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10/22/2009

Obama’s War on Fox News Escalates . . . And Other News Organizations Fight Back

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:56 pm



Via Hot Air, this video says it all:

First Tapper fought back, now other media organizations are fighting back as well. Good for them.

P.S. Who else tries to control media coverage of his presidency? Oh, yeah . . . this guy:

UPDATE: An interesting footnote: at that little gathering of liberal pundits mentioned by DRJ earlier, guess what Obama whined about?

Fox News.

Wow. They’re really getting to him.

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129 Responses to “Obama’s War on Fox News Escalates . . . And Other News Organizations Fight Back”

  1. Looks like that Change is going to be toward a Banana Republic.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  2. I don’t think this is a case of the other media standing up for FOX. I think they did it to avoid the ridicule of an indefensible position that would have ensued.

    Pat…sorry…but I gotta ask this. Still think Obama is a good guy?

    beedubya (46b990)

  3. I agree that Fox News is getting to Obama and his Administration. I wonder what they’ll try the next time? Of course, I’m glad other media organizations finally drew the line but I doubt they will always show this kind of solidarity.

    What really intrigues me is the Obama Administration thought this might succeed. I can see why Obama and his cronies think the Washington media will defer to his wishes — they usually do — but it says a lot more about how Obama views himself and his authority. As Patterico suggests, I think it shows he’s willing to act like Hugo Chavez. I also think it shows he’s more devious than Hugo Chavez.

    DRJ (dff2ca)

  4. Pat…sorry…but I gotta ask this. Still think Obama is a good guy?

    Find and quote the full context of what you’re referring to and we’ll discuss it.

    Patterico (64318f)

  5. Geez, beedubya, grow up.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  6. This story is going to get bigger, and bigger, and bigger……

    jimboster (fe0b27)

  7. Whenever I mused about the United States becoming a Banana Republic under the likes of Obama, a tiny bit of me felt that was, yea, a tongue-in-cheek assessment, a bit of hyperbole. Now the guy in the White House is turning out not just as bad as I suspected he’d be, he’s turning out worse.

    As a former close advisor of Obama once proclaimed, “Goddamn America.”

    Mark (411533)

  8. Dear President Obama,

    With all due respect – We have recieved your letter complaining of your electric stove burning your hands. After careful review we have determined that the burning will stop if you refrain from placing it on the red hot heating elements.

    Very Truely Yours

    The Bloody Obvious

    EricPWJohnson (57a872)

  9. The little president man is defiling even the most pedestrian conception of our little country.

    We’re better than this.

    happyfeet (f62c43)

  10. It’s interesting about Obama and the media: in today’s attempt to shut out Fox, Obama appeared desperate and not the least bit confident and sure of his own magic. His cloddish manipulations and attempts to put everyone under his thumb are evidence of an extremely insecure person who cannot accept anyone doubting him. There is an air of childish snottiness about him as he refuses to accept that a single entity like Fox refuses to give fealty even though all the usual suspects NYT, WaPo, etc., have. Simply unacceptable so he continues to attempt to punish them.

    I think the media got a much clearer picture of his power mongering today, more than ever before, as they got a serious look behind the curtain. Perhaps a flash point for them…

    Dana (863a65)

  11. It looks like the press woke up a little bit: if they let this administration pull this kind of juvenile, thin-skinned nonsense, then what would happen when a President with an R after her or his name came on the scene? Precedent, set.

    Smart move, MSM. Smart move.

    Eric Blair (dd11cc)

  12. And to quote someone else, under different circumstances:

    “For the first time in my life, I am proud of my MSM…”

    Eric Blair (dd11cc)

  13. Dana, just wait until his college transcripts are released!

    Eric Blair (dd11cc)

  14. I, too, am glad that the MSM rallied around Fox and refused to allow them to be excluded. I wish, however, that they were singing it out from the rooftops a little louder, so that the Great American public will get a clue and see what is being attempted by the little man. Maybe that day is coming. We can but hope…

    Gazzer (22ecdc)

  15. But, don’t worry, he’s not losing sleep over Fox.

    Nosiree.

    Techie (482700)

  16. Baby steps, Gazzer, baby steps.

    Dana (863a65)

  17. Louie Faroutandgone says the flu shots were developed to kill people. Does that mean a radical Islamist/Democrat (no difference) is saying the democrats aren’t satisfied with murdering millions of babies per year so they are coming for you and your children. President O’Dumbo makes Hitler look like a punk.

    Scrapiron (996c34)

  18. No class. It’s a problem. But I think y’all are wrong if you think the little president man wasn’t allowed to set a precedent. He has set his office squarely against free speech. With no detrimental consequence to his Chicago street trash self. We are less than we were but a fortnight ago.

    hf (9bda9c)

  19. beedubya didn’t stick around for the answer.

    I think he’s one of the Birthers, so it may not be a surprise that he doesn’t want to debate.

    Patterico (64318f)

  20. Gee, I remember some of those Birther threads going over 300 comments, easy.

    Official Internet Data Office (203a2f)

  21. “I don’t think this is a case of the other media standing up for FOX.”

    beedubya – I disagree. I think the others would love to see Fox smashed but were worried about the obvious retaliation to come in a future administration.

    Go figure.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  22. daleyrocks,

    You mean you agree, not disagree, I think.

    Patterico (64318f)

  23. Patterico – They are standing up out of self-interest, not principle.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  24. There’s one thing you don’t mess with in dealing with the broadcast news media: Ego.

    So, first, forget the twelve lap-dog disciples invited for their hug-fest at the White House. They’re easily led by the nose, because their game isn’t news, their game is being part of the “ones who know.” I’m not talking about them.

    I’m talking about the guys who want to be the next Cronkite or Brinkley or Murrow (Olbermann doesn’t count because he’s — well — Olbermann. If he wanted to be taken seriously, he would get off his fat butt and do some reporting instead of regurgitating Kos talking points).

    I don’t know if the White House realized just how important ego is to most journalists. And, although, we joke about how dumb MSM journalists are, they are laser-attuned to their own appearance as the arbiters of right and wrong.

    And, they knew, long before Bret Hume stated it on Fox News, that they were being patronized by the White House.

    The news business is very competitive and very insular and very incestuous. And when you set them up to be the “good boys” who will go along with what you want with a pat on the head, they don’t like it.

    Although they are often fools, they don’t appreciate being treated as fools by the ones they are foolish for.

    Tapper and Thomas were the first with the push-back. Expect more.

    Ag80 (2a7a2a)

  25. So the guy is a control freak .. with heavy emphasis on the freak.

    Neo (7830e6)

  26. Patterico followers, I challenge you to go to DU, and peruse a Chavez thread. They love him, and want us to emulate his country’s politics. It is not sarcasm, they are dead serious.
    I say peruse, as I got banned after 4 posts, *snicker*, but, I can still see the madness.

    sybilll (a0a507)

  27. Seeing this Axelrod quote from last weekend makes me believe even more that the Administration is afraid of Fox News, its impact on opinion polls, and what could happen if the rest of the media joins in:

    “This is a discussion that probably had to be had about their approach to things,” Mr. Axelrod said. “Our concern is other media not follow their lead.”

    DRJ (dff2ca)

  28. Memo to POTUS and staff:

    Strategy- brilliant.

    First it was painting Limbaugh leader of the GOP. Sucker bait there and they ran with it, complete with public apologies from elected officials. He was happy with the attention and ratings boost and you were pleased jousting with a faux party leader. Just brilliant. Now tagging Fox with the ‘not necessarily the news’ organization label. Well played, sir. Like pasting a ‘kick me’ sign on Beck’s back. You couldn’t do any better if you sprayed Hannity and O’Reilly silver, inflated ’em with helium instead of ego, and set them loose in the skies over Colorado. So easy to distract the media with themselves, isn’t it.

    Ever defensive and complaining, the thin-skinned actors playing pundits on Faux News sets whine that you’ve labeled them as ‘not a real news organization’– which puts them in a league with ‘Fundits’ Jon Stewart’s ‘Daily Show’ and Stephen Colbert’s ‘Colbert Report’… both hugely popular information sources in the most sought after demographic. You’d think they’d be grateful for the ‘Colbert bump’ in ratings and — credibility. It’s hard not to laugh at them, isn’t it.

    Quaint baby photo- can’t tell if it’s John Bolton or Dick Cheney.

    And on a sad note, Soupy Sales passed away tonight in New York. Sales was a comic who calculated the true value of ‘pie’– laughter.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  29. Ag80,

    Obama is already treating most of the media organizations like his puppets and they know it. After supporting Obama so enthusiastically, they will look like fools if they attack him now. At this point, won’t most in the media do whatever they can to make their original support of Obama appear justified?

    DRJ (dff2ca)

  30. … and DCSCA proves my point: Obama supporters will do whatever they can to make their support look brilliant.

    DRJ (dff2ca)

  31. DCSCA, was that really you or a parody ?

    Mike K (addb13)

  32. No one is going to buy that there’s something uniquely contemptible about Fox News as opposed to any other journalism in America. Our little country’s journalism is wretched and all the people what are giving the little president man the greatest drop in approval polling in fifty years are making a statement, and it’s a statement about the disparity between the botched and inept journalism what sold them the bestest pezzydent ever and the inept hateful twerp what lords himself over our little country like a Hugo Chavez mini me.

    happyfeet (f62c43)

  33. I still have yet to read what it is exactly that makes Fox not a real news organization and what makes MSNBC a real one? DCSCA?

    Dana (863a65)

  34. The not “necessarily the news” network is beating
    the hell out of MSNBC and CNN, so there’s that.
    Colbert and Stewart are still given too much credibility by the younger set.These tactics do resemble Chavez’s moves against Globo TV,

    bishop (996c34)

  35. Comment by Ag80 — 10/22/2009 @ 9:19 pm

    Add Ruth Marcus, WaPo, to the push-back list. She reminded us this week of President Obama’s own words back in a February interview,

    “I don’t always get my most favorable coverage on Fox, but I think that’s part of how democracy is supposed to work. You know, we’re not supposed to all be in lock step here.

    Dana (863a65)

  36. DCSCA:

    Oh dear. When you have a rash, apply the proper ointment.

    I hope your family problems reconcile to the best of all concerned.

    Sincerely,

    Debby

    Ag80 (2a7a2a)

  37. President Obama:

    Please, listen to DCSCA.

    Please.

    More wars on Fox News.

    Pretty please.

    You can see I’m asking nicely here. So please do what I say when I ask nicely. Otherwise why should I bother?

    MORE WARS ON FOX NEWS!!!

    Patterico (64318f)

  38. I’m not applauding anyone just for cause they pulled their head out of their ass.

    Assaulting free speech is bad. Der. And if a geriatric journalist hoochie like Marcus didn’t know that then we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. It would be baseless.

    happyfeet (f62c43)

  39. happy, you have higher expectations that I do.

    Dana (863a65)

  40. Dana I think what that quote evinces more than anything else is that the dirty socialist little puppet is just playing his little part in his handlers’ communications plan. You can’t square that quote with his new and improved sentiments about about Fox.

    He’s not a president he’s an ad campaign. It’s very, very scary.

    happyfeet (f62c43)

  41. DRJ said:

    Obama is already treating most of the media organizations like his puppets and they know it. After supporting Obama so enthusiastically, they will look like fools if they attack him now. At this point, won’t most in the media do whatever they can to make their original support of Obama appear justified?

    They will to a certain extent. But look at it like this: the Washington press corp is a working group. They know each other very well. Tapper knows Garrett knows Thomas, etc, etc. They work together and help each other within certain constraints. Essentially, they’re colleagues.

    Now, think about how most working groups act and react when a member is threatened.

    Although I know that sounds condescending, I really don’t mean that.

    Most people don’t think of the MSM as people like you see at the grocery store. But they are, except with a lot bigger egos than you or I.

    They’ll stick together until their bosses tell them not to.

    When you’re talking about the biases of the working press, sometimes you have to look beyond the individual, and instead look to the ones pulling the strings.

    I almost put this point in my earlier post, but I am extremely guilty of being long-winded. As I am, again.

    Ag80 (2a7a2a)

  42. Where did the Fringe (former MSM) Media find so many people without pride in self. They have whored themselves to the democrats for years and now like good little slaves they must do as Master O’Dumbo tell them. I’ll bet O’Dumbo’s brag that republicans are easy to lead and do as they’re told backfires on him big time. Any republican who votes Ya on any of his bills is admitting they enjoy slavery to the Master. He left them no out.

    Scrapiron (996c34)

  43. I agree, happy, he’s still in the back pocket and does their bidding and yet when he makes statements like the quote above and escalates a war on a media outlet, his hypocrisy becomes even more apparent.

    It is scary but he’s not the one at the top of the food chain.

    Dana (863a65)

  44. Obama’s problem is that too many stories from the right and coverage picked up by Fox News and ignored by the liberal media have hit too close to home. ACORN, Van Jones, the Safe School Czar, Holdren, Death Panels, and the Tea Parties were devastating. The CBO has exploded his lies about ObamaCare repeatedly and they have not debunked the recent PwC study. If he and his cronies could actually point to lies and fabrications, Owebama might have a case yo make, but even the WaPo and NY Times have admitted they were late picking up stories.

    With this campaign, he just sounds thin skinned and vindictive.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  45. #33- Dana, read your own post. It’s working. The actors on Faux News sets have been on the defensive for the better part of a week.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  46. #37- War on Fox not Necessarily the News… catchy. Entertaining, too. Like O’Reilly’s ‘War on Christmas’… Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer will be outted as a commie this season for sure.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  47. DCSCA, you didn’t answer the question: What makes Fox not a real news outlet and MSNBC and others, real? Because I just keep hearing blah, blah, Faux Fox, blah, blah, blah, but nothing substantial and definitive.

    Dana (863a65)

  48. Dana, you have to understand that the sun is over the yardarm in this person’s world. It’s just more game playing, and what I suspect is a certain degree of chemical self-medication.

    Eric Blair (dd11cc)

  49. Oh, and Dogcrap, why did the “real” news outlets stand up to Teh Won and tell him “no dice” on banning Fox? Since that is the thread header. Are you a “Helen Keller” partisan or just a contrarian?

    Remember your old job at CBS? They backed up Fox.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  50. EB, no doubt dogcrap likes him some herbs.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  51. DCSCA:

    My word! Sometimes echolalia can indicate an underlying problem.

    Better safe than sorry!

    Sincerely,

    Debby

    Ag80 (2a7a2a)

  52. #47- Read both your own posts. It’s still working. Successfully mainstreaming the questionable credibility of Fox as a news organization from the trenches around the Bully Pulpit seems quite irritating to the ‘nattering nabobs’ of the right at News Corp.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  53. DCSCA, I am retiring for the evening but will check back tomorrow to see if you have actually answered the question. Not blah, blah, blah, but an original, well thought out substantial answer. (What makes Fox not a real news outlet and MSNBC and others, real?)

    Dana (863a65)

  54. DCSCA:

    Sometimes taking a shower helps. If not, just fix a warm bowl of chicken soup.

    Sincerely,

    Debby

    Ag80 (2a7a2a)

  55. #53- Dana, if you are a confident conservative, there’s no reason to ask that question in the first place, unless you feel the White House has sucessfully ‘pinned the tale on the Foxy.’

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  56. He’s not a president he’s an ad campaign.

    Brilliant distillation. I’m stealing this line for work tmo :)

    Angelo (5df281)

  57. DCSCA:

    Sometimes knitting does work. Cross-stitch, though requires attention.

    Does that help?

    Sincerely,

    Debby

    Ag80 (2a7a2a)

  58. Indulge me, DCSCA. Answer Dana’s question. (What makes Fox not a real news outlet and MSNBC and others, real?)

    DRJ (dff2ca)

  59. Unless he is composing an epic tome as we speak, he won’t answer DRJ

    Angelo (5df281)

  60. Maybe, but he’s had several polite requests and he really should answer.

    DRJ (dff2ca)

  61. Selective courtesy, and selective memory are obligatory traits in his club

    Angelo (5df281)

  62. #58- DRJ- see #55. Simply asking the question indicates to me their strategy is working. A confident conservative would have dismissed any effort by the WH to ‘pin the tale on the Foxy’ days ago.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  63. #62

    See, dismissal.

    It has nothing to do with lack of confidence, its a simple question seeking a simple answer ref your perspective, and why you think the statement is true. No more, no less…..no guile

    Angelo (5df281)

  64. DCSCA,

    Your refusal to answer a simple question indicates to me you have no answer or you would have provided it already.

    DRJ (dff2ca)

  65. Heck, this is nothing new. Remember “…pitch perfect…” and “…let it land…“? That worked out well, as I recall.

    There is a laundry list of bizarre and untenable statements and predictions from the poster.

    The guy has nothing to say. He is just snarking, and thinks he sounds clever with really quite juvenile word play. And I really do suspect a certain amount of chemical modification. I mean, look at the tone of the posts.

    Just a game, again. And this from a person who has claimed (though I have my doubts) to have been important in journalism, watching the Executive Branch play quite thin-skinned and undignified games with the press.

    Yep. Just games.

    Eric Blair (dd11cc)

  66. Eric…..yep

    Angelo (5df281)

  67. A confident conservative would have dismissed any effort by the WH to ‘pin the tale on the Foxy’ days ago.

    A confident conservative actually is looking with wonder or amazement at what a whack job the guy in the White House truly is. That he’s more ideologically corrupt and ethically screwed up than even assumed before and around last November. (Of course, as a typical liberal, if not ultra-liberal, I’m sure the phony and fool in the White House looks into his heart and believes his compassion and humanity are as pure as gold.)

    I always suspected he’d “goddamn America,” but I wasn’t sure to the exact degree—eg, along the way he’s even goddamned a country like Honduras. If things stay true to current form, it may reach a point of 3rd degree, as in 3rd-degree burn, as in burn, baby, burn.

    Mark (411533)

  68. More and more we are being educated as to what “Change” really means in the context of the Obama administration. The president of the United States targeting individual citizens and attacking them for expressing their views. Openly attempting to deligitimize new organizations outside the “acceptable” range of opinions. Actively seeking to impose more and more governmnt control of private enterprise. Openly deliberately seeking to bankrupt and dismantle the energy production capability of this country, with the incumbent loss of many thousands of jobs. Actively alilenating long-standing allies.

    That’s definitely change. However, change for the sake of change is not always good.

    It’s good to see some people are starting to wake up to what’s really going on.

    Steve B (5eacf6)

  69. #63- See #28. The point is not whether I think it’s true, the point is that conservatives have spent days even considering the validity of the WH’s assertion in the first place. The WH has essentially ‘swiftboated’ Fox News with a variation of the ‘when did you stop beating your wife question’- ‘Fox News, when did you stop being a news network, or were you ever one in the first place…’ And they’ve been on the defensive for days.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  70. Speaking of being on the defensive….

    Eric Blair (dd11cc)

  71. In a way, it is kind of like how everyone doubts all of DCSCA’s silly and contradictory stories, his weird statements, and basic inability to respond to polite questions.

    But this is The Cycle where the guy is concerned. He owns a fleet of antique jeeps, as I recall.

    Eric Blair (dd11cc)

  72. #64- DRJ- you answered the question yourself- there is no answer to it -it’s a purposed distraction that is working. Does Fox operate any less a news organization than CBN, CNN or National Enquirer… or the WSJ… or the NYT or ABC, NBC or CBS… and so on. It’s a strategy and the WH played it surprisingly well. The very mainstreaming of any distracting seed of doubt on the validity of Fox operating a news/opinion organization is a very clever ploy. Just as it was tagging Limbaugh head of the GOP was for half the year. The media loves talking about itself, especially if it draws an audience, which this sizzle does. Why bother to elevate, validate and engage McConnell or Boehner in policy debate when you can joust with incendiary talk show hosts and challenge opinion cablers. They don’t legislate, can inflame some independents and moderates and drive them away from considering your opponent’s positions. Of course, if any of this was injuring Fox where it really hurts- the bottom line, they’d put the fire out fast– but it’s not. The ‘hurt bird’ routine banners their opinion shows and ratings are up. Or just see #28. My personal assessment of Fox News hasn’t changed in years regardless of how the WH assesses it.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  73. DCSCA…(trite acronym, btw)….why don’t you just engage? You are a dancer; a trivial dilettante who seeks to define the modus operandi of debate. You either are too stupid to comprehend the significance of the attack on the bastion of free press, heretofore, in good standing, licenced to broadcast by the Federal Gov’t and now attacked by the Federal Gov’t for no other reason that it disagrees with the Federal Gov’t’s current policies and mode of operation; or you are, in fact, a traitor to the principles of the fundamental precepts of the United States of America.

    Angelo (5df281)

  74. This, to me goes beyond one’s personal political stance….if a Conservative group(my side) occupied the White House and said White House directly and actively attacked a particular news group, I would be just as appalled. Any party that engages to quash dissent is an anathema

    Angelo (5df281)

  75. #69 – DCSCA

    “And they’ve been on the defensive for days.”

    — Defending one’s honor is not the same as ‘being defensive’. Someone who is being defensive says “What do you think you know?” in an attempt to find out how much trouble they are in. Someone who is defending their honor says “You know nothing, because there’s nothing to know.” And in this case they’re right. The WH knows nothing, which is why they’re trying to create something out of nothing for their own benefit; FOX is merely pointing out that fact.

    Icy Texan (43c637)

  76. Angelo, welcome to the Wonderful World of DCSCA. Pretty soon he will regale you with improbable and contradictory stories of his Walter Mitty like life among the Rich and Powerful. And amusingly call any critique you make of him “condescending” (while adopting a condescending tone of his own, naturally).

    What I like best about the person is the bizarre projection he displays, seemingly unaware of his own reflection in his critiques. Such as:

    “…it’s a purposed distraction…”

    Which DCSCA has himself been doing in this thread, distracting away from the unseemly power grab and unprofessional and undignified behavior of the Oval Office.

    “…Just as it was tagging Limbaugh head of the GOP was for half the year…”

    Considering this character was himself calling RL “Boss Limbaugh” for many weeks, this is laughable. Or he doesn’t remember what he posts from day to day.

    “The media loves talking about itself…”

    Yup, and not just “the media.” Plenty of evidence of this one in the fellow’s prior posts of his association with Limbaugh himself, with Werner von Braun, debating the policies of Margaret Thatcher (when he was about twelve), playing soccer at the American Embassy in Moscow as a boy, hawking “The Beatles are Breaking Up” newspapers for, as he put it, “quite a few quid.” I’ll leave out his implication he has been involved with the NSA in assassination squads in Libya. Or his multiple homes in New Jersey. Or his fleet of collector Jeeps.

    So just watch his posts. You’ll see what I mean. He just can’t help but be hopelessly partisan…while accusing other people of being partisan.

    Eric Blair (dd11cc)

  77. Your very act of asking my reasons for my declaration of fact proves my declaration of fact is indeed factual. Or haven’t you gotten to logic class after your naptime in kindergarten yet?

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  78. Jeez he is such a putz

    Angelo (5df281)

  79. It is rather telling that dogcrap went to a thread where ABC, CBS (where he supposedly had another career), CNN, NBC smacked BHO around till BHO relented. And dogcrap decided to double-down on stupid and claim BHO did such great wonders that smart people are worshipping BHO now.

    That takes a lot of duhhhhh to do.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  80. DCSCA

    This isn’t a game to me. I have children, and I am a serious father, concerned about their future. I have no problems debating with sincere liberals, however I loathe gamers

    Angelo (5df281)

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  84. Just two simple questions:

    If it’s working so damn well, why are President Icarus’ numbers falling? And Fox News’ rising?

    The American people may be many things, but contrary to your worldview, they are not stupid.

    They largely believe in a basic fairness, and the one following it are moving away from Icarus.

    Dr. K (eca563)

  85. I recently traveled through China for 3 weeks. While I was watching their English language news I was particularly struck by their reporting of all the wonderful things the government was doing for Xinjiang province, and how terrible it was that there were a few separatists there who forced the government to respond.

    This was after spending 1 week in Tibet and seeing the constant presence of military carrying large guns through the city for blatant intimidation.

    What really struck me about the news reports was how much it reminded me of Fox. They reported the facts from only one side of the story. Then in case that wasn’t enough, they told you what to conclude.

    That’s why Fox isn’t a real news organization. A real news organization would provide facts about both sides of the issue.

    jcm52 (134a1c)

  86. All IMP does is restate his prior idiocy, and cite it as proof of his idiocy. This has nothing to do with principles for clowns like DSCSA. It is about tactics towards its perceived ends. In pursuit of power for Teh One, IMP does not care what Barcky does. Period. Does not care. Which is rich since he claimed to be a JournoList @ SeeBS previously.

    JD (e738c0)

  87. jcm52:

    Having lived in China for a year, you quickly learn that CCTV9 (as well as all domestic stations) are run by the chinese Central Committee – hence the “CC” in “CCTV”.

    It is a state owned, state run, party organ.

    You don’t like Fox because it does not toe the DNC (and Icarus) party line.

    You should learn the difference between the state owned media in Chain versus the state-coopted media here in the US.

    If it hurts your little feelings, then perhaps they are bringing something to light that needs to be seen by an informed populace.

    Dr. K (eca563)

  88. Jcm – What does Fox do differently than CNN, MSNBC, NBC, etal ?

    JD (e738c0)

  89. #85, I almost tossed my Cheerios!

    Black is white and white is black. FNC is like CCTV and MSNBC/NBC/CNN aren’t??????

    Oy vey!

    HeavenSent (01a566)

  90. FNC is unlike any other State Controlled Media or State Owned Media because …. (drum roll) …. they are reporting bad things about the Government!

    NBC/CNN/ABC/CNN are much closer to CCTV because they sit around agreeing with everything this Government does and has admitted to “doing everything it can to help this Administration succeed.”

    Small things make big difference.

    HeavenSent (01a566)

  91. jcm52:

    If you couldn’t figure out the relationship between CCTV and the Chinese government, you should really look into getting a tuition refund.

    Dr. K (eca563)

  92. DCSCA, I have to leave for work now but I see that you still have not answered the question. You’ve talked circles and thrown out little pieces of rhetoric but have not answered the question.

    And no, it’s not The point is not whether I think it’s true, it’s explaining what makes Fox not a real news outlet, and the other ones, *real*. You are quick to take a side and do the blah, blah, blah, but you give no reasons, or evidence. So many are little lemmings jumping on the bandwagon with no sound reasoning for their assessment.

    And it occurs to me, in order for you to make an accurate, knowledgeable comparison and analysis would require you to have actually watched shows on Fox (and or read through transcripts). Therfore, tell which shows you have watched.

    I’ll check back after work. That will give you time to consider it again.

    Dana (863a65)

  93. Dana – “consider it again” ? It never considered it the first time around. Pin the tail on the foxy was the extent of its “analysis”.

    JD (783baa)

  94. Dogcrap need a pie in his face daily. That is all it is good for.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  95. Dana, I admire how you try to engage the person. But it is all about Teh Narrative. You were hopeful, due to some thoughtful posts recently, that the fellow was acting in good faith.

    But honestly! Making critical comments about the making Rush Limbaugh the “leader” of the GOP, from a guy who repeatedly tried to label RL “Boss Limbaugh”?

    It’s just a game to him.

    Eric Blair (dd11cc)

  96. Dana gets the annual Sisyphus award for attempting to actually engage with the Von Braun/TrollBot2000.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  97. Dana – Well last night a guest on Fox (a Congressman even!) was speaking of the Vice President and stated that it was hard to understand him because of the blood that was always dripping from his teeth. And asked if after his speech he just turned into a bat and flew away. Not, IMHO, a way a serious commentator should speak of a Vice president.

    Oh sorry; that happened on MSNBC, which is a real news network. (Speaking of Cheney.)

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  98. jcm52 – When Fox has an outside person in to comment on an issue they almost always have one right and one left. If you only see a conservative viewpoint it is because you are unused to seeing any conservative thought on any other network.

    Question – Are their more conservatives at CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC than there are liberals at Fox? Or vice versa?

    As to opinion shows, Hannity (as an example) almost always has liberals on his panel. (Myself, I am getting tired of watching Bob Beckel spin.) How many conservatives have appeared on Olberman?

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  99. I wish someone would tell the president to start acting, well, presidential–this whining about Fox News makes him look like a kid on the playground.

    Rochf (ae9c58)

  100. As far as Fox goes, I have a story I tell about my favorite episode of Hannity and Colmes. One of the democratic partisans invited on the show accused Hannity of bias just like Fox News is accused of bias. And Hannity said, “What do you mean, bias? Colmes brings on a democrat and gets to question him for two minutes, then I get to rebut for one minute. Then I bring on a republican for two minutes, and Colmes gets to rebut for one minute. It’s timed down to the second, my producer is right there with a stopwatch and he cuts us off if we go too long. What’s not fair about that?” And the next day I had a stopwatch handy and I timed it, and it was indeed down to the second.

    Fox achieves balance specifically by timing. If they have a partisan on one side, they have a partisan on the other. If anyone thinks that Geraldo and Greta Van Susteren are right-wing, they are sadly mistaken, but they have shows on Fox News. I don’t know what opportunities Colmes left to pursue, but I recall he did at least one Fox special, so it seems that they are happy enough to work with him (as any company would be with a faithful employee.)

    luagha (5cbe06)

  101. […] NYT: Obama whined about Fox News at off-the-record briefing with lefty pundits The mark of ‘a real man’ when he’s taken to task for his beliefs is to ‘man up’ and go on about his business. (Never ever let the bastards know they got to you) Whining like a kicked puppy is what 8-10 year olds do and the current ‘Faux POTUS’ has whining down to a fine art. Also see this article Obama’s War on Fox News Escalates . . . And Other News Organizations Fight Back […]

    Today’s Tidbits (788229)

  102. #92- Dana, see #28 & #72. I encourage conservatives to keep questioning the validity of the WH assertion in the first placeat least until healthcare reform is passed.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  103. Hey, have you recently spoken to your past comrades on those secret assassination hit squads that you operated within Latin America?

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  104. IMP – The comments you refer to simply restate the asspulls you made before. Citing asspulls as evidence for said asspulls is one hell of a persuasive argument.

    JD (30371c)

  105. It’s the same old story, Dana. He likes to just repeat his earlier posts rather than respond to you. And they are ironically funny.

    Especially the part how “thin skinned” Fox News is supposed to be. Unlike the “pitch perfect” POTUS he so admires—and excuses at every turn.

    His measuring stick is Dali-esque. Which explains things in so many ways.

    Eric Blair (cc9718)

  106. “If they repeat this long enough,” said Fox News’ Bernie Goldberg on Monday [10/19/09], “and often enough — that Fox News is not a real news organization, it’s an arm of the national Republican Party, it’s not to be taken seriously — if they say that long enough, it might become part of bloodstream of the American culture.” – source- http://www.huffingtonpost.com 10/23/09

    Bernie! There’s still a little of those years at CBS News in you after all.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  107. So, IMP admits that SeeBS was a propoganda arm of the Dems?

    JD (30371c)

  108. Well, certainly DCSCA continues to repeat propaganda over and over again, hoping to cause damage.

    So far, not so much.

    I mean, he honestly doesn’t consider how much his critical comments toward others apply to his own personal style.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  109. Crissy Mathews just said “God damn” on the air referring to Cheney, and then went on a chickenhawk rant, while using David Corn as his leftist expert on national defense. Good Allah.

    JD (55b145)

  110. As Roger Simon asks, is the White House staff really this stupid ? I think they might be so infused with their own virtue that they fail to see how others are tiring of their constant demands for love from the rest of the legacy media.

    It’s like the woman who loves too much. There was a book with that title about 25 years ago. My ex-wife gave it to me in the last days of the death spiral of our marriage. What was amazing was that she was right there in the book. I’m sure she hadn’t read it. I did.

    Well, the Obama White House is in there too. It’s the woman who, after your first date, is calling six times a day and asking what you are doing. She’s rearranging your clothes and the kitchen of your apartment. She has an insatiable hunger for reassurance that she is the one and only until you begin to contemplate murder.

    The news media, even the legacy media, does not have an infinite patience for this obsessive need for demonstrations of love. Pretty soon, they’ll be dreaming of axe murders.

    Mike K (addb13)

  111. By the way, my ex is alive and healthy and married to a guy with much more money than I’ve ever seen. She’s told him that I thought she was crazy. I even operated on him a couple of times.

    Mike K (addb13)

  112. #92- Dana, see #28 & #72. I encourage conservatives to keep questioning the validity of the WH assertion in the first placeat least until healthcare reform is passed.
    Comment by DCSCA — 10/23/2009 @ 12:07 pm

    Heh. You’ve filled and confirmed my every expectation of you, DCSCA! You did not disappoint. You are obviously unable to substantiate or reason out your assumptions propaganda.

    I leave you with the Metaphor of the Lemming: Due to their association with this odd behavior, lemming suicide is a frequently-used metaphor in reference to people who go along unquestioningly with popular opinion, with potentially dangerous or fatal consequences.

    Dana (863a65)

  113. Mike K, #110,#111, I feel a tad guilty cracking up over these comments!

    Dana (863a65)

  114. Greetings (copied from another thread):

    Why waste your time asking for dcsca for any clarification?

    You know it will not address your points. Because it has no point.

    You know you can never change its mind. Because it has no mind.

    Sad little troll comes here to garner attention, and probably gets paid by the post. Every time it repeats the leftist meme du jour.

    I’ve dealt with its type before. Best to ignore it, because it feeds on the attention.

    And, while I realize that our host is loath to ban anyone except for “good cause”, I would submit that he ban it post haste. It has been banned in the past, it adds nothing to the discussion. I am confident that it will only be a matter of time until it “steps over the line again”.

    I am a defender of free speech when the speech has some merit. But its speech is empty speech. It is like a little child begging for attention by being an obnoxious ass. Its speech is empty, its speech has no value, its speech is only to provoke a reaction. Hell, its speech has devolved to the point of lacking even humor value.

    You will never get an answer from it.

    You are trying to educate the uneducable. You are debating the undebatable. You would have better luck trying to teach a pig to sing, and you know what they say about that.

    There is a theory, know as “Invincible Ignorance”. The theory is bascially that “the person in question simply refuses to believe the argument, ignoring any evidence given. It’s not so much a fallacious tactic in argument as it is a refusal to argue”. If we had a picture of the commenter, it would have appeared next to this quote.

    See: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07648a.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invincible_ignorance_fallacy

    Since the commenter has shown the unwillingness to debate in good faith and directly answer questions directly posed to it, its postings are unworthy of attention. Therefore, I propose that it simply be banned.

    That is my opinion, and I hope that Mr. P. gives it the attention the opinion is due.

    Dr. K (adb7ba)

  115. #112- See #106. Goldberg is correct.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  116. ^TrollBot 2000.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  117. How many times will it insist on proving our points for us?

    JD (61528e)

  118. Well, here is an example of more palatable nuttiness:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU-vNpmjfsI

    As for DCSCA, I think he is, well, a little bit disordered. I mean, look at the recent posts.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  119. DCSCA, you are still incoherent. See #115 and 106.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  120. I just watched MadCow, and her marching orders and talking points in re Fox seemed to be in order.

    Mathews was unhinged about Cheney tonite.

    JD (8bcc33)

  121. JD – It was good to see Media Matters go all-in on the anti-Fox meme today, just as a bunch of the MSM is rejecting it.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  122. Mathews is single handedly perpetuating birtherism.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  123. So it turns out that Fox News, Hot Air and Patterico are all misreporting this incident. Fox News was not intentionally shut out of the briefing with the treasury secretary. I’m sure we’ll be seeing corrections from all three. Patterico’s very committed to only printing the truth, right?

    hip (9d1bb3)

  124. This “hip” is a real piece of … It was not the Treas Second, douchenozzle, it was Feinberg, and they were specifically excluded. Or, are you just trying to push some after-the-fact justification? Were Tapper and all of the others wrong too?

    JD (3cdf9b)

  125. hip – So it turns out that you don’t even have your talking points straight. Revisit the blog you got them from and try again.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  126. JD – It was good to see Media Matters go all-in on the anti-Fox meme today, just as a bunch of the MSM is rejecting it.

    Media Matters is what Obama claims Fox News is.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

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