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		<title>By: Not Being Snarky: &#8220;Biggest Loser&#8221; at the White House, WH Salad Recipe Included &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Being Snarky: &#8220;Biggest Loser&#8221; at the White House, WH Salad Recipe Included &#171; Frugal Café Blog Zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pontifications: The Biggest Loser (Updated): ABC’s Jake Tapper reveals the White House unintentionally hit on the perfect metaphor for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2009/11/03/the-biggest-loser/comment-page-2/#comment-576553</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr K said &quot;Did you even bother to read the article you linked to?&quot;

No need to be a dick.  I did read the article, which is kinda obvious since I summarized it accurately.

This seat was not republican in the 1990s.  Period.  Are you denying that somehow?  The redistricting has occurred as you said (which I said first (did you bother to read my comment?), but the area is not reliably republican.  I realize that the TV has to make this into something historic, and made some grandiose claim about how this was a GOP stronghold, but it wasn&#039;t.  

Democrats support the military in rural areas.  You didn&#039;t  know that?  Owens is currently in military reserves, even.

This district has an index of GOP +1.  In other words, it&#039;s split in the middle.  

AD is right that a moderate won in a moderate district, but I disagree that this is an indication that the voters have moved at all.  This election had too much static in every direction to know exactly where the voters are on conservatism.  The Republicans claimed Republican Hoffman had no integrity and attacked him viciously, and that kind of attack does a lot of damage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr K said &#8220;Did you even bother to read the article you linked to?&#8221;</p>
<p>No need to be a dick.  I did read the article, which is kinda obvious since I summarized it accurately.</p>
<p>This seat was not republican in the 1990s.  Period.  Are you denying that somehow?  The redistricting has occurred as you said (which I said first (did you bother to read my comment?), but the area is not reliably republican.  I realize that the TV has to make this into something historic, and made some grandiose claim about how this was a GOP stronghold, but it wasn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>Democrats support the military in rural areas.  You didn&#8217;t  know that?  Owens is currently in military reserves, even.</p>
<p>This district has an index of GOP +1.  In other words, it&#8217;s split in the middle.  </p>
<p>AD is right that a moderate won in a moderate district, but I disagree that this is an indication that the voters have moved at all.  This election had too much static in every direction to know exactly where the voters are on conservatism.  The Republicans claimed Republican Hoffman had no integrity and attacked him viciously, and that kind of attack does a lot of damage.</p>
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		<title>By: AD - RtR/OS!</title>
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		<dc:creator>AD - RtR/OS!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Comment by BarSinister — 11/4/2009 @ 10:03 am&lt;/i&gt;

It could be argued that NY-23 was, in the end, a contest between a conservative and a moderate, and the moderate won - 
it is arguably true that both of these men espoused policies to the right of Dede.
In the end, we could just find that Owens (D) is just slightly to the right of the man he is replacing (McHugh-R) in the House.
If that is the case, it would seem that NY-23 has moved slightly:  
From Center-Left to Center-Right with a slightly imperceptable degree of separation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Comment by BarSinister — 11/4/2009 @ 10:03 am</i></p>
<p>It could be argued that NY-23 was, in the end, a contest between a conservative and a moderate, and the moderate won &#8211;<br />
it is arguably true that both of these men espoused policies to the right of Dede.<br />
In the end, we could just find that Owens (D) is just slightly to the right of the man he is replacing (McHugh-R) in the House.<br />
If that is the case, it would seem that NY-23 has moved slightly:<br />
From Center-Left to Center-Right with a slightly imperceptable degree of separation.</p>
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		<title>By: ropelight</title>
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		<dc:creator>ropelight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest losers last night were Obama&#039;s starry eyed, true believing, potted plants, who today blindly squander what&#039;s left of their compromised integrity attempting to pretend Humpty Dumpty can be put back together again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest losers last night were Obama&#8217;s starry eyed, true believing, potted plants, who today blindly squander what&#8217;s left of their compromised integrity attempting to pretend Humpty Dumpty can be put back together again.</p>
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		<title>By: BarSinister</title>
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		<dc:creator>BarSinister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when does the term &quot;moderate&quot; refer to the likes of Dede Scoffaluzza? I know several democrats who are more conservative than she is. Our two party system encourages coalitions, but there is a limit somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when does the term &#8220;moderate&#8221; refer to the likes of Dede Scoffaluzza? I know several democrats who are more conservative than she is. Our two party system encourages coalitions, but there is a limit somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In a blow to the White House, the Senate’s top Democrat signaled Tuesday that Congress may fail to meet a year-end deadline for passing health care legislation, leaving the measure’s fate to the uncertainties of the 2010 election season&lt;/i&gt;.

&quot;...then Senator Reid immediately bent over and asked &#039;sir, may I have another?&#039; &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In a blow to the White House, the Senate’s top Democrat signaled Tuesday that Congress may fail to meet a year-end deadline for passing health care legislation, leaving the measure’s fate to the uncertainties of the 2010 election season</i>.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;then Senator Reid immediately bent over and asked &#8217;sir, may I have another?&#8217; &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: A.W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry

I believe he wasn&#039;t watching, but i also believe that he knew percisely what was happening.  But who wants to watch themselves get pwned for hours on end?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry</p>
<p>I believe he wasn&#8217;t watching, but i also believe that he knew percisely what was happening.  But who wants to watch themselves get pwned for hours on end?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>59th!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>59th!</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Sheldon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Sheldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw somewhere that Obama wasn&#039;t much interested in the elections, was going to watch a basketball game.

Nero  did something like that when Rome burned, didn&#039;t he?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw somewhere that Obama wasn&#8217;t much interested in the elections, was going to watch a basketball game.</p>
<p>Nero  did something like that when Rome burned, didn&#8217;t he?</p>
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		<title>By: HeavenSent</title>
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		<dc:creator>HeavenSent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republican party learned a valuable lesson in NY23 -- pick f&#039;ing Conservatives. While I appreciate the whole &quot;all politics local&quot; the fact is money is not.

A Republican Candidate in New York needs that $250 from the Oklahoma Minister that goes to the RNC .... and fact is PASSIONATE FUND RAISERS ARE CONSERVATIVE.

Cocktail Republicans need to go way of the dinosaur in terms of Party leadership. They inspire nothing with their &quot;Compassionate Conservatism&quot; and other childish nonsense which masks for Moderate Democrat.

Conservatives need to use Moderates to win seats not the other way around. Once these moderates caucus Republican then you can present Conservative Laws and Agendas.

That to me is Rahm&#039;s lesson, Liberal Democrats used Moderates to win seats and get a majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republican party learned a valuable lesson in NY23 &#8212; pick f&#8217;ing Conservatives. While I appreciate the whole &#8220;all politics local&#8221; the fact is money is not.</p>
<p>A Republican Candidate in New York needs that $250 from the Oklahoma Minister that goes to the RNC &#8230;. and fact is PASSIONATE FUND RAISERS ARE CONSERVATIVE.</p>
<p>Cocktail Republicans need to go way of the dinosaur in terms of Party leadership. They inspire nothing with their &#8220;Compassionate Conservatism&#8221; and other childish nonsense which masks for Moderate Democrat.</p>
<p>Conservatives need to use Moderates to win seats not the other way around. Once these moderates caucus Republican then you can present Conservative Laws and Agendas.</p>
<p>That to me is Rahm&#8217;s lesson, Liberal Democrats used Moderates to win seats and get a majority.</p>
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