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4/1/2010

Attorney General Releases California ACORN Report

Filed under: ACORN/O'Keefe — DRJ @ 7:12 pm

[Guest post by DRJ]

California Attorney General Edmund G. “Jerry” Brown, Jr. has completed his investigation and there’s good news and bad news for everyone, although in general Brown does his best to bolster ACORN and damage O’Keefe. Here is the Attorney General’s press release:

“California Attorney General Edmund G. Brown Jr. today released a report, including newly obtained videotapes, that shows some members of the community organizing group ACORN engaged in “highly inappropriate behavior,” but committed no violation of criminal laws.

Brown’s report also uncovered “likely violations” of state law, including dumping 500 pages of confidential records into a dumpster, failure to file a 2007 tax return, and four instances of possible voter registration fraud by ACORN in San Diego in connection with the 2008 election, as well as other irregularities in the group’s California operations. These irregularities have been referred to the appropriate authorities.

“A few ACORN members exhibited terrible judgment and highly inappropriate behavior in videotapes obtained in the investigation,” Brown said. “But they didn’t commit prosecutable crimes in California.”

Last September, Gov. Schwarzenegger asked Brown to investigate the activities of ACORN in California. His request was triggered by tapes made by undercover videographer James O’Keefe III that purported to show ACORN employees providing advice on how to conduct a prostitution ring and commit other serious crimes.

But new, unedited videotapes discovered through Brown’s investigation, as well as other evidence, shed clearer light on interactions between O’Keefe and the now-defunct ACORN.

Videotapes secretly recorded last summer and severely edited by O’Keefe seemed to show ACORN employees encouraging a “pimp” (O’Keefe) and his “prostitute,” actually a Florida college student named Hannah Miles, in conversations involving prostitution by underage girls, human trafficking and cheating on taxes. Those videos created a media sensation.

Evidence obtained by Brown tells a somewhat different story, however, as reflected in three videotapes made at ACORN locations in California. One ACORN worker in San Diego called the cops. Another ACORN worker in San Bernardino caught on to the scheme and played along with it, claiming among other things that she had murdered her abusive husband. Her two former husbands are alive and well, the Attorney General’s report noted. At the beginning and end of the Internet videos, O’Keefe was dressed as a 1970s Superfly pimp, but in his actual taped sessions with ACORN workers, he was dressed in a shirt and tie, presented himself as a law student, and said he planned to use the prostitution proceeds to run for Congress. He never claimed he was a pimp.

“The evidence illustrates,” Brown said, “that things are not always as partisan zealots portray them through highly selective editing of reality. Sometimes a fuller truth is found on the cutting room floor.”

The original storm of publicity created by O’Keefe’s videotapes was instrumental in ACORN’s subsequent denunciation in Congress, a sudden tourniquet on its funding, and the organization’s eventual collapse.

In New Orleans, O’Keefe faces a maximum sentence of six months in prison and a fine of $5,000 on reduced federal charges related to misrepresentation in gaining access to the Louisiana office telephones of U.S. Senator Mary Landrieu.

Brown’s report found numerous faults with ACORN’s activities in California, including:

– Failure to “recruit, train and monitor its employees to ensure compliance” with state law.

– Likely violation of state civil laws designed to protect personal information when employees of the San Diego office disposed of 20,000 pages of records in a dumpster. These violations could result in private litigation if any of the victims were injured by disclosure.

– Four instances of “possible voter registration fraud in San Diego in connection with the 2008 election.”

– Failure to file a 2007 state tax return, an omission the Franchise Tax Board is pursuing.

– Sloppiness in its handling of charitable assets, although no misuse of those assets was found. The California Attorney General will monitor investigations into ACORN’s overall finances by the IRS and Louisiana Attorney General.

ACORN announced that it is closing its operations nationwide today. While a successor to ACORN in California called ACCE emphasizes that it is no longer part of ACORN, the Attorney General’s report notes that ACCE is “run by the same people, raising concerns about its ability to cure the defects in the organization.” The report notes that the Attorney General will closely scrutinize ACCE’s operations.

The full Attorney General’s report is attached. The unedited O’Keefe videotapes from California are available on the Attorney General’s website at http://ag.ca.gov/newsalerts/multimedia/index.php. Tapes from other states are available on request.”

A PDF of the AG’s full ACORN report is here and the attachments are here. In addition, links to audio and video regarding the California ACORN office are here. I haven’t looked at everything yet but some things that stand out:

  • That “new, unedited videotapes discovered through Brown’s investigation, as well as other evidence, shed clearer light on interactions between O’Keefe and the now-defunct ACORN.”

    What “new, unedited videotapes”?

  • Brown says tapes were “severely edited by O’Keefe” and also that “Evidence obtained by Brown tells a somewhat different story …”

    Really? I need to read the complete report because I’d like to know what this refers to.

  • Brown says O’Keefe “never claimed he was a pimp …”

    That sounds like a clever, parsing way to avoid saying O’Keefe posed as a pimp.

  • Brown found likely violations of state law, including:

    — “Likely violation of state civil laws designed to protect personal information when employees of the San Diego office disposed of 20,000 pages of records in a dumpster ***;

    — Four instances of “possible voter registration fraud in San Diego in connection with the 2008 election”;

    — Failure to file a 2007 state tax return, an omission the Franchise Tax Board is pursuing.”

  • Brown says ACORN is closing its offices nationwide but also notes that ACORN’s successor organization, ACCE, remains open and “the Attorney General will closely scrutinize ACCE’s operations.”

    I hope he means that.

  • Finally, I’d like to see someone request release of the tapes from other states (the press release indicates Brown has them and that they are available by request), especially the tape that was never fully released because of pending litigation.

    — DRJ

    63 Responses to “Attorney General Releases California ACORN Report”

    1. He’s a total tool. Remember, he is the guy that signed the bill into law that forced every State employee, member or not, to pay dues to the union (and thereby to Dem candidates).

      It was a bonanza, and thus began the downfall of CA.

      Patricia (fa8e06)

    2. ““A few ACORN members exhibited terrible judgment and highly inappropriate behavior in videotapes obtained in the investigation,””

      What a “CROCK”… Moonbeam Brown is a certifiable pro union twerp.

      Ole Jerry is one of the many reasons Kalifornia is F’d up today!

      SteveCan (72a7f6)

    3. He’s probably the next governor.

      happyfeet (71f6cb)

    4. Brown says O’Keefe “never claimed he was a pimp …”

      It’s like having Brad Friedman as the AG.

      No matter. After I vented on the Stage Right show, I swore off Friedman, believing I have said my piece. It’s going to take more than this to get me back on that insane horse.

      Patterico (c218bd)

    5. moonbeam, good little lieberal that he is, has done everything he can to cover for the crooks at Acorn.
      look for the usual suspects here to trumpet this bullsh1t as “proof” that all their specious claims and arguments are true.

      redc1c4 (fb8750)

    6. “Brown does his best to bolster ACORN and damage O’Keefe.”

      You can say that again!

      What does O’Keefe’s January 2010 arrest have to do with a California investigation of ACORN? Plus they managed to get the facts of the arrest wrong.

      There are also plenty of spots where they libel conservatives in general. It’s almost an advocacy piece instead of an investigation.

      daleyrocks (718861)

    7. I need to learn that swearing off trick.

      happyfeet (71f6cb)

    8. Good grief this ACORN report is a partisan hatchet job.

      How can you say a man intends to use his prostitution ring’s profits and then say he wasn’t pretending to be a pimp? How does that work?

      How can you say that woman claiming to be a killer was just ‘playing along’, when she was clearly engaged in typical thug puffery? I saw the videos, and these people should be prosecuted. Hell, for mortgage fraud alone. Wasn’t it in California that they instructed Giles to bury her prostitution profits in her backyard to avoid taxation? Wasn’t it in California that they offered help importing sex slaves?

      And what’s with the Landrieu claims? That’s pretty obnoxious. O’Keefe has never hidden the fact that he, like many journalists, pose under a fake alias when investigating.

      Just another democrat seeing party before duty. I hope this asshole winds up testifying about this report in front of the House of Representatives next year. There needs to be a full accounting of this mess, and how so many democrats covered it up. ACORN knew to operate where it is safe from the law.

      dustin (b54cdc)

    9. Jerry Brown is a dipstick, pure and simple.

      Blacque Jacques Shellacque (5ef35b)

    10. Really want to get rid of ACORN? Someone go hang a sign over their front door that says:

      RIGHT WING MILITIA MEETING RIGHT HERE TONIGHT AT 8PM!

      They’ll be raided and shut down in two hours. Never to be seen again.

      Metallica (bb58d8)

    11. One ACORN worker in San Diego called the cops.

      If I recall correctly, what happened was that one of the ACORN people mentioned it to her brother-in-law, who was a cop, a couple of days after the incident. Can anyone confirm or refute?

      Mike G in Corvallis (70f47e)

    12. I’m watching 40 minute San Diego tape now. Highly edited, not! What a joke. This guy is so busted. Brown is a joke!

      Charlie (03643a)

    13. Refusing to prosecute people conspiring to engage in sex slavery? What did he think those Acorn employees meant?

      EricPWJohnson (95a477)

    14. It’s no shock that there are thugs and corrupt partisan criminals out there.

      What’s shocking is that an attorney general would try to whitewash it, or try to harm a journalist who told the truth. This is an attempt to call O’Keefe a zealot liar, which given the claims he is supposed to have lied about, is a damn serious allegation.

      We know who the zealot is, Brown. And I would bet money the last shoe has yet to drop on this story. They have rope, and they are wrapping it around their necks with glee.

      dustin (b54cdc)

    15. I need to learn that swearing off trick.

      It helps to go on a two-hour radio show and talk about nothing except what a liar your opponent is.

      Once he is ground into the dust, you really feel like you’re done and you can move on.

      I have maybe a couple more two-hour venting shows to do and I could relax and get along with everyone!

      Patterico (c218bd)

    16. Superstar – I went back to listen to the replay. It was fun.

      daleyrocks (718861)

    17. I listened to the replay, too, daley. Your comments were very good and your radio voice is good, too.

      DRJ (daa62a)

    18. “A few ACORN members exhibited terrible judgment and highly inappropriate behavior in videotapes obtained in the investigation,”

      That’s perfectly reasonable, I mean no one has ever said Walmart is a bad company because a few employees have exhibited terrible judgment. After treating similar behavior at Countrywide in a similar lenient fashion Governor Moonbeam would look pretty foolish if he treated ACORN any worse. Sometimes corporations like ACORN and Exxon have a few bad employees and sometimes don’t properly maintain control over them, but surely ACORN as a corporation is as blameless for this as Exxon is for the little accident Jeffrey Hazelwood caused.

      max (383bf5)

    19. Thanks DRJ. I have a face for radio too. Ask JD.

      daleyrocks (718861)

    20. #11 You are correct.

      Brad (2886da)

    21. #20 & #11 – According to the report, it was nine days later.

      daleyrocks (718861)

    22. ugh its now wonder Calif is going down the toilet
      I wonder if Brown would whitewash the gang rapists of the 7 year old little girl in Trenton NJ bad judgemnt is voting for that rat for dog catcher. He is SCUM just like ACORN that is going to morph and emerge with a new name soon

      drone (8c78e0)

    23. So basically, Brad Friedman WAS NOT LYING, right? This is the third separate investigation of this, and they have all found no wrongdoing on the part of ACORN. And the videos WERE highly edited, right? Or are you still going to push those same old arguments that still don’t hold water?

      Chris Hooten (bc3301)

    24. Moonbeam lies and Chris believes him… liberalism is a religion.

      redc1c4 (fb8750)

    25. Chris Hooten,

      this report explicitly notes that O’Keefe’s character was to profit from his prostitutes.

      So obviously Brad was lying. The AG is spinning this, and it’s amusing how close to the Media Matters line he spins it (lazy lazy lazy). Two wrongs don’t make a right. There is no rational way to say that O’Keefe didn’t pose as a pimp and say that he, in pose, used his prostitution ring for funding.

      Show me the “highly edited” aspect. Give me the clip that could possibly change the point. You’ve heard 100% of the audio, or shame would prevent you from attempting that argument, so please, tell me what part you think should have been left in for honesty’s sake?

      The AG mentions that O’Keefe wasn’t wearing the obvious joke pimp costume. Note that this doesn’t help their case that he wasn’t taken seriously (which he obviously was).

      Don’t defend what ACORN did. There are better ways to help democrats get power. Doing anything at random would probably be better.

      dustin (b54cdc)

    26. DRJ said,
      “Brown says O’Keefe “never claimed he was a pimp …”
      That sounds like a clever, parsing way to avoid saying O’Keefe posed as a pimp.”

      What? That does not make any logical sense. If O’Keefe didn’t claim he was a pimp, and didn’t have the pimp outfit on, how, exactly, did he pose as a pimp? Are you saying he played the *role* of a pimp? Because that is not very clear at all when the transcripts are taken as a whole. As a matter of fact he kept changing what he was saying, making it impossible to tell exactly what he was attempting to be. Unless, of course, you selectively cherry pick snippets that support your theory, while ignoring ones that don’t.

      Chris Hooten (bc3301)

    27. The pimp outfit? You seriously think that costume is a realistic portrayal of a pimp? You think that your position is weaker if O’Keefe was wearing that?

      I think you realize you’re lying, and that if O’Keefe met your standard by wearing that costume, he would be laughed out of the office and any videos would be dismissed as ACORN not believing a word he said.

      Are you saying he played the *role* of a pimp? Because that is not very clear at all when the transcripts are taken as a whole.

      Of course she’s saying he played the role of a pimp. He was talking about using child prostitutes, which ACORN offered to help him acquire and gave advise on how to hide and abuse, and Giles, for money. What in the world do you think that means? ACORN repeatedly instructed them to not refer to their behavior blatantly. They had all kinds of euphemisms for prostitution. Of course O’Keefe was not going to say “I am a pimp”. Pimps do not actually walk around saying that, handing out business cards.

      You’re aware that you’re being dishonest.

      But anyway, you make a specific factual claim, that you are specifically aware of O’Keefe “changing what he was saying” in such a way that would contradict “what he was attempting to be”. What line on which transcript backs up your claim? Just paste that on in here. That’s a surprising and stunning development.

      AG Brown is clearly an ACORN shill. that’s not surprising, since ACORN is simply an operation with the singular goal of electing politicians like Brown. So his name is mud. Back up your claim with evidence.

      dustin (b54cdc)

    28. Dustin, ACORN didn’t do anything. I don’t need to defend them. That is what the report states. Maybe you feel differently, but you better find more reliable sources, because this is the third one to find no wrongdoing on the part of ACORN itself. Some people are so quick to believe such a video hatchet-job, and then refuse to accept when it is repeatedly found to be a deceptive hatchet-job. I will take the Attorney General’s opinion over a deputy DA any day.

      Chris Hooten (bc3301)

    29. Everyone seems to not understand the differentiation between the entity ACORN, the separate entity ACORN housing, and the people that actually worked for both of those similarly named, but separate organizations. They seem to mush them all together, mixing references of employee wrongdoing with ACORN or ACORN housing wrongdoing. It makes a nice story but it is completely inaccurate.

      Chris Hooten (bc3301)

    30. Dustin, ACORN didn’t do anything. I don’t need to defend them. That is what the report states. Maybe you feel differently, but you better find more reliable sources, because this is the third one to find no wrongdoing on the part of ACORN itself. Some people are so quick to believe such a video hatchet-job, and then refuse to accept when it is repeatedly found to be a deceptive hatchet-job. I will take the Attorney General’s opinion over a deputy DA any day

      DRJ: there is a technical problem with this website. Chris is obviously trying to back up his “As a matter of fact he kept changing what he was saying, making it impossible to tell exactly what he was attempting to be. ” claim with the transcript, but the website is screwing up and making it look like Chris made a grandiose claim and backed it up with “I don’t need to defend them”.

      The AG notes that O’Keefe’s pose was collecting profits from prostitutes. Chris seems to admit this is reliable and thus obviously is saying Brad’s a liar. But the rest of his message is garbled to make it appear he’s saying ACORN did nothing wrong… this seems to be the exact opposite of what the AG said (that they did wrong, but were not prosecutable).

      The only part of Chris’s comment that is coming through are conclusory statements. I’m not getting the actual justification part.

      I mean, either the website is screwing up Chris’s comments, or he promised some major claims and then instantly backed off to ‘The democrats say this is hunky dory, and I don’t have to justify that or even my comments that go much farther than theirs!’

      Chris, if you can’t point to the transcript or audio, of which the full unedited version is available, then you’re forfeiting the argument to me. I’ve listened to the full audio and read the full transcript. You are wrong. O’Keefe was a pimp, in school, hoping to become a corrupt democrat like AG Brown, with the corrupt back scratching involvement of ACORN.

      It’s not like Brad and Patterico were arguing over what the results of democrat whitewashes were going to be. They argued over whether someone who said he used his whores for profit was posing as a pimp.

      You have lost this argument unless you satisfy my very reasonable requirement. Just paste the portion that you claim to have read showing O’Keefe actually contradicting his pimp pose.

      dustin (b54cdc)

    31. #4 Patterico said:

      Brown says O’Keefe “never claimed he was a pimp …”

      It’s like having Brad Friedman as the AG.

      No matter. After I vented on the Stage Right show, I swore off Friedman, believing I have said my piece. It’s going to take more than this to get me back on that insane horse.

      Comment by Patterico — 4/1/2010 @ 8:00 pm

      It’s “Peace.” You have said your, “Peace.”

      Explanation of why if you want. I am not surprised you have given up on Friedman. He keeps having report after report backing him up, and you don’t have anything.

      Chris Hooten (bc3301)

    32. I was wrong, “piece” is more often used than “peace,” and is technically correct. A thousand apologies.

      Chris Hooten (bc3301)

    33. Chris, perhaps you can back up your claim while showing perfect observation of usage rules.

      I am not surprised you have given up on Chris Hooten’s ridiculous claims. They keep having nothing and nothing backing them up, and you don’t have anything.

      You say the report backs Brad up. Does Brad think O’Keefe claimed to profit off of prostitution revenue? Does he really say that?

      Also, it’s “say your piece” you jackass. “say your peace” is obviously nonsensical, while ‘piece’ refers to the bit of information of statement you are going to limit yourself to.

      Good grief. This really is just about opposing conservatives, isn’t it? You don’t realize that O’keefe isn’t the only dude who walked into ACORN getting help breaking laws. A lot of actually horrible people did actually horrible stuff thanks to ACORN. There’s a reason democrat controlled places are so horrible.

      dustin (b54cdc)

    34. I see you corrected yourself while I replied.

      Why did you even bother with that? What kind of psycho would research a usage rule they are totally unfamiliar with, and then report on some discussion board’s findings (incorrectly!)?

      Just because you think we’re evil, and this is how to deal with that. Pedantic, obnoxious, unjustifiable opposition. Laws shmaws, you know damn well you don’t want those ACORN bastards in your community, helping crack dealers lie on mortgage applications. This is not a democrat vs republican thing.

      dustin (b54cdc)

    35. I calling someone a jackass part of the rules, too? I just want to make sure I follow them all.

      Chris Hooten (bc3301)

    36. I think the main rule is that when you make an unsubstantiated claim for which there is an ironclad and simple method of proving it, you should do so when asked or accept that you just lost the argument.

      Otherwise, this is just stupid screeching on your part, and I’m pointlessly and tediously asking for something I’ll never get our of you.

      The other rule is to not be a jerk. Grammar (usage) nazis are generally idiots and usually compensating for their inability to make a real point.

      dustin (b54cdc)

    37. ACORN bastards? What are you talking about. ACORN has repeatedly been found to be innocent of criminal wrongdoing. Are you talking about ACORN, or ACORN housing? Or do you know? Could you “actually” show some proof of the “actual” horrible stuff that “actual” people did with the help of ACORN or ACORN housing? Oops, I meant “actual” tangible proof. You know, some links to where ACORN or ACORN housing or people dealing with either of those two have been convicted of crimes. Or by “horrible stuff” did you mean things like helping poor people to register to vote (presumably democratically, since that is the way most poor people generally vote)?
      BTW “Psycho” really, is that where we have gone now?

      Chris Hooten (bc3301)

    38. When you make an unsubstantiated claim for which there is an ironclad and simple method of proving it, you should do so when asked or accept that you just lost the argument.

      did you mean things like helping poor people to register to vote (presumably democratically, since that is the way most poor people generally vote)?

      No. In fact, I have helped minorities register to vote. Even ones I know will vote contrary to my views. As a Better Opportunities for Single Soldiers rep, I helped several member of my Battery register to vote. Most of the ones who were not already registered were minorities and most of them were democrats. Unlike some organizations, I would never destroy the opposing viewpoint’s registration, btw.

      Since you decided to make this a personal attack against me after making a pretty stupid attack on Patterico’s usage.

      I think you know what I meant by horrible stuff. ACORN, of course, is being kicked out of states for horrible stuff. They are being/have been prosecuted for voter fraud.

      I guess the problem is that I only registered my friends one time each.

      I should add, ACORN themselves admitted what they did was wrong, firing people. Sure, they spin that now, but obviously they saw things done that were horrible, and you’re taking a particularly extreme position.

      dustin (b54cdc)

    39. ACORN has repeatedly been found to be innocent of criminal wrongdoing.

      That actually is not true. They have been found guilty.

      Unless I’m not up to date on your usage of the word “any”. Also, the claim by the AG that they are not prosecutable is far, far, far from calling them innocent. It’s lawyer puffery, giving him the room to potentially be referring to tactical issues rather than actual legality.

      I realize you don’t understand what half of these words mean.

      dustin (b54cdc)

    40. #30, DRJ, The part you quoted does not seem to be related to the part you commented on. ACORN and ACORN housing and all of their employees were found to be cleared of all criminal wrongdoing. ACORN and ACORN housing are innocent. I will pull out the (unrelated) info I think you want about O’Keefe not being consistent about representing himself as a pimp tomorrow, as it is late.

      Chris Hooten (bc3301)

    41. Put up or shut up, Chris. You can easily prove your claim (if you aren’t a liar). Do it.

      I realize your tactic of repeating your conclusion seems like a great example of ‘repeat a lie enough and it becomes the truth’, but in this context, it just looks obnoxious.

      You had to see, with your own eyes, ACORN helping Giles lie on a mortgage application. You had to have seen that. Innocent? are you one of the million plus members of ACORN, founded by the Wade Rathke of SDS (an extreme group that branched into the terrorist group known as the Weathermen)?

      These are bad people. We can get our people registered to vote and into decent housing without their help.

      dustin (b54cdc)

    42. Dustin said,

      Laws shmaws, you know damn well you don’t want those ACORN bastards in your community, helping crack dealers lie on mortgage applications. This is not a democrat vs republican thing.

      0.2% (467,000) of the population even USES crack. I don’t think there is a dearth of crack dealers lying on mortgage applications with the help of either ACORN or ACORN housing, but nice imagery.

      Proof

      Chris Hooten (bc3301)

    43. Chris, look up dearth. I make errors all the time too, so no harm no foul, but you just said you don’t think there’s any shortage of crack dealers lying on mortgage applications.

      Actually, I am not worried about there being millions. Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans, Chicago, and DC all show the effects of corrupt democrat community organization. These places have a lot of drug dealers who manage to elude the law thanks to the assistance that ACORN provides.

      Now, I was curious why you are so devoted, so I googled your name and realize you’re insane. I apologize. You think Kos is a CIA front, involved with 9/11, and some other stuff I won’t go into that got you banned from crooks and liars … from the left.

      Or maybe you were trying to repeat a recipe on Mince Meat pie, and because you are not very familiar with English usage, you keep sounding totally insane. I know you think we’re huge enemies and I’m some white racist tea bagging capitalist CIA pig. But seek an nice, smart person in your real life, maybe family, and tell them you’re struggling with these thoughts. I sincerely wish you the best, and I mean that with no patronizing intent.

      dustin (b54cdc)

    44. dustin, I think you have Chris Hooten confused with “Lev,” the Brad Blog participant who made the accusation that Moulitsas is a CIA front.

      On Brad’s distracting ransom note-like layout, the commenters’ nick appears above the comment, not after. I know because I ripped Brad last year in his face (well, on his blog) when he joined in the attack on Glenn Beck, Michele Bachmann, and all things rightward after the “murder” of census worker Bill Sparkman which, of course, turned out to be a suicide disguised as a murder. Friedman turned out to be more skeptical than most of his readers and colleagues, but was nonetheless hoping for a reason to smear the right per se (“We’ve long suggested on these pages that it would be remarkable if the rightwing Summer of Teabagging didn’t eventually result in somebody’s death”).

      I have been the victim of that sort of error. Back in 2005, a Salon.com writer hack attributed comments made by a Free Republic participant in reply to me as being made BY me.

      L.N. Smithee (9119f4)

    45. These Bradbots are a laugh a minute. It is fun to see them defending potential child prostitution, tax fraud and mortgage fraud just because the AG did not find it prosecutable. Talk about the moral high ground!!!!

      daleyrocks (718861)

    46. “He never claimed he was a pimp.”

      Somebody need to ask Brown whether this is a requirement for posing as a pimp or even pimphood, a self-declaration. It seems to be an invention of Brad Friedman and the left. Running a house of prostitution and taking the proceeds for his own purposes apparently does not fit the bill.

      Life is tough out there for an alleged pimp poseur.

      daleyrocks (718861)

    47. Smithee, I certainly apologize if I screwed that up! I say ‘if’ because I was pretty sure I was right.

      Either way, he made a claim that he could so easily back up with the transcript instead of just repeating his conclusion over and over, and to defend, as daleyrocks points out, really immoral behavior. I think that goes so far beyond partisan bickering that it’s disturbing.

      dustin (b54cdc)

    48. Why hasn’t Chris come back?

      daleyrocks (718861)

    49. I wonder if Jerry is still bumpin’ uglies with Linda Ronstadt? Of course, if he was, he’d also have to take up mountain climbing.

      GeneralMalaise (556297)

    50. I thought Linda moved on to Bob Kerrey.

      daleyrocks (718861)

    51. Naw, that was Debra Winger…

      GeneralMalaise (556297)

    52. Jerry and Linda had a falling out some time back when he was more attracted to his ashram(?) than he was to her.

      AD - RtR/OS! (8b509d)

    53. “Naw, that was Debra Winger”

      Yup, brain cramp.

      daleyrocks (718861)

    54. the timing of the release of his prosecutorial indescretion with his formal hat in the ring for governoris strange. why not leave it in the in basket forever?

      clyde (516c47)

    55. clyde – 5:16pm the timing of the release of his prosecutorial indescretion with his formal hat in the ring for governoris strange.

      No it’s not. It’s a message to the SEIU that he’ll be a good little leftist and do what he’s told.

      He’s for sale, and he wants their money.

      Apogee (e2dc9b)

    56. > I hope he means that.

      Yeah, he promises to pull out before he comes, too.

      IgotBupkis (79d71d)

    57. > the timing of the release of his prosecutorial indescretion with his formal hat in the ring for governoris strange. why not leave it in the in basket forever?

      Wouldn’t we all prefer his head in the basket?

      I mean… really. Not suggesting anyone actually encourage such an event… but… it’d be a major improvement in the human condition, is all I’m sayin’.

      IgotBupkis (79d71d)

    58. > How can you say a man intends to use his prostitution ring’s profits and then say he wasn’t pretending to be a pimp? How does that work?

      Pretty much the same way what Polanski did wasn’t “rape rape”.

      This wasn’t “pimp-pimp-pimping”.

      “Ya gotta ‘no ya’ hos fa’ tha’, ya’ ‘nos?”

      IgotBupkis (79d71d)

    59. Sorry, my friend was having heart surgery. You have to have your priorities… WRT #42 I meant that there is not EVEN a dearth of crack dealers, that there is actually LESS THAN A DEARTH. But that is also confusing, so I’ll just say that there is about as big of a chance of a crack dealer being helped to lie on a mortgage application at an ACORN or ACORN housing place as hell freezing over. I think that is a little more concise. O’Keefe was posing as a college student with political ambitions. Since he was hanging around with prostitutes, and planning on getting political money from nefarious sources, I would have to guess that he was posing as a REPUBLICAN college student.

      Chris Hooten (bc3301)

    60. “On the good ship Lollypop…”

      AD - RtR/OS! (0d3e7e)

    61. response to 58:

      It was not “his” prostitution ring. He was posing as a college student “helping” her out of her situation. That doesn’t sound very “pimpy” to me.

      Chris Hooten (bc3301)

    62. Chris Hooten, that does not sound “pimpy” for you because you are intentionally omitting the actual evidence to the contrary.

      Not a surprise really.

      SPQR (26be8b)

    63. “That doesn’t sound very “pimpy” to me.”

      Chris – That sounds like you either didn’t watch the tapes or are flat out lying. It doesn’t matter which to me.

      daleyrocks (718861)


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