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Kathleen Parker: Will Folks Is A Good Guy Whose Word I Accept, Even As He Engages in a “Political Rape” of Nikki Haley

Filed under: General,Morons — Patterico @ 6:59 pm


It bears mentioning that the players in this little drama are not equals. I’ve known Folks, a take-no-prisoners political blogger, for years and take him at his word when he says that a story was about to break about his alleged relationship. Recently married and a new father, he says he was attempting damage control when he broke the story himself.

I don’t condone or agree with his decision, but he’s no Marchant, whose earnest confession reeks of the self-service to which he has now consigned himself.

I also know Haley and take her at her word when she denies the allegations. . . . This isn’t only politics at its worst. It’s a persecution, a witch hunt, a political rape.

This is beyond incoherent. Parker is saying: Folks is a good guy who is nothing like that nasty Marchant. Also, he’s a liar engaging in a political rape, as he is claiming to have had an affair that I don’t believe he had.

Parker says she “resisted commenting on the Gores’ decision to split after 40 years of marriage because what possibly could I know?” However, she says, “I reluctantly decided to weigh in on the Haley story because therein lie issues of more general consequence.”

You should have resisted, Ms. Parker, if this drivel is the most insightful commentary you could churn out.

Thanks to Allahpundit.

126 Responses to “Kathleen Parker: Will Folks Is A Good Guy Whose Word I Accept, Even As He Engages in a “Political Rape” of Nikki Haley”

  1. Ace has been all over these slimeballs in South Carolina. They are almost starting to make Lindsey Graham look good.

    daleyrocks (1d0d98)

  2. well, its obvious that Kathleen will never be the new Dorothy…. in fact, would that Dorothy were still here to take her apart in a sentence or two.

    pearls before swine indeed.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  3. Kathleen Parker writes and reasons like MoDo with a lobotomy.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  4. The same Kathleen Parker who won the Pulitzer for her “perceptive, often witty columns on an array of political and moral issues, gracefully sharing the experiences and values that lead her to unpredictable conclusions. “

    Perhaps this is her winning wit?

    Dana (1e5ad4)

  5. Kathleen’s Pulitzer back in April apparently was for incoherence (OK, OK, it was for being an alleged conservative who was spewing a Niagara Falls into her panties over her love of Barack Obama, but really, is this column any much more an example of ideological gibberish than what Parker’s been writing for the last two-plus years?)

    John (d4490d)

  6. Kathleen Parker weighed in on the John Edwards-Andrew Young story to bemoan the fact that Young wrote a tell-all book:

    Obviously, absolute privacy for politicians isn’t tenable, or even desirable, to the same degree that a book author might deserve or demand. In a broader sense, however, the extent to which we feel entitled to another’s private life, disregarding collateral damage to others, is a pox on all our houses.

    After the Edwards’ story, you’d think Ms. Parker would also be reluctant to take the word of a political hanger-on.

    DRJ (d43dcd)

  7. That’s why I rarely believe any claim she makes, including allegedly having talked to Todd Palin, last week, she was given the award for the same
    reason that the Fey one has continued to receive
    awards, clumsy use of a cudgel against the Right

    ian cormac (6fea2d)

  8. Kathleen Parker – if you can’t agree with her, keep reading. Eventually she will take a different position on every issue.

    MU789 (0b69bd)

  9. Some South Carolina politcian aligned with the Bauer McMaster contingent against Haley has been calling her a “f___ing raghead” and later apologizing for using the f word.

    There is an insane attempt to destroy Haley. There was also such an attempt to destroy Sanford, which was helped greatly by Sanford being a jackass. His wife and policy aid has endorsed Haley, Palin has too, because Haley is basically a very smart economic leader who is clearly committed to transparency over the legislature (in particular, roll call accountability for votes).

    It is a huge threat to the state leg if Haley becomes Governor. Folks would not have ended his affair with her 18 months ago and then repeatedly made videos and blogs where he calls her hot and she shivers. He’s some kind of nut, either a stalker or simply dense about interactions with women. The rest of the rabble claiming she’s a manchurian candidate, not a real Christian, a raghead, and the endless sex accusations with zero evidence are pure evil.

    All they really tell us is that pure evil is very afraid of Nikki Haley. I hope people see this attack as something that either backfires badly or becomes the norm. No wonder the good family people who can’t live their lives like some political machine refuse to enter politics.

    If you want to help smash this attack, go to and give her some money. If Nikki can keep the debate on the issues, her record, and her agenda, I think she will win despite the efforts to make this about scandals that didn’t happen.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  10. furthermore, I don’t know if W’s people were really behind the “John Mccain’s adopted daughter is actually his black lovechild!” Attack. I think Bush has proven considerably more integrity than that, and find it unlikely.

    but someone in South Carolina thought that was a great idea.

    There’s a group of people there that really ought to be dixiecrats, or at least Democrats, and certainly need to leave the party of limited government.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  11. Everyone involved in this story is whores, including Al and Tipper.

    happyfeet (682797)

  12. Kathleen really went off the deep end when she felt the tingle go up her leg.

    PatAZ (9d1bb3)

  13. “There’s a group of people there that really ought to be dixiecrats, or at least Democrats, and certainly need to leave the party of limited government.”

    – Dustin

    Sorry, but the Republicans don’t get to offload their trash on the Democrats just because it makes them feel better about themselves. The Democrats have enough trash of their own to worry about.

    Leviticus (30ac20)

  14. Leviticus, you’re right.

    Frankly, the GOP needs to deal with this kind of thing head on. I am amazed this is part of the party. I do think these are people who would have been Democrats but for the Southern Strategy. I felt the GOP strongly rejected them by going in a Goldwater direction with Reagan. But at the state level, and not just in SC, this kind of crap is still around.

    They have virtually nothing in common with what I see as the virtues of the GOP. They want to spend a lot of money and play races against eachother. They want to represent their race factions for goodies and see any money they don’t take and spend as some kind of grant to the original earner. No transparency, no reform, etc.

    I want to identify these good values with the GOP, but that’s very Pollyanna.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  15. Dustin,

    South Carolina as most states have anonymous votes, when its characterized as breaking new ground is sooo much poppycock. Since like forever its been the norm in last I checked at least 2/3rds of the Union since before the civil war – thats a fake attention getting crusade by Haley for briwnie points for a run for state office – cynical and calculated

    Haley has not answered the charges only denied them, this is not sufficient as she hired and worked with the two people making the accustions.

    Its interesting that she as a female is given the benefit of a doubt but a married man with children accused by two (or more) people of having an affair would already be done.

    Also Erick Ericsson of Red State did much much worse to Kay Bailey in Texas – he Twittered that she adopted her children as a prop ro run for office

    The premise that a career politician – which Haley is – is being smeared by the career politico’s that she hired is well – I’m not getting too worked up over it – like it not the first time anyone denied an affair

    But can anyone tell me when they can recall that someone was falsely accused of having not one but two affairs and it wasnt true?


    EricPWJohnson (cedf1d)

  16. Eric, your arguments are terrible.

    As to the idea that legislators should be on the record as to what they voted for, so the people can elect representatives who vote to their liking, do you really think this is a mere stunt?

    It’s a serious measure of accountability. You call it a stunt. I call it a serious step in the right direction. The primary SC politician opposed to Haley’s *long running* efforts to make this reform is the same man, Knotts, infamous for calling her a raghead. Haley is making a policy change proposal. She wants to stick to that sort of issue.

    Her opposition wants to claim she’s not sincerely a Christian because her parent was Sikh. You claim her side is the one with the stunts?

    You claim she hasn’t addressed the evidence that she has cheated. She can’t… there is no evidence. She has specifically said she was been absolutely faithful. It’s very believable and she has agreed to resign from the Governor’s office if evidence ever shows her to be lying about this. There’s really nothing else she can do. She wants to discuss the issues. You claim any male politician would be done if this kind of accusation was leveled against him. That’s not true.

    Sure, she hired Folks a long time ago. Even had phone calls when he was working for her. So what? He’s a wife beating sociopath. He’s proven to have lied about emails from his beaten wife, too. The Bauer staff claim, the other affair claim, is even less believable. There were specific promises from Folks that evidence would show his claims were accurate… he failed to live up to his promise, so only an idiot would believe his accusation.

    There’s as much reason to believe Haley cheated as there is reason to believe you did. It’s a disgusting smear attack.

    Haley has a very strong record, despite your claims, she actually is a professional accountant with a great grasp on the measures South Carolina desperately needs to get out of its financial problems. One of the major ones is that state legislators need to have far less power over localities, and far more accountability for their spending decrees. Corruption is rampant.

    Do you have a solution that competes with Nikki Haley’s? Of course not. That’s why you resort to accusing her of being a whore. You have a track record of making grandiose and *wrong* claims about people who are reformist in nature. Hoffman, Breitbart, now Nikki Haley. You can roll your eyes all day at her agenda. I have no idea why anyone would do that, but suffice it to say that your arguments against her are terrible.

    The people who want Nikki Haley’s campaign to fail are universally bad people. Case in point.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  17. “when its characterized as breaking new ground is sooo much poppycock.”

    By the way, no one characterized it that way. Why do you make stuff like that up? What do you get out of this sort of attack, like asserting Breitbart had some conspiracy to wiretap Senators and was a felon, that you don’t get out of simply arguing your real point of view.

    Also, you’re just plain wrong on the facts. 37 states, by constitution, require a roll call vote before a bill may become law. And other states have House or Senate rules requiring one. 45 states in all. South Carolina isn’t that unusual in that it has a lot of really lousy state level legislators who will abuse the system if they can get away with it. I have no problem with the people of this state, who do not deserve to be lumped in with you and Knotts and other monsters who would try to smear political adversaries with dishonest scandals.

    But on policy, you’re dead wrong. Roll Call vote is a God Given right of the people. We have a right to know who among our representatives voted for this or that law. Even if you were right that this is an uncommonly recognized right, it would still be my right.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  18. I can’t weigh in too intelligently on this, because it is a race i haven’t been following. But I will make a couple observations:

    1) i kind of hate using “rape” as a metaphor because it takes away from the power of the word.

    2) a man claiming to have had sex with an attractive women is about the least reliable claim out there. That being said i totally did Shania Twain. Really. Don’t you believe me?

    As one wag once put it, there is no such thing as an accurate sex survey.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  19. The rape language is pretty lame. These accusations against Haley only bolster her claims that she is the solution to the corruption. It’s empowering rather than vice versa and has lifted Haley to more prominence while shedding light on Knotts and his friends like Bauer.

    Aaron, the politican most closely linked to these attacks is a total non-factor. McMaster, the republican closest to the dominating Haley campaign is keeping as quiet as possible (though I find his policies to be very problematic). has her agenda. I hope you consider checking it out. It doesn’t mention this completely evidence free desperate scandal crap at all and certainly doesn’t cry ‘rape’. She just wants people to consider her agenda and the problems South Carolina faces due to corruption. People can scoff that she’s probably corrupt too, but I don’t think that’s the case.

    Nothing infuriates me more than to see some genuinely normal non-corrupt family person try to enter public service to clean up this mess, and then see a lot of monsters try to destroy these people. No wonder hardly any normal people would consider putting their family through this crap. I really hope it backfires this time…

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  20. The two lowest things a man can do is brag about sleeping with a woman who he has slept with, and bragging/lying about sleeping with a woman he has not slept with.
    Any man who tells you he slept with a particular woman is doing one or the other.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  21. EricPW – Could you please enumerate the states with anonymous voting in their state legislatures?

    daleyrocks (1d0d98)

  22. EricPW – Could you elaborate on how Haley could PROVE she did not have affairs with the men claiming that she did?

    daleyrocks (1d0d98)

  23. This sounds just like that stupid teacher who tried to claim having an affair with Monica Lewinski to take the heat off of Clinton, but in this case it is to put the heat on Haley.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  24. Did EricPWJohnson ever pay his bet?

    JD (b537f4)

  25. “Haley has not answered the charges only denied them”

    how is that not answering the charges?

    Question: “Did you take sleep with that man?”
    Answer: “No.”

    Seems pretty answered to me.

    Sherri (5e3496)

  26. Sherri – You have to live on Planet Delusion to follow his illogic.

    JD (b537f4)

  27. Sherri, you should bet him about something. It’s amusing to watch him bloviate, lose the bet, and then refuse to pay up.

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  28. Oh, and by “him” I don’t mean JD, who is a standup kind of guy.

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  29. Eric, on my planet, a denial is an answer, although maybe it’s not the answer that you want.

    Rochf (ae9c58)

  30. 25.Did EricPWJohnson ever pay his bet?
    Comment by JD — 6/7/2010 @ 7:57 am

    — Too busy dodging snipers in the Kingdom of S.A.

    Icy Texan (6c54f2)

  31. Can anyone provide proof that she hadnt?


    I dont like anonymos votes either – but the CHARACTERIZATION that it was a associated this just this gruop of legislators now in the state house is incorrect – its done by most states including the US Senate on blocking votes, holds and other legislative manuevers.

    My point is that both of these men are exposed to losing their wealth, their livelihoods etc. I strongly doubt they did it to manipulate a govenors race PRIMARY. Nikki Haley maybe the next best thing for SC or not.

    Also an official statement by the US Census Bureau indicated that Okeefe was indeed indicted.

    EricPWJohnson (cd17a9)

  32. Sherri

    700 phone calls SEVEN HUNDRED phone calls? Some are saying there are HUNDREDS of emails.

    Has Haley explained why she called Folks all hours of the night and her SUV was seen parked at his house by others at night on nuerous occasions?

    geez people

    EricPWJohnson (cd17a9)

  33. independent polygraph examiner John Davis said the the test results show no indication that Marchant was being untruthful in his answers

    Is Haley going to take a polygraph?

    EricPWJohnson (cd17a9)

  34. Can anyone provide proof that she hadnt?

    she was with me the whole time.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  35. redc1c4

    Did she really promise to resign if these allegations were proven to be true?

    If so then she must – MUST sue these guys

    EricPWJohnson (cd17a9)

  36. redc1c4


    EricPWJohnson (cd17a9)

  37. This is the same EPWJ who supported that Card Check extreme leftist (for ages) Scozzafava and went on and on about how he had great reason to believe Breitbart was a 10 to 1 sure bet felon.

    I’m thin skinned about this kind of thing, I know, but ordinarily I can just assume EPWJ merely has drastically difference values than I do which cause him to demonize Hoffman and Breitbart and just see the world in a different way than I do. But it’s getting very hard to just brush this off as difference of opinion.

    But it’s obvious now that he’s an enemy of the most basic form of transparency (just knowing what a representative even voted for). Haley already denied any infidelity ever, specifically and clearly (and convincingly to any fair viewer) dealing with all of these dishonest distractions for all time. Even though she did so, he thinks she has to sue. At least in the case of Folks, one of the reasons it’s so obvious he was lying (beyond the fact that he promised to disclose proof and then failed to and has lied so often in other areas) is that his accusations are obviously too vague to sue over. “An inappropriate physical relationship” could mean a hug, or that she slapped him for a proposition. Even if it’s referring to nothing at all, showing evidence this extremely vague accusation is untrue is obviously not possible.

    So why does EPWJ demand she sue over it? Because he hates her. Like he hated Breitbart. He cannot stand the idea that Haley can argue the merits of her agenda. Better to constantly change the topic to this impossible to settle pack of lies. After all, she’s an “f___ing raghead”.

    Even if she had cheated on her spouse, which is just plain ludicrous at this point, it’s clear Haley is far better for South Carolina than those who would use that kind of argument.

    There’s a reason Sanford has high approval ratings despite his jackass behavior. People in SC are sick and tired of EPWJ and Knotts and Bauer and Will Folks. They know what’s going on… anyone who wants to interfere with the pork and corruption and power is going to be smeared. If they have a scandal, it won’t be hidden (of course, if they are part of the corrupt, their scandals are protected). If they are innocent like Haley, they will be smeared constantly.

    I would bet, 10 to 1, and actually pay up because I have a moral compass, that Haley gets more votes in her primary than anyone else. That’s all the rejection of this scandal that we need. Anyone saying she ‘must’ sue and ‘must’ answer whatever the racist pack of monsters lie about can just STFU.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  38. Usually accusers in this type of situation come forward with some type of actual evidence such as rime, place and dates. In this case, what have we got? Zippo! From from people supposedly directly involved instead of third parties. Not credible.

    daleyrocks (1d0d98)

  39. I would love it if Nikki Haley eventually did win a lawsuit against Will Folks and Bauer and Marchent and Knotts and all these other cretins.

    I’d love it if George W Bush won a lawsuit against the truthers, and I’d love it if George HW bush won a lawsuit against those who say he murdered JFK. I’d love it if Sarah Palin won a lawsuit against Andrew Sullivan and if Kozinski won a lawsuit against Cyrus.

    But these lawsuits would greatly help the liars. It would shift discussions to their original lies, many of these folks are poor and thus tortproof, and it’s hard to win lawsuits of this kind, especially when the liars are smart enough to be vague or “just asking questions”.

    The liars would like nothing more than for Haley to drop her campaign and focus on proving her innocence of evidence-free accusations. That’s the whole point: to stop her ability to campaign for reform. It goes without saying that there will be no lawsuit before the general election. It goes without saying that people who say this is evidence against Haley are probably creeps.

    EWPJ, I accuse you of being a truther. You must subpoena Patterico for my IP address and my ISP for my name and then sue me, or we can presume you are a truther.

    And why would anyone pay attention to a truther?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  40. Also an official statement by the US Census Bureau indicated that Okeefe was indeed indicted.

    Someone is, um, on drugs. Or simply cannot admit basic pratitude.

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  41. EricPWJohnson – Did you pay your gambling debts yet?

    I heard that someone accused you of molesting underage goats. Prove that you did not. The burden of proof is on you.

    JD (b537f4)

  42. JD, the fact he has not immediately responded to your serious charges means something. Also, didn’t the Census Bureau confirm this accusation?

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  43. I heard that someone accused you of molesting underage goats. Prove that you did not. The burden of proof is on you.

    Have you ever heard of a situation where someone was accused of molesting underage goats and it turned out not to be true?

    Patterico (c218bd)

  44. Not once, Patterico. These are serious charges.

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  45. Is there a Goat Anti-Abuse Agency?

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  46. Have you ever heard of a situation where someone was accused of molesting underage goats and it turned out not to be true?

    Once, but involved a congresscritter on meth, a serial sex offender, and a scorned spouse. It was ugly.

    JD (b537f4)

  47. Maybe he could take a polygraph test. Or should it be the goat?

    Speaking of which, remember “My Little Goat”? I am very suspicious of this person. Connect the dots; there is a conspiracy.

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  48. Hey, EPWJ, I am a Christian since grade school and was a virgin-by-choice until I was 20. I went to public schools. Can you think of any false allegations I may have had to suffer through during my high school years? And can you think of ways to prove those false allegations, well, false without violating my principles?

    Face it, EPWJ, you are a blow-hard who very clearly lost a bet and you have no intent on paying off. In other words, you are a pathological liar and a political hack. That is your pedigree. And, quite frankly, your pedigree is flea-bitten.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  49. Has Breitbart been indicted yet, EricPWJohnson. A simple yes or no will suffice. Actually, it should be followed with your acknowledgment that you are ignoring you known gambling debts. It will make you feel better to acknowledge your problem.

    JD (b537f4)

  50. I thought it was “My Pet Goat”, which I have heard that EricPWJohnson authored, and was a tribute to his first true love. I do not know if that is true, I was just told that. He should sue me so he can prove me wrong. It is the only way.

    JD (b537f4)

  51. JD, why would someone make such an accusation, if it was not true?

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  52. I have no opinion on Nikki Haley at all. However, I do have an opinion on the value of the word of EricPWJohnson.

    Any guesses?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  53. Eric – Maybe the accuser was jealous, or secretly pining for the goat?

    SPQR – Robert Downey Jr, Andrew McCarthy, and Jamie Gertz made a movie about his level of credibility.

    JD (b537f4)

  54. Alright you’re having maybe a little too much merriment at EPWJ’s expense, but the main point
    is Parker’s apparent inability to see through a dirty trick like that. What is the proper reaction
    when someone for reasons unclear, is just lying
    indiscriminately about you. Polygraphs don’t work
    because like like George Costanza said “it’s not a lie, if you believe it”

    ian cormac (6fea2d)

  55. Parker couldn’t see through a freshly washed window, ian.

    JD (b537f4)

  56. Ian, it is just Teh Narrative. Why, Paul McCartney, just the other day, advanced the idea that GWB didn’t read and was stupid.

    Even though I can promise you that GWB has read more books than Paul McCartney.

    Teh Narrative rules all.

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  57. That’s obviously clear from all my previous statements on her, but I was arguing what is the response that someone like Haley should attempt

    ian cormac (6fea2d)

  58. There is no good response to scurrilous gossip, Ian. It’s like the old saw “when did you stop beating your wife?” No response is helpful.

    But the person asking the question? Much becomes clear about them. And didn’t our friend Alinsky have some things to say about accusations against opponents?

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  59. ian – I think Haley’s response has been more than sufficient at this point. Should one of her accusers actually produce evidence of said tryst, then she will have to address it further, obviously. But at this point, you have 2 people lacking in credibility and associated with her political opponent making unsubstantiated smears.

    JD (b537f4)

  60. #59 Eric Blair:

    Even though I can promise you that GWB has read more books than Paul McCartney.

    I’d be willing to wager that GWB has read more books than Sir Paul and the O!ne combined.

    That particular wager being a little difficult to quantify, I’d be willing to reduce the terms to just GWB having read more books during his first year as President than the O!ne has.

    EW1(SG) (edc268)

  61. EW, I am away from references, but I remember reading an article about GWB’s reading habits. There was also a great story—I wish I had a reference—about Adlai Stevenson being “sold” as a great intellectual, but in his home, he had a book he had written and the New York Social Register. Probably an exaggeration about old Adlai, but it wasn’t far off the mark.

    With GWB, people make a fundamental error: they paint him as stupid but nice. He was neither. GWB is pragmatic and smart and driven. He does what is necessary by his lights.

    Look at the abuse he has received, and I don’t recall him saying much about it. We have already seen how our new POTUS handles criticism, haven’t we?

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  62. Stevenson was that generation’s version of Obama. well he was more a reform politician, absent the extraordinary events of the fall of ’08, he would not have gotten elected, he presented himself as John Hawk during the Missile Crisis, in part to compensate for his bad call during the Bay of Pigs

    ian cormac (ba1de9)

  63. This is just another strong indication that EPWJ operates in an alternative, chemically enhanced, reality.

    AD - RtR/OS! (a0fcb6)

  64. I did sell goat cheese and milk once – I do confess……

    JD, you lost whatever bet you dreamed up – he was indicted according to the government

    It’s interesting that there are comparisons here with the accusations by Linda Tripp and Monica Lewinski vs the two politicos who seem to have evidence that is somewhat compelling against Haley.
    I see in the internet that people are excoriating the men for telling, conservatives and libertarians are saying it doesn’t really matter, it a private affair, however it was the liberals who were saying the same thing during the whole “I didn’t not have sex with that woman” Clintonian faceplant
    Now Haley has made it an issue and she is solely responsible for this whole mess. Anyone running for office knows very well that working relationships can blend into gray areas. Will Folks was obvious, instead of managing this – she tried to deny, deflect, and attack the person(s) who may have done nothing more than simply tell the truth. One person has been fired, probably will never work again in their chosen profession, but strangely enough, passed a rigorous lie detector test in front of the media.
    Haley has done nothing to dispel these rumors – offered no emails showing that they were work related, showed no phone records of Folks calling her and not offered any receipts that she was not staying in the same hotel as Marchant. Furthermore, she did a Gary Hart, literally egging the media on to find dirt on her and if they did would resign as governor.
    To me she’s mishandled this, and its telling how well she will handle being a governor.

    I guess the point is this, she is going to have to face this – I still find it unusual that we automatically believed Linda Tripp even before we had the dress (and I do think Clinton should have been impeached and thrown out of office)

    EricPWJohnson (5eecf5)

  65. “JD, you lost whatever bet you dreamed up – he was indicted according to the government

    You bet, 10:1, Breitbart would be indicted.
    You’re lying. I looked it up. I like JD, but I’m hardly his fawning sycophant. He completely hung you by your own rope on this issue.

    You’re constantly trying to stir it up. And I probably am playing right into that be even dignifying anything you say.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  66. No, EricPWJohnson, you will not be permitted to rewrite history here, you made a specific assertion of a particular crime that O’Keefe would be indicted upon – and he wasn’t.

    You will not succeed in shucking off the reputation for ridiculous claims and incompetence that you’ve built for yourself.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  67. Here is the bet. EPWJ says he’ll match it tenfold here. The bet was that Breitbart would be indicted. The payout was to the O’Keefe legal fund through Patterico. Summarized here. After making the initial 10:1 suggestion, EPWJ pointedly ignores committing to or denying the wager for the rest of the long thread, but in no way can it be construed that he was right about the assertion he made. I would contend his 10:1 response constitutes a binding wager that an honorable person would pay off. There is room for a dishonorable weasel to welch however. I don’t really care what he does about paying, but he doesn’t get to rewrite history.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  68. People who reside in an alternative reality constantly re-write history.

    AD - RtR/OS! (a0fcb6)

  69. Maybe that’s the way they conduct business in the UAE, but it seems exceedingly underhanded. Will Folks makes slime molds seem less repulsive by comparison, Merchant more so, if that is possible

    ian cormac (ba1de9)

  70. I am sorry, Gentlemen, but I must disagree here. While he was wrong and being a jerk on that thread, I see no place where he agreed to this bet. His comment,


    I’d rather you donate it to Okeefes legal fund and I will match it ten fold

    You mistake me for being on one side instead of damage control”

    looks to me as an offer to match your contribution to the legal defense fund should you lose, not an offer or agreement of 10/1 odds in a bet. I was not involved in this and don’t want to be but this keeps coming up and so I looked at the evidence you reference and it frankly bothers me to see this. I am not referring to the debate but the claim of a bet and the accusations of welshing. They are not worthy.

    Machinist (497786)

  71. Eric,
    Again I have to take issue with something you post: “Now Haley has made it an issue”. When has she made it an issue? If you don’t like her or assume she’s ‘guilty’ that’s your thing. But since when has anyone ever in this country have to prove their innocence. You want her to prove she didn’t sleep with 2 men (which I wouldn’t even look twice at no matter how much booze I had. I mean have you seen these guys? Yech.) Why is this such an issue for you. The questions been asked and answered, now they need to come up with the proof to refute her. As for phone calls, that proves nothing. All that means is someone called from her house or office to his house or office. Your ‘evidence’ is flimsy at best.

    Sherri (5e3496)

  72. Stashiu

    Eric and JD lost the bet – there actually was never a bet – there was a concern on my part that Breitbart would be indicted if Maselli loaded the hammer which she has done in the past

    She stepped aside as well

    I didnt read Erics comments I rarely do – I read Dustins, Pats, and DRJ and occasionally SPQR

    The fact that Okeefe is now a convicted criminal and is on three years of supervision and according to an official press release or statement by a government official – was indicted.

    So the honorable thing would be for you all to admit yet again you were

    as we say

    and after that last faceplant by Okeefe which BTW – its over –

    So I’m not going to discuss it anymore – because there is nothing to discuss


    EricPWJohnson (5eecf5)

  73. Sherri

    700 phone calls were releases soe say some some say most were made at night

    There are independent witnessess that saw Haleys SUV parked at his residence at night on many occasions

    Another person passed a LIE detector test in front of a media representative (actually more than one)

    Why isnt the media running with the story?

    IS there a democrat opponent waiting in the wings?

    Are the stories with pictures going to run as soon as she possibly wins the GOP nod?

    700 phone calls in one thousand days with hundreds of emails to a guy she doesent work with?


    EricPWJohnson (5eecf5)

  74. EricPWJohnson,

    The bet they proposed referred to Andrew being indited. Had you agreed they would have won. What are you talking about? Okeefe was not mentioned in that bet. You were saying that Andrew was vulnerable. You were wrong.

    Machinist (497786)

  75. EricPWJohnson made numerous ludicrous claims about the Landrieu office stunt and O’Keefe / Breitbart.

    Not a single one turned out to be correct.

    Since then, he’s attempted to pretend otherwise, by rewriting history and moving goalposts.

    But his reputation will not be budged off of rock bottom despite his efforts.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  76. Hey, Stashiu3. Since I am being called a liar now, and it is tough to find archived material, would you please see if you can look for the bet? There is no longer a good search engine for the blog.

    I think welcher boy owes me an apology. I could be wrong about that.

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  77. Oh heck, Stashiu. You did that already. My apologies. This other person is just a jerk. As Texans say, all hat and no cattle.

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  78. Dang Stash, thanks for doing the homework.

    Dead to rights.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  79. Eric

    I honestly dont read rarely read your comments

    Usually you have nothing to say, you bring little facts or research links and your not a liar

    EricPWJohnson (5eecf5)

  80. Except it doesn’t matter to welcher boy, and Stashiu3 can never get that time back. Welcher boy has no shame.

    And let me put it a different way: there are lots of people I would invite into my home to play penny-ante poker. Guess who I wouldn’t trust to pay up?

    What opinion do all of you have on the Poker Party Invitation?

    [note: fished from spam filter. The word poker makes Akismet hungry. –Stashiu]

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  81. Um. EPWJ? You do know how your last message made you look, right? Shame is a word you should know. How about honor?

    Unless you are just a troll.

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  82. Two words explaining #82: beer pong.

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  83. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  84. Mac, that’s why I said:

    EPWJ pointedly ignores committing to or denying the wager for the rest of the long thread, but in no way can it be construed that he was right about the assertion he made.

    Given the context of that thread and his later comments, plus his refusal to retract his claim that Breitbart would be indicted (based on his sources), in the same situation I would have felt compelled to pay off the wager. To continue his claim that he was right and the others were wrong demonstrates his incessant dishonesty. He consistently states opinion as fact, cites evidence that doesn’t support his assertions, and treats others as idiots because they dare to challenge him even as he has been repeatedly proven wrong.

    Scozzafava is a good example. He lauded her for dozens of comments, saying she was such a good conservative Republican. When she dropped out and supported the Democrat, nothing. Everybody else was right and he was wrong, but he will continue to maintain his position. He gets irrational and obsessive when challenged because He Knows Things. He no longer gets any benefit of the doubt from me because he doesn’t comment in good faith much of the time. He certainly doesn’t get to rewrite history and claim he was right about the substance of the wager, even if he never actually committed to it.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  85. Stashiu3,
    I completely agree that he was wrong, was making things up, and was acting very trollish. There is plenty there to condemn.

    Making up his acceptance of the bet at 10/1 and saying he welshed on thread after thread brings commenters I like and respect down to a level that is beneath them. How can they condemn him for making stuff up or rewriting history while doing the same thing?

    There are plenty of things to slam him for. This lowers their credibility. I am sorry to see that.

    Machinist (497786)

  86. Fair enough Sir, I will retract the welch/welsh accusation (not sure which is correct, probably yours) and encourage others to do the same. It was opinion based on how I would look at it if it was me, but you are correct… there is no clear-cut wager.

    EPWJ, you have my unconditional apology for asserting you did bet. I was wrong to do so absent clear evidence, which there is not.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  87. He’s certainly getting no apology from me, given that he’s never acknowledged his false assertions and failed predictions.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  88. When I grow up, I want to be a Machinist or a Stashiu.

    Not that I will, but if I did …

    EW1(SG) (edc268)

  89. He’s certainly getting no apology from me, given that he’s never acknowledged his false assertions and failed predictions.
    Comment by SPQR — 6/8/2010 @ 3:58 pm

    It wasn’t because he deserved one. It was because I did. 😉

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  90. #92 Stashiu3:

    It was because I did.

    Another reason to want to be a Stashiu when I grow up.

    EW1(SG) (edc268)

  91. Machinist, you are a good fellow, and I am sorry if I have disappointed you. But honestly, the guy is just a goofy tool.

    I tried to post this and it didn’t “take.” Machinist, would you invite this character over to play penny-ante poker with you and your friends?

    I didn’t think so.

    The difference here is that, when you disagree with people, you do so with respect and class. And consistency.

    [note: fished from spam filter. The word poker still makes Akismet hungry. 😉 –Stashiu]

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  92. “welch” is listed as an alternate spelling so no foul.

    I suggest a Stashiu3. I am mainly of interest to fossil hunters (I am too lazy to try to spell paleontologist). Stashiu3 is my own hero.

    Machinist (497786)

  93. On topic, why did I have see that Marchant is gay on Allahpundit and not here?

    nk (db4a41)

  94. I certainly interpreted that thread as EPWJ entering a bet. But he finally has come out and claimed he didn’t in this one (perhaps he did in another, but I didn’t see that).

    I understand where machinist is coming from. I don’t want to be dishonest. But there’s a reason so many people understood EPWJ to be saying he would give 10:1 on Breitbart being indicted. The way he made his claims would have made me feel obliged if I were in his shoes.

    I’m just sick and tired of this kind of ‘I just want to hear them deny it’ gutter politics. EPWJ makes claims, often stuff I’ve never heard anywhere and even when I ask him he can’t really explain. Since we’re basically on the precipice of a financial disaster thanks to legislators, and this tactic obviously plays into the hands of the most corrupt, it pisses me off.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  95. One day, EW1(SG) will be Stashiu4.

    I didn’t watch the video at first because the Helen Thomas pic is disturbing. But nk’s right, it’s something we should enjoy. At least there’s some comic relief to our financial collapse.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  96. Dustin,
    He said he would match the contribution to the defense fund at ten to one. How can this possibly be called a bet? He would pay if he won?

    He made ridiculous claims and appeared to be a liar but that is not taking a bet and unless he accepted somewhere else he had no reason to pay off.

    He does have a duty to admit he was wrong, but that only obligates a man with honor. His claims on this thread seem to make that questionable.

    Machinist (497786)

  97. One day, EW1(SG) will be Stashiu4.
    Comment by Dustin — 6/8/2010 @ 4:18 pm

    He can, and already has, done much better. EW1(SG) is like E.F. Hutton… when he talks, people listen. I can only aspire to getting close to Machinist’s level. What you see here is just how he is in real life. True class and intelligence, not that fake internet type or pretentious type that just pretends to have class.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  98. Stashiu3,

    To be clear, I did not see you take a side on this. I was grateful that you posted a link to the thread so we could see what this came from.

    Machinist (497786)

  99. Dustin, it depends on your definition of “is,” I fear.

    A person with honor would write “Well, I am very unhappy with the antics of O’Keefe and Breitbart, which seem close to entrapment to me. I thought for sure that indictments were coming down the pike. Those indictments didn’t happen. Legality aside, I don’t care for guerilla journalism.”

    People who play word games? Not so much. We all had quite enough of that with WJC.

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  100. Mac,

    Unfortunately I did… it was clearer on a recent thread. I should not have projected my own values over a plain reading of what was written, hence the retraction. Just because I would have felt obligated doesn’t mean that he should.

    The links were indeed so that others could draw their own conclusions and, when placed alongside his comments on this thread, clearly demonstrate his attempt to rewrite history about what he had asserted. I consider my integrity remains intact… his, not so much. But he didn’t welsh.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  101. Dustin,
    He said he would match the contribution to the defense fund at ten to one. How can this possibly be called a bet? He would pay if he won?

    I guess I misunderstood. Seriously, it wasn’t my intent to lie about what he said.

    Hey, EPWJ, I have an idea for you.

    If Breitbart is indicted, I will PayPal Patterico some money. Call it 50 bucks. And I will write: “ERIC P.W. JOHNSON WAS RIGHT, AND I WAS WRONG.”

    -Eric Blair


    I’d rather you donate it to Okeefes legal fund and I will match it ten fold


    Perhaps I simply am reading this incorrectly and letting my disagreement color my interpretation. I honestly see this “I will match” as accepting the wager.

    EPWJ has claimed this isn’t what he meant, but this doesn’t impress me considering how he has shifted and rephrased what he’s said many other times. He should have backed out of the bet in that thread instead of continuing to boast he was right and ignoring the bet as though he hadn’t said “I will match”. You have a great point about the defense contributions. Obviously this is a counteroffer rather than an acceptance (However, if he’s claiming to be willing to stake 500 dollars to O’Keefe or Breitbart’s lawyer retainer, that’s probably going to satisfy most folks… he never withdrew that offer). But I’m not talking about law so much as someone boasting about something ugly that he couldn’t back up, but claiming it’s so certain he can wager 10:1 odds.

    It was far from that certain… in fact it was borderline ridiculous even then. but the last thing I want to do is lie about what people say.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  102. EricPW exhibits the same behavior he does here on other blogs. That of presenting unsupported evidence or guesses or opinion as fact, ignoring his prior comments when questioned on them.

    Here is brave Sir EricPW over at Hot Air immediately after the North Carolina AG dismissed the charges against the Duke Lacrosse players:

    “The Lacrosse players had planned this episode, fully intended to have sex with these prostitutes, film it send it across campus

    They are hardly heroes….

    No they didn’t commit rape but their punishment should have been expulsion from the University

    this was against the law and against any code of moral decency

    EricPWJohnson on April 11, 2007 at 10:45 PM”

    He just knows things or is a psychic or something.

    daleyrocks (1d0d98)

  103. I think I see what Machinist is saying more clearly as EPWJ simply saying they should both donate to the legal fund, regardless of the outcome of a bet which hasn’t been accepted.

    I interpreted his silence on the interpretation everyone took in that thread to mean he felt he got in over his head, but I see that I’ve added some content into his words.

    Ooops. I’ll follow Stashiu3’s lead and apologize for doing this.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  104. So he was playing Clinton games. The point, again, is would you trust this character to make good on his verbal agreements? Or would he slice words with a Clintonian scalpel?

    You don’t want me to call him a welter, okay. I’ll call him Three Card Monte, since he is playing essentially dishonest games. And not just on this issue, but on a number of topics.

    It is clear that this guy is, to quote the Texans again, all hat and no cattle.

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  105. “Welter” is funny, actually. I meant to write “welcher.”

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  106. Eric – He doesn’t have the chops to play Clinton games.

    daleyrocks (1d0d98)

  107. The point, again, is would you trust this character to make good on his verbal agreements?
    Comment by Eric Blair — 6/8/2010 @ 4:47 pm

    Not for any reason, at any odds. And I’ve spent far more time discussing him than he warrants. Back behind the curtain for me, for a while at least. 😉

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  108. I respect the heck out of you and Machinist, even if I do not wholly agree with you on this subject. But *that* is what discussion is supposed to be about, I thought. Thanks for your input. You always do a good job of herding cats!

    Whoops. I had to say that. Now you-know-who will appear and begin to say odd things.

    To lighten the mood, go to YouTube and enter “Pinky the Cat.” There is a great video of a police officer describing a cat up for adoption as “lovable,” when the cat is anything but. My sons laugh at the video every time they see it. Me, I cringe.

    Eric Blair (e2121c)

  109. Eric Blair,
    I just saw your above comment saved from the spam filter. I in no way defend him. I pay little attention to his comments as I have no respect for him. That being said, regardless of how little I regard his honor I am certainly not going to damage my own over him. If a man hurts my wife I kill him, I don’t attack his wife.

    My concern was for the people I respect that I thought were making a mistake, not for him. Maybe I’m not being clear.

    Machinist (497786)

  110. In my opinion, according to the results so far and the trends for which areas are reporting, Haley will probably fall far short of 50%.

    Gresham Barrett has a lot of strong support areas that haven’t reported in. I was worried Bauer was somehow going to be the ‘alternative’ to Haley, but apparently his freak show routine has not impressed the good people of SC.

    If this is the case, it will be a very tight runoff. They split the electorate neatly.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  111. Having dealt with frenzied cats I join you in cringing. Even leather motorcycle gloves and jacket didn’t prevent bloodletting.

    Machinist (497786)

  112. I’m sorry, I meant to say that I think Barrett will be the other runoff candidate.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  113. I understood your meaning, Machinist, and I continue to honor and admire your consistent sense of personal ethos.

    As for Ms Haley, it is in the hands of voters now.

    Eric Blair (b09d7d)

  114. Thank you for the update, and the kind remarks, Sir.

    Machinist (497786)

  115. Machinist – I understand your point. I do not necessarily agree, as I have little doubt that if Breitbart had been indicted EricPW would have immediately claimed victory and demanded payment. My memory was not crystal clear, as I recalled him agreeing to 10:1 odds on Breitbart being indicted. In addition, he has had about 850928481639720493 chances to correct the record, or weasel out, or claim that he did not agree to that, and never availed himself of same. I wish I had been here when this conversation was happening, I did not want it to seem as though I was ignoring this, much like how that scrote operates.

    JD (de02cc)

  116. So, in good faith, I will apologize to EricPW for repeatedly noting that he had failed to pay off his bet. I apologize to everyone else here for having the silly idea that this scrotey choad would be honest enough to enter into any kind of a gentleman’s agreement, and I apologize for thinking that he might be an honorable man.

    I do sincerely apologize to Machinist. I believed that he had made a bet, but in reading Stash’s above, I see where he left himself some wiggle room, the kind of room only a dishonest choad would wiggle through. But, I was wrong in how I expressed that, not allowing for the ambiguity.

    JD (de02cc)

  117. I hope that was clear. Direct. To the point.

    JD (de02cc)

  118. JD – I think you make a very valid point about there having been ample opportunities for EricPW to have corrected the record about the bet, of which he availed himself none.

    daleyrocks (1d0d98)

  119. JD,
    You certainly owe no apology to me, Sir.

    You have my respect, for what it is worth to you.

    Machinist (497786)

  120. Machinist – I just apologized to you for my role in giving you the impression that EricPW is a bigger scrotey choad than he actually is.

    JD (de02cc)

  121. I see. Thank you.

    I don’t know if my opinion of him could get much lower. My concern was not for him, as such.

    Machinist (497786)

  122. And that is what I apologized for 😉

    JD (de02cc)

  123. i printed some party invitations on my high resolution inkjet printer just to invite some friends .`~

    Cafe Furniture (4b4b55)

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