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11/30/2009

Is Maurice Clemmons Huckabee’s “Willie Horton”? Yes — In More Ways Than One.

Filed under: Crime,Race — Patterico @ 7:14 am



Michelle Malkin wonders whether Maurice Clemmons is Mike Huckabee’s “Willie Horton II.” I think she’s right — in more ways than one. The issue here lies in the perception of what “Willie Horton” actually means to you.

To most Americans who remember the controversy, “Willie Horton” signifies a brain-dead politician furloughing a murderer who used his freedom to escape and commit a string of crimes including rape. It signifies what happens when an executive goes out of its way to grant a level of freedom to a clearly dangerous person.

But to a band of elitist progressives (including most in Big Media), “Willie Horton” signifies the GOP’s exploitation of race to win elections. And this is the sense, I predict, in which Maurice Clemmons will in coming days be cited as the return of Willie Horton.

Assuming that Clemmons (wasn’t he great in Springsteen’s E Street band?) continues to look like the guy officials are focusing on, the left will certainly begin to cite Clemmons’s race (he’s black) as evidence that Huckabee’s opponents are racist. As with Willie Horton, at the end of the day, the stupidity of the decision won’t be the media story. The race of the offender will.

Some newspapers will be reluctant to print his picture. Hands will be wrung. Race hustlers will declaim that the story is a “dog whistle” for racism. And the issue of the wisdom of granting Clemmons clemency (Clemmonsy?) will be de-emphasized.

It will take time, but it will happen to some degree. The only reason we haven’t seen much of it yet is because Huckabee, after all, is still a “Republican.”

79 Responses to “Is Maurice Clemmons Huckabee’s “Willie Horton”? Yes — In More Ways Than One.”

  1. Assuming that Clemmons (wasn’t he great in Springsteen’s E Street band?)

    I assume one must be a huge fan of The Boss to get this?

    Scott Jacobs (445f98)

  2. Huckabee has a reputation in Arkansas as being very very soft on criminals.
    http://minx.cc/?post=249029

    GAH! I can’t stand that guy.

    Vivian Louise (eeeb3a)

  3. the Huckster is just another scumbag RINO.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  4. I’m not sure, the opportunity to trash a prominent religious conservative can rarely be ignored.

    Wasn’t the Willie Horton thing a big deal because reference to him was intended to help a Republican candidate, so they had to undercut the argument?

    maybe I’m wrong on the details of the old story.

    Maybe this will simply clarify the L’s spin/propaganda priorities

    given the choice, do you:
    A. Scream racism
    B. Smear a politically active religious conservative
    (of course C. do both at the same time would be the preference, not sure how they will do that- I take that back, they are used to talking out of both sides of their mouth, oh well)

    MD in Philly (227f9c)

  5. Clarence Clemons is Springsteen’s sax player.
    Maurice was actually with the Steve Miller Band, I believe.

    kaf (16e0b5)

  6. Clemmons is the name of the saxaphone player (I think), not sure if the spelling is the same, and I’m not a big “Stringspeen” fan

    MD in Philly (227f9c)

  7. Willie Horton was Lee Atwater and Lee Atwater now rests in peace. I have not seen any political consultant yet in the GOP who would be fit to shine his shoes.

    nk (df76d4)

  8. Political strategist or campaign manager, if you wish.

    nk (df76d4)

  9. Huck is *not* a conservative, no matter how often the MFM wishes to portray him as such, and repeating the claim for them doesn’t make it any more so.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  10. charles johnson just e-mailed to let me know that even though huck is a christian retard in charles’ eyes, he wont let us attack huck just because we’re racist and he’s not. Also, we’re all banned. Forever. From what, he didn’t say, but i think he meant from civilized society. Why must we be so intolerant of cop killers?

    chaos (7c068a)

  11. I guess when I talked about the L wanting to trash a religious conservative, i guess I was focusing on who his base is purported to be. I agree that he is not real conservative “politically” on many things, but I think he largely has “conservative social values voters” behind him. Happy to be corrected if wrong.

    MD in Philly (227f9c)

  12. Not sure I agree. Horton reinforced an impression that Democrats weren’t to be trusted on crime and criminals… hurting Dukasis’s attempt to convince moderates that he wasn’t your ‘typical liberal’.

    With Huckabee, crime has to rank near the bottom of issues that make voters apprehensive about voting for him.

    steve sturm (369bc6)

  13. my biggest issue with huck is that he gives off a strong impression of being a huckster. Same vibe as barry o.

    chaos (7c068a)

  14. Ahem, It wasn’t Atwater and the GOP that brought up Willie Horton. It was a Dukakis rival, AL GORE, who ran the first commercials using Horton against Dukakis.

    Get it right people. The liberals can’t. Let’s not be liberals.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  15. What’s also interesting about Horton is that he was first brought up as an issue by Gore. Sure Bush pounded on it but it’s not like Dukakis’ Dem opponents were any different.

    Soronel Haetir (2b4c2b)

  16. Wow, I spend a little time making sure it was actually Gore and I get beat by a minute.

    Soronel Haetir (2b4c2b)

  17. Horton was clearly racist dog-whistling to the Right, but this is not, since it will hurt a Republican.

    I will not shed a tear when F*ckabee is no longer considering another run. Good riddance.

    JD (7e3655)

  18. Thank you, redc1c4, for pointing out the obvious fact that most people overlook. Mike Huckabee is not a conservative. He’s a class-warfare statist who happens to be a Baptist preacher.

    radar (98f691)

  19. Soronel Haetir

    We’ll give you credit as well, no offense to PCD.

    Facts and details are pesky things, when they get brought up, aren’t they?

    MD in Philly (227f9c)

  20. Our esteemed host wrote:

    the left will certainly begin to cite Clemmons’s race (he’s black) as evidence that Huckabee’s opponents are racist. As with Willie Horton, at the end of the day, the stupidity of the decision won’t be the media story. The race of the offender will.

    Nahhh, because Mr Huckabee is a pro-life Republican, so everything he does is wrong. The fact that Mr Clemmons is black might be cited to prove that Mr Husckabee isn’t racist, but the fact will remain that he’s still just a stoopid Christianist.

    Of course, the fact that those evil white people sentenced that poor, 17 year old blacm man to 95 years in prison is evidence that they were racists, and, naturally, that was what scarred him so badly that he committed other crimes after he got out.

    The realistic Dana (3e4784)

  21. I don’t think Huck is necessarily a bad guy, but I am no fan of populist anti-corporate culture war Republicanism. When it is taken to extremes, it morphs into the Pat Buchanan philosophy which to me is somewhat odious.

    The left will be in a little bit of a bind over this. I think they know that Huck probably can’t unify the GOP in 2012, so it is in their interest to have him as a legitimate candidate in order to drive a wedge between the traditional and populist wings of the party. However, should it appear that he does have a chance to win the Republican nomination and potentially appeal to voters in places like Iowa, Colorado, Virginia, North Carolina, Indiana and other states that Obama won last year, I would expect the left to play the Maurice Clemmoncy card for all it is worth, irrespective of his race.

    JVW (0fe413)

  22. I’ve never like Huck, so the Left can demonize him to their heart’s content. When I saw that ad in Iowa for him last election (where he was surrounded by crosses in the background) – he didn’t exactly impress me with that shameless move.

    Dmac (a964d5)

  23. Huckabee’s done. He wasn’t going to get the nom anyway. There is, as yet, no decent Republican candidate who is not hated or ignored by at least 1/3rd of the party. Excepting the VA governor, and it’s still early for him.

    Before he died, Lee Atwater recanted. Some people here may believe he had nothing to recant for. But he was there, doing the things this current generation of bloggers admires, and he believed otherwise. He didn’t see it as a Republican thing, but as a winning thing.

    Obviously, he wasn’t my kind of folk, but he did leave us with that rare gift in politics — a moment of actual honesty. People should keep this in mind when they make the ludicrous claim that Horton was not an example of playing the race card in addition to highlighting a dumb furlough decision (the two are not mutually exclusive, btw).

    What the passage below illustrates is not that Atwater knows a whole lot about economics. Whether Republican economic strategies hurt blacks is a topic for a different time. But what it illustrates clearly is that Atwater knew he was playing the race card:

    Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry Dent and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [the new Southern Strategy of Ronald Reagan] doesn’t have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he’s campaigned on since 1964… and that’s fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster…

    Questioner: But the fact is, isn’t it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps…?

    Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, “Ni**er, ni**er, ni**er.” By 1968 you can’t say “ni**er”—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now [that] you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  24. A Palin nomination seems more likely now. Don’t think she’s even remotely our best candidate, but the populist/religious marketplace just got less complicated.

    Kevin Murphy (3c3db0)

  25. Another point: we’re going to keep having situations such as this unless conservatives develop some backbone and are willing to criticize programs like this with all the vehemence they deserve and without fear of being called racist.

    steve sturm (369bc6)

  26. This was plucked from the linked Malkin article. It provides a very contemptible rationale by Huckabeen in his slew of clemmonsies and parole interferences from that period of his governorship. I’m considering how to combine Huckabee and hypocrit. Huckacrit is too blatant, but Huckabrit comes close to a being a double…

    “…Several prosecutors around the state are upset with Gov. Huckabee for granting clemency to violent criminals, but he is blaming the prosecutors for often not seeking the maximum penalty and keeping felons locked up longer.

    Until now, Huckabee has refused to comment on his controversial policy of making violent prisoners eligible for parole– they include murderers, armed robbers and rapists, who often return to a life of crime after they’re freed – but in a statement to The Leader this week, he lashed out at prosecutors for not doing more to keep prisoners behind bars – to which Pulaski County Prosecuting Attorney…”

    political agnostic (803e58)

  27. Ah yes, Myron: an alleged quote without any citation. Would you perhaps provide a link to the source for this quote, or are we to take your word for it that it is authentic? I would love to know if this quote appeared after Atwater had died, you know, in the same way that William Casey supposedly recanted for his role in Iran-Contra on his deathbed.

    JVW (0fe413)

  28. “Huckabeen.”

    That’s funny, political agnostic. 🙂

    Myron (63564c)

  29. Ugh, I meant “repented” instead of “recanted.”

    JVW (0fe413)

  30. In the meantime, the police engaged in a firefight with an empty house and Clemmons is long gone. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9C9V3601&show_article=1

    nk (df76d4)

  31. Do all the analysis you like. The end result will be the same for Huckabee, he’s damaged goods.

    john stokes (c41f43)

  32. Willie Horton….Al Gore….NY Primary!

    And, just because Atwater recanted doesn’t mean he was initially wrong,
    just that he’d changed his mind about what was the most effective tactic/strategy…
    but then, he won, which was the objective after all.

    And, you’re still a maroon!

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  33. I saw “Huckawas” on twitter. Thought it fit.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  34. Myron and I agree – algore is a racist.

    JD (f56a68)

  35. If this were the only criminal Huck let out of jail it would be bad! But Huck let other criminals out of jail to rape and kill. Huck, besides being a “tax + spend” liberal, is a bleeding heart liberal. Another example of how far to the left the GOP has moved this decade!

    rod stanton (a94d6d)

  36. I’ve lost interest in Myron. He’s that joke that was funny the first three times you heard it but isn’t funny anymore. Just dumb.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  37. you know, i think the big mistake in all of this analysis is that it assumes that people are much more tuned in than they are. i remember seeing a poll once that said that only 10% of the public at large even knew who ann coulter is. even having run for president i bet the numbers are not much better for huckabee. the idea that people are going to pay that much attention to this story at all, i suspect is wrong.

    and i will add that republicans have more street cred on crime than dems. what was devastating about horton is it fed into the perception that dukakis was soft on crime. it interacted in a bad way with the “if your wife was raped” question in the debate and other facts and circumstances. Huckabee comes in with the republican street cred–deserved or not–on crime, and with nothing else for this to reinforce, this will sound to most people as a random mistake.

    The most devastating stories like this are those that fit a narrative. like Bush Sr. and the cash register. never mind that the story was crap, it fit a narrative of a man out of touch, so it still killed him in 1992.

    that all being said, huck does need to give a better explanation than he has given so far. What motivated the clemmency? what made Huck say, “sure, let this one out?”

    A.W. (b1db52)

  38. JVW: The Atwater quote is well-known and if you want to debate Atwater with me or anyone who knows anything about his career, you should know it, or get to know it.

    But here’s your cite:

    ^ Lamis, Alexander P. et al. (1990) The Two Party South. Oxford University Press.

    And some background:

    As a member of the Reagan administration in 1981, Atwater gave an anonymous interview to Political Scientist Alexander P. Lamis. Part of this interview was printed in Lamis’ book The Two-Party South, then reprinted in Southern Politics in the 1990s with Atwater’s name revealed …”

    But if you refuse to read, just check out the movie “Boogey Man.” (Very good flick.)

    Atwater did not white-wash his legacy as others since then his death have tried to.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  39. That should be “since his death …”

    Myron (6a93dd)

  40. JD: Nothing’s racist to you. I wonder how the word even came into existence, since, in your view, it exists nowhere in nature.

    I am quoting Atwater. If you insist he was not using the southern strategy, despite the words from his own mouth — don’t tell me. Write it on a note, put in a bottle and bury it as his gravesite. He’s at Greenlawn Cemetery in Columbia, S.C.

    By the way: On race and politics, I think Atwater was pretty much agnostic. He’d have done the same if he were a Democrat, and he didn’t seem to have anything particular against blacks. He just saw a way to win the presidency by dividing the south.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  41. When he thought he was doing well in Iowa, we were warned of an impending Huckaboom; I guess this is a Huckabust.

    It didn’t help him that he’d helped release too many Huckabums.

    The semanticist Dana (3e4784)

  42. AD: “which was the objective after all…

    I know that “win-at-all-costs” is yours and some other people’s morality. That’s one of the problems with this great nation.

    But I take a different view. I’d rather lose than deliberately divide America at its racial and ethnic fault lines.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  43. And how soon will his show on Fox get the Huckaboot?

    The snarky Dana (3e4784)

  44. Yeah, Myron, that’s what we did in 2008, and look what it got us: poorer, and deeper n debt.

    The disappointed Dana (3e4784)

  45. myron

    so he didn’t say atwater said it until atwater was too dead to contradict him? you know how dubious that sounds?

    but even assuming the quote to be authentic, dress it up all you want and all you are doing is race baiting.

    “Oh, did you know that atwater said that position X was racist. so if you hold position X you must be racist. so therefore you have to support my socialist utopia or else you are a racist.”

    Yeah, except let’s take food stamps. while most poor people aren’t black and most black people aren’t poor, last i checked black people were disproportionately poor. okay. but is dependency the solution? or is it, like most government programs, doing more harm than good? and if so, then isn’t the real racists the dems who advocate for it?

    Indeed, if you see poor as synonymous with black and then you treat the poor as though they are incapable of living independantly, well, what does that make you?

    Orrrrrrrrr… we could stop racializing every f—ing issue, and look at their merits on their own terms. socialists like you still support a policy that does more harm to a group that is disproportionately black than good, but rather than assume that you intend to do so based on their racial composition, i will assume that you really are trying to help, albeit ineptly and rather than just calling you a racist, i will say you are a socialist, as you apparently are, and however well intentioned, you do more harm than good.

    A.W. (e7d72e)

  46. Since prosecutors fought the release, what ‘civil’ rights groups pressured Huck to grant the pardon? There’s two sides to every coin unless it’s been owned by a democrat who scraped one side off. Don’t misread me, I’ve never like Huck but there’s more of the story to come, like the truth. Where are Je$$ie and Rip Off $harpton?

    Scrapiron (4e0dda)

  47. Atwater died from a brain tumor in 1991. The book was published the previous year.

    I’ve run you through a history lesson. Now I’m teaching you the damn calendar, too?

    You’re about to get cut off, kid, as a waste of my time. I don’t come on this blog to teach the basics.

    What’s next? Times tables?

    The rest of your rambling post has all the earmarks of a very untutored understanding on the complex issue of race in America. Probably drawn from personal anecdotes and your “gut feelings.”

    Your final failing is that you didn’t read my initial post, where I specifically said Atwater’s opinions on Republican economic policies and blacks were not relevant to my point. So, basically, I’ll let you debate food stamps and how everyone who disagrees with you is a “socialist” (something ELSE you apparently don’t understand) with some other person.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  48. what ‘civil’ rights groups pressured Huck to grant the pardon?

    None. Rev. Huck, I’ll suggest, was more likely swayed by the guy’s alleged Christian conversion.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  49. Myron – The caricature you just created of me could not be less accurate. What I said had nothing to do with Atwater, I was noting that algore introduced Horton into the political arena. And I have never said racism doesn’t exist. It just does not exist in the manner in which it is used as a political cudgel, like in the manner that SEK wielded it. That kind of usage renders it meaningless. I really thought you were more honest than that. Pity.

    JD (24122d)

  50. Myron teaching history is like Al Gore teaching the scientific method.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  51. Post No. 47 was directed at A.W., btw.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  52. JD: I don’t mean to caricature you, and I agree “fake racial grievances” have been used as a weapon.

    But what would you acknowledge as a clear case of racism? What’s a prominent example from real life, from say, the last 20 years? I’m just curious if you believe any act of racism has occurred in the last 20 years.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  53. Myron

    My apologies, I thought you said Atwater died first, but since the rest of my argument was based on assuming the quote is authentic, its unaffected. Of course, how much a man with a brain tumor can be expected to find and debate a controversial quote would be a matter of interest, and how seriously they would take his position would be, too.

    Anyway the fact is your race-baiting by proxy has been found out and called out. And yes, food stamps are a socialist program. Sheesh, who exactly do you think you are fooling?

    But go on in your snotty “I am superior to everyone” pose. It would be amusing if it wasn’t just such a cliché.

    A.W. (e7d72e)

  54. Since I’ve already seen his picture – in two different publications – Malkin’s argument about race is, as usual, profoundly stupid.

    JEA (9f9fc9)

  55. Huckabee is dangerously stupid and now there’s people what are dead cause of it.

    happyfeet (0003d3)

  56. “…As a member of the Reagan administration in 1981, Atwater gave an anonymous interview to Political Scientist Alexander P. Lamis…”

    Let’s see if I’ve got this straight…
    Myron is saying that in an interview Atwater gave in 1981, he repudiated the manner in which he strategized for GHWB in 1988?

    I guess he didn’t really believe his own words then, so why should we?

    Not even good comic relief.

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  57. But go on in your snotty “I am superior to everyone” pose. It would be amusing if it wasn’t just such a cliché.
    Comment by A.W. — 11/30/2009 @ 11:53 am

    Sort of reminds me of truthandjustice.

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  58. Myron – Sure racism exists. Who would argue differently?

    JD (54c62f)

  59. Does racism exist?…Yes! In every culture in the World.
    In America?…It is particularly heinous within Leftist/Liberal circles.

    “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”
    Chief Justice Roberts

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  61. Two Comments, FWIW,

    Speaking of “alleged Christian conversions”, I did hear that Atwater apologized for some of his behavior when he became a Christian before he died, though I know nothing of just what public or private maters were at issue (think I read/heard from something by Colson, not sure)..

    Reading the link by Myron, it sounds like there were issues at the time of his release by Huckabee that were in his favor, judge and parole board suggested it, he was put in as a teen, claimed to have gotten his act together, etc. I agree that Huckabee’s statement sounds like a premature dodging of blame, even if it is more or less a reasonable view of the situation. It’s easier to see someone is a hardened recividist (sp)Comment after they’ve broken terms of probation with multiple charges.

    If you recall, one thing about Bush’s term as governor was the number of prisoners executed, including one woman who had a lot of people asking for her pardon after she went through a conversion experience. Bush was sympathetic, but said she was receiving just recompense for her actions on Earth- I can’t remember any more details than that.

    Meanwhile, “Son of Sam” had a remarkable change for the good, but actually pre-empted his first parole hearing and said he would not ask for parole (even though he had been a model inmate for quite some time), that he didn’t deserve it, and families of his victims should feel some degree of peace of mind knowing he would stay locked up.

    MD in Philly (227f9c)

  62. I don’t know if Clemmons will become Huckabee’s Willie Horton. However, if Judge Stephen Reinhart and his 2 fellow panel members hearing the case involving the alleged lack of health care for CA prison inmates constituting cruel and unusual punishment have their way, there are thousands of Maurice Clemmons soon to be released.

    Stu707 (0981d5)

  63. I know that racism exists because JD points out all of the examples to me.

    Icy Texan (661211)

  64. “Maurice Clemmons”

    Career psycho scumbag who should have been put down like a mad dog years ago.

    Instead, he’s repeatedly released by our fabulous “justice” system.

    Same old, same old.

    Dave Surls (37e584)

  65. #

    When he thought he was doing well in Iowa, we were warned of an impending Huckaboom; I guess this is a Huckabust.

    It didn’t help him that he’d helped release too many Huckabums.

    Comment by The semanticist Dana — 11/30/2009 @ 11:10 am

    I fell for the warnings. Those early polls had me seriously concerned Huck would be the nominee. Even vs Obama, I would have a hard time voting for Huckabee (before this incident, too).

    I can’t say I’m delighted his career is over, having ended this way, but I am glad his career is over.

    Dustin (cf255c)

  66. A.W., I appreciate you making some of my points in my absence. I’m wary of a book that prints an inflammatory “anonymous” interview with Atwater and then finally attributes it to him only when he is suffering from a brain tumor and is likely incapable of responding. Imagine a hypothetical 2001 interview with Ted Kennedy in which he talks about opposing the War on Terror simply to enhance Democrat electoral prospects, then suddenly the interview is published with Kennedy’s name attached a few months before his death. Wouldn’t that set off the skepticism alarms?

    JVW (0fe413)

  67. I don’t come on this blog to teach the basics.

    Myron, a lot of us have been wondering about that. Why, exactly, do you come here ? Comic relief, maybe ?

    Mike K (2cf494)

  68. He comes here because he’s been 86’d by all the clown-costume rental shops.

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  69. re: #68

    maybe he has a masochistic desire to be a conservative chew toy. 🙂

    A.W. (e7d72e)

  70. Well, he’s found something he’s good at.

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  71. He comes here because he’s been 86′d by all the clown-costume rental shops.

    Nay – he’s here because he was fired from his previous job as Head Fluffer. Got too close to the talent.

    Dmac (a964d5)

  72. I want someone to investigate why Clemmons was granted bail in Washington state. I heard a prosecutor state on the news that they were unaware of his criminal history. What a bunch of BS. The only way they could be unaware is if they didn’t trouble themselves to check.

    Don Bear (2b5dbf)

  73. Anyone watch o’reilly last night. they were hammering the judges who let the guy out on low bail, and huckabee did a little better taking responsibility.

    look, in this particular case, when the judge himself says, “cut this guy a break” its hard to say huck is way off base. i don’t know. its easy to judge things in 20/20 hindsight.

    A.W. (e7d72e)

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  75. I re-read this whole thread this morning, and still cannot figure out what point Myron was trying to make.

    JD (c72acf)

  76. JD, Myron doesn’t make points. He just has point on top of his cranium like the coneheads, but lacks anything of substance in the cone.

    I don’t think a Huckabee is going to win an Iowa caucus from either side, and that includes the Huckleberry in the White House.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  77. As one who lives in the neighborhood that clemons was shot and killed , I would like to know if huckabee apologized during the O’Reily show.

    seaPea (0c6ab0)

  78. Ummmm sorry, but Al Gore WASN’T the first to bring up Willie Horton during the 1988 campaign. Al Gore Gore took issue with the furlough program, but Gore never mentioned the Horton incident or ever even mentioned Horton’s name.

    Adsum (7828b2)


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