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1/31/2010

Organizing High Schools for America

Filed under: Education,Politics — DRJ @ 5:10 pm

[Guest post by DRJ]

Atlas Shrugs reports an Ohio high school — Perry Local in Massillon, Ohio — is allowing Organizing for America to offer internships [and, based on my reading of the materials posted at the link, the internships could be] for credit as a part of or to supplement the school’s curriculum. Go there for the details.

Assuming this story is true, it’s up to the local school board to decide if this is what they want for their schools. If it is, then local Republicans should copy the OfA attachments and demand that its internships be given equal time …

… except the GOP internships should start 2 hours later in the morning and end at the same time.

— DRJ

68 Responses to “Organizing High Schools for America”

  1. I don’t understand the joke. (If that’s what it is.)

    Steven Den Beste (99cfa1)

  2. Why is a teacher handing out OfA/DNC literature to students?

    JD (b6cfbe)

  3. Instructions from the NEA, of course.

    AD - RtR/OS! (951da8)

  4. “is allowing Organizing for America to offer internships for credit as a part of or to supplement the school’s curriculum”

    That link didn’t say anything about the high school allowing credit for this. But that won’t stop that principal from getting a barrage of wingnut stupid come monday morning.

    imdw (223a39)

  5. Iamadickwad – do you think this is appropriate for a teacher to be giving purely political literature to students?

    JD (b6cfbe)

  6. Intelliology, so you wouldn’t have any problem if this were a Republican president and his organization was using high schools to further a conservative agenda?

    And you wouldn’t have any problem with a suggested reading list of notable conservatives (counterparts perhaps to those listed below)? Such an innocuous reading list, eh? From the link:

    * Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky
    * The New Organizers, Zack Exley
    * Stir It Up: Lessons from Community Organizing and Advocacy, Rinku Sen
    * Obama Field Organizers Plot a Miracle, Zack Exley, Huffington Post
    * Dreams of My Father Chicago Chapters, Barack Hussein Obama

    Dana (1e5ad4)

  7. Don’t allow the actual truth to get in the way of the feeding frenzy, imdw. If you ignore the facts and agree with them I bet they will stop calling you a “wad”.

    Intelliology (00d844)

  8. Dana, that’s a rhetorical question, right?

    AD - RtR/OS! (951da8)

  9. imdw:

    That link didn’t say anything about the high school allowing credit for this. But that won’t stop that principal from getting a barrage of wingnut stupid come monday morning.

    The 5th bullet point on the first page of the OfA handout entitled “Internship Overview” says “Credit must be approved by your school ahead of time.”

    DRJ (84a0c3)

  10. “Iamadickwad – do you think this is appropriate for a teacher to be giving purely political literature to students?”

    This is clearly an internship opportunity.

    imdw (7dbf76)

  11. There you go again with that “reading” thing.

    AD - RtR/OS! (951da8)

  12. Dana, that’s a rhetorical question, right?
    Comment by AD – RtR/OS! — 1/31/2010 @ 5:48 pm

    No, AD-RtR/OS!. I expect if Intelliology is brazen enough to reveal his own narrow-minded intolerance by negatively stereotyping conservative parents, then I would like to know if he excuses his own possible hypocrisy.

    Dana (1e5ad4)

  13. “The 5th bullet point on the first page of the OfA handout entitled “Internship Overview” says “Credit must be approved by your school ahead of time.””

    Like I said, the link does not say that “Perry Local in Massillon, Ohio — is allowing Organizing for America to offer internships for credit as a part of or to supplement the school’s curriculum.”

    Adding salacious facts is what is going to steer the stupid towards them.

    What it does say is what a lot of internship opportunities offer — the fact you might get your school to give you credit for it. Though from what i remember of high school, I never heard of a high school offering credits for internships.

    imdw (e6339b)

  14. Oops, I confused Intelliology with imdw.

    imdw, my question at #6 should have been directed toward you. My apologies for the confusion.

    But I look forward to your response.

    Dana (1e5ad4)

  15. imdw,

    The link says the teacher distributed the materials in class. Unless this story is not true or the school reprimands the teacher for acting without authority, the teacher’s act means the school endorses the contents of the hand-out … and that includes the possibility of credit.

    DRJ (84a0c3)

  16. Well, they give/gave credit for ROP work experience which is a form of internship, so why not?
    Plus, for the last 15-20 years, they have been demanding that students participate in some form of “community service” to graduate, but rarely approve “conservative” or “social-con” (nee, religious) service as acceptable.

    AD - RtR/OS! (951da8)

  17. I disagree DRJ. The absence of a reprimand does not imply that the school openly endorses the contents of the handout.

    I have no doubt that an internship opportunity such as this is offered because the group was pro-active. I’m sure a conservative alternative would (and will) be offered if a group steps up to provide that opportunity.

    Intelliology (00d844)

  18. Oops, I confused Intelliology with imdw

    Something that is quite easy to do when trying to clean the sole of your shoe.

    AD - RtR/OS! (951da8)

  19. “imdw, my question at #6 should have been directed toward you. My apologies for the confusion.”

    I really have no problem with conservatives recruiting interns in high schools, and conservative internships involving reading lists of conservative authors. What could be the problem with that?

    And as has been pointed out, conservatives might want their youngsters to read “rules for radicals” as much as liberals. O’keefe certainly promotes it.

    “The link says the teacher distributed the materials in class. Unless this story is not true or the school reprimands the teacher for acting without authority, the teacher’s act means the school endorses the contents of the hand-out … and that includes the possibility of credit.”

    You’re pitching. You don’t have to pitch me on this. A teacher passed out an internship opportunity. You don’t have much more than that.

    imdw (8f8ead)

  20. Intelliology and imdw,

    Typically school boards have a curriculum that determines what the teachers teach — what subjects they cover, how they cover them, and what books and other hand-outs they use. Are you saying that teachers today can say or do whatever they want?

    DRJ (84a0c3)

  21. Because, if so, great. I may consider teaching again. I have an agenda I’d like to share.

    DRJ (84a0c3)

  22. “Typically school boards have a curriculum that determines what the teachers teach — what subjects they cover, how they cover them, and what books and other hand-outs they use. Are you saying that teachers today can say or do whatever they want?”

    All the facts that we have is that this is a teacher handing out an internship opportunity relevant to students in a government class. We know nothing about this being about what that teacher teaches or the curriculum. I don’t know why you insist on this.

    [Found in spam filter.]

    imdw (1ffec3)

  23. Neither one of the I’s actually answered my question. Let’s try again. Do wither of you think that it is appropriate for a teacher to distribute materials from OfA/DNC, purely partisan materials, to their students.

    JD (b6cfbe)

  24. Though from what i remember of high school

    “…which I graduated from last Spring.”

    Dmac (539341)

  25. No, JD. I think that teachers should only be able to give out purely RNC materials to their students. That is the only fair thing to do.

    Oh, and classic comeback Dmac. You’re so crafty.

    Intelliology (00d844)

  26. imdw:

    You’re pitching. You don’t have to pitch me on this. A teacher passed out an internship opportunity. You don’t have much more than that.

    I’m not sure what you mean by pitching — do you mean I’m spinning?

    My post anticipates that this could be a teacher handing out an internship offer but not endorsing or espousing it. That’s why I said the Republicans should make sure the teacher hands out their internship offers, too … and they should make sure their internship is a better offer.

    DRJ (84a0c3)

  27. “Do wither of you think that it is appropriate for a teacher to distribute materials from OfA/DNC, purely partisan materials, to their students.”

    I think this is fine mostly because this an internship opportunity. It’s not simply campaign propaganda.

    “…which I graduated from last Spring.”

    This is what we thought clever back in middle school.

    imdw (d8a0c2)

  28. “Oh, and classic comeback Dmac. You’re so crafty.”

    Wow. Good thing you aren’t, um, snarky.

    Remember the other thread, when you said that was a bad thing?

    Hmm?

    Oh, I know: other people just made you do it. Except I remember your first posts, which were classically trollish.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  29. ” I’m not sure what you mean by pitching — do you mean I’m spinning? ”

    You’re trying to sell a narrative.

    “My post anticipates that this could be a teacher handing out an internship offer but not endorsing or espousing it.”

    Your post erroneously adds the fact that Atlas reported the school is offering credit. Atlas did not report that.

    imdw (c5488f)

  30. Notintelligent – Non-responsive. I don’t think teachers have any business handing out partisan literature from either party.

    Iamadickwad is worried about this story.

    JD (ddbd2f)

  31. Comment by Eric Blair — 1/31/2010 @ 6:29 pm

    That was sarcasm, not snark. Look both of them up in the dictionary then compare the two definitions.

    Intelliology (00d844)

  32. imdw:

    Your post erroneously adds the fact that Atlas reported the school is offering credit. Atlas did not report that.

    My post said the school “is allowing Organizing for America to offer internships for credit” and that’s true. I read it and you can read it, too, if you choose.

    DRJ (84a0c3)

  33. This is a lot worse than what other people have been accused of doing in schools I think.

    These are dirty socialists. Rell ones not dhngers.

    And oh my god they’re recruiting children.

    happyfeet (713679)

  34. I responded to your question, JD. Looks like I am a better conservative soldier on this issue than you are!

    Intelliology (00d844)

  35. No, you did not answer it. You said something about Republicans. You were being mendoucheous. Typical.

    JD (ddbd2f)

  36. Most schools providing the internship give credits. It is, however, up to the students to arrange it.

    Organizing for America-Nevada is currently accepting applicants for our Spring Internship. Interns will work jointly with our Regional Field Directors to build a strong grassroots network across Nevada, and help us to pass President Obama’s legislative agenda. Activities will include recruiting and managing volunteers, organizing service and press events, voter contact activities, voter registration, and administrative support work. You need not be a student to apply. Credit is available at most schools, but it is the sole responsibility of the student to make the arrangements. Applications will be accepted through January 31st, 2010 for Spring term. The internship will last until the end of Spring term, and Interns commit to at least 12 hours per week.

    Dana (1e5ad4)

  37. This is what we thought clever back in middle school.

    Worse case of projection we’ve seen yet on this blog.

    You’re so crafty.

    Well, thank you – but it’s quite easy with assclowns like you.

    Dmac (539341)

  38. I ran into the Stepford OFA volunteers at Jan Schakowsky’s Healthcare Townhall last summer. They were out in force along with the purple people beaters, but at least the SEIU thugs didn’t have the glazed look in their eyes the OFA zombies did.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  39. Saul Alinsky recommended reading for high school students? Nothing worse than lying, scheming, cynical traitors trashing the minds of impressionable youth.

    GeneralMalaise (0a4348)

  40. As a parent I am disgusted by this. My children are too young to be targeted for this but the sitting president should NOT be abusing his power by RECRUITING supporters in the schools. There is no excuse for this at all.

    TexMom (dea2d2)

  41. ” My post said the school “is allowing Organizing for America to offer internships for credit” and that’s true”

    You forgot:

    …”as a part of or to supplement the school’s curriculum.”

    You can search the Atlas post for the word “credit.” It is not there. It is on the application form from OFA. An application form not specific to this high school, as it has lines for college and major.

    Neither Atlas nor the papers she has report that this school is offering credit for this internship. You made a mistake by saying that, and now you are pretending you didn’t.

    All we have is that a teacher passed out application forms and flyers for a partisan internship opportunity to government students. I know colleges post opportunities like these. I didn’t know high schools did.

    imdw (78ece3)

  42. “..That was sarcasm, not snark. Look both of them up in the dictionary then compare the two definitions…”

    You are lots of things, oh troll, but you are no Doug Piranha.

    So far as your lexicon, I would rather look up the words “troll” and “disingenuous.”

    Also, “sophomoric.”

    They certainly apply to your performance this weekend.

    NBAT.

    Eric Blair (20b3a8)

  43. To try and lighten the troll attack:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXjrMU0jpAE

    Eric Blair (20b3a8)

  44. I don’t believe I made a mistake in reading the Atlas Shrugs’ post and stating that, if true, the school allowed OfA to hand out a form that offered credit for internships. Now that this issue has come up, I agree it would have been more accurate to say it offered the possibility of credit for internships but I never intended my original statement to exclude that reading, so I didn’t view it as a necessary qualifier and I still don’t.

    DRJ (84a0c3)

  45. “I don’t believe I made a mistake in reading the Atlas Shrugs’ post and stating that, if true, the school allowed OfA to hand out a form that offered credit for internships.”

    I’m not questioning the veracity of what she wrote. That’s not that fun of a game to play with Pam Geller. She calls an internship program “enlisted like SS youth.” And then puts “interns” in scare quotes. What can someone really do about these statements? Nothing.

    What I’m saying is that your summary of her post is incorrect because it adds things she did not post. She did not post that this school was offering credit within or to supplement its curriculum for this internship opportunity.

    imdw (89ba95)

  46. I understand now. I don’t want to put words in her mouth so I’ll note that.

    DRJ (84a0c3)

  47. Better?

    DRJ (84a0c3)

  48. “An application form not specific to this high school, as it has lines for college and major.”

    imdw – Was there a claim that the form was specific to this high school? If you go to Atlas Shrugs I certainly don’t see it.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  49. Comment by Dana — 1/31/2010 @ 6:45 pm

    This is clearly interjecting partisan political activity into the class-room, and should be proscribed by the Education Code in most, if not all, States.

    AD - RtR/OS! (951da8)

  50. “imdw – Was there a claim that the form was specific to this high school? If you go to Atlas Shrugs I certainly don’t see it.”

    Me neither. Just being clear.

    imdw (017d51)

  51. imsw – Good thing the teacher wasn’t handing out military recruitment literature or Jesus Camp Counselor opportunities, then there really might have been problems.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  52. For a long time now its been the case that government recruits in high schools — and not just for internships or higher ed.

    imdw (77e517)

  53. When did it become appropriate for teachers to hand out purely partisan materials to students?

    JD (0e324f)

  54. This is clearly an internship opportunity.
    Comment by imdw — 1/31/2010 @ 5:52 pm

    — You seem to be having trouble spelling the word “indoctrination”. Perhaps YOU should go back to school.

    Icy Texan (ca0a8d)

  55. 52.For a long time now its been the case that government recruits in high schools — and not just for internships or higher ed.
    Comment by imdw — 2/1/2010 @ 5:01 am

    — Right. The GOVERNMENT. Not an organization that favors one political party, assclown! But do go on. You were about to whine about military recruiters going to high schools, were you?

    Icy Texan (ca0a8d)

  56. “– You seem to be having trouble spelling the word “indoctrination”. Perhaps YOU should go back to school.”

    I did spell out “ss youth” like Pam did. Looking at the activities and effort they put into these, the only people this would be appropriate for would be people who really *wanted* to become organizer.

    Now there is paternalism, and there is saying that college or high school students can’t go out and seek internships that will train them with skills they want.

    “– Right. The GOVERNMENT. Not an organization that favors one political party, assclown! But do go on. You were about to whine about military recruiters going to high schools, were you?”

    What’s to whine about? They go there seeking recruits. So do colleges. Do private employers?

    imdw (688568)

  57. I don’t get the point about the GOP internships starting 2 hours later and ending at the same time. If the students work 2 hours less per day, the school isn’t going to give them as much credit as they would if they worked the same amount of time as the Democrats’ interns. And the GOP interns would have a hard time getting as much work done for the party as the Democrats will if the Republicans work 2 hours less per day.

    Joshua (9ede0e)

  58. ^changes the subject when it can’t/won’t answer questions directly asked of it. But don’t worry, it graduated from High School (with an “A” in grammar!).

    Dmac (539341)

  59. What I’m saying is that your summary of her post is incorrect because it adds things she did not post.

    “Which is completely unlike what I do here on an hourly basis.”

    Dmac (539341)

  60. “I don’t get the point about the GOP internships starting 2 hours later and ending at the same time. If the students work 2 hours less per day, the school isn’t going to give them as much credit as they would if they worked the same amount of time as the Democrats’ interns. And the GOP interns would have a hard time getting as much work done for the party as the Democrats will if the Republicans work 2 hours less per day.”

    The GOP interns don’t have a reading list.

    imdw (bb8086)

  61. When did it become appropriate for teachers to hand out purely partisan materials in the classroom, imdw?

    JD (1ff2ef)

  62. “When did it become appropriate for teachers to hand out purely partisan materials in the classroom, imdw?”

    Maybe around the same time that impurely partisan stuff was banned? Face it yo. It’s just an internship opportunity.

    imdw (688568)

  63. The GOP interns don’t have a reading list.
    Comment by imdw — 2/1/2010 @ 9:24 am

    — GOP intern reading list: The COTUS

    Dem intern reading list: Communist Manifesto, Mao’s Little Red Book, Alinsky

    Icy Texan (8c88ae)

  64. Heh!

    AD - RtR/OS! (810a60)

  65. “– GOP intern reading list: The COTUS”

    I fully support GOP interns just reading COTUS and not any materials on political activism.

    imdw (017d51)

  66. Ditto for Democratic and OfA interns.

    DRJ (84a0c3)

  67. And imagine that instead they seemed to have a created something a bit more comprehensive.

    imdw (00bfab)

  68. This thread should be Exhibit A in any list of evidence of iamadickwad’s abject dishonesty, douchebaggery, and disingenuous asshattery.

    JD (b9a8a2)


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