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	<title>Comments on: Americans Love Clunkers</title>
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		<title>By: Cars4Charities</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/11/04/americans-love-clunkers/comment-page-1/#comment-578088</link>
		<dc:creator>Cars4Charities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cash for clunkers did not help car manufacturers. It just hurt car repair shops, car donation charities, taxpayers and the poor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cash for clunkers did not help car manufacturers. It just hurt car repair shops, car donation charities, taxpayers and the poor.</p>
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		<title>By: A.W.</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/11/04/americans-love-clunkers/comment-page-1/#comment-577253</link>
		<dc:creator>A.W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dustin

Oh lord, it sucked more than you could imagine.  one died.  the other was totaled.  and my wife was in it.  on moving day.  a very rainy moving day.  And i was so upset i manage to dent someone&#039;s car parking the moving van.  I can laugh now, but those were some of the most miserable days of my life.

She&#039;s okay, mind you.  i can tell you that those saturns are amazing in a wreck.  Too bad the company is going kaput, but even used, those cars are great in terms of survivability.  and pretty kick ass on mileage.

But its a special moment when the insurance company calls to discuss a wreck on a date certain and you have to ask, &quot;which one?&quot;  and the best part, they ask me who my insurance company was, for the moving van accident, and i say, &quot;guess what?  you are!&quot;

Like i said, i can laugh about it now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dustin</p>
<p>Oh lord, it sucked more than you could imagine.  one died.  the other was totaled.  and my wife was in it.  on moving day.  a very rainy moving day.  And i was so upset i manage to dent someone&#8217;s car parking the moving van.  I can laugh now, but those were some of the most miserable days of my life.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s okay, mind you.  i can tell you that those saturns are amazing in a wreck.  Too bad the company is going kaput, but even used, those cars are great in terms of survivability.  and pretty kick ass on mileage.</p>
<p>But its a special moment when the insurance company calls to discuss a wreck on a date certain and you have to ask, &#8220;which one?&#8221;  and the best part, they ask me who my insurance company was, for the moving van accident, and i say, &#8220;guess what?  you are!&#8221;</p>
<p>Like i said, i can laugh about it now.</p>
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		<title>By: Today&#8217;s Tidbits</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/11/04/americans-love-clunkers/comment-page-1/#comment-577247</link>
		<dc:creator>Today&#8217;s Tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Americans Love Clunkers So gas guzzlers were swapped for yet more gas guzzlers. Some day the Fed&#8217;s are actually promote a program that works like its billed to work.  (Don&#8217;t hold your breath) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  Americans Love Clunkers So gas guzzlers were swapped for yet more gas guzzlers. Some day the Fed&#8217;s are actually promote a program that works like its billed to work.  (Don&#8217;t hold your breath) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AD - RtR/OS!</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/11/04/americans-love-clunkers/comment-page-1/#comment-577112</link>
		<dc:creator>AD - RtR/OS!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because their lives are, for the most part, without any purpose, which is why they believe with great ardor, all that BS that passes for EnviroWisdom.

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Those that believe in nothing, will believe in anything&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because their lives are, for the most part, without any purpose, which is why they believe with great ardor, all that BS that passes for EnviroWisdom.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Those that believe in nothing, will believe in anything&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: SPQR</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/11/04/americans-love-clunkers/comment-page-1/#comment-577099</link>
		<dc:creator>SPQR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who own trucks do so because a truck gives them value - it serves a purpose.  This is a concept that the enviro fanatics can&#039;t understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who own trucks do so because a truck gives them value &#8211; it serves a purpose.  This is a concept that the enviro fanatics can&#8217;t understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the Ford F 150 is a great truck. I have one in Arizona that I bought used three years ago. It needed a new intake manifold and has been great ever since. I would get another one for California but I&#039;m getting talked into taking over my wife&#039;s Tahoe because she wants a smaller SUV. I have a Toyota Highlander that I thought I&#039;d drive 15 years but it may go to one of my kids. We shuffle cars around as kids need one and Dad buys a new one.

I can&#039;t think of one good idea that has come from this government in the past year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the Ford F 150 is a great truck. I have one in Arizona that I bought used three years ago. It needed a new intake manifold and has been great ever since. I would get another one for California but I&#8217;m getting talked into taking over my wife&#8217;s Tahoe because she wants a smaller SUV. I have a Toyota Highlander that I thought I&#8217;d drive 15 years but it may go to one of my kids. We shuffle cars around as kids need one and Dad buys a new one.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t think of one good idea that has come from this government in the past year.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said happyfeet when I meant A.W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said happyfeet when I meant A.W.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gp, that&#039;s almost certainly the case.  Obama has no qualms about picking which dealers get to live and which die, based on politics.  That&#039;s why fascism is wrong, at the heart of it.

Happyfeet, that sucks about both your cars dying together.  That really sucks.  I also had an awful car, a true clunker, that was ineligible for the program.  I saw great cars on youtube being destroyed with my tax dollars.  It&#039;s just so frustrating... this is real damage to our people and our way of life.

It&#039;s nice to know I can take care of myself without freebies, but it is obviously disheartening to know that I&#039;m getting the raw deal.  Someone who wasn&#039;t as responsible gets to live in a house for ages after not paying their mortgage... or someone gets a huge assist with their down payment on a house they may not be ready for (and can&#039;t leave during a semi-depression!), or gets a huge check while being encouraged into a new car payment they can&#039;t afford, or gets super easy terms on student loans and credit cards, while someone who plays by the rules gets new fees and higher interest to make up the difference.

The government is actively out to help people who aren&#039;t working as hard.  Being poor in America is relatively awesome, so why screw me?  Obviously, because that&#039;s how Obama gets his votes.  And our kids, their kids too, are going to pay dearly for Obama&#039;s campaign.  It&#039;s just plain unnatural to steal from your kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gp, that&#8217;s almost certainly the case.  Obama has no qualms about picking which dealers get to live and which die, based on politics.  That&#8217;s why fascism is wrong, at the heart of it.</p>
<p>Happyfeet, that sucks about both your cars dying together.  That really sucks.  I also had an awful car, a true clunker, that was ineligible for the program.  I saw great cars on youtube being destroyed with my tax dollars.  It&#8217;s just so frustrating&#8230; this is real damage to our people and our way of life.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice to know I can take care of myself without freebies, but it is obviously disheartening to know that I&#8217;m getting the raw deal.  Someone who wasn&#8217;t as responsible gets to live in a house for ages after not paying their mortgage&#8230; or someone gets a huge assist with their down payment on a house they may not be ready for (and can&#8217;t leave during a semi-depression!), or gets a huge check while being encouraged into a new car payment they can&#8217;t afford, or gets super easy terms on student loans and credit cards, while someone who plays by the rules gets new fees and higher interest to make up the difference.</p>
<p>The government is actively out to help people who aren&#8217;t working as hard.  Being poor in America is relatively awesome, so why screw me?  Obviously, because that&#8217;s how Obama gets his votes.  And our kids, their kids too, are going to pay dearly for Obama&#8217;s campaign.  It&#8217;s just plain unnatural to steal from your kids.</p>
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		<title>By: A.W.</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dustin its even worse than you imagine.  Do you know how much the program cost, per car?

$24,000.

That is right, it cost $24K per car to give out about $4.5K.

Add that to the fact that this was in essence a destruction of wealth program and you can see how nuts it is.  We are literally a poorer nation because of this program.

And the whole thing was ridiculous.  my wife&#039;s car got terrible mileage but it was not eligible, and mine got great mileage but it was.  huh?  And because then both of our cars were totalled (long, bad story), we literally had to shop for car the day after it all ended (yes, my life is proof that God is real and has a cruel sense of humor sometimes).  I swear i think i saw tumbleweeds in that car place it was so deserted.  Clearly this was artificially moving what would have been 4th quarter purchases into 3Q.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dustin its even worse than you imagine.  Do you know how much the program cost, per car?</p>
<p>$24,000.</p>
<p>That is right, it cost $24K per car to give out about $4.5K.</p>
<p>Add that to the fact that this was in essence a destruction of wealth program and you can see how nuts it is.  We are literally a poorer nation because of this program.</p>
<p>And the whole thing was ridiculous.  my wife&#8217;s car got terrible mileage but it was not eligible, and mine got great mileage but it was.  huh?  And because then both of our cars were totalled (long, bad story), we literally had to shop for car the day after it all ended (yes, my life is proof that God is real and has a cruel sense of humor sometimes).  I swear i think i saw tumbleweeds in that car place it was so deserted.  Clearly this was artificially moving what would have been 4th quarter purchases into 3Q.</p>
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		<title>By: gp</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the program paid $562,500 in rebates for vehicles that got worse mileage&quot;  My guess is that the program paid millions for trade-ins that didn&#039;t even exist.  How hard could it be for a dealer and buyer to collude on a sham trade-in, then split the rebate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the program paid $562,500 in rebates for vehicles that got worse mileage&#8221;  My guess is that the program paid millions for trade-ins that didn&#8217;t even exist.  How hard could it be for a dealer and buyer to collude on a sham trade-in, then split the rebate?</p>
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