.school.bomb/index.html

    Basically the terrorists built a girls’ school and rigged it with explosives. so the idea was, “come to our school. learn! grow! flower!” and then when they were inside, boom.

    So if anyone is making anyone look like pacifists…

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  85. Ah Elinor “Twit”–just one more reason why Newsweek’s circulation figures are in the tank.

    Mike Myers (3c9845)

  86. It’s been obvious for awhile now that nk has a big problem with Israel – why, I honestly have no idea. He doesn’t like their political system, doesn’t care for some of their citizen’s religious beliefs and/or behaviors, and…that’s about it. He also really doesn’t like Bibi, that’s quite clear as well.

    Dmac (3d61d9)

  87. nk – What is the Israeli equivalent of the Global Islamic Caliphate those pacifistic muslims are calling for?

    daleyrocks (1d0d98)

  88. nk clearly has no idea what he’s talking about:

    Likud has 27 seats, Kadima 28. Not 28 and 38 like he said.

    “The National Union, Moledet, Hatikva, Eretz Yisrael Shelanu, and Tkuma.”

    Numbers 2-5 are all *parts* of the first, which has four seats (conveniently enough). The first (and thus the others) is not part of Israel’s governing coalition. Period. Bibi’s coalition is pretty centrist for Israel.

    The women being attacked on buses is being done by anti-Zionist factions who don’t vote and don’t run for or sit in the Knesset, and would be pretty happy (foolishly enough) if the Arabs took over the whole country and Israel disappeared. The rest of the non-Zionist ultra-Orthodox (similar but not identical to the women-beaters, although there may be some overlap) aren’t really concerned about the territory or Arab issues, and in fact tend to be dovish on those issues.

    Neither Bibi Netanyahu nor Ehud Barak had anything to do with Entebbe. Netanyahu’s *brother*, who was a Lieutenant *Colonel* (not a Lieutenant- he was 32, but Israeli officers are young) was the head of the assault team. Charles Bronson played General Shomron, who commanded the ground operation. Barak and the younger Netanyahu were later in the same anti-terrorist unit, Barak commanding.

    As Ben Hecht once wrote of anti-Semites, “it is comforting to knock dunderheads off their perches, if only in one’s own mind.” I don’t expect nk to admit that he’s an ignoramus, but it’s good to point it out.

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