Patterico's Pontifications

12/9/2009

Ace Brings Out the Ban Hammer

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 5:57 am

He’s ready to thin the herd:

If you have a racial axe to grind, if you are kind of pissed off about minorities, stop posting on the subject. You are embarrassing yourselves, you are embarrassing me, you are embarrassing everyone else here.

If you think that I am secretly winking at you telling you I just hit the Racism Button and it’s okay to start with the racial jibes, you are wrong.

If you think I am your secret racist buddy, who speaks in “code” but you “get” what I’m really saying, you are wrong. I hate you. I despise you.

I am tired of the people who whoop it up saying “Yeah, Ace, go get ’em! Tell those liberals that racism is a myth perpetrated by the liberal establishment media!” right before deciding it’s the perfect time to compose a post in stupid ebonics, or to denigrate black people’s looks, or the rest of it.

I am tired of people joining my tirade against Eugene Robinson for seeing everything through the prism of race right before themselves posting completely through the prism of race.

I’m tired of it. I won’t be having it.

Fascist.

Read it all. In there, humorously done as always, is a primer for allowing free speech and discussion — and non-politically correct humor — without being a jerk.

I’m told SEK is busily composing an essay saying this proves Ace “knowingly baits” racist comments.

Not because Ace has a huge site, and there are jerks in any large crowd. No, because (as SEK would have it) conservatives are just more racist.

P.S. Try toddling by any large liberal blog when they’re discussing, say Clarence Thomas. No racism there!

UPDATE: Apparently R.S. McCain thinks this post is about him. It is not. Cue the Carly Simon music. “You’re so vain, you probably think this post is about you.”

48 Responses to “Ace Brings Out the Ban Hammer”

  1. Ace is the place. Information and humor all in one place. The only blog I read more than Patterico’s Pontifications. May both of you thrive in the coming tumult.

    dfbaskwill (aabf1f)

  2. i posted this at ace, i think it is worth noting here:

    I agree with most of that except for one thing. I have read where Andrew Sullivan called Sarah Palin’s vagina, the “font of all evil.” http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/the_wilding_of_sarah_palin.html Admittedly I have not 100% nailed down that the quote was genuine, but for the sake of argument, let’s suppose it was a real quote.

    And put that together with his freaking out over the incident where a female guard smeared red ink on a terrorist’s forehead but led him to believe it was menstrual blood.

    So someone might read all of those things and make a joke about Sullivan being afraid of vaginas. And then down comes the banhammer, because you perceive that as being against all gay people. But its not. Its very specific to Sullivan. So that to me is my caution.

    A.W. (e7d72e)

  3. Good for him. I generally avoid blogs where the comments are cesspools of one sort or another. This policy kept me from ever being too enthused about LGF and Charles Johnson, which makes me remarkably prescient, I think.

    Bloggers are not, of course, responsible for any given individual comment. But I think they do bear some level of responsibility for the general tone of their comments sections. It’s not a very clear line, of course. It’s very hard to say in any given case where and when a comment section turns from vibrant and spirited to a cesspool of hatred and code-speak, but there is a line in there, somewhere.

    It’s always been the case, in human social interaction, that a few bad apples can indeed spoil the whole bunch, as people vote with their feet. I know plenty of good people, valuable readers and commenters loyal to some particular blog, who have just stopped going to that blog altogether, because they just got tired and fed up with bullshit in the comments from trolls and assholes, that the blog owner/moderator did nothing about. It’s like you run a nice little quiet neighborhood bar. Than one day, a couple of bikers come in and decide they like the place. The next day, they bring a couple more friends. Very soon, the guys who used to stop in for a quick beer on the way home decide that they don’t really like going to a bar filled with bikers, so they simply go someplace else. If the bar owner does nothing, then regardless of his intentions, the place becomes a biker bar rather than the after-work drinking hole.

    PatHMV (140f2a)

  4. So that to me is my caution.
    Comment by A.W. — 12/9/2009 @ 6:27 am

    If you read the post at AoS, and then the comments… especially the ones by ace, that’s pretty well covered. I read up to about comment #300 yesterday and was crystal clear on what he meant. All I would suggest is that if you’re in doubt about whether something crosses the line or not, email ace and ask “Is this over the line?” or don’t post it unless you want to risk being banned. Seems fair.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  5. I don’t read the comments there regularly, but many are really hilarious – so good for him in attempting to keep that high quality intact. Trolls are still Trolls, no matter what side of the ledger their POV.

    Dmac (a964d5)

  6. This is all just codeword and dog-whistle racisms.

    JD (682dfa)

  7. I denounce you JD!

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  8. Well, what about blonde/Polish jokes?

    nk (df76d4)

  9. NK, only if they are told by a Polish Blonde in Pulaski, WI.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  10. It’s not hard to know when something you’re about to post is racially or sexually over the line. Really!

    chaos (7c068a)

  11. So a blonde Polish girl in Pulaski, WI tells her father that she’s pregnant. And he asks, “Are you sure it’s yours?”

    A blonde Polish girl is driving to Chicago on I-94 and sees the sign, “Chicago Left”. She says, “Oh, Shit”, and turns around to go back home.

    nk (df76d4)

  12. @11:

    If you cannot be reasonably sure that if the target of your “joke” were in your presence when you told it would probably kick your ass, then it’s more than likely over the top.

    Dr. K (eca563)

  13. Ban Hammer? Isn’t he the guy who did the Miami Vice theme?

    Crusader (7033ff)

  14. I’m pretty sure Andrew Sullivan could crush me bet..
    oh nevermind.

    SarahW (692fc6)

  15. he’d surely crush your ears with his wailing gibberish until you gave in. And then he… Would be King! He’d probably strike a pose.

    chaos (7c068a)

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    –Zen saying

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  18. NK, You screwed up the joke. The father says, but it was your sister that got married.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  19. Too subtle for Polish people to understand.

    nk (df76d4)

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  21. Well, that about takes care of all the trolls that visit his place.

    Thomas (b7fe33)

  22. So a Jewish girl meets a Greek boy, they fall in love, and want to get married. The Jewish father is aghast. He refuses to hear of it and the kids elope.

    A year later, his heart has softened a little and he misses his daughter. So he is glad to have her invite him to go and see her in Greece.

    A private plane, she provides, flies him to Athens airport. Then a private helicopter flies him to a small seaport. A palatial two-hundred foot yacht takes him to a private island. His daughter meets him in front of a hundred-room mansion, surrounded by beautiful gardens and attended by dozens of servants.

    He says, “My daughter, I’m glad you invited me, not only because I missed you, but also because now I see that you were right and I was wrong. This Greek young man has provided you the lifestyle of a queen.”

    She says, “No, Daddy, you were right and I was wrong. I want to divorce him. Please take me away.”

    Her daddy asks, “Why?”

    She says, “Because when I married him my asshole was the size of a dime and now it’s the size of a silver dollar”.

    And her father says, “You’re gonna give all this up over ninety cents?”

    nk (df76d4)

  23. NK, You screwed up the joke.

    After running hundreds of regression tests on a weary Cray, it has been determined within .005 that it is mathematically impossible to screw up any joke that includes the words blonde, Polish, father, and pregnant. We can safely report this finding without any trace of ethnic or sexist prejudice in that at any point in time some of our best friends have been at minimum one of the following: blonde, Polish, fathers, or pregnant.

    political agnostic (00ebb3)

  24. After further review, the members of our society of agnostic statisticians have agreed that we should run more regression tests including the word asshole. And yes, at any point in time some of our best friends have been assholes.

    political agnostic (00ebb3)

  25. Crays are so Passe. Try a Unisys Dorado 300.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  26. I thought silver dollars were worth more than a dollar? Wouldn’t a jewish father know the silver spot market? racist!

    Corwin (ea9428)

  27. RSM responds

    RSM reader (a32cff)

  28. Crays are so Passe.

    It was a donation which has seen better days, thus the weary attribute. We’re a society, not a grant glomming group. My SoCal fishermen best of friends call a dorado by its nickname…dodo. Soon as the the 300 goes the way of the Cray you just know that appellation will be hung on it like an ornament.

    political agnostic (00ebb3)

  29. May both of you thrive in the coming tumult

    Hear! Hear!

    I enjoy both blogs immensely. I’m pretty much a lurker here, but it’s a daily read for me and I don’t want to lose either.

    but I still find joke #2 on Ace’s thread mildly amusing

    pajama momma (b4a1db)

  30. RSM Reader, his response was once again not on point, and turned in the end towards once again attacking Patterico for asking a simple question. He falsely suggests that Patterico labeled him a “white supremacist.” Patterico of course did no such thing. Then McCain goes beyond the pale by suggesting in some fashion that Mr. Frey might use his official position to take some action against McCain when McCain travels to Pasadena soon.

    McCain is showing himself to be a despicable coward, whatever his attitudes towards race may be.

    PatHMV (140f2a)

  31. RSM addresses Patterico’s possible motivations in exploring RSM’s heart of hearts:

    Robert Stacy McCain said…
    SteveG said…
    Patterico has an interesting site and there are some bright people there. He’s muleheaded though

    And I’m not muleheaded? Understand this: Patterico is a lawyer, an assistant D.A. in Los Angeles. The accusation of racial bias against him would be the career kiss of death. Ergo, he has an obvious incentive to distance himself from any suggestion that he is playing footsie with racists. He has a self-interested motive and, while I certainly have no objection to the pursuit self-interest, Patterico has no just cause to advance his reputation at the expense of my own — which is manifestly what he is attempting to do.

    His manner of going about this turns it into a zero-sum game, with the destruction of my career as a journalist being his (unstated) objective, so that he can then say, “Look, I exposed this hateful bigot!” and thus obtain his official Not A Racist certificate.

    If I am to survive, I must fight — and this is not a fight of my own choosing, but of his.

    He could have ignored me, but didn’t. He can walk away anytime he wants. I can’t.

    Wed Dec 09, 03:03:00 PM

    RSM reader (a32cff)

  32. “His manner of going about this turns it into a zero-sum game, with the destruction of my career as a journalist being his (unstated) objective, so that he can then say, “Look, I exposed this hateful bigot!” and thus obtain his official Not A Racist certificate.”

    All he needs is a black friend.

    imdw (017d51)

  33. 29, Nah, this 300 will be upgraded to a 700 or such as soon as the marketing/Maintence Renewal stars align and make it a no brainer to upgrade.

    This site had a “Sewer Pipe II” about 15 years ago.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  34. #2 A.W.

    [Y]ou perceive that as being against all gay people. But its not. Its very specific to Sullivan. So that to me is my caution.

    Nicely put. With you 100% on that.

    m (73d3f3)

  35. A hot Greek girl is walking through an airport, struggling with a heavy suitcase. Spotting her from one of the gates, (a man with a good eye for these things!) Arnold Schwarzenegger comes to her rescue, saying “as ti valitsa, baby!”

    nk can explain

    carlitos (3b339e)

  36. I’m told SEK is busily composing an essay saying this proves Ace “knowingly baits” racist comments.

    Liar! I can barely type with only one working wrist.

    SEK (9e7eee)

  37. What happened to your wrist, SEK?

    DRJ (84a0c3)

  38. I sprained it carrying water for hypocritical liberals on the internet.

    (Or I had a late-night incident with a belligerently hungry cat and an unforgiving floor. One of the two.)

    SEK (9e7eee)

  39. “He could have ignored me, but didn’t. He can walk away anytime he wants. I can’t.”

    What the hell does this have to do with Ace of Spades blog?

    It’s true, though. RSM can’t walk away from the dumb shit he’s said. I’m more interested in the usenet post about whipping slaves, personally. Patterico indeed can walk away any time… because he’s not doing anything wrong.

    Dustin (44f8cb)

  40. I know that hurt, SEK. I hope it heals quickly.

    DRJ (84a0c3)

  41. That was prolly blogwhore Joe using the name RSM Reader. He likes to stir shit up.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  42. The whole point of a lot of trolls on right-leaning boards is to attempt to elicit a response that will “prove” that everyone on the right is racist.

    When they hit gold, they can provide the link and everyone at Kos can do the happy troll dance.

    Of course, right-leaning trolls don’t have to infest lefty comments because the left pretty much take care of proving they are racist themselves.

    Of course, they’re just following the guidebook.

    And speaking of Mediaite. Man, it’s pretty and well-done, but how many echo chambers does the left need anyway?

    And, I of course, appreciate the irony of linking to that site to cite my cite.

    Ag80 (83c4ce)

  43. That was prolly blogwhore Joe using the name RSM Reader. He likes to stir shit up.

    Yes, that’s why he’s banned here.

    Stashiu, if you can prove that RSM Reader is Joe the Shit Stirrer, ban him again.

    If not, no problem. We welcome differing views here. Hell, I invited Dafydd to put them right there on the main page.

    Oh, hi Joe! Yes, you’re still banned. Now go post this on a dozen blogs. There’s a good boy.

    Patterico (64318f)

  44. Yes, it was Joe but I didn’t know he was banned. Do now though. 😉

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  45. Good call, daleyrocks.

    Yeah, Stash, I have no need for someone whose principal motivation in life is to try to start arguments between other people.

    Patterico (64318f)

  46. Done.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  47. Re: jokes, there’s a simple test for whether they’re really funny. Nearly everybody is a member of at least one group—ethnic, religious, physical, geographic—about which jokes are made. Before you post your joke, tell it to yourself about your own group; change whatever needs to be changed to make it fit, or suppose that your group had whatever characteristic it is that you’re lampooning. Now ask yourself whether it’s still funny. If it is, go ahead and post it; if not, ask yourself why you thought it was funny the first time.

    How’s that?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)


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