Obama Speaks
[Guest post by DRJ]
He’s spoken a lot in the past two years but tonight is billed as a ‘make or break’ speech for President Obama. Here are two guesses on his strategy:
“So what tack will the embattled president take tonight in his speech? Will he be the earnest Harvard guy, making his best arguments for his legislative initiative, illustrating that he truly believes that this will pass or go down in defeat based on merit — and keep that attitude if it fails? Or will he resort to the usual Democrat tactics of playing the victim of politics, slamming Republicans and other opponents of the bill and employing his very best Saul Alinsky scorched-earth methods, designed to shout down all opposing voices?”
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Also, consider this an open thread for Obama’s speech.
— DRJ
I’m expecting no new proposals, but Obama will repeatedly claim that he’s “always” said that the public option is the best thing but that he’ll stop short of claiming it is a veto if not there. His speech will be spun as saying a lot of things that he’ll never actually say.
And we’ll get a couple of anecdotes that will turn out to be misrepresented and the repetition of long debunked statistical claims like the 46 million uninsured.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/9/2009 @ 4:32 pmOh, and the first person singular pronoun will get the workout of its entire existance.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/9/2009 @ 4:38 pmRegardless of the outcome of the speach, the mainstream press with sing the praises of Barackula to the high heavens. Remember, this is their guy and he is perceived to be in trouble, and righfully so. They will not let him fail. And as Chris Matthews said it is his job to make Barackula sucessful. This will start minutes after the speach is over and continue for several days.
BT (78b929) — 9/9/2009 @ 4:40 pmIn other words, the same old thing. Not exactly the right word, but ….
PatAZ (9d1bb3) — 9/9/2009 @ 4:40 pmBT is objectively racist. And prolly a Cubs fan.
JD (5b1232) — 9/9/2009 @ 4:42 pmMaybe someday, BO will cure my poor spelling.
BT (78b929) — 9/9/2009 @ 4:43 pmLibtards are busy getting the pews cleaned.
HeavenSent (01a566) — 9/9/2009 @ 4:44 pmMy guess is that Obama will include anecdotes about real Americans, some of whom will be sitting in the balcony with Michelle, who are the victims of heartrending health care stories. Bloggers will Google them.
DRJ (6a2898) — 9/9/2009 @ 4:44 pmBO does not cure bad spelling. It does keep people at a safe distance.
JD (5b1232) — 9/9/2009 @ 4:45 pmDammit, JD, I thought of calling you a racist and didn’t because I wanted to be nice for once. But I have to admit, you have half of it right, I am really a Sox fan.
BT (78b929) — 9/9/2009 @ 4:45 pmBy the way, The Emperor, have you read HR 3218, HR 3400 or HR 2520?
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/9/2009 @ 4:48 pmLovey’s out getting buggered by the camels right now.
daleyrocks (718861) — 9/9/2009 @ 5:06 pmBrian Williams is confusing health care with health insurance.
We’re going to hear a lot about stability and security.
daleyrocks (718861) — 9/9/2009 @ 5:08 pm“I am really a Sox fan.”
There’s two possibilities here.
If you’re a White Sox fan, you’re a racist.
If you’re a Red Sox fan, you’re a commie.
Dave Surls (fb5e8a) — 9/9/2009 @ 5:09 pmThe libtards are getting steamy under the silk, hoping he reads a good speech.
daleyrocks (718861) — 9/9/2009 @ 5:14 pmDave Surls, I am not a commie.
BT (78b929) — 9/9/2009 @ 5:27 pmSame opportunity as congressmen.
imdw (c5488f) — 9/9/2009 @ 5:34 pmThis is setting up to be a game changer for Obama.
The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding (0c8c2c) — 9/9/2009 @ 5:34 pmOh Noes, here come those bureaucrats to wring savings out of the system, but not death panels, cause that’s a lie.
daleyrocks (718861) — 9/9/2009 @ 5:51 pm#18- Home runs tend to do that.
DCSCA (9d1bb3) — 9/9/2009 @ 5:51 pmAnd here I’m hoping for Casey at the Bat.
Soronel Haetir (2b4c2b) — 9/9/2009 @ 5:56 pmThe system is broken.
We need to fix it.
We will, and it won’t cost an extra dime.
There is so much waste in the current system that we can cut, like in Medicare and Medicaid. Yes, that’s what I said, and no there is no logical inconsistency there, because I am the one we have been waiting for.
Yes, I said 3 trillion dollars off of the deficit if we cut health care spending by 0.1%
Everyone knows the world will come to an end if we do nothing, so you need to agree to do it my way.
I need to stop now, I can’t stand it anymore…
MD in Philly (d4f9fa) — 9/9/2009 @ 5:57 pmIt would if it was a home run, not more lies.
daleyrocks (718861) — 9/9/2009 @ 5:57 pmYawn! Unpack it. What was new?
daleyrocks (718861) — 9/9/2009 @ 5:58 pmhow is $1T 0.1% of the budget? I’m not getting this.
steve miller (c5e78c) — 9/9/2009 @ 5:59 pm“It’s a moral issue, and even though knowing when life begins is above my pay grade, I do know when life ends, and it will save health care costs and stop punishing people who need to care for sick loved ones….”
How in the world do people believe this?
MD in Philly (d4f9fa) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:00 pm“how is $1T 0.1% of the budget? I’m not getting this.”
Over 100 Years.
daleyrocks (718861) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:03 pmThey willingly suspend their adult minds because National Father will take care of them.
steve miller (c5e78c) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:04 pmVintage Obama:
And then:
He’d make an awesome college football or basketball coach.
DRJ (6a2898) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:04 pmImmediately after the speech, I think he said to some Republicans: “I told you I wanted all those ideas and I meant it.”
DRJ (6a2898) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:07 pmObama math is pretty hilarious.
DRJ, he’d make a crappy sports coach because he ignores all the technical aspects of the game and thinks that one speech makes up for that. Its why he’s a crappy President.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:15 pm@20
The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding (0c8c2c) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:16 pmYeah!
A home run? Yeah, like in the Home Run Derby where softballs are pitched.
This was a mediocre speech from an overrated mediocrity.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:18 pmObama gave a thoroughly partisan speech, which tells you who the audience was. Obviously intended to prop up his sagging base and excite the MSM.
Karl (246941) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:21 pmDid someone shout at the President? Calling him a liar while he was speaking? Wonderful.
The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding (0c8c2c) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:26 pmJust think about it … we spend more than any other country and are no healthier ( which actually is unrelated ) so if we spend $2 trillion more, we’ll actually be spending a lot less magically …
Obama math is really bizarre.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:26 pmThis was a mediocre speech from an overrated mediocrity.
Comment by SPQR — 9/9/2009 @ 6:18 pm
The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding (0c8c2c) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:29 pmYeah and cows sing and birds swim and dogs get married….
His strategy is to bore people so that they quit showing up to congressional townhalls.
It won’t work.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:33 pmHow I wish “Pinocchio” wasn’t just a fairy tale.
There would be enough work for 1,000 ENT’s without the need to touch even one tonsil.
MD in Philly (d4f9fa) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:34 pmIs there going to be some sort of prize for the first Patterico reader to find a slavering write-up in the MSM? If so, I’m going straight to newsweek.com, or may be Joe Klein at Time’s blog.
JVW (d1215a) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:37 pmIt’s as if the town halls never happened. He’s going ahead full throttle, just get out of his way.
And he had the ultimate sympathy card, which he shamelessly played tonight: Ted Kennedy’s widow and children, teary-eyed and pained.
Dana (863a65) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:39 pmActually Dana, I think he sort of praised the town hall protestors … you know, the Nazi lying ones.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:41 pmDana,
As per my prior comment, this was a partisan speech, trying to rally his base(s).
Dragging Ted’s corpse into his speech isn’t going to change any minds. It’s purely designed to try to stem his loss of support among Democrats.
Karl (246941) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:41 pmWell, SPQR, he paid lip service to them anyway. I have not once (and not tonight either) heard him address the specifics of town hallers. To start with: why won’t Congress have to take the public option if the American public is going to? Etc.
Dana (863a65) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:43 pmI can’t think of an acceptable excuse for being someone what can truthfully say they listened to dear leader’s dirty socialist health care exhortations. I really can’t. Our whole little country was founded on the notion that we were so over that crap. You can maybe come up with a rationalization why you listened to it, but you’ll still the rest of your whole life be someone what can never get that time back. It’s just gone.
happyfeet (6b707a) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:45 pmAs I said, Karl, a sympathy card. He played it well.
Dana (863a65) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:46 pmSPQR,
The college coaches I know don’t coach as much as they motivate, and that’s what I think Obama was doing here: Motivating his team.
DRJ (6a2898) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:55 pmDRJ, indeed. With a partisan speech. Blaming Bush and Republicans when he can’t get all the Democrats behind a single piece of legislation. Just another example of how all the claims about Obama “reaching across the aisle” are BS.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:57 pmDeficit neutral? You have got to be f*cking kidding me. Deficit neutral. I guess the CBO is lying.
DRJ – Had my college coach talked like this, he would have lost the entire lockerroom.
JD (d75a47) — 9/9/2009 @ 6:58 pmDid someone shout at the President? Calling him a liar while he was speaking? Wonderful.
Comment by The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding — 9/9/2009 @ 6:26 pm
Indeed, Obama is a Liar. Whether he is talking about his uncle liberating Auschwitz, or not covering illegals with his nationalized healthcare, there is no doubt – Obama LIES.
The good Mr. Wilson simply was about to sip from the koolaid cup tonight.
Matador (ad4464) — 9/9/2009 @ 7:03 pmThe good Mr. Wilson simply was NOT about to sip from the koolaid cup tonight. ARGH!
Matador (ad4464) — 9/9/2009 @ 7:04 pmJD,
Maybe that’s why my teams lose so much.
DRJ (6a2898) — 9/9/2009 @ 7:05 pmDRJ/SPRQ:
Obama would be a horrible college coach for the following reasons:
1. He would hire a bunch of incompetents as his assistants — they would be diverse and highly admired within a small sector of the coaching community, but they would mostly be seen as mediocrities.
2. He would recruit blue-chip prospects for the first few years by making outlandish promises about playing time, accommodations, school work, living arrangements, etc., promises that he would quickly abandon. The blue chips would eventually learn that his promises are phony, and they would no longer consider his school.
3. He would alienate his athletic director, the media, and the alumni by reacting in an outraged and hypersensitive manner to any criticism of his style and methods. That would wear thin very quickly.
4. He would be the type of coach that always had his eye on a pro job, and he would annually mull over moving up to the big leagues and leaving his current job behind.
5. He would freeze up during games when it came time to make definitive decision such as “should we call a time out here,” or “do I remove this starter and put in a bench player.” He would delegate the decision to someone else, then kick them to the curb if it turned out to be incorrect.
You are right though that he would give a hell of a locker room speech.
JVW (d1215a) — 9/9/2009 @ 7:11 pmHave any of you turned on MSNBC? Suffice it to say that they are deep-throating Teh One.
JD (c26e0b) — 9/9/2009 @ 7:15 pmYou forget, JVW, that he would not actually have any experience in the game himself.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/9/2009 @ 7:16 pm“Obama would be a horrible college coach for the following reasons:”
I think this is a humorous new standard by which to measure presidents.
“To start with: why won’t Congress have to take the public option if the American public is going to? Etc.”
He addressed this by saying people won’t have to take the public option. And by saying the exchange is a system similar to the one used by congress.
imdw (f31c8b) — 9/9/2009 @ 7:21 pmDana (46),
Ted is only a sympathy card with (some) Democrats. He’s a highly polarizing figure. It’s only well-played if the point was to prop up the base, not caring if you turned off Indies and GOPers. So to that extent, we may agree.
Karl (246941) — 9/9/2009 @ 7:23 pmAt the Ralph’s checkout this week there’s three magazines with that Kennedy douchebag what past his ex-date in the cover leering at you. So, there might could be a modicum of synergy.
happyfeet (6b707a) — 9/9/2009 @ 7:26 pmThey’re Special Douchebag Commemoration Issues. Mostly they’re just for collecting, not reading.
happyfeet (6b707a) — 9/9/2009 @ 7:28 pmI think this is a humorous new standard by which to measure presidents.
Well, some of us have moved beyond the whole “He cares for people like me” standard.
Have you heard P.J. O’Rourke’s way of judging which politician to vote for? You figure out which one of them you would hire to mow your lawn. He has a hilarious riff from way back when on how Clinton, Gore, Dole, and Gingrich would perform in that capacity.
JVW (d1215a) — 9/9/2009 @ 7:33 pmHow kinda dead this thread is so far is not what little president man was shooting for I don’t think.
happyfeet (6b707a) — 9/9/2009 @ 7:33 pmimdw – How did he explain away the deficits that the CBO states are unsustainable, and keep a straight face when he claims it will be deficit neutral? Don’t you get tired of having to run out and be his little b*tch?
JD (4ca6eb) — 9/9/2009 @ 7:37 pm“Obama Speaks”
I read the speech.
Same old commie drivel…different day.
Dave Surls (6e6228) — 9/9/2009 @ 7:42 pmComment by JD — 9/9/2009 @ 7:37 pm
Don’t you understand, JD? Obama will pay for all of this with the savings from Operation Iraq Feedom (nevermind our obligations to continue helping Iraq rebuild), from Afghanistan (at least when the left forces him to abandon the cause there), and from ending “tax cuts for the rich.” Because, you now, nothing can possibly happen overseas or at home in the next seven years that would potentially lead to any new spending. Not like when that damn Bush cut taxes, even though he knew that in a few short months we would be attacked by Islamic terrorists and would have to spend a great deal of money rebuilding the economy and fighting two wars. Obama can funnel all sorts of money into health care because he knows deep down that educrats won’t be clamoring for more education spending and feminists won’t start making noise about daycare subsidies and environmentalists won’t keep pushing cap and trade and other versions of the carbon tax. Trust him, this will signify the end of the Obama spending spree, and we’ll now turn our attention to deficit reduction.
JVW (d1215a) — 9/9/2009 @ 8:10 pmThe insistence on lying about this being deficit neutral is an albatross that should be hung around his head at every opportunity.
JD (e69a5a) — 9/9/2009 @ 8:13 pmEven if it is deficit neutral (I know, it clearly ain’t), does Obama really have such a lack of self awareness that he thinks he can talk about the deficit? It’s like the Cookie Monster selling Atkins Diet books.
Obama is the deficit. If it’s so bad, then why did Obama let it get so high? Whenever the word ‘deficit’ comes out of his mouth, people remember why they can’t trust this irresponsible ‘leader’.
Juan (bd4b30) — 9/9/2009 @ 8:19 pmI’ve given up on Obama ever being fiscally responsible, but my Congresswoman fancies herself a Blue Dog Democrat and I am going to badger her to go on record as promising a deficit neutral health care bill (she is already on record as supporting the public option in full) and I will also challenge her to pledge to support cutting the deficit back to 2007 levels by 2012.
JVW (d1215a) — 9/9/2009 @ 8:22 pm#51- GOP Rep. Joe Wilson has apologized for yelling out “You lie!” to Obama during his health care speech in front of Congress:
“This evening I [Congressman Joe Wilson, (R), South Carolina] let my emotions get the best of me when listening to the President’s remarks regarding the coverage of illegal immigrants in the health care bill. While I disagree with the President’s statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the President for this lack of civility.”
The non-partisan organization FactCheck.org has debunked the claim that health care reform would mandate coverage for illegal immigrants.
During President Obama’s major health care speech on Wednesday, South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson (R) yelled out “You lie!” when the President said the legislation would not mandate coverage for undocumented immigrants. – source HuffingtonPost.com
DCSCA (9d1bb3) — 9/9/2009 @ 9:06 pmThey debunked a claim not made. Whoopee!
JD (453b7a) — 9/9/2009 @ 9:14 pmIf I recall correctly, President Obama used to say that 46 million people couldn’t get or did not have medical insurance. Tonight the President said,
It appears to me that the number used tonight by the President was meant to exclude illegal immigrants from the discussion.
However, are there really 30,000,000 Americans who “cannot get coverage,” or is the number of uninsured about 30,000,000 with many of those either not covered as a matter of choice (e.g., healthy people who would rather spend their money on something other than insurance) or those in a temporarily uninsured condition?
In other words, what is the size of the population of Americans who actually cannot get coverage?
Ira (28a423) — 9/9/2009 @ 9:14 pmJVW #53,
I don’t want to sound like a cynic because I really like sports but that sounds like a few of the coaches I’ve run into. Politicians, too.
DRJ (6a2898) — 9/9/2009 @ 9:24 pmAstute observation. I bet you’re right, and I’m glad. At least Obama is admitting the injustice that awaits us when this bill goes for a vote or returns from conference without enforcement against illegals getting coverage. Obama seems to have very little control over what congress does, though.
Juan (bd4b30) — 9/9/2009 @ 9:31 pmDCSCA, that’s like saying that Texas doesn’t mandate Honda Accords being allowed to drive on the streets.
If they don’t prevent it, it’s going to happen. The democrats mandated illegals getting healthcare when they voted down SAVE enforcement meant to keep illegals from getting health care.
People care about this stuff, and are learning how to go around ‘factcheck’, NYT, CNN, and CBS news to get info. As soon as they figure out how this works, they no longer trust you guys. That’s why Obama’s sunk in the polls. Americans are optimistic and bought Obama’s promises, but the illusion was temporary.
Juan (bd4b30) — 9/9/2009 @ 9:34 pm“Some of people’s concerns have grown out of bogus claims spread by those whose only agenda is to kill reform at any cost. The best example is the claim, made not just by radio and cable talk show hosts, but prominent politicians, that we plan to set up panels of bureaucrats with the power to kill off senior citizens. Such a charge would be laughable if it weren’t so cynical and irresponsible. It is a lie, plain and simple.”–El Jefe
You liberal Democrats have already set up panels of bureaucrats with the power to kill off people…and the bureaucrats did so, while spewing lie, after lie, after lie to the people you were killing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment
When I say I don’t trust you, I’m not being cynical, I’m being realistic, sport, and my agenda is to make sure I don’t wind up like other victims of government controlled health care have wound up…untreated and dead.
Dave Surls (6e6228) — 9/9/2009 @ 9:49 pmDCSCA…if it doesn’t mandate coverage, will it simply allow coverage for illegal aliens?
If he law doesn’t specifically mandate OR PREVENT, doesn’t it simply then just allow???
Seems to be how S/S was given to illegal aliens….the law didn’t mandate, or prevent, so the SCOTUS simply allowed it after a lawsuit….
Next!
reff (502473) — 9/9/2009 @ 9:56 pmObama was told not to feed the gorillas in the zoo. He threw a bunch of bananas on the ground, and didn’t specifically mandate gorillas would eat them. When he swore up and down he didn’t feed the animals, the zookeeper called him a liar.
Factcheck.org notes that there was no mandate inherent in the free bananas thrown where gorillas could get them. Unless Obama wrote ‘for gorillas’ on the bananas, all Obama did was make another fruity throw.
Juan (bd4b30) — 9/9/2009 @ 10:01 pmSince he didn’t say anything new or really informative, what was the purpose of this dog and pony show?
Showing Dems he’s out there pitching? Another narcissistic spasm? Does anybody think the Big O persuaded anyone?
jodetoad (059c35) — 9/9/2009 @ 10:46 pmOnce again I see you folks are feeling sorry for yourself and wallowing in self pity. All Republicans can do is obstruct and call names and then like school house bullies cry when someone hits back.. Y
VietnamEraVet (9f20cf) — 9/10/2009 @ 4:51 amYou would think that after the obvious failures of the last administration you would see the light..
The real question is why I or anyone even tries to discuss anything with people who think Sarah Palin is an intellectual and who insist Obama was not born in the US, has death panels in mind, is a racist, is creating socialized medicine..and on and on.
Same crap said about social security and medicare. Check out what Reagan said about medicare being the end of freedom! What a clown he was.
I especially have to laugh at worries about deficits coming from Republicans who apparently again have shown that elephants have short memories.
You really need to go to a shrink and tell him you are having trouble telling the difference between fantasy and reality..and tell them its something to do with your disbelief a black man could ever become President….
No wallowing in self-pity here, just pity for those impressed by fast talk with less than nothing to back it up.
I would have been happy to vote for a black man for president, one who deserved to be president by the content of his character not simply by the color of his skin. I bet there are at least 100 with more executive experience than Obama who I would have voted for if given the chance, probably many of them over McCain as well.
MD in Philly (d4f9fa) — 9/10/2009 @ 5:49 am“I would have been happy to vote for a black man for president.”
Good. Have a cookie.
Unapologetic Mexican (fb1df1) — 9/10/2009 @ 6:04 amThe trolls have been remarkable, everywhere. This really got them riled up.
JD (0c93ec) — 9/10/2009 @ 6:42 amLove how Vet throws in the race card for no purpose whatsoever other than to call Republicans racist. Take your meds b/f heading out to your anti-war protest.
With respect to Unapologetic Mexican, please. No one give a crap you are Mexican — and certainly since it is information which adds nothing to discussion. Get over yourself.
HeavenSent (01a566) — 9/10/2009 @ 6:44 am… and Reagan was right … these massive entitlement programs are taking away freedom and property while enslaving yourself to the Government.
No different than a whore with one customer. That one customer becomes everything and whore has to do whatever to survice.
The American Public is becoming a whore to the US Federal Gov.t. It will only get worse for her.
HeavenSent (01a566) — 9/10/2009 @ 6:47 amComment by Unapologetic Mexican — 9/10/2009 @ 6:04 am
Don’t cut the lawn too short. We haven’t had enough rain yet.
nk (df76d4) — 9/10/2009 @ 6:55 amIf its all the Republicans can do to call names, then why is it that Democrats are calling their opponents Nazis?
Gee, VEV, your comments are not getting any more coherent with time.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/10/2009 @ 6:56 amIts hilarious that Democrats are upset at Joe Wilson’s outburst, given that they booed George Bush at his State of the Union speeches.
Democrats really are the hypocrisy party.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/10/2009 @ 7:05 amGood. Have a cookie.
Comment by Unapologetic Mexican — 9/10/2009 @ 6:04 am
Sometimes ya just need to wonder “why bother”, you can’t use reason, they only listen to their own cliches. oh well, on to something productive- like buying some cookies…
MD in Philly (d4f9fa) — 9/10/2009 @ 7:53 amEvidently, Obama’s story about an Illinois man who died from cancelled insurance?
The opposite of what actually happened, of course.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/10/2009 @ 7:57 amGlenn Reynolds quotes a great line: “President Obama’s address to Congress made it clear that he’s barely listened to the national debate on health care that he himself set in motion. Yesterday’s teachable moment: the more America learns about government-run health care, the more Barack Obama wants to talk, and the less he wants to hear”.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/10/2009 @ 8:03 amSPQR – Being a brazen liar would misunderestimate how brazen of a liar he is.
JD (38362d) — 9/10/2009 @ 8:05 amI guess this kind of brazen lie is alright in pursuit of their pure and ethical unicorn dreams.
JD (7e5447) — 9/10/2009 @ 9:04 amThere is a large group of Democrats that do not support this President. In fact we voted for the alternative. I wish the Republicans would have supported their party, then we wouldn’t be in the position we now find ourselves.
SoCalDem (ed4318) — 9/10/2009 @ 10:18 amLies and truth are meaningless concepts to an Alinskyite. All that matters is succeeding in the agenda of grabbing power from “them” and getting it themselves.
Pres. Obama really doesn’t have anything to stand on except what he says is so. Sometimes what he says corresponds somewhat with reality, and it seems he can make a fact based argument. If what he says doesn’t correspond with reality, so what, he repeats it often enough that people believe it.
I agree with the nausea over the hypocrisy of the Dems and the media in the double standard of how they treated Bush vs. what they find acceptable for Obama. At least the Congressman didn’t apologize or back down from his claim.
Congressman: “That’s a lie”
MD in Philly (d4f9fa) — 9/10/2009 @ 10:22 amRepub. Leadership: “Say you’re sorry.”
Congressman: “I’m sorry he’s lying.”
The only saving grace of Barack’s dirty socialist fiasco is that McCain’s useless geriatric ass is relegated to well-deserved obscurity I think. Meghan’s coward daddy and his Soros-funded Main Street Republicans were never anything but a dirty socialist insurance policy in case Barack and his Teleprompter made fatal mis-steps I think.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 9/10/2009 @ 10:26 amMeghan’s coward daddy liked to have hurt himself getting in front of cameras last night to denounce Joe Wilson. Yet another profile in courage from the media sycophant who hand-delivered our little country to a dirty socialist piece of Chicago street trash.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 9/10/2009 @ 10:31 amIf you’re a Red Sox fan, you’re a commie.
Comment by Dave Surls — 9/9/2009 @ 5:09 pm
How sharper than a serpents tooth is anyone that is NOT a Red Sox fan!
GM Roper (85dcd7) — 9/10/2009 @ 1:36 pm