Lindsey Graham for Climate Change
[Guest post by DRJ]
South Carolina’s Republican Senator Lindsey Graham isn’t sure if man is responsible for global warming but he nevertheless supports climate change policies despite the questions raised by the East Anglia CRU email scandal:
“ASSOCIATED PRESS: “What are your thoughts on the scandal over the hacked e-mails from some prominent climate scientists, which many Republicans have claimed discredits the science showing that pollution is causing climate change?”
GRAHAM: “Well, I never embraced this from that point of view. You will never convince me all these cars, and all these trucks, and all these power plants spewing out carbon, fossil fuels, day in and day out for 60 or 70 years is a good thing. It makes perfect sense to me that this amount of carbon pollution over a long period of time has had a detrimental effect on the environment. I don’t get wrapped up into how much is caused by man, or how much is caused by nature. I do believe pursuing clean air and clean water is a good thing for my generation to do.”
Graham admits he doesn’t know if climate issues are manmade or if they can be corrected by man. However, in order promote energy independence, he willingly embraces green energy policies without requiring comparable concessions by climate change advocates on the need to develop nuclear and other energy sources. He also suggests he supports a carbon tax to reach energy independence, although his position on that is not clear.
As he has done on so many issues, Graham seems to be trying to find a middle ground with people who don’t believe there is a middle ground.
— DRJ
Well, he is a lawyer, after all.
AD - RtR/OS! (88245d) — 12/19/2009 @ 3:45 pmWe can’t expect him to actually “know” science until the Nine Robed Wonders tell him what to think.
Graham is a moron.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (9eb641) — 12/19/2009 @ 3:46 pmGee, Brother Brad – What was your first clue?
AD - RtR/OS! (88245d) — 12/19/2009 @ 3:48 pmIt seems too that he is trying to find a middle ground just for the sake of finding a middle ground. This fetishization (if that is a word) of bipartisanship is one of the telling signs of a very second-rate intellect, one that is uncomfortable with or incapable of staking a position on an issue based upon reasoned thought and personal experience.
JVW (0fe413) — 12/19/2009 @ 3:50 pmHe’s a deeply stupid and effete pansy I think. I won’t send a dollar to an R incumbent what doesn’t walk up to this pansy and slap him upside his stupid gay face.
happyfeet (2c63dd) — 12/19/2009 @ 3:51 pmYou will never convince me…
That right there pretty much sums up the man..It’s all you need to know.
Gazzer (1e0374) — 12/19/2009 @ 3:51 pmWhat better place for him than the World’s Greatest Deliberative Body?
The people of SC should be soooo embarrassed.
AD - RtR/OS! (88245d) — 12/19/2009 @ 3:52 pmGee, Brother Brad – What was your first clue?
This will suffice:
You will never convince me all these cars, and all these trucks, and all these power plants spewing out carbon, fossil fuels, day in and day out for 60 or 70 years is a good thing.
Creating the highest standard of living in the history of the world was not a good thing, in Graham’s view. That seems sufficiently moronic. What a lovely example of a know-nothing sanschordata.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (9eb641) — 12/19/2009 @ 3:52 pmJVW-see “McCain, Juan”
Gazzer (1e0374) — 12/19/2009 @ 3:53 pmGraham is his lap-dog, after all.
Personally, he went to the top of the Dumb-File for me when he seemed to be John McCain’s shoulder parrot – particularly on campaign-financing, and the Gang of Fourteen.
AD - RtR/OS! (88245d) — 12/19/2009 @ 3:55 pmYou will never convince me all these cars, and all these trucks, and all these power plants spewing out carbon, fossil fuels, day in and day out for 60 or 70 years is a good thing
He forgot one: People. There are more and more people who day in and day out exhale CO2, and that can’t be a good thing.
Graham wants to import millions upon millions of uneducated lawn keepers into the US and then confiscate their CO2 belching lawn mowers.
j curtis (5126e4) — 12/19/2009 @ 3:55 pmHere’s a frightening story of the subversion of Wikipedia for the global warming alarmist campaign.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (9eb641) — 12/19/2009 @ 4:15 pmGazzer, you are right. I personally like and admire John McCain, and I don’t regret having voted for him in the primary and the general election last year. That being said, as a self-professed conservative I did get a measure of satisfaction in watching McCain be not only abandoned but denigrated and mocked by the left-wing establishment that he had so assiduously courted over the years. I think McCain really thought that groups like the NYTimes editorial board, the Faculty of Princeton, and the New Republic would seize upon his candidacy as a way of uniting left and right in a common cause to advance the agenda of ordinary Americans. What he found out is that they treated him like any other Republican Senator with a pro-life, pro-Iraq War, pro-business (mostly) record. McCain would be doing Conversativism a great service if he sat down with his protege Graham and said, “Forget it Lindsay; they will never really love you.”
JVW (0fe413) — 12/19/2009 @ 4:15 pmJVW, I also think that the NY Times anointed McCain with the full knowledge that he was beatable. IMHO, that was the last election in which they will be able to influence the Republican nominee. They got us good on that one. I,too, voted for McCain and I still feel dirty. As an Arizonan, I shall not vote for him again. Time for him to retire.
Gazzer (1e0374) — 12/19/2009 @ 4:21 pmWhere can I find a woman like that?
corwin (7ba9b3) — 12/19/2009 @ 4:26 pmMiddle ground. Graham is searching for an energy policy that results in only moderately high unemployment.
Terry Gain (1664b9) — 12/19/2009 @ 4:40 pmComment by Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. — 12/19/2009 @ 4:15 pm
The gnomes inside the Kremlin’s walls were infamous for their attempts to re-write history.
AD - RtR/OS! (88245d) — 12/19/2009 @ 4:44 pmSome should be reminded of what happened to them, and the masters they served.
Graham seems to be trying to find a middle ground with people who don’t believe there is a middle ground.
Graham searching for the middle ground is the move of an appeaser and one who is unable to commit fully. Sticking your finger in the air and seeing which way the political winds are blowing, then basing your belief on that is weak and yet consistent behavior for him. I don’t believe it’s because he’s uninformed but rather that he cares more about what people think of him.
Dana (f64b7d) — 12/19/2009 @ 4:49 pmHere’s a frightening story of the subversion of Wikipedia for the global warming alarmist campaign.
Wikipedia is unreliable on climate and a number of other political topics, just as Google is unreliable on political topics. I’m not sure if it’s because the Google owners are leftists (I know they are) or if the left games the system to increase the rank of leftist web sites in a search. I do know that I don’t use Google for searches with political topics. The Google owners are leftist as only people who have their own 767 can be leftist.
Mike K (2cf494) — 12/19/2009 @ 5:05 pmWhen he started beingMcCain’s bobbsey twin, on Campaign Finance, then Gitmo and the military commission, he had passed his sell by date, cap n trade, is the apotheosis of this, since when do we need to cap our energy production, it seems the reverse is quite nearly true, as the 2003 blackout
bishop (474138) — 12/19/2009 @ 5:27 pmand the 2008 oil spike would indicate
he’s a RINO, not a Republican,and certainly not a conservative.
therefore, i cordially invite him to go attempt aerial intercourse with a rotating pastry, after which, he, and the rest of these whining, boot licking, invertebrate mammals should be forced out of the GOP, at pitchfork & torch point if necessary, and be left in the cold where worms and pond scum belong.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 12/19/2009 @ 5:40 pm.
Rino McNasty has outlived his hero status a decade ago…he has less creditials the Benedict Arnold who at least won many battles for the fleging USA.
SC recall your turd, hes climbing into the punchbowl
serfer62 (7825da) — 12/19/2009 @ 5:50 pmThere is no middle ground between truth and falsehood. If there is one, it is another falsehood.
Mitch (e40959) — 12/19/2009 @ 6:00 pmUnfortunately, you can’t recall Congressmen and Senators.
AD - RtR/OS! (88245d) — 12/19/2009 @ 6:09 pmBut, I understand there is a slowly expanding pool of resistance to Lindsey’s future re-election.
Trying to find a middle ground on AGW makes about as much sense as not being able to decide whether to throw to first base or second, and to end up throwing the ball right down the middle between them. Either AGW is correct or it is not. If it is, carbon dioxide is a major pollutant that must be reined in yesterday. If it is not, there is no basis for describing carbon dioxide as a pollutant at all, nor for implying that air would be “cleaner” with less of it. It may or may not raise the earth’s temperature, but it doesn’t pollute in any other way.
Xrlq (1cd5bb) — 12/20/2009 @ 8:42 amJust to be fair, there is a middle ground – that AGW exists in some degree, but warming is also the result of natural causes, such as the sun or changes in ocean currents. And carbon dioxide is not the only supposed cause of AGW, and perhaps not the most important one.
The links are to Roger Pielke, Sr., who the Climategate gang doesn’t like because he’s not an alarmist. He’s worth reading for that reason.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (9eb641) — 12/20/2009 @ 9:14 amI,too, voted for McCain and I still feel dirty.
The most laughable aspect of people like him is when they choose to live in warm (or, actually, make that hot) weather climates like Arizona. That’s sort of in keeping with the ultimate AGW fanatic of them all — Al Gore — choosing to reside in a huge energy-hog mansion in Tennessee.
BTW, to be fair to the Graham’s and McCain’s of America, they’re not much more squishier on the issue of global warming than the owner of this blog is, Patterico. IOW, common sense can vanish into thin air for anyone of us on certain occasions.
Mark (411533) — 12/20/2009 @ 9:28 amMark,
Perhaps Patterico is reading all those Climategate emails and documents, and preparing a magnum opus on how the lies and fraud therein have shaken his faith in AGW.
One of the beautiful things about Climategate is that all the evidence is publicly available, so we don’t have to rely on the filtered and sanitized media accounts.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (9eb641) — 12/20/2009 @ 9:35 amWithout CO2, the World would be a very ugly place.
So, have at it, Envirokooks. Turn this Blue Planet into the Sahara, writ large.
And, if you’re really serious about how the greatest threat to Gaia is homo sapiens, then set a good example for the rest of us, and eliminate yourself.
AD - RtR/OS! (1217bb) — 12/20/2009 @ 10:10 amFair point, Bradley. Mine was that there is no basis besides AGW for considering CO2 a pollutant. So arguments like Graham’s, which boil down to “let’s restrict CO2 whether it causes global warming or not” make no sense whatsoever.
Xrlq (1cd5bb) — 12/20/2009 @ 10:19 amIs it just me, or does it seem like the demarcation line between the advocates of doing something drastic, now, about global warming, and those who don’t want to impoverish themselves and our economy for a possibly inaccurate theory is the same line of demarcation between those who don’t work for a living, and those who do?
The Dana who just shoveled 2½ inches of glbbal warming off his sidewalks (474dfc) — 12/20/2009 @ 10:28 amOr the line of demarcation between those who won’t have to worry about how to feed their families even if the economy goes to Hell, and those who do?
The Dana who notices these things (474dfc) — 12/20/2009 @ 10:30 amMaybe it’s just easier to be an anti-capitalist when you don’t have an actual job.
The Dana who works for a living (474dfc) — 12/20/2009 @ 10:32 amWould the World be a better place without the Global Warming Deniers,
or without the Global Warming Alarmists?
It’s your choice.
AD - RtR/OS! (1217bb) — 12/20/2009 @ 10:34 amAD (Another Drew?): I guess that depends on whether you think there’s a bandwidth shortage, and, if so, which side uses more of it. 🙂
The blogger Dana (474dfc) — 12/20/2009 @ 10:38 amYes, The blogger Dana, AD is “Another Drew”;
and it appears the Alarmists use, not only a great deal of bandwidth, but a great deal of a lot of things that they would deny to the rest of us.
They are, at their roots, Statists, and cannot tolerate dissent. That type of political structure always causes discomfort for the many.
I say we vote them off the island!
AD - RtR/OS! (1217bb) — 12/20/2009 @ 10:59 amSo arguments like Graham’s, which boil down to “let’s restrict CO2 whether it causes global warming or not” make no sense whatsoever.
Fair point, Xrlq. Graham is truly a piece of work.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (9eb641) — 12/20/2009 @ 11:09 amFoxfier noted in her “check out what I get from my RSS feeds, this stuff is good” thingy in her side-bar an Attila article that did a bit of hammering. So I copy/pasted an article of my own out of it. For me, I decide when one side uses lies and bullying tactics, that side is the wrong side.
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 12/20/2009 @ 11:40 amThanks for that link, John H.
Real Climate, the Web site by and for climate alarmists, is getting more unreal all the time. They have taken to publishing commentaries from “experts not associated with Real Climate”. Two of the three are from Ben Santer, the lovely chap who fantasized about beating up skeptic Pat Michaels. Santer is a member in good standing of the Climategate gang, with several emails to his (dis)credit showing his nasty intolerance of skeptics and unwillingness to share data with them.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (9eb641) — 12/20/2009 @ 11:55 amThere is a Fox News Special tonight at 7 PM Pacific with Steve McIntyre to discuss the e-mails and code. That should be a very interesting program as he is the original demolitionist of the consensus. The special preempts Hannity.
Mike K (2cf494) — 12/20/2009 @ 12:40 pmI really have to hand it to Al Gore. The best thing that ever happened to him was losing the election of 2000. He then proceeded to start the Church of Global Warming and make himself into a mega millionare in the process. He makes L.Ron Hubbard look like a piker by comparison.
BarSinister (9a86c3) — 12/21/2009 @ 10:01 am