The Unvetting of Van Jones
[Posted by Karl]
The Obama administration has been pushing the line that the (forced) resignation of its “green jobs czar” Van Jones is a story about botched vetting. However, Fox News confirmed what members of past administrations already knew — that Jones was investigated by the FBI (and perhaps others), regardless of whether Jones filled out the standard questionnaire for presidential appointees.
The Obama administration didn’t need no stinkin’ questionnaire to know who Van Jones — communist-cum-eco-socialist Truther — was:
Mr. Jones was a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, which was established, funded and celebrated as the new intellectual vanguard of the Democratic Party. The center’s president is John Podesta, who was co-chair of Mr. Obama’s transition team and thus played a major role in recommending appointees throughout the Administration.
As lefty blogger-activist Jane Hamsher noted, Jones was exceedingly well-known within the Sorosphere:
I first met Van Jones when he was honored last year by the Campaign for America’s Future at their gala dinner. He was being swarmed by all of the liberal institutional elite, who just could not be more full of praise for the impressive environmental leader and prison reform organizer. Everybody wanted Van Jones on their board. Everyone wanted him at their fundraisers. Everyone wanted a piece of his formidable limelight.
Now he’s been thrown under the bus by the White House for signing his name to a petition expressing something that 35% of all Democrats believed as of 2007 — that George Bush knew in advance about the attacks of 9/11. Well, that and calling Republicans “assholes.” I’m pretty sure that if you search through the histories of every single liberal leader at the CAF dinner that night, they have publicly said that and worse.
Although folks on the right may like to focus on that poll showing that over one-third of Democrats are Truthers, a note of caution is in order. As with polls on “birthers,” such numbers are more a function of heuristics than deeply-held opinion. Hamsher’s suggestion that the intellectual vanguard of the Democratic Party — which is certainly better informed about Trutherism than the average person — is sympatico with Jones is a far more damning indictment than the poll.
That there are more Van Joneses lurking in the bowels of the Obama administration is a near-certainty. Consider the case of Chas Freeman, Israel-hating, Saudi-shilling apologist for the Butchers of Beijing. Like Jones, Freeman blamed the US for 9/11 — and he probably would be in charge of drawing up National Intelligence Estimates today, if not for those meddling bloggers.
These sorts of views are not disqualifying to the Obama administration because — as Andy McCarthy points out — Pres. Obama “is not Mr. Magoo — haplessly gravitating to Truther Van and Ayers and Dohrn and Klonsky and Davis and Wright and the Chicago New Party and ACORN, etc.”
It is the nature of Pres. Obama and his fellow travelers that the administration needs to have swept under the proverbial rug. Making the story about vetting serves the Obama administration on several levels. It deflects blame to a relatively anonymous bureaucracy, but more important, suggests that the Jones appointment is an aberration.
However, the tactic of shifting the story from substance to process carries its own measure of risk. First, over time, people may yet come to learn that the Van Jones hire was not an isolated incident, resulting in a loss of credibility. Second, people are already figuring out that Pres. Obama is pursuing a raft of left-wing policies; this cannot be covered up with a midnight resignation. Third, a narrative of incompetence is corrosive. Incompetence of this sort has little political traction — until the administration is seen as doing a big thing badly, like Hurricane Katrina or the Iranian hostage crisis. Should that sort of event occur, Obama’s weakened political infrastructure may collapse under its own weight.
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Bonus: Anyone who doubts Hamsher’s assessment can read apologia for Trutherism at The New Republic and Newsweek. Hamsher herself was doing the same on MSNBC today.
–Karl
Freeman is of the opinion the the US got what it had coming.
Van Jones is of the opinion the the US either let 9/11 happen or actually carried out the attacks as some sort of false-flag operation.
Newtons.bit (a67c58) — 9/8/2009 @ 1:39 pmNewtons.bit,
Actually, Van Jones held both of those opinions at different times. On 9/12/01, one of the groups formed by Jones held a vigil for the victims of US imperialism.
Karl (f07e38) — 9/8/2009 @ 1:44 pmVan Jones also thinks the US got what was coming to it, Newtons.bit.
He said 9/11 was justified by the ‘bombs we dropped in Iraq’. This is a person who justified the mass murder of innocent Americans, and Obama put him on the cabinet.
This makes sense because Obama thought his daughters should have a preacher who tells them AIDS was invented by the CIA/JOOS and 9/11 was our chickens cmoing home to roost. Obama may not hate America, but hating America is a good way to get Obama to love you.
Juan (bd4b30) — 9/8/2009 @ 1:46 pmI’m actually surprised he quit/was forced out. with so much of the MSM ignoring the story (until he quit), what was Obama afraid of? the ignorant public getting upset about something they didn’t know anything about?
steve sturm (369bc6) — 9/8/2009 @ 1:46 pmBarack Obama is very much not wanting to be seen as repudiating trutherism. Trutherism is appeasement and our cowardly president is very appeasey, but he might come to find that a narrative of appeasement is as corrosive as a narrative of incompetence.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 9/8/2009 @ 1:47 pmthat’s a tad misleading. Obama felt it important that HE belonged to that church (whether to appease his wife or to show he was black enough, only he knows), the impact on his kids was a secondary consideration at best.
steve sturm (369bc6) — 9/8/2009 @ 1:49 pmSteve, no doubt there is more to the story about Van Jones. What we do know is disgusting, and what we don’t know is probably downright horrible. we don’t know much about Ayers’s relationship with Obama, and the question marks have been stacking up in my head since then.
All these doubts about Obama’s love for this country will be issue #1 in the 2012 election. And should have been in 2008. We were led by an appeaser, John Mccain, and that was such a mistake. The GOP is such a lame political party.
I understand Newton.bit thinking Jones was on one side of a divide about paranoia. It really doesn’t make any sense to simultaneously justify the attack as the Arabs getting Bush/Joos back for imperialism and also say that Bush/Joos wanted the attack to happen. All I can say is that you’d have to be an unclear thinker to get to Van Jones’s POV.
Juan (bd4b30) — 9/8/2009 @ 1:55 pmLike I said in one of the threads on this subject, I am not happy with the Obama administration. They could have avoided this. If they keep floundering on this they will begin to leak credibility. That is if it hasn’t started happening as recent polls indicate. Another bad news for and from Obama.
The Emperor who prefers to see himself as "blog-czar"! (1b037c) — 9/8/2009 @ 1:59 pmSteve, I don’t mean to mislead. I honestly don’t know if Obama is trying to be a good father or not.
I should admit that perhaps Obama just didn’t care instead of being outright awful as a parent.
But that’s what always has stuck out to me. Obama took his beautiful daughters into that church. That’s where they were baptised. That’s where they learned morality. That preacher’s words carry weight in their hearts, just as my great childhood preacher influenced me. This guy is worshiped in that church, and he professes such awful hatred.
It’s a racist hateful place, and no good father would ever take their child into it. Obama kept his kids there until moving to DC. Obama was in that church for 20 years. I can only think of a couple of things I’ve done for 20 years… they are central to my being.
Obama IS Reverend Wright. It’s part of his soul, and it’s part of his parenting philosophy. That’s a big deal to me, and if you’re right, and Obama was just cynically pretending to believe as he brought his kids there, I don’t think this mitigates the impact on Sasha and Malia.
Juan (bd4b30) — 9/8/2009 @ 1:59 pmJuan: I agree with your point, that at best, Obama didn’t care if his daughters were exposed to that garbage.
But you’re wrong in thinking Obama’s ‘love of country’ will be issue #1 in 2012, it won’t be an issue at all. His love of country isn’t an issue to the liberals who comprise 20% or so of the vote, conservatives have so many reasons to vote against him that ‘love of country’ is just one of many and thus it comes down to the 60% who make up the mushy middle. For them, the #1 issue alternates between national security and the economy. if the economy is doing ok and we haven’t been attacked, he’ll win, otherwise, and provided the GOP doesn’t nominate another doofus like McCain or Dole or Palin, he’ll lose.
steve sturm (369bc6) — 9/8/2009 @ 2:12 pmI wasn’t aware of anyone having the opinion that the US both deserved 9/11 and carried it out itself.
The thoughts from that cognitive dissonance must rattle a few marbles loose.
Newtons.bit (a67c58) — 9/8/2009 @ 2:13 pm“That there are more Van Joneses lurking in the bowels of the Obama administration is a near-certainty.”
No doubt. Rosa Brooks would be a perfect example. An uber-lefty who, last time I checked had a DoD job, even though she appears to know absolutely nothing about matters military.
Dave Surls (ba0cc8) — 9/8/2009 @ 2:15 pmWe saw the trial baloon of this inane attempt to explain away the noxious fumes of Van Jones when Howard Dean pushed it on Fox last Sunday morning. I was completely surprised that Wallace let him get away with his idiotic “some guy waved a piece of paper in front of his face and he just signed it.” Unreal.
Dmac (a93b13) — 9/8/2009 @ 2:20 pmThe right voiced loud and hard that Obama was both an empty suit and incompetent. However, the public, led by the MSM and the left blogosphere believed otherwise and what we now see is the result.
Ayers, Dorhn, Wright and etc., were there for all to see but “America” chose to ignore what was before their eyes nose!
GM Roper (85dcd7) — 9/8/2009 @ 2:23 pmArrgh, strike doesn’t work.
For all to smell… what was before their nose…
GM Roper (85dcd7) — 9/8/2009 @ 2:24 pmSteve, it’s hard for me to understand why, for Obama, all these examples of monsters in his life isn’t issue #1.
I really am bothered by the idea that Americans won’t repudiate Obama at a more basic level than ‘his policies sucked’. I mean, at the end of the day, same result, but it really irritates me to think a man who was friends with Ayers, Wright, Van Jones, etc is not outright mocked mercilessly.
I think it was a tremendous mistake that Mccain would repudiate Republicans who attacked Obama on this basis. anyone who is turned towards Obama by this information was never going to vote for a Republican.
The information got out there in a very vague way. But I hope ‘who is Obama’ is a central aspect of the next couple of elections. You’re right… there are many other good reasons to vote against him, but I think Obama’s such a disturbing character that these associations will loom large.
Only time will tell.
of course, the economy is a strange thing. Bush had a hard reelection even with a booming economy. Al Gore lost when people thought the economy was doing well. The economy is the most powerful issue, but I wonder if people are finally waking up to the fact that the president isn’t in control of it.
Juan (bd4b30) — 9/8/2009 @ 2:32 pmAnd none of this is going to matter if the GOP is unable to locate a compelling candidate. That might be okay actually, if Congress can be flipped again.
The 2012 Senate slate is D heavy, which should help some, just as that is part of what made 2008 so tough. Defending so many seats in a year that you are already unpopular.
Soronel Haetir (2b4c2b) — 9/8/2009 @ 2:59 pmRACISTS !!!!!!!!
JD (d36609) — 9/8/2009 @ 3:05 pmIt’s a racist hateful place, and no good father would ever take their child into it. Obama kept his kids there until moving to DC. Obama was in that church for 20 years. I can only think of a couple of things I’ve done for 20 years… they are central to my being.
I have been distressed for some time about the rage that I see in these well educated middle or upper class blacks. Some of it, even with Jones, may be fake in an attempt to get “street cred” or to seem to sympathize with the angry black voter who will elect Alcee Hastings to Congress after he is impeached for bribery as a federal judge.
Some of it, though, has got to be genuine and is an example of social pathology that is a real worry. I teach medical students, some of whom are black. Most of the black students I see are actually not American born. I think there is a trend in elite colleges, too. The kids who do well enough to get into medical school or graduate from Harvard Law School may be disproportionately non-American kids. The social pathology of black rage and the whole reparations thing may be inhibiting these people from making it in society. I wonder how many of them secretly worry that they are being graduated or promoted because of affirmative action.
This whole black rage phenomenon seems to me to be a cancer eating away at the center of black achievement. I want these people to do well and get a middle class life and a happy family. Some are doing it but why are these successful-looking people joining a place like Rev Wright’s church ? Then he retires and builds himself a mansion to live with whites in Tinley Park.
What the hell is going on ?
Mike K (2cf494) — 9/8/2009 @ 3:06 pmNewtons.bit,
Van Jones held both opinions, though (afaik) nort simultaneously. He started out with “we had it coming” and let it bloom into “Bush did it.”
Karl (065e81) — 9/8/2009 @ 3:09 pmIndeed, Mike K., of course it may be anecdotal, but the black immigrant seems to have something that the native-born black has a more difficult time finding.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/8/2009 @ 3:09 pmsteve sturm,
What was obama afraid of? By Saturday, it had been covered by CBS and the WaPo. And a story about hiring a Truther is the last thing Obama needs in the news this week.
Karl (065e81) — 9/8/2009 @ 3:12 pmEvery truther I’ve ever met or read has held those opinions simultaneously, and I’ve been following trutherism since early ’02.
Phil Smith (1cf25d) — 9/8/2009 @ 3:13 pmWhen are you guys going do a post on the much attacked Obama speech to school kids? I heard terrible and unspeakable things happened. Things like kids being “inspired” by the President’s life story.
The Emperor who prefers to see himself as "blog-czar"! (1b037c) — 9/8/2009 @ 3:27 pmoh great. Now we have hordes of schoochilrens dreaming of one day furthering our little country’s descent into third world dirty socialist irrelevance. Neat.
happyfeet (71f55e) — 9/8/2009 @ 3:29 pmI thought the fact that he threw himself under the back of the Barcky bus at midnight on a Saturday of a holiday weekend was hysterical. What were they worried about? It is not like the media covered this leading up to the selfless sacrifice made by the Commie.
JD (1cc534) — 9/8/2009 @ 3:31 pmHow many times did Teh One say the words “me” and “I” today, lovie?
JD (1cc534) — 9/8/2009 @ 3:37 pmemperor, what does that have to do with the topic?
Obama’s speech was acceptable because Obama did what the GOP ordered him to do, and cleaned up his bullshit.
that he was unable to come up with a speech to kids that was uncontroversial proved he wasn’t ready to lead, and it’s too late to pretend Obama didn’t go too far, since he already admitted it and pulled back the Obama worship lessons.
But that has nothing to do with Van Jones, except that both show Obama is no leader.
Juan (bd4b30) — 9/8/2009 @ 3:39 pmThis clown was a Leftist rockstar. Reading that Hamster bit about him, you could feel her getting a little wet just writing about him. I denounce myself.
If they won, and their ideology is so dominant and accepted, why keep throwing people under the back of the bus?
JD (1cc534) — 9/8/2009 @ 3:47 pm@28
The Emperor who prefers to see himself as "blog-czar"! (1b037c) — 9/8/2009 @ 4:02 pmSo now the GOP gets the credit? Heh. You people are impossible!
Lovie – That whoooshing sound you hear about every 12 seconds are points flying past your head.
JD who is prejudiced against retarded marmosets (1cc534) — 9/8/2009 @ 4:06 pmMore like you farting through your teeth, JD.
The Emperor who thinks JD is a closet racist! (1b037c) — 9/8/2009 @ 4:16 pmLovie the transtesticled retarded marmoset – That is not particularly funny, coming from you.
JD (1cc534) — 9/8/2009 @ 4:20 pm@28
The Emperor who prefers to see himself as "blog-czar"! (1b037c) — 9/8/2009 @ 4:23 pmSo now the GOP gets the credit? Heh. You guys are impossible!
JD, please use “brain-damaged” instead of the r-word. Pulling each comment out of moderation gets old.
Stashiu3 (ed6467) — 9/8/2009 @ 4:27 pm@33
The Emperor who is shocked! (1b037c) — 9/8/2009 @ 4:31 pmWhat? Cant take a hit? Shocka!
Ok, this is one thread that’s totally derailed. Congratulations ___.
nk (df76d4) — 9/8/2009 @ 4:39 pmSorry, Stash. I will just refer to it as the short-bus marmoset.
JD (e4e95a) — 9/8/2009 @ 4:49 pmWorks for me bud. 😉
Stashiu3 (ed6467) — 9/8/2009 @ 4:50 pmJones didn’t quit. He was forced only when, and as soon as, it came out that he’s a Truther. If Obama can tolerate Truthers, conservatives might tolerate so-called birthers. Who knows where that might lead? Obama’s not about to take any chances.
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Don’t Blame Van Jones! Blame the Conservatives… And Be Sure to Include That They’re, er, uh, ALL Racists « Frugal Café Blog Zone (a66042) — 9/8/2009 @ 5:02 pm“I expect great things from each and every one of you”.
If nothing else the bright ones learned that he’s a shameless bloviator.
Terry Gain (f3f8a5) — 9/8/2009 @ 5:05 pm“I expect great things from each and every one of you”.
Because after Obama’s failed administration, somebody’s going to have to achieve greatness.
Apogee (e2dc9b) — 9/8/2009 @ 5:54 pm“That stinks.”
-Said by 13 year old caller to Hugh Hewitt, upon being informed his generation would be stuck with cleaning up the mess.
MD in Philly (d4f9fa) — 9/8/2009 @ 6:47 pm#
Ok, this is one thread that’s totally derailed. Congratulations ___.
Comment by nk — 9/8/2009 @ 4:39 pm
I deserve the blame for that one.
On Van Jones’s lack of vetting, if you believe Obama’s line, it does explain why his people keep getting to trouble. But whether Obama likes people with these beliefs or just allows them in, Hamsher’s right… a third of their party is insane and Obama’s administration will be crippled by this kind of thing.
The precedent is established: truthers are not fit for service. a third of the democrat party is not fit for service.
Juan (bd4b30) — 9/8/2009 @ 7:06 pmDid Van Jones ever explicitly renounce being a communist? If so, when? Can anyone provide a link?
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407) — 9/8/2009 @ 7:23 pm“Anyone who doubts Hamsher’s assessment can read apologia for Trutherism at The New Republic and Newsweek. Hamsher herself was doing the same on MSNBC today.”
Wow. I predicted that the Olbermaniac lunatic Left (such as Hamsher) would defend Van Jones rather than ignore him, but who could predict defense of the indefensible would run so deep into the heart of Democratic punditry? New Republic and Newsweek? Shocker!
So I repeat what I have said before, what the hell is wrong with the Democratic Party? Why do the crazies, creeps and crooks find the Democratic Party so inviting?
Brad (daf01c) — 9/8/2009 @ 7:35 pmOh, one other thing…
If Van Jones is the tip of the iceberg (and I believe that is true), than after a few more years of exposing these vile elements inside the Obama administration “outing” will end up with a whole different meaning compared to today. For outing is exactly the work at hand, exposing these phonies for the extremists they truly are, despite Obama’s best efforts to hide them.
Brad (daf01c) — 9/8/2009 @ 7:44 pmI’ve been watching the Jones show here in the Frisco eastbay since the 1990’s.
Andrew (312419) — 9/8/2009 @ 7:46 pmTerribly boring and predictable, until this last week.
White guilt coupled with the soft bigotry of low expectations is why dude made it to where he was.
Good he was exposed to the American public.
Whoa, an Andrew escaped from the sack.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/8/2009 @ 7:53 pmSPQR, not the same Andrew.
Stashiu3 (ed6467) — 9/8/2009 @ 7:56 pmThanks, Sta-3….180 different and a 99% lurker.
Andrew (312419) — 9/8/2009 @ 7:58 pmThat was my guess, Stashiu3. The joke was not intended to be an insult to this Andrew.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/8/2009 @ 7:59 pmNo worries, I just wanted to make sure this Andrew didn’t have to carry any old baggage from banned-Andrew. Maybe go by “Andrew180”? 😉
Stashiu3 (ed6467) — 9/8/2009 @ 8:04 pmAndrews throughout the world thank this one for trying to restore some dignity to the name.
JD (1e912f) — 9/8/2009 @ 8:13 pmThis may not be the best place to post this comment, but I will anyway.
I think that Van Jones is a smart guy who did incredibly stupid things to please the people he agrees with. When one is addressing an audience of sycophants, one enjoys the adulation that follows.
He made the age-old mistake of thinking that the smartest guy in the room is the smartest guy.
Plenty of people, left and right, make that mistake.
But, what he forgot is the great American center. They have troubles and toil and pain, but they also know that government is not always the answer.
And before I get the racist charge, let me say this. Thousands, if not millions, of people around the world want to live here to experience what we take for granted.
Despite what our home-grown discontents think, we still do offer the highest standard of living in the free world. We’re certainly not perfect, but we’re not evil, either.
But, when someone, or several someones, decide that our freedom is detrimental to the overall pursuit of happiness in the world, well the humble masses get a tad mad.
Because, we, as a nation, give people a chance. I can give you examples, but if I do, I’ll be denounced as a racist.
I do know this, though, people come to this nation to achieve, to be someone, to be recognized and to be successful.
And they come here because they can’t reach those goals in whatever country you choose.
When native-born Americans decide to declare that we are a nation of hate, because citizens voice their disapproval of government actions, what do you expect to happen? When we are called racists, simply because of policy disagreements, why do you suppose people get mad?
Because some guy is smart, we’re supposed to give him a pass.
Folks, it’s on the record:
He said he was a black nationalist.
Then he said he was a Communist.
Then he signs a petition that alleges that the government allowed the murder of more than 3,000 of its citizens.
Then he calls the opposition party a*holes because he disagrees with their views.
Maybe he wasn’t so smart. Just maybe he listened too much to his echo chamber.
And, maybe, that proves he wasn’t fit to be in a position of authority within the United States Government.
And, neither am I. But I don’t hear a lot of people whining about it, though.
Ag80 (01be36) — 9/8/2009 @ 8:45 pm“Now he’s been thrown under the bus by the White House for signing his name to a petition expressing something that 35% of all Democrats believed as of 2007 — that George Bush knew in advance about the attacks of 9/11. Well, that and calling Republicans “assholes.” I’m pretty sure that if you search through the histories of every single liberal leader at the CAF dinner that night, they have publicly said that and worse.”
No doubt Hamster can’t accept the fact that 37% of the public according to a recent poll believe there is something to the charge the birthers are making. And unlike the truthers’s Obama is making the case for the birthers, why else spend nearly a a million in legal fees fighting the release of his long form birth certificate? Just like Kerry never actually getting around to releasing the actual document. Probably our Kenyan-Indonesian President never formally renounced his dual or triple citizenship and may have travelled on one of those passports after the age of 18.
In 2013 when the new republican administration starts investigating their immediate predecessor for all manner of national security breaches, corruption and the fact that Obummer may not have been fully forthcoming with his citizenship status the fun and games will start.
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