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9/8/2009

Don’t Like Obama’s Speech? You Shouldn’t Be Raising Children

Filed under: Media Bias,Obama,Politics — DRJ @ 8:10 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

So said an NBC commentator (*) John Harwood on the NBC Nightly News about those who objected to Obama’s school speech:


“This is one of the ridiculous controversies I’ve ever seen, and so far as I can tell, the biggest danger to kids in this whole thing is that a lot of the parents complaining aren’t smart enough to raise them very effectively. Because if you think that a President coming into their school and saying ‘Work hard and stay in school’ is a danger to your kids, you’ve got some problems.”

(*) I don’t know who this man is but he appears to be an NBC commentator. Let me know if you can identify him. The speaker is apparently John Harwood, CNBC’s Chief Washington correspondent.

In addition, reporter Andrea Mitchell said conservatives are using an “echo chamber” of resources to make it “much harder for any President to make his voice heard.”

Poor President Obama. His only chance to be heard is his weekly townhall meetings and radio addresses, daily press conferences by his press secretary, a nationwide speech to America’s schools and an exclusive primetime address to Congress.

— DRJ

135 Responses to “Don’t Like Obama’s Speech? You Shouldn’t Be Raising Children”

  1. Goodness. She’s quite the petulant geriatric dirty socialist hoochie isn’t she? And bulimic to boot. I think it’s affecting the quality of her propaganda.

    happyfeet (6b707a)

  2. The poor dear hasn’t had an unassisted bowel movement since the 70s I don’t think.

    happyfeet (6b707a)

  3. Yes, the brouhaha was overkill.

    When I was growing up it would have been considered unremarkable for a President to do something like this, but then that was mostly Johnson and Nixon and those guys each spent a fair chunk of their presidencies ducking bricks.

    Teachers can be much more dangerous than Presidents. I remember as a fourth-grader being propagandized into doing an environmental-pseudoscience presentation for some kind of school science show.

    Fortunately, I outgrew her nonsense. Or maybe not; I could have been Green Jobs Czar.

    JEM (a0f32a)

  4. This quote should follow her around. You stoopid bitter clingers are not worthy of licking the sweat off of her corns. Plus, as DRJ noted previously, the proper response is not to complain, it is to hold Congressional hearings.

    JD (1e912f)

  5. I was wondering what other things we could do on the day the wingnuts held their kids back. Like teach science and safe sex.

    imdw (de6f23)

  6. imdw, remedial reading would be more usefully targeted.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  7. Are you a teacher, imdw? Because that is certainly implied in your comment.

    JD (1e912f)

  8. Unlike you, imdw, I never felt the need to rely upon the government via public education to teach my children about “safe sex”. I took my responsibilities as a parent seriously and didn’t pawn them off on anyone else.

    But then again, I’m a conservative.

    Dana (863a65)

  9. Now, JD. Trolls will be trolls. Look at how imdw has posted, over and over again. Ho hum.

    As for the NBC folk, what did you expect? “It takes a village” to raise your children. “Village elders” who know better than you do in every way how to raise your children. Isn’t that the take home lesson?

    Because we are all stupid. Not smart and elegant, like Andrea Mitchell, John Harwood, and apparently imdw.

    The ironic part is how clueless these people really are. They don’t get that pendulums swing, and if it is okay for Leftists to tell everyone how to raise their children now, why, it will be okay for Rightists to do the same thing later.

    Big government and statism, which are two sides of the same collectivist coin, remain the enemy.

    Eric Blair (721b15)

  10. Oh, and imdw? Any time you want to compete with me regarding knowledge of science, do let me know.

    My guess is that you know just about as much about science as does Al Gore.

    As for the sex part, I wish you all the safe sex you can handle. But on your own.

    Eric Blair (721b15)

  11. “Yes, the brouhaha was overkill.”
    Not really. Any Dept of Ed “how can you help the President” lesson plan is proof this was off-track and an over-reach.

    As Al Pacino in scent of a woman said: “We need to take a flamethrower to this place.” – Needs to be considered for the Dept of Ed. They spend $80 billion disimproving education in america.

    “When I was growing up it would have been considered unremarkable for a President to do something like this”

    Perhaps. But Democrats in 1991 *still* insisted on hearings on GHWBush’s speech.

    We havent had a cult-of-personality-disorder president before, raised on insidious Alinskyike techniques, campaigning using socialist realism style art and a slogan hijacked from a leftist union organizer… Obama is intent on inserting himself incessently in far too much of our lives and our culture, and EVERY attempt by him to get close to our kids MUST be viewed with suspicion.

    My son informed me it was 18 minutes long.

    A few things to like about Obama’s speech:
    – Responsibility, be good in school, yadda, yadda, yadda
    A few things not to like:
    – Too long
    – Too much of the “I” and what he wants, personalizing rather than focus on their *country* and community and what *parents* and citizens want
    – hints of ‘social justice’ activism as a good thing
    – Some but not enough mention of what kids should do for themselves wrt self-reliance, individualism, etc.
    – No mention of the military or service provided by them to country
    – No recognition of the benefits of free enterprise or those create jobs through entrepreneurship

    Travis Monitor (e991bc)

  12. instead of the “face that launched a thousand ships” she possesses the “face that launched a thousand celibacies”……

    a cougar she’s not.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  13. I wish Harwood would get lost somewhere in East DC with his convertible down.

    He has been a douche bag Obama nut sack licker since last year. Tries to appear conservative but his comments are always anti-conservative and pro nut sack licking.

    HeavenSent (01a566)

  14. “if it is okay for Leftists to tell everyone how to raise their children now, why, it will be okay for Rightists to do the same thing later.”

    LOL… Dont be naive… these libs can do double standards on a turn of a dime.

    Just look at how *patient* they are with Obama screwing up the war in Afghanistan.

    Travis Monitor (e991bc)

  15. I’m really at a loss for words on this one. Keep people in a “state of agitation.”

    Good Lord Almighty, they still think they make a difference.

    People are just sheep following the leadership of who? Rush, Romney, Gingrich, the Illuminati?

    Hasn’t the left realized, yet — although they keep espousing some sort of phantom leadership — that people, citizens, are getting a little miffed?

    And don’t they realize that people, citizens, can, you know, think?

    We have information. It may not come from NBC and Andrea Mitchell, but it’s there.

    Ag80 (01be36)

  16. “Like teach science and safe sex.”

    If only they really did but here are facts …

    1) Safe Sex has simply sexualized schools. Notice all those school teachers having sex with kids? Safe? Um……

    (** No outrage here like with Priests, Teachers are part of the Union **)

    2) Teach science like what Global Warming that does not exist? How about Global cooling since 1995? Where be that??

    HeavenSent (01a566)

  17. Oh, you are right about the hypocrisy, Travis. The catchword of the New Democratic Party is: that’s different™!

    But why do you think there has been so much public unrest? People are waking up that Hope and Change is the Chicago Way. And despite all the…nuance…most Americans are unhappy with hypocrites. Pundits are fine with it, of course.

    2010 is coming.

    Eric Blair (721b15)

  18. It does look like the speech was no big deal, but Obama has clearly failed to deliver on his core promise to end partisan anger. He’s been so awful about the way he’s treated other opinions. ‘Shut up’ ‘I won’ etc etc.

    People don’t trust him. He said he was up to the job of healing the rift, and he went out and made it worse than ever. This crazy guy has commies on staff and attended ‘god damn america’ fest for 20 years… and brought his kids along their entire lives.

    I can understand not trusting him enough to let him talk to your kids. Good parenting often touches on paranoia.

    Juan (bd4b30)

  19. #10: Eric, what a much more polite way of saying what i was going tell it:

    “GFY”

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  20. ABC World News (9/8) used the same phrase in a report about the opposition to the speech. Dan Harris said, “The conservative ‘echo chamber’ is not new …” in his report.

    Perhaps there’s a MSM “echo chamber”?

    JoeH (eeb280)

  21. “This is one of the ridiculous controversies I’ve ever seen, and so far as I can tell, the biggest danger to kids in this whole thing is that a lot of the parents complaining aren’t smart enough to raise them very effectively. Because if you think that a President coming into their school and saying ‘Work hard and stay in school’ is a danger to your kids, you’ve got some problems.”

    What I find particularly troubling about Ms. Mitchell’s statement is her brazen judgement call on the parenting decisions of others.

    These parents she refers to (the bitter clingers) are not typically criminals, parents living on the dole, parents abdicating their responsibilities to the state but rather these are responsible parents as evidenced by their reading up on the issue, listening to reports, discussing the matter, and finally arriving at a decision for their children.

    Isn’t that the job description of being a parent?

    Ms. Mitchell outs herself as a narrow-minded bigot who is willing to paint parents with whom she politically* disagrees with, with the broadest of brushes.

    *let’s just call it what it is…

    Dana (863a65)

  22. In the past, there was only CBS, NBC, ABC, NY Times, etc.

    Now with talk radio and blogs, conservatives are heard.

    Something’s happening and you don’t know what it is. Do you, Ms. Mitchell?

    Alta Bob (e53677)

  23. “The speaker is apparently John Harwood, CNBC’s Chief Washington correspondent.” Change to,
    The speaker is apparently John Harwood, CNBC’s Chief Washington O’Dumbo A** kisser. CNBC, actually the entire NBC network has lost all right to be called ‘a news network’ in any form. They have evolved into another Soros type anti-american communist supporting organization. I never watch any of them and only get the news from FOX and the net (mostly the net). Cancelled all mag/paper subscripion but the local county paper.

    Scrapiron (4e0dda)

  24. happyfeet: The poor dear hasn’t had an unassisted bowel movement since the 70s I don’t think.

    She has to let Greenspan get on top of her every now and then, so I don’t think she has any trouble going.

    Dave (in MA ) (d51df8)

  25. Democrats complained 20 years ago about free political advertising. Bush Pere made the same pitch Obama did. But since then we’ve had hours and hours of free political advertising, so that complaint is done. Now we have “indoctrination” and claim the Democrats were never stupid enough to make.
    Mrs Alan Greenspan is right (for once) this is so f’ing absurd.
    But Obab’s a democrat and a negro so there we go.

    JW Democrat (213e20)

  26. RACISTS !!!!!!

    Good Allah, this one is f*cking dense.

    JD (1e912f)

  27. Ahh…another lovely, classy and cerebral at PP’s lounge for wayward bitter right-wingers.

    Doesn’t get much better than this folks: A woman to put down, lies to spin, new dirty communists to identify and demonize. Group-think hysteria. The fun never ends…

    Assclown doodyheads (2be977)

  28. Yep, just another lovely, classy, cerebral evening at PP’s Lounge..

    Assclown doodyheads (2be977)

  29. You should take that weak sh*t back to Kos, HuffandBlow, Washington Monthly, manbearpig, or one of the other cesspools that think the inanity you just spewed passes as rational thought.

    JD (1e912f)

  30. Are you a teacher, imdw?

    A high percentage of teachers are known to be, well, idiotic liberals.

    I’ve long thought it quite fitting that an industry (ie, public education) often described as mediocre at best, frequently pointed to as in need of major improvement, and notorious for turning out poorly prepared kids galore, should be dominated by “progressives.”

    Mark (411533)

  31. I am not sure what her gender has to do with, well, anything. Now, STFU and get out of their way, you bitter clingers.

    JD (1e912f)

  32. But Obab’s a democrat and a negro so there we go.

    Oh, so you’re more fascinated or obsessed by his race than his mindless ultra-liberalism?

    You’re the type of “lefty” I think of when I muse that if a high percentage of black America were rightwing — or at least centrist — instead of leftwing, a lot of liberals would start pining for the era before civil rights, diversity and affirmative action.

    Mark (411533)

  33. A woman to put down, lies to spin, new dirty communists to identify and demonize.

    You make an obtuse judgment while conveniently ignoring that Ms. Mitchell has “put down” a great number of parents because they don’t agree with her. She has judged them and gone so far as to say they “aren’t smart enough to raise them very effectively”. She has judged their parenting, their intelligence and suggests they pose a danger.

    You also conveniently ignore that she lies by making the claim because what is she basing truth on? Her own perception of it?

    No one here has lied (if you believe so, evidence?) and no one here has accused anyone of being a dirty communist. So given that, I’m thinking the spinning liar is you.

    Dana (863a65)

  34. “a lot of the parents complaining aren’t smart enough to raise them very effectively.”

    I have three grown sons, all work, none are on government handouts, none are in trouble with the law. So far, so good.

    And, I’m complaining.

    Dave Surls (ba0cc8)

  35. I voted for Alan Keyes in the Ohio Republican primary several years ago because I considered him to be the best choice, despite his already being eliminated from the running. I also refer you to “The Democrat Race Lie” (which I believe is the name I gave to a “Black & Right” blog post) where the lousy Democrats claimed to be the leading edge for “racial” equality, but in fact, Republicans have been the tip of the sword in that arena for 150 years.

    I also refer you to “Some New York Guy” on “Sadly, No!” who said that without a doubt non-whites who voted Republican were race-traitors (found on my article regarding my foray into that vipers’ den). That same libturd website also accused conservatives of being anti-semites. But it is informative (not really to anyone who actually knows anything) that it is the conservative who supports Israel and the liberal who supports those who wish to wipe Israel off the map.

    So, do me a favor, Junior Wannabe Douchecrat, take your race-baiting self, your full-of-lies self, and drive your Yugo up Mauna Kea and into Pele’s red belly.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  36. The speakers overlap in the post and I’m sorry if I didn’t make this more clear:

    CNBC’s John Harwood is the person who said “the biggest danger to kids in this whole thing is that a lot of the parents complaining aren’t smart enough to raise them very effectively.”

    Andrea Mitchell talked about an echo chamber but I don’t think she said anything about parents.

    DRJ (6a2898)

  37. My daughter decided to “drop out and join the Army” (as some libturd suggested on PP we conservatives were afraid BHO would say to the kids) by graduating HS at the age of 16 and showing up at BCT one day before her 18th birthday. And I have my own “Raise Up A Child” article, written months ago, to show I’m a heartless jerk of a parent who isn’t nearly as smart as the Chosen-One and his hidden college transcripts.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  38. You make an obtuse judgment while conveniently ignoring that Ms. Mitchell Mr. Harwood has “put down” a great number of parents because they don’t agree with her him. She He has judged them and gone so far as to say they “aren’t smart enough to raise them very effectively”. He has judged their parenting, their intelligence and suggests they pose a danger.

    Eh. My speakers are not working…

    No matter, Ms. Mitchell did not contradict nor attempt to correct him. Apparently, she agreed with him. Whether it’s him or her, the narrow minded judgements were made by Assclown doodyheads.

    Dana (863a65)

  39. Oh man, my whole game is off…

    No matter, Ms. Mitchell did not contradict nor attempt to correct him. Apparently, she agreed with him. Whether it’s him or her, the narrow minded judgements were made and Assclown doodyheads conveniently ignored them so he could make his own narrow minded judgment of commenters.

    Dana (863a65)

  40. Now, I don’t mean to be unkind to Mrs. Greenspan, but here is what she said a while back (via Wikipedia, to be fair):

    “During an appearance on MSNBC in June, 2008, Mitchell came under fire when she referred to the voters of the southwest Virginia region as rednecks. Mitchell stated live on the air, “Interesting images today. Barack Obama. Mark Warner in southwest Virginia. This is real redneck (she giggles) sort of…bordering on Appalachia country. This is not the northern Virginia, uh, some high-tech corridor. And these are voters that he would not logically be, you know, gravitating to. This is the beginning of a pivot.” The following day, Mitchell apologized for her “insensitive” comment.”

    So is anyone surprised that she pull some kind of elitist nonsense toward people with whom she disagrees?

    Eric Blair (721b15)

  41. Dana, come on. That poster is just being obnoxious and speaking Troof to Powder™ here. I mean, look at the posts.

    Eric Blair (721b15)

  42. By which, Dana, I mean this: you are casting pearls before…well, you know.

    Eric Blair (721b15)

  43. Artsy Dana, you have an excuse for your game being off. Girls aren’t expected to be able to keep things straight. But that’s okay, girls don’t have to. That’s the job for us guys, doncha know? After all, it’s the Democrat party in Wyoming and elsewhere that gave you girls the privilege to vote, or something like that.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  44. Here come the primadona model’s Jimmy Choos… instead of working-class Saucony footwear.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  45. I can’t talk now, JH, I’ve been instructed to take my shoes off and get back into that kitchen, pronto! I took 5 minutes too long on my break.

    Dana (863a65)

  46. With Obama on the defensive and his credibility shot, his supporters have turned to the race card 24/7 because they’ve got nothing else. Health care reform, Van Wreck, speech to the school chirrens, it’s all race card all the time. In their elite intellectual uber minds how could it be anything else?

    Jane Hamsher had it right in her defense of Van Jones – that he’s not any crazier than the rest of the progressives. Well put Jane. Why do you think people call you the nut roots? Your views are just not ready for mainstream America and neither are Obama’s, which is why he has to keep lying about them.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  47. Dana:

    Indeed the parents who’re fell for the indoctrination, nonsense are in some ways negligent of good parenting. I think anyone here (from what I read) would agree the children should be polite to their elders and respect authority, no? If the President isn’t an authority figure worthy of respect because he’s the democratically elected leader of the country than who is and what kind of message is it sending a child when a parent gets all up in arms and crazy about something like this? Seems to me, probably a lot of kids were indoctrinated, by their own parents and probably a good number of them emotionally traumatized because of all this nonsense (that came even before the president spoke like he was an evil pedophile or something). Man, if my parents had pulled this crap on me when I was in elementary school I would’ve bugged out. If you can’t trust the president, than you can’t trust anyone and nothing means anything more than Jackshit. Add guns to the mix and well…I’ll let you do the math. I mean, how do you explain to a child after all this crap that he or she shouldn’t trust the president, but that he or she should respect policemen for example? Answer me that one, you geniuses of negativity and logic.

    It could’ve been a first sleepy day at school for most kids, being kids and get on with things, but no, it was turned into a HUGE deal, with their parents acting like ignorant scared rabbits. Of the President? You guys still don’t get how ridiculous you sound.

    As for the sexist crap and dirty commie comments I think Happyfeet has that covered and a good number of the people here. Also redcl4

    Lies: Obama has clearly failed to deliver on his core promise to end partisan anger. He’s been so awful about the way he’s treated other opinions. ‘Shut up’ ‘I won’ etc etc.

    People don’t trust him. He said he was up to the job of healing the rift, and he went out and made it worse than ever. This crazy guy has commies on staff and attended ‘god damn america’ fest for 20 years… and brought his kids along their entire lives.

    Ah ha. I don’t even know where to begin. The guy has tried repeatedly to reach out to the Right-wing and been met with: The Birthers, claims of being a terrorist, a Kenyan, a fascist, a Communist, a racist on and on and on….and so it’s his fault all the partisan insanity. THis is truly like the guy who beats his wife saying “It’s not my fault. She made me do it.”

    So on and so forth and blah de blah de blah. LIke I said, PP’s lounge is a class act….

    Assclown doodyheads (2be977)

  48. Here we go, a black “race-traitor” and his website. “The Democrat Race Lie” will be found in his “Special Stuff” sidebar. Very worth the read. And very worth following secondary and tertiary links. Put that, Junior Wannabe Douchecrat, in your smipe and poke it (to borrow from Barney Fife’s inebriation).

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  49. “The guy” has repeatedly said “I won.” “The guy” has repeatedly thrown out extreme-left hooha and complained that no conservatives have “compromised” by accepting it as gospel. Heck, “the guy” is having troubles with moderates in his own party. So, don’t give me this “the guy has reached out” hooha.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  50. “The guy has tried repeatedly to reach out to the Right-wing”

    Assclown – Give us some concrete examples. Starting from day 1 it seems he shut Republicans out, so let’s see what you’ve got.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  51. For this particular controversy I sort of have to agree with A d up there but maybe the RNC got a draft of the ORIGINAL address that Prez. Obama was going to give. You can see it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkAd7E4Kxno

    The original address was a lot more forceful.

    EdWood (a025d7)

  52. “claims of being a terrorist”

    Assclown – Who has claimed Obama is a terrorist? Do you have a citation? Someone who used to comment here under a different name was fond of throwing that accusation out but never would say who actually said it. You’ve been here before under a different name haven’t you?

    daleyrocks (718861)

  53. The guy has tried repeatedly to reach out to the Right-wing

    No, he hasn’t. His MO is mostly leftwing, if not ultra-leftwing, and a sleazy one at that. The guy couldn’t even come clean when it came to radical Jermiah Wright last year, radical Van Jones this year.

    Meanwhile, he’s a total fool when it comes to his shedding tears over a radical/fanatic like the Hugo-Chavez-hugging ex-president of Honduras.

    The guy now in the White House talks out of both sides of his mouth and apparently is one of those leftists who is under the absurd notion that compassion and do-gooderism (as phony as it is) offsets a lack of integrity, honesty and common sense.

    No way does he give a damn about bi-partisanship, or centrism. And why should he? His background and life story are full of ultra-liberals, ultra-liberalism.

    Mark (411533)

  54. Obama is a terrorist sympathizer since he is in virtual bed with Ayers. Now, someone with as few principles and with the propensity to commit plagiary and libel as lovie (read most leftwing nutjobs) will truncate that statement in a plagiaristic and libelous form as to provide the proof demanded.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  55. But nobody expects integrity from the likes of buttmunching dingleberry licker anyway.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  56. Comment by Assclown doodyheads — 9/8/2009 @ 10:47 pm

    Your opinion of parenting skills is noted and dismissed. You have no clue what we’re like as parents, nor how we teach our children about politics and government. The general tone here is about respecting the office, not necessarily the man, and that point has been made repeatedly. Also, I would never teach my children to blindly trust anyone, including myself because I’m human and can make mistakes. Being skeptical is not the same as being disrespectful.

    The “sexist crap” you must be referring to is an ongoing joke between the prettier Dana and some of the guys here. Get over it. If you’re talking about AM, it’s not about her gender, it’s about her politics and elitism so you would be wrong there as well.

    happyfeet uses hyperbole for humor, which doesn’t exclude an often underlying truth. President Obama has associated with Communists and terrorists and you don’t want to talk about that. hf draws attention to it and the policies of the Obama administration that appear influenced by those assocations. You don’t want to talk about that either.

    President Obama has not reached out to the right. “I won” and “Shut up” are not reaching out. Those are things he said to his political opponents on the right. I don’t happen to believe the birth certificate controversy, but why spend so much money and time to prevent confirmation? I think it’s because it’s a welcome distraction from the other things his administration is doing. The Kenyan claim is just an offshoot of the citizenship question.

    Who from the regulars here claimed he was a terrorist? I think you just threw that in there hoping nobody would question it. Now, someone who wants to nationalize everything can justifiably be questioned whether they’re a Communist/Socialist or not. He certainly pals around enough with leaders who are while demonstrating a profound disrespect for true allies and Democracies. I’m rather disgusted with his treatment of Honduras. Fascist? He wants a federal police force on a par with the U.S. military. What for if not to police the population? I’d say that’s a valid concern.

    Racist? Absolutely. He constantly talks about race. He makes judgments based on race. He selects advisors and judges based on race. And he constantly calls other people racists, just like you and your ilk. I’ve got news for you, it’s not about race for us. It’s about freedom to live our lives in peace without undue government interference. It’s not racism when we talk about John Kerry or Al Gore and it’s still not racism when we talk about President Obama.

    You’re no different than a dozen other trolls who lie and misrepresent conservatives to make yourself feel better. Talk about bitter.

    Stashiu3 (ed6467)

  57. Stashiu3, I think that this sort of thing is indicative of the Left being kind of worried. I mean, look at those polls. That is why the trolls come by writing nonsense like “overwhelming majority” and such.

    They know that they got a empty-suited ringer installed as POTUS. The funny part is that HRC would have been a much stronger President, and a FAR better spokesperson for Left of center ideals.

    And the Left knows it. Hence the continuing TrollFest.

    Eric Blair (721b15)

  58. I mean, how do you explain to a child after all this crap that he or she shouldn’t trust the president, but that he or she should respect policemen for example? False dichotomy.

    Respect and trust are not one and the same.

    “Policemen” and “this one particular police officer” are not congruent.

    And, as everyone who has ever gone through BCT, OCS, ROTC, the military academies will tell you, “Salute the rank, not the person.”

    I do not respect, nor do I trust BHO any more than I respect the corner pusher/pimp/illicit arms dealer, and with a plethora of good reasons. I do respect the Office of the Presidency.

    I do not respect, nor do I trust specific “dirty” cops. But I do respect the uniform of a law enforcement officer.

    These are not dichotomies, or “hypocrisy” as libturds demand (in high, screeching voices). These are mutually exclusive.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  59. “The guy has tried repeatedly to reach out to the Right-wing”

    LOL. When some lefty reaches out to me with a heaping handful of socialism, then I slap his hand away.

    Dave Surls (8f4404)

  60. ‘President Obama’s speech to school children Tuesday has received a lot of attention. As we’ve reported President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech to students back in 1991. But the Washington Examiner reports the complaints leading up to Obama’s speech were relatively muted compared to the outrage 18 years ago.’

    ‘Back then, some Democrats not only denounced Bush’s speech, but even launched congressional hearings into the matter and asked the Government Accountability Office to investigate federal funds used for the speech. The GAO eventually said the administration did nothing wrong.’

    ‘But at the time — October 10, 1991 — the National Education Association said it could not “endorse a president who spends $26,000 dollars of taxpayers’ money on a staged media event… while cutting school lunch funds for our neediest youngsters.”‘

    ‘But, ahead of President Obama’s speech — September 6, 2009 — the NEA wrote: “We applaud President Obama for delivering this message to students.”‘–Fox News

    And, as usual, the stench of lefty hypocrisy fills the air.

    Dave Surls (8f4404)

  61. oh. Thanks for getting my back Mr. Stashiu… I don’t get why it’s sexist to be criticizing a hoochie what asserts to the American wymyns that looking like a chemo patient is the price a wymyn should gladly pay for the opportunity to be a dirty socialist propaganda trollop on the NBC.

    It’s not a message of empowerment I don’t think.

    happyfeet (6b707a)

  62. Any takers on a wager that the arsebandit sh*tforbrains is someone we have seen before?

    JD (8541bc)

  63. He’s right. Any parent that is against their kids going to hear someone tell them the importance of staying in school. Reading their books and making good grades is not fit to be a parent. They shouldn’t be parents in the first place. Think of all the many kids inspired by the President’s speech that day and how that has led them to want to be good citizens and great people in the future. Now think of what they might grow to become. Now contrast that with all those parents who tried to stop their kids from such a life changing moment. Not good.

    The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding (1b037c)

  64. Wow. Barack’s dirty socialist Associated Press pulls dirty socialist propaganda codger Walter Mears out of retirement. I guess none of their current propaganda monkeys wanted to take one for the team by signing off on this particular missive of dumb.

    The office, whoever the man in the White House, always has commanded respect. That is eroding in the era of nonstop talk shows and angry blogs.

    It has been an American tradition for losing candidates in presidential elections to urge their followers to respect the outcome, to say that the winner is their president, too. Episodes like the school speech flap say something different.

    Someone be a love and help Walter with a fresh depends.

    happyfeet (6b707a)

  65. Now contrast that with all those parents who tried to stop their kids from such a life changing moment. Not good.

    Is it possible to be narcissistic by proxy?

    BJTexs (a2cb5a)

  66. Think of all the many kids inspired by the President’s speech that day and how that has led them to want to be good citizens and great people in the future. Now think of what they might grow to become. Now contrast that with all those parents who tried to stop their kids from such a life changing moment.

    Gee, here I am, a veteran, a successful attorney, happily married, a father, and I never had the President tell me to stay in school and work hard. How could I have possibly done it? It’s crazy! I must be some kind of mutant. How can anyone in America hope to succeed unless they have heard the One!! tell them to stay in school and work hard.

    Claiming that the controversy over the President speaking to all of America’s schoolkids was overblown and foolish is one thing. Claiming that his speech did anything for anyone beyond cliche ‘stay in school’ messages is insane and idiotic.

    Do you really believe your own spin? That kids who missed O’s speech will suddenly turn to a life of crime and die b/c they won’t be smart enough to feed themselves? And that the kids who heard the speech will all be doctors and cure cancer? Really?

    Guy, you need to re-evaluate your worship of Obama. His soothing voice does not bestow greatness on the listner simply by virtue of being heard. He cannot cure illness by gazing upon his continence. I doubt very much that anyone hearing the speech on Monday’s life was changed in any way. And, I doubt that anyone missing the speech will look back at that as the day their life fell apart.

    Monkeytoe (e66874)

  67. @66
    Now you are projecting, Monkeytoe. Never said those who did not hear him are doomed. Unless you are self confessed pessimist or a liar, surely you must believe that Barack Obama’s story is an inspiring one. A black son of a single white mother, growing to become the President of the most powerful nation on Earth. Through vision, hard work and responsibility. If that doesn’t inspire kids to know that if they work hard at their studies and stay focused on their dreams, they can be anything they want to be. I wonder what else can. And if you are honest, you will admit that somehow, someone inspired you to achieve the things you have so far achieved.

    The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding (1b037c)

  68. My kids remind me everyday that they think I’m stupid – I hardly need a talkin head to point out the bloody obvious

    EricPWJohnson (999d2e)

  69. The Emperor, you have no business implying that others are liars, given your own propensity to make baseless accusations.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  70. Assclown once again proves the correctness of his name with this whopper: “The guy has tried repeatedly to reach out to the Right-wing …

    SPQR (26be8b)

  71. Whow Emperor

    His mom was a VP of a bank

    Both of his fathers were fantastically wealthy

    His grandparents were wealthy

    His first job was 60K for part time street work with no office hours

    Every single Republican who ran against him in the Republican Nomination with the exception of Romney truely came from humble begginnings

    get some facts

    EricPWJohnson (999d2e)

  72. SPQR, are you or are you not a debunker? (The “paid” aspect was more of a joke.)

    The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding (1b037c)

  73. Now you are claiming that your baseless accusation was a joke? That was predicted to be your excuse long ago. But no, you don’t even say that it was a joke, you say it was “more of a joke”. And still refuse to withdraw it.

    You have no integrity.

    You are pathetic.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  74. EricPW, I apologize for my shallowness of knowledge. I denounce myself.

    The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding (1b037c)

  75. @74
    And you have no sense of humor. That is regrettable. And as for me not having integrity, you are too small to tell me that. You don’t me. So f*ck you!

    The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding (1b037c)

  76. @76
    You don’t know me.

    The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding (1b037c)

  77. Lots of unintentional humor in #77.

    “Know thyself” comes to mind.

    That’s right up there with “I work here is done.”

    Eric Blair (721b15)

  78. Emp,

    there is a big difference between saying someone has an inspiring life story and saying, as you did:

    66.Think of all the many kids inspired by the President’s speech that day and how that has led them to want to be good citizens and great people in the future. Now think of what they might grow to become. Now contrast that with all those parents who tried to stop their kids from such a life changing moment.

    Here you have stated that everyone who heard the speech is going to become something great and everyone who didn’t is somehow not – and the parents of those who did not allow their children to hear the speech are “not fit to be parents” – which implies they have doomed their kids by not letting them hear the speech.

    So, either you meant what you wrote or you did not. Either you believe the speech was the most important event in a school child’s life, or it was just a cliche ridden speech about staying in school.

    What you wrote was that parent’s who opposed the speech are not fit to be parents. Thus, the speech itself must be the most important thing ever, or else how could you say such a stupid thing?

    You implied that students who did not hear the speech would not ever seek or achieve any kind of greatness.

    Like all dems, you argue out of both sides of your mouth at once. I was pointing out the silliness of your comment, and when confronted by it, you deny the comment. Either you believed it when you wrote it and you now realize how asinine it was, or you are not arguing in good faith to begin with. Which?

    As to O!!! – he went to prep schools, and then used AA to get into a good collage and good law school. Hardly the stuff of legend. He used racialism and radicalism to make connections and then became a state senator. He then won his U.S. Senate seat by getting a court to violate ethical principals and release documents from a divorce proceeding to get his opponent to withdraw. A decent story but not the story of someone overcoming major obstacles in life through hard work and integrity.

    And, it is possible to achieve and be ambitious without some “personal role model” whose “life story” inspired you. My parents inspired me through simple lessons of moral values and the value of hard work. I did not idolize any politician or other person to get me to where I am today. I worked hard and earned what I have – as most Americans have. Only a leftist believes that personal success only comes from some outside source.

    Monkeytoe (e66874)

  79. Your actions define you, The Emperor. And they define your lack of integrity for all to see.

    We know you.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  80. Now you are projecting, Monkeytoe. Never said those who did not hear him are doomed. Unless you are self confessed pessimist or a liar, surely you must believe that Barack Obama’s story is an

    inspiring one. A black son of a single white mother, growing to become the President of the most powerful nation on Earth. Through vision, hard work and responsibility. If that doesn’t inspire kids to know that if they work hard at their studies and stay focused on their dreams, they can be anything they want to be. I wonder what else can. And if you are honest, you will admit that somehow, someone inspired you to achieve the things you have so far achieved.

    Wasn’t Clinton’s life story fairly similar (even the part about being black)? why then do we have kids still dropping out of school?

    Your comments continue to show a worship of O! Simply by being he is going to save a whole generation of kids. And if not, then the world is lost b/c nothing can.

    Please. YOu really need to evaluate whether you believe O! is a politician or our saviour. Your comments indicate the latter.

    Monkeytoe (e66874)

  81. Yeah, Obama’s a successful politician, but he’s never actually succeeded at anything other than self promotion. Getting elected is one thing… doing a good job is another.

    No one in their right mind thinks Obama is doing a good job. Almost everything Obama complained abut bush doing, especially regarding transparency and deficit spending, Obama is worse on. He’s getting run over by congress and Palin’s facebook page. He is proof that the USA is not systemically racist against blacks and a black person has as many or much more opportunity as a white man. That’s inspiring to kids who were lied to by the democrats. Did Obama’s speech help? Probably a bit for some, but Obama has “burdened these kids with tremendous burden due to his failure of leadership.” At least that’s what Barack Obama said Bush was doing when he voted against an increase to the debt limit in 2006.

    Parents who pull their kids out of school just don’t trust Obama. It’s no knock on them that Obama toned down his speech, pulled the offensive questions, and didn’t do anything wrong this time. They simply didn’t know what he was going to do because they don’t trust him. They can pass along morals and values much better than Uncle Sugar.

    Juan (bd4b30)

  82. Who gives a rat’s ass where Obama came from, how he was raised, or what he registers on a light meter? He has a job to do. President of the United States. And he is not up to the job. Which some of us knew beforehand.

    nk (df76d4)

  83. Monkeytoe, you understand the premise of my comment. I was responding to the title and post of this thread. If meeting with the President (Democratic or Republican) is good for your kids and can inspire them to be the best they can be, it would not be good parenting to keep your kids away from it, in the name of partisanship. That is my point. Accusing me of worshiping Obama does not make me see you as a very bright debater. And I know you are intelligent enough to understand my point.

    The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding (1b037c)

  84. Emp,

    If meeting with the President (Democratic or Republican) is good for your kids and can inspire them to be the best they can be,

    Really, in your estimation, how many kids “met” with the president on Tues? Being forced to watch a speech (about which there were some reasonable concerns based upon advance material) and meeting the president are two very different things – I think even someone as brilliant as you can see that.

    Also, you do realize that what you consider inspiring, etc. may be different from someone else’s definition?

    A few other quick thoughts:

    A) you are not very good at making your points, as what you write and what you ultimately claim your point to be are often two very different things;

    b) that is not what you wrote;

    c) who the hell are you to tell me or anyone else what is being a good parent? Not letting someone see a president’s speech is bad parenting? I guess it would also be unamerican to not watch the president’ speech tonight? Should there be laws requiring us all to listen to every utterance this president makes?

    D) please cite me anything in the speech that you consider particularly “inspiring” and worthy of calling any parent who did not want their kid to be forced to hear it a bad parent?

    e) do you at least admit that the pre-speech materials requiring kids to write letters on how to help O! or celebreties pledging support for O! could cause a parent concern about whether or not this was going to be a political show?

    You keep talking about how “inspiring” O! is and how simply hearing him say “stay in school” is a life changing event and anyone who disagrees is some kind of bad parent. that sounds worshipful. His speech was ultimately benign, but it was also ultimately uninspiring and boring.

    Monkeytoe (e66874)

  85. Juan
    No one in their right mind thinks Obama is doing a good job.
    And how would you know that? He is just 8 months into it and you are already calling him a failure. What’s the rush? Would you have called Bill Clinton a failure by this time 16 years ago? Would you be right on hindsight? I know you are desperate for Obama to fail. I know it would really help your party. But will it be good for your country? Think again.

    The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding (1b037c)

  86. Lovie, a wise man once said “Open your mouth wider when you speak.”

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  87. English, do you speak it?

    emperor, I said doing… as in present tense. I know it because it’s obvious. Obama stated the parameters of success. the included ending the partisan divide, reducing the deficit, reducing our soldier casualties, improving the economy, reducing unemployment, improving health care.

    He’s gone backwards. We’re worse off. Most Americans disapprove. Those who actually approve of Obama are that cluster of fools who think Bush wanted 9/11 to occur. Which I grant is millions of people including top Obama czars… but that’s why I stipulated the ‘in their right minds’ part.

    anyone reading my comment would understand that I am saying you are not in your right mind if you think Obama’s doing a good job.

    Juan (bd4b30)

  88. oh yeah, and tax cuts. Obama is not a success unless I get tax cuts. Obama promised he was up to the job of reducing the deficit, improving the economy, improving our international problems, giving everyone all kinds of ‘free’ stuff, and giving almost everyone a tax cut.

    Is Obama successfully doing that? His party has control of the entire government, and he’s not meeting his promises. He has no excuses. He can’t pretend the GOP is the problem. Obama is the problem. He’s not ready to lead.

    Juan (bd4b30)

  89. Juan, this is all high school crush business. The supporters of the President have to defend everything he does, even if they have to move goalposts into the next county, or be outstandingly hypocritical. Or, more to the point, raise issues of false equivalence.

    As Cindy Sheehan about that.

    They are invested in this guy. But in their hearts, the supporters know that they need to justify their own choice…and things are much, much different than they were led to believe.

    They couldn’t have been misled by a politician, could they?

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  90. Stop having sex with “lovie” in your dream, John.

    The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding (1b037c)

  91. eric, it’s really strange, right? I didn’t see anyone defend Bush like this… well except for Andrew Sullivan for a while.

    Americans don’t like this kind of fawning. We do not want a king. Obama promised everyone everything… he said he was up to the task of ending partisan conflict, and then acted like a fucking idiot by chanting ‘I won’ and refusing to meet with the GOP on health care since April. He promised to keep Iran from getting nukes, and now they mock us by saying our plan is to beg them to even talk to us.

    He’s just not reaching his stated goals. Which is no surprise… they were lies from the start. I accept that some people have a hard time being informed and took his promises at face value. ‘Tax Cuts’ ‘reduced deficit’ ‘smart diplomacy’ ‘tranparency’ ‘less KIAs’ That sounds good.

    They will hold Obama accountable to those standards.

    Juan (bd4b30)

  92. I know it because it’s obvious. Obama stated the parameters of success. the included ending the partisan divide, reducing the deficit, reducing our soldier casualties, improving the economy, reducing unemployment, improving health care.
    Gosh! In eight months? Come on Juan. Be fair. But some things in that your list are not really up to him. Like ending the partisan divide. Not with folks like you wishing him failure and bumping into him over silly things like the issue in question. Talking to kids. And reducing soldier casualties is not in any man’s hand to deliver. Not while you are still in a war. The economy is gradually improving. It will take a little time to begin to see indications in everyday life. Great days are ahead. But let me ask you, has the President kept one single promise he made as a candidate? Like ending the war in Iraq in a responsible manner? Any?

    The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding (1b037c)

  93. Lovie – Barcky said he would do all of those things. Teh One even claimed to have stopped the oceans from rising. In all of the topics Juan listed, not only has he not improved them, in most cases, he has made them dramatically worse. But you are a believer, a short-bus marmoset like arseclown, JW Dhimmi, and the rest of your ilk.

    JD (cd470a)

  94. Obama is a failure today because of his own actions. Every one of his promises, he has failed at to date all by himself.

    All of his promises have been broken without exception. No middle class tax cut, instead the most crippling debt in US history. He’s failed to turn around on Afghanistan as promised, instead its become worse under his administration. Don’t Ask Don’t Tell is still policy. Guantanamo Bay is not only still open but there is no plan to close it ( one of several failures of Obama that has left the US better off ).

    There is no more “transparency” to government. He’s continued Bush policy in communications intercept ( another failure that has left the US better off ).

    Congress is more corrupt, Charles Rangel has been caught doing what Ted Stevens was indicted for – and for more money. Obama’s justice dept gave New Mexico’s Richardson a pass for criminal corruption, overriding the local US Attorney ( something that Obama promised he would reduce the politization of – another failure ).

    SPQR (26be8b)

  95. SPQR – Don’t forget dropping the charges against the New Black Panthers for voter intimidation 😉 , posting all bills on the internet for at least 5 days prior to signing, net negative growth of federal budget, deficit neutral healthcare reform, no lobbyists in White House ….

    JD (e69a5a)

  96. And he hasn’t paid my mortgage or my car payment.

    FAIL

    steve miller (c5e78c)

  97. Gosh! In eight months? Come on Juan. Be fair. But some things in that your list are not really up to him. Like ending the partisan divide

    yeah, b/c trying to jam a 1,000+ page bill to take over 1/5 of the american economy through congress before anyone read it was an attempt to bridge the partisan divide.

    Cap and trade is an attempt to bridge the partisan divide.

    Card check is an attempt to bridge the partisan divide.

    Having your surrogates call your opponents racist for opposing your socialist policy is attempting to bridge the partisan divide.

    Constantly blaming all your current problems on your predecessor is attempting to bridge the partisan divide.

    Do you even live on earth?

    I don’t want america to fail – I want policies that will cause america to fail to be stopped. It just so happens that Obama is pursuing the policies that will cause america to fail. therefore he must be stopped.

    As to his honesty, I can’t think of one thing he has said that he hasn’t himself contradicted w/in a week or been proven flat-out wrong.

    And, some of the things he campaigned on he never intended to do – and would never have won had he been honest. For instance, he never intended for 95% of americans to get a tax cut – and he always intended to raise taxes. Had he been honest, he would never have been elected. All politicians are oily in their promises. Most don’t promise the exact opposite of what they believe though – which is what O! was all about.

    Monkeytoe (e66874)

  98. Would you have called Bill Clinton a failure by this time 16 years ago? Would you be right on hindsight?

    I would not call Clinton a failure. Nor would I call him anything better than an average president. What great thing did Clinton do that will be remembered 50 years from now? What great speech did he give? What foreign policy success? What domestic policy success? Balancing the budget? Welfare Reform? Don’t ask Don’t tell? Will those things be worth a footnote in a history textbook?

    I would say that O! has been a failure up to this point – but then I think the domestic policies he is pursuing are ruinous, his foreign policy is feckless at best, and the policies he is pursuing and manner in which he is pursuing them are creating even more partisan divide than previously existed, if possible.

    Monkeytoe (e66874)

  99. The GOP nominated John Mccain. i have no doubt whatsoever that the Republicans who were happy with that would have been delighted to cross the partisan divide and work with Obama.

    Right now, the biggest legislation being considered is the health insurance reform. It affects all of us personally. Obama has refused to allow the GOP to come to the white house and discuss the matter since April. He chanted ‘I won’ and blamed everything on the GOP. He blames legislation he voted for on Bush.

    The idea that Obama isn’t responsible for the partisan divide growing much worse is just insane. It’s his fault… 100% He had a GOP that was historically at its most moderate, and he shut them out completely. You don’t get to blame the guy locked out of the room for a partisan tone inside the room.

    And that misses the point entirely: Obama promised he was up to the job of ending the partisan hate. He now blames the GOP, but it’s Obama who made the promise he now claims wasn’t within his ability. When I sell you a Delorean by promising it is a time machine, I can’t say later that it’s impossible. I made the promise.

    Obama will be held up to his promised standards… the many he has never intended to live up to.

    Juan (bd4b30)

  100. “a lot of the parents complaining aren’t smart enough to raise them very effectively.”

    That will always be a matter of opinion, of course.

    For myself, I’m pretty happy how my kids turned out.

    I’m happy to say that none of my kids grew up to be MSM “journalists”. If they had, I’d consider myself to be a failure as a parent.

    Dave Surls (fb5e8a)

  101. You are cynics. Nothing I say here will change your mind about this President. He is not your President. In your little world, he is a failure. A liar and a bad person. I won’t attempt to change your mind. I can’t. No one can. But time will tell.

    The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding (1b037c)

  102. You are cynics. Nothing I say here will change your mind about this President. He is not your President. In your little world, he is a failure. A liar and a bad person. I won’t attempt to change your mind. I can’t. No one can. But time will tell.

    Two points. I’m pretty confident that you and yours were about as supportive of President Bush as we are of Obama. So your moral rightessnous is pathetic at best here.

    Second, he is a liar. He has been caught in many lies already, so that is not a “belief” but a truth.

    Finally, you are right – time will tell on whether he is a failure or success. But, ultimately, even that we will not agree on. You believe he will be a success if he manages to have gov’t take over health care. I think that would be an epic failure.

    And as far as persuasion, you have not attempted that. Persuasion requires reasoned argument based on facts. You have never done that. So, you have never really attempted to change anyone’s mind.

    My mind has changed dramatically over time. I was a knee-jerk liberal until the end of the 90’s. Experience and education led me to believe I was very wrong in those beliefs. So, my mind is very open to change. But it takes more than cult of personality and platitudes to change my mind.

    Monkeytoe (2b1976)

  103. STFU you cynical and racist rightwingNazis! We won.

    JD (e7c77f)

  104. You believe he will be a success if he manages to have gov’t take over health care. I think that would be an epic failure.
    What would you do? Leave things the way they are?

    The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding (1b037c)

  105. Indeed, The Emperor, until a better alternative is proven.

    A Conservative would know that.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  106. I think that the point many people struggle with is this one: change is not always good.

    Sometimes, things that don’t work well are better than things that work less well, or not at all.

    So it is here. “We have to do something” is an…um…nonoptimal strategy. It’s better to have a well thought out plan, rather than a thousand pages of text that no one read…but must be voted on, quickly. Just to pick an example out of the air.

    And when the people pushing this change are Pelosi and Reid, anyone should be nervous.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  107. Let’s see … Leaving a flawed but good system alone, or implementing one that has been proven to be a failure throughout the entire world. I will stick with the status quo, thank you. Making things worse for the sake of reform is not very appealing.

    JD (5b1232)

  108. @106
    How are you going to prove an alternative you are not willing to try?

    The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding (1b037c)

  109. The entire US healthcare system as an experiment, that’s the kind of vapid thought we have learned to expect from The Emperor.

    That and a total lack of integrity.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  110. And you still wear very tight pants, SPQR. Loosen up!

    The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding (1b037c)

  111. “How are you going to prove an alternative you are not willing to try?”

    I’m not willing to try jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge. Other people who have tried it have come to bad ends.

    Dave Surls (fb5e8a)

  112. I don’t believe it is the gov’t’s job to provide health care. I think health care is a “right” only in that gov’t does not have the authority to prevent an individual from obtaining it.

    I think our system works pretty damn good. Better than anywhere else in fact. I think the lies perpetrated by your side are just that – lies. At most there are 4-5 million uninsured. I would be willing to work on a program to get them some form of catastrophic care insurance.

    To make health care more affordable, i would allow health insurance to be sold across state lines and would reform medical malpractice lawsuits.

    I would provide tax breaks for health savings accounts and allow people to grow those accoutns rather than losing whatever is not spent each year.

    I would focus on medicare and medicaid fraud to reduce costs to those programs.

    I would enforce the borders and enforce immigration laws to reduce the costs to our health care system from illegals.

    I’m sure there are other good ideas out there.

    But ultimately, yes – I would do nothing rather than the ruinous plan the democrats have.

    Monkeytoe (a5564f)

  113. yes – let’s “try” socialized health care. When we have put the health insurance industry out of biz and realize that gov’t health care is terrible and expensive, what do we do? At that point it will be too late.

    But, why are the libs afraid to try the more reasonable and easier to undo ideas proposed by conservatives? Why do we have to go whole hog first on gov’t takeover?

    Monkeytoe (a5564f)

  114. And, Obamacare has been tried and failed pretty much wherever it’s been tried. Most recently in Mass. But before that, Canada, England, and many other countries.

    So, how many times must we try and fail before we realize that socialism does not work?

    Monkeytoe (a5564f)

  115. Comment by Stashiu3 — 9/8/2009 @ 11:24 pm

    I just got home from work and read #47, and frankly I can’t deal with that…which is just as well because you did a beautiful job. Merci!

    Dana (863a65)

  116. You know, I’ve been reading this blog for a while. {It’s actually sometimes better than doing acid. Reality is a very fluid funhouse at PP’s Lounge for bitter Right-winger’s in deep denial.} and…not any of you in the regular’s peanut gallery has an ounce of credibility to stand on. Not one.

    It’s not like before he was elected you folks made ad iota or smidgen of an attempt to give the guy a fair hearing. Didn’t happen after he won the election (I know that hurt. So many here said it could never be.) Oh and I don’t exactly remember anyone here saying after Obama was sworn in “Hey he’s the president now, lets wish him the best and give him an open mind and a fair shot. No, not at all. The knives have been out for Obama forever. And you people just get more and more bitter and desperate as he racks up the success stories and will continue to…

    So, yeah, you guys, PP’s Dirty Dozen, couldn’t work up a credible speck of credibility on the issue of Obama if you tried. You were never objective of the man to begin with and yet you speak with such dim-witted skewered logic about the man’s life and what he has or hasn’t accomplished, everything is about tearing him down and not giving any credit at all.

    Meanwhile you all gang up on Lovie…and act like a bunch of Blutto’s beating on Olive Oyl (No offense Lovie). That is SO impressive and CLASSY.

    BTW is Joe Wilson, the Rep. from SC, a member of PP’s Lounge for classy bitter right-winger’s cos that is one very classy, smart and sexy Mofo, who’s going to go far…I say..I say….

    Good role model for children too, I’d think…

    Assclown doodyheads (2be977)

  117. TL, DR

    And that’s saying a lot, coming from me.

    Juan (bd4b30)

  118. Yes, commenter @ 9:24 pm has been around for some time. And, yes, it has been called out for sock-puppetry before.

    I remember my good ol’ days when I was a distance runner on the track team and XC team in HS. There were some teams which were known for their dirty tactics. “Hey, watch out, this team throws elbows and will intentionally shove you off track.” Those teams were well-known by other teams. And, yes, some of their better runners got caught cheating and were disqualified before the race was even over; they just didn’t know it.

    So, when someone is a dirty socialist liar who uses the obviously corrupt ACORN and all sorts of obviously dirty campaign money to lie, cheat, and steal his way into office, that person has already been disqualified as being worthy of a “chance to prove himself.” And yet, that person has repeatedly proven himself to be the dirty socialist liar who uses criminals and terrorists and goon squads to further his agenda, at the expense of the US and the Constitution.

    Thank you, no, I will not give the turd a chance to destroy my country if I have any say in the matter.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  119. So, when someone is a dirty socialist liar who uses the obviously corrupt ACORN and all sorts of obviously dirty campaign money to lie, cheat, and steal his way into office, that person has already been disqualified as being worthy of a “chance to prove himself.” And yet, that person has repeatedly proven himself to be the dirty socialist liar who uses criminals and terrorists and goon squads to further his agenda, at the expense of the US and the Constitution.

    Whoa. Your forgot to mention he dines on the delicate livers of preschool children and mugs grandmothers on the way to the bank to deposit their Social Security checks.

    DO you know how utterly and completely totally massively loony tunes you sound?

    You have no facts. You have trumped up lies and the endless grotesque spin of the right wing media dolts. You’re wrong. I know you won’t believe me, but friend, you are SO SO wrong. Trust me on this.

    Assclown doodyheads (2be977)

  120. Hax – How can we miss you if you don’t stay gone?

    daleyrocks (718861)

  121. Yes, I for one always trust people named Mr Doodyheads.

    Especially when they end their rant with ‘trust me!’

    Acorn is corrupt. There is no doubt much of his donations were illegal. You call someone ‘wrong’ for saying what’s right. We don’t trust Obama because of the times we’ve known him to be dishonest.

    Juan (bd4b30)

  122. No offence taken, Assclown Doodyheads. You can see the work we have at hand. A lot of angry, bitter haters on this blog. Thank God they don’t represent the majority. Just a small crowd.

    The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding (1b037c)

  123. So Assclown is saying that a half dozen ACORN people were not arrested for fraudulent registrations this week?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  124. Arseclown and Lovie make such a cute couple.

    JD (5f5402)

  125. Yeah, so what? It snowed in the South Pole yesterday, too. Care to make a more ridiculous charge? You simply will not believe the president was elected fairly and that it was ACORN who put him in? Are you out of your mind? This was not a close race friend. IT was a decisive win. You got nuthin’.

    Assclown doodyheads (2be977)

  126. Nuthin’ but your increasing irrelevance and PP’s Lounge for Classy Young Men.

    Assclown doodyheads (2be977)

  127. What kind of life does one have to have to continue to go to a place where they are mocked, scorned, and have been told by the owner that they are not welcome?

    JD (4ca6eb)

  128. “Is there not going to be a Front Page Post about South Carolina’s Classy Joe Wilson. . . “

    Not to be confused with lying dirtbag Joe Wilson, the spouse of Valerie Plame.

    Official Internet Data Office (35ff72)

  129. JD, I am beginning to find you boring and annoying. I think you are trying too much to impress your kind. Try to be yourself more. You are better that way. Just an advice.

    The Emperor who is trying to be more understanding (1b037c)

  130. DO you know how utterly and completely totally massively loony tunes you sound?
    Comment by Assclown doodyheads

    This from someone who has chosen to use a forum handle of “Assclown doodyheads”? How old are you anyway? I hope not too old, perhaps no more than high-school-aged or, at worse, college-aged.

    Nothing more pathetic than a person older than that to still be so lacking in common sense and caught up in “I’m liberal, therefore I am” thinking.” To believe that “progressivism” instills great compassion and generosity in a person. Keep in mind that it doesn’t.

    When I observe people like you, with your overly emotional, immature reactions — with your likely being a brat in real life, talking out of both sides of your mouth like a stereotypical limousine liberal — I think of what’s described below:

    Reason.com:

    [Arthur C.] Brooks shows that those who say they strongly oppose redistribution by government to remedy income inequality give over 10 times more to charity than those who strongly support government intervention, with a difference of $1,627 annually versus $140 to all causes. The average donation to educational causes among redistributionists was eight dollars per year, compared with $140 from their ideological opposites, and $96 annually to health care causes from free marketeers versus $11 from egalitarians.

    A 2002 poll found that those who thought government “was spending too much money on welfare” were significantly more likely than those who wanted increased spending on welfare to give directions to someone on the street, return extra change to a cashier, or give food and/or money to a homeless person.

    Brooks finds that households with a conservative at the helm gave an average of 30 percent more money to charity in 2000 than liberal households (a difference of $1,600 to $1,227). The difference isn’t explained by income differential—in fact, liberal households make about 6 percent more per year. Poor, rich, and middle class conservatives all gave more than their liberal counterparts. And while religion is a major factor, the figures don’t just show tithing to churches. Religious donors give significantly more to non-religious causes than do their secular counterparts.

    The people who give the least are the young, especially young liberals. Brooks writes that “young liberals — perhaps the most vocally dissatisfied political constituency in America today — are one of the least generous demographic groups out there. In 2004, self-described liberals younger than thirty belonged to one-third fewer organizations in their communities than young conservatives. In 2002, they were 12 percent less likely to give money to charities, and one-third less likely to give blood.” Liberals, he says, give less than conservatives because of religion, attitudes about government, structure of families, and earned income. The families point is driven home by other results from Brooks. He writes that young liberals are less likely do nice things for their nearest and dearest, too. Compared with young conservatives, “a lower percentage said they would prefer to suffer than let a loved one suffer, that they are not happy unless the loved one is happy, or that they would sacrifice their own wishes for those they love.”

    Mark (411533)

  131. Loving humanity but not humans. Thanks for the quote and reference.

    MD in Philly (d4f9fa)

  132. Lovie – Your comment brings me great sadness. Maybe when I get my deficit neutral unicorn and my free tank of gas, all will be better.

    JD (1e04df)

  133. It’s not like before he was elected you folks made ad iota or smidgen of an attempt to give the guy a fair hearing. Didn’t happen after he won the election (I know that hurt. So many here said it could never be.) Oh and I don’t exactly remember anyone here saying after Obama was sworn in “Hey he’s the president now, lets wish him the best and give him an open mind and a fair shot. No, not at all. The knives have been out for Obama forever. And you people just get more and more bitter and desperate as he racks up the success stories and will continue to…

    Yeah, I remember the love the left gave to Bush when he became president. they rallied around him and said “give him a chance.” they gave him credit for his accomplishments, like joining and serving in the Texas Air Guard as a pilot and volunteering to go to Vietnam. they gave him credit as being intelligent by virtue of him having received better grades in college than Gore or Kerry. they trusted him as honest when he spoke to America.

    Coming on this site and telling us we are wrong and you are right is so persuasive. I now understand that I must worship O! like you and the emp. Your logic skills and reasoned arguments really reach me.

    Oh, and by the way, all of O!’s policy ideas have a majority disapproval. So claiming we are a small minority in opposition to his agenda really strengthens your credibility. But I guess you will tell me that the “corporate media” is lying in the polls b/c they are “out to get” O!

    Yeah. You’re credible. And your moral rightousness is so well deserved.

    Monkeytoe (e66874)

  134. Mark,

    I would point out that if all of the rich liberals trying to enact socialism (Soros, Kennedy, almost all of the hollywood stars) gave 50% of their current wealth and 50% of their earnings (capital gains and income) for the rest of their lives, they could set up a health care fund that would easily pay for America’s uninsured.

    Why don’t they do that? Indeed, if teh Kennedy clan has always been so concerned w/ the poor, why are the Kennedys still rich? Why haven’t they donated away their wealth? Same with Soros.

    If I were a liberal, I would be demanding that my rich fellow-travellers put their money where their alleged ideals are. Soros could give 3 billion toward teh poor today. The Kennedys could probably come close to matching that. the 100 richest hollywood liberals could probably put together a few billion. Jane Fond and Ted Turner could chip in. That would be $10 billion to go toward programs for teh poor tomorrow!!

    But, it will never, ever, in a million years happen. They don’t want to give up their riches.

    Monkeytoe (e66874)


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