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Iran and the Big Lie

Filed under: International,Obama — DRJ @ 3:21 pm

[Guest post by DRJ]

Iran’s Ahmadinejad on State TV:

“September 11 was a big lie and a pretext for the war on terror and a prelude to invading Afghanistan,” Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying by state TV. He called the attacks a “complicated intelligence scenario and act.”

The Iranian president has questioned the official U.S. version of the Sept. 11 attacks before, but this is the first time he ventured to label it a “big lie.”

As a Presidential candidate, Barack Obama was willing to meet with Ahmadinejad to prove America isn’t a bully and pave the way to stronger international sanctions:

“My whole goal, in terms of having tough, serious direct diplomacy, is not because I’m naive about the nature of any of these regimes. I’m not,” Obama said. “It is because if we show ourselves willing to talk and to offer carrots and sticks in order to deal with these pressing problems, and if Iran then rejects any overtures of that sort, it puts us in a stronger position to mobilize the international community to ratchet up the pressure on Iran.

“Our unwillingness to talk or the perception that we are trying to bully our way through negotiations — that’s eliminated as an excuse for them not dealing with these issues in an appropriate way.”

Obama set the stage for this as a Presidential candidate and now he should deliver on his campaign promise. As President, it’s time for him to significantly “ratchet up” the international pressure on Iran.


15 Responses to “Iran and the Big Lie”

  1. how about a couple of Tomahawks into their one refinery and some naval mines in the estuaries of their ports, thus cutting off their oil exports and their refined petroleum products supply?

    that and some late night SDB bombs via B-2’s into selected governmental residences and buildings ought to “ratchet up” the pressure on “I’m a dinner jacket” quite nicely.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  2. The Whackjobman is a Truther!

    AD - RtR/OS! (9dbe33)

  3. ever since we took out their main enemy these guys just keep getting more and more uppity.

    imdw (de7003)

  4. ever since we took out their main enemy these guys just keep getting more and more uppity.
    Comment by imdw — 3/6/2010 @ 4:02 pm

    From someone who clearly doesn’t know or remember anything about 1979. Not that you really had a point that related to the post, but even your non sequiturs are becoming more inane.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  5. Saddam Hussein was no more than a pimple on a knat’s ass to the Mullahs; he was a way to thin out the jobless poplulation.
    We have always been their main enemy, which is why they call us The Great Satan.

    AD - RtR/OS! (9dbe33)

  6. “Saddam Hussein was no more than a pimple on a knat’s ass to the Mullahs; he was a way to thin out the jobless poplulation.”

    Are you referring to the iran iraq war? That took quite a horrible toll on Iran. That’s no pimple.

    “We have always been their main enemy, which is why they call us The Great Satan.”

    We can also be their Great Asset — when we take out a rival and replace it with a democracy they can influence.

    imdw (017d51)

  7. imdw, as Stashiu points out, your non sequiturs are indeed getting more incoherent.

    The reality remains that Obama’s original prescription for Iran was astonishingly and stupidly naive. And now that it is shown to be a completely empty and silly approach, Obama is without a clue what to do.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  8. I think Obama ought to find a regional rival for Iran, overthrow it, and then hold elections where someone who used to be Iran’s client becomes the leader there. That’s just gotta work!

    imdw (2c1194)

  9. imadouchebag never fails to live down to it’s subterranean – like expectations. Think I’ll start parroting it’s idiocies again, although it’s hard to differentiate between the real posts and the fake ones.

    Dmac (ca1d8c)

  10. Comment by Dmac — 3/6/2010 @ 5:43 pm

    There’s a problem with your parrodies, Dmac –
    We can understand them!
    Which is more than can be said for the incoherent ramblings of the dickwad one.

    AD - RtR/OS! (9dbe33)

  11. Hey, we’re having a give-away today….
    take an “r”, I’ve got an extra one I don’t need.


    AD - RtR/OS! (9dbe33)

  12. > As President, it’s time for him to significantly “ratchet up” the international pressure on Iran.

    Oh, but he has… He’s moved Iran from level four to level six, and is seriously and we do mean seriously — considering level seven:

    In a newly released policy brief, Obama details the following steps of his plan for dealing with the actions of rogue nations:

    Under Obama, a first instance means they’ll be give a Stern Talking To.

    And if they’re found to do it again, it will come with a Firm Reprimand.

    A third offense will produce a Disappointed Sigh and a Heartfelt Expression of Disappointment.

    A fourth occurrence will mean a Long Sit Down Over Tea.

    Fifth and Sixth events will result in a Consideration of Sanctions and a Deeper Consideration of Sanctions, respectively.

    The seventh time will result in a Public Call For A Committee On Sanctions.

    The eighth offense will result in an Open Request For Sanctions and Determined Foot Tapping of Impatience.

    Note: Obama has not yet announced how his foreign policy will deal with the Ninth and Tenth offenses in this sequence, but I think it’s clear that, whatever form it takes, he will make a similarly Discerning Show of Determination to express His Supreme Dissatisfaction with the nation in question.

    OBloodyhell (aacc3d)

  13. I thought Obama’s last offer for diplomacy expired a couple of months back and it was time to crank up the pressure with sanctions. It seems like he’s focusing as hard on those as he is on creating jobs.

    Go Team Obama!

    One Term President!!!!!

    daleyrocks (5710d7)

  14. Another reason America sucks is because the vast majority of its citizens are so simple they can’t bother to look into the details of 9/11. I mean, nevermind that it’s the whole underlying myth for your country’s foreign policy ever since then, as well as the excuse for all the domestic repression and mainstreaming of police state measures. Why bother, right? Then if someone takes the time to explain it to them they can’t bear to face the cold hard truth that elements within their own government rigged it up as a false flag operation. They literally will cover their ears and go na na na na I can’t hear you. Like a 5 year old. And go on pretending that it’s just a coincidence that every theater of operations in the “war on terror” revolves around oil and/or natural gas resources.

    Let’s see: Afghanistan. Taliban had to be removed so a puppet government could be installed to agree to America’s (Unocal’s) terms for natural gas pipelines to be built across their territory from Turkmenistan and terminating in Pakistan at an LNG port. This way central Asian gas can be gotten out of central Asia but without going through Russia or Iran.

    Iraq. Sitting on a lake of crude oil. Going to be the center of gravity of the 21st Century world’s oil production. Saddam was going to privatize Iraq’s state owned oil industry with France’s Total and Russia’s Lukoil as the beneficiaries. Only way to avoid that is to invade Iraq, depose Saddam’s government and install a puppet government that will privatize it with the U.S. in the driver’s seat.

    Somalia. The U.S. goads Ethiopia into invading Somalia to remove its government and allow a puppet government to be installed that will grant American oil supermajors exploration rights.

    And as I said the details of 9/11’s events show it plainly to have been an inside job. Whether one looks at the “hijacker pilots” who 1.behaved the opposite of observant Muslims let alone devoted Muslims; 2.couldn’t fly even Piper Cubs worth a damn; and 3.lived outside N.S.A. headquarters, others lived near C.I.A. headquarters, still others on a military base, still others living with an F.B.I. informant…

    Or if one looks at the flight manifests and realizes that real airlines aren’t going to fly Boeing 757s and -767s on coast to coast flights with 40 or 50 people allegedly on board when the planes will hold 180 to 220 passengers.

    Or if one looks at the “put” orders placed on the stocks of companies that were seriously hurt by 9/11 like American Airlines, United Airlines and some located in the WTC, “put” orders that made millions when these companies took the dive. “Put” orders placed in the week just BEFORE the 9/11 attacks.

    Or if one looks at the Pentagon being hit at all, let alone by something zooming in just above the ground and leaving no airliner’s tail section or wings or fuselage or luggage etc. on the Pentagon’s lawn. And why was the side of it aimed at anyway? Common sense tells you that if someone was going to kamikaze it they would aim for the ROOF because it’s many magnitudes bigger of a target as well as being enormously more destructive. But if I wanted to hit it symbolically and do as little damage as possible, the best bet is to hit it in the side. Right in the one wedge that was under renovation at the time meaning much less personnel present. Right in the one wedge that had just recently beforehand been structurally reinforced to better withstand something like that. Strange bunch of “coincidences”, right?

    Or if one considers the pre-9/11 warnings to top generals and to the mayor of San Francisco to avoid flying on September 11, 2001.

    Or if one considers that even steadfast defenders of the official myth like the 9/11 whitewash Commission and the N.I.S.T. both admitted that the Twin Towers came down at freefall rate once the “collapses” began. Think about this for a minute. This is itself a tacit admission that 9/11 was an inside job when one thinks about what this means. Solid uppermost floors falling into and THROUGH the solid remainder of the building as quickly meaning as EASILY as falling through air. OK in the real world solid things offer greatly more resistance to a falling mass than air. The only way in real life that something like that is possible is with controlled demolitions, where the underlying structure is reduced to such a non-resisting state by explosives that the upper floors can pass through it unhindered. Otherwise, it’s not happening anywhere remotely close to freefall rate without demolition charges. It’s literally common sense, a child should be able to figure that one out. If you doubt it then ask yourself when was the last time that you saw a car accident avoided because the cars passed harmlessly through one another. You haven’t because it doesn’t happen, solid things offer enormously greater resistance to other solids than air.

    So yes, America sucks. It’s a fascist police state in which its government can investigate your library books, demand to see anyone’s medical records and kidnap you in the middle of the night to be tortured in some dungeon after having declared you an “enemy combatant”. It invades countries that aren’t provoking it for economic reasons. And its people if I may stretch the meaning of the word “people” are the most ignorant neanderthals in the industrialized world and the most intellectually cowardly wretches one could imagine, preferring the false comfort of a fantasy world to the real-life adult world of common sense where sometimes you find out things that are unpleasant.

    Common Sense (8e7cbb)

  15. Common Sense, why are you repeating all these long-debunked lies here? All of your conspiracy crap about 9/11 is just pure invention and rather sick and insane invention at that.

    Hilarious too, that you call America a “fascist police state” when it retains more protections of its citizens privacy than almost any other nation. The things you whine about being investigated are less protected from government inspection in almost any other country.

    Just why is it that you are so filled with utter nonsense and feel the need to share it?

    SPQR (26be8b)

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