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9/5/2009

More Self Defense in Texas

Filed under: Crime — DRJ @ 12:18 am



[Guest post by DRJ]

Two Texas teens were killed and a third was injured in a San Marcos home invasion that appears to be a clear case of self-defense:

“About 2 a.m. Friday, when a San Marcos resident heard a commotion outside his bedroom, he grabbed his .40-caliber Glock pistol and opened the door, police said. When he saw a teenager pointing a gun at him, according to police, the resident fired several shots that left two Luling 16-year-olds dead and another teen seriously wounded. A fourth teen fled to escape from the gunfire, police said.

Three of the four youths appeared to be holding weapons, police say. One had a handgun, and the other two had pellet guns that looked like handguns, police said.”

A fourth suspect was arrested when he reportedly returned looking for his friends. At least two of the alleged home invaders are students at a local school. The school superintendent said grief counselors had been sent to the school to help the kids “that are struggling with this.”

No charges are expected to be filed.

— DRJ

67 Responses to “More Self Defense in Texas”

  1. 3 outt 4… Not too bad. I like how the idiot 4th came back, to a house likely surrounded with cops, looking for his buddies.

    Pro Tip, junior… You get shot at by the guy that lives in the house you broke into, you run like hell, and pretend you were at home all night.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  2. Can we pretend I live in Texas? Or can we choose to look at my lineage, which traces through the nation of Texas? Them boogers who can blame everyone but themselves could well meet the same results if they climb into my house. And I don’t care if they have butter knives or even pictures of sawed-off butter knives in their hands.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  3. Those counseling sessions shouldn’t be too complicated:

    “We’re sorry your dead classmates were felonious morons who pointed guns at someone able to do something about it. I’d suggest avoiding that as a career choice.”

    M. Scott Eiland (5ccff0)

  4. I am sure the gentleman saved someone somewhere heartaches in the future.
    They will never “do the time” and be released to prey on anyone again.

    The 2nd Amendment works.

    No place but Texas.

    Paul Albers (24892c)

  5. This shooting was justified in all 50 states. This about as clean and justified as it gets.

    Duke Nukem (d9d8ce)

  6. From DRJ’s link:

    As news crews arrived Friday morning at the small gray house on Chestnut Street, residents inside had boarded up windows and draped a curtain over the front entrance, which was missing a door.
    ….

    He said officials obtained a search warrant to collect evidence from the Chestnut Street residence, which is standard procedure, and that officials took four guns from the home.

    Who broke the windows and took the door? And why take the people’s guns?

    nk (df76d4)

  7. The school superintendent said grief counselors had been sent to the school to help the kids “that are struggling with this.”

    Here’s some ‘counseling’ for the student body, “This is what happens when you try to take other people’s stuff. To avoid becoming a student body yerself, stick to studying.”

    EW1(SG) (edc268)

  8. There shouldn’t be one tear shed for these morons. There is enough information available to kids this age to let them know that home invasion is a crime and that some people (usually conservatives) might take offense to being robbed at gun point. The two that remain breathing might want to take note. And when they get out of jail in 50 years do something with their lives that is constructive.

    I am now convinced that my choice of .40 S&W is the right one. At least one residence in NM is armed. Just sayin’.

    PatriotRider (37b91c)

  9. These kids definately are Darwin Award nominees. Home invasion robbery in Texas?! Might as well play chicken with a train.

    SGT Ted (c47cc2)

  10. It will be interesting to hear from their bereaved parents, if we ever get those interviews. No doubt they’re likely shocked about it all, but why do I get the feeling here that copious amounts of drugs were involved? Sounds like a meth – head type of numbskull play.

    Dmac (a93b13)

  11. DRJ noted:

    The school superintendent said grief counselors had been sent to the school to help the kids “that are struggling with this.”

    Yeah, ’cause I’m sure that it was all just a teenaged prank by the four very good kids who just took a bad decision once, and their friends would never, never, never have expected that they would ever do anything that would turn out so badly.

    The hard-assed Dana (474dfc)

  12. It’s eleven o’clock. Do you know where your kids are?

    PatAZ (9d1bb3)

  13. nk asked:

    And why take the people’s guns?

    Two reasons: First, they are now evidence, so they have to be examined.

    The second reason, of course, is to let the four martyred boys’ friends know that the occupant is now unarmed.

    The appalled Dana (474dfc)

  14. “Two reasons: First, they are now evidence, so they have to be examined.”

    Yeah good luck getting them back. Montana just passed a Castle Doctrine law this year that is supposed to prevent confiscation of the homeowner’s weapons in these cases.

    We’ll see.

    cassandra in MT (e16314)

  15. I’m going to wager a guess this was not the first brush these lads had with the justice system. It is certainly the last for two of them.

    Duke Nukem (d9d8ce)

  16. Nobody lost their finger.

    [note: fished from spam filter]

    imdw (60954d)

  17. Grief counselors for the kids at school?

    Hold an assembly at which the principal tells the student body that when you commit a crime and get plugged by a victim, no one with an ounce of moral decency should mourn your death (not even your mama). Also announce that there will be no excused absences for attending the funeral of either of the dead punks.

    Rhymes With Right (2b9920)

  18. IIRC, there’s no waiting period for purchasing a shotgun. If the dead idiots have vengeful idiot friends who assume that the homeowner is helpless, the San Marcos coroner might find himself with some more moron corpses to examine rather soon.

    M. Scott Eiland (5ccff0)

  19. “Children, armed home invasion is a poor career choice. Especially in Texas. That is all.”

    Techie (482700)

  20. These kids definately are Darwin Award nominees. Home invasion robbery in Texas?! Might as well play chicken with a train.

    Comment by SGT Ted

    About ten years ago, there was a serial killer who killed a number of people who lived near a railroad. It turned out he was a Mexican national who was hopping trains. When he was caught in Texas, someone made the comment that he’d passed through a bunch of states that hadn’t executed anybody in decades and he had to be pretty stupid to let himself be caught in the only one that would execute him for sure.

    Mike K (4baa9f)

  21. The school superintendent said grief counselors had been sent to the school to help the kids “that are struggling with this.”

    And for the victims of the home invasion…nothing. Just a couple of bitter clingers.

    Patricia (7aaa75)

  22. I thought I felt a disturbance in the Force as the average IQ took a jump up.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  23. Call me a cynic, but I would hazard to guess that the high school thugs were looking for drugs. That ramshackle house has 4 guns, and the shooter was using a Glock 22? That’s pretty nice firepower for a crackhouse. Just a shame all 4 of them weren’t properly ventilated.

    Speaking of crime in Texas, this happened literally around the corner from me, too bad the old gentleman wasn’t carrying: http://www.khou.com/news/local/crime/stories/khou090904_jj_sugar-land-heb-robbery.148df1cc6.html

    Houston Native (a40043)

  24. Gun control works!

    (as in properly taking aim)

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  25. #20 Patricia:

    And for the victims of the home invasion…nothing.

    Oh, I dunno. The satisfaction of a job well done, or the knowledge that those firearms handling/marksmanship courses weren’t a wasted effort?

    EW1(SG) (edc268)

  26. Comment by Mike K — 9/5/2009 @ 8:12 am

    IIRC, this individual has reposed at room-temperature for some time now…
    Thank You, Texas!

    Grief Counselors?
    What our “little darlings” need, after 30+ years of self-esteem enhanced educational-philosophy, is to meet with a group of USMC DI’s for an awakening.

    AD - RtR/OS! (552fc3)

  27. Similar incident a few days earlier, 30 miles North, involving 3 juveniles with fake security badges and air guns:

    They reportedly were ringing doorbells, rattling windows and doors, and there were reports that they were trying to enter a residence. They were arrested around 3:30am and taken into custody at a juvenile detention facility in Austin. Two of the three youths were from Lost Creek and the other was from West Lake Hills. Their explanation for the activity was that they were “bored.”

    These youngsters are lucky to be alive to enjoy their boredom, because there are some gun-owning homeowners who wouldn’t be very understanding at 3 a.m. if the pranksters entered their home.

    armadillo (a896ea)

  28. Get off my lawn, midgets!!!!

    The Emperor (1b037c)

  29. A homeowner or a resident has the right to use deadly force when someone makes an unlawful and forcible entry into the home, Austin defense lawyer Pat McNelis said. “If you’re in your own home, you have the right to protect yourself from deadly force by intruders.”
    Preach it!

    The Emperor (1b037c)

  30. If you’re going to own a handgun, you need to practice with it routinely. That’s the big difference between the homeowner and the kids. Nothing shows the benefits of practice quite like handgun marksmanship. If you don’t have time for that, get a shotgun.

    It’s sad these kids decided to be criminals, and I hope #4 learned his lesson. They brought a gun into that home, so they were aware they could kill someone in pursuit of whatever they wanted to steal.

    Juan (bd4b30)

  31. “…they were ‘bored’…”

    Another reason to close the border, deport the illegals, and put teen-agers back to work (current teen unemployment rate: 25+% – and that’s just of the ones who admit to be looking for work).
    A few hours/day of honest labor, plus doing their homework, and they’ll be too tired to be “bored”!

    AD - RtR/OS! (552fc3)

  32. A homeowner or a resident has the right to use deadly force when someone makes an unlawful and forcible entry into the home, Austin defense lawyer Pat McNelis said. “If you’re in your own home, you have the right to protect yourself from deadly force by intruders.”

    Tell that to Justice Sotomayor.

    Socratease (96a78b)

  33. I used to always stop at the Hastings in San Marcos and get cds for the car.

    In Luling I always stopped at that one convenience store I think it was called Jud’s by the train tracks. It’s almost the best convenience store ever and has great road food like burritos and taquitos and stuff and the people are super nice.

    The house they invaded was a dump or a very very clever facsimile of a dump. I feel sad they died there. They were just kids.

    happyfeet (6b707a)

  34. happyfeet, kids who made an adult choice. To be violent felons.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  35. And where were their parents? Sad? maybe. Justified? Certainly. Tears? Nope.

    PatriotRider (37b91c)

  36. You have to look at the picture of the house to feel the sad I think. Who wasn’t a violent felon at least a little when they were kids in South Texas?

    Except for those successful kids what went off and got good educations and stuff.

    happyfeet (6b707a)

  37. “The house they invaded was a dump or a very very clever facsimile of a dump.”

    Wait, are people making Potemkin dumps now? For what purpose?

    daleyrocks (718861)

  38. For what purpose?

    Bait, of course. Evil rethuglicans tricking the innocent into breaking into the home, just so they have some live humans to shoot at…

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  39. “Bait, of course.”

    Scott – D’oh! I’m so freaking stoopid sometimes. Gotta reduce crime so the bait thing works.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  40. The house they invaded was a dump or a very very clever facsimile of a dump. I feel sad they died there. They were just kids.

    What’s wrong with the house? The house apparently is a rental in a student neighborhood. There’s a piece of loose siding — BFD, students generally don’t repair the rental units they occupy. The missing door, the boarded-up windows, and the dumpster in the front yard appear to be the aftermath of the break-in. Calling the house a “dump” is like calling Sharon Tate “ugly” after the Manson Family was finished with her.

    Those four “kids” broke into the house and had their guns drawn. This tells me the incident wasn’t a robbery — they were there with the intent to kill someone. (Or at the very least, they were threatening to kill someone — going in with pellet guns was really, really stupid.)

    Perhaps it was gang-related, or perhaps someone in the house was boinking the sister of one of the perpetrators, or perhaps it was the aftermath of a soured drug deal. Or perhaps they were just having a little fun. But if they were “just kids,” then they were lethally defective kids who were willing to commit murder.

    Mike G in Corvllis (70f47e)

  41. there’s a for reals couch on the porch.

    happyfeet (6b707a)

  42. Trust me, couches on porches are not extremely unusual. If you drive through a major university’s “university district,” you’ll find a porch without a couch to be an anomaly.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  43. Not in Normal IL. They but down a city ord. years ago that makes it like a $100 fine for having one out there.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  44. Comment by Scott Jacobs — 9/5/2009 @ 3:23 pm

    Well, they need to rename the town then.

    AD - RtR/OS! (552fc3)

  45. Normal Anal-Retentive, Illinois?

    The Oregon State student district features quite a few porch sofas, too. (BTW, there appear to be two sofas on the porch in that photo.)

    Speaking of photographs, look at the picture of Frank Castro. The last time I saw someone with a forehead that low was in a Neanderthal diorama at the natural history museum.

    Mike G in Corvallis (70f47e)

  46. Bloomington-Normal, IL…

    Halfway between BO and BM.

    The ord. passed because there had been a couple of incidents of the couches catching ablaze, and in several cases there were rotting, mildew-covered couches because people NEVER took them in.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  47. Mr. Jacobs, sir, please don’t send your betrothed after me, but if you live in Hoosier country and she attends that Joe-Pa school, you are working with a negative exponent of a negative exponent in regards to our (totally serious?) discussion on the Oregon baller’s idiocy thread.

    O H! . . . I O!

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  48. … of a negative exponent (just to keep it little)

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  49. There’s a lot of couch-burning after games at Ohio State, or so I’ve read. Maybe that’s a Midwestern thing, kind of their version of cow-tipping.

    DRJ (3f5471)

  50. DRJ, I’ve heard a lot about couch-burning and dumpster fires after important Buckeye wins. It’s unfortunate that Buckeye country has to have their own fill of prepubescent 21-year-olds.

    But, yes, lots of couch-burning means lots of porch-couches available to burn.

    John Hitchcock (3fd153)

  51. This house just needs a little TLC. And porch couches are fairly common in the rural south. Not bad mouthing the south. I grew up there.

    PatAZ (9d1bb3)

  52. It’s been a few years, but last I heard couch-burning was the second-most-popular criminal activity of the student body of Bowling Green State on Saturday nights. (First: public urination.) They usually put the couches on the railroad tracks before they set fire to them.

    Dr. Weevil (d7d751)

  53. By the way, couches on porches are not unheard of even in historic towns in the Shenandoah Valley.

    Dr. Weevil (d7d751)

  54. Not bad mouthing the south.

    Well that’s good…

    I grew up there.

    Hey! I thought you weren’t gonna badmouth the south!! 🙂

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  55. Dr Weevil wrote:

    It’s been a few years, but last I heard couch-burning was the second-most-popular criminal activity of the student body of Bowling Green State on Saturday nights. (First: public urination.) They usually put the couches on the railroad tracks before they set fire to them.

    It is good to know that they remove them from the front porch before seting them ablaze.

    The safety-conscious Dana (474dfc)

  56. Scott: that’s not bad mouthing. I could do a lot worse, but JD would tell me I was racist! lol

    PatAZ (9d1bb3)

  57. “More Self-Defense in Texas”…

    Well, Texans get a lot of practice at self-defense, they have a lot to be defensive about.

    OK, DRJ…I denounce myself!

    AD - RtR/OS! (fad78f)

  58. Stories like this always make me smile.

    Peg C. (48175e)

  59. Read about in CHARLOTT NORTH CAROLINA where a a 15 year old thug tied up a old couple and him and his partners were ransacking the house the old man got loose got his gun and shot the young hood dead and the local paper the CHARLOTT OVSERVER tried to have a big sob party for the dead crinimal but no readers were willing to feel sorry for this young crinimal

    Krazy Kagu (e7ddcc)

  60. Responded to a self inflicted gunshot wound about 10 days ago. Found a DOA who had shot himself in the chest with a ‘pellet’ gun. Pellet to the heart has the same result as a 40 Cal Glock. The teen hoods were armed and dangerous, kill them with ease, and a large caliber weapon.

    Scrapiron (4e0dda)

  61. Those “victims” as people call them are drug dealers. As stated in an interview from one that lives in the house, they have an “open door” policy and anyone and everyone is welcome, so tell me why this particular night any noises were out of the ordinary that would cause them to think there was a need to grab a gun and start shooting. Also, another interview from someone living in the area says they have people coming and going all night long due to the selling of drugs, so we know they weren’t sleeping…major flaw in their huge lie to get out of murdering kids. Those boys were not breaking in, they went there to buy drugs, which I don’t agree with but that does not give those idiots a right to open fire on them! So if someone is going to sale drugs out of their home I don’t look at them as victims. From what I hear all but one of those boys had been to that house before and knew the guy. Drug deal gone bad is what it sounds like to me, and I can’t wait for that to come out in the report to shut up all these stupid people talking crap!

    Anonymous (0cdb45)

  62. It’s eleven o’clock. Do you know where your kids are?”

    Yep. Eldest is in his dorm room studying and moaning about his first football-season injury. Middle one is out with his high school fb team watching films from last year. Youngest is sitting close here, still complaining that the first few days of swim team make her hurt all over.

    Sports: The perfect outlet for kids to shed stress, to act out and relieve the violence lurking right below their surfaces, to meet like-minded people who enjoy something other than nihilism and victimhood, and to make them tired enough so they go to bed before me before all the chocolate chip cookies are gone.

    bobby b (4baf73)

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