Chris Matthews Identifies the Enemy … (Updated)
[Guest post by DRJ]
… and it is us:
“UPDATE: Chris Matthews has made a lot of outrageous, is-he-sober comments over the years, but I don’t know if he’s ever uttered something quite so reprehensible as, “he went to the enemy camp, tonight, to make the case.”
From Jim Geraghty at NRO’s The Campaign Spot, quoting Chris Matthews discussing President Obama’s speech at the United States Military Academy at West Point.
H/T Vivian Louise, who also provided the video.
— DRJ
UPDATE — Here’s the story of a soldier in the West Point “enemy camp” tonight:
“In the audience tonight, a West Point graduate and Army veteran who lost both legs in Afghanistan: First Lt. Dan Berschinski.
Berschinski stepped on an IED on August 19, 2009 while his unit — the Second Platoon of Bravo Company, 1st Battalion, 17th Infantry Regiment – secured a village. Berschinski’s right leg was amputated at the hip; his left leg was amputated above his knee.
***
A former cross country runner and soccer player, Berschinski has spent much of his time since the incident in Ward 57 at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.“I feel bad that I’m in here while my platoon is out there fighting,” Berschinski told the News Tribune. “I know there’s not much I can do about it now. There’s really nothing to do. But that doesn’t make it any easier.”
well, since Ear Leader hates America, and, as demonstrated by his deliberate delay in sending the reinforcements required to accomplish the mission even he has previously declared essential, it’s military, i’d say this was a case where the MFM talking head accidentally told the truth.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 12/1/2009 @ 6:00 pmIt’s not necessarily a bad thing. Maybe it’s time the lines were drawn.
nk (df76d4) — 12/1/2009 @ 6:08 pmIt’s too bad Obama didn’t end his speech with, “Who wants to follow me?”
MD in Philly (227f9c) — 12/1/2009 @ 6:10 pmLittle [word Patterico does not like] with a tingle up his leg versus our soldiers.
nk (df76d4) — 12/1/2009 @ 6:11 pmHe’s a piece of @&^#%*&@!$*&%!^*#@&^%$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Un. Frickin. Believable.
Vivian Louise (643333) — 12/1/2009 @ 6:12 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTbJcixsLq8
The video.
Vivian Louise (643333) — 12/1/2009 @ 6:14 pmThank you for the video link, Vivian Louise. I’ve added it to the post.
DRJ (dee47d) — 12/1/2009 @ 6:29 pmDRJ, you are totally welcome. Thanks for posting it.
I’m off to go and seethe.
Vivian Louise (643333) — 12/1/2009 @ 6:31 pmA very enlightening video clip. Ten years ago, Tom Ricks said he was worried about the gulf separating ordinary Americans and the military. I tend to agree with him but would restrict it to Democrats.
To think that Harry Truman was an artillery Captain. And LBJ was a Reserve LT Commander in the navy. Bush flew F 102s although the left does not want to admit it. Bush I was the youngest Navy pilot in WWII. What a change !
Mike K (2cf494) — 12/1/2009 @ 6:34 pmSo, I guess as the grown-up, mature, patriotic American (conservative!) that I am, I am to fall in line with my president now that he has committed Blood and Treasure to this effort. Or maybe I should take a lesson from my Liberal friends actions in the past? Puh Leese yeeesh. Chrissy,….shut-up!
PITCHFORKSANDTORCHES (8165c3) — 12/1/2009 @ 6:34 pmMathews is/has been fucking disgusting for some time now. At least he was honest about his feelings.
JD (a606ad) — 12/1/2009 @ 6:45 pmand here I thought al qaeda ws the enemy camp
Kevin Murphy (805c5b) — 12/1/2009 @ 6:48 pmI’ve updated the post with a Jake Tapper story about one of the soldiers in the “enemy camp” audience tonight.
DRJ (dee47d) — 12/1/2009 @ 6:52 pmChris Matthews let the mask slip a little…
Chilling.
Patricia (b05e7f) — 12/1/2009 @ 6:56 pmChrissy can feel a tingle in his legs; I dare say that the young First Lieutenant without legs can still feel a phantom tingle in his legs.
Obama was in an “enemy camp” tonight–the camp of those who believe in Duty, Honor, Country.
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Common Sense Political Thought » Blog Archive » The ever-repugnant Chris Matthews identifies the Corps of Cadets at the United States Military Academy as “the enemy camp.” (73d96f) — 12/1/2009 @ 7:06 pmBut that’s OK, because no matter what kind of idiocy Mr Matthews utters, the United States Army is there to defend his right to say it.
The Army daddy Dana (474dfc) — 12/1/2009 @ 7:07 pmCan I question their loyalty to our nation now?
SPQR (26be8b) — 12/1/2009 @ 7:11 pmChris Matthews let the mask slip a little…
That mask has been off for many years at this point – this only confirms his many earlier statements.
Dmac (a964d5) — 12/1/2009 @ 7:15 pmIt has been said many times before, and it is still true, “They are not against the war, they are just on the other side.”
tyree (9d7ff3) — 12/1/2009 @ 7:17 pmI’m stunned, and quite saddened. Especially for the families facing the Holidays without their brave sons, daughters, husbands, wives – Mr. Matthews, I have no civil words.
em (11cf60) — 12/1/2009 @ 7:24 pmDid Chris Matthews ever consider why the President of the United States gave this speech from West Point with the living, breathing military presence of force,strength and power as his backdrop rather than flying solo from the Oval Office with only the American flag as his backdrop?
Matthews might see West Point and all it represents as the enemy camp, but I think the President saw it as a necessary prop, and he was more than willing to *use* it to make himself appear something more convincing than what his simple solitary presence in the Oval Office would have conveyed.
Something like: As you guys can see, (gesturing to the uniforms behind him) I am really, really serious about this.
Dana (e9ba20) — 12/1/2009 @ 7:26 pmYou think Matthews is siding with Obama?
bored again (d80b5a) — 12/1/2009 @ 7:37 pmAnd Media Matters is all over this too. But they assume Matthews is against Obama.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200912010043
Maybe it is just a football game after all.
Matthews can often be an astonishingly inarticulate motormouth when he blurts out phrases before he thinks them through, but if memory serves, this comment was made when he was referencing conservative ‘elders’ and their ‘camp’ specificly Wolfowitz’s history of penning and delivering speeches at the USMA, and not directed at the cadets, several of which were fighting hard not to doze off. But those of us watching MSNBC and heard it all paused and looked at each other over our turkey soup when he said that. But then, Matthew’s position on Afghanistan, Cheney, Wolfowitz and the neocons is no secret.
DCSCA (9d1bb3) — 12/1/2009 @ 7:46 pm“Enemy camp”? “Strange venue?” WTF? How is West Point the enemy of the U.S. commander-in-chief? Did he know it was at West Point?
But I’m curious.
Did anyone else see “resentment” and “skepticism” in the faces of the cadets? He also noted their “lack of warmth.” Matthews is projecting, in my opinion. (And I say that as a fan of Obama.)
How did he expect them to react? These men and women are part of our future officer corps, not groupies. Obama is their commander in chief, not a rock star.
I thought they were very respectful. They clapped several times. Even that was not necessary. Standing when he enters and leaves suffices, imo.
At the end, many cadets were crowding in for hand-shakes, snapping pictures.
I think his account is extremely inaccurate.
I did kind of chuckle when CNN caught a couple of cadets dozing. Probably had a couple of late nights studying — mixed in with morning drill.
But back to Matthews: This is why so much of what passes for “analysis” has to be taken with a mega-sized grain of salt. Much of it is just inane.
And Mike K, there is no rift between the military and Democrats. That’s a myth created by the right-wing. There are many people who vote Democratic serving in the U.S. Armed Forces. Incredible as they might seem to you. The Republican Party does not own the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard. I know, I know, another unbelievable fact.
Myron (6a93dd) — 12/1/2009 @ 7:50 pmAs a ’74 grad, I can think of nothing more insulting to our Armed Forces and, quite frankly, to all Americans, to hear a national correspondent say such a totally unfounded, irresponsible and igonorant thing. West Point, established by Washington. Graduates including Grant; Pershing; McArthur; Patton; Eisenhower; Bradley; Schwarzkopf and he dares to refer to West Point as an “enemy camp.” Without overstating the case, this should, be a firing offense.
rangerjag (beda8f) — 12/1/2009 @ 7:50 pmIt shocked IMP that Crissy was so honest.
JD (b06bc2) — 12/1/2009 @ 7:54 pmMSLSD!
Alta Bob (e8af2b) — 12/1/2009 @ 7:56 pmFuck Chris Matthews.
Sideways.
He’s not good enough to lick the sand off my sons combat boots.
Lazarus Long (a4f63e) — 12/1/2009 @ 8:14 pmSince it’s MSNBC, he may be in for a raise.
PatAZ (9d1bb3) — 12/1/2009 @ 8:15 pmUm, was Chris Matthews drunk when he made his comments tonight? If he doesn’t realize that Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are two arms of the same body, he has no business being a voice in the MSM. Here’s a lesson for you Chris: The goals of Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are the same. Stop denying that the War on Terror exists and realize that not only are Afghanis and Pakistanis oppressed and terrorized, but these extremists threaten the safety of all of us.
chesva (03e8ec) — 12/1/2009 @ 8:18 pm… and this is why I actively root for their personal destruction and celebrate all bad that comes to them. The sooner he and Olbermoron drop dead — the better for all.
But yes, Commander-and Chief is in “enemy territory” at West Point. Who is so fucking stupid?
HeavenSent (01a566) — 12/1/2009 @ 8:33 pmIT is possible that I am biased, but I highly approve of this comment. 🙂
Scott Jacobs (d027b8) — 12/1/2009 @ 8:34 pmAnd Mike K, there is no rift between the military and Democrats. That’s a myth created by the right-wing.
Yes, that is the script. You have that down pretty well.
Mike K (2cf494) — 12/1/2009 @ 8:34 pm… and, as pointed out, it is nice that Liberals generalize in such a bigoted manner as to label “symbols” other side as “the enemy.” It is like saying the Stars and Stripes is “the enemy.”
Because fact is there are plenty of Democrats and Liberals at West Point. But how would he know …. the closest he got to it was wine tasting in Rhinebeck NY.
HeavenSent (01a566) — 12/1/2009 @ 8:38 pm#25,
I readily accept that you and millions of other democrats are as loyal an American, as any conservative.
That said, you are either in denial or being purposely disingenuous when you state that the assertion of a ‘rift’ between millions of democrats and the military is a mere myth.
It is a fact that many on your side are traitors, yes, traitors and literally hate the US. Had they the power they would destroy the US and many are actively pursuing that agenda.
If allowing Al Qaeda access to highly valuable intelligence information, (an unavoidable result of the discovery process) and jeopardizing the very lives of Americans and foreign nationals actively aiding the US in the fight against radical Islamic terrorism isn’t giving aid and comfort to the enemy…what is?
That is exactly what Holder and Obama are willing to risk, while Holder testified at a Senate hearing that it’s a show trial with the outcome foreordained (“failure is not an option”).
As HOW can it be a fair trial and ‘failure’ NOT be a possibility?
Matthews is simply a bumpkin who lacks the control necessary to prevent his real feelings from emerging.
We’ve seen the enemy tonight and it’s he who places political support above the very safety of the country.
“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” Abraham Lincoln
Geoffrey Britain (5d2bae) — 12/1/2009 @ 8:39 pmThere is no rift in the Military … Democrats another matter.
They want miltary tribunals for our soldiers but for terrorists ….
HeavenSent (01a566) — 12/1/2009 @ 8:40 pm#25 Comment by Myron — 12/1/2009 @ 7:50 pm
And Mike K, there is no rift between the military and Democrats.
Some leaders of the Democratic Party despise the military. Within the party, their leadership positions seem quite secure are not challenged.
It will be interesting to count how many top Democrats condemn Matthews’ comments and demand his resignation. Probably less than three, but please forgive me if I overestimated.
Pons Asinorum (b0bc5f) — 12/1/2009 @ 8:52 pm11:45 PM EST, Matthews acknowledged using ‘ill-chosed words’ noting another networks reference to his comments but restated that ‘his message was clear’ if anyone was listening ‘honestly.’ Honestly, Chris, your message was muddled because, as you often do, you speak before you think things through.
Earlier today around lunch time Matthews referred to expected U.S. help from allied nations as a ‘horse and rabbit stew… with us being the horse.’ Might be time for MSNBC to upgrade their cafeteria menu.
DCSCA (9d1bb3) — 12/1/2009 @ 8:53 pmI find it extremely difficult to watch Matthews because he rarely puts two sentences together in a coherent manner.
Nonetheless, he is on air, or at least cable, for a reason. Usually, that’s eyeballs on the commercials. But one only has to take a cursory glance at his ratings to see that that is not the case.
The only other reason I can think of is that he’s on a GE/NBC-Universal cable network and GE has a lot invested in our coming brave new world.
But that would only make sense if some people were actually watching him.
My conclusion would be to short GE stock, except Bravo has that whole Salahi thing going for them.
Instead of buying out Vivendi, maybe GE should concentrate on more efficient turbines and nuclear applications.
Ag80 (3d1543) — 12/1/2009 @ 8:55 pmThey need to take Mathews head and insert it into the cannon at Michie Stadium right before Army’s home TD.
HeavenSent (01a566) — 12/1/2009 @ 8:57 pmhome = next home
HeavenSent (01a566) — 12/1/2009 @ 8:58 pmAside from the first remark, Matthews goes on to say that West Point is the place where Paul Wolfowitz went to sharpen his rabble-rousing speeches.
So in Chris’ mind, not only is West Point “enemy territory”, it’s also controlled by those evil Neocon Jooooos, no doubt from their secret Neocon headquarters somewhere around the old Grossinger’s Hotel up in the Catskills.
John (620750) — 12/1/2009 @ 9:06 pmMalkin tweets,
So if cadet-basher Chris Matthews thinks West Point is the “enemy camp,” what does he call Gitmo?
Dana (e9ba20) — 12/1/2009 @ 9:18 pm“it’s also controlled by those evil Neocon Jooooos, no doubt from their secret Neocon headquarters somewhere around the old Grossinger’s Hotel up in the Catskills.”
80% of Jews voted for Obama. I guess that makes them race traitors. Which I suppose they wouldn’t be if they voted for people who cater to those who complain about a war on Christmas.
bored again (d80b5a) — 12/1/2009 @ 9:20 pmHappy Holidays.
That’s Happy Chanukah + the other ones.
Sissie Chrissie should step on an IED and loose everything below the belt. That would mean losing two tingling legs since everything else is already gone.
Scrapiron (4e0dda) — 12/1/2009 @ 9:23 pmI can’t speak for the Jews, bored again. But apparently, you can. I can only assume you’re Jewish.
Happy Chanukah!
Ag80 (3d1543) — 12/1/2009 @ 9:37 pmRe: #24
DCSCA watches MSNBC?
NFS!!!
Icy Texan (1e35bf) — 12/1/2009 @ 9:40 pmShocka, isn’t it, Icy?
JD (6ed8b2) — 12/1/2009 @ 9:56 pmBlood Alcohol Content is inebriated again. Anyone who isn’t a WASP but votes Republican is a race-traitor. I have documentation for that. As a matter of fact, I have documentation to show non-whites (which includes those evil joooos) who vote Republican are not only race-traitors but cowards, to boot. And I linked to that documentation in another thread.
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 12/1/2009 @ 10:08 pmSo, Blood Alcohol Content was projectile-vomiting his words.
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 12/1/2009 @ 10:09 pmAnyone getting their marching orders from Olbermonkery, Chrissie & Madcow is frightening, JD.
Icy Texan (1e35bf) — 12/1/2009 @ 10:13 pmComment by bored again — 12/1/2009 @ 9:20 pm
You probably need to drop Chris a line — he’s the one who’s tossing out Wolfowitz’s name like its 2004 all over again and insinuating that he hones his “Protocols of the Elders of Bear Mountain” lines before receptive listeners at the Military Academy.
John (d4490d) — 12/1/2009 @ 10:27 pmNice try, Matthews, but as a 30-year vet of the US Army I have to say we are selective about our enemies. We fight serious threats, bucko, and you just don’t rise to that level.
Nice try to “enemy” us (that’s like “friending” someone on Facebook, right? Only with the hostility dialed up to 11?) but we’re not buying. You wouldn’t make a pimple on the hiney of a Talib, let alone a German storm trooper, square of Redcoat infantry, or NVA bo doi. They were men, by God.
I guess it’s a way to get people to talk about your ratings-sump of a program, but you’re still inconsequential. Maybe you can pick on some Girl Scouts. But you better bring your whole gang.
Kevin R.C. O'Brien (82fba3) — 12/1/2009 @ 10:28 pmI thought I was going to watch a flub and have a good laugh at Matthews’ expense, but after watching it, I think it would be too charitable to write this off as poor choice of words. He doubles down with “rabble” and triples down with “strange venue”.
The Republicans let this guy host their debates. It’s like letting Major Hasan near our troops.
j curtis (5126e4) — 12/1/2009 @ 10:54 pmAs a former USMC Reservist and the father of an active-duty NCO… nuff said.
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 12/1/2009 @ 11:07 pmActive-duty Army NCO, even
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Matthews Provides An Example For My Query About Liberals And The Military « Truth Before Dishonor (45e6e8) — 12/2/2009 @ 2:04 amMatthews is as big an idiot as Limbaugh, which is why I don’t listen to either one of them.
JEA (dffa7e) — 12/2/2009 @ 4:31 amHeavenSent@#41: “They need to take Mathews head and insert it into the cannon at Michie Stadium right before Army’s home TD.”
Would agree, but for the fact that given the recent fortunes of Army’s football team, this just amounts to a life sentence.
Dagwood (9ede2a) — 12/2/2009 @ 5:46 amLet’s look at this situation from a partisan political viewpoint.
Obama and the Leftists in Congress have destroyed the Big Three automakers. They created the mortgage and financial collapse, springing it in September when McCain/Palin inched ahead. They used the “crisis” to ram through a $787B stimulus bill that has destroyed 3.6 million jobs thus far. To fund this bill, they monetized $1B in debt. They are poised to ram through a healthcare bill that will seize control of our $2.5B medical sector. Against growing popular opinion, they will try to push through a bogus cap & trade bill which will kill another million jobs and sign away our energy sovereignty to the UN. Yesterday, he announced that he will cut and run in Afghanistan in July 2011.
In November 2010, unemployment will be above 10% if he is unsuccessful on healthcare and/or cap & trade. If he is successful, it will top 12% as small businesses shed workers to pay for increased labor overhead and energy costs. Blue dogs and rinos will be no more.
In the summer of 2011, without super majorities (or even majorities) in either house, conservatives will defund his agenda as Obama starts his reelection campaign. Our military, without enough boots on the ground, will be unable to withdraw from Afghanistan without abandoning all our equipment or surrendering. Responsibility will rest clearly on the Obama administration. By years’ end, look for an announcement that Obama will abandon his campaign.
In 2012, conservatives (not just republicans) will sweep both houses and take back the White House. democrat party will again be associated with the “copperheads” and relinquished to the minority for a generation.
arch (24f4f2) — 12/2/2009 @ 6:12 amArch- think you meant T’s instead of B’s. But of course we can blame any fiscal woes on the evil Dubya.
Still amazes me how many of the sheep still think Ear Leader is magnificent. Some told me they watched the West Point speech and were mesmerized by O’s oratory…barf.
aoibhneas (6d7589) — 12/2/2009 @ 6:17 amLook, i don’t like matthews. he is a loudmouth political hack. but that being said, you are allowed a stray mistatement or two.
The reality is that i assume the military tends to be more conservative. That’s because they love this country through and through, they recognize that sometimes force is necessary, and many have indeed seen the enemy up close. so while it may be hyperbole, in a sense obama was going before a relatively hostile audience. i am sure the military would be utterly professional, and nice to him, but i also think that most of those soldiers thought obama was making a mistake by setting a timetable.
That being said, Matthews should apologize just to show the world that he did speak incorrectly. but assuming he does in a day or two, i will give him a mulligan on this.
A.W. (e7d72e) — 12/2/2009 @ 6:20 amGood catch. thanks. The medical sector is $2.5T.
arch (24f4f2) — 12/2/2009 @ 6:22 amMatthews, before he decides who the enemy is, might want to look at the international reaction to the speech.
In his speech on America’s new Afghanistan strategy, Obama tried to speak to both places. It was two speeches in one. That is why it felt so false. Both dreamers and realists were left feeling distraught.
The American president doesn’t need any opponents at the moment. He’s already got himself.
Mike K (2cf494) — 12/2/2009 @ 6:32 amAW
We may give Matthews a mulligan, but not Obama. The price of his mistake, and this is a huge one, is measured in lives. Some of those cadets will pay for it with their blood and they know it.
I fought in Vietnam in 1971 and 1972, when we had only 40,000 troops in country. Kerry, Obey, Kennedy and the doves gave the NVA encouragement to continue their fight and launch an invasion by 200,000 NVA troops. A lot of my friends died as a result of these Quislings. Of my squadron’s 18 F4Es, we lost 12, including one in which I was a weapons systems officer.
History repeats itself.
arch (24f4f2) — 12/2/2009 @ 6:34 am@ Kevin (#54)
Well said, sir. (And don’t tell me, should you be enlisted, that you’re not an officer, you work for a living. You clearly deserve the respectful address.)
“…hostility dialed up to 11…” I’m still chuckling. 🙂
rtrski (c69273) — 12/2/2009 @ 6:40 amThat’s a myth created by the right-wing.
Silly me, I thought when Tip O’Neill and Sen. Kennedy went into secret negotiations with the Soviets during Reagan’s term that that was fairly close to high treason. Silly me, I had no idea when Kerry went before Congress and slimed all the troops serving in Vietnam by declaring that “there were thousands of My Lai massacres,” that he really wasn’t disgusting and completely fraudulent, and of course it wasn’t the sign of the worst kind of disrespect for our troops in the field. Silly me, I had no idea when Kerry said only a few years ago that anyone serving in the armed services today must be rednecky idiots, fools who must have had no other options after ending their schooling – well, he was only speaking the truth of the matter.
Silly me, when Murtha stated on the floor that our soldiers were nothing more than crazed killbots that his statement didn’t really mean he was ridiculously biased against the military. Silly me, when Durbin called the servicemen at GITMO (in a public speech on the floor of Congress) “engaging in Nazi – style tactics,” I felt that he was not only a lying piece of crapola, but that he should have been tarred and feathered and left out back in a dumpster for his incredible display of disrespect for our troops.
But no, it was all just a “myth created by the evil right – wing.” Funny, that.
Dmac (a964d5) — 12/2/2009 @ 7:23 am80% of Jews voted for Obama. I guess that makes them race traitors. Which I suppose they wouldn’t be if they voted for people who cater to those who complain about a war on Christmas.
So what are you saying, that it’s Jews’ duty to have a war on Christmas? Or does your brain assume complaining about the war on Christmas is just code language for Jews?
Gerald A (a66d02) — 12/2/2009 @ 7:44 am#68
Also the Navy Seals being court-martialed for allegedly punching the leader of Ahmed Hashim Abed.
Don’t forget Congresswoman Pat Shroeder.
I’ll probably think of a few other examples in a while.
Gerald A (a66d02) — 12/2/2009 @ 7:54 amCadets rise early, many before 5am, every day, their first year they are limited in seeing their families.
They do not have off post priviledges, they are convined to a campus that – while is beautiful, has very few creature comforts that civilian universities poesess. There is an 8 or 9 week beast training during which they do not have any phone priviledges.
Parents do not have visitation rights – there are scheduled events – we are not kept away – but it is a military post –
One coach of one of the cadet sports teams has no legs, there are several faculty members who are disabled
Some cadets have served their country already and were sent to the academy – one was 17 when he was sent to Iraq as a scout sniper in the LRPS
Think its time that Matthews be fired
EricPWJohnson (953640) — 12/2/2009 @ 8:20 amDon’t forget Congresswoman Pat Shroeder.
I had forgotten all about that serial crying half – wit. But duly noted, however barf – inducing she may be.
Dmac (a964d5) — 12/2/2009 @ 8:35 amAnd Media Matters is all over this too. But they assume Matthews is against Obama.
Media Matters is even more psychotic than MSNBC.
Gerald A (a66d02) — 12/2/2009 @ 8:47 amBy going to West Point for this pronouncement:
1) The cadets have been warned – to their faces by their ‘Commander in Chief’ – that he considers them to be but pawns in the great endeavor to diminish their Nation to the care, custody, and charity of the socialists.
2) They are thus prepared to uphold their oaths to ‘defend and protect the Constitution’ – not the President – and when he attempts to suspend elections ‘for the duration of the domestic emergency’ they may well refuse to participate on His side of the (possibly armed) debate.
So yes, persons like Mr. Matthews may well consider them to be ‘the enemy’ – or at least the future ones.
I really really hope John Ringo’s ‘The Last Centurion’ is not prophetic.
Robert N. (ad4ee7) — 12/2/2009 @ 9:17 am“Obama and the Leftists in Congress have destroyed the Big Three automakers…”
Comment by arch — 12/2/2009 @ 6:12 am
BTW, the “new” CEO of GM just quit after what, eight months on the job.
Things are really going well over there at Government Leyland!
AD - RtR/OS! (74067f) — 12/2/2009 @ 9:33 amArch #66
No disagreement there. Like with a lot of Obama’s policies, I have been saying, “I think he’s making a mistake, but I am praying I am wrong.”
And if we lose, its not even history repeating itself. James Taranto did the math a few years ago on Iraq and said that at the rate the enemy was killing our soldiers, we would have to stay in there until 2070 or so to lose as many soldiers as we did in Vietnam. I mean my God, we lost more soldiers in 30 seconds on D-Day than we have during the entire afghan war. When did we become such a nation of wimps.
My favorite is the claim that no one can hold Afghanistan. Yeah, well the afghans did it somehow.
What the left doesn’t understand is this. Wars are not won based on body counts, etc. The way to win a war is to convince the ones who decides to wage war to stop fighting. Now traditionally it has been done by inflicting losses on the enemy, but especially when it comes to democracies, it can also be done by convincing the other side to stop. The dirty little secret of our revolution, for instance, is that we didn’t defeat the british militarily; we convinced their whig party that the british cause was wrong. And the dirty secret of Vietnam is that we were not being defeated militarily but instead we decided to stop fighting.
Now its not inherently treason to decide to stop fighting a war. What the whigs did during the revolution was the right thing and true to their revolution of 1688. But much of the arguments the left deployed have proven specious over time. The SV government might not have been pure as untread snow, but it beat the hell out of the NV government.
Dmac
On the “myth” of estrangement between the left and the military…
You don’t need all that to refute that silliness. All you need to say is this. In Bush v. Gore, Al Gore claimed to want all the votes counted—except military votes. Those he tried to suppress, and the left regularly tries to suppress the military vote. The left may claim that the military is on its side, but its willful suppression of the vote that they are often dying for, says otherwise.
A.W. (e7d72e) — 12/2/2009 @ 10:29 amWe decided to stop fighting because of the lies told by the fifth columnists.
The truth about the Vietnam War.
“That is an abject lie. The United States was not a signatory to
the peace settlement between the French and the Viet Minh. And,
the US was defending the Republic of Vietnam from an invasion.
Whatever the US administrations and military leaders did wrong,
THAT was not one of them.
Let’s put things in their proper context, for starters. You’re
talking about an authoritarian communist regime which, during the
1950s, was murdering many tens of thousands of North Vietnamese
civilians, stealing the property of everyone else, and using terror
tactics to subject the whole population of North Vietnam to a total
destruction of rational social order. None of the usual excuses
from historical revisionsists like you apply here: this wasn’t self
defense because the French were gone; the US was not in North
Vietnam during that decade.
This was not a spontaneous uprising or well-intentioned attempt to
make a “better society”. Ho Chi Minh founded the Indochinese
Communist Party in 1930 (in exile in China). Before that, he was
trained by the Soviets while in the USSR. These murderous thugs
planned to conquer and enslave their own countrymen before moving
on to their neighbors. They did both. Thirty years later, the
people in Vietnam are STILL oppressed by their government and
living in a failed economy, ruined by the denial of their freedom.
So save your revisionist lies about peace settlements and peaceful
Michael Ejercito (6a1582) — 12/2/2009 @ 11:34 amelections. This was about doing battle with murderous thugs and
unfortuntately the murderous thugs won.”
Good points – I had forgotten about that awesome vet Gore trying to stick it to the military voters.
I mean my God, we lost more soldiers in 30 seconds on D-Day than we have during the entire afghan war.
The MSM also never, and I mean never, mentions that we had over 50,000 casualties during the last island campaign in Okinawa. That was the primary determinant for the military and Truman to finish and drop those bombs as quickly as possible; to extrapolate that carnage to the invasion of Japan would’ve totaled casualties into the millions – on both sides. But we dropped the bomb, so naturally we’re evil.
Dmac (a964d5) — 12/2/2009 @ 11:41 amI’m still trying to figure out the deployment schedule.
We were told that Obama wasn’t dithering because no one could be deployed until summer 2010… now they are withdrawing in July 2011.
The “I was against it at the same time I was for it, so we left before we got there” strategy.
SteveG (97b6b9) — 12/2/2009 @ 1:03 pmMost cerebral President ever. Too bad what is going up there is so mushy though
Matthews coughed up a lengthy mia culpa at the top of his MSNBC ‘Hardball’ cablecast Wednesday. A wordy apology of sorts, from the motormouth, apparently set straight by a friend who was a USMA cadet. He’ll be tripping over fresh words by next week.
DCSCA (9d1bb3) — 12/2/2009 @ 2:07 pm