Car Bomb Suspect Arrested (Updated)
[Guest post by DRJ]
The AP reports a suspect in the New York car bombing has been arrested trying to leave the country:
“A suspect in last weekend’s failed car bomb attack on Times Square was taken into custody late Monday while trying to leave the country, a law enforcement official said.
The suspect, a Pakistani, was identified at midnight Monday at John F. Kennedy International Airport and was stopped, said the official, who spoke to The Associated Press early Tuesday on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the investigation.
The suspect has not been named. He was being held in New York.”
The suspect has not been named. So where was he going?
— DRJ
MORE: Shahzad Faisal?
UPDATE: NBC News reports the suspect was arrested at JFK Airport trying to board a flight to Dubai. And it sounds like he used his own name to buy the SUV.
Attorney General Eric Holder is heading the investigation, which suggests this is being treated as a criminal matter and not terrorism.
He has been named by the NY Post:
“Shahzad Faisal, of Connecticut”
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/arrest_made_in_times_sq_bomb_attack_SpJXpRSSKG3mVG35jDKUQP
Mike (e71888) — 5/3/2010 @ 10:06 pmApparently he’s a naturalized US citizen. How will they treat him now that he’s in custody? Does he get read his Miranda rights, like the underwear bomber?
Steven Den Beste (99cfa1) — 5/3/2010 @ 10:23 pmHe was dropping off fertilizer for the flower shop at 7th and 46th Streets. The clocks were to make sure he was on time.
Ag80 (f67beb) — 5/3/2010 @ 10:27 pmwell, since he’s an American citizen, i say we just try him for treason, instead of larding up the case with a zillion counts. assuming they got everything right, once he’s convicted, just hang him.
saves a whole lot of time trouble and money, and if, for some reason either the prosecutor or the jury gets stupid, you still have all the other counts to throw at him.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 5/3/2010 @ 10:33 pm“Shahzad Faisal, of Connecticut”
It’s got a nice Republican Tea Party ring to it.
daleyrocks (1d0d98) — 5/3/2010 @ 10:45 pm“Does he get read his Miranda rights”?
Yes. Bush would have given him them as well.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 5/3/2010 @ 10:49 pmWell he ran the authorities raghead trying to find him…I denounce myself as a racist, etc,etc,etc.
gazzer (7588eb) — 5/3/2010 @ 10:49 pmThe system worked, after the fact, once again.
daleyrocks (1d0d98) — 5/3/2010 @ 10:50 pmSDB,
Very good point. He’s a U.S. citizen arrested in New York in connection with terrorist and criminal acts committed on American soil, so it will be interesting to see how the Obama Administration handles this.
Will it be handled by the FBI and DOJ, with Miranda rights and criminal trials? Or will it be handled by the High-Value Detainee Interrogation Group as Intelligence Chief Dennis Blair suggested after the underwear bomber attack? My guess is it will be the DOJ. The High-Value Detainee Interrogation Group has reportedly been operational since February 2010 yet it still wasn’t used to interrogate a Mullah Baradar, clearly a high value detainee, so it doesn’t seem likely it will be used for this guy.
DRJ (d43dcd) — 5/3/2010 @ 11:01 pmI updated the post with more from NBC. I wonder when he bought his airline ticket?
DRJ (d43dcd) — 5/3/2010 @ 11:06 pmI honestly didn’t think there was any question that this man has Miranda rights and should be informed of them.
Perhaps I’m the one who is in the dark on this.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 5/3/2010 @ 11:27 pmif he was a middle aged conservative white guy, he’d already be in Gitmo…. or would be being paraded in front of the assembled media while Ear Leader and his minions denounced the racist teabaggers.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 5/3/2010 @ 11:33 pmTea bagger? as seen at Gateway Pundit.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 5/3/2010 @ 11:34 pmDoes this mean we won’t be blessed with nishi’s presence for the foreseeable future?
AD - RtR/OS! (ad3aba) — 5/3/2010 @ 11:35 pm__________________________________
It’s got a nice Republican Tea Party ring to it.
Most certainly.
However, the part about his trying to use a major, highly patrolled, highly screened departure point like Kennedy Airport and also leaving his name with the seller of the SUV sounds so clueless and idiotic, that the guy in reality has to be a big fan of Obama. He undoubtedly therefore is a registered Democrat too.
Moreover, the setup of the explosive device apparently was so mishandled and botched, it suggests the organizer is a big sympathizer of, among other things, ObamaCare and other big-flop policies associated with the “compassionate” left.
Mark (411533) — 5/3/2010 @ 11:42 pmAlright, matters like this present a major conundrum for me. I would very much like to see this dud treated like a war criminal according to Geneva, as he is deserving. But since he has US citizenship, I have other issues.
Being a Conservative, I am very much a “rule of law” type person, and the Constitution is the foundation of that law (with the Declaration as the footers for that foundation). That means law is above elected officials (like Obama). It also means law is above my own personal desires.
As a Conservative, I believe there is a strong argument to be made to declare the dud an enemy combatant and to treat the dud as such. With his choice to not wear a signifying uniform and his choice to select a civilian target for terroristic activities instead of a military target for military activities, Geneva says put a bullet in his head, nuff said. And at first blush, I agree. But this causes other issues, slippery slope and all.
Communists and statists and dictatorships love having the power to treat people with great disdain, and that’s a real danger in situations like this. While there is a real difference here, most of those on the left, and nearly all “progressives” do not see the difference at all. To grant the State the power here (which I believe the State has) could easily result in opening the door to granting the State that sort of power over everyone in every situation and not merely this situation. And that’s a major issue.
Being a Christian who believes End Times Prophecy is as factual as gravity, I see far more insidious uses and results from explicitly granting the State the power I believe the State has. (See Mark IV’s Thief in the Night and related movies.)
John Hitchcock (9e8ad9) — 5/4/2010 @ 1:05 amNo, Dustin, I don’t think there’s any question, and I’m not quite sure why many seem eager to have Obama suspend their Miranda rights.
Nels (3e56d7) — 5/4/2010 @ 2:02 amThis guy is making Salama look like a genius. Why do I keep thinking this may be a false-flag situation?
the friendly grizzly (660a3a) — 5/4/2010 @ 2:29 amI didn’t detect any zeal from SDB or DRJ, just interest. And I’m not really going into whether he should have these rights. I just believe that legally, he does have these rights.
DRJ pointed out Holder is in charge, which of course is an indication that this case will be a traditional Federal Court case.
Honestly, if we changed our system to have him questioned without an attorney, but somehow also protected his legal right to not give evidence used against him (believe it or not, I think this isn’t even that difficult if you just have a Gorelick style wall between DHS investigator and DOJ prosecutor) I would find that to be an improvement. Or military tribunals for certain actions that perhaps go beyond criminal law in some way.
I don’t see why we have to stick to this system. We have an interest in knowing about this man’s buddies that goes far enough to justify changing some of these rules. I do think all people we hold deserve some kind of habeus corpus hearing and (less than zealous, but honest and loyal) representation, even those caught on battlefields. But some of the changes I’d make are just ridiculous in today’s political world.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 5/4/2010 @ 2:39 amI can’t pretend to know anything about this specific case, but these terrorists fail all the time. In 1994, they tried to crash a passenger jet into the Eiffel tower, and forgot to bring their own pilots. They actually thought they could force pilots to crash a fueled up plane into a building by threatening to kill them. As we all know, they improved their plan.
In Al Anbar, Al Qaida killed large numbers of sunni civilians, expecting the Sunnis to brush that off just as they brushed off Shiite casualties. It was a tremendous blunder that made a huge difference in the war.
I guess I could go on, but these people are not very smart and screw up all the time. Someone wondered if this man had intended to martyr himself, and somehow the bomb started going off early. Perhaps this is a false flag, but don’t ignore the possibility that this is yet another Al Qaida mistake. They only have to succeed once in a while to terrorize us.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 5/4/2010 @ 2:47 amArrested boarding a flight to Dubai. Who knew they had klan meetings in Dubai?
DavidL (e74857) — 5/4/2010 @ 4:34 amLol, Dustin, it’s the more upscale branch, it’s not reassuring that the first time we catch on to him, is the burning Pathfinder, and then almost gets away clean.
ian cormac (865b4a) — 5/4/2010 @ 4:48 amPashaG predicted this:
Probably a home grown local islamic radical from earlier reports of a similar attack on Times Square this year. The target was probably Times Square in general and a recruiting center in particular. The perpetrator is likely a new immigrant 20-30 year old middle eastern male (Pakistani probably, maybe Lebanonese).
Anyway, lets see. Obviously this guy was off the home land security radar–probably acting fairly alone checking design of bombs on internet hot spots. He probably does not have access to an area to test the explosives, little connection to professional terrorists except through propaganda. Otherwise the device would have worked.
Lets see. What would be the lesson? I suppose it is that we can expect more of the same in the future.
Comment by PashaG — 5/1/2010 @ 11:00 pm
Very good, da?
PashaG (537119) — 5/4/2010 @ 4:49 amI’m not assured that it was this guy’s imcompetence
ian cormac (865b4a) — 5/4/2010 @ 4:59 amthat prevented Times Square, from becoming a scene
out of “the Siege”
Mmm, immigration riots. Jihadist terrorists. Clearly the people opposing health care reform are just… dangerous.
Again, go to http://everyonedrawmohammed.blogspot.com/ and give a terrorist the finger today!
And JD your pic is up.
A.W. (e7d72e) — 5/4/2010 @ 5:42 amJD, and if you are having trouble finding it, yours is here: http://everyonedrawmohammed.blogspot.com/2010/05/another-cartoon_03.html
A.W. (e7d72e) — 5/4/2010 @ 5:45 amDustin
You took the words out of my mouth on the eiffel tower. as in, i have literally said that to dozens of people. i add that they also stupidly took over the plane on the ground allowing french commandos to storm the plane. That is right, they were so dumb, the french outsmarted them. i mean every time they run the fireworks are EuroDisney, half of france surrenders, and still they beat these idiots.
Our enemies aren’t smart. they are determined. and that’s what makes them dangerous.
A.W. (e7d72e) — 5/4/2010 @ 5:54 amHe bought the SUV on craigslist without a waiting period or background check.
He used the “Car Show Loophole”.
When do you think Bloomberg will start up a “Mayors against Pakistanis buying SUV’s for Carbombs” group? Or sending PI’s to illegally buy cars for publicity stunts?
SPQR (26be8b) — 5/4/2010 @ 6:30 amDon’t give him any ideas
ian cormac (865b4a) — 5/4/2010 @ 6:34 amAs long as our “leaders” like Bloomberg refuse to call the terrorist perps for what they are (it’s called Islamic Terrorism), we’ll continually be put into harm’s way as a result of their infantilization of the US public.
Dmac (21311c) — 5/4/2010 @ 6:51 amWould someone throw Bloomberg’s words back at him: “It might be someone mad at the health care law.”
Political correctness means you can demonize Americans but not Muslim terrorists.
Maybe it is because half of Obama’s family is Muslim?
Arizona Bob (e8af2b) — 5/4/2010 @ 6:59 amFaisal’s own personal form of protest against too much salt in American food is understandable.
GeneralMalaise (33f99a) — 5/4/2010 @ 7:04 amwell, equally shameful is the failure of NY authorities to arrest anyone from revolution islam. extortion is NOT protected speech.
A.W. (e7d72e) — 5/4/2010 @ 7:11 amBombs are not that easy to build and set off. I think this was a close call but we will find out eventually. It will be interesting to find out who he was talking to. Remember that Ramzi Yousef was sent over by KSM to provide some professional supervision to the blind sheik’s mosque home grown group. The future for al Qeada is this sort of decentralized network with mostly local jihadis, like Major Hassan at Fort Hood.
[note: released from moderation. –Stashiu]
Mike K (2cf494) — 5/4/2010 @ 7:11 amThis habit of nothink is catchy;
http://weaselzippers.us/2010/05/04/democrat-rep-nadler-speculates-right-wing-behind-ny-car-bomb-attempt/#comment-161263
ian cormac (865b4a) — 5/4/2010 @ 7:15 amhttp://everyonedrawmohammed.blogspot.com/2010/05/another-cartoon_03.html
This is a thing of beauty, a sight to behold 😉
Has nishi the genocidal liar been by the admit how wrong wrong wrong it was in blaming this on the teabaggers? Have any reporters gone back to Bloomberg and Nadler and asked them to comment on how wrong wrong wrong they were?
JD (cc3aa7) — 5/4/2010 @ 7:31 amI assume that question is rhetorical, JD. Asking the lamestream media to actually do their jobs for once in their lives is akin to asking an elephant to tap dance.
Dmac (21311c) — 5/4/2010 @ 7:37 amJD you should check out the youtube i linked to. off topic, very wrong, but very funny.
A.W. (e7d72e) — 5/4/2010 @ 7:52 amApparently he’s a registered Democrat! (righwingpundit)
Can’t wait to see the media report on that….waiting…waiting…
Patricia (160852) — 5/4/2010 @ 7:57 amPatricia – That was a given. If he was a registered Republican that would have been the lead on every news channel in the country.
JD (cc3aa7) — 5/4/2010 @ 8:02 am#’s 38 and 39… Spot. On.
GeneralMalaise (33f99a) — 5/4/2010 @ 8:13 amCan I decapitate him on YouTube so then I can post it on http://www.christianrevolution.com so I can sell plastic crosses?
Oh wait, this is the religion of peace that only has license to do so.
Alluh Akbar.
HeavenSent (a9126d) — 5/4/2010 @ 8:14 amIt appears the man’s home was in foreclosure…
How many other ticking time bombs are out there?
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/times.square.car.2.1673653.html
GeneralMalaise (33f99a) — 5/4/2010 @ 8:17 amMan facing foreclosure locks self in home…
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100504/NEWS16/5040408
Quick!… somebody call the bomb squad!
GeneralMalaise (33f99a) — 5/4/2010 @ 8:19 amGeneral
you might have the causation wrong. maybe he had decided not to make payments on his house because he was leaving the country anyway.
i mean he did buy the SUV with cash…
A.W. (e7d72e) — 5/4/2010 @ 8:45 amupdate. bomber confessed? said he is a lone wolf?
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE6410CK20100504
A.W. (e7d72e) — 5/4/2010 @ 9:14 amA.W. – Funny how CNN tried to insinuate that this was a result of the stress of foreclosure. I have read lone wolf, and also read that at least 1, and as many as 8, have been arrested in Pakistan.
JD (cc3aa7) — 5/4/2010 @ 9:16 amIt seems he had two college degrees from Univ of Bridgeport (I think that was it). Wonder who paid for those. Will probably find out about the same time we find out who paid for Obama’s.
PatAZ (9d1bb3) — 5/4/2010 @ 9:19 amJD
i don’t know why the concept of him being a “lone wolf” is suppposed to comfort us.
Oh, acting independantly, he tried to kill a few hundred people. and that guy over there, the undie bomber, another lone wolf, and the shoe bomber and so on. Isn’t it comforting to know that pretty much any random muslim might suddenly decide to start killing?
why the media an officials in charge are so eager to BS us about this is beyond me.
A.W. (e7d72e) — 5/4/2010 @ 9:20 amHe wasn’t going to blow himself up at the same time? Probably cuz he lacks proper health coverage for suicide!
ras (88eebb) — 5/4/2010 @ 9:21 amIf you think this Administration is not talking out of both sides of its mouth …. The Empty Suit would love for us to hate all Muslims while we ignore that he is an incompetent jerk and the teleprompter-reading marionette of Axelrod and Emanuel.
nk (db4a41) — 5/4/2010 @ 9:28 amCame back after 5 monthes in Pakistan, like Mutallab in Yemen, not a lone wolf
ian cormac (865b4a) — 5/4/2010 @ 9:28 amOn something dustin discussed above, after points by DRJ and redc1c4-
Speaking from “common sense” and not a lawyer (which are two compatible concepts, but implies I don’t know much of anything that matters here), I would imagine that most times when there has been the charge of treason, at least in the 20th century, the issue of contacts with foreign nationals and national security issues would be common. I would imagine at some level there are two investigations, one focused on the criminal charges to bring him to trial, and one dealing with the international intelligence issue, so there might be some precedent. Whether it is helpful or not I don’t know.
I have heard that he has only recently (~1 year) been a naturalized citizen. Does he get stripped of citizenship if found guilty for treason? Can he be stripped of citizenship first?
I agree that a US citizen committing an act of terrorism (even if a “dud”) on US soil is more of a treason investigation than the actions of a non-US citizen, especially if overseas or in transit against US citizens/interests.
I think it will still be interesting to see if there is any link to the “South Park” threats, as elsewhere I’ve read where the guy behind the web threats was in the vicinity at the time. Maybe he wasn’t involved in setting up the bomb directly, but he may have known about it and found a “legitimate” reason to be in the area so he could take pictures to show the infidels’ chickens coming home to roost for his web site.
And just because he was in Pakistan doesn’t mean he isn’t a Knicks fan who finally went over the edge.
MD in Philly (ea3785) — 5/4/2010 @ 9:36 amBarcky thinks you are all teabaggers. Refute MEH !
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/05/president-obama-gop-opposition-to-stimulus-helped-to-create-the-teabaggers.html
We still await nishi’s apology for smearing Tea Partiers.
JD (cc3aa7) — 5/4/2010 @ 9:37 amResident dumbass at MSNBC Contessa Brewer is disappointed
http://bit.ly/94TROt
Hawkins (1fc204) — 5/4/2010 @ 9:52 amComment by PatAZ — 5/4/2010 @ 9:19 am
I think we’re going to find that a lot of assistance came from the parents of Bill Ayers.
AD - RtR/OS! (b5b5b2) — 5/4/2010 @ 9:58 amJD
the childishness of the left is astounding these days. i think maureen dowd is primarily responsible. I mean this is her thought process…
Bush… bush… more like a shrub!
Rumsfeld… mmm, the first syllable of his name is Rum, so… Rummy, i bet he is an alcholic!
Wolfowitz… well that is easy, his first syllable is Wolf, so i guess he is wolf-like… mmm… Wolfie!
I mean that is the though process. Its like a disney cartoon, where the hero is named James Goodheart, and the villian is Cruella DeVille.
Which is funny, because let’s turn that that around. Maureen Dowd? Dowdy.
Keith Old-er-man. Or maybe “Scold-er-man.”
Harry Reid? More like Harry Red!
Nancy Pelosi? more like Chancey! don’t take a chance with her!
Joe Biden? Biden his time until he is put out to pasture.
And President Barrack… Obama bin Laden.
Yep, and I am sure liberals would say that it is crude and stupid. which is my point.
A.W. (e7d72e) — 5/4/2010 @ 9:59 amHey, JD. I think that nishi has been captured by the beefy guards with butterfly nets.
But since she seems to like to respect Islam so much, perhaps this will give her pause:
http://www.imamreza.net/eng/imamreza.php?id=7368
I look forward to her discussing this with an imam.
Eric Blair (0b61b2) — 5/4/2010 @ 10:34 amI don’t think he’s that much of a lone wolf:
ian cormac (865b4a) — 5/4/2010 @ 10:37 amhttp://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1986885,00.html
EB, I’m disappointed, and I’m sure nishi is relieved, that the punishment for “false witness” is just Damnation to Hell (though that “hung by their tongue” thing would be appropriate for her), and not Beheading – I have to think that the ugliness of her words can only be exceeded by that which spews them; so, Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish!
AD - RtR/OS! (b5b5b2) — 5/4/2010 @ 10:43 amian
well, wolves tend to hunt in packs.
And time to shamelessly spam for my cause. if you want to talk back to terrorists, how about you contribute to “Everyone Draw Mohammed?” http://everyonedrawmohammed.blogspot.com/
A.W. (e7d72e) — 5/4/2010 @ 11:16 amOr maybe that NY is taking salt out of his diet.
quasimodo (4af144) — 5/4/2010 @ 11:35 amArrrgh! Elissa lowers head at her own abject stupidity. Never should have gone to the Contessa Brewer link. Shoulda known better. How can that woman remain employed and on the air as a source of information?
elissa (4eac63) — 5/4/2010 @ 11:48 ami don’t know why the concept of him being a “lone wolf” is suppposed to comfort us.
What concerns me much more is that the hateful nutbag is a naturalized citizen. Wonderful – wonder how many other sleeper cells are being formulated right now?
Dmac (21311c) — 5/4/2010 @ 12:32 pmI also love how we still have no coherent explanation from our betters in the WH and the TSA as to just how this most – wanted list suspect almost got away. Maybe if he’d dressed in a grandma disguise the agents would have caught him while standing in the screening line – but looking somehow Arabic? No way, he passes every time.
Dmac (21311c) — 5/4/2010 @ 12:34 pmDmac – Even scarier is that they did not update the no-fly immediately, and he was able to get through security and onto a plane after paying cash for a one-way ticket at the gate. The system worked.
JD (150c8d) — 5/4/2010 @ 12:40 pmJD, my wife (who works as a flight attendant at American) just loves this stuff. Which translated means not very and what a bunch of numbnuts. The only people who foil these attempted plots are the airline attendants, pilots, gate agents and the passengers themselves, not the worthless drones.
Dmac (21311c) — 5/4/2010 @ 1:05 pmHear hear, Dmac.
SPQR (26be8b) — 5/4/2010 @ 1:09 pmNews reports now are that he was questioned for several hours before he was read his Miranda rights. Apparently Holder invoked some sort of national security exception.
Steven Den Beste (99cfa1) — 5/4/2010 @ 1:36 pmI heard this too. Frankly, I’m damn surprised, but there’s a lot going on here that is being kept from us. The entire idea of this being a lone wolf is an attempt to manipulate and lie to the public… and that’s something our government must not do. Hopefully they are getting on the ball about the severe ramifications of letting another major attack slip through.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 5/4/2010 @ 1:43 pmexploding luggage in Houston airport….as seen on Jawa Report
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 5/4/2010 @ 1:46 pmI mean, the federal government can’t even use the word terrorism or jihad. There are obvious and huge changes from Bush to Obama in dealing with these problems we are pretending don’t even exist with speech codes.
Imagine trying to work on this case in DHS. You can’t even bring up jihad. The word terrorism is politically incorrect. You know there’s pressure to catch domestic white kooks and pressure to convince the people there isn’t a huge organized effort to commit jihad.
We have extremely limited resources to protect ourselves with, and I suspect these resources are hampered with all kinds of strange rules and micromanagement that interferes in countless ways.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 5/4/2010 @ 1:48 pmIf it is true about no Miranda rights, I think I’m more worried about Holder “making exceptions” than by reading Miranda rights to a non-US citizen for an incident on an international flight.
US citizens charged with treason get rights read, don’t they?
It would appear they do make it up as they go along and are overly image sensitive, at the wrong times, rather then principled.
Then again, maybe it’s not true.
MD in Philly (ea3785) — 5/4/2010 @ 2:39 pmred, that report states that the flight originated in Amsterdam. And that’s not the first problem we’ve had with Amsterdam security.
SPQR (26be8b) — 5/4/2010 @ 2:41 pmLet’s see if they Padilla him. They cerainly have a lot more cause than they did with Padilla.
nk (db4a41) — 5/4/2010 @ 2:42 pmMD, they are willing to execute American citizens under the right circumstances, too. It’s touchy. I just notice that Obama lied about his views on this kind of thing in the past, when he condemned the US for air raiding villages and GITMO and the like. Now, he’s willing to go much farther, so he’s coming across as arbitrary and erratic.
We all know what it took for Bush’s efforts to treat you differently. They were clear, whether you agree with them or not. I have no idea if a terrorist will be flown to Gitmo or snuffed out or mirandized or given a show trial with a predetermined verdict or given a million buck trip to Aruba like the Uighurs.
It seems a lot like Obama is playing politics. The question is how far he’ll bend to politics.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 5/4/2010 @ 2:43 pm“…The question is how far he’ll bend to politics.”
AD - RtR/OS! (b5b5b2) — 5/4/2010 @ 3:05 pmJust as all good little Marxist’s do;
when all is said and done, the end justifies the means!
Attorney General Eric Holder is heading the investigation, which suggests this is being treated as a criminal matter and not terrorism.
Wouldn’t surprise me if this is indeed how this whole incident is being viewed…
Blacque Jacques Shellacque (613d3e) — 5/4/2010 @ 3:20 pm