Myron – One of the great joys for me in this debate is reading the comments of progressives such as yourself who are obviously uninterested in digging into the details of how these programs will actually work. Your blythe dismissal of funding as an issue which can be worked out later is a classic symptom of a belief that the government (a public option) will solve all our problems and has an endless supply of money or will take enough away from other people to pay for what it needs to accomplish. Funding is an issue central to reform, since it involve costs after the bill is passed. The examples we have seen show the provisions which the Democrats are pushing actually lead to higher prices for health insurance, less choice, and ultimately rationing, things which Obama pledged to avoid. By ignoring the examples already in place you are turning a blind eye to what is likely to happen and showing you are fundamentally unserious about actual reform.

There is a reason people here do not take you seriously Myron. It’s because you do not take the issues seriously yourself and just repeat surface level talking points your read on other blogs.

You are not being merely silly, Myron. You are being dishonest. Life expectancy is not strongly correlated with universal health insurance – which is the claim you deceptively intend to make.

And you know this. This is not an accidental distortion on your part from ignorance. You actually know you are being dishonest, Myron.

So we can’t work out Medicare and SS funding but the new program’s funding can be worked out.

And one of the great joys of this debate for me has been watching Republicans zealously defend Medicare, a program they once vigorously opposed. It puts a smile on my face. Bold prediction: Down the road, maybe after we’re gone and nobody can say I wasn’t right, there will be Republicans defending universal coverage.

So what were the Republicans claiming about Medicare back then? That the cost would explode the budget, among other things.

Opponents claim Obamacare will increase costs, reduce choice and result in rationing. So what’s Myron’s response? The Republicans support Medicare now.

So what should we conclude based on Myron’s flow of logic? That Obamacare will increase costs, reduce choice, result in rationing and that Republicans will be supporting it by then. And that will make him happy.

Yes, silly me, I will cling to the “fraudulent” claim that living longer is a sign of good health.

It is also a sign of avoiding death by accident or homicide.

Myself and doctors, who by a firm majority, support a bill with a public option.

But that’s been debunked so often that you’d think they would give up repeating it.

No, they don’t give up. Because fraudulent arguments are their core arguments.