Eric Boehlert: Lying Scum
Eric Boehlert, the World’s Most Dishonest Person™, has a post called Will Breitbart, O’Keefe, and Giles Come Clean About the ACORN Pimp Hoax?
In it, Boehlert implies through slippery phrasing that James O’Keefe never pretended to be a pimp. And he accuses Hannah Giles of lying, while providing zero evidence.
Eric Boehlert is lying scum.
The post opens:
Just so everybody’s clear, the pimp story has been debunked. James O’Keefe never wore his pimp costume into ACORN offices last summer as part of the right-wing sting. The outfit was used as a prop to attack the community organizing group.
Boehlert continues throughout to refer to “the pimp story” as having been debunked, saying things like: “the pimp story was bogus.” As Boehlert well knows, many readers will interpret this as a claim that O’Keefe never even posed as a pimp, much less dressed as one. By explicitly referring to the clothing, but then repeatedly asserting the unraveling of “the phony pimp story” or “the pimp spoof,” Boehlert hopes to advance the false impression (which has been explicitly asserted by Brad Friedman) that O’Keefe never even claimed to be a pimp inside the ACORN offices, but instead merely claimed to be Giles’s boyfriend rescuing her from the pimp.
Any sentient being who has examined the evidence understands that there are two pimps in play in the tapes: the abusive one Hannah is escaping, and O’Keefe, who is setting up a house where Giles and several underage girls will turn tricks and give the money to O’Keefe for a future Congressional campaign.
That’s posing as a pimp. But Friedman has claimed O’Keefe never did, and Boehlert (smarter and slipperier) is suggesting the same to his gullible HuffPo readers.
Boehlert even complains, with zero evidence, that Hannah Giles lied:
[T]he pimp revelation does raise all sorts of questions about the ethics and accuracy of Breitbart, O’Keefe, and Giles and indicate that the hoax should send up a red flag among journalists. . . .
If the trio’s willing to obfuscate about clothing, then reporters and pundits need to use extreme caution when dealing with any claim they make in the future.
. . . it’s time for Breitbart, O’Keefe, and Giles to come clean about the ACORN pimp hoax and their role in spreading it.
On a separate page, I examine Boehlert’s evidence for claiming that Breitbart and O’Keefe engaged in a “pimp hoax.” For here, suffice it to say that calling the evidence “thin” would be kind.
But Boehlert offers absolutely no evidence that Giles ever claimed, suggested, or even hinted that O’Keefe dressed as a pimp in the ACORN offices (which is a huge red herring of a non-issue anyway).
That’s OK. When you’re a lefty hack doing the bidding of George Soros, you don’t need evidence to try to destroy the reputation of a young woman.
“fake, but accurate” is the operating philosophy of not only this sample of genetic scum, but of imdw, timb, and other lefties who defile this site with their lies.
PCD (1d8b6d) — 2/24/2010 @ 7:54 amSo is Media Matters financially connected to Acorn in some way? There is at the very least an emotional investment there….
MayBee (0ccdc4) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:13 amAre Freidman and Boehlert in a contest to see who can be the most dishonest?
JD (ab836d) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:15 amACORN and pimp are synonyms now. Articles what use the words ACORN and pimp only reinforce that I think.
happyfeet (713679) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:31 amThis is irrefutable evidence that the O’Keefe/Giles story has really hit the left right where they live. An election is coming up and the Dems need those ACORN foot soldiers to get out the vote; especially the dead ones. I mean, if Sonny Corleone had had ACORN with him at that toll booth, do you think those guys with the black gloves could have laid a hand on him ?
MIke K (2cf494) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:32 amWell technically, they didn’t really lay a hand on him, just lots and lots and lots of slugs. Lots.
Hadlowe (2d384f) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:46 amPut another way, it appears to be a race to see who can get to the bottom of the septic tank first.
Old Coot (ddf8be) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:07 amJust so I can get this straight: when Olberman refers a govt official who tells O’Keefe where he can travel on his pre-trial release, then he is supposed to correct himself (which he did) for that semantic error.
But, when Breitbart writes a column for the Washington Times claiming O’Keefe wore the pimp costume into ACORN offices and Hannah is on tape admitting he didn’t wear the pimp outfit inside, Breitbart’s okay?
And, when Bohlert points out that none of the three seemed eager to correct Hannity’s and Doocey’s claims (that dude is eighteen kinds of stupid), that mean Bohlert’s a hack?
Twisted logic indeed
timb (449046) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:24 amWhen someone says “just so I can get this straight” why is it that invariably they never seem to do so?
JD (d3f3ab) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:31 amThe ACORN sting story is unraveling, Patterico. Fortunately, there’s a way to salvage it for Breitbart, et. al. — release the unedited video.
Can we both agree that doing so would settle quite a bit of this back-and-forth?
D. Aristophanes (d68d56) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:33 amAren’t you implying that Breitbart and O’Keefe lied about him dressing up as a pimp, but that Giles didn’t?
Steve Smith (9c72c6) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:34 amSteve Smith — good catch, that would seem to be a natural inference from Patterico’s emphasis on only Giles in that criticism of Boehlert. Why is Patterico not challenging O’Keefe and Breitbart to apologize for the alleged lying he strongly implies they engaged in?
D. Aristophanes (d68d56) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:37 amThe parade of sophists returns. Good Allah. Unravelling?
JD (d3f3ab) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:46 amPatterico falsely claims that Boehlert accused Giles of lying. Boehlert simply accused Giles of becoming “complicit in the lie,” by letting her guest repeat the “dressed-as-a-pimp” lie without correcting it.
[Our old friend Andrew/Newt/etc… slipped through briefly. He is still banned by Patterico so you won’t have Santana to kick around anymore. –Stashiu]
Santana Jones (a42b5c) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:47 amI do not care what O’Keefe was wearing, and *gasp* I’m female. It’s irrelevant. I’ve read the transcripts, and there is no doubt that O’Keefe presented himself as a pimp. Of underage slaves, never mind of Ms. Giles.
Clothes? This man is concerned about what clothes O’Keefe was wearing?
Did Boehlert join the fashion police?
Dianna (5f6ad4) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:50 amDianna – if they focus on the costume, they keep people from looking at what ACORN employees eagerly volunteered to do across the country.
JD (d3f3ab) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:55 am1) The full unedited videos have been available for months. Lefties can’t bear the thought of watching them in their entirety.
2) ACORN is, at the very least, a crime-enabling organization. I suspect it is a good deal more than that.
3) The Left cannot argue with the content, so they argue against what amounts to mere presentation.
4) Boehlert is lying scum.
Russ (3ac164) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:59 am“That’s OK. When you’re a lefty hack doing the bidding of George Soros, you don’t need evidence to try to destroy the reputation of a young woman.”
The tape of her discussing O’Keefe’s “minstrel show” with Blumenthal should help to firm up her reputation.
imdw (78ece3) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:59 amOh, I can see that, but it’s the weakest of all possible distractions.
Thanks, though, JD.
Dianna (5f6ad4) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:01 amAren’t you implying that Breitbart and O’Keefe lied about him dressing up as a pimp, but that Giles didn’t?
I’m convinced that all our angry disagreements over nominally political matters in this country could be cleared up in an instant, simply by teaching liberals how to read.
Not only is Patterico not “implying” that, he specifically said the exact opposite.
Subotai (f38aa4) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:01 am“Dianna – if they focus on the costume, they keep people from looking at what ACORN employees eagerly volunteered to do across the country.”
So what was the costume for?
imdw (b62539) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:08 amPersonally, I like all the focus on whether O’Keefe was dressed as SuperFly. It’s a win/win for Breitbart.
If O’Keefe had been dressed as SuperFly while soliciting assistance in setting up an underage brothel, ACORN would have had the “benefit” of being able to say that their employees lacked common sense — or were playing along with the “joke.” Anyone who didn’t realize someone in a SuperFly outfit wasn’t really a pimp would be a fool, and going along with someone dressed in that manner could be excused as thinking it was a joke. If the ACORN employees thought a “dressed” O’Keefe was a pimp, then ACORN could only be criticized for hiring employees who lack common sense — not employees who were evil.
Thankfully Boehlert and crew aren’t trying the “but they thought it was a joke” defense, nor are they going with the “the ACORN employees were stupid” defense.” Instead, they are arguing that O’Keefe walked in their doors in “normal attire,” something a pimp is more likely to be wearing than 70s Blaxploitation wear. In essence, they are strengthening the case that ACORN is a morally corrupt organization. All while trying to say that O’Keefe is a “liar” because he didn’t show up in a purple suit with hat and bola.
No one in their right mind would take a 20 something white guy wearing a purple suit with hat and bola seriously…except apparently Boehlert and Friedman.
Christian (3290f5) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:10 amSubotai: Actually, Patterico didn’t say the opposite. He specifically bolds Giles’ name in that passage, which was about an accusation that Breitbart and O’Keefe had lied in the context of whether O’Keefe had worn a pimp outfit. Patterico’s point seems to be that Boehlert, while having a case that the other two lied, did not have evidence that Giles did.
Steve Smith (9c72c6) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:16 amThe full unedited videos have been available for months.
Link?
Not only is Patterico not “implying” that, he specifically said the exact opposite.
Patterico specifically said that Giles lied about O’Keefe dressing up as a pimp, but Breitbart and O’Keefe didn’t?
I do not care what O’Keefe was wearing, and *gasp* I’m female. It’s irrelevant.
That’s your opinion. It’s interesting, though, that Breitbart and his defenders like Patterico are also dismissing the pimp costume issue as irrelevant — when they have been frankly astonishing in their pedantry and nit-picking when it comes to demands for assorted retractions and apologies from media that have covered various aspects of the ACORN videos or O’Keefe’s background to date.
Why is bad reporting and/or outright lying ‘irrelevant’ in the case of O’Keefe’s clothing, but the same must be relentlessly exposed in journalists’ whose coverage is not charitable to Breitbart or O’Keefe?
That’s a double standard.
D. Aristophanes (d68d56) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:17 amHumor?
It was very funny.
Dianna (5f6ad4) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:20 amDamn, the flop sweat from the reactionary leftists is almost overwhelming.
Have you tried Sure?
Lazarus Long (a4f63e) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:24 amWould that daristophanes to apply the same level of intellectual rigor to the drivel that flows from himself, Boehlert, Friedman, etal. Nah. Ain’t gonna happen.
JD (b537f4) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:24 amWould that daristophanes apply the same level of intellectual rigor to the drivel that flows from himself, Boehlert, Friedman, etal. Nah. Ain’t gonna happen.
JD (b537f4) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:25 amPatterico’s point seems to be that Boehlert, while having a case that the other two lied, did not have evidence that Giles did.
Learn to read, please. These are his exact words.
On a separate page, I examine Boehlert’s evidence for claiming that Breitbart and O’Keefe engaged in a “pimp hoax.” For here, suffice it to say that calling the evidence “thin” would be kind.
It takes a large amount of creative dishonesty and a limited amount of reading comprehension to read that and then conclude that Pat is “implying that Breitbart and O’Keefe lied about him dressing up as a pimp”.
Or to put it less politely but in language you can understand – you’re insane.
Subotai (f38aa4) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:26 amEric is an ass … it’s as simple as that. GO RETRACTO!
SteveCan (72a7f6) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:28 amtheir pedantry and nit-picking when it comes to demands for assorted retractions and apologies from media that have covered various aspects of the ACORN videos or O’Keefe’s background to date.
Yeah, it’s just “pedantic nit-picking” to point out that O’Keefe actually did NOT organize that conference at which Jared Taylor spoke. Or that he WAS NOT actually charged with wire-tapping. Details, details.
Subotai (f38aa4) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:30 amWell, I can tell you that Breitbart and all the “Big” websites are in a panic over this “pedantic nit-picking”, making post after post after post trying to cover their tracks,
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Lazarus Long (a4f63e) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:35 am.
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Never mind.
Someone stated above that the full unedited videos are available. That is not correct. The full unedited audio is available. This is another one of their attempts at distraction, another look something shiny moment, as they want people to think that there is something nefarious about editing the end product, given the fact that the full unedited audio is available. At this point, there is little to nothing these sophists will not lie, distort, or distract from about this topic, as the truth is too uncomfortable for them.
JD (b537f4) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:35 amPoint taken, Subotai. Do do you agree that it’s also an important detail as to whether O’Keefe wore his garish pimp costume in the ACORN offices themselves or not? At least as important as whether O’Keefe consulted his ‘probation officer’ or his ‘pre-trial officer’ before attending CPAC?
Or do you, like Patterico, think ‘it’s a huge red herring of a non-issue anyway’?
More importantly, if you think it is important to ascertain the truth of whether O’Keefe wore the pimp suit or not, do you think it’s important for media reporting the facts wrongly to offer corrections?
D. Aristophanes (d68d56) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:42 amThanks again, JD. I listened to the unedited audio; I have no sense of discomfort regarding the video. I read the transcripts.
There is no question: O’Keefe posed as a pimp – even if he didn’t dress as if he were a character in Starsky & Hutch – and I am at a loss to understand anyone even thinking of defending ACORN’s employees.
Dianna (5f6ad4) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:48 amDianna – Agreed. I was actually referring to darisophist and his band of twatwaffles in their desire to distract, as the truth would be rather uncomfortable.
Anyone that said that O’Keefe wore the pimp outfit in the offices should correct themselves. But, all of you sophists would use that as “proof” that he did not pose as a pimp, which he most assuredly did, and your buddies at ACORN were more than happy to aid them in their stated pursuits. I guess all of this would be easier to discuss were the sophists engaging in anything remotely resembling good faith.
JD (b537f4) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:54 amI am interested in watching the unedited videos that Russ has seen. Can someone put up a link to them?
Valeria (7a89bf) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:58 amDo do you agree that it’s also an important detail as to whether O’Keefe wore his garish pimp costume in the ACORN offices themselves or not?
No, I think what’s important is whether ot not he “posed as a pimp”. This nonsense about how he was dressed is part of an attenpt by the left to say “He did not pose as a pimp”. And of course, that’s just false. Regardless of what he wore, he posed as a pimp.
At least as important as whether O’Keefe consulted his ‘probation officer’ or his ‘pre-trial officer’ before attending CPAC?
I don’t think that’s terribly important, other than as yet another instance of the MSM failing to check their facts where O’Keefe is concerned. Given their remarkable track record of publishing things about him that are not true, you’d think some editor somewhere would double-check a story about him for accuracy before it goes to print. We’re supposed to trust the MSM because it has all those layers of fact-checkers.
if you think it is important to ascertain the truth of whether O’Keefe wore the pimp suit or not ..
I don’t think it’s very important, and you have yet to explain why you do.
Subotai (f38aa4) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:59 amValeria – I, and others, have corrected his inaccurate assertion.
JD (b537f4) — 2/24/2010 @ 11:04 am“…whether O’Keefe consulted his ‘probation officer’ or his ‘pre-trial officer’ before attending CPAC”
The problem with this error (besides just being wrong) is the significantly more negative connotation of meeting with a probation officer (connoting that he had already been convicted of something) as opposed to pre-trial officer (a more neutral term with no real negative connotation).
SeattleJohn (d2d105) — 2/24/2010 @ 11:05 amAnyone that said that O’Keefe wore the pimp outfit in the offices should correct themselves.
Agreed, JD.
D. Aristophanes (d68d56) — 2/24/2010 @ 11:11 amSometimes I wonder if Daristophanes, imd-dumbass, timb, the array of sockpuppets that have suddenly appeared could tell the truth about ACORN, O’Keefe, Giles, ect. if they were staring at the hammer of a stagecoach greener that happened to occupy their oral cavity and known to go off when they lied?
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Alinsky Smear Tactic FAIL: Andrew Breitbart KO’s Leftist Max Blumenthal at CPAC (video) « Frugal Café Blog Zone (a66042) — 2/24/2010 @ 11:19 amAnd the rest of your inanity is just that, darisophist.
JD (b537f4) — 2/24/2010 @ 11:20 amThe lies told about O’Keefe in the media are legion, as are the corrections they’ve been forced to run about those lies.
And yet, looking arond the website Sadly, No!, I don’t see anyone, not even D. Aristophanes, calling them to account about them or even mentionng them.
It’s almost as if D. Aristophanes was merely posing as a truth-seeker and stamper-out-of-inaccuracies when he finds it expedient to do so. Say it ain’t so, Aristophanes! Don’t ruin the high esteem in which you are held around the blogosphere.
Subotai (f38aa4) — 2/24/2010 @ 11:32 amNo it’s not important at all. That’s the point. Boehlert uses it as a straw man, whereby he tries to create the impression that wearing a pimp costume is why ACORN was deemed to be agreeable about underage prostitution. He’s not just making a correction. If that’s all he was doing then nobody would be making an issue of it.
Whether he consulted his probation officer is not real important. But it conveys a false impression on something that matters at least to O’Keefe, so it’s of some importance. It also indicates something about the intelligence of Olbermann, which was the main reason for pointing it out I think, although he’s of no importance.
Gerald A (a66d02) — 2/24/2010 @ 11:59 amSo why haven’t they released the unedited video? If I was trying to counter the charges that I was hiding something, I would release the video. If I was trying to hide something, I would edit the video.
Valeria (7a89bf) — 2/24/2010 @ 12:16 pmValeria exhibits the behavior that I described above. Look, something shiny!!!!!!!!!
JD (b537f4) — 2/24/2010 @ 12:21 pmD. Aristophanes poses as someone who cares about facts. But when he cited Dave Weigel as authority for an assertion that Weigel later disclaimed, he did nothing to correct his misleading post. Even after I pointed it out and he claimed he would be happy to update, he did not. The misleading claim stands at Sadly No.
Now that days have passed and nobody will see it he might update it. But he didn’t when he learned about it.
Because he only poses as someone concerned with accuracy.
Patterico (723eed) — 2/24/2010 @ 12:44 pmPlus, as others here have noted, he and Steve Smith directly misstate my position, clearly stated in this post and detailed more fully in a separate page that I linked and they ignored.
Patterico (723eed) — 2/24/2010 @ 12:46 pmI just read the transcript and at no point does O’keefe identify himself as a pimp. He always identifies himself as the lady’s boyfriend.
Manny (23153d) — 2/24/2010 @ 12:58 pmPeople who claim not to care about the way O’keefe was dressed cared a lot BEFORE the lie was debunked. The instances of conservative blogs mentioning O’keefe’s nonexistent pimp clothing are numerous.
Manny (23153d) — 2/24/2010 @ 1:06 pmD.A. accuses Patterico of having a double-standard; which makes P twice the person D.A. is, since D.A. has no standards at all.
AD - RtR/OS! (955a97) — 2/24/2010 @ 1:08 pmat no point does O’keefe identify himself as a pimp.
What pimp ever says “I am a pimp”?
People who claim not to care about the way O’keefe was dressed cared a lot BEFORE the lie was debunked.
And you know that because of your special liberal mind-reading powers, no doubt.
Subotai (f38aa4) — 2/24/2010 @ 1:11 pmI just read two of the transcripts (Maryland and New York), and maybe it’s just me, but most of this seems pretty innocuous. I mean, I’m from a small town originally, and from a lower middle-class upbringing, so I’ve seen poor people and (for lack of a better term) white trashy sort of people (a very white town, btw) who really haven’t gotten (or taken) the opportunity to elevate themselves from poverty. I also know that prositution is illegal AND ubiquitous.
So, even though I’ve been pretty sheltered, I have to imagine that the areas most likely served by ACORN are pretty underprivileged, and that people in those neighborhoods have probably seen and lived through considerably worse than I can imagine. I have to figure it’s not that unusual for someone to try to make a living as a drug dealer or a prostitute, or something else outside the normal boundaries of the law. I bet some of them would like to better their situation.
What I got from the transcripts was poor, likely undereducated people in a tough neigborhood trying to help other poor people without passing too much judgement. I also got “save and put your money in the bank” and “pay your taxes”.
What I didn’t get was underage prostitution being actively abetted or promoted.
Theocracy (a03e6b) — 2/24/2010 @ 1:15 pmNow, I’ll admit I haven’t seen any of the video (pretty robust firewall at work), and I’m hesitant to throw fuel on the fire, but the impression I get is that, for many on the right, there is an undercurrent of ‘Look how terrible those minorities behave’. It certainly seems a motivation for O’Keefe, at least. I mean, didn’t he also call Planned Parenthood to offer donations on the condition that minorities be aborted? Perhaps I’m just naive.
Add Manny to the list of sophists and liars.
JD (81bd7e) — 2/24/2010 @ 1:16 pmNaïve or disingenuous. Take your pick. RACISTS !!!
JD (81bd7e) — 2/24/2010 @ 1:19 pmTheo, it has nothing to do with minorities, but with the misuse of government funds, and turning a blind-eye to law-breaking.
AD - RtR/OS! (955a97) — 2/24/2010 @ 1:20 pmI’m hesitant to throw fuel on the fire, but the impression I get is that, for many on the right, there is an undercurrent of ‘Look how terrible those minorities behave’
Well, I’m glad you’re so hesitant to throw fuel on the fire or God knows what you would had said!
I’ll admit I haven’t seen any of the video
Doing that would seem like a prerequisite to saying anything at all on this topic, let alone claiming that O’Keefe was motivated by racism.
Subotai (f38aa4) — 2/24/2010 @ 1:23 pmTheo – not nearly as valid as the undercurrent on the left that says “we don’t care if someone misbehaves – if they’re minorities. In that case, we’ll keep funding their enterprise with federal dollars”.
SeattleJohn (d2d105) — 2/24/2010 @ 1:26 pm“I just read the transcript and at no point does O’keefe identify himself as a pimp. He always identifies himself as the lady’s boyfriend.”
Uh, there are are several transcripts.
And he posed as one. “Identify himself as” and “pose as” are not the same.
Patterico (723eed) — 2/24/2010 @ 1:31 pm” I mean, didn’t he also call Planned Parenthood to offer donations on the condition that minorities be aborted? Perhaps I’m just naive.”
No, uninformed and/or dishonest. That was a prank to show how Planned Parenthood supports eugenics.
Patterico (723eed) — 2/24/2010 @ 1:36 pmAD–
1200 offices in 75 cities, according to the Christian Science Monitor, and federal funding totalling $53million over the course of fifteen years. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll take $53mil, but that’s less than $3grand a year per chapter.
And your “turning a blind-eye to law-breaking” point is truly grasping. These offices aren’t in Mayfield, and they’re not serving Wally and the Beav. If a Brooklyn police department got a phone call saying that someone came into the ACORN office and said they were a prostitute, I’m fairly certain that the SWAT team wouldn’t be mobilized; same goes for DC.
Additionally ACORN LA wouldn’t help them, Philly and San Diego did notify the police, never mind the San Bernadino employee who played along with the two intrepid investigative journalists.
Theocracy (ab2402) — 2/24/2010 @ 1:38 pmWe’re running out of rationale besides the ‘poor swarthies’ one.
Theocracy, ACORN gets billions in federal funding. It’s just not very honest and open about it.
You’re being a useful idiot to them. And yuo probably know it, since you pass the canard that San Bernadino is ACORN only playing along. You trust proven liars. Your evidence is their word, even though they provably lied about people who have recorded proof as their evidence.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 1:41 pmAdditionally ACORN LA wouldn’t help them, Philly and San Diego did notify the police, never mind the San Bernadino employee who played along with the two intrepid investigative journalists.
We’re running out of rationale besides the ‘poor swarthies’ one.
For a guy who has yet to watch the videos, you seem to be chock full of opinions as to what they are all about and what happened in them.
Ignorant and bigoted opinons, for the most part.
Subotai (f38aa4) — 2/24/2010 @ 1:43 pmwait a minute. These are the psychos who tried to destroy someone’s livelihood by spamming lies on Amazon, aren’t they?
Now they want to cover for ACORN so ACORN can keep facilitating the livelihood of drug dealers and pimps in your communities.
So, agree with a Republican, and you shouldn’t have food on your table anymore. help dealers hide revenue from the IRS, and you deserve wall to wall whitewashing and defense.
And O’Keefe’s the racist? Just because that’s what you hear in your head when you see blacks? They say it’s good to think outside the box, but it’s OK to come back to the box now.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 1:46 pmNo Subotai, it doesn’t– I read two of the unedited transcripts. I doubt I missed much of the nuance by not seeing the pictures. Unless of course, the ACORN employees in the video all of Norwegian descent. If so, I humbly apologize, but I’m still at a loss for the overriding motivation for the stunt.
Theocracy (6ecda6) — 2/24/2010 @ 1:47 pmI don’t want to throw fuel on the fire, and I have not watched the videos, but you are racists. And they called the cops!!!
JD (81bd7e) — 2/24/2010 @ 1:48 pmIf you are “at a loss” I suspect that is a common occurrence, and also speaks to a lack of imagination.
JD (81bd7e) — 2/24/2010 @ 1:50 pmThe motivation was to show that ACORN is destroying our communities and dishonest. A secondary objective was to show that the left would spin, lie, and distort the truth while the MSM parroted provably false talking points and buried the evidence.
Theocracy is making their mission a success, though he thinks he’s helpfully blurring the lines and doing some kind of liberal service for ACORN. We already know ACORN is evil. The videos and audio prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt. Now it’s about how far down the rabbit hole the left is willing to go.
Theo might just take this all the way to the bottom.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 1:53 pmI read two of the unedited transcripts.
And you repeat a litany of lefty-talking points. Yet, you point blank refuse to actually watch the videos, which have been on the web for several months now, even while you lecture us as to what happens in them. Where did you read these “undedited transcripts”, at Boehlert’s site?
Hmmm.
Where’s imadimwit? He’s a step up trolldom from this guy.
Subotai (f38aa4) — 2/24/2010 @ 1:54 pmimdw isn’t really a step up. I guess this is just another version of the comments we saw at Sadly No! gloating about lying on amazon about Alkon. It’s just committed nuts knowing they are lying and happy to do so.
I bet these are the people who vote in CNN polls and clear cookies and vote again for an hour.
It’s pretty hilarious when you think about it. Until your community is full of dead bodies killed by drug dealers who were able to persist longer and better because ACORN helps criminals with the details of their enterprise. But I don’t live in an ACORN infested community, thank God.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 2:01 pmD. Aristophanes poses as someone who cares about facts. But when he cited Dave Weigel as authority for an assertion that Weigel later disclaimed, he did nothing to correct his misleading post. Even after I pointed it out and he claimed he would be happy to update, he did not. The misleading claim stands at Sadly No.
What the where now? Link, Patterico?
D. Aristophanes (d68d56) — 2/24/2010 @ 2:03 pmDustin–
Point #68– Billions? Care to cite any references? I understand that the CSM (Christian Science Monitor) almost rhymes with MSM, and is part of the Soros-funded, Amero promoting TriLateral Commission cabal, but how can they be so blatant about it?
Point #70– You lost me. I’m thinking maybe your inadvertenly hit CTRL+V before hitting send. I don’t understand what any of that means.
I look forward to the next character assassination.
Theocracy (a03e6b) — 2/24/2010 @ 2:05 pm“I haven’t watched the videos, but other people have told me what things I’m supposed to say about them when I post here. Racist, check. Not in transcripts, check. No Norwegian descent, check. I’m a good little spambot!”
Subotai (f38aa4) — 2/24/2010 @ 2:05 pmtheocracy, I’m pretty sure you refuse to read and watch things that are outside your safety bubble, or you’d already know that ACORN is a billion dollar enterprise. Google says there are 33 million eight hundred thousand stories about this issue, and I only read three of them.
You’re not here to honestly discuss this, you’re playing some kind of game. I am happy to see you prove Breitbart right. Anyone who can be reached on this issue has already been reached, and you’ll see what I mean in November.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 2:11 pmI’m sure that along the way of ACORN renaming themselves and restructuring, they hid the billion they got from Obama’s stimulus bill. It’s Community Organizing International, at the same address as ACORN, or some shit like that, right?
I read the legislation. 4.19 billion for “neighborhood stabilization activities.” in the “Community Development Fund”. And $1 billion for the Community Development Block Grant.
Now, the democrats say this could go to any community organizing group in America! They are liars.
There’s a reason the democrats went batshit crazy when it was suggested that these funds go to any community organizing group except ACORN. this is electioneering money, basically.
Link? what’s the point. Maybe I made all that up.
[note: released from moderation. –Stashiu]
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 2:18 pmI should point out, since someone will probably notice, I’m talking about past and future legislation. The Stimulus, and the Job creation bill.
ACORN sued the government, saying our elected representatives don’t have the right to defund ACORN. And these people pretend to be democratic.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 2:23 pmSubotai–
Got the transcripts off of Breitbart’s site, biggovernment.com I didn’t say what happens in the videos; they’ve been edited, and the transcripts have not. And what are the lefty talking points, a litany of which I’m repeating? I said that prostitution was illegal and ubiquitous (means it’s around pretty much everywhere); I don’t think anyone would dispute that. I said I think that ACORN typically servers poorer areas; I think that’s also true.
I then stated what my takeaway was from reading the two transcripts I read, and then I added that it seemed like the bigger issue that has people up in arms was that preponderance of the people served by ACORN are poor and, more often than not, a member of an ethnic minority. I haven’t seen an argument, with references I can look at, for a more compelling reason than that.
Occam’s got a razor I think you need to borrow.
Dustin– “Acorn infested community”? Your Freudian Slip is showing.
Theocracy (6ecda6) — 2/24/2010 @ 2:25 pmShorter Theo – RACISTS !!!! How pedestrian can you be? I said the same thing in about 1200 less words.
JD (61ed4f) — 2/24/2010 @ 2:33 pmDustin–#81 So you’re asking me “Who are you going to believe, me, or your own lying eyes?” Riiight.
BTW, the ACORN suit being brought has as its underpinnings Constitutional (remember that thing?) law, specifically the prohibition of Bills of Attainder. I don’t know if their suit has merit or whether or not they will succeed; that’s why you play the game, no? You’re not suggesting that ACORN doesn’t have the right to seek redress in the courts, are you? Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if you consider ACORN to be an enemy combatant.
Theocracy (85a49a) — 2/24/2010 @ 2:36 pmI know there are several transcripts. Can you tell me in which portion of any of the transcripts O’keefe even implies that he’s a pimp? I have not seen any indication that he even implies he’s a pimp. The boyfriend of a prostitute is not necessarily a pimp. O’keefe and the lady say they were running away from a violent pimp that is not the same person as O’keefe.
Manny (23153d) — 2/24/2010 @ 2:36 pmTheo is another “truth-seeker” like Manny, and Darisophistry, and the rest of the drive-bys. Manny is especially a liar. A venal vile viscious liar.
JD (b537f4) — 2/24/2010 @ 2:41 pmtheocracy, you lied about how much federal money ACORN gets, is going to get, etc. You said it was some time few thou per shack.
And if I point it out, it’s freudian slip of racism? Because I said infested?
LOL. I don’t have a problem with non-whites. I don’t care about that. I’m not exactly the whitest person on the internet, you know (oh wait, you don’t know… you assumed I was a certain race because you’re the racist).
ACORN infests our communities because ACORN is a disease. It helps dealers and pimps and burglars hide their money. It tells people to hide their criminal gains and helps them report their earnings fraudulently. And helps them fill our mortgage applications fraudulently. It’s black and white, plain as day, on video. And you know that because you saw it when you watched the video you’re lying about having never seen.
You think conservatives are all European white men, and their politics is all about keeping black people down. I actually know black people deserve better than ACORN infested communities. They deserve better than a place where my federal dollars, billions of them, help keep dealers and thugs in business. Or pay for voter registrations with crack cocaine or help cheat elections until more democrats are in power.
There have been convictions of ACORN thugs actually casting false votes. And several ACORN infected areas have more votes cast than there are voters. And while you might think if you keep lying about this the lies will stick and the truth will fall away, I think the GOP freshmen will be tripping over eachother to show they are the solution to these problems come November 2010.
But I win the argument without all this hair pulling because you accused me of being a racist because I used the word “infested”. You admitted you have no arguments. You’re here knowingly spinning and lying because that’s what Sadly No! and Media Matters are all about.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 2:42 pm“I know there are several transcripts. Can you tell me in which portion of any of the transcripts O’keefe even implies that he’s a pimp? I have not seen any indication that he even implies he’s a pimp. The boyfriend of a prostitute is not necessarily a pimp. O’keefe and the lady say they were running away from a violent pimp that is not the same person as O’keefe.
Comment by Manny ”
You mean when he says he wants to import kids and is advised to dominate them so as to use the profits for his political campaign, that doesn’t say “pimp” to you?
Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
but ACORN claimed they called the cops on O’Keefe for being a pimp, and they were just playing along with him because his pimp story was obvious one time. I think they are lying about that (and there’s strong evidence ACORN was lying then as they always do). But ACORN’s on the record convinced O’Keefe’s a pimp.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 2:47 pmTheo is another “truth-seeker” like Manny, and Darisophistry, and the rest of the drive-bys. Manny is especially a liar. A venal vile viscious liar.
JD, the ad-hominem attack is cool and everything, but can you single out the portion of any transcript showing that O’keefe was posing as a pimp?
Ad-hominem attacks are bad logic. Did you know that?
Manny (23153d) — 2/24/2010 @ 2:47 pmManny, it wasn’t an ad hominem. JD wasn’t trying to disprove anything. You didn’t have an argument to disprove. You said you didn’t see something… can’t disprove that.
His argument is that you are a liar, based on evidence you’re lying. That’s a fully valid argument. I don’t know you and don’t know if the evidence supports the argument, but it’s not an ad hom if his conclusion is that you have poor character.
Can you explain why ACORN thought O’Keefe was a pimp if he didn’t pose as one? did you watch the videos? Did you listen to the audio? he’s talking about using the money from an obvious prostitute and imported kid prostitutes to fund a campaign as a democrat.
he didn’t sit down and say “I am a pimp”. Is that what you’re whining about? Then you’re a liar. Anyone who listened to the full unedited audio and doesn’t admit he posed as a pimp is a liar. Pure and simple. A liar protecting ACORN’s crimes and destroying our communities. Stay away from mine.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 2:52 pmManny – Watch the damn videos, Manny. I also shall not prove that water is wet, or that the sky is blue.
JD (b537f4) — 2/24/2010 @ 2:55 pmThe videos were doctored. Yeah, we fired the people on some of them for helping pimps, but O’Keefe didn’t pose as a pimp at all. Yeah, we called the cops a while later, but we didn’t think there was anything going on.
Here’s the problem with lying. ACORN lied at first, saying this was isolated to one office. Now, they have a web of lies that simply make no sense. All they tell us that ACORN’s lies and Media Matters’s lies don’t mesh. That they are liars.
It’s a GOOD THING for liberals, especially Media Matters level liberals, to attempt to whitewash this. That is the point of this effort. There are more videos, waiting for before the election, and the most lies the left pushes now, the fewer votes they will have in November.
From the bottom of my heart, Boehlert, I think you for taking all the rope you’re given.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:03 pm“think”? LOL
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:03 pmDustin, I’ve been asking you guys where in the transcripts or the videos does O’keefe pose as a pimp. Where does he say anything that even hints at him being a pimp?
And can you type exactly what he said about the kid prostitutes? I’ll help you out. He said that the violent pimp, whom they named “Sonny” wanted to bring 13 and 14 year old girls to the country. Go ahead, Tell me when O’keefe said he was going to use money derived from teenage prostitution to fund a campaign. Don’t paraphrase. Quote. You and I are not respectable sources. The transcripts are. the videos are. Give me proof.
[Manny/Santana/Newt/Andrew/etc… bye. Patterico banned you long ago. –Stashiu]
Manny (23153d) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:06 pmDustin–
Facts, man! Where are the facts! I didn’t even pose any arguments; I stated what my takeaway was from reading two of the transcripts, for Pete’s sake!
I cited ACORN funding statistics from an article in the Christian Science Monitor (and I said that when I posted it); your statistics came from you typing them on your keyboard, for all I know.
I’m sure you’re not the whitest person on the internet; I think he’s over at stormfront.
Does ACORN help pimps and dealers? Don’t know– Are Tea Party members Furries? Probably not all of them.
I don’t think ALL conservatives are ANYTHING.
Please cite ACORN thugs convicted of voter fraud. Checked the ol’ internet and couldn’t find one.
And I didn’t accuse you of anything, with the exception of citing facts without evidence, but I will now accuse you of being sort of touchy.
Theocracy (a03e6b) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:07 pmCan you tell me in which portion of any of the transcripts O’keefe even implies that he’s a pimp?
Can you tell me why, accordng to Theo, ACORN called the police on O’Keefe if, as you insist, he was not posing as a pimp?
While you’re at it, why don’t you link to these transcripts you find so innocuous.
Subotai (f38aa4) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:10 pmManny, you can also explain why ACORN fired these workers if they did nothing wrong by talking with the non-pimp.
Subotai (f38aa4) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:11 pmACORN and other left-wing advocacy groups could be eligible for up to $3.99 billion in federal funding included in the $3.83 trillion fiscal 2011 budget blueprint that President Obama unveiled yesterday.
The $3.99 billion comes from a congressional slush fund known as the Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) program, which is part of the Department of Housing and Urban Development’s (HUD) $48.5 billion fiscal 2011 budget. CDBG grants, which are awarded to states and localities, pass indirectly to ACORN.
Subotai (f38aa4) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:14 pmRACISTS !!!!!!!!!!!!! That was pretty weak, Theo and Manny. And by weak I mean f*cking pathetic and transparent.
JD (b537f4) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:14 pmI’m pretty sure O’Keefe will have to go under oath and explain this, and so will several of the assholes (ACORN) who tried to help a pimp import children into sex slavery. They will address the House’s committees and explain what was going on.
I’ve read ACORN’s 47 page account of what happened from office to office. Amazing how many aspects they don’t even attempt to address. Hours and hours are boiled down to 2 or 3 sentences in some cases. And 100% of ACORN’s evidence is the word of their employees. Employees they fired in many cases. Employees on tape asking people to lie on mortgage applications (this is a big deal, since the CRA and mortgage fraud helped screw up our economy).
Manny and Theocracy take their word for it. Refuse to watch the video. Some kind of noble stubbornness, they think. The GOP knows that the democrats could have a massive Sister Souljah moment on this, and is hoping the left keeps trucking along helping monsters. Me, I hope the democrats wise up.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:20 pmwhat are the lefty talking points, a litany of which I’m repeating?
Here’s one.
the impression I get is that, for many on the right, there is an undercurrent of ‘Look how terrible those minorities behave’
Here’s another.
the bigger issue that has people up in arms was that preponderance of the people served by ACORN are poor and, more often than not, a member of an ethnic minority.
So you’ll pardon me if I snicker at your faux appeals for civil and rational argument.
Subotai (f38aa4) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:22 pm“it seemed like the bigger issue that has people up in arms was that preponderance of the people served by ACORN are poor and, more often than not, a member of an ethnic minority.”
Theo – There did it seem like the bigger issue? Facts man? Where are you getting your impressions since you only read two transcripts?
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:23 pmtheocracy, you can scream “facts all day long. I’m not upset about it. I know you’re a liar. You said ACORN got only $53 million. I guess you think CSM is conservative or something and this is funny.
You’re the one insisting that you don’t have to expose yourself to the evidence.
O’Keefe proved that ACORN wants kids to be raped. They will go out of their way to help. There’s no doubt about it. I’ve listened and watched proof. You can scream about how you don’t have to watch or listen to know different. You can say you read the whole thing and list dozens of goose hunts for people to go on. Once we show O’Keefe was posing as a pimp, you want to see evidence that ACORN got lots of money. After that another and another. It’s just a game to you. But the voters associate ACORN with scum criminals because they watched the videos.
Moderates and independents don’t find your screaming very persuasive.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:25 pmMaybe Theo can ask his Thought Leader for permission to look at the videos. He’ll see that they show white people working for ACORN!
Subotai (f38aa4) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:26 pmit seemed like the bigger issue that has people up in arms was that preponderance of the people served by ACORN are poor
Yeah, that’s what I saw on all the conservative blogs! Nothing about child prostitution at all! Just “those damn people served by ACORN are poor”!
Here’s a chance for you to show off you devotion to “facts” and cite a few conservative blogs saying that.
Subotai (f38aa4) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:31 pmTheo asserts that he has evidence that the bigger issue is that ACORN is helping minorities.
Does he? I haven’t seen it. I almost pasted a passage that is pretty convincing that O’Keefe was posing as a pimp, but I like the threat better without that. Let’s see if Theocracy can practice what he preaches and see a reference to race as an issue.
Calling someone a racist, as Theocracy has called a lot of people, is one of the ugliest and most destructive things you can do to someone in our culture, as Breitbart et al have noted. Can you show us the evidence you are referring to?
Why is it that every time someone criticizes Obama or ACORN they are called racist? Does Theocracy secretly hate black people, and have a hard time getting around to evaluating the merits of anything pertaining to them? That’s the only way I can understand how he would see racism in these substantive issues O’Keefe has proven about ACORN.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:31 pm“Are Tea Party members Furries? Probably not all of them.”
Theo – Are you looking for a date or something? Ask D. Aristophanes, he’s into some strange stuff.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:32 pmWhat the where now? Link, Patterico?
Comment by D. Aristophanes — 2/24/2010 @ 2:03 pm
D-man that might have happened after you pretended to leave the thread so you would not have to admit you were wrong, you know, your usual act.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:34 pmIn what dream world?
Dianna (5f6ad4) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:36 pmStash had to ban another sockpuppet? Stash, thanks for keeping up with the thread. I don’t know how you have the restraint to stay out of the discussions.
Sometimes I think only one Sadly No commenter is every troll here. They are certainly dedicated.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:37 pmsubotai– Dude, you’re really reaching now–
ACORN (and other left-wing advocacy groups) COULD BE eligible FOR UP TO $3.99B… congressional slush fund… Boy oh boy, those terms aren’t particularly fraught with any sort of hidden meaning. Must be from a “fair and balanced” source. Or else you just used the italic function of this site (which is sort of neat, by the way).
Again, I base my (MY!) opinions on my observations and interpretations, and I just don’t see what it is about this organization that’s so nefarious that it gets everyone’s panties in such a knot.
And daleyrocks–how many transcripts would you like me to read? Is there some smoking gun in one of the others you’d like to point out to me?
Anyway, this was fun. I’ll try to check in again once I get home. Cheers!
Theocracy (6ecda6) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:38 pmthe impression I get is that, for many on the right, there is an undercurrent of ‘Look how terrible those minorities behave’
That’s nice. The impression I get is that, for many on the left, there is an undercurrent of ‘Look how wonderful pedophilia is’.
I hope you can prove me wrong, I really do, but that’s the impression I get.
Subotai (f38aa4) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:39 pmHave they played the no crimes were committed by the ACORN employees card yet?
I love that one! Of all the stupid excuses trying to minimize the damage from this episode, that’s about the most stupid – well apart from the we’re so stupid we thought he really wore that pimp outfit into the ACORN offices and we’re not only morons but we’re racist morons because we thought the ACORN employees were dumb enough to get taken in by somebody wearing an obviously fake pimp outfit excuse. It’s always about race with the left.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:41 pm“And daleyrocks–how many transcripts would you like me to read? Is there some smoking gun in one of the others you’d like to point out to me?”
Theo – How about answering my question?
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:43 pm“ACORN and other left-wing advocacy groups could be eligible for up to $3.99 billion in federal funding included in the $3.83 trillion fiscal 2011 budget blueprint that President Obama unveiled yesterday. ”
I’ve always like this line. It’s like, there’s a grant program, and non-profits can apply (along with other entities), so lets just run it as ‘this one non-profit could get the whole thing.’ It’s like saying that blackwater — I mean Xe — could get billions because they can apply to any government contract. brilliant.
imdw (570615) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:45 pmimdw – ACORN gets no bid contract!!!!!!11ty!!!!!
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/24/2010 @ 3:49 pmlets just run it as ‘this one non-profit could get the whole thing.
Another lefty who is unable to read. Or likes to pretend that he can’t.
“ACORN and other left-wing advocacy groups ..
Subotai (f38aa4) — 2/24/2010 @ 4:02 pmAs I noted, that four billion is for ACORN. When Boehner sought to make it for anyone but ACORN, the democrats flipped out.
But they also got money from the stimulus. A lot.
But if it’s all the same to you, I don’t want then getting 50 dollars or 50 trillion. The GOP should simply outlaw ACORN getting a penny come November.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 4:04 pmJust enforcing an existing ban Dustin. I have never banned anyone. Andrew/Newt/Manny/Santana/etc was banned a long time ago by Patterico.
Stashiu3 (44da70) — 2/24/2010 @ 4:28 pmThey just cannot quit you, Stashiu 😉
Now I can no longer say “dummerer than a sack of Andrews”. Now, it is dummerer than a sack of Manny’s.
JD (cb1063) — 2/24/2010 @ 4:40 pmDon’t mess with a classic my friend. Where would we be if we didn’t have “I work here is done.”? 😉
Stashiu3 (44da70) — 2/24/2010 @ 4:49 pmMan, I had almost forgotten about that awesome and witty rejoinder. That dude has a serious compulsion about this site.
Facts, man! Where are the facts!
Said by one who doesn’t know any to begin with.
I didn’t even pose any arguments;
Of course not, you just insinuated the following:
I stated what my takeaway was from reading two of the transcripts, for Pete’s sake!
How about a little homework assignment for you, then? Since you’ve only read two transcripts (allegedly) and none (!) of the vids, try reading all of the material, then come back and please allow us the privilege to learn of all of your amazing “takeaways” – OK, sweetheart?
Dmac (799abd) — 2/24/2010 @ 5:31 pmTheocracy has been here before, made the same challenge regarding proving that ACORN workers had been convicted of voter registration fraud.
And when I supplied the proof, I think this was the troll that then claimed that ACORN was the victim.
SPQR (26be8b) — 2/24/2010 @ 5:45 pmTheocracy wrote:
Let me help you out with that one, Theo.
People who vote legally in this country — y’know, once — are not cool with a group whose modus operandi is to illegally register people who may or may not have been born, who may or may not be currently living, or who may or may not be human, or who may or may not be fictional characters.
People also don’t dig it when the misdeeds of the group’s members use their minority status as a trump card when they are caught red-handed, leading to reckless, specious accusations of prejudice at least or racism at worst (which brings us to you). You wrote the following earlier:
Uh huh. Hesitant you are, so you say, as you pump furiously on your Super Soaker filled with butane.
As a right-of-center gentleman who is twice as black as Barack Obama (thus qualifying me as one of “those minorities”), the impression I get about you is that you are one of those people (like Eric Bull-alert) already predisposed to believe that every conservative harbors ill will toward and/or possesses feelings of superiority over non-whites until they are given reason not to believe it. (In the case of especially thick liberals like Janeane Garofalo, even being black doesn’t mean that I’m not a bigot — according to her, I have “Stockholm Syndrome.”)
Being one of “those minorities,” it angers me that many who defend ACORN’s phlegmatic reaction to proposed illegality and exploitation on a massive scale focus on the skin color of the wrongdoers and not the twisted logic in their brains. A group that caters to minorities looks the other way while prostitution is facilitated, and the best that you can do to share your “impression” that there is a racist undercurrent. What that says to me is that your expectations of me as a black man are lower than you expect of yourself.
Finally, you also wrote this:
No, you’re not naive, you’re ignorant.
O’Keefe made that call to Planned Parenthood to prove essentially the same point as he did with the ACORN sting (which came later): Planned Parenthood — like ACORN, a well-connected leftist activist group — is a money-grubbing organization that obeys the law only at its convenience and would rather do something like agree to target black babies for abortion rather than turn down cash. Like with the faux pimp identity that was welcomed at ACORN, while pretending to be a white supremacist his money was still good as gold at Planned Parenthood.
Do your freaking research. I hear they got something called the Internet to help you. You should check it out — you wouldn’t look like such a fool.
L.N. Smithee (d1de1b) — 2/24/2010 @ 5:50 pmIt’s always the exact same MO with these types – first deny that the facts even exist, then demand yet more proof after numerous examples have already been widely disseminated, then attempt to deflect attention from the main issue via nitpicking issues of grammar and/or perceived context. Pathetic, and it’s getting much worse lately, so obviously they know full well that the ship has not only taken two torpedoes midships, it’s going to crater on the bottom shortly.
Dmac (799abd) — 2/24/2010 @ 5:51 pmWhat the where now? Link, Patterico?
Oh, now you forgot?
And it’s too hard for you to find on your own fucking blog?
If you make me dig it up I’ll probably do a new post about how dishonest you are.
Patterico (c218bd) — 2/24/2010 @ 6:38 pmHere you go.
And your still uncorrected post.
Check the first link for your weaselly little comment:
You’ll be happy to post on the Weigel update — but you didn’t.
If you do now, nobody will see it.
Put it in a new post.
You never will.
Patterico (c218bd) — 2/24/2010 @ 6:48 pmTime to put the clown nose back on, or disappear again, D. Aristophanes.
Because you’re busted.
Patterico (c218bd) — 2/24/2010 @ 6:51 pmThey do need to investigate those ACORN employees.
Child sex slavery is no joke
EricPWJohnson (54c55f) — 2/24/2010 @ 7:40 pmNew post up at S,N! with a retraction:
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/28822.html
D. Aristophanes (4633ab) — 2/24/2010 @ 7:47 pmI for one would love to see that unedited tape. Just sayin’.
Jody (a3e961) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:04 pmIt’s being withheld for your own protection, Jody – the unedited tape will blast your very soul.
D. Aristophanes (4633ab) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:09 pmSometimes I think only one Sadly No commenter is every troll here. They are certainly dedicated.
All. One. Guy.
crid (0356be) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:12 pmD. Aristophanes,
Nice Olbermann-style retraction.
Why, when you knew about this earlier, did you not correct your earlier post? Do you have to be repeatedly goaded to tell the truth?
Patterico (c218bd) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:12 pmSPQR @ #124– Nope, never been to this site before today.
L.N. Smithee @125– Okay, I’ll do my best on this. First argument doesn’t hold water. If I get an extra dollar for registering Mickey Mouse as a voter in Las Vegas, it’s probably a bigger problem when Mickey, Minnie, Goofy and the whole gang show up at the polling place. Not so sure that’s happened. And I once got a copy of the WSJ from a newsstand with Section C was taken out of it! The authorities refused to indict Rupert Murdoch, can you believe it? That’s an analogy; it didn’t really happen
Second point is gibberish, unless you’re saying that theoretical “misdeeds” are minorities. I’ll take you to mean that supporters of organizations whose constituents are by and large the poorer members of society (and likely to be comprised of minorities to a greater degree than Caucasian) are quick to cite race animus as a contributing factor to the outcry absent other identifiable factors, then, well, duh!
Third, I don’t think every conservative thinks anything. I do think that people who are attracted to this particular issue are, by and large, driven by some underlying problem with poor people getting a greater voice. But Eric Bull-Alert–That’s funny! I don’t think I said that minorities are predisposed to prostitution and such; I don’t know, the underground criminal world does accept all colors; it’s the poor thing (and the morals thing) that’s most important. After all, O’Keefe and Giles are white, and people believed they were needy, right? Throwing in Garofalo was a nice touch; you just needed to say narcissist and TelePrompTer, and you probably could’ve filled in your Rightwing Bingo card.
Next, I don’t buy the Planned Parenthood thing, like I don’t buy the affirmative action bake sale thing. Pretty sure if the RNC called and asked for money, and I said I wanted it to go to fund the Ronald Reagan Alzheimer’s Pinata, I think they’d take the check.
Color is only skin deep, but angry and paranoid goes straight to the bone.
Theocracy (64e989) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:12 pmD. Aristophanes responded in his post at sadlyno as a man in the most manly manner.
I do not think that anyone could question his manly response as a man. He is certainly a man. His manhood is evident by his manly prose and the manly way he asserts his manhood to discount those who would question his manliness in any manly way.
He is a man.
Ag80 (f67beb) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:15 pmD. Aristophanes – That update, retraction, correction or whatever thingy of yours really cleared things up nicely. Thanks.
You can go to bed feeling good about yourself! Or maybe not, as the case may be.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:16 pmIn your post I see that you want to me to start leaning on OTHER PEOPLE to retract THEIR statements to show MY honesty.
If that’s the game we’re playing, I have a long, long list of lefty posts I would love to see you denounce, from Blumenthal to Brad Friedman to Eric Boehlert and beyond.
Somehow I don’t think you want to start down that road.
And I agree: we should be responsible for our own words only.
SPEAKING OF WHICH: you have some mischaracterizations of my above post that you made right here in this thread which you have failed to correct. Since we now know that you produce retractions only after people nag you to, consider this my second request that you correct your mischaracterizations above.
Patterico (c218bd) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:17 pm“Color is only skin deep, but angry and paranoid goes straight to the bone.”
Theo – You ought to know, you are exhiniting all the signs.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:20 pmTheocracy said:
Color is only skin deep, but angry and paranoid goes straight to the bone.
Omniscience goes straight to the head.
Ag80 (f67beb) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:22 pm“Next, I don’t buy the Planned Parenthood thing, like I don’t buy the affirmative action bake sale thing.”
Theo – You don’t have, just as you don’t have to buy O’Keefe’s explanation for the whole ACORN video deal which is laid out with the first video release on September 10 on Biggovernment.com. Were you the commenter who mentioned Occam’s razor?
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:24 pmI don’t want to throw fuel on the fire here, and I haven’t read all the trolls’ posts on this thread, but I can’t help the feeling that they’re all motivated by a desire to promote child prostitution.
Patterico (c218bd) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:24 pmAh, I see, Mr. Aristophanes. Sadly I have no soul to worry about in such a fashion.
I do wonder if our esteemed host considers calls to view the unedited tape ‘trolling’, however. Maybe he considers it a form of child prostitution?
Jody (a3e961) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:28 pmIt does not want to put fuel on the fire, while it proceeds to empty a 50 gallon drum of gasoline onto the fire. RACISTS !!!!
JD (9de9ff) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:29 pm“… Nope, never been to this site before today…”
Comment by Theocracy — 2/24/2010 @ 8:12 pm
Does anyone know how to turn off a BSD klaxon that is stuck “ON”?
AD - RtR/OS! (955a97) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:30 pmComment by Patterico — 2/24/2010 @ 8:24 pm
And great defenders of a certain Polish emigre too, probably.
AD - RtR/OS! (955a97) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:33 pm“I do wonder if our esteemed host considers calls to view the unedited tape ‘trolling’, however.”
Jody – Given that Breitbart has repeatedly laid out conditions for conditions for releasing the unedited video, calls for their release are a bit redundant. They do serve, hovever, with their accompanying dishonesty, particlarly from bloggers and the MSM, to validate Breitbart’s reasons for not releasing them right of the bat in the first place, so he’s got that going for him, which is nice.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:46 pmHe is a man.
And certainly NOT a table.
Duros62 (9d7d35) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:49 pmI’m pretty sure this dude and I barely agree on anything, but we are united by the view that this is something that is simply too serious for partisan games. ACORN is way beyond acceptable. It has nothing to do with race or party. Anyone who looks at this and thinks the outrage is partisanship or some anger at ACORN supposedly helping minorities (I think they are hurting minorities) is a psycho.
There are so many things to bash the right for if you want to have fun that way. But defending ACORN is completely insane.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:51 pmD. Aristophanes:
To be clear, you didn’t exactly completely tell the truth about what you did in your original post, which was cite Dave Weigel as a witness to something, and doing nothing to correct that even after Weigel EXPLICITLY SAID that he should not be a considered a witness to that very something. And after you KNEW Weigel had said that.
I.e. you were dishonest and you’re not acknowledging that.
Hence the reference to an Olbermann-style correction.
Don’t think you have fooled anyone who is paying attention.
Patterico (c218bd) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:52 pmI formally apologize to D. Aristophanes for overstating his honesty.
Patterico (c218bd) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:56 pmLet’s get that video and then see who’s being dishonest, shall we?
Jody (a3e961) — 2/24/2010 @ 8:58 pmJust listen to the whole audio. Or read the transcript (takes less time, probably). Or do you just ache to watch people do things that make you cringe?
Dianna (f12db5) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:03 pmDustin
That was my point in the total beginning…
This MUST be investigated and anyone actually trying to aide and abet child sex slavery deserves the sternest of measures and the Democrats could play this quite well to clean up and get rid of those in that organization that did it.
Makes you wonder what the hell is going on before the tapes started
My Point was Okeefe could have used a bag of money – instead of picking such a horrible topic.
But regardless of his outlandishness and his total foolishness in New Orleans
The tapes MORE than speak for themselves
EricPWJohnson (54c55f) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:04 pmJody,
I suspect you will see more video. I think for sure you’ll see some closer to the election.
But we already have enough video to know who is being dishonest. If you really think there’s any way to explain away ACORN’s behavior, you’re crazy.
EPWJ is right, O’Keefe picked a scandalous topic. No doubt he’s not the smoothest operator and he’s out to get some gotcha style journalism. But the severity of what’s on the video is too much for any democrat or republican or whoever to play games with.
Any tax form prepared by ACORN or mortgage application should be audited. Every single office should have a cop in it. Sting operations should be underway constantly. And those asserting we haven’t seen enough to conclude ACORN is beyond redemption are hopeless.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:08 pmAnd don’t ask for more tapes unless you have already watched and listened to all that’s available. And if you have done that and aren’t convinced, well…
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:10 pmIt’s certainly cringeworthy, but I’m more wondering what exactly he wore to the ACORN offices as opposed to what he presented himself as wearing.
I mean, as long as we’re talking about honesty here…
Jody (a3e961) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:10 pm… consider this my second request that you correct your mischaracterizations above.
Sir, you un-man me! Seriously, though, the retraction post on S,N makes clear that Weigel later reported that he could not confirm O’Keefe manning the table. That is the correction you were looking for, right?
D. Aristophanes (4633ab) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:13 pmAre you a member of the fashion police?!
Get a grip. It’s what he said, not what he was wearing.
So far as I recall, he never said, “I’m her pimp.” Of course, in the dreadful neighborhoods I lived in, not once did I hear a pimp describe himself as such; generally, they call themselves “ladies’ men” or some such. However, there was no doubt about what was meant when he kept calling her, “My girl”.
Your mileage, of course, may vary. You may believe whatever you choose to.
Dianna (f12db5) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:16 pmHoly Mangoes, Batman!
Why are all the rejects from gaypatriot spending their evening whining about the allleged someone said that someone oelse once said and you better take that back? By which, of course, I mean you.
PeeJ (c1bb51) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:18 pmJody
There’s no doubt what Okeefe did, I disagree here totally that he’s not culpable to some extent with his conduct, but that is mild, a slap on the wrist if that mildness.
But Okeefe is not the problem – he’s being dealt with severely and with the sternest of measures.
The problem is that every ACORN office was more than willing to help him establish child sex trades even offering more than advice.
OMG! And Hannah Giles and Okeefe are going to be investigated and are going to have a lengthy legal process – however the overwhelming weight of a horrible potential crime was totally on the ACORN people and now the officials that are either covering it up or ignoring it.
Even if it was David Duke instead of Okeefe – it doesnt for one degree change what ACORN did on those tapes – not one iota.
Say what you want about Okeefe, the ACORN people are the one’s who were willing to violate the law eagerly and enthusiastically.
EricPWJohnson (54c55f) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:20 pmPatterico – Bradbots seem dumber than your average trolls.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:25 pmHey, if you’re convinced that heavily doctored footage of a college kid festooned in 80s pimp gear exposing the ACORN racket is legit then that’s fine by me. The undoctored footage should show the same thing. Nothing to worry about there. Nosiree.
I don’t know why people would be so defensive about it.
Jody (a3e961) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:25 pm“I’m more wondering what exactly he wore to the ACORN offices ”
I knew, from watching the videos Breitbart posted, that he wore slacks and a normal dorky shirt.
You’re welcome for this bit of obviousness. It was also pretty obvious to anyone who actually watched the videos that he wasn’t wearing a ridiculous clownish pimp costume when posing as a true Chicago style democrat. These tapes were very serious. The actions and mood were serious. No one thought O’keefe was kidding around.
I know a lot of papers parroted the AP line that he was in a costume, but I don’t think they seriously watched the tapes first. That was having fun at the amazing depth ACORN sank to. It doesn’t hurt O’Keefe’s case that he looked like a seriously corrupt aspiring politician, it bolsters it.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:27 pmExactly, Eric.
Disregard the ACORN reports where they reported O’Keefe as soon as he left, or went to their supervisor after playing along. The undoctored footage would just confirm his role in everything.
And besides, even if he did misrepresent himself and ACORN, his being punished for an entirely different crime is punishment enough, is it not?
Jody (a3e961) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:29 pmJody, I’m really sorry about your lack of reading comprehension. I’m even sorrier about your inability to process the information from the videos.
It must be difficult waking up in a new universe every few seconds.
Dianna (f12db5) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:31 pmSir, you un-man me!
Comment by D. Aristophanes — 2/24/2010 @ 9:13 pm
Again? Dude, it’s getting to be a habit over here isn’t it?
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:31 pmJody
I’d be the last person you’d want to say is defensive – Okeefe may go to jail for up to 10 years for what he did in New Orleans and hey – I’m more than okay with that
He’s a little racist turd who used child sex slavery as a topic to gain personal wealth and notoriety – not my favorite person – I have nothing against him but his conduct – he has to atone for that as we all do
Doesnt change what he uncovered – even someone has morally bankrupt and jaded as him must have been gobsmacked at the response he got from ACORN.
Doctored, edited or not – those tapes are some of the most disturbing footage ever in American Political History
Crimes were committed, horrible crimes, and they are being covered up for political reasons – this went beyond the political realm when the first little girl was offered up for a short lifetime of hell on earth that most of us cannot comprehend
Willingly by ACORN.
EricPWJohnson (54c55f) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:33 pmJody, I’m not defensive about the red herring you keep bringing up. You’re just ignoring the obvious. The unedited audio and the carefully cut video are damning.
I’m pretty sure you know that already. ACORN repeatedly lied and this is their latest goal post position. Sorry, as soon as they explained how to get children for sex slaves, or as soon as they told someone to hide their pimp profits, or as soon as they told someone to lie on tax forms and mortgage applications, we all knew instantly that nothing O’Keefe edited out of the hours of footage could exonerate them.
Why are you defending ACORN? And that’s exactly what you’re doing. you’re helping them help criminals. I suppose I can’t prove it to your insanely unfair standards, but we all know that they didn’t blink in this case because they help criminals every day. And most of these criminals are drug dealers. Thanks for helping them. Sleep tight tonight, partisan warrior of the internet.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:33 pmBut what was he wearing?! RACISTS
This Jody thingie is not even good at this.
JD (a44e13) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:35 pmI hope we see all the video. It would be a lot more than we ever get from Michael Moore, and I know we’ll never see all the ACORN documents that were destroyed, but I still hope to see it all.
I don’t think it all matters and bet a lot of it is unwatchable and unhelpful, but that’s OK. I also know the Jodys will just move on to a new issue and forget this one. Like they did the last 600 times ACORN lied.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:36 pmBreitbart is going to jail too.
JD (a44e13) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:38 pmAnother interesting bit the left got wrong about O’Keefe’s dress: he wasn’t in a phone repairman outfit in Louisiana. I wonder if they will cite this as proof O’Keefe lied about something, when that video is released. Probably.
The MSM claimed O’Keefe wore the pimp outfit during the sting. Because they didn’t pay attention. Blaming O’Keefe for that shows you got nothin’ better for defending ACORN. So stop doing it.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:40 pmJody and the other libtard whiners – Go ahead and ignore the substance of the released videos. It makes you look like idiots. Congress didn’t. Bertha Lewis didn’t.
From Bertha’s comments in ACORN’s 9/16/09 Press Release:
“As a result of the indefensible action of a handful of our employees, I am, in consultation with ACORN’s Executive Committee , immediately ordering a halt to any new intakes into ACORN’s service programs until completion of an independent review.”
“Said Ms. Lewis: “We have all been deeply disturbed by what we’ve seen in some of these videos. I must say, on behalf of ACORN’s Board and our Advisory Council, that we will go to whatever lengths necessary to reestablish the public trust.”
Lewis knew the damage created by having her employees caught on tape advising a pimp and prostitute how to evade taxes, engage in mortgage fraud and conduct a child sex slavey business. It’s too bad morons such as yourselves don’t see the same thing and keep defending the conduct on the tapes.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:41 pmDaley – it never occurs to them that they should be embarrassed that Bertha Lewis has more of a moral compass than darisophistry, Jody, and their ilk.
JD (a44e13) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:47 pm“I have nothing against him but his conduct”
EricPW – And that he’s a racist little turd, right? You have not presented your case for that big guy.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:49 pmdaleyrocks, that’s really the perfect response.
Jody either didn’t bother watching what’s already out there, or s/he’s OK with child prostitution and mortgage fraud. And I would bet quite a bit that Jody will not actually watch the unedited video when it is available. Such people will simply assert there’s something else that the entire case hinges on.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 9:53 pmAnother interesting bit the left got wrong about O’Keefe’s dress
Dustin, it was Giles in the dress … or was it? RELEASE THE TAPES BREITBART!
D. Aristophanes (4633ab) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:02 pmSir, you un-man me! Seriously, though, the retraction post on S,N makes clear that Weigel later reported that he could not confirm O’Keefe manning the table. That is the correction you were looking for, right?
Except that you misstated what you got wrong and how dishonest you were about it.
And you once again ignored your mischaracterizations of this post. I ask for a third time for you to correct them.
Patterico (c218bd) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:04 pmLibtard whining? Unfair standards? About some raw footage? Wow. Maybe there’s something to that. Otherwise surely people wouldn’t be getting so up-ons about it.
It’s almost as if they know the footage would reveal a typical ratfucking operation and the released footage was designed to fit a pre-determined conclusion.
But hey. If people are happy to convict without seeing all the evidence, who am I to judge?
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Jody (a3e961) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:05 pmIf I were to lie a lot on Amazon to make someone I disagreed with lose a lot of sales revenue, and I came here to brag about it, would I reasonably be able to expect that to impress anyone?
Sadly, No is the kind of blog where lying is actually really impressive if it screws with those evil moderates and conservatives.
D.A., I think you should just fess up and say you think the ends justified the means. It’s Sadly, No, after all.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:13 pmWhat do you mean, not all the evidence? What more do you want? Did you watch the videos and listen to the full audio? ACORN gave explicit instructions on how to cheat and lie in order to profit from prostitution. Of course, like every sting, there is an editing process to put a several hours story into the relevant 10 or 20 minutes. You have a complete audio recording already.
You sarcastically repeat, over and over, that we’re prejudging without all the evidence. You’re making an assertion that there’s some possible way the rest of the recording could possibly exonerate ACORN. How?
Can you name a single sting that had the raw unedited work product released? This requirement is not only completely unnecessary, it’s also unprecedented. If you had a tape of the NRA giving guns to pimps to help keep their slaves in line, you wouldn’t demand to see the cut clips of the ten hour surveillance.
You’re wasting your time. Have you listened to the full audio and watched all the tapes? Which assertion of O’Keefe’s do you find unproven? Be specific.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:34 pm“But hey. If people are happy to convict without seeing all the evidence, who am I to judge?”
Jody – You are nobody and that’s the point. Congress, the Census Bureau and the IRS all saw enough to cut ACORN off. Bertha Lewis saw enough to condemn and fire employees and voluntarily shut parts of her operation. Do YOU believe you KNOW more than they do about the same footage everybody saw or believe it was for some reason harmless in ways others do not?
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:38 pmMaybe ACORN was in on it, daleyrocks. Maybe this is a conspiracy that goes all the way to the top. Prove me wrong. Bertha and O’Keefe are working together. I don’t even think there is an ACORN. Can you prove it’s not a “ratfucking” fake organization? Show me tapes proving it wasn’t.
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Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:45 pm“Maybe this is a conspiracy that goes all the way to the top.”
Dustin – It very well could. Wasn’t Ron Paul asking Bernanke today about the Fed being in on Watergate and Sadaam? We need to get him on the case. He can sniff out conspiracies like nobody’s business.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:51 pmAlso, Anthem Blue Cross raised their premiums to scare people and get health care reform passed.
D. Aristophanes (4633ab) — 2/24/2010 @ 10:54 pmThe true irony here is that the same people who are clamoring, “Release the unedited tapes!”, are largely the same people who ridicule Birthers for wanting to see the long-form birth certificate.
Stashiu3 (44da70) — 2/24/2010 @ 11:11 pmD. Aristophanes – Corporatist!
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/24/2010 @ 11:15 pm“The true irony here is that the same people who are clamoring, “Release the unedited tapes!”…….”
Stashiu3 – The true irony is that those people will lie about what is on the unedited tapes after they are released, just as they are lting about what is on the edited tapes now. That’s why Breitbart established conditions for how he will release them, to minimize the lying.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/24/2010 @ 11:19 pmThe true irony here is that the same people who are clamoring, “Release the unedited tapes!”, are largely the same people who ridicule Birthers for wanting to see the long-form birth certificate.
That is true. And yet . . .
The very truest irony is that if you released the unedited videos, they would claim that those videos were doctored.
I learned a long time ago that you can’t convince the unconvincable.
Patterico (c218bd) — 2/24/2010 @ 11:19 pmAnd for Sadly No idiots to throw out the race card is highly ironic, seeing as how I very clearly caught them in their racism, and showed it here several times before. But hey, why not a repeat performance?
So those idiots from Sadly No go around throwing race as the reason for everything Conservatives do are only projecting (and lying).
John Hitchcock (275d84) — 2/24/2010 @ 11:23 pmSpeaking of New Orleans…
AD - RtR/OS! (955a97) — 2/24/2010 @ 11:47 pmHas the USA returned an indictment yet on O’Keefe & Co.?
In comments to his little faux retraction, D. Aristophanes now asserts the right to say any falsehood he likes as long as it is confined to my comments.
Like I said. He poses as someone who is serious and cares about truth.
Poses.
The off topic shit is funny though.
Patterico (c218bd) — 2/24/2010 @ 11:47 pmSorry, I am late to this party. the ACORN thing looked pretty scumy, but what is the problem about releasing the tapes? Breidbart & this O’Keefe guy appear to be pretty shady operators in the first place, so i would like to see the full context of the interviews.
I think if things were round the other way, you guys would demand nothing less.
real scotsman (9534f1) — 2/24/2010 @ 11:47 pmHas the USA returned an indictment yet on O’Keefe & Co.?
No.
Patterico (c218bd) — 2/24/2010 @ 11:49 pmReal scotsman, I think you were late to your own birthing, by several years. But don’t let that stop you from repeating old leftist talking points and ignoring the facts.
John Hitchcock (275d84) — 2/24/2010 @ 11:59 pmJohn,
I come over here and make a polite comment, mildly disagreeing with your take on this issue, and this is the abuse I get, thanks for being so civil.
Reason I am late to the story is that I am not American (the name should seem obvious from my nym) and wasn’t really aware if the story until today. Back in Europe we tend to get all worked up about real issues, not a childish game of who said what to whom.
As for the story, from what I can understand, there appears to be sh1ty behavior on both sides. The tapes I have seen somewhere (Breidbart?) do seem to condemn the ACORN folk, although some might argue that they are humouring the tow of them. However, what i really cannot understand is the unwillingness to release the unedited tapes? Can you explain that to me (without insulting me).
Oh, and by the way, I am not a leftist.
real scotsman (9534f1) — 2/25/2010 @ 12:06 am“Can you explain that to me (without insulting me).”
real scotsman – Breitbart explains it hinself on biggovernment.com.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/25/2010 @ 12:11 amTwo, not tow, btw.
As for ‘facts’, it appears to be a very slippery concept round here. I have read through all the tedious comments on this blog posting, and am still not 100% up on the ‘facts’. Perhaps it is my reading comprehension, but this is my take on the facts to date:
1. O’Keefe & friend decided to sting ACORN
2. During the sting they appear to have caught ACORN employees suggesting illegal activities, through what appears to be a heavily edited tape.
3. They do the rounds on Fox etc, with the tape, claiming (or implying) that they were both dressed in those ridiculous costumes while performing the sting
4. Much rejoicing on the right
5. O’Keefe and three different friends get arrested in odd circumstances in a US senators office.
6. It emerges that O’Keefe & friend actually were not dressed up like that originally claimed
7. The court case for the 2nd offense has still to be held.
8. O’Keefe appears to have either attended or mixed with, how can I put this, radical groups, while in college (but hey, who hasn’t)
8. I am not sure if ACORN have been charged with anything yet.
9. Breidbart (sp?) has not released the full tapes, for whatever reason.
Am I about right?
real scotsman (9534f1) — 2/25/2010 @ 12:23 amIf so, then both sides to this sad little argument are more in the wrong, than the right, IMHO.
Dalyrocks,
yeah, i read big government, but struggled with the justification for not releasing the tapes, as well as, the (understandably) one sided viewpoint(s). This Briedbart person does seem a little unstable as well, looking though his website. I’m not sure I would be so keen to support someone like that! But maybe its an american thing?
real scotsman (9534f1) — 2/25/2010 @ 12:28 amreal scotsman, you repeat a lot of disproven lies. You could look into it on this site or biggovernment if you were interested. But apparently you’re not.
Breitbart is unstable? How? O’Keefe attended radical groups like you did in college? Which ones?
Guilty until proven innocent doesn’t really sum up your attitude. It’s guilty after repeatedly debunking the accusations, because your crew comes in the next thread and the next one to demand that the same debunked lies be debunked. Oh, you’re so confused and it’s so hard to keep up since you’re not one of us Americans! You don’t even know Breitbart’s name (though you have given his account of this careful consideration)!
“Am I about right?”
No, of course not. You’re repeating so many debunked smears that it is simply unreasonable to demand they all be debunked again. you’re the one throwing around serious accusations of radical clubs and racism and editing. You have access to unedited audio. It’s clear the tapes are not doctored, just cut for length and ease of viewing. It’s clear O’Keefe was not in extreme orgs in college like you claim you were.
Asserting so many things without evidence, after they are disproven, is unreasonable and radical, but even you admit ACORN is behaving horribly. Thanks. It’s nice to know even radical leftists who are willing to generalize and entire nationality such as “Americans” admits the obvious truth.
This is why Breitbart set conditions. You claim you are familiar with them and say they are evidence Breitbart is unstable. Explain that, please. Show us some good faith. What exactly was unreasonable?
Just grant, for the sake of argument, that you are repeating lies without evidence. Doesn’t that prove Breitbart’s argument?
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/25/2010 @ 12:49 amreal scotsman, I didn’t cry when me own father was hung for stealing a pig. But I’ll cry now.
Patterico (c218bd) — 2/25/2010 @ 12:58 amJust for grins, “real scotsman,” why don’t you list the sources for your information? If you truly aren’t a familiar sock-puppeting leftist (I’m too lazy to check) I’d love to know who is so badly misinforming you.
Patterico (c218bd) — 2/25/2010 @ 1:02 am“real scotsman” # 198 – you are sounding more like ‘real Daily Record’, with a little too much ‘real Grauniad’ thrown in …
Next thing you’ll be telling us is that haggis isn’t a flightless bird that lives on mountainsides, and that is isn’t divided into two distinct subspecies (deasil and widdershins) depending upon whether the long leg is on the port side or the starboard side …
Have you no shame, “real scotsman” ?
Alasdair (205079) — 2/25/2010 @ 1:08 amI love how you say “If so, then both sides to this sad little argument are more in the wrong, than the right, IMHO.”
You might not understand our bizarre American values, but here, helping someone rape or sex-slave kids is really really really wrong. It’s not a sad little thing. It would take something horrible on O’Keefe’s part, with proof, to justify your attempt to equivocate them together like that.
So whatever it is you accuse O’Keefe and Breitbart for being, when they have proof, you’re obviously projecting what you are, to a much greater degree, if you don’t have proof.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/25/2010 @ 1:14 amEncourage Breitbart to release the unedited tapes. Publish the transcript of your attempts.
Mothra (41d4bb) — 2/25/2010 @ 3:38 amWhat will the raw footage show that the full unedited audio and transcripts do not? These threads attracts the transparent trolls like a moth to a flame. I love how they all like to act like they are somehow above the fray, while spitting out their talking points.
JD (de0c49) — 2/25/2010 @ 5:31 amReasons for not releasing full tape = Cowardice and Fear of Truth.
gocart mozart (901044) — 2/25/2010 @ 6:05 amNow that was a compelling argument. I love how these clowns run around here whacking people with that red herring, acting as though editing makes something nefarious. Would that same standard be applied anywhere else?
JD (b537f4) — 2/25/2010 @ 6:13 amRelease the long form tape!! Buggadda buggadda!
[Oily Taint impression at no extra charge]
You are the people claiming some evil conspiracy and yet refuse to release all of the evidence. I have nothing to hide. If Oily Taint had “proof” that Obama was a Kenyan born Islamic devil would she hide it from you? I mean if the price was right.
gocart mozart (901044) — 2/25/2010 @ 6:30 amI find it rather amusing that the people yelling “Release the tapes” are probably the same individuals who found Phil Jones’ refusal to comply with FOIA requests on his climate data acceptable.
I have nothing to hide.
Someone calling himself “gocart mozart” probably shouldn’t be making claims like that.
Another Chris (2d8013) — 2/25/2010 @ 7:02 amWTF is that drivel?
JD (b537f4) — 2/25/2010 @ 7:05 am^”…and I am LOTHAR OF THE HILL PEOPLE!”
Dmac (799abd) — 2/25/2010 @ 7:15 am“I find it rather amusing that the people yelling “Release the tapes” are probably the same individuals who found Phil Jones’ refusal to comply with FOIA requests on his climate data acceptable.”
Is he a US government agency subject to FOIA?
[note: fished from spam filter. –Stashiu]
imdw (890d4b) — 2/25/2010 @ 7:27 amFREE MUMIA, FREE THE TAPES!!!!!
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/25/2010 @ 7:32 amI do wonder if our esteemed host considers calls to view the unedited tape ‘trolling’, however.
I don’t know about him, but I do. You don’t care what’s on the tape, edited or unedited. You’re commited to defending ACORN no matter what.
Subotai (bda015) — 2/25/2010 @ 7:37 amHave you read these “readily available” transcripts, j dizzle? I’d expect an answer, but I realize Dustin has not, am surprised to notice daleyrocks seems to have not. Everyday, these gents spend hours defending Patterico’s cause celebe, but they refuse to do any of the reading.
For God’s sake, Dustin is unaware that going to a conference where Jared Taylor speaks is controversial (a fact Breitbart admits to in his videotaped confrontation with Blumenthal)
I guess I get sycophants…they are certainly prevalent on the intertubes, but I don’t understand the joy of defending someone when you haven’t done the basic research).
Oh, and j “why would I want to see the unedited videos” dizzle, because the same person who would claim a new meaning to the term “nuclear option” and then claim Democrats were hostile to his new meaning 5 years ago is the sort of person who would peddle dishonest video editing by an alleged criminal. But, I get it, with you and Dustin and Subotai (nice name, probably still scares Russians) and dmac and daley and the rest of the “kill the lessenger,” you know who’s right because of the team they play for.
Check out Breitbart’s latest genius move at http://bloggasm.com/andrew-breitbarts-war-with-progressive-bloggers Who the hell refernces Footloose for God’s sake?
timb (449046) — 2/25/2010 @ 8:17 amFor God’s sake, Dustin is unaware that going to a conference where Jared Taylor speaks is controversial
You don’t get to decide what is and is not “controversial”, comrade. Taylor is no more or less “controversial” than Jeremiah Wright, and you did’nt seem too upset that Obama not only saw Wright on a regular basis but donated money to him.
you know who’s right because of the team they play for
This is coming from the people who defend ACORN against its well-established pattern of criminal behavior simply because it is on their “team”.
Subotai (bda015) — 2/25/2010 @ 8:33 amI just love the LCD nature of that Sadly No commentary section. It’s a race to the bottom with them. But I believe I learned something out of all this: how to add an IP to my spam filter. So it’s a net gain.
John Hitchcock (2b015f) — 2/25/2010 @ 8:39 amLink to a thirty page PDF about ACORN shenanigans. It’s not even a complete accounting of that ACORN has been up to, but it’s a good start.
Subotai (bda015) — 2/25/2010 @ 8:47 amI thought transcripts weren’t sufficient?
Stashiu3 (44da70) — 2/25/2010 @ 9:18 amWhat do you expect from a fake Japanese monster? Or is that a Japanese fake monster?
John Hitchcock (2b015f) — 2/25/2010 @ 9:21 am“For God’s sake, Dustin is unaware that going to a conference where Jared Taylor speaks is controversial”
timb – If you think that’s controversial, what do you call attendinding a full tilt loon Jan Schakowksy’s health care townhall?
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/25/2010 @ 9:30 amTotally ironic, but correct.
On one side is the team that originally recognized that humans have rights, and continues to value them; and on the other is the team that has used ovens and gulags and all kinds of other fun things to impose “social justice” (really just a euphemism for a polite form of mob rule. Although not so polite in the last century’s efforts.)
I know which team I’m rooting for.
And timb ain’t on it.
EW1(SG) (edc268) — 2/25/2010 @ 9:37 amMy my, there sure is a lot of smoke & mirrors action going on all of a sudden – almost like some folks were running scared or something.
I could care less whether he had his Huggy Bear drag on when he was doing it or not: what he did was both illegal & pathetic.
The real story: ACORN registers urban poor people (mostly blacks) to vote & the GOP has wanted them dead for a long long time, as the numerous (fruitless) GOP-instigated investigations of ACORN over the years amply demonstrate, wingnut fairytales of vote-fraud & corruption notwithstanding. O’Keefe isn’t a “citizen journalist” any more than Hanna Montana is – he’s a political hit-man (& as recent events show, a laughably inept one at that).
So where’s the video of the other 30 or so ACORN offices telling Giles & O’Keefe to hit the road? THOSE are the REAL UNEDITED “TAPES” (actually digital files). My guess is that being the Quality Journalist that he is, O’Keefe deleted them rather than be made to look like an idiot on a fishing-expedition. I bet there’d be some real comedy gold there – too bad the “prankster” O’Keefe lacks much of a real sense of humor when it comes to self-pwnage.
Pretty hilarious for O’Keefe to now claim he knows nothing about the law as regards recording people without consent – he’s being sued by some of the ACORN workers he smeared, but I guess his lawyer doesn’t want to sully his client’s beautiful mind with a basic review of privacy-rights or the law.
Attendees at CPAC cheered Tancredo when he floated the idea of reinstating the voting tests that were used for years to disenfranchise black voters – who overwhelmingly vote Democrat … & the legislative defunding & balkanization (LOL) of ACORN that O’Keefe’s scam produced has that exact same result … but gosh, it’s all just a freaky coincidence! LIEberals are teh real racists – just ask Michael Steele!!!!1111!!!11!!1!!eleventy!
jim (92d3f2) — 2/25/2010 @ 11:01 amLOL. This is totally ridiculous. The videos tell the truth about ACORN, and it’s already proven ACORN thugs vote fraudulently too (a separate issue from whether they engage in mortgage fraud or help criminals with their enterprises).
This is correct. I think going to a debate and supporting the guy who argues against Taylor, who argues against racism, but seeing the debate take place, is a great thing that doesn’t warrant any controversy at all. I wish the democrats were as honest about race as the GOP is, but as we can see, the democrats want to exploit race to cover up other issues.
ACORN is not helping minorities. It’s destroying their communities. Unless you think giving people crack to register to vote, helping pimps and dealers hide their slum dealings, and being part of local corruption actually helps a community.
There’s a reason minorities/whites living far away from ACORN infestations are usually much happier. Me, I really don’t care what people’s race is. It never occurs to me to think this way.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/25/2010 @ 11:10 amThat was a wonderful fact-filled spittle-flecked screed, timb and jim.
JD (ecfc8b) — 2/25/2010 @ 11:13 amI seem to remember that timb is one of the less fair and honest commenters (my sincere apologies if I am mistaken), sorta along the lines of intelliology and assclown doodeyheads.
He claims that he can tell that I haven’t read the transcripts. So obviously he can point to something I’ve said here and some specific thing in the transcripts that contradict eachother. Can timb back up his allegations? He’s here because he doesn’t think O’Keefe should make allegations even with video proof, so I guess he’s really got some ironclad evidence to back up what he said about me.
Either that or he’s the kind of person who lets criminals off the hook if he likes their politics.
While a lot of folks flood in here to insist fighting ACORN is only for keeping blacks from voting, I think the truth is that some democrats thing election fraud is their secret weapon, and ACORN is necessary to defend so it keeps committing election fraud. Surely no one still claims ACORN isn’t involved with election fraud, right?
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/25/2010 @ 11:18 am“So where’s the video of the other 30 or so ACORN offices telling Giles & O’Keefe to hit the road?”
jim – You are aware that Bertha Lewis is the only one making anything remotely like this claim and that she has been proven a stone liar on virtually everything she has said relating to the videos, right? Has she put out a list of the other offices they were turned away from? I have not seen one, have you? I would not hold your breath either.
daleyrocks (718861) — 2/25/2010 @ 11:40 amI laugh at the idea that ACORN is okay if 30 offices did the right thing and didn’t help O’Keefe. 7 offices offered to help do unconscionable things. I think a case could be made that 8 did, but 7 for sure without any reasonable defense.
O’Keefe has to provide video of all the offices he didn’t visit too? Wow. I wonder if the left would just come up with another impossible burden of proof if O’Keefe did just that.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/25/2010 @ 12:03 pmWhich 30 offices turned them away, called the cops, declined to participate? Wouldn’t you think that if 30 offices had done so, they might have come forward in the months that have passed?
JD (b537f4) — 2/25/2010 @ 1:25 pmDustin, in this thread you have shown you have, like jd, avoided doing something basic like reading “transcripts.” If you want to claim you have read them, then go ahead, but, if you did, you didn’t understand them.
You’ve also avoided knowledge that Giles admitted the reason she didn’t like ACORN was because of “voter fraud” (which is a made up charge and cost several US attorneys their jobs) and you’ve somehow missed that Giles admitted that James did not wear the pimp costume (“That was just “B” roll”), yet remained eerily silent as “news” hosts claimed he did. That is, after all, the substance of the Bohlert essay (which, can we imagine, you also neglected to read?).
As for Subotai
Hey, maybe talking about the genetic superiority of whites is not controversial in your house. Admittedly it is in mine and, apparently, in Breitbart’s. As to your contentions about what when on there, you can ask this attendee what he thought.
Let’s see, two links, a quote, a
timb (449046) — 2/25/2010 @ 1:54 pmExactly how have I proven that I have not read them, timb? I certainly did not memorize them, but I just as certainly read them. Not that your look something shiny point makes one iota of difference. It is just yet another example of you pulling things out of your arse, and having another one of your spittle-flecked rants. The rest is standard moonbat leftist drivel from someone that we have grown to expect that from. Run along. Good luck on the bar exam. I saw a chair at a bus stop that had room for advertising.
JD (b537f4) — 2/25/2010 @ 2:03 pmtimb, I asked you a very simple and specific question.
You made an accusation against me. Explain what your evidence is. You apparently think even video proof isn’t very strong evidence, so you must have something really powerful.
Did you make an accusation without any evidence? What a shock. And you guys expect us to accept your accusations that O’Keefe is racist and this is all about how ACORN innocently registered minorities and the GOP can’t stand that.
No one is surprised that Giles was interested in ACORN because of their famous voter registration fraud. That’s a good thing for her, not a bad thing. By following up on that, we’ve proven that ACORN commits vote fraud. You say I’m ignoring something, but we both know that you’re the one ignoring things.
ACORN is trying to tamper with elections. ACORN is willing to help criminals destroy communities. ACORN has no ethics and must be abolished. That’s kinda hard to ignore at this point and you will have to try harder.
Dustin (b54cdc) — 2/25/2010 @ 2:13 pmyou can ask this attendee what he thought.
I checked out your link, and saw nothing about the “genetic superiority of whites”. Could it be that you don’t know what you are talking about?
In my house it is considered controversial to claim that whites invented AID’s as a means of committing genocide against black people. But not in the White House under its current occupant. What about in your house?
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