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10/14/2009

Rush Limbaugh Out in Bid to Buy Rams

Filed under: Politics,Sports — DRJ @ 11:26 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

Just hours before the announcement that Rush Limbaugh had dropped out of a group looking to buy the St. Louis Rams, the Radio Equalizer spotted an interview in which retired football player and Washington Post analyst Roman Oben explained why people oppose Limbaugh’s bid — because Limbaugh is anti-Obama:

“In a candid moment during today’s Al Sharpton radio show (probably not intended for the rest of us to hear), Oben admitted that Rush’s political views regarding Obama were key to the opposition that appears to have derailed his bid to purchase the St Louis Rams.”

The Radio Equalizer has more here and Oben expanded on his reasons in comments at the Washington Post. Here is the Oben interview:

Oben is a busy guy. He’s also the municipal Democratic chairman in Kinnelon, NJ, where his goal is to bring people together:

I’ve always been interested in the political process,” said Oben, who grew up in Washington, D.C., and did political internships with Reps. William Pascrell (D-N.J.) and Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio). “No different than playing in the NFL or college, I’ve always felt you should take on a challenge bigger than yourself, to test yourself.”
***
“Everyone knows the political dynamics of Morris County,” Oben said yesterday, conceding that Republicans rule. “But I’m not anti- Republican. I’m very pro getting people together for the things we all want — good schools, good police and fire protection, a good quality of life.”

He’s not anti-Republican. He’s just anti-Rush and all those Republican things Rush says.

— DRJ

345 Responses to “Rush Limbaugh Out in Bid to Buy Rams”

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  2. As they say, if a conservative doesn’t like the radio speaker, they change the station. If a liberal doesn’t like the radio speaker, they shut down the station.

    krusher (6f6e76)

  3. Liberals beware. You are abusing your power and privileges now, but payback is a mofo!

    PCD (4290e6)

  4. Another fascist Washington Post Obamawhore. We need trading cards.

    happyfeet (f62c43)

  5. Clarence Thomas, a good friend of Rush, was right.

    This was a high tech lynching where libs went on the internet, tv, radio and newspapers to lie about what Rush said and the weasel NFL fell for it. The only show I saw where these fake quotes were challenged was O’Reilly where he told Drew Sharp they could find no record of them. And Sharp just smiled.

    In St. Louis, the Board of Aldermen was going to vote on a resolution condemning Rush buying the Rams. The state legislature was going to do the same. Two sportswriters for the local rag used the slavery quote and have not retracted or apologized.

    The slime merchants have won and Sharpton and Jackson can go hunting for their next target.

    Johnny (3f9d29)

  6. Maybe it is time to start bringing out the fake, but accurate documents proving crimes committed by liberals?

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  7. It’s a free country. If the owners of the football team or league don’t want to sell it to a guy with a track record of insulting their employees, what in the world is wrong with that? Sounds like common sense to me.

    Rush’s comment about Donovan McNabb wasn’t nearly as racist as it was stupid. No one was surprised when McNabb himself demonstrated Rush’s idiocy by having a great season.

    What makes conservatives think that their opinions have to be respected, even when they are moronic?

    I doubt Rush is any more or less racist than your average human being, but I do think he’s more willing to make borderline racist comments as a sop to his angry white male fan base.

    American conservatives need to wake up and realize that while they are entitled to have an opinion, they aren’t entitled to respectability. You have to earn that, you don’t get a free pass for “ideological correctness.”

    I’d make the same point about Michael Moore, were he to put himself in a similar situation. While agree with much of Moore’s basic intent, I think he regularly makes uninformed, irrational comments that make him look stupid. If he wanted to buy a stake in an investment bank, for example, the bank would have every right to reject his offer on the basis of his political expressions alone.

    O'Grady (a85f1d)

  8. No one was surprised when McNabb himself demonstrated Rush’s idiocy by having a great season.

    People on ESPN make similar comments about whether players are overrated. Rush was taking a shot at the media pumping up McNabb because he is black. Much like what the media did with Obama.

    And really, borderline racist comments? I hear this all the time and the examples are either fake or taken way out of context. As one sportswriter said, it’s his body of work and not any particular comment.

    Johnny (3f9d29)

  9. The point, Johnny, is that Rush’s politics are moronic, even if he isn’t a racist. Why isn’t moronic politics a suitable reason for not going into business with someone?

    O'Grady (a85f1d)

  10. The NFL just lost another fan.

    Dr. K (eca563)

  11. “The point, Johnny, is that Rush’s politics are moronic”

    And this is just your opinion, not necessarily the truth. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion.

    PatAZ (c90d49)

  12. So now it’s moronic instead of racist? Because it’s easier to disagree with his politics than finding examples of racism?

    Show me where his politics are moronic (not just different than yours) and I will agree with you that owners should not have moronic political views.

    Moronic political views should not be allowed in the NFL so we can start interviewing all players and owners to make sure everyone is thinking the right way.

    Johnny (3f9d29)

  13. “the media pumping up McNabb because he is black. Much like what the media did with Obama.”

    No, Johnny. The story is that the media pumped up Obama because he’s a liberal. Remember Clarence Thomas? And what about Michael Steele? or Condoleeza Rice?

    And even if it were true that the media pumped up Obama because he’s a liberal, what would be wrong with that? Why do conservatives believe their political views have to be respected by the media?
    No ideology is entitled to positive media coverage. If you say stupid things, the media has a right to portray you as stupid, even if the stupid things you say are “conservative.”

    Why is that so hard for conservatives like Rush to fathom?

    If you want to debate whether Rush and his ilk say stupid things, BRING IT ON! But only after you acknowledge that stupid things, even when they’re conservatives, don’t deserve positive media coverage.

    O'Grady (a85f1d)

  14. The critics of Rush claimed he said the racist quotes, not that they were stupid. He was branded a racist, not stupid, for the McNabb story. You claimed he made borderline racist comments.

    Now you back off and claim he’s makes stupid and moronic. Nothing like moving the goalposts when you are called for evidence.

    Johnny (3f9d29)

  15. “Show me where his politics are moronic (not just different than yours)”

    Rush says global warming is a conspiracy to let the government gain control of the economy. He said McNabb was overrated because he’s black.
    He said he hopes Obama fails. In every conservative failure, he sees a liberal plot.

    Those are moronic views and, yes, they are different from mine as well.

    But hey, there are liberal morons too. As I pointed out, Michael Moore says some moronic things. If a Wall Street bank refused to hire him because he says moronic things, that’s A OK with me, even though some of the moronic things Moore says are liberal.

    You need to get your complaints straight. Isn’t the idea that everyone’s opinion is entitled to equal respect the province of “multicultural political correctness?”

    Conservatives really have to end the paranoid self-pity thing. They do not wear it well…

    O'Grady (a85f1d)

  16. O’Grady, you are the moronic one looking for a fight. You wallow in fake but accurate as a debate tactic. You are dishonest to the core, and that is a fact YOU have to live with.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  17. Hey, O’Grady? I love it when people who aren’t scientists hold forth on global warming. Are you a scientist? I hope so, because I want to discuss with you ALLLLL the details of James Hansen’s shenanigans. That wonderful hockey stick. The lack of willingness of the investigators to share primary data. The list goes on and on.

    Here is a place to start, again from a person with a science background, from Princeton:

    http://www.climate-skeptic.com/

    He is very fair minded about all this, but data doesn’t lie. Unless you cheat.

    Fact is, whether you like or not, people who lack any kind of background in the sciences (Al Gore, for example), pontificate on this stuff all the time.

    And what gets me is when one side calls the other “moronic,” just as you did. I will bet cash money you could not explain even the basics of this area. But you are absolutely certain you are right, because the people with whom you agree politically say so. And I’ll bet you make fun of the term “dittohead.”

    That whole area, right now, is primarily political. Which was the point Limbaugh was making.

    The part that steams me is how the Left sneers at how the Right has interfered with science. Please. My first semester freshmen know more biology than all but about four members of Congress. And they do know more than the President.

    It’s like when I hold forth on attorneys. Guess what? I’m not one. So talk is cheap.

    But I had to comment about your calling someone a “moron” for thinking that politicians would use their ignorance of a scientific matter for political gain.

    I would gently observe that your own thinking in this area…is less nuanced than it should be.

    Eric Blair (8484db)

  18. I’m still waiting for the borderline racist comments Rush has made. At least the ones that aren’t fake or taken out of context.

    Because I can find ones from Obama that are real (typical white person) or Jesse Jackson (calling New York hymietown). But those claiming Rush is too racist to own an NFL team are more than happy to associate with Obama and Jackson.

    Johnny (3f9d29)

  19. He said McNabb was overrated because he’s black.

    No, he did not. If you’re going to accuse another human of being a moron, you might want to actually research what another person says in order to be accurate. Rush said that the media was very desirous to have a black quarterback succeed, and thus pumped him up. He was taking a shot at the media, not McNabb. In fact Rush has said many times that he considers McNabb to be a good qb.

    The ironic thing is that Rush was proved right by Chris Collinsworth the very next week after the comment was made. McNabb had a thoroughly mediocre game which the Eagles won mainly due to their defense stepping up. Collinsworth than goes on this rant about happy he was that McNabb had such a great game after the “stupid” things Rush said about him. But Collinsworth completely proved Rush’s point by fellating McNabb when it was completely undeserved.

    He said he hopes Obama fails.

    So? I hope he fails. Only a liberal thinks that the presidency and the Nation are so intertwined that the former must fail if the latter does.

    In every conservative failure, he sees a liberal plot.

    Nice generic statement that really doesn’t prove anything.

    Seriously, in every comment you’ve made on this thread, you’ve shown yourself to be truly dumber than Rush. You clearly don’t even form opinions for yourself, but let yourself be taken in my what media outlets have said. I pity people like you who are completely lack the ability to form independent judgment. What a sad life you must have.

    Paul Zummo (09f6c7)

  20. Eric, O’Grady is just another troll who sounds familiar. Global arming is not a conspiracy in the sense that the Democrats planned it in secret meetings and Limbaugh never said so. The left saw an opportunity to bash capitalism and grabbed it. Now, it is very difficult to get a grant for research that might discredit global warming. Chinese “scientists,” who live in the US, get paid to monitor ground stations that they have not visited in years. The ground stations have been slowly surrounded by urban heat islands but no one calls them on it because the story is “too good to check.” An example of the effect is here.

    The dopes who think repeating Democrat talking points is a devastating answer should spend some time reading science. They could start with Bjorn Lomborg.

    Mike K (187f3b)

  21. Well said, Paul. But it will go right past O’Grady’s ears. O’Grady knows things.

    JD (683268)

  22. “American conservatives need to wake up and realize that while they are entitled to have an opinion, they aren’t entitled to respectability. You have to earn that, you don’t get a free pass for “ideological correctness.”

    Sir, I have a RIGHT to my opinion, not an entitlement. Entitlements can be taken away or managed away; a right never can.

    And who are you to make such an ignorant statment about “earning respectability?” Respect comes to you as long as you are willing to push your point, not by sitting silent like a humble little boy, awaiting the crumbs that are thrown his way.

    Brad S (9f6740)

  23. This is a story about opponents of Limbaugh’s politics going after him by making up fake quotes and labeling him as a racist thug.

    Then someone comes along and calls him borderline racist, then stupid and talking about global warming as if it’s a proven fact.

    Why do some people have such short attention spans that they can’t come up with arguments about the original post. Can Limbaugh opponents just argue their positions without hijacking threads?

    Johnny (3f9d29)

  24. Dr. K., you are especially right about Lomborg. He doesn’t even say that AGW won’t happen. He isn’t politically invested in the gravy train. And it is a gravy train. Ask Hansen.

    Hey, I was glad to hear you had a good dinner with JD. It always amuses me to hear trolls bash on JD. First, he bashes back very effectively. And second, he is a genuinely nice fellow.

    Eric Blair (8484db)

  25. Limbaugh didn’t “drop out”. He was dropped. The money people behind the bid which he was a part of realized that he was dead weight, and kicked him out. Capitalism works. Rush should be proud.

    Rob (128aba)

  26. Bye bye O’Grady/Unapologetic Mexican/Hax/etc…

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  27. Always wondered what happened to angry little Hax.

    Eric Blair (8484db)

  28. Capitalism works. Rush should be proud.

    Wrong! This wasn’t capitalism. It was opponents of certain political views using the media to slime Rush as a racist. And they succeeded when Godell came out and basically agreed with them.

    In St. Louis when it first came out about Rush, even the people in the media thought it was a good idea. Rush worked for the Royals when they were one of the best run teams in MLB. Then the fake quotes got out, Bryan Burwell and Jeff Gordon repeated them in the Post-Dispatch and others spread them on tv and the internet. And suddenly Rush is too controversial.

    Anyone that believes in fairness should be appalled at what happened.

    Johnny (3f9d29)

  29. What makes conservatives think that their opinions have to be respected, even when they are moronic?

    This is the line of the year.

    I guess Rush won’t get his chance to manage the “bloods and crips”, as he called NFL players. And that’s a real quote. “Barack the Magic Negro.” Also real. McNabb quotes. Also real.

    Not to stand in the way of anyone’s talking point, but Rush wasn’t derailed by the fake quotes. He was derailed by the things he actually said. Roger Goodell cited the McNabb comments specifically.

    Rush should get himself a NASCAR team. There would be no drama there.

    In other news, I think the Dave Checketts group might as well just withdraw their bid. People in the NFL are already questioning their judgment for even having included Rush in the first place.

    The NFL has tough collective bargaining negotiations coming up with the players. They didn’t need any additional drama of having an owner that doesn’t respect the labor. Checketts should have known that.

    And to re-iterate, yes, Limbaugh was dropped. He didn’t drop out. That wouldn’t even be part of his character to quit.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  30. What makes conservatives think that their opinions have to be respected, even when they are moronic?

    This is the line of the year.

    I guess Rush won’t get his chance to manage the “bloods and crips”, as he called NFL players. And that’s a real quote. “Barack the Magic Negro.” Also real. McNabb quotes. Also real.

    Not to stand in the way of anyone’s talking point, but Rush wasn’t derailed by the fake quotes. He was derailed by the things he actually said. Roger Goodell cited the McNabb comments specifically.

    Rush should get himself a NASCAR team. There would be no drama there.

    In other news, I think the Dave Checketts group might as well just withdraw their bid. People in the NFL are already questioning their judgment for even having included Rush in the first place.

    The NFL has tough collective bargaining negotiations coming up with the players. They didn’t need any additional drama of having an owner who doesn’t respect the labor. Checketts should have known that.

    And to re-iterate, yes, Limbaugh was dropped. He didn’t drop out. That wouldn’t even be part of his character to quit.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  31. I apologize for the double-post.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  32. #

    The NFL just lost another fan.

    Comment by Dr. K — 10/15/2009 @ 6:17 am

    I don’t know if you’re exaggerating, but this comment does illustrate precisely why the NFL did not want Rush involved. It’s business. He causes reactions like this. It is also why the Checketts group might as well withdraw its bid. Their knuckle-headed maneuver may have already cost the NFL a few fans.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  33. BTW, I don’t find Rush’s policy prescriptions particularly moronic. I just don’t agree with them.

    I do, however, think his opinions on McNabb were moronic as well as racially inflammatory.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  34. “Barack the Magic Negro.” – A term created by a leftist whack-job.

    You are a bigot and a liar, Myron, in my not-very-humble opinion.

    JD (683268)

  35. I am wondering if Rush does not have some legal recourse. He was denied a financial opportunity based upon slander. Rev. Al and Rev. Jesse made statements which could be viewed as damaging to Rush’s opportunity for financial gain. The allegations made by these two race baiters was false. I join with those who plan to not view or buy NFL products and products that are advertised by the NFL. If all 30 million Rush listeners do the same. It will hurt those who bend to the lefts will.

    Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (57cae1)

  36. If you say stupid things, the media has a right to portray you as stupid, even if the stupid things you say are “conservative.”

    O’Grady: I’ve been saying that about Sarah Palin for quite some time. The media did its job in portraying a wholly unqualified candidate as being unqualified. She had no inalienable right to be baby-sat by the press.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  37. Please, Myron:

    “Rush should get himself a NASCAR team. There would be no drama there.”

    What’s with that? Snobbery about the South? Really?

    That’s what I love about Progressives. They get all disturbed by bigotry. But some bigotry is acceptable to them. More equal than others, perhaps.

    Eric Blair (8484db)

  38. If Godell is upset with the McNabb story, then why isn’t he trying to get Washington to change the name of their team?

    Johnny (3f9d29)

  39. It was alright for Ted Turner to be an owner. Mark Cuban. Jim Irsay. Jerry Jones. The list of controversial owners is practically endless.

    JD (683268)

  40. Oh, Myron:

    “… The media did its job in portraying a wholly unqualified candidate as being unqualified. …”

    Yet Mr. Obama was portrayed as being qualified based on running for office. And he is doing so well, according the polls, the people he appoints, and more to the point, the people he tosses under the bus.

    How was that beer summit, again?

    And this is the point: the media decided to play favorites, rather than put everyone under a microscope. As they should have.

    So instead, we have love-struck cheerleaders and absolute jaw-dropping hypocrites writing the stories. And I hope you aren’t one of them. Mr. Obama was far less qualified than Sarah Palin to be President by any objective set of criteria. And I’m not complimenting the former Governor, by the way, with that statement.

    I think people in all 57 states know that, even when their TelePrompters act up.

    You are basing your statements on some interviews Sarah Palin did. And I would love to see how the President would deal with that kind of “gotcha style journalism.” And continual lawsuits.

    Wait. Can’t you just let him eat his waffle?

    Eric Blair (8484db)

  41. Myron: Rush should get himself a NASCAR team. There would be no drama there.

    — Why? Because there are no black people working in NASCAR? Who’s the one doing the stereotyping here? Doesn’t sound like it’s Rush to me.

    O’Grady: If [Michael Moore] wanted to buy a stake in an investment bank, for example, the bank would have every right to reject his offer on the basis of his political expressions

    — Why would anti-capitalist Michael Moore want to buy a stake in an investment bank?
    Geez, even your examples are dumb!

    Icy Texan (6fdd44)

  42. My-ron, in case you missed it, O’Grady was a sockpuppet of a deranged and serially-dishonest commenter who has been banned multiple times. I’m not surprised you would agree with him.

    Palin should have the right not to have a partisan-driven, dishonest hatchet-job done by the media, but she doesn’t. Remember that when liberal media eventually dies and liberals start getting reported on honestly. They don’t have the right to be baby-sat by the press. Just the benefit for now.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  43. “Barack the Magic Negro.” Also real.

    Good lord, lefties is stupid.

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  44. Their definition of an objective media is being objectively biased, Eric. It is the eternal leftist conceit, that they, and their ideas, are more better, more moral, and their intentions are pure.

    JD (683268)

  45. Zelsdorf Ragshaft III: O’Reilly reported last night — and Rush said on his show — that El Rushbo is considering his legal options. Being a public figure, he will have to meet a high standard to prove slander or libel. He will have to show that the outlets that ran the fake quotes acted with malice, as opposed to just being misinformed. It still might be worth his while to sue as a cautionary maneuver against future, inaccurate attacks. It could put a chill on the smaller players in the media game, such as this-or-that Web site, but won’t really affect the big boys.

    I have personally found the fake quotes to be a very annoying distraction and, as I mentioned, completely unnecessary. Rush talks for three hours a day every day. There’s plenty of material to choose from if one wants to find inflammatory statements. How lazy are people anyway?

    JD: Name-calling is the refuge of folks with no ideas.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  46. Johnny, in response to post no. 28, while I disagree that the fake quotes are what doomed Rush’s participation in the bid, I think there is no way to prove their effect. There are quite enough real quotes out there to cause Goodell and the players who spoke out against Rush as a co-owner to say what they did.

    Rob (128aba)

  47. JD: Name-calling is the refuge of folks with no ideas.
    Comment by Myron — 10/15/2009 @ 7:57 am

    Sometimes name-calling is just being descriptive.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  48. What’s with that? Snobbery about the South? Really?

    Eric: No. I live in the south. My point was that Rush would be among people who would be more likely to share his political views.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  49. I have personally found the fake quotes to be a very annoying distraction and, as I mentioned, completely unnecessary. Rush talks for three hours a day every day. There’s plenty of material to choose from if one wants to find inflammatory statements. How lazy are people anyway?

    Then why did people like Drew Sharp or Jeff Gordon use the fake quotes to show how racist Rush is? They didn’t quote the real things he said because they knew they weren’t as inflammatory.

    People cite the school bus fight as something racist but the full story shows he was making fun of a Newsweek cover story saying whites are born racists. Read other supposedly racist things he says and it always turns out they aren’t what his opponents claim.

    So if he says so many borderline racist things I an sure you can find them. But people like you just throw it out there that the evidence is there to be found as if it is self-evident.

    Johnny (3f9d29)

  50. I do, however, think his opinions on McNabb were moronic as well as racially inflammatory.

    No, you don’t. I doubt you even know what he said. You’ve been TOLD what to think about his comments, just like you’ve been told to be outraged about “Barack the Magic Negro”. In neither case do you have any idea what was actually said, or intended.

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  51. I made an observation, Myron. You come across as bigoted and dishonest. So far, you have done nothing to disabuse me of said notion.

    JD (683268)

  52. Oh, Lord, Myron:

    “…be among people who would be more likely to share his political views….”

    Really?

    And that is not bigoted how, precisely? And your comment about living in the South sounds suspiciously like a “…some of my best friends are…” excuse for racist nonsense.

    As I say, amazing. Simply amazing. Because it is always different when a progressive does it.

    But thanks for proving my point. The sad part is that you don’t see it.

    Eric Blair (8484db)

  53. Eric: You’re being a mite sensitive aren’t you? How is it bigoted to say NASCAR fans tend to be conservative? I’m not saying they agree with Rush’s comments on race. If that’s how it came off, that’s not what I meant.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  54. Just for fun, check out my poll on Rush.

    The word racist has all but lost its meaning.

    SomeOtherSteve (238ed0)

  55. Rob Crawford: Don’t assume you know me. You may be a ditto-head or whatever you are, but I look up facts for myself. That’s why you haven’t seen me regurgitating the fake quotes.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  56. #32

    Myron,

    Since you appear to be so dense, let me explain it to you.

    If a lifelong fan of the NFL cannot be considered for ownership based solely on the lies and fabrications by their political enemies, then I have no use for the NFL.

    That is why they have lost another fan.

    And I am not alone:

    http://moltenthought.blogspot.com/2009/10/punt-nfl.html

    Dr. K (eca563)

  57. Earlier you were making the ass-ertion that Rush was racist, and his views would be more welcome in NASCAR than the NFL. Then, when called on it, you fall back to Rush’s conservatism would be more welcome.

    JD (683268)

  58. And are there no thugs in the NFL? No former gang members? Has there never been an NFL player that killed anybod- WAIT A MINUTE!

    Icy Texan (6fdd44)

  59. Do all lefties have to be dishonest like Moron (myron), Lovey, the O’Grady troll?

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  60. Dr. K.: I don’t accept your premise, which I think is clear from my posts. He did not lose this opportunity “based solely on the lies and fabrications” but on things he actually said. To repeat, NFL commissioner Goodell specifically cited the McNabb comments.

    And “bloods and crips” — he said it. It’s on his frickin Web site. For God’s sake, do some research, man. Geez!

    Myron (6a93dd)

  61. Myron, there were plenty of fabricated quotes.

    For god’s sake, do some research, man! Geez!

    Dr. K (eca563)

  62. Dr. K person is right that the NFL is disposable. Someone should start a new league where steroids are encouraged and people play amazing football and have fun and no dogs get hurt and the ESPN homos aren’t invited.

    I saw ESPN for the first time in forever at a bar the other day and I though my god you have pretty hair, fella. It sort of falls over here just so and sort of sweeps back over there very precisely and right there you have these spikey thingies and it sort of shimmeringly changes colors as you move you head around from camera to camera.

    I wish I had pretty ESPN hair.

    happyfeet (f62c43)

  63. Dr. K, I second your thoughts. I have been mulling sending Goodell a letter, carbon copying Limbaugh, on how I am no longer buying any NFL broadcast, merchandise, or even patronizing an establishment that sells either because of his comments and bad treatment of Rush Limbaugh.

    If Goodell wasn’t a liberal hypocrite, he’d have Keith Obermann removed from the NBC broadcasts, and it is in the contract that the NFL signed with each network that the NFL has final say over who participates in that network’s broadcasts.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  64. Myron:

    The blood and crips comment was about a specific game and the way the teams were acting. Again, don’t just quote one sentence and claim it is proof that Rush is a racist. I could probably pull a few words that you have spoken in your life and claim they are racist – I just have to leave out the context. That is what you are doing now.

    Johnny (3f9d29)

  65. Bo Snerdley farts in your general direction.

    JD (683268)

  66. oh. I *thought* is what that should be

    happyfeet (f62c43)

  67. Icy Texan: The argument that the NFL has had controversial figures before and should thus go out of its way to add more controversial figures makes a lot of sense to many people outside of the NFL. But it makes no sense to people inside the NFL, who, recall, are running a business.

    The logic of your argument seems to be: “Our brand has suffered by the actions of some of the people associated with the brand. So, what difference does it make if we hurt the brand even more by adding this guy who many people despise?”

    What business person thinks like that? Hint: Ones who are out of business.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  68. PS to my 63: I was born and raised in Green Bay. Not only am I a dyed in the wool Packer Fan, I actually worked at the stadium and performed in a half time in 1972 at Lambeau. My classmate, Chris Handler, paints the slogans on the fence across from Lambeau on Lombardi Av., and has done it for over a decade.

    I remember the controversy when Lambeau was first built, that a former GB mayor was part owner of the land selected for the stadium.

    Also, I went to GB East HS which has the old City Stadium where the Packers played before Lambeau was built. (Yes, I have left divots in that field playing defensive end.)

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  69. The blood and crips comment was about a specific game and the way the teams were acting

    Johnny: You folks are always trying to justify what Rush says. It’s hilarious. After he made the “bloods and crips” comment, he said, “There, I said it.”

    Whenever people throw on such a tagline they are acknowledging that they said something controversial and maybe that they should not have said. Rush knows he crossed the line, even if you don’t.

    What difference does it make that he was talking about one particular game? He denigrated everybody in the mostly black league by comparing them to street gangs, whose members, as it happens, are primarily black.

    Rush is smart and talented. Can we all at least agree on that? He doesn’t say things by accident.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  70. Roman Polanski rapes a child and is defended by libs as a misunderstood genius.

    Rush Limbaugh makes a few “controversial” remarks and is damned by libs as the root of all evil.

    As Don King would say: only in America.

    Bubba Maximus (456175)

  71. I smell lawsuit!

    Should be pretty easy to get a subpoena for the ID of whoever was using that IP on the time/date the “quotes” were added to WikiQuote.

    Libel payout, here we come!

    mojo (8096f2)

  72. Johnny, what he said was:”The NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.”

    Now, that doesn’t sound like he was just talking about one game, unless you think “all too often” was meant to refer to one game, which wouldn’t make sense. In any event, if you were a player, would you want to belong to a team whose owner thought that way? Come to think of it, why would Rush want to own something that resembled a criminal LA street gang? That is, unless he was just full of BS, in which case he should just say so.

    Rob (128aba)

  73. Roman Polanski rapes a child and is defended by libs as a misunderstood genius.

    Bubba: Nice try at revisionism. Polanski was bashed by both sides of the spectrum and defended by HOLLYWOOD liberals.

    Myron (6a93dd)

  74. What exactly is wrong, Rob, with an observation the amount of criminals that are playing in the NFL?

    If I were a player in the NFL, I’d want an owner who had more respect for the game and team than to employ felons.

    Its not a new observation. Years ago, the joke was that the Dallas Cowboys huddle was a parole violation.

    Really pathetic trying to turn such an observation into a disqualification as an NFL owner.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  75. St. Louis, MO (Sports Network) – Amid scrutiny from numerous decision makers in the NFL community, Dave Checketts released a statement on Wednesday announcing Rush Limbaugh has been dropped from the group seeking to purchase the St. Louis Rams.

    You might want to add that to the thread. He was dropped. He did not “drop out”.
    And come on, Rush is a big boy. He can take rejection. It comes with the job of being mostly an obnoxious personality. There is a price to pay for choosing to be controversial. No need to whine.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  76. Myron, thank you for helping to draw attention to the NFL culture and the racist attitude of players. I like college ball and rarely watch the NFL. I suspect I will have lots of company soon. I guess this guy is your hero.

    Mike K (187f3b)

  77. Read the transcript where Rush starts out talking about the way the Patriots and the Chargers were playing. The Pats went to midfield and stomped on the Chargers logo and mocking Merriman. He talks about the lack of class by some of the players. He talks about the taunting between the players and the lack of discipline.

    So in that context is blood and crips racist? Is that what qualifies for calling someone racist? Are the bloods and crips somehow above being used in an analogy because they have black members?

    Johnny (3f9d29)

  78. There is a price to pay for choosing to be controversial. No need to whine.

    Then we can expect you to not complain when we note that you are an apologist for child assrapists and you get stimulated by reading transcipts of rape victim’s testimony.

    JD (683268)

  79. SPQR, the day Rush made that comment, he didn’t mention players convicted of felonies. He doesn’t even use the word felon, at least not in that discussion. What he was referring to was “a lack of class and a lack of discipline”. Gang members obviously lack both. And he said they look like gang members. I don’t think that makes him racist, but I can see why players wouldn’t want to play for him, and why the NFL wouldn’t want him.

    Rob (128aba)

  80. I denounce and condemn all of you RACISTS !

    JD (683268)

  81. JD, this guy has to be doing performance art. He can’t be unaware of his/her saying things like this:

    “… It comes with the job of being mostly an obnoxious personality. There is a price to pay for choosing to be controversial….”

    I just wish this creature would go play elsewhere. But as you write, he or she will keep upping the ante, and eventually go to far. It’s just tiresome right now.

    And yes: she or he has written some very vile things. For jokes.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  82. Comment by JD — 10/15/2009 @ 8:50 am
    You don’t see me whining, do you? Every man must accept full responsibility for his words and actions. That’s what makes a man, a man.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  83. You may be a ditto-head or whatever you are, but I look up facts for myself. That’s why you haven’t seen me regurgitating the fake quotes.

    Bully for you for not accepting the complete lies! Now, let’s see if you can bring yourself to reject the partial lies!

    Start with “Barack the Magic Negro”. Was Rush the first person to say it? What was the context?

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  84. Myron, Rob, and Lovey, given your pronouncements on Limbaugh, why is Olberman allowed to participate in NFL broadcasts??? HYPOCRITES!!!!

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  85. It’s just tiresome right now.
    Then take a break, Eric. Maybe you need to sleep again. Or walk the dog. Or milk the cow. You don’t have to keep reading and responding to every of my comment. Especially those not directed to you. No wonder it’s getting “tiresome’ for you.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  86. PCD, why wouldn’t Olberman be allowed to participate in NFL broadcasts?

    Rob (128aba)

  87. He did not lose this opportunity “based solely on the lies and fabrications” but on things he actually said.

    BS. The people who attacked him are retreating to this position after being caught out peddling lies. The lies were the primary ammunition in the attacks on Limbaugh.

    The “controversial” comments are controversial only if you believe someone’s skin color makes their behavior beyond criticism, or if you think criticizing the press for over-hyping someone based on race is, itself, racism. Honestly — you want to find racists? Look to the people pissed at Limbaugh.

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  88. Rob:

    People get their info from websites that list his quotes and never use them in context. So like the people repeating the slavery quote they never know if they are true or what the context is. They are supposed to stand on their own as examples of Rush inciting racial animus.

    So the blood and the crips statement is supposed to be all the evidence we need. Same for Barack the Magic Negro. Same with the fight on the school bus. We are just supposed to take this stuff at face value and agree with opponents of Rush that he is a racist.

    Fortunately some of us have a brain that we can understand English and can figure out what Rush is really saying.

    Johnny (3f9d29)

  89. PCD, why wouldn’t Olberman be allowed to participate in NFL broadcasts?

    Because he’s made “controversial” comments. Hell, he’s made bigoted, hate-filled comments. And, hey, if what he’s actually said isn’t bad enough, well, anyone got a WikiQuotes account?

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  90. Pretty amusing seeing Democrats celebrating McCarthyism.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  91. I think people that call women disgusting piles of meat with lipstick on it should be given all the benefit of the doubt, don’t you, Rob?

    JD (683268)

  92. Which reminds me Emperor-who-I-am-pretty-sure-is-a-girl:

    How is that Biblical intepretation of rape going for you? You know, the one where you claimed that only when a woman is screaming and fighting (at any age, apparently) it counts as rape? Please show me the verse. We have lots of religious people here.

    And on the subject. Have you seen your regular psychotherapist about the fact that you get aroused from reading transcript of cases where someone drugs and rapes a thirteen year old girl?

    These are both things you said, and until you behave decently, I hope that EVERYONE gets to reminded of the kind of person you are.

    Your juvenile posts do not impress. And your sick stuff? Well, that speaks for itself.

    I think you are some student type person trying to speak Troof to Powder, and you let your mouth get away from you.

    You say you are religious. Here is a word: humility.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  93. Johnny, Rush explained his comment. After saying he didn’t mean it to be racist, he said: “[The term] Bloods and Crips makes it look racial, the way I chose to describe it. I could have perhaps chosen a different term.” So, even Rush is saying he can see why people would get upset at that. The NFL is a business, it made a business decision. People are free to stop watching it, write them letters, etc. But to call the NFL unfair, or get upset at “liberals” is sort of like railing at the tides. The journalists who reprinted fake quotes, that’s something to get mad about. But again, probably not decisive. Where Rush to make $100 million from a slander or libel lawsuit, he wouldn’t be a welcome addition for another team bid.

    Rob (128aba)

  94. The NFL allows dog-killer Michael Vick to participate, but not Limbaugh?

    Limbaugh on the radio just now:

    “I have lost nothing . . . but out country has lost a great deal. . . I am the man who showed what America is becoming. . .I am more sad for my country than I am for myself. These are dark days that we face.”

    Official Internet Data Office (424263)

  95. Rob – You think it is okay for Olbergasm to call people “total mindless, morally bankrupt, knee-jerk, fascistic hatred,” Malkin would “just be a big mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it.” ?

    JD (683268)

  96. The lunatic left demands unfettered expression of free speech for themselves so they can deny it to others. Lie, distort, manufacture phony documents and quotes, posture, pretend, and dissemble, it’s the modus operandi of the self-anointed. Proof is provided daily.

    Ignore them, they contaminate all they engage.

    ropelight (a5ea44)

  97. Rob, so McCarthyism / the Hollywood Black list, that was just a business decision?

    Oh, good. Glad you cleared that up for me.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  98. Here is a word: humility.

    Comment by Eric Blair — 10/15/2009 @ 9:21 am

    Here is a word for you too: FOCUS ON THE TOPIC AT HAND AND QUIT ACTING LIKE A THREAD-JACKING, TROLL!!!

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  99. Bye bye O’Grady/Unapologetic Mexican/Hax/etc…

    :-)

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  100. JD, I wouldn’t want to watch Olbermann on the NFL. To me, that would be a distraction. It isn’t his primary gig. I didn’t like it when D. Miller or Limbaugh came on, either. I guess NBC feels differently. If enough people let them know, they will drop him. What he said about Malkin was no good, but when it comes to personal attacks by opinion commentators, shouldn’t we let the babies have their bottles and walk away?

    Rob (128aba)

  101. Rob:

    The NFL is well within their rights not let Rush join their club – if only every private business were accorded that right.

    But no one has a right to slander and libel someone because they do not agree with their politics. And spreading those fake quotes was wrong and any media outlet that let their commentators and writers to spread them along with the writers should be held to account.

    It amazes me that anyone, no matter what their politics may be, has no problem with what was done to Rush. As if he deserves it and brought it on himself. If the blood and crips is the worst thing they have, it is really weak tea. Weaker than the McNabb stuff.

    Rush likes to take stuff liberals say and throw it back at them. No doubt he could couch things in softer terms but then again that would make for boring radio. But people want to judge him on his politics, not on what he actually says. It’s like when Myron claims Rush is racist, then bordrline racist, then stupid.

    Johnny (3f9d29)

  102. Re: #67

    The argument that the NFL has had controversial figures before and should thus go out of its way to add more controversial figures makes a lot of sense to many people outside of the NFL. But it makes no sense to people inside the NFL, who, recall, are running a business.

    — NO, Myron. I was referring to Rush’s comments about gang members, and pointing out that there is ample evidence to show that those comments are not out of line and should not be considered “controversial” at all. In a certain sense, Rush has been treated like a whistleblower that was punished for revealing the NFL’s ugly little secret: We sometimes employ criminals, and we don’t really care about that fact as long as their performance puts asses in the seats.

    The logic of your argument seems to be: “Our brand has suffered by the actions of some of the people associated with the brand. So, what difference does it make if we hurt the brand even more by adding this guy who many people despise?”

    — Your argument seems to be that NFL owners should be either politically neutral OR politically non-existant.
    What a champion of liberty and freedom of speech you are!

    Icy Texan (6fdd44)

  103. Johnny, I completely agree with your post 101.

    Rob (128aba)

  104. The NFL may regret they bit on this particular agitator’s bait. The controversy is not going away.

    Mike K (187f3b)

  105. Insofar as businessmen have the right to determine who they want to be in business with, I can’t gen up the outrage of some about the Limbaugh/NFL business. It’s petty and small of them, but still…

    Sports are entertainment businesses, and therefore those who have openly antagonized roughly half of the target audience might not be welcomed into the fold. (NOTE: I said “antagonized” – he does go out of his way to get under lefties’ skins – and I am NOT referring to any of the alleged “racist” bullhockey.)

    I liken it to the whole Dixie Chicks kerfuffle – they “bravely” spoke their minds, and then acted all surprised when folks stoped buying their CDs and going to their concerts. Why you would choose to tick off half (or in their case, probably way more than half) of your audience? Hubris and bad business sense, I guess.

    Having said all that, I will say this:

    a) I really hope Rush does go after the bogus quote purveyors, and

    b) this makes it open season on idiot Olbermann’s continuing appearances on NBC’s NFL coverage. I wrote NBC before the season that I would not watch any sporting event that KO was associated with, and I intend to send another after this insane “meatbag with lipstick” comment. It’s time for the 50% who object to KO’s garbage to be heard.

    RC (2658bd)

  106. Every man must accept full responsibility (assraping children) for his words and actions (assraping children). That’s what makes a man, a man (assraping children).

    Comment by The Emperor — 10/15/2009 @ 9:05 am (Pedophilic assraper of chidren)

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  107. No man needs to accept any responsibility for the idiotic reactions that some people have to his words and actions.

    Icy Texan (6fdd44)

  108. The head of the National Football League Players’ Association, DeMaurice Smith, one of Limbaugh’s detractors, was on Obama’s transition team. Do the math.

    The media’s attitude toward Limbaugh is now roughly equivalent to the “Two Minutes Hate” sessions from George Orwell’s novel, 1984.

    Official Internet Data Office (424263)

  109. The dirty socialists have co-opted the NFL and Consumer Reports and also that gaywad Nobel committee thing and something else I forget.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  110. Rob, you’ve had your head handed to you by others. You are a hypocrite. You can’t apply your stated criteria to object to Limbaugh to Olberman. You can pick your teeth up off the floor before you leave.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  111. “The NFL is well within their rights not let Rush join their club”

    Unfortunately, the NFL is the beneficiary of all kinds of government subsidies not to mention that it possesses special anti-trust exemptions. It is subject to all kinds of laws and civil rights regulations because of that.

    And I really think Myron should look up ‘magic negro’ in Wikipedia. It has a good listing of the source of the mythology of the ‘magic negro’ in hollywood, and why someone originally came up with the ‘Barack The Magic Negro’ song.

    luagha (5cbe06)

  112. happyfeet “and something else I forget”

    The White House?

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  113. Geez PCD, a bit dramatic, aren’t you? Here is what I said about Olbermann: JD, I wouldn’t want to watch Olbermann on the NFL. To me, that would be a distraction. It isn’t his primary gig. I didn’t like it when D. Miller or Limbaugh came on, either. I guess NBC feels differently. If enough people let them know, they will drop him. What he said about Malkin was no good, but when it comes to personal attacks by opinion commentators, shouldn’t we let the babies have their bottles and walk away?

    I have no “criteria” to object to Limbaugh or Olbermann. Phone in and try to get him fired if that’s your cup of tea. I can see why people wouldn’t want politics in their sports.

    You don’t advance your arguments by name calling. Rather, cite facts, and back them up, if possible. If possible.

    Rob (128aba)

  114. Rob, Why, you don’t. Just another liberal screed is all you have.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  115. This is my letter to Goodell:

    Mr. Goodell,

    I am a born and raised (in Green Bay) Packer fan. How you handled this flap of Limbaugh being a minority stake in a bid to buy the dysfunctional St. Louis Rams, and the standards you hypocritically applied in the matter is the reason I am not purchasing any game tickets, any NFL licensed merchandise, not purchasing NFL Ticket from Dish Network, nor am I patronizing any establishment having anything to do with broadcast of NFL games or sale/distribution of NFL licensed items.

    In addition, I am removing the Packers’ license plate frame from my personal automobile that has been on my cars for over 20 years.

    Not only have you done Rush Limbaugh wrong, you continue to allow Keith Olberman to mangle the Sunday Night broadcasts. I know in the contract with the networks, the NFL does have approval of announcers, etc. You have not banished Olberman for his incendiary comments.

    If you want to kiss Obama’s kiester, do so in your private life, not as the authority of the No Fun League.

    I grew up playing football on City Field at Green Bay East High School, the previous home stadium of the Packers before Lambeau. I worked in the stands at Lambeau and preformed as part of the halftime show put on by GB East in 1972.

    If you think, I’m a fair weather fan, you are full of “Milorganite”. I was living in Anaheim when Georgia Frontiere took the Rams with her “1-2-3-Kick” offense to St. Louis. I saw and commented on what was wrong with the NFL, and you are what is wrong with it now.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  116. Roger needs to receive several millions of such letters.

    AD - RtR/OS! (caade8)

  117. You don’t advance your arguments by name calling. Rather, cite facts, and back them up, if possible. If possible.

    Comment by Rob — 10/15/2009 @ 10:57 am
    Don’t waste your breath on him, Rob. He is an angry, jealous, envious blog owner whose blog has not been visited since August 12! (And that was by him, when he posted his last topic.) Yet he comes to a more successful blog to attack regular commenters and insult them. He is suffering from Transfered Aggression Syndrome. T.A.S. Don’t worry about him. You are ok.

    The Emperor (1b037c)

  118. So sayeth the assraper of children.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  119. The Ch8mpyMcHalliburton of liberal child molesters, you are speaking with out facts. Just because I haven’t posted doesn’t mean the blog hasn’t been read. Again, 1 page reference to my blog is infinitely more attention than what you get, pervert.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  120. Comment by The Emperor — 10/15/2009 @ 11:26 am

    So did you miss the irony of your response? What a tool.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  121. Comment by PCD — 10/15/2009 @ 11:32 am

    You are angry. I get it.

    The Emperor (1b037c)

  122. “Here is a word for you too: FOCUS ON THE TOPIC AT HAND AND QUIT ACTING LIKE A THREAD-JACKING, TROLL!!!”

    Um. That’s much more than a word.

    But I’m not surprised by your attention to detail.

    And thanks for some more projection. It’s funny from you, because you seem utterly unaware at your self-mockery. Also it is interesting to see how you suddenly find it “not funny” when people hold you accountable for what you write.

    By the way, since you seem to like trying to sneer at people with blogs, have you considered one of your own? Seriously. I post here because I have developed friendships with several people here and enjoy reading what they think.

    You? I don’t think you have many friends here. You just like fighting. So why not form your own blog…and see how many hits you get?

    You might get a lot, and eventually become the next Keith Olbermann.

    Give it some thought.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  123. The Empty Roar

    Btw, you never explained your conment that Rush looks like a racist. care to do so now?

    A.W. (b1db52)

  124. You should get it. You receive anger everyday.

    Icy Texan (6fdd44)

  125. Rob – Don’t you see the hypocrisy in your position? You deny Rush even the opportunity to be a minority stakeholder in an investment group because some find his comments objectionable, yet Olbergasm in on air every Sunday and we should have to mount a PR campaign to have him removed. BTW, you never did answer my simple and direct question above.

    JD (59882e)

  126. I missed where lovie/chimperor went ALL CAPS on you, Eric. Priceless.

    JD (59882e)

  127. You deny Rush even the opportunity to

    Wow, Dave Checketts comments here!

    timb (449046)

  128. The Empty Roar

    i mean here is the link to your comment:

    http://patterico.com/2009/10/13/rush-limbaugh-plantation-owner/#comment-566859

    And here is the words:

    > 60.Rush Limbaugh is no racist. Nooooooooo. He only sounds like one and looks like one. Nothing more.

    > Comment by The Emperor — 10/14/2009 @ 8:26 am

    Now how exactly does Rush Limbaugh “look” like a racist? care to explain that one to me?

    A.W. (b1db52)

  129. Another reputed member of the Checketts group of bidders for the St. Louis Rams is . . . George Soros. I am not making this up.

    Official Internet Data Office (424263)

  130. Comment by JD — 10/15/2009 @ 11:58 am

    JD, I think what Olbermann said was dumb, in answering your question. But, he didn’t say those things about the NFL, or NFL players. Nor is he trying to buy an NFL team. I don’t “deny” Rush an opportunity to buy a team. He did have a chance, the NFL didn’t want him.

    And yes, you do have to mount a PR campaign to get Olbermann removed. What, do you just want things you don’t like to go away on their own?

    Rob (128aba)

  131. Rob, you insinuated that Rush made racist comments, then when challenged on providing objective sources for that statement, immediately shifted into another definition as the foundation for your objection. That’s at best disengenuous, and at worst blatantly dishonest. If you’re going to come on here and debate, at least do it with some integrity.

    You are angry. I get it.

    You are an apologist for pedophiles. We get it.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  132. Alright, you did not “deny” his the opportunity, you just think he should be denied the opportunity by others. But you are cool with Olbergasm, because when he is controversial, it is not about the NFL. I guess that makes sense in some world. Controversial is dependant on political affiliation.

    JD (59882e)

  133. Bam! Thanks, Dustin!

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  134. Dmac, I said there are enough real quotes out there for people to get upset about. Then I cited Rush, and I will do so again. He said yesterday: Bloods and Crips makes it look racial, the way I chose to describe it. I could have perhaps chosen a different term. Now, here you are calling me disingenuous, dishonest, and impugning my integrity. Why?

    Rob (128aba)

  135. For example:

    There are quite enough real quotes out there to cause Goodell and the players who spoke out against Rush as a co-owner to say what they did.

    Really? Then how about providing said heinous commentary from Rush? Aside from the gang statement, if there are “enough real quotes out there” why did you not provide any additional ones? Construct strawmen much?

    Start with “Barack the Magic Negro”. Was Rush the first person to say it? What was the context?

    If you had taken about 10 seconds, you would’ve sourced this article’s origin to the LA – based writer by the name of David Ehrenstein, and the article was first published by the LA Times. But you couldn’t even be bothered to do that simple task, could you?

    Rather, cite facts, and back them up, if possible. If possible.

    That’s completely laughable on its face, after beclowning yourself just a few minutes earlier with your inane rant about a screed that was written by a far – left writer. Hilarious.

    Come back when you’re learned how to actually perform a Google search for once in your life. I know it must be very hard, but we have faith in you.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  136. It’s fascinating to watch liberals hate like this. There is no doubt that they would be outraged if this happened to one of their own.

    I certainly don’t think the NFL should lie about how much they hate the tens of millions of people like Rush. The vicious way they describe those of us who have the basic creed of ‘all men were created equal’ is absolutely amazing. This idea that we should entitle one race over another, and that we should destroy people who threaten that bigotry, is something I want the NFL to be upfront about.

    There’s no doubt in my mind that the NFL is headed for a significant drop in popularity.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  137. Dmac, I said there are enough real quotes out there for people to get upset about.

    You’re insinuating that there must be hundreds of quotes, yet you can only come up with…one. Come now, why so shy, all of a sudden?

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  138. JD, I said before I don’t like Olbermann doing an NFL broadcast. He’s “allowed” to do it until he gets fired. If he says something that pisses off enough people, he will get fired. Please see RC’s post #105. It’s by far the best on the thread (and written without insulting anyone. Imagine that!)

    Rob (128aba)

  139. 137, in addition to picking his teeth up off the floor, Rob has to find a cup, that is when he can straighten up once again. That’s why he isn’t answering you, Dmac.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  140. Rob likes his moral outrage, but somehow can’t come up with anything to actually justify it. Why do new commenters from the Left come here and debate with nothing but ranting screeds with no justification? Do they neglect to even review the site’s past postings and commentary, and don’t even realize that the host is a prosecutor? We don’t debate issues with puppets and magic, Rob – we use objective sources for our arguments. Either come with up something relevant to justify your past statement or admit you’re just trolling.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  141. Dmac, holy moly. I just gave you a quote that Rush himself said could look racial, and it was about the NFL! What do you want?

    Rob (128aba)

  142. Come on, Rob – since you stated that “there are enough real quotes out there for people to get upset about,” this could’ve been found quite easily in less than a minute. How come it’s taking so long, Rob?

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  143. It’s not surprising at all that some will try to throw every charge at Rush they can, and when these charges are knocked down as either unoffensive, out of context, or completely fabricated, these angry Rush detractors never apologize or analyze how they came up with so many charges they had to walk away from.

    Nope.

    Instead, these detractors just claim that the vague notion of all this criticism, is then its own criticism. ‘There’s lots of stuff!’ but any specific charge has been debunked. ‘But there’s lots of stuff!’

    Rob’s #134 is a good example. Yes, Rob, Rush is smart to point out the racial aspect of gangs. There’s nothing racist or wrong with that.

    Why can’t such folks take a second and see the dramatic unfairness here? They have been lied to about Rush, and are unconcerned with the actual liars who are trying to destroy a basic creed they disagree with. That right there is plenty to be offended by… and yet these folks are still mad at Rush for the vague notion that there might still be something out there that’s soooo horrible.

    And in perspective, Rush speaks 15 hours a week for 20 years and the left has to fabricate comments. If Rush tended to be offensive, they obviously would not have to. I don’t need to mention that nobody is perfect or that Rush is partisan. This is the NFL! They let Michael Vick wear their logo and represent their sport. They do not care at all about offending viewers. They want to bash Obama’s enemy (as he ordered the country to do.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  144. Dmac, as for why I am here, because you are bringing that up (what it has to do with the facts is another question) — I was blown away by Patterico’s handling of Anne Applebaum the other day, really liked it and said so. I do know his background, he does a good job.

    Rob (128aba)

  145. Rob, its obvious that opposition to Rush is not based on a single quote comparing NFL players to gangs. Its obviously a pretense that this single comment would be of concern to the NFL. Why do you think anyone is convinced by such a transparent argument?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  146. The NFL is the gayest football league ever to where I think we need to protect children from being exposed to it.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  147. “The media wants a black man to succeed as QB.”

    for every ‘historic’ tag put on Obama, we all know more and more just how intense this racial desire tends to be. We all know that Rush was correct about McNabb and the tendencies of many who divide us into race.

    Rush’s long history of satirical demonstrations of the evil of racism can be misinterpreted, but it’s easy to see, if you chose to pay attention, it’s a serious and wonderful statement of the equality of mankind.

    There’s an impact this has on people. People who do not want race shoved in their faces and used to justify special treatment, have an active and forceful enemy in the NFL and the democratic party.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  148. SPQR, you are right, it wasn’t just one quote. Goddell said he didn’t like the McNabb controversy either.

    Rob (128aba)

  149. Start with “Barack the Magic Negro”. Was Rush the first person to say it? What was the context?

    If you had taken about 10 seconds, you would’ve sourced this article’s origin to the LA – based writer by the name of David Ehrenstein, and the article was first published by the LA Times. But you couldn’t even be bothered to do that simple task, could you?

    Had you taken 10 more, dmac, you could have looked up Ehrenstein’s comments and the column and note he claims Rush’s interpretation is offensive. Add to that: the lyrics to the song are offensive, Shaklin is channeling Amos and Andy (but we know that wasn’t racist!), and Ehrenstein didn’t use the term to make fun of Al Sharpton and claim Sharpton and Obama were similar, whereas Rush does. The implication of the song is that if you’re afraid of Al Sharpton, well you better be afraid of Obama.

    But, why look stuff up when your Lord and master Limbaugh provides a talking point!

    It’s about buffet. I don’t have no buffet and there won’t be any church contributions,
    And there’ll be no cash in the collection plate.
    There ain’t gonna be no cash money, no walkin’ around money, no phoning money.

    Dear Lord, did Shanklin, that halfwit buffoon, sing it in blackface too?

    PS Rob, give it up. No matter what you say or do, you’re on the wrong team. These people are involved, desperately involved, in the success of their team. And, no one, and I mean no one, attacks a clown who says “take the bone out of nose and call me back” as a racist when he manages the club.

    timb (449046)

  150. Dmac, as for why I am here, because you are bringing that up (what it has to do with the facts is another question)

    Nice sidestep there, Rob. But the first rule of holes is stop digging. At this rate, you’re about halfway to China – so how about those quotes, Rob? Why are you deflecting from the central question here? Is it because you’ve been caught out in a lie?

    This is really simple – either post the quotes, or admit that you’re lying. Remember, the first step towards recovery is admitting that you have a problem.

    Shall I post your statement again, just so you’re memory’s clear about what you said?

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  151. Rob’s #134 is a good example. Yes, Rob, Rush is smart to point out the racial aspect of gangs. There’s nothing racist or wrong with that.

    Yeah, saying every black guy in the NFL looks like a gang members is not offensive; it’s…..well, Dustin knows it’s not offensive and that’s good enough for Dustin

    timb (449046)

  152. This is all about one of those things that we who are conservative or libertarian in nature are supposed to be in favor of: free markets.

    I had believed that Mike Vick’s particular brand of luggage would be judged so costly that no NFL team would touch him. Several teams disagreed with me and took the chance. So far, they appear to be correct, and me, not so much. Doesn’t make me happy, but that’s the way it goes.

    Rush Limbaugh’s potential partners obviously believed that his participation would end up costing them money, and they bumped him to the side (or he bumped himself, whatever). Their decision. Doesn’t make me happy.

    Olbermann’s presence on Sunday Night Football has made me not watch it this year, and to inform NBC as to why. I will do so again, along with a similar message to the NFL, in the aftermath of NFLRush-gate. If enough people do the same and turn off SNF, maybe KO gets bounced. If there’s not enough of us, well, prepare not to be happy about it.

    Of course, given all the above, we could all just swear off the NFL completely. Myself, without the NFL, I’d have a freezer full of Dahmer-style transient chunks by January 1st. YMMV, of course.

    The market works, if there are enough of you to drive it. If not… well, it still works.

    RC (22898a)

  153. The quotes, real and made up are at snopes, Dmac. Go look ’em up.

    timb (449046)

  154. But Soros money and financing is alright.

    JD (c39b83)

  155. hi JD have you checked Drudge today?

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  156. No, I have not. What should I look for, happyfeet?

    JD (c39b83)

  157. you could have looked up Ehrenstein’s comments and the column and note he claims Rush’s interpretation is offensive.

    Gee, Timmah, but I was on Cathy’s site when the column was first linked to – and Rob was using Rush’s quote as something that Rush originated on his own. Duh, Timmah.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  158. Now how exactly does Rush Limbaugh “look” like a racist? care to explain that one to me?

    Comment by A.W. — 10/15/2009 @ 12:12 pm
    If he didn’t why are people accusing him of being racist and saying racially insensitive things? There is no smoke without fire. Someone said, if people accuse you of something you know you are not, don’t give them something to prove it right. In other words, don’t give your enemies ammunition they can use against you. Rush is not a racist. But he has not done enough to establish that fact. He needs to be more careful. This is a learning experience for him and for everyone.

    The Emperor (1b037c)

  159. None of these idiots care that lies were broadcast on Cnn and Nbc and Espn. Lies told about an American citizen on purpose due to his politics in order to destroy his livelihood and business. Nope it’s all good cause they don’t like his beliefs. Bigots all.

    Mr. Pink (fb9a53)

  160. Dmac. Go look ‘em up

    I looked them up on the LAT’s archives, Timmah – not some 3rd party site. That’s called objective sourcing, Timmah. Please teach us more about your amazing powers of sleuthing.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  161. Rob, the McNabb “controversy” ? ROFL.

    Pathetic.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  162. If he didn’t why are people accusing him of being racist and saying racially insensitive things? There is no smoke without fire.

    If the Emperor isn’t a child molester, then why are people accusing her of being a child molester all over the internet? There is no smoke without fire.

    This is a learning experience for her and for everyone.

    Mitch (890cbf)

  163. It’s news from Nepal, JD. Terrifying news from Nepal.

    1,000 words is what this is worth.

    1,000 horrifically terrifying words. Literally nowhere he couldn’t be hiding.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  164. Dmac, your post 157 doesn’t even make sense. Calm down before posting, please. I never even brought up the Magic Negro quote. Not once. Myron said that.

    Rob (128aba)

  165. destroy his livelihood and business.

    Pinky, he signed a 400 million dollar contract and brags constantly that his ratings are up since January. I’m thinking his business is doing just fine.

    With that said, like Ta-Neshi Coates did, Rick Sanchez and the like should apologize for using fabricated quotes. Limbaugh’s a big enough jerk; why make things up.

    Oh, and dmac, being on “cathy’s blog” is no defense for the song, which — amazingly — you do not find offensive, but every sentient being outside of his core demo (old pissed off white people…..gee, you do fit right into that one?) knows is.

    Why do you think RNC candidates have to withdraw after giving it out as gifts? Because the mean ol’ liberals made them? Hint: no.

    timb (449046)

  166. timb, misquotation on your part again, I see. Typical.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  167. timb, why don’t you explain why the song is racist, while the Ehrenstein column upon which it is very, very directly based — and from which its lyrics entirely derive — is not.

    In your own words.

    Mitch (890cbf)

  168. Rush Limbaugh is a nice person. He’s not a racist person.

    Simple as that.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  169. Snopes is not trustworthy. You gotta check their sources and make sure they aren’t being partisan again. With Rush, I’d be shocked if they didn’t lie.

    I love the ‘no fire without smoke’ argument. Amazingly unfair.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  170. Ehrenstein responded to the latest controversy on his blog, attacking Republicans for still playing the song and passing it along as Christmas gifts.

    “As everyone knows Whites feel no guilt about America’s racist history whatsoever,” Ehrenstein wrote. “All they care about is the appearance of politesse — the slimy veneer of “good manners.”

    “Clearly the Rep8blican party (racist to its very core) is “split” over what to do in the wake of having lost so much political capital.”

    Wow, seems David wasn’t too happy about Limbaugh and Shanklin’s joke!
    Dmac fail

    It’s funny that a guy who loathes Obama from the Left can be cited by goofs on the Right as approving Limbaugh’s slur. The best part is Ehrenstein hates Obama almost as much as Dmac does, but for different reasons. The Pres keeps bringing people together!

    timb (449046)

  171. That’s Timmah’s specialty, SPQR – also outright lying.

    Dmac, your post 157 doesn’t even make sense. Calm down before posting, please. I never even brought up the Magic Negro quote. Not once. Myron said that.

    I stand corrected, but you’re still evading the question – one more time, here’s what you posted:

    “there are enough real quotes out there for people to get upset about,

    Now, who’s excited, Rob? I’m just asking you for some examples to support your statement. It’s now been well over two hours – why have you not responded to this simple request?

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  172. It’s funny that a guy who loathes Obama from the Left can be cited by goofs on the Right as approving Limbaugh’s slur.

    Another misrepresentation on your part, timb. Rush’s comment was not a “slur” but a use of the same label that Ehrenstein used.

    Your pattern of misrepresentation has long been noted.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  173. Snopes is not trustworthy.

    Not to Timmah they’re not. Instead of using the original source for the article in question, Timmah frantically scrambles in his lame attempt to construct the inevitable strawmen. Go, Timmah!

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  174. Comment by Mitch — 10/15/2009 @ 1:30 pm
    Nice. But not very intelligent. If you actually read my comment you would see why. Rush L. is not a racist but he has given people the opportunity to put that label on him. That’s my point, Mitch.

    The Emperor (1b037c)

  175. Happyfeet – Why do you hate me?

    JD (c87796)

  176. People what sit around waiting to opportunistically tag people as racists are big Obama fans I bet.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  177. Sorry, obviously it’s no smoke without fire. Of course, this is a fallacy of confirming the consequence. ‘No fire without smoke’ is a valid argument, and no smoke without fire is invalid.

    This is a transparent attempt to lynch people who dispute the racist entitlement culture of Al Sharpton, who admits he got what he wanted.

    People who look at this situation, and are more worried about Rush than Sharpton, CNN, and the NFL, are friends of the lynch mob. They want you to be lynched, punched back at twice as hard, if you threaten their politics.

    How far would these people go against you if you blogged something they didn’t like?

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  178. RACISTS !!!!!

    Denounced and condemned.

    JD (c87796)

  179. Nice. But not very intelligent. If you actually read my comment you would see why. Rush L. is not a racist but he has given people the opportunity to put that label on him. That’s my point, Mitch.

    Oh, Empress. I’m a damn sight smarter than you, dear, on my worst day and three sheets to the wind. Not that it’s any great accomplishment. At least I’m not accused of child molestation.

    I quoted what you said. If you didn’t mean the part that I quoted, retract it.

    You may not be a child molester, Empress, but you h have given people — INTERNET people — the opportunity to put that label on you. That’s my point, Empress.

    Mitch (890cbf)

  180. America has to stop encouraging or tolerating behavior where free speech is constantly attacked, especially by whiny little Leftist liars and snitches, who are offended and outraged at so much. So many denunciations to do, so little time!

    The funny thing is that the loudest complainers about Limbaugh’s intended purchase of part of the Rams football team are bloggers indirectly funded by George Soros, who, as Bloomberg reported, was reputed to be lined up as one of Limbaugh’s partners in the proposed deal.

    Official Internet Data Office (424263)

  181. This was just a drill. In real life you won’t have any warning, JD.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  182. Here Dmac. here are some quotes that are real, and that are, at a minimum, objectionable.

    “We are being told that we have to hope [Obama] succeeds, that we have to bend over, grab the ankles … because his father was black.”

    “Obama is “more African in his roots than he is American” and is “behaving like an African colonial despot.”

    Obama is “Halfrican-American.”

    “Obama has disowned his white half … he’s decided he’s got to go all in on the black side.”

    Limbaugh suggests Obama would not have acted on Somali pirates if he’d known they were “actually young, black Muslim teenagers.”

    “you can’t criticize the little black man-child.”

    “The government’s been taking care of [young blacks] their whole lives.”

    on Survivor series: “African-American tribe” worst swimmers, Hispanics “will do things other people won’t do.”

    calls Native Americans “Injuns.”

    Rob (128aba)

  183. like a dirty socialist African colonial despot I think

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  184. Happyfeet – I almost drove my new car right off a bridge when I looked at that.

    JD (c87796)

  185. The Empty Roar

    > [me] Now how exactly does Rush Limbaugh “look” like a racist? care to explain that one to me

    > [you] If he didn’t why are people accusing him of being racist

    You’re dodging the question so I will just have to assume that you are trying to hide your own prejudice you showed. That is you think people who look like him “look like racists.” I suppose chubby, white guys in mid-life or older or something like that.

    So in denouncing an alleged racist, you say something bigoted. Niiiice.

    But let’s take what you are saying about him seriously for a moment.

    > There is no smoke without fire.

    That is complete bull. No, sometimes claims are completely fabricated. For instance, in Bush’s State of the Union speech, in 2003, numerous papers said Bush declared Iraq to be an imminent threat. He didn’t. In he denied the threat was imminent.

    I mean hell, by that “there is no smoke without fire” logic, we should all believe that Obama was not born in the U.S., that 9-11 was an inside job, that there are indeed aliens, as well as vampires and werewolves among us, that JFK was assassinated by someone other than Lee Harvey Oswald, that the masons control everything, but so do the jews (maybe the masons are all jews!), and so on. Oh and we never landed on the moon. But aliens did land a roswell. And apparently those aliens are very interested in our rectums. They came millions of miles to get all up in that. After all if rampant rumors are considered conclusive proof, then I guess all of that must be true, right?

    OOOOrrr maybe all those people spreading the rumors just felt that Limbaugh “looked like a racist.”

    I mean that “if there is smoke” comment is so illogical that it would actually validate racism. If you said to a plantation owner in 1859, “hey, how do you know that black people can’t run their own lives if freed?” the plantation owner would say, “well, they don’t look like they can. Everyone thinks they can’t. where there is smoke there is fire, you know? Rumor is proof of fact.”

    > Rush is not a racist. But he has not done enough to establish that fact.

    So he is a racist until he proves he isn’t? how fair of you.

    A.W. (b1db52)

  186. Rob, not a single one of those quotes are objectionable. It’s only in your head.

    Is “manchild” objectionable? Then you would have objected to the title of Claude Brown’s book, Manchild in the Promised Land, one of those black Bildungsromans, like Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man.

    As for “halfrican-American,” that’s a great line. This one-liner developed when some African-Americans noted that Obama’s ancestry did not include slaves, which is of course regarded as part of the real history of African-Americans. So the theory that Obama wasn’t a “real” African-American was earnestly discussed. But “halfrican-American” sidesteps the controversy.

    As for “Injuns,” tell it to John Wayne.

    Official Internet Data Office (424263)

  187. Rob, your quotes show that Rush talks about race sometimes. That’s really all you’ve shown. You can pretend you aren’t making the charge that Rush is an intolerable racist, but that’s what you’re trying to do. To do so, you will have to find something offensive, in context, and accurate. You can’t.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  188. And damn, Rob, ever read Obama’s books? He says a lot of really racist stuff.

    “You asians are worse than the whites! Stupid motherfuckers!”

    That’s offensive, but then the left does not tend to police their own like the right. If Rush was actually saying Obama level disgusting stuff, he would be ridiculed by the right and marginalized instead of more credible and popular than just about any liberal media outlet.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  189. Rob, only liars cite Media Matters. Guess you can’t handle the truth, just like Ms. Applebaum.

    PCD (4290e6)

  190. Rob,

    One, i assume you can prove those quotes. because there are many quotes floating around that i could fertilize my lawn with.

    Second, you provide virtually no context. there are too many outlets who provide quotes like these so out of context that it is frankly a lie.

    Third, halfrican american is not an epithet. Hell, Turk on scrubs used that term. all it means is half black. as in his child with his dominican wife is a “halfrican american.” if anything its clever.

    Sheesh, get with it.

    A.W. (b1db52)

  191. As I mentioned way at the beginning, this was a high-tech lynching of Rush by sportswriters and race hustlers. The opponents of Rush like Bryan Burwell, Drew Sharp and the NFLPA didn’t like Limbaugh’s politics and were bent on stirring up controversy. And the biggest stick they used were fake quotes, just like the Mohammed cartoons had to have fake cartoons added to the mix to get muslims stirred up.

    Then opponents of Rush here claimed he was racist, borderline racist, stupid and racist looking.

    The evidence so far. The McNabb issue (where Rush was criticizing sportswriters, not McNabb), the crips and bloods (where Rush criticized the way the players were acting on the field while calling two black players among the classiest in the game) and Barack the Magic Negro (because the liberal writer that came up with that didn’t like the way Rush used the term).

    So, a guy talks without a script 3 hours a day, 5 days a week for more than 20 years and that’s the evidence that he’s a racist. Either Bull Connor and Robert Byrd were super duper very special ultra racists or the bar has really been lowered when it comes to defining a racist.

    When I was in college I was fine with being called a liberal because liberals were for things like free speech and McCarthy was the worst politician of the 20th century. Now liberals are fine putting the worst meaning on anything a conservative says and have no problem using a conservative’s political views against them in something that does not involve politics.

    Johnny (3f9d29)

  192. I’m fine with a group of rich guys deciding they dont’ want Limbaugh’s money. Blame “liberals” all you want, but Dave Checketts and Jim irsay and the Commissioner are not liberals.

    timb (449046)

  193. Posts about Rush and the RACISMS have pretty predictable results.

    JD (c87796)

  194. Liberals … douchey gay NFL half-wits … same-same, really.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  195. I think it’s time to revisit what Mr. psycho had to say.

    Comment by psycho… on 10/13 @ 10:54 pm #

    The Alinsky-like (but not his, exactly) strategy at work here works better if Rush isn’t a racist. If he were, or could reasonably be claimed to be, and the charge were aired, sides re: Rush is/n’t a racist would form unpredictably, based on idiosyncratic evidential weightings etc.

    But since he’s not, or not really, and you have to will yourself to believe he is, or to lie and say he is, or just obey and carry it, who’s going to side with whom is pre-known with almost perfect certainty.

    Having evidence on your side when the other side has none but the fact that it’s a side is a massive disadvantage. Pointing to another fact, whatever it is, is only an assertion of who you are and who sent you: the other guys.

    There is no effective counter-strategy.*

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  196. Comment by timb — 10/15/2009 @ 2:38 pm

    Well said, timb.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  197. Comment by timb — 10/15/2009 @ 2:38 pm

    Well said, timb.

    Comment by The Emperor — 10/15/2009 @ 3:00 pm

    I think I need to invent a new word to describe the reaction to this exchange.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  198. The comment “No smoke without fire.” means nothing happens without a cause. If people say you are a racist, there is something you are doing or saying that is giving that impression. Now it is an entirely different thing if the impression is accurate and fair. A wrong perception can drown a world of good intention.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  199. SPQR – I think what you are looking for is Moronic Convergence.

    JD (6ed8b2)

  200. Comment by SPQR — 10/15/2009 @ 3:08 pm

    I get it. You all can’t have enough of me. I get that often. People falling over each other to hear what I am saying……next. Sometimes genius can be a curse. But hey, I love it!

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  201. Here Dmac. here are some quotes that are real, and that are, at a minimum, objectionable.

    Gee Rob, that’s some damn fine sourcing ya got there – as in none.

    BTW, who’s determining what’s “objectionable” here? You? How can anyone make that charge without providing the full context and sourcing for these alleged “quotes?” I’m not going to ask you again to do the simplest of tasks in order to substantiate your original charge, because you’ve shown yourself incapable of proving it in the first place.

    Second verse, same as the first.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  202. Are you people still talking about Me?

    I’m doing everything in my power to keep the drug-addicted closet queen out of the first graph of my obituary.

    David Ehrenstein (2550d9)

  203. “If people say you are a racist, there is something you are doing or saying that is giving that impression . . .”

    Or your enemies may just be lying about you! There was no smoke or fire regarding the Duke lacrosse team, yet gullible twits like you bought the whole fabricated story.

    Official Internet Data Office (424263)

  204. There was no smoke or fire regarding the Duke lacrosse team, yet gullible twits like you bought the whole fabricated story.

    Comment by Official Internet Data Office — 10/15/2009 @ 3:46 pm
    What the F- are you babbling on? What type of people are these?

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  205. SPQR – I think what you are looking for is Moronic Convergence.

    Comment by JD — 10/15/2009 @ 3:35 pm

    Now that is frickin’ funny.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  206. The Empty Roar

    That is retarded. There is such a thing as lying, you idioy.

    A.W. (a473eb)

  207. No, Empress, you and timb slapping each other on the back was just more irony than my systems could absorb.

    JD, no its got to have something that even better explains the black hole level of vacuousness.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  208. Hmmm.

    “If people say you are a racist, there is something you are doing or saying that is giving that impression . . .”

    Well, heck, if a number of people call another person a skeevy perv who gets all turned on by rape testimony, and who thinks drugging and raping thirteen year olds is no big deal…well, there must be something she is doing to give that impression!

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  209. Comment by A.W. — 10/15/2009 @ 4:13 pm

    A.W. Would you like us to trade insults from this point? I can see how you are really spoiling for a little em…..uh…exchange. Your call, buddy.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  210. Still waiting to find out what a racist looks like so I will know when I see one.

    PatAZ (9d1bb3)

  211. And this is the smartest thing evah from the Princess of Projection:

    “…if people accuse you of something you know you are not, don’t give them something to prove it right. In other words, don’t give your enemies ammunition they can use against you. ..”

    Too bad she doesn’t take her own excellent advice!

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  212. A question for the libs:

    Now that Limbaugh has been banned from the ranks of potential NFL owners, how much of a drop can we expect to see in the out-of-wedlock births, crime, STDs, and high school dropout rates that plague the black community?

    Bubba Maximus (456175)

  213. PatAZ, anyone with a picture of a raccoon on their blog is a racist.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  214. Eric….(shakes head..)

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  215. Sighs…..

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  216. Many posters of both genders suspect so, OIDO. Skeezy people are not restricted to XY karyotypes.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  217. SPQR – Mutual masturbation mendacity, perhaps?

    Why do you folks insist on referring to he/she/it as Emperor? At best, it deserves chimperor, or its original name, lovie.

    JD (a6c61b)

  218. I think the Empty Roar is akin to something you find when you turn over a cow-pie.

    AD - RtR/OS! (c5065a)

  219. You wanna know about racims? HERE!

    David Ehrenstein (2550d9)

  220. I used to prefer Bobo Doll, but now it’s just plain old assrapingchildapologist.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  221. Comment by Dmac — 10/15/2009 @ 5:37 pm

    You will always be Doofus to me.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  222. Comment by AD – RtR/OS! — 10/15/2009 @ 5:02 pm
    I would watch that heart now. You don’t want to cause panic. Easy now. We love you!

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  223. Sure thing, assrapingchildapologist. Get used to it, you pedophilic scumbag.

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  224. Comment by Eric Blair — 10/15/2009 @ 4:48 pm
    Get a life, you annoying little pr*ck! You are sooooooo boring. God!!!

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  225. Right, SPQR, I forgot about the racoon picture/racist connection.

    PatAZ (9d1bb3)

  226. Comment by Dmac — 10/15/2009 @ 5:59 pm
    D*ckhead. Now go to your room and beat that dog again. You know you want to.. Go on, doofy.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  227. Why do you folks insist on referring to he/she/it as Emperor? At best, it deserves chimperor, or its original name, lovie.

    Comment by JD — 10/15/2009 @ 4:54 pm

    Well…since JD brought it up this has been bugging me for a while.

    I get why The Emperor is called names around here and given the history of disrespect shown to others it’s certainly understandable (as he said very recently, if one expects respect he must give it first, and even his very early history of commenting –passive aggressive, mood swings etc.–certainly hasn’t). (Later of course the disrespect by him to others just got more blatant.)

    Will just say that speaking strictly for myself, I do it because that is exactly what he calls himself, and calling him The Emperor no matter what means I’m treating him with respect no matter how he treats me or anyone else. It (again, speaking for myelf) makes it all the more satisfying (and unassailable) – and, I think, bugs him more – when I tear into him for accusing others of lying, for falsely accusing them of molesting their children, for being a child rape denier and defender.

    My personal opinion FWIW is that I wish everyone would refer to him as male, as he wants (yes I do suspect him of being a woman; if I’m wrong he’s certainly got a female writing voice) and call him “The Emperor.” With the article – exactly as he wants.

    And then call him “vile assraping child apologist,” “liar” and “passive aggressive troll” because I think it would hurt more coming from people he can’t possibly explain away as just throwing names around.

    But if mockery works for you, guess it’s all good. Perhaps both kinds of us normal people are needed to get through to child-rapist-defending perverts like The Emperor.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  228. noyk, by training I don’t feed into delusions. Besides, “Empty Roar” is inspired.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  229. Comment by The Emperor

    Would you shut the fuck up? I get tired of having to spend so much time scrolling over your shitty ass comments.

    EW1(SG) (edc268)

  230. That is a very good point, noyk. You are a bigger person than I, as I cannot bring myself to even mockingly refer to it by some self-anointed title. I will endeavor to do so, while I puke a little in the back of my mouth.

    JD (6cf6de)


  231. Get a life, you annoying little pr*ck! You are sooooooo boring. God!!!

    Comment by The Emperor — 10/15/2009 @ 6:01 pm


    D*ckhead. Now go to your room and beat that dog again. You know you want to.. Go on, doofy.

    Comment by The Emperor — 10/15/2009 @ 6:11 pm

    And….Two more cross-posted examples to prove my point, right on schedule. BTW, when has Eric Blair (post # 1 above) ever called The Emperor a profane name?

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  232. Maybe I can do this …

    JD, who Chimperor/lovie will now refer to as Sir, or Grand Exalted Superior Human (6cf6de)

  233. Besides, “Empty Roar” is inspired.

    Comment by Stashiu3 — 10/15/2009 @ 6:20 pm

    Yeah, that is pretty darn funny, I have to say. A.W., IIRC..?

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  234. Emp: “The comment “No smoke without fire.” means nothing happens without a cause.”

    It’s still crummy reasoning, but we think the cause is Rush criticized democrats and they attacked Rush with lies. The democrats are actually out in the streets beating up protesters. They lie all the time. Soros paid Media Matters millions to try to destroy Rush. Why isn’t this the simplest and most rational explanation for why Rush is called a racist but every example turns out to be completely wrong?

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  235. I always think it is particularly special when it goes all Beetlejuice on everyone …

    JD, who Chimperor/lovie will now refer to as Sir, or Grand Exalted Superior Human (6cf6de)

  236. Comment by JD, who Chimperor/lovie will now refer to as Sir, or Grand Exalted Superior Human — 10/15/2009 @ 6:24 pm

    ROTFLMHO!!!!!

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  237. Now go to your room and beat that dog again

    How can I, since you assraped the poor thing to death?

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  238. There was no smoke or fire regarding the Duke lacrosse team, yet gullible twits like you bought the whole fabricated story.

    Comment by Official Internet Data Office — 10/15/2009 @ 3:46 pm
    What the F- are you babbling on? What type of people are these?

    Comment by The Emperor — 10/15/2009 @ 3:55 pm

    Emperor, he’s saying that some people buy into charges of racism in a politically charged and hostile way that is convenient to their preconceptions, which themselves are the actual bigottry.

    While thankfully you (apparently) realized that the Duke team did not rape anyone, and the rest of the racism charges were pretty ridiculous, you have believed the same exact race hustlers now when they attack Rush. Admit it… you’re not a fan of Rush. That you’re buying these dumb arguments, and justifying this outrageous treatment, because ‘where there’s smoke, there’s fire’, shows a level of gullibility.

    You aren’t alone. A lot on the right have bought into dumb claims about Obama, just because he’s a mysterious creep. It’s important that we all make sure, when we find a convenient ‘truth’, that we can back up our thinking. I don’t think you’ve done a good job of that.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  239. You know you want to..

    And we all know what you really want to do, don’t we? Shall we describe the heinous crime one more time so that you’ll get all hot and bothered again? What did you say about the description, something about being “disgusted and excited.”

    Dmac (5ddc52)

  240. It was disgusted, and stimulated.

    JD, who Chimperor/lovie will now refer to as Sir, or Grand Exalted Superior Human (692c5d)

  241. “But I’m not anti- Republican. I’m very pro getting people together for the things we all want — good schools, good police and fire protection, a good quality of life.”

    For once, I would love to see a pol like this one just be straight-up honest and say it: I’m anti-Republican. I’m against everything they stand for. And I’m not afraid to admit it.

    I would actually have a bit of respect for the person then. Of course if they were that honest, they would be a pol in the first place. The profession demands and breeds dishonesty and double-speak. One wonders how they have normal relationships in their personal lives….

    Dana (863a65)

  242. Dana – Rachel MadCow did something like that with Tim Phillips on her show tonite. It was journalism at its finest, let me tell you.

    JD, who Chimperor/lovie will now refer to as Sir, or Grand Exalted Superior Human (692c5d)

  243. calls Native Americans “Injuns.”
    Comment by Rob — 10/15/2009 @ 2:02 pm

    Oh noes! The darling hub has referred to me as Injun and even Squaw for 30 years – you you mean he’s been a racist this whole time?!

    Hm….I wonder if the moccasins he bought me were racist too…

    Dana (863a65)

  244. This is not exactly unprecedented: Major League Baseball took action against then-owner of the Cincinnati Reds, Marge Schott, for some of the stuff she said, including banning her from managing the team she owned.

    The Cincinnati Reds fan Dana (474dfc)

  245. Since when is being racist illegal?

    HeavenSent (01a566)

  246. I have no more problem to POTUS calling his White Grandma a “typical white person” anymore than RL saying “the media roots for black QBs for sociological reasons.”

    Fact is both are likely true.

    HeavenSent (01a566)

  247. Also, if I am to believe RL is racist for saying the things he says about Blacks.

    Then you are to believe that Barack Obama is a racist for sitting in a pew for 20 years listening to “kill whitey” sermons.

    HeavenSent (01a566)

  248. Sancho, si vos quieres que yo crea lo que tu viste en el cielo, you quiero que tu creas los que yo he visto en la cueva de Montesinos.

    HeavenSent (01a566)

  249. I believe the term Emperor used was “fag”, but I think it’s more appropriate to call Rachel a masculine lesbian. I don’t mind her for a second, either. She’s a die hard outspoken liberal. She’s not pretending to offer balance.

    I wish all left leaning journalist had the… balls… to do that.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  250. I wish all left leaning journalist had the… balls breasts… to do that.

    Sexist!

    Dana (863a65)

  251. Dear NOYK, #234:

    Just back from taking my two sons to dinner while my wife is out of town. I sort of suspected what I would find when I returned.

    Well, I kinda knew that the spittle flecked profanity would happen. The amusing part, to me, is how this individual has been trying to irritate other people, to get angry reactions. So when that person’s cage is rattled (and let’s face it, John Hitchcock, JD, Dmac, and a few others are peerless at cage rattling), isn’t it ironic that s/he freaks out to all caps and profanity?

    From a person who quotes the Bible? Admittedly, the person finds things in that Bible that sure aren’t there (like the very star-struck definition of “rape”). But many times in the past, this person has claimed all kinds of religious convictions.

    Um. Not so much, I think. It was, and is, part of a juvenile pose. Just like the silly and grandiose claims of bringing “fairness” and “civility” (!) to this comments section.

    So when this person was being all nice to you, I said it was creepy, because I knew what would follow.

    Again, I think the explanation for all this is simple. It could be that s/he is nuttier than a Payday bar. We have a couple of people like that, including a Walter Mitty type who has made any number of Commander McBragg claims about being around famous people (in contradictory ways).

    However, I think this particular s/he is just a typical troll. Trying to irritate people. Speaking Troof to Powder to those awful Rethuglicans. But when the Polanski thing came up, it was too much for me to let go. I honestly don’t think that this character really believes what s/he wrote about Polanski. It was a pose to stir up people.

    But as a father, I have absolute moral authority (remember that MSM nonsense?). Seriously, the idea of someone temporizing and defending the drugging and raping of a 13 year old was too much for me. And the cavalier way in which this person defended repeatedly (then claimed she or he never did, despite the record in the thread) was outrageous.

    But rather than simply leaving the subject alone and changing to a new topic, this person double and tripled down. Getting more and more outrageous.

    She or he even went to claims of being aroused by the horrific testimony of Polanski’s raping of the girl (and I don’t think that the person has actually read the transcript; it was yet more contrarian nuttiness, which certainly seems to make this person feel empowered in some fashion).

    But I do think that the way that the poster has consistently acted since needs to be pointed out. Mocked. Not allowed to go away. Because, in my opinion, the comments about Polanski’s action were so far over the top that they deserve such actions.

    It’s Patterico’s blog, and I notice that he and DRJ have stayed the heck away from this mess. But I believe that people should be held accountable for what they write, especially when it is vile and hypocritical and nasty.

    So everyone can see how this person conducts her or himself. The immaturity. The hypocrisy. The profanity. And the really sick stuff. The person wrote it. She or he owns it.

    The smart move would be to ignore all the jabs, to stay calm and not respond in kind. But the troll cannot help her or himself, apparently. And what is amusing to me about it, is that this was precisely what this person has been trying to do to others. But consistently, the person has not seen the projection (I loved the quote about people holding controversial opinions having to take responsibility for them, when the person has done anything but own her or his words). Not seen the hypocrisy.

    So it is interesting to me to see to what new lows the person will sink. But as a father, I thought the sick commentary about Polanski needed some serious airing, so that other can take this person’s background into account, and see the lack of any credibility (particularly when claiming religious superiority).

    Quite the car crash, though!

    Eric Blair (8484db)

  252. Eric,

    Hope your dinner was nice w/ your wife and sons.

    Agree w/ your comments about the troll and agree that the mask is finally off. People are mentioning on another thread how tiresome it is that this person is getting so much attention and I fully agree. Felt like weighing in on the name issue since JD mentioned it but now that it’s crystal clear to everyone what kind of person we’re dealing with perhaps ignoring as much as humanly possible will produce the inevitable result a bit sooner (outrageousness gets proportional to the ignore factor – not always but a lot).

    You and I have both (along w/ others) probably given the troll much more attention than was warranted the last several days. Understandable given the provocation but (speaking for myself) I feel like sticking with shunning for now as much as I can (it’s tempting, for sure). Remember the DE phase – how nice it was when threads went unhijacked. Hoping for that soon again.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  253. I did, yes, NOYK. I’m not a big fan of Red Robin, but the boys eat a little bit of fruit with their awful chicken strips. And it’s a treat while their mother is at a conference back East. Sigh. I can get them to eat chicken satay at Thai restaurants, and that is a step forward. They will also eat broccoli, which is a good sign.

    As for this awful person, I understand. I was just so outraged over the Polanski issue, and I thought that with some prodding, the “real” troll would gibber and caper on cue. And I was right.

    But ignoring this person is probably the best course. Although I doubt that the creature is through being offensive and juvenile.

    Have a nice evening. I have to grade some papers. Sigh.

    Eric Blair (8484db)

  254. Lovey is refered to Lovey in part because Lovey was Love2008 before it chose a megalomaniacal name. I refuse to use that megalomaniacal name and refer to a nic of the previous name.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  255. Is ‘Love2008′ a Ron Paul reference?

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  256. Well, it seems like one to me. I’m not going to defend the person. I don’t really know ’em and the people who are mad at ’em seem pretty convinced and aren’t crazy on other topics. But if that was my handle last year, I’d change it too. The blimp did not exactly fly very far.

    I don’t know why so many otherwise reasonable people would defend Roman Polanksi. I also don’t know how someone wouldn’t feel sympathy for Rush in this sad attack. But in this thread, I see people made poor arguments, and then walk back from them when called out. That’s a better result than you’ll see in most politics threads.

    The claims about Rush now, that he egged it on by not treading carefully enough, are totally different than the claims made initially… that’s he an actual racist monster. That’s probably part of the reason the actual bloggers don’t have a huge problem with aggressive and antagonistic jerks. It’s usually unproductive, but it’s better than an echo chamber. Sadly, comment sections don’t really get a whole lot better. Anonymity is a powerful thing.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  257. I love how a single liberal can whip the half-dozen regulars here into an extravagantly lathered display of childlike rhetorical self-loathing.

    Ben Creases (2cecfa)

  258. Why would you love that? Because you are a fundamentally healthy person? Do you understand what ‘self loathing’ is? Because your comment appears to deliberately reduce you. There’s no reason for you to hate your brothers just because you disagree with them.

    Read John Stuart Mill and make a choice about what kind of mind you want to have, liberal or not.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  259. I smell Gleen-like people. Anyone else?

    Eric Blair (8484db)

  260. Rachel Madcow is a girl.

    Don’t let the fact that her balls are bigger than
    Olbermonkey’s raisin sack fool you.

    Icy Texan (6fdd44)

  261. “There’s no reason for you to hate your brothers just because you disagree with them.”

    Yet another example of how deeply ingrained the conservatives’ sense of ideological entitlement is.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but some viewpoints are despicable. And if someone makes their living dispensing despicable viewpoints, which is what Rush does, in my view, it’s only rational to despise them.

    Ben Creases (2cecfa)

  262. “..some viewpoints are despicable…”

    Oh, I quite agree. You might ask a certain poster here about that. And I suspect you are quite well acquainted with that person. So to speak.

    I’m not going to take your bait about which of RL’s viewpoints are despicable, since I am very certain you have never listened to him, and instead rely on the august and accurate sources funded by Soros (speaking of despicable people).

    Have a great evening picking sock lint from between your fingers.

    Eric Blair (8484db)

  263. “I smell Gleen-like people.”

    Good boy, Eric. Have a cookie.

    You and Stashiu are now promoted to assistant hall monitors. Stop by the little boys’ room to pick up your arm patches after the Youth for Torture meeting.

    Ben Creases (2cecfa)

  264. And what viewpoints are those, troll? The viewpoint that we need to treat everyone equally without regard to race or nationality? The viewpoint that dishonest liars need called out? What viewpoints, troll?

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  265. You and Stashiu are now promoted to assistant hall monitors.

    Sounds very familiar. I believe you’re right, EB.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  266. Yep, wasn’t sure until that comment. Bye bye Hax/Jackson/Unapologetic Mexican/etc… again. Why embarrass yourself like this?

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  267. What makes you think I am conservative? That I ask you to have an open mind? While you project deeply held psychological problems onto the rest of us, consider why you have to assume everyone you disagree with is an idealogue.

    I love how you assume it’s me who is in the bubble, and that I’m proof that conservatives have an unfounded sense of entitlement… entitlement, of course, to being permitted to act as full fledged citizens and be proud of their views.

    You aren’t really impressed with yourself. You think it’s clever to make absurd comments like that and try to make people angry, but I accept that there are horrible attitudes on the internet… hell, I’m glad for that kind of freedom. That doesn’t bother me. I simply pointed out that you’re making a choice that you can change any time you want.

    If you really knew exactly how Rush was offensive, you would not have to make a weak conclusory argument in an insulting manner. You wouldn’t have to insist we’re all mentally messed up, and reduce yourself to laughing at what you assume is our misery at being exposed to liberalism. You do that because you aren’t enough of a mind to actually argue.

    Even if you’re insincere, and just pathetically trying to generate attention, you’re proving something to yourself. You know you’ve failed to actually make a logical impact, and if you’ve read the thread, you know that Rush’s defense made an impact on many of his destractors. That’s probably too scary for you to really dig into.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  268. Dustin,

    My previous comment at 12:44am referred to “Ben” who was banned from here long ago and returns using different sockpuppets. Everything you said has been explained to him multiple times and will make no difference at all unfortunately. The “journalist” keeps coming back and the new socks are banned pretty quickly now. He was “O’Grady” earlier and was busted.

    He has no interest in honest discussion and I recommend you don’t waste your time on obvious trolls. Ignore them.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  269. Stashiu3, was that really good old Hax? I smelled sock puppet, yes. The sneering tone, the word choice. But good old Hax?

    Who knew?

    Why do they keep returning? Why, you think by now they would be diarists over at DK!

    Eric Blair (8484db)

  270. Sorry for the drama act. It’s sincere, but it’s pretty pointless, and I know I was threadjacking. Dude’s got my sympathy for whatever’s wrong with his life.

    Anyway, here’s Rick Sanchez’s twitter:

    i’ve know rush. in person,i like him. his rhetoric,however is inexcusably divisive. he’s right tho. we didn’t confirm quote. our bad.

    I guess this is supposed to constitute an apology and retraction for the CNN ‘journalist’? After that deeply hateful lie, Rick can’t bear to admit fault without first trying to justify it by condemning Rush in a more vague way. Since Rush’s vague ‘divisiveness’ is relevant somehow to Rick’s relying on wikipedia for a shocking news story.

    Damage is done. Rush had an aspiration to be part of the NFL, and Rick helped ruin that for him, and now it’s ‘our bad’. Not ‘my bad’, as Rick’s a team player in his moment of error. I’m amazed at just how ugly and angry Rick is, in comparison to how jolly and jokey Rush tends to be. But Rush is divisive beyond excuse?

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  271. Is Sanchez that Floridian who did the DUI hit-and-run thing? And the “don’t blood-test me, it’ll harm my reputation” thing?

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  272. Sadly, yes. He badly injured Jeffrey Smuzinick, a proud carpenter. According to Miami New Times, it was an awful ordeal.

    His right side remains largely paralyzed due to massive brain damage, but he can move his left arm and leg and sometimes hold his head upright. Using hand signals, he can answer yes or no to simple questions. Doctors last Friday removed a feeding tube from his trachea, and Smuzinick can now eat liquid foods. [..] Family members say unpaid bills for physical therapy now total about $81,000. To save money, they have removed Smuzinick from the clinic’s head-injury program.

    Rick’s defense was that he left the scene, and then had some drinks to calm down, before returning, and even then, Jeffrey was suffering at the scene while Rick argued that his status as a journalist meant he shouldn’t be damaged with a pesky breathalyzer. The family went on to complain about Sanchez’s attitude towards them. Jeffrey died in a nursing home, worse than merely killed by a drunk driver.

    Another Rick Sanchez twitter:

    do u know how much money i’d make if i’d sold out as hispanic and worked at fox news, r u kidding, one problem, looking in mirror.

    This is the man who, in his retraction, complains that Rush in inexcusably divisive. He’s such a ridiculous hack, and expects us to be able to unite behind his political views. All the way to where we can’t even excuse Rush for daring to disagree. Complete intolerance.

    This is the face of CNN, which sadly, is not a low point for the Saddam accomplices.

    …. you could say I have a problem with them.

    Dustin (bb61e3)

  273. Comment by Eric Blair — 10/15/2009 @ 8:01 pm
    Very looooooooooooong speech, Eric. I was beginning to …..(yawn)…….. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz….

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  274. This person is a childassrapeapologist and is stimulated by the testimony of a rape victim.

    JD (b63e69)

  275. I agree completely, JD. Immature, nasty, and just around to play foolish games. But she was caught out. Keep in mind: she posts to bring civility and fairness to this comments section.

    Um. Not so much.

    And remember: this one thinks it is funny to joke about rape. Also, misquotes the Bible and claims to be religious.

    While shrieking in all caps. Oh, and getting aroused by reading rape testimony of 13 year olds.

    Hardly an Emperor at all. More like a sick little child.

    Eric Blair (8484db)

  276. “…Sorry to burst your bubble, but some viewpoints are despicable. And if someone makes their living dispensing despicable viewpoints, which is what Rush does(My edit and correction to “ben”)>Liberal Liars do<, in my view, it’s only rational to despise them.

    Comment by Ben Creases — 10/16/2009 @ 12:25 am

    Now, I openly edited "ben's" quote to make a point. If it isn't clear, you are too stupid to own a computer.

    [note: fished from spam filter. –Stashiu]

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  277. The Empty Roar

    Hey, here’s a hint. Don’t say something idiotic and I won’t call it idiotic.

    It is idiotic to say no one ever makes crap up about people. Sheesh. Have you never heard of a false accusation? Well, let me introduce you to the Duke Lacrosse team. Or Richard Jewell for that matter. Mr. Jewell is rightly considered a hero, but he was smeared in the press while the real bomber, Eric Rudolph, laughed.

    So “where there is smoke there is fire” is complete crap. Just admit that you have no reliable source for the charge of racism, period.

    NOYK

    > A.W., IIRC..?

    God, I don’t even remember anymore to tell the truth.

    A.W. (b1db52)

  278. A.W.
    I am not the one accusing Rush L. of racism, bro. So pipe down a bit. My point has been that he said things that gave his enemies ammunition to use against him. You are beating against the air here. chill.

    The Emperor (1b037c)

  279. First, yes you did accuse him of being racist, or at least of saying racist things and somehow looking like a racist does.

    Second, there is no way to fairly call a person a racist unless you can show they said something racist.

    A.W. (b1db52)

  280. The Emporer is both a sexist and a racist.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  281. Actually, thanks PCD.

    The Emperor (1b037c)

  282. I notice the hypocrisy of Goodell and the liberals here. How can all of you not demand these minority owners of the Miami Dolphins not be removed for these offensive statements and actions?

    http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/sright/2009/10/16/nfl-owners-who-use-the-n-word-and-wet-their-pants-on-stage/print/

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  283. PCD-Do you have Goodell’s voting records at your disposal?

    I followed the link to your web page. You should hire an editor.

    reality4life (527115)

  284. “…he said things that gave his enemies ammunition to use against him…”

    Now that is funny. The Princess of Projection, yet again!

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  285. Comment by Eric Blair — 10/16/2009 @ 8:42 am

    Should I call you Erika? You are beginning to sound like my grand aunt. Okay, Erika, having fun?

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  286. 290, Why? All editors are paid liars to give the appearance of fact checking. Have yet to meet a news editor who wasn’t the direct philosophical descendant of Dr. Josef Goebbels.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  287. So when I read:

    “…I am not the one accusing Rush L. of racism…”

    I think of how honest, civil, and fair minded that person has been, repeatedly. When s/he isn’t making juvenile comments, I mean.

    John Hitchcock and a few others reminded me:

    http://patterico.com/2009/10/13/rush-limbaugh-plantation-owner/#comment-566859

    Of course, we will soon learn about shaving language so very finely that WJC would approve. Perhaps the person meant “Rush Lindberg” when s/he wrote “Rush L.”

    Sometimes, I think that trolls don’t even remember what they post. Probably a good idea, given the skeezy commentary produced by this person.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  288. Lovey, how about we call you, “dog turd”?

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  289. I followed the link to your web page. You should hire an editor.

    Comment by reality4life — 10/16/2009 @ 8:34 am

    Bwaha ha Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  290. Nice proof again of your great maturity!

    I called you the Princess of Projection because many people, myself included, think you are female. It’s not an insult, it’s based on your posting style. And I call you that because you have repeatedly snidely commented on people doing things that you do yourself repeatedly. And you seem hilariously unaware of the fact.

    As soon as you start acting decently, other people will too. But the troll nonsense will get you ignored or slapped around. Which your behavior richly merits.

    Clowns should be funny. Except John Wayne Gacey.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  291. Sorry about the clown thing, JD.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  292. Well, in the case of your comments about health care I think an editor would urge you to be more clear about what in the heck you are talking about. I have no idea what your point is.

    reality4life (527115)

  293. I’m not sure if I would argue with PCD, Emperor. Judging from his posts and his site I don’t believe that he is capable of rational thought.

    reality4life (4a7192)

  294. I called you the Princess of Projection because many people, myself included, think you are female
    Comment by Eric Blair — 10/16/2009 @ 8:55 am

    Erika,
    Even when I have on occasions stated that I am not female but a male. Yet you insist that I am an “it” or a “she”. Are you an idiot?

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  295. Reality, you are a sock puppet of whom?

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  296. Um. Hey, reality4life, did you actually just criticize someone’s language and grammar? I just wanted to be sure, based on your own posts.

    It’s fine to disagree with substance. But glass houses and all that.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  297. 302, Dog Turd, you lie so often, we assume you are lying about everything, including your gender.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  298. You continue to amuse, Polanski-defender.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  299. Oh. And is all the cursing in the Bible, too? Right next to your “Biblical” definition of rape? I’m just asking.

    Have you been to your pastor yet?

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  300. The Empty Roar

    > Apologies to homosexuals.

    You know, if i was gay, that caveat wouldn’t make it okay. i mean seriously, i could picture you at a party.

    “Man i can’t stand them damn n—-rs. Apologies to black people.”

    Personally i can’t stand pedos. (Apologies to The Emperor.)

    A.W. (b1db52)

  301. Eric, Reality just thinks they are cute. Can’t refute a thing I said, so has to try to hurt my feelings.

    Reality sockpuppet, I am not a liberal fool like you are. Your puny words do not wound me mortally like criticisms wound you grievously.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  302. Comment by reality4life — 10/16/2009 @ 9:14 am
    Yet he leaves his desolate, unsuccessful blog to come over to a successful blog to pick quarrels and call names. If only he would dedicate that time to actually see how to make his blog work. (shakes head..)

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  303. The opposition to Rush Limbaugh centers around his demand the NFL’s TV ban on showing cheerleaders be lifted. Guys like to see happy, healthy, great looking girls in skimpy outfits cheering for the players, the owners do too, but they’re scared fat, ugly, jealous, NOW hags will call them names.

    ropelight (d9d0b1)

  304. 309, Lovey, you have no blog. You are just a lonely, unsuccessful assrapist.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  305. Comment by PCD — 10/16/2009 @ 9:40 am

    Better to not have a blog than to own a very unsuccessful one, pissofshitCD. Now get back there and make it happen, lazy man!

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  306. Better to not have a blog than to own a very unsuccessful one, pissofshitCD.
    Comment by The Emperor — 10/16/2009 @ 9:52 am

    Did you forget that some of us already know you have a VERY unsuccessful blog yourself lovey? And that you sockpuppeted your own blog to praise yourself? You probably didn’t know that I screencapped it just in case you decided to scrub it later. Just as well.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  307. Did you forget that some of us already know you have a VERY unsuccessful blog yourself lovey? And that you sockpuppeted your own blog to praise yourself? You probably didn’t know that I screencapped it just in case you decided to scrub it later. Just as well.

    Comment by Stashiu3 — 10/16/2009 @ 10:02 am

    Is that for real? That is absolutely flipping PRICE. LESS. Please, a link if you have it handy. LOL

    no one you know (7a9144)

  308. Comment by Stashiu3 — 10/16/2009 @ 10:02 am

    So? Do you still see me add it to my screen name? No. I have removed it. Besides, I was just trying out my hands. Nothing serious. This is why I have great respect for Patterico. Owning and running a blog as successful as this ain’t easy. Weak defense still.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  309. noyk,

    Yes, absolutely real. Go here. Clicking the second “Emperor7″ link will get you to lovey’s VERY unsuccessful blog with a comment by Nemesis, lovey’s profile name. You’ll find the comment here until lovey scrubs it, but as I said, I have screencaps. 😉

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  310. This is for Erika. Deuteronomy 22:23-24.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  311. So once again Empty Roarer is projecting his own deficiencies and shortcomings on to others.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  312. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022:25-27&version=NIV

    Deuteronomy 22:25-27 (New International Version)

    25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor, 27 for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  313. No means no, Lovey. Ignoring “NO” means rape, Lovey.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  314. Comment by The Emperor — 10/16/2009 @ 10:15 am

    Just demonstrating your hypocrisy and the extreme irony of you criticizing someone else’s blog. It’s what I do, de-pants expose (difficult to find a word that won’t “stimulate” you) point out dishonesty.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  315. The Dog Turd just got pants by Stashiu3. Couldn’t happen to a more mendacious assrapist.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  316. @320
    The operational word here is scream. Scream for help.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  317. The operational word here is scream. Scream for help.
    Comment by The Emperor — 10/16/2009 @ 10:42 am

    There you have it, lovey just proved that mutes cannot be raped. Google it!

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  318. Comment by PCD — 10/16/2009 @ 10:39 am
    Still doesn’t erase the fact that you are a blog failure. Follow my example, close it down. Or get back there and make it work. This is a friendly advice. (can’t believe I just said that.)
    And oh, you are still a piss-of-stinking-taliban-sh*t!

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  319. Still doesn’t erase the fact that you are a blog failure.
    Comment by The Emperor — 10/16/2009 @ 10:50 am

    You mean it doesn’t erase the fact you said you don’t have a blog.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  320. The Empty Roar

    Wow, you are an idiot.

    Here’s a hint. First, the bible has been translated and retranslated numerous times. And indeed some translations are controversial.

    For instance, when it says thou shalt not kill in the ten commandments, jews will point out the Hebrew word is actually better translated as “murder” which is slightly different, you know?

    So parsing it is an idiot exercise.

    Second, just because as an example they point out that screaming would have done her no good doesn’t mean she has to scream in order for it to be rape.

    Remind me not to leave you alone with any woman, given your pig attitude. Apparently no doesn’t mean no with you, only screaming and fighting.

    and, btw, in the law no does mean no. you are not obligated to fight or scream although i would recommend doing both.

    A.W. (b1db52)

  321. Dog turd, there is nothing friendly about you, assrapist. You are too stupid to understand that you admitted to being a failure, and then you lied about it.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  322. A.W., I didn’t know the Bible was translated into assrapist.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  323. You mean it doesn’t erase the fact you said you don’t have a blog.

    Comment by Stashiu3 — 10/16/2009 @ 10:57 am

    There is a big difference between “had” and “have”. But I don’t expect idiots like you to grasp that. Too much English.
    Hint: Unlike pissofsh*t, I don’t have a blog link attached to my screen name. Because I no longer consider myself a blog owner. But your idiocy won’t let you make that connection.

    The Emperor (0c8c2c)

  324. It exists, you own it. You lied. Can’t parse your way past it. I mock you with the truth.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  325. My GOD is Dog Turd dysfunctional! It can’t distinguish between fact and fiction. No wonder its posts are disjointed hate and gibberish.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  326. Dog Turd, I suggest you get your money back from the “doctor” you are seeing and are trying to get others to see. You aren’t getting cured. In fact, find a real doctor who didn’t get their diploma from a diploma mill on the Internet.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  327. PCD, Re #329

    Well, its known as the Bible of the Super Adventure Club.

    Heh.

    A.W. (b1db52)

  328. Ah, the link didn’t work. here’s the address

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Return_of_Chef

    A.W. (b1db52)

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  330. Hey, Dmac, did you see Ehrenstein himself came here and reminded you that the “phrase” stolen by Limbaugh and Shanklin was and is racially sensitive.

    Oh, and could we have more of Donald Faison’s fictional character judging racial sensitivity in America? That was hysterical: “Rush can do it, because Turk on Scrubs did it!” Genius analysis.

    Oh, and SPQR, I get it, you don’t like me. Now, try and think of anything, anything else to talk about.

    timb (449046)

  331. timb – Trying to imagine caring what David Ehrenstein says about anything. Still trying.
    Nope, not getting there.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  332. This week has brought all of the creepy trolls out of the woodwork.

    JD (769f99)

  333. trolls and spammers the spam filter didn’t catch?

    Oh, and I’m planning on a little quick research to do a “seek and destroy” mission, if you know what I mean. Might have to do a write-up and stick it in “my documents” for later usage.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

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