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2/22/2010

ObamaCare Revealed: Hey, How Does Spending Another Trillion Dollars Grab You?

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:35 am



Obama has released his health care plan (we are now allowed to call it ObamaCare), and it will cost us $1 trillion. (What’s another trillion?) The AP weighs in with its timeless even-handed treatment:

President Barack Obama is putting forward a nearly $1 trillion, 10-year health care plan that would allow the government to deny or roll back egregious insurance premium increases that infuriated consumers.

“Egregious.” The fair and balanced treatment doesn’t end there:

Posted Monday morning on the White House Web site, the plan would provide coverage to more than 31 million Americans now uninsured without adding to the federal deficit.

Would it, now? Or, does it merely claim to?

Just how are we going to spend $1 trillion without adding to the deficit? Let’s look at the proposal itself for the details:

It puts our budget and economy on a more stable path by reducing the deficit by $100 billion over the next ten years – and about $1 trillion over the second decade – by cutting government overspending and reining in waste, fraud and abuse.

Ah. It’s OK to spend $1 trillion more, you see, because we’ll get it back by cutting fraud and abuse. That oughta work great. Who better to cut government spending than Barack Obama?

I wonder if I could secure a bank loan that is twice what I could afford with that argument. “Mr. Bank Man, I will make up the difference by reining in waste, fraud, and abuse in our household.” I doubt it. (Five years ago, I probably could have — and we all saw where that lax attitude towards debt got us.)

The plan lacks a public option. Hey, that part comes later. First we just have to get that $1 trillion camel’s nose inside the tent.

According to the New York Times, it also lacks a Stupak amendment:

And the bill offers the Senate’s less restrictive language on abortion; it does not include the so-called “Stupak amendment,” which would bar insurers from offering abortion coverage to anyone buying a policy with a federal subsidy. The absence of the Stupak provision, named for Representative Bart Stupak, the conservative Michigan Democrat, could complicate matters for Mr. Obama in the House, where conservatives, led by Mr. Stupak, are adamant that the provision be included.

Federal dollars for abortions? This just gets better and better!

But you had me at $1 trillion.

92 Responses to “ObamaCare Revealed: Hey, How Does Spending Another Trillion Dollars Grab You?”

  1. They just won’t give up….

    November can not get here fast enough.

    Dopey (a812c5)

  2. The usual fraud about this nonsense saving money.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  3. Let’s not and say we did.

    Mark L (dffa7e)

  4. Time to send Dumbo and his circus packing.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  5. BO does not know when to quit. I just hope that the next congress and specifically the R’s have the balls to repeal this crap if it gets passed.

    BT (74cbec)

  6. Like the insurance companies don’t make enough revenues as it is.

    Comment by imadouchebag

    Dmac (799abd)

  7. But what about Booosh’s exploding deficit?

    Comment by Smiley aka Sh-itEatingGrin

    Dmac (799abd)

  8. Every time they claim that it is deficit neutral or will reduce the deficit, people should point out how insulting of a lie that is.

    JD (3b62be)

  9. How is Obama going to guarantee $1 trillion in deficit reduction 11-20 years from now? He can’t bind Congress that far in advance.

    Some chump (050674)

  10. Obama Health Care Bill Does Not Include Stupak Language…

    Obama Details Plan to Expand Health Care to Uninsured

    By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG and DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
    Published: February 22, 2010

    WASHINGTON — President Obama
    on Monday laid out for the first time a detailed legislative……

    Defend America (516879)

  11. Government creates nothing. Well, except winner and losers.

    TimesDisliker (7a4255)

  12. The biggest fraud in this proposal in terms of the claimed “deficit neutrality” is the fact that to get to that point you have to count the $400 billion in cuts to payments to Medicare providers — doctors.

    Yes, that is in the bill.

    And there is a separate bill in Congress to restore those cuts called the “Doc Fix”.

    So, in reality, the bill adds $400 billion to the deficit over 10 years.

    shipwreckedcrew (3dde12)

  13. Shipwrecked – you should have said that it adds AT LEAST that much.

    JD (6a0bfc)

  14. The BASTARD needs to be IMPEACHED, or tar and feathered, which ever comes first it doesn’t matter to me.

    Sarah (98927a)

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  17. Like the insurance companies don’t make enough revenues as it is.

    Comment by imadouchebag

    Comment by Dmac — 2/22/2010 @ 8:02 am

    Preemtive trollstrike. Excellent!

    Matador (176445)

  18. Preemptive, duh.

    Matador (176445)

  19. The 1 Trillon will be offset by the 100 Million the administration will cut from it’s budget every year (like it did last year). Now, let me get out my calculator to see how many years that will take. 10 right? Er, or is that 100? Wait… 1000? Can’t be.

    Corwin (ea9428)

  20. I get the feeling the Magic 8-Ball is in charge.

    “Answer unclear – ask again later”

    mojo (8096f2)

  21. OF COURSE it still has a “public option.” In fact, it’s got single-payer in it! It’s just hidden.

    By claiming the power to roll back “egregious insurance premium increases” which are largely fueled by government cost-shifting in the first place, the government would have the power to simply drive private insurors out of business entirely, leaving their “voluntary public option” plan the only game in town.

    Tully (4dce1a)

  22. Oh yeah, let’s not forget that not only will those Medicare cuts never actually happen, but that they’re being double-counted in the first place.

    To describe the full amount of HI trust fund savings as both improving the government’s ability to pay future Medicare benefits and financing new spending outside of Medicare would essentially double-count a large share of those savings and thus overstate the improvement in the government’s fiscal position. –Congressional Budget Office

    Tully (4dce1a)

  23. The biggest fraud in this proposal in terms of the claimed “deficit neutrality” is the fact that to get to that point you have to count the $400 billion in cuts to payments to Medicare providers — doctors.

    Let’s not forget that not only will those Medicare cuts never actually happen, but that they’re being double-counted in the first place, so you have to double up the reverse entry there.

    To describe the full amount of HI trust fund savings as both improving the government’s ability to pay future Medicare benefits and financing new spending outside of Medicare would essentially double-count a large share of those savings and thus overstate the improvement in the government’s fiscal position. –Congressional Budget Office

    Tully (4dce1a)

  24. This won’t win him any GOP votes:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/republican-ideas

    imdw (d6bd12)

  25. Advances medical liability reform through grants to States: Provides grants to States to jump-start and evaluate promising medical liability reform ideas to put patient safety first, prevent medical errors, and reduce liability premiums.

    Yes, troll. The bill also did, and may still, bars this and any other incentive to states that cap liability, like California did in 1975. They used to call something like that a “shell game” but not enough people remember what that was.

    MIke K (2cf494)

  26. Michael Moore probably read “$1 Trillion” and creamed his maternity jeans.

    Icy Texan (449fea)

  27. Mike K – they have tried to insert that language and claim it as “tort reform” before. It is beyond dishonest, but the media let’s them get away with it.

    JD (f0742b)

  28. Right after setting up a commission to figure out how to reduce debt.

    Well that sounds serious doesn’t it.

    bill-tb (541ea9)

  29. Teh Won better start being nice to the bankers; they might be the only thing standing between him and the pitchforks.

    AD - RtR/OS! (93f531)

  30. imadouchebag’s expected idiocy never surprises.

    Dmac (799abd)

  31. “imadouchebag’s expected idiocy never surprises.”

    What you think it will win him GOP votes? then you’re an idiot.

    imdw (e6c812)

  32. So, imdw – how about you tell us what in that list of water-thin gruel is supposed to entice any GOP votes?

    Phil Smith (1cf25d)

  33. 31, imd-dumbass, can you eat by yourself or do you have to breastfeed from your mommy?

    Man, you are so stupid. There is nothing this socialist does to win GOP votes, except to resign office.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  34. imdw:

    This won’t win him any GOP votes.

    The GOP ideas that Obama included consist largely of ways to reduce costs. Typical. Democrats figure out new ways to spend taxpayer money and it’s up to Republicans to figure out how to pay for it.

    DRJ (6a8003)

  35. “So, imdw – how about you tell us what in that list of water-thin gruel is supposed to entice any GOP votes?”

    I said it wont.

    “Man, you are so stupid. There is nothing this socialist does to win GOP votes, except to resign office.”

    There was a good moment during SOTU when the GOP didn’t know whether to clap for tax cuts or not.

    imdw (8f8ead)

  36. There was a GREAT moment durint the SOTU, when Alito told us exactly what to make of the Male Socialist Pig’s rhetoric.

    Icy Texan (449fea)

  37. Oh, so you agree that it’s a farcically cynical ploy.

    Phil Smith (1cf25d)

  38. I find it relentlessly hilarious when imadouchebag’s own inanities are thrown back in it’s face. If it had ever heard of the term cognitive dissonance, at least then it would have a tiny smidgen of self – recognition regarding it’s asshattery.

    Dmac (799abd)

  39. Since imadouchebag only listens to the rampant Obama fanboy tape within it’s head, nevertheless the interview by noted lefty hack Deborah Solomon in last Sunday’s NYT will help explain Obama’s problem in terms even it can comprehend (note hacky – sack’s attempts to try to get Ryan to look foolish, and only looks foolish herself in the process):

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/21/magazine/21fob-q4-t.html?scp=1&sq=paul%20ryan&st=cse

    Dmac (799abd)

  40. “There was a GREAT moment durint the SOTU, when Alito told us exactly what to make of the Male Socialist Pig’s rhetoric.”

    But we even knew that was coming from just reading obama’s speech on the alito nomination.

    imdw (de7003)

  41. Looks like the little president man has shifted his focus from establishing dirty socialist health cares to demolishing the private and capitalistical kind.

    It’s more honest at least.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  42. I admit it is Monday afternoon and I haven’t yet opened the Sunday Times. But since you got to it before I, I’ll thank you for the heads up. I think the president and the democrats in congress would be quite eager to put the Ryan plan up for a vote. Even happier if they could trade that for a vote on up or down vote on health care.

    And you gotta love the New York Times for giving Ryan the space to declare “My kids, you know, we don’t eat sugar-loaded stuff at home. I eat organic.”

    Anything good in the Ethicist this week? Bill Cunningham?

    imdw (76df6f)

  43. Deflect! BUNNIES!

    JD (b5a4c1)

  44. “There was a good moment during SOTU when the GOP didn’t know whether to clap for tax cuts or not.”

    Comment by imdw

    That was either because they were trying to be polite and not have another “you lie” moment. Or they were dumb founded by Obama’s inability to understand fundamental tax jargon.

    The majority of the “95% of Americans that got a tax cut” got no tax “cut” at all. What they got was a tax “deferral”.

    That was the whopping extra $12 a month people got in their paychecks that was going to stimulate the economy and keep unemployment under 8%.

    These people’s taxes weren’t cut. They’ll pay what they would have anyway for 2009 income. They just pay it now rather than last year in deductions from their pay checks.

    A bewilder response is most appropriate to the claim: 95% of Americans got a tax cut in 2009, for any thinking person. Done you taxes yet?

    JayCee (00f5a1)

  45. People are tired of hearing about health care. I think they want the little president man to shut up about it. Even dirty socialists are sick of him droning on about it.

    Remember how he said there could be no recovery without health care reform?

    He’s such an idiot.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  46. “That was the whopping extra $12 a month people got in their paychecks that was going to stimulate the economy and keep unemployment under 8%.”

    A month? Looking at the reports it is a credit for 12-8 bucks a week. That adds up. Helps me out at least.

    imdw (215ff9)

  47. SEIU hospital workers must be thrilled!

    PJPony (3ba756)

  48. More sock-puppetry! YIPPEE!

    JD (5375e6)

  49. “…defenders of Medicare and Social Security…”

    Why wouldn’t they defend it?
    For Half-a-Century they opposed first SS, and then Medicare, and were crucified for it politically, and in the press, as both became the proverbial “Third-Rails” of politics.
    So, spare us your great concern for GOP ethics and morals over defending Social Security/Medicare.
    And, were you even alive when RR was President?
    Or, is that what the Seminar script told you to say?

    AD - RtR/OS! (93f531)

  50. “Remember how he said there could be no recovery without health care reform?”

    Hey remember when TARP was needed for health care reform? we’ve come a long way. Chill out.

    “Paul Ryan has some worthy suggestions about how to cut entitlements by, well, cutting them. But no one in the GOP is likely to take those proposals seriously, since the Reagan model has always been to talk about cutting entitlements while expanding them for key constituencies, cutting taxes and saying deficits don’t matter, unless Democrats are in power, then they do.”

    One addendum: the way to attack entitlements is to means test. This way they make the program not something universal but something for “those people” and then you can cut.

    imdw (55b119)

  51. More douchebaggery, none of which has anything to do with the topic, that BarckyCare’s pricetag is $1,000,000,000,000 +, at the very least, and no amount of accounting gimmicks and mendacity from the likes of dimwit will change that.

    JD (5375e6)

  52. More sock-puppetry! YIPPEE!
    Comment by JD — 2/22/2010 @ 2:10 pm

    “Lawn Order” was Hax, so the comments were removed and deleted as Patterico’s ban is still in effect.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  53. SHOCKA – He is on about his 5th name by now.

    JD (5375e6)

  54. DRJ: i really don’t see what the problem is with the price tag….

    after all, the Treasury Department still has plenty of checks, so we can’t be broke. %-)

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  55. He is on about his 5th name by now.
    Comment by JD — 2/22/2010 @ 2:50 pm

    He’s used more than 5 in a single weekend. They just don’t usually last long enough for anyone to notice. 😉

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  56. About as many sock-puppets as IMP has personalities.

    JD (5375e6)

  57. “A month? Looking at the reports it is a credit for 12-8 bucks a week. That adds up. Helps me out at least.”

    It adds up as a liability, a tax debt you now owe and will pay by 4/15 or before.

    I fail to see the “cut”, or the “credit”, anywhere in that.

    JayCee (00f5a1)

  58. A month? Looking at the reports it is a credit for 12-8 bucks a week. That adds up. Helps me out at least.

    You must have been thrilled with both of Bush’s “stimulus checks” then.

    Another Chris (2d8013)

  59. imdw – How do you reconcile this with Scott Brown’s jobs bill vote?

    daleyrocks (718861)

  60. On the White House site, Obama said his proposal contained the biggest middle class tax cut EVAH. WTF is he talking about?

    Bueller?

    daleyrocks (718861)

  61. Only a trillion? Boy, they’re smoking the good stuff there.

    htom (412a17)

  62. “It adds up as a liability, a tax debt you now owe and will pay by 4/15 or before.”

    You can’t be the only one that’s on to this. right?

    “imdw – How do you reconcile this with Scott Brown’s jobs bill vote?”

    this what? I think all the GOP should be voting for cloture.

    “You must have been thrilled with both of Bush’s “stimulus checks” then.”

    Like the JB’s sang — “You Can Have Watergate Just Gimme Some Bucks and I’ll Be Straight”

    imdw (b75942)

  63. Naturally, imadouchebag not only doesn’t read the link provided, but portrays more ignorance by opining on it anyway. Brilliant.

    Dmac (799abd)

  64. D, I read it. I quoted it. I’ll get to the rest of the Sunday Times. I mean, unless there’s other parts you want to recommend?

    imdw (bd4f90)

  65. “More douchebaggery, none of which has anything to do with the topic, that BarckyCare’s pricetag is $1,000,000,000,000 +, at the very least, and no amount of accounting gimmicks and mendacity from the likes of dimwit will change that.”

    Maybe we’ll have to have our next war off budget or something.

    imdw (bd4f90)

  66. BUNNIES!!!!!

    JD (22c46b)

  67. “You must have been thrilled with both of Bush’s “stimulus checks” then.”

    Comment by Another Chris

    No, you’re right, I wasn’t.

    But at least he didn’t ask for them back 10 months later.

    JayCee (00f5a1)

  68. JayCee says: “It adds up as a liability, a tax debt you now owe and will pay by 4/15 or before.”

    imdw says: “You can’t be the only one that’s on to this. right?”

    No, I’m not the only one that’s on to this.

    But you and Obama may be the only two people in the country that are not.

    JayCee (00f5a1)

  69. Maybe we’ll have to have our next war off budget or something.

    Do you realize that I posted this exact expected response from you (before you posted it here) on the later thread regarding the CBO?

    Dmac (799abd)

  70. _____________________________________________

    Pure arrogance and gall on the part of the idiot in the White House to be manuvering the way he is right now. But hardly surprising. After all, in the words of his former close spiritual leader:

    “Goddamn America! Your chickens are coming home to roost!!”
    _____________________________________________

    Mark (411533)

  71. “Do you realize that I posted this exact expected response from you (before you posted it here) on the later thread regarding the CBO?”

    See it’s not such a bad idea.

    “No, I’m not the only one that’s on to this.”

    Are you talking about the problems identified by the inspector general?

    http://www.treas.gov/tigta/auditreports/2010reports/201041002fr.pdf

    Or something else?

    imdw (603c39)

  72. People on this blog were against raising the debt limit. Wouldn’t that be the default these are meant to insure against?

    imdw (66b9ba)

  73. That is like its 8th attempt to deflect the discussion away from the topic. It is dizzy from spinning.

    JD (f56a68)

  74. No, imdw, you are once again pretending not to understand the topic in order to pretend to making a good faith comment that is in fact a troll.

    The debt limit specifies how much debt the Treasury can take on, ie., how much it is authorized to sell as debt instruments. The CDS mentioned by Prof Bainbridge are insuring against the US failing to pay those obligations.

    Understand, imdw, that no one is fooled by your act other than you.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  75. “The debt limit specifies how much debt the Treasury can take on, ie., how much it is authorized to sell as debt instruments. The CDS mentioned by Prof Bainbridge are insuring against the US failing to pay those obligations.”

    So the debt limit is used to pay out different obligations? We’d still pay out interest on treasuries?

    imdw (017d51)

  76. Again, imdw, your act is fooling no one but yourself.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  77. I asked at the time what the consequences would be of not raising the debt limit. Now I’m presented with a link that says that CDSs on treasuries are rising in prices, but doesn’t link to such a thing happening. I’m putting this together with instapundit talking about default, people talking about the US not meeting its obligations, and trying to figure out just what path wingnuttia is on.

    imdw (cd4b7a)

  78. and trying to figure out just what path wingnuttia is on.

    if you figure out where you are, that will be a first for you….. have someone take a picture.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  79. No, imdw, you are not. You are doing your usual act of pretending not to understand the topic as cover for trollery.

    The debt limit has nothing to do with default itself. And you know it.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  80. SPQR – neither of which have anything to do with the actual topic.

    JD (4a4e35)

  81. “The debt limit has nothing to do with default itself. And you know it.”

    Without the debt limit we can’t meet obligations. Does that include obligations on treasuries? Does that include obligations for which CDSs are available? Should they be available when so many argue that we should fail to raise the debt limit? What happens if one day congress decides to kook out and not raise the debt limit?

    imdw (613d03)

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  91. 3/08/2010
    To see the true Health care Tax forum you must stop thinking in 3-D,This multi tax forum is against a $100 Trillion Dollar system.. …
    To force pay into another system of failures within Health Care Insurance Groups.
    This economy will not balance with this concept of a tax forum against the Health Care System. The issue of how to force pay into this system of Health Care may have worked but I am still troubled over the progressive tax forum within this Bill. It covers so many items and Countries that it only forces the system to adjust itself. In some areas, increases against the people and the troubled economy, and in other areas, less effects will be felt.
    But this is my big problem, Government Officials seek help and they are to proud to ask us, “the true working force of Government.” It is understandable they have failed the People and within the United States Of America all we ask is to see us as who we are and not try to bring us into this world of the intellectual. I guess our Prime Directive is that of Star Trek, so it must be understood that for millions of people we are just as happy as can be making $13.00 per hour and we have no interest in this world of politics, and how to be a Enstine. Government Officials must understand that there is a level of people within different parts of this Country, that seek to be only that they find to make them happy.
    As for this economy well, it is said that the U.S.A. Arms Division has created enough arsenal to destroy every last creature in the world 2 times over,built with tax dollars. This would be funny if not for the irony of it. And now as time has passed Government Officials keep failing. Before 9/11 all the way to today.
    As it is in a world of a system, when employees continue to fail, one or two things happen, one; you get fired, two; if you see into a person a good, then it is political correct to implement a penalty or roll back in pay. But this implement of penalty is more favored in the course of action in the Federal Employment World. So how to fix the economy and unite it with the Health Care issue. It would be in the Countries best interest to implement a 10% per cent penalty against every State, County and Government Official within this Matrix of failures. Hey what is that old saying, what is good for the Goose is good for the Gander. I am serous about this, it is past due to show that our Government Officials they have failed, their system failure reaches into this world of warnings that they brush aside as if the information is not worthy noting. From Pearl Harbor to 9/11/2001 to 3/07/2010 of our tax system and Health Care Reform. This 10% per cent penalty should go into the Health Care Forum.
    The big problem that Government Officials have is that they have no street credit. President Obama still has some but if he does not take his family and step away from these dueling Parties, that fight over this Health Care Dollar, and stand with Us he will lose all credit from the streets to the county.
    President Obama, I would say to you, you have one last chance to regain the hopes and dreams of the American People. To reach out in a concept that states, if there is 250 million people in trouble because of these failures, I would give all my money to them and then I would say to all that I gave money to, “I have no money left, would you all please give me $1.00 back and then I would have $250. million dollars to start all over again.”

    As for this $100,trillion dollar in site………….
    Results 1 – 10 of about 685,000 for net worth of medicine development industry
    Just to show how deep this Health Care Tax split petition reaches. The term split petition is used because of the Tax factor plan that is not seen because of the intent not to show a capital Taxing of close to a $100 trillion dollar package, a yearly system income, not profit…..

    Some have stated that I clam to have spiritual in site or something of the sort. I assure you this is not true, so when I state that I asked God to help, it is my way of saying hey Bobby show me how to work on theses Chevy engines. But I do thank you for the consideration. Consider me a cross of Jethro Bodine from the Beverly Hill Billies with my 10th. Grade education and Vin Diesel from the move Pitch Black.
    So drop on by and see page 100 at our site and follow the blue pill link
    Henry Massingale
    FASC Concepts in and for Pay It Forward
    http://www.fascmovement.mysite.com on google, look for page 1 american dream official site

    Henry Massingale (c2c24a)


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