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8/29/2009

L.A. Times’s Bob Drogin Blown Away by Poignant Funeral for Murdering Senator

Filed under: Dog Trainer,General — Patterico @ 9:24 pm

In a story that does not mention Ted Kennedy’s role in causing Mary Jo Kopechne’s death, his sexual assault of a waitress, or anything else unfavorable about the lovable scamp who left a woman to drown while he dried out (figuratively and literally), the L.A. Times today informs us of Sen. Ted Kennedy’s very, very, very moving funeral.

We are not told of how a child was exploited to move ObamaCare. But we are told that “deep loss pervaded the cold, rain-lashed morning” under “doleful gray skies.” We are assured that Teddy’s “triumphs and tragedies had touched and inspired many around the world.” We are told that Obama delivered a “moving eulogy” and that a singer delivered “a heart-stopping rendition of Schubert’s ‘Ave Maria.’”

I think reporter Bob Drogin was moved. Did you get that impression?

I also think Bob Drogin is seeking an award for poetic writing. His bid will be more powerful if he writes in complete sentences. This is not a complete sentence:

He will buried near his assassinated brothers, President John F. Kennedy and Sen. Robert F. Kennedy.

I think there’s a missing in that sentence.

Oh: did you know that the casket was gleaming? Because it was:

A white pall was placed over the gleaming wood coffin. . . . . After the service, the honor guard unfolded the flag and replaced it atop the gleaming casket as organ music swelled and church bells tolled solemnly overhead.

The thesaurus is your friend, Mr. Drogin.

But I shouldn’t criticize Mr. Drogin’s writing. It’s admirable that he was able to fight through the tears and complete the story at all.

151 Responses to “L.A. Times’s Bob Drogin Blown Away by Poignant Funeral for Murdering Senator”

  1. Let’s remember that the Kennedys have set the gold standard for political corruption in this country. After all, Ted Kennedy, unindicted 2nd degree murder in the state of Massachussetts was brought up in a family fortune built on the backs of prostitutes liquored up with boot-leg booze. There is nothing more to say.

    Mescalero (3c420c)

  2. Mr. Drogin was born (gleaming, no doubt) in 1952. A little young, but I’m pretty sure that Camelot is all over him.

    You see, I think a lot of this isn’t about Ted Kennedy dying. It’s about people high-fiving each other for being cool and hip and caring.

    Eric Blair (a88004)

  3. Not Cocktail.

    HeavenSent (01a566)

  4. The wind turbines were moving a little slower way offshore Hyannisport today.

    Scatch that. The Kennedy family was instrumental in blocking that renewable energy project.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  5. Ted Kennedy is dead and that whole skanky white trashy Camelot thing is dead and Baby Boomers are now confronted with the sure and certain knowledge that They Are Going To Die. Obamacare or not. Hah hah I think. In you Boomer face!

    A wave of dead Boomers is nigh. Dead like Mary Jo and John Lennon and Ted Kennedy and John Glenn. oh. That last may or may not be officially dead yet I’d have to google.

    happyfeet (6b707a)

  6. Funerals are for the living, not the dead.

    Conservatives obsessed with passing judgment in this life on Kennedy’s worst act in his now past life could take comfort considering Teddy’s fate for Eternity. His letter to the Pope indicates he certainly was.

    A 1959 episode of ‘The Twilight Zone’ comes to mind, titled, ‘Judgment Night” in which a 1942 U-boat captain is condemned in the after life to relive his worst act forever.

    To paraphrase Rod Serling, “The senator and his companion are heading for Chappaquiddick, and the time is 1969. For one man, it is always July 18, 1969, and this drunken man will ride the ghost of that wrong turn off a narrow bridge every night for eternity. This is what is meant by paying the fiddler. This is the comeuppance awaiting every man when the ledger of his life is opened and examined, the tally made, and then the reward or the penalty paid. And in the case of Edward Moore Kennedy, former United States Senator, brother to one assassinated president and one murdered presidential candidate, this is the penalty. This is the justice meted out. This is judgment night in the Twilight Zone.”

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  7. Kennedys are a trashy part of American pop culture is all, and that’s how they’ll be remembered I think. Trashy skanky tacky dirty socialist drunks the whole lot of them.

    happyfeet (6b707a)

  8. It’s admirable that he was able to fight through the tears and complete the story at all.

    Some of that weeping probably was inspired by the condition of his employer (ie, the bankrupt Tribune Co, circa Sam Zell or post-Zell) and the ailing shape of his industry (ie, the print media), and, in turn, the ebbing strength of his job security.

    Mark (411533)

  9. His letter to the Pope indicates he certainly was.

    Hardly. It was a letter requesting the pope’s blessing (which is, I will say, not entirely uncommon), not a letter asking for forgiveness.

    There’s a difference. One would suggest he felt bad for having acted against the church almost his entire life, the other shows that he doesn’t think such things matter to the church and it should bless him anyways.

    Which do you think Teddy’s was?

    And the fact that he enjoyed jokes about Chappa-fucking-quiddick is as telling as anything. The man had no shame, and I hope his personal Hell is an eternity of re-living MJK’s last moments from her perspective.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  10. Though unexpected, I am suprise at the comments on this blog. This family has given a lot to this country, another family member died two weeks ago, and no matter what TK was, he has sons and grandsons still living. Did anyone of you posters watch McCain and Hatch speak about their feelings for him, and their personal indebtness toward TK? Let me guess….no one will speak at your funerals, no one will memoralize you, and you def are not getting buried where TK is getting buried.

    No one of you were at Chappa so how can you comment about it? It is just crazy. You are the same birthers, truthers and looneys out there.

    I was not there. You were not there. God is the only judge in the world. Redemption is given. Let him RIP

    MICHAEL SPENCER (a61f2f)

  11. Kennedy = white trash, Mr. Spencer. It’s very sad.

    happyfeet (6b707a)

  12. Just for fun I compared the LAT’s obituary of Ronald Reagan…

    http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-reagan,1,4780792.story

    with their obituary for Ted Kennedy…

    http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-ted-kennedy26-2009aug26,0,2510000.story?page=1

    …looking for bias.

    I’m not sure if there is any or not. Maybe a little.

    Dave Surls (90de88)

  13. That was not his “worst act”. That was his refusing to listen to the pleas for help from a dying South Viet Nam.

    And it was not the “wrong turn”. It was the refusing to call the police for help.

    Mary Jo gave her life to save this country from this man. It is her we should be remembering now.

    mzk (f25cf3)

  14. While Reagan was telling the Soviets to” tear down”a wall, the man in the “gleaming coffin “was undermining our Nations Security with the Soviet Union.I trust Mr. Drogin can find some time to write about some critical aspects of the late Senator in his next ditty.

    mike191 (fd5629)

  15. This is a new scenario. MICHAEL SPENCER is challenging the International Man of Parody for the title of “Twatwaffle of the Day”. Usually this is awarded by unanimous consent, but MICHAEL SPENCER’s efforts simply cannot be ignored.

    JD (a71690)

  16. Are we sure that MICHAEL SPENCER isn’t indeed the IMP?

    (and I denounce you JD)

    Lord Nazh (899dce)

  17. You just can’t wait to unsheathe the daggers can you Patterico? Have you no shame at all? The man’s body is still warm and you still want to kill him off. Sweet.

    Meanwhile, republicans continue to prove how dishonest they are. First with “death panels,” now with accusations that Republicans will be denied heath care.

    Hey! We’re trying to have a democracy here! (OK, a Republic, but you know what I mean.) We can’t have our people running a country when they are woefully ignorant! There can’t be an honest debate without honesty! Why do Republicans hate democracy?

    Republicans these days are full of shameless, hate-filled desperation. It’s sad.

    Psyberian (b1f02c)

  18. You weren’t there, Lord Nazh, so STFU. That is how MICHAEL SPENCER rollz.

    But you raise an excellent point. DSCSA and MICHAEL SPENCER could be the same idiot. I doubt it, but they do share many similarities – names in ALL CAPS, abject douchenozzlery, the kind of idiocy that should be painful, and a healthy dose of unwarranted arrogance and superiority.

    BTW, MICHAEL SPENCER, your construct that “you were not at Chappa so STFU” is laughable. Beyond laughable. And your attempt to equate people who think that the anvil-headed gin-soaked serial molester Kennedy was a bad bad person with Truthers (agreed-idiots) and Birthers (agreed-idiots, starting with Hillarys folks).shows how f*cking imbecilic you are. But, continue to fellate the corpse of this monster. Dream of Camelot. Just stay in your basement.

    JD (a71690)

  19. My future son-in-law wrote:

    It was a letter requesting the pope’s blessing (which is, I will say, not entirely uncommon), not a letter asking for forgiveness.

    One assumes here that Senator Kennedy did not need the Pope’s forgiveness for Chappaquiddick. I assume that he long ago confessed the sins which resulted in Miss Kopechne’s death, did penance, and received absolution.

    For what else could the Lion of the Senate asked forgiveness from the Holy Father? Well, there’s the point of his multiple marriages, but that’s already been handled: he bought received a Church annulment from his 24-year marriage to Joan Bennett Kennedy.

    The only reason of which I can think where Mr Kennedy would have wanted the Pope’s forgiveness is his unwavering support for abortion. Yet to have asked for forgiveness, he would have had to have regretted his support and announced that he was changing his position on abortion, something he never did.

    The very Catholic Dana (474dfc)

  20. Have I ever mentioned how much I enjoy Supercache? Ranks up there with root canals and dirty little socialists.

    JD (7cdb18)

  21. Hey, Michael Spencer.

    I wasn’t in Auschwitz either, but I’m pretty sure it was a bad thing. Idiot.

    Monkeytoe (dda9e8)

  22. You were not there! Can’t you just leave him alone?!

    JD (7cdb18)

  23. Comment by JD — 8/30/2009 @ 6:06 am

    There are no problems, only solutions.

    On Windows PC, go to Control Panel, Internet and Network Connections, Internet Options, Delete, Delete All. It will toss all your cookies but that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

    On your Blackberry, try rebooting by taking out the battery for a second and replacing it. You should not lose any other data or settings.

    nk (ce533b)

  24. Comment by Psyberian — 8/30/2009 @ 5:26 am

    Hey, Psyberian! Know any Chappaquiddick jokes?

    nk (ce533b)

  25. Psyberian stopped by for its Sunday morning hate. Why must you lie, and why are you so filled with angry hate hate hate?

    JD (7cdb18)

  26. “Have I ever mentioned how much I enjoy Supercache?”

    Have you tried Ctrl-F5?

    Darth Venomous (98ca48)

  27. I still find it hilarious that a bunch of liberals were wandering around in the dark, in a cemetary….it seems fitting somehow. The spin here in MA is how brilliantly they timed it so that the covering dark granted them privacy(with cameras rolling)in their moment of grief. I think they had to make it to the eternal flame so they could see their way out.

    J (0f2b1a)

  28. Mary Jo Kopechne was unavailable for comment.

    N. O'Brain (a4f63e)

  29. You just can’t wait to unsheathe the daggers can you Patterico? Have you no shame at all? The man’s body is still warm and you still want to kill him off. Sweet.

    Ain’t it great?

    Just like reactionary leftists.

    And Mary Jo Kopechne is still unavailable for comment.

    N. O'Brain (a4f63e)

  30. The prosecutor thinks it was murder.

    imdw (f41ee5)

  31. Supercache wins

    JD (5fba8c)

  32. Ted Kennedy was a traitor to this country, a pitiful excuse for younger brother (to Joe, John, and Robert), a murderer to Mary Jo and millions of Southeast Asians, and a perpetual drain on what could have been a much more vibrant American economy.

    RIP? Hardly! May he rot in the Perdition he so eagerly sought with his efforts to legalize infanticide, the murder of the elderly, and advocacy of sexual perversion.

    Mourn his passing? Hardly! We celebrate it! And if you value “diversity”, you must celebrate with us you lefty self-loving crapweasels!

    jtb, dallas, texas, usa (d32edb)

  33. 10.Though unexpected, I am suprise at the comments on this blog. This family has given a lot to this country, another family member died two weeks ago, and no matter what TK was, he has sons and grandsons still living. Did anyone of you posters watch McCain and Hatch speak about their feelings for him, and their personal indebtness toward TK? Let me guess….no one will speak at your funerals, no one will memoralize you, and you def are not getting buried where TK is getting buried.

    No one of you were at Chappa so how can you comment about it? It is just crazy. You are the same birthers, truthers and looneys out there.

    I was not there. You were not there. God is the only judge in the world. Redemption is given. Let him RIP

    MICHAEL SPENCER (a61f2f)

  34. Don’t you dare bring whatever deity you call “God” into this, douchebag. It’s plainly obvious that if you could have serviced the man under the millions of barstools he was slumped over in you surely would have been quite vigorous in your duties.

    Dmac (e6d1c2)

  35. YOU WEREN’T THERE SO STFU BEEYOTCHES !!!!!!!

    JD (19728f)

  36. I give up

    JD (19728f)

  37. I think there’s a missing in that sentence.

    No, not!

    DCSCA — Well said. I really think his constant “joking” about the incident was his reliving it; the jokes revealed his sense of guilt that he could not wash from his hands no matter how he tried. His letter to the Pope was a pathetic begging for absolution. I don’t think he got it.

    Patricia (7aaa75)

  38. Details in a 1963 accident report say that Laura Bush, then 17, ran a stop sign in the Texas crash that killed a friend in another car. …

    pam (54bf94)

  39. Ted Kennedy has his own problems right now, if there is an afterlife.

    My issue is with the slobbering love notes that the newspapers and TV seem to think are eulogies. Fox News Sunday did a clever thing. They showed the first paragraph of the NY Times obits on Kennedy and Jesse Helms who died a couple of years ago. Helms wasn’t my favorite Senator but he did accomplish a few worthwhile things, especially with the UN. Nonetheless, the obit had not a good word for him. Juan Williams, showing the blind spot that keeps me from having high regard for him, couldn’t see anything wrong with the comparison.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  40. pam, so that absolves a 37 year old politician who ran away from an accident scene?

    Mike K (2cf494)

  41. Just for fun I compared the LAT’s obituary of Ronald Reagan…

    with their obituary for Ted Kennedy…

    …looking for bias.

    To be fair, the two pieces seems pretty objective to me. No punches are pulled in regards to Kennedy and Chappaquiddick, and mention of that appears rather early in the obit.

    However, I can tell the obit on Reagan was written by a person just aching to say “hey, a Democrat president can be, or was, just as good.” In the fourth paragraph from the top, this bit of one-upmanship or snark:

    Only one Democrat has succeeded him: Bill Clinton, a “new Democrat,” who did as much or more to achieve such conservative goals as balancing the federal budget and changing welfare than anything Reagan himself accomplished.

    Mark (411533)

  42. I assume that he long ago confessed the sins which resulted in Miss Kopechne’s death, did penance, and received absolution.

    That assumes he ever, for one second, thought he was somehow to blame.

    His only regret regarding the whole affair was with how the event affected his life and political career – that sort of person can’t even ask God to forgive them.

    “I hope the worst thing that happens to me if *I* kill someone is that I don’t get to be President.”

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  43. I was not there. You were not there.

    That’s a foolish or idiotic statement, since it can be applied to just about any transgression a person is guilty of — eg, “we weren’t there at the house of OJ Simpson’s ex-wife on the night she was murdered…” — in order to create a ton of rationalizations and moral equivalences.

    Mark (411533)

  44. Comment by The very Catholic Dana — 8/30/2009 @ 5:53 am

    My being Lutheran isn’t going to be a problem, is it?

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  45. pam, so that absolves a 37 year old politician who ran away from an accident scene?

    In the mind of a leftist it does. That’s why it’s A-OK for Obama to run up more debt than the last three Republican presidents combined, because they ran up debt, too.

    Another Chris (f29ad3)

  46. mike k.

    Just wanted to point out the bias on this site.
    Laura also broke a law that resulted in someones death.

    pam (54bf94)

  47. Laura also broke a law that resulted in someones death.

    the law she broke was running a stop sign. She didn’t leave the scene, and she didn’t try to hide her involvement.

    Kennedy, however, left the scene and waited almost half a day to call it in.

    I guess all things are relative to you people.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  48. you people. ha ha
    so much anger here.
    If Ted is a murderer, so is Laura.

    pam (54bf94)

  49. Pam is only about the 50th douchenozzle to trot that one out. Pam, did Laura Bush leave that person at the scene, trapped in the car, to die a horrific death because she was drunk and too f*cking cowardly to take responsibility for her actions? Did she wait until the next day to notify the authorities?

    The overt and aggressive dishonesty and mendacity is really tiresome.

    JD (33d9a9)

  50. Just wanted to point out the bias on this site.
    Laura also broke a law that resulted in someones death.

    Comment by pam

    No, you wanted to establish an equivalence between a 17 year old girl who was heartbroken and a 37 year old drunken politician who ran away to save his reputation while she slowly suffocated. She could have been saved but he didn’t even notify the cops until after her body was found. He was busy on the phone to his lawyers after he failed to get a cousin and courtier to take the blame by claiming he was the driver.

    You don’t even try to defend your drunken rapist manslaughtering hero. You just try to smear someone who was not a politician and who was a kid at the time. There is no evidence that anyone intervened to alter the legal actions taken.

    Maybe you will have a child someday, if you don’t abort them all, that gets into trouble. Then you might understand. Probably not.

    Iowahawk has a lovely eulogy for someone who sounds familiar. Anybody recognize that guy ?

    Mike K (2cf494)

  51. Do you think Laura was thinking about what she and Teddy have in common when she attended his funeral.
    I bet she was.

    pam (54bf94)

  52. Laura and Sen Gin&Tonic have nothing in common. Well, they both prolly think pam is an imbecile.

    JD (33d9a9)

  53. Do you think Laura was thinking about what she and Teddy have in common when she attended his funeral.

    I’ve been thinking more about what you and Mary Jo Koepechne should have in common.

    Another Chris (f29ad3)

  54. I pity little pathetic pam. She is just a good little footsoldier for the dirty little socialists pushing the meme of the day without actually thinking. She is a sad person what lies.

    JD (33d9a9)

  55. Mike, I think “pam” ought to read Michael Kelly’s article about the late senator that our host has referenced above. I just took the time to read it, and while I knew Kennedy had problems, I was amazed at how deep they were. Wow. And the press just glosses over all that. No wonder so many ignore the MSM anymore.

    dhmosquito (bdf10a)

  56. What did I lie about?

    pam (54bf94)

  57. Pam, whether you have lied or not, I don’t know, but you have certainly embarrassed yourself in this thread. Perhaps you lack the sort of self-awareness to grasp that but, if you cannot see the difference between Kennedy and Laura Bush’s reactions to their situations, then what you have also done is again confirmed to many here, how pathetically lost and without moral clarity you are.

    Dana (d7c445)

  58. Your honesty and complete lack of mendoucheousness is noted, pam.

    JD (33d9a9)

  59. Pam is just another alphabetist troll. The goal is to get people stirred up. Does anyone think that a stroll through the ocean of Pam’s soul would get more than the soles of your shoes wet?

    It’s all about Teh Narrative. It’s not about equivalence, since her heroes are treated quite differently. It’s intentional dishonesty and quite an unpleasant personality, it would appear.

    Remember Bill Whittle’s video essay about this. It sure applies to Pam’s soliloquy.

    In fact, do we know “Pam” is Pam? We have have a multiple sock puppet here in the past few hours. And that person has been coming back to Patterico’s to pick fights for literally years.

    Even if Pam is genuine, she is playing a sick and immature game. Her comments don’t come from very deep in her heart.

    Eric Blair (a88004)

  60. Again: alphie in drag?

    Eric Blair (a88004)

  61. Do you think Laura was thinking about what she and Teddy have in common when she attended his funeral.
    I bet she was.

    You’re a nut.

    Gerald A (78e08a)

  62. Do not for a minute think that pam is either nuts or sincere. Her job is to preserve the gilt (sheen if you prefer) that’s over the dry-rotted wood of her party’s heroes.

    Sorry, pam, it won’t work. Teddy was nothing more than a ghoul living on his dead brothers’ bones. He had no character and no talent — just appetites and half-baked liberal ideas from which his daddy’s money insulated him.

    We don’t need to demonize him. All we need is to get people to think about him instead of mindlessly buying into the eulogies.

    Nice “look over there” with Laura Bush, though. Boy, am I glad I never voted for her.

    nk (ce533b)

  63. Like I said in the Words Fail thread, the trolls are so lame these days they are boring.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (a98ec3)

  64. MY HERO:

    Edward M. Kennedy was the third longest-serving member of the United States Senate in American history. Voters of Massachusetts elected him to the Senate nine times—a record matched by only one other Senator. For five decades, virtually every major piece of legislation to advance the civil rights, health, and economic well being of the American people bore his name and resulted from his efforts.”

    pam (54bf94)

  65. Perhaps Pam read Eleanor Clift’s explanation this morning on why she is able to *overlook* Kennedy’s behavior,

    But if you are sympathetic to Kennedy and his politics, as I am, you’re mindful that the accident at Chappaquiddick happened in 1969, the year after Bobby Kennedy was assassinated. (Ted, just 36 and the last of the brothers, shouldered the burden of 11 more fatherless nieces and nephews.) You’re also willing to measure the benefits that Kennedy brought to countless people through his politics, and give them proper weight on the scales of the man’s record. Finally, if you measure his capacity to reform himself, you tip the scales further.

    IOW, the ends justifies the means if there is a D after the name.

    Dana (d7c445)

  66. Paul, nk, I really do suspect that “pam” is “ronjazz” or “sunburn” in virtual drag. Oh, I could be wrong, but the timing and basal dishonesty is sure suggestive.

    Eric Blair (a88004)

  67. Laura Bush was so traumatized by the car accident that killed her friend that, to this day, she remains incapable of speaking about it. She also didn’t name her cat “Crash.”

    Senator Kennedy OTOH liked to joke about Chappaquidick, according to someone who knew him well – and liked him.

    Wonder if anyone on this thread, including pam, would ever laugh and joke, or like hearing anyone else joke – about an accident they had which caused someone’s death. I really doubt it.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  68. Our paper reported that Obama called Teddy the “Soul of the Democrat Party”. I’ve gotta agree with him on that. If ever a political party had the soul of a drunken sailor, it’s today’s democrats.

    starboardhelm (94c0da)

  69. pam called Sen Anvilhead her hero. Nice. A cowardly lecherous drunk.

    JD (e738c0)

  70. MY HERO:
    Edward M. Kennedy was the third longest-serving member of the United States Senate in American history. Voters of Massachusetts elected him to the Senate nine times—a record matched by only one other Senator. For five decades, virtually every major piece of legislation to advance the civil rights, health, and economic well being of the American people bore his name and resulted from his efforts.”

    Comment by pam — 8/30/2009 @ 10:58 am

    pam,
    Am sure it’ll please you to read that Joyce Carol Oates has done the moral calculus for us and agrees with you that the death of Mary Jo Kopechne is an acceptable price to pay for the legislation he was able to put through.

    I wonder what Mary Jo would say about it though. Or you, if you were the one asked to give up her life so someone else could have a career. Would you volunteer to be the person to die in a car underwater so another liberal could have a longstanding and successful career?

    I thought so. Oddly, neither did Joyce Carol Oates volunteer for that honor.

    Neither, by the way, did any of the many millions of aborted children whom I’m sure Senator Kennedy enjoyed greeting when he entered eternity.

    And by the way, for all we know, Mary Jo, a very intelligent and active political up-and-comer in her own right, was supposed to be the senator putting through legislation with which you agree.

    Funny that no one ever talks about that.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  71. again, where is the dishonesty?

    pam (54bf94)

  72. Dana, this bit from Clift is precious:

    “…Finally, if you measure his capacity to reform himself, you tip the scales further…”

    Reform himself? When? When did he quit making Chris Dodd sandwiches? When did he quit lying about Supreme Court nominees? When did he quit acting like a partisan hack who acts high and mighty about the poor while receiving special treatment himself? I’m not even touching his charming outreach to the Soviet Union to get them involved in Democratic Presidential politics. Or his actions following that lovely Cape Cod interlude that cost a young woman her life.

    Given that, by all accounts, this guy couldn’t help but screw around on his wives with younger women, I can’t help but wonder how Clift would feel about having a young female relative working late at night with the good Senator. Or is a drunken groping or worse, as Joyce Carol Oates suggests, an acceptable outcome because of that great legislation his staff prepared?

    So that “tip the scales further” phrase takes us back to Inigo Montoya: I don’t believe that that phrase means what she thinks it does.

    Kennedy’s history has been sanitized so much it is a very, very good idea to read the original documents carefully.

    But I’m not surprised by Clift’s and faux-trolls like “Pam” commenting the way they do. All that matters to them is that good old “D.” Nothing else.

    Eric Blair (a88004)

  73. So, pam, care to go on record that you are not a previously banned commenter? Folks are watching.

    Eric Blair (a88004)

  74. I mean, speaking of honesty.

    Eric Blair (a88004)

  75. Laura Bush was so traumatized. nice excuse
    ok, gotta go. have fun trashing a dead “great Senator”

    pam (54bf94)

  76. Nice answer. I think you are another example of hypergleenism.

    Eric Blair (a88004)

  77. Eric, why would I be banned?

    I only stay until someone brings up abortion.
    It took longer than usual this morning, but now my work is done.

    Thanks

    pam (54bf94)

  78. Wonder if anyone on this thread, including pam, would ever laugh and joke, or like hearing anyone else joke – about an accident they had which caused someone’s death. I really doubt it.

    Not if she’s a typical liberal, who believes her ideology infuses her with so much compassion and human decency — with so much loooove — she can do no wrong. That any liberal icon such as Ted Kennedy can do no wrong.

    “Progressives” therefore are prone to being very deluded and potentially very harmful. They’re the ones who often are guilty of happily traveling on that road to hell that’s paved with good intentions. Including the road that led to Chappaquiddick Island.

    Mark (411533)

  79. “great Senator”

    I’m guessing unintentional humor or irony on your part, because by placing quote marks around those words you make them appear to be one of sarcasm.

    Mark (411533)

  80. I only stay until someone brings up abortion.
    It took longer than usual this morning, but now my work is done.

    Yawn.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (a98ec3)

  81. Women journalists like Clift and commenters like Pam need to find a backbone. We are not obliged to justify and validate any male politician’s bad behavior just because he pushed women’s causes.

    Because when we do, that just makes us insipid drones willing to let the end justify the means because there is a “D” after the male politician’s name.

    We really haven’t come very far as a gender. All that’s changed apparently for women on the left, is they no longer have to wear an apron.

    The willingness to be objectified and demeaned by a powerful man – while cloaking it in justification – is still what is so disturbingly wrong with the feminists. The fear of making a moral judgment, regardless of party affiliation, continues to debilitate so many.

    Dana (d7c445)

  82. Well…

    “…now my work is done…”

    That is both funny and damning. Sure sounds like a gleenist.

    Eric Blair (a88004)

  83. I agree with your comment completely, Dana. I was amazed by the “feminist” response to WJC. This is no different.

    Eric Blair (a88004)

  84. ok, gotta go. have fun trashing a dead “great Senator”

    Comment by pam

    This sounds familiar, especially the part about now my work is done. Isn’t that supposed to be “I work is done”?

    I think this is an old troll. Teddy was a sailor and that gets him a pass for a lot in my book but the fact remains that he never acknowledged any role in Mary Jo’s death aside from a political damage control speech written by Sorenson.

    My complaint is not so much with him as with idiots like the Times reporter or “pam” who have no moral compass to judge anyone with.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  85. So, pam, care to go on record that you are not a previously banned commenter? Folks are watching. Comment by Eric Blair — 8/30/2009 @ 11:10 am

    Hey, Patterico. My guess is that Sunburn is a familiar poster under a different name. Comment by Eric Blair — 8/29/2009 @ 6:35 pm

    Ask Pat for the blog keys. Pending that, pretend like you’re another commenter.

    steve (a4c7c2)

  86. There was a piss-poor excuse of a fantasy series called “Heroes In Hell” and I am ashamed to admit that I read it.

    But this mimics it, showing that my $3.95 plus tax was not totally wasted.

    Teddy finds himself in a descending elevator. It stops, and a gorgeous woman, dresed in a way that would get her arrested in most places, enters. She says, “Hi, I’m Welcome Woman”. Teddy says, “Welcome Woman?” She says, “Yes, I think you’ll like me better that Welcome Wagon”.

    She seductively lifts up her skirt. Teddy unzips. When it is too late to move back he sees that she has a tongue and sharp teeth down there. He spends the rest of the trip down writhing on the floor in pain, bleeding and missing a member.

    The elevator door opens and his brothers, Joe, John, and Robert are waiting for him, along with the Devil. The Devil rips off his right arm and throws it to John. He rips off his left arm and throws it to Robert. He rips off his leg and throws it to Joe. They all three start eating. The Devil says, “Their turn”.

    nk (ce533b)

  87. Wait, was Laura Bush a Senator or some kind of elected official? Why is she even part of this attempted equivalency by the left?

    daleyrocks (718861)

  88. Hey, Rick Sanchez was involved in vehicular manslaughter and he’s a good leftist broadcaster. Why is he still on the air pam?

    daleyrocks (718861)

  89. steve just lurvs him so Leftists.

    Eric was right, on both accounts.

    JD (00684b)

  90. The dishonesty is yours, Pam.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  91. He will buried near his assassinated brothers, President John F. Kennedy and Sen. Robert F. Kennedy.

    Still uncorrected when I checked just now. At least the mistake is where very few people will see it, on the LAT’s Web site.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  92. nk, some of the “Heroes in Hell” series was fun (well, not the Welcome Woman). I liked H.P. Lovecraft and Robert Howard meeting Gilgamesh (Robert Silverberg wrote that one).

    Eric Blair (a88004)

  93. Hey, JD, I don’t mind Leftists. I mind hypergleenish Leftists. Leftists with Greenwald’s Syndrome?

    It is interesting to call them on it, and have them scuttle off.

    Eric Blair (a88004)

  94. I only stay until someone brings up abortion.
    It took longer than usual this morning, but now my work is done.
    Comment by pam — 8/30/2009 @ 11:18 am

    Wow.
    I wonder why pam only stays until someone brings up abortion. Perhaps it’s a painful subject. I hope, for her sake, that I’m mistaken.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  95. Eric # 93,

    And was it Martin Caidin who wrote

    Oh there are no fighter pilots down in Hell
    Oh there are no fighter pilots down in Hell
    The place is full of queers
    Navigators, Bombardiers
    But there are no fighter pilots down in Hell!

    Bookworms, both of us.

    nk (ce533b)

  96. P.S. And yes, I did read the Gilgamesh story, too. But I had read Gilgamesh and Robert Silverberg’s Gilgamesh, before that.

    nk (ce533b)

  97. Ah, nk, I thought Martin Caidin (who wrote “Cyborg” on what “The Six Million Dollar Man” was based) was a character, all right.

    I remember that song and story well.

    Martin Caidin, RIP. And Jim Baen, RIP, who made many of those stories and books possible.

    Eric Blair (a88004)

  98. I was not there. You were not there. God is the only judge in the world. Redemption is given. Let him RIP

    Comment by MICHAEL SPENCER — 8/30/2009 @ 1:47 am

    No. There can be no redemption without penance. And he was impenitent to his dying breath.

    Jim Treacher (796deb)

  99. Geez, trying to get out the door. Sorry for the typos. You know what I meant, I’m sure.

    Anyway, since we had some JAT types quoting HuffPo, why not this:

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/08302009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/kennedys_free_pass_with_women_187139.htm?page=0

    Seems like there are some cracks in the monolithic support mechanism!

    Eric Blair (a88004)

  100. nk, Martin Caidin was very much into psychokinesis, of all things.

    Hmmmm.

    Still, what a life he lived. Handlebar moustache and all.

    Eric Blair (a88004)

  101. Ask Pat for the blog keys. Pending that, pretend like you’re another commenter.

    Oh, so you can pretend that trolls arern’t dropping and smearing turds all over the site?

    Try again, buddy boy.

    Paul (creator of "Staunch Brayer") (a98ec3)

  102. No. There can be no redemption without penance. And he was impenitent to his dying breath.

    Comment by Jim Treacher — 8/30/2009 @ 12:34 pm

    “Timor mortis conturbat me, quilla inferno nulla est redemptio”. The fear of death disturbs me, because there is no redemption in Hell.

    No human can place limits on God’s mercy, Jim. Why don’t we just avoid the subject?

    nk (ce533b)

  103. Mr Jacobs wrote:

    That assumes he ever, for one second, thought he was somehow to blame.

    Well, we can’t read his mind, but yeah, I’d guess that he really did think it was his fault. He was drinking and he was driving, and regardless of what his intentions were that night, driving off the Dike Bridge.

    The Catholic Dana (474dfc)

  104. My future son-in-law wrote:

    My being Lutheran isn’t going to be a problem, is it?

    Not once you convert, no — though the bride price has just doubled.

    The very Catholic Dana (474dfc)

  105. Actually, Paul, when steve wrote:

    “..pretend like you’re another commenter….”

    I wondered if he meant I should just shut up, or should I instead choose several extra names and start posting as a sockpuppeting troll, which is what I was complaining about.

    I mean, since we just had such a creature, who was just ban hammered again.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  106. Pam wrote:

    Do you think Laura was thinking about what she and Teddy have in common when she attended his funeral. I bet she was.

    Mindreading not being one of my talents — nor yours, I would guess — I’ll refrain from guessing on that subject. Mrs Bush, who was a teenager at the time of her accident and who has never run for any public office, seems to me to have been in something of a different situation than a 36-year old sitting United States Senator, who was (supposedly) an adult at the time.

    The two did respond differently, however: one waited on the cops, while the other sought out his lawyer — and enough time to sober up.

    There’s a legal difference as well: Laura Welsh (not Bush; she was just a regular teenager, not connected to a famous family) was a minor, and thus subject to the juvenile justice system. No citation was issued, and there is no report at all of alcohol having been involved. Edward Kennedy was an adult, and had left a party at which he had been drinking. When the accident was finally reported, he was stone, cold sober, but a lot of time had passed.

    I’d guess that you really can see the difference, but just don’t want to.

    Oh, wait, that’s mindreading, too, isn’t it?

    The sensible Dana (474dfc)

  107. Not once you convert, no — though the bride price has just doubled.

    Son of a…

    Am I going to need a contract lawyer to help me negotiate this price?

    I’d guess that he really did think it was his fault.

    I wish I shared your faith in the late Senator. You would be amazed how many people don’t accept blame for stuff like that.

    I mean, I’ve got a DUI, and yeah, it was my fault, but you would be shocked the number of people who blamed the cop for them getting pulled over.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  108. Mr Treacher wrote:

    No. There can be no redemption without penance. And he was impenitent to his dying breath.

    Was he? This is one of the things you really don’t know, and I really don’t know.

    As it happens, I have Mr Kennedy’s letter to the Pope on my poor site, in which he said, in part:

    I am writing with deep humility to ask that you pray for me as my own health declines. I was diagnosed with brain cancer more than a year ago, and, although I continue treatment, the disease is taking its toll on me. I am 77 years old and preparing for the next passage of life.

    I have been blessed to be a part of a wonderful family, and both of my parents, particularly my mother, kept our Catholic faith at the center of our lives. That gift of faith has sustained, nurtured and provided solace to me in the darkest hours. I know that I have been an imperfect human being, but with the help of my faith, I have tried to right my path.

    I want you to know, Your Holiness, that in my nearly 50 years of elective office, I have done my best to champion the rights of the poor and open doors of economic opportunity. I’ve worked to welcome the immigrant, fight discrimination and expand access to health care and education. I have opposed the death penalty and fought to end war. Those are the issues that have motivated me and been the focus of my work as a United States Senator.

    I also want you to know that even though I am ill, I am committed to do everything I can to achieve access to health care for everyone in my country. This has been the political cause of my life. I believe in a conscience protection for Catholics in the health care field and will continue to advocate for it as my colleagues in the Senate and I work to develop an overall national health policy that guarantees health care for everyone.

    I have always tried to be a faithful Catholic, Your Holiness, and though I have fallen short through human failings, I have never failed to believe and respect the fundamental teachings. I continue to pray for God’s blessings on you and our Church and would be most thankful for your prayers for me.

    Was this one of the final acts of a man who knew he was dying, or did he believe himself to be a committed Catholic all his life, just one who fell short? I don’t know, and neither do you.

    What God has in store for Edward Kennedy, we do not know, and, at least for Catholics, it would be considered blasphemy to claim that we did know.

    The charitable Dana (474dfc)

  109. Well, Mr Jacobs, I’m just guessing when I say that he probably accepted it as his fault, but driving off a bridge isn’t quite the same as getting pulled over by a cop.

    From all accounts, he actually knew his parish priest; he wasn’t in church entirely for show. But if I’m being charitable toward his memory now, well, now is the time for it. Whatever harm he has done in this world, he can do no more.

    As for a contract lawyer, anyone but nk; he drives too hard a bargain!

    The nice guy Dana (474dfc)

  110. As for a contract lawyer, anyone but nk; he drives too hard a bargain!

    Comment by The nice guy Dana — 8/30/2009 @ 3:49 pm

    You figured out, without me telling you, that I was going to put the bride price in a trust account, in Autumn’s name, didn’t you?

    nk (ce533b)

  111. Was this one of the final acts of a man who knew he was dying, or did he believe himself to be a committed Catholic all his life, just one who fell short?

    What he though? He lied flat out to the Pope.

    I have always tried to be a faithful Catholic, Your Holiness, and though I have fallen short through human failings, I have never failed to believe and respect the fundamental teachings.

    What a load of bull. He flaunted at least three items that stand as absolutes in the eyes of the Church.

    Which, btw, are the reason women are allowing him one confirmed kill. Had he not been such a loud supporter of stem cell and abortion, he’d have been pilloried long before now.

    Kennedy wasn’t penitent. He was desperate, and was hoping the Pope would do him a solid, and get him past God’s door-man, since he probably knew that you actually have to be sorry for what you’ve done to receive forgiveness.

    I don’t believe Sen Kennedy was sorry for a single thing he ever did, aside from get caught.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  112. Comment by nk — 8/30/2009 @ 3:56 pm

    You aren’t helping, damnit.

    Who’s side are you on?

    Wait, forget I asked that. You’re a lawyer. You’re one your own side. ;)

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  113. Yeah, nk, I already figured that I’d never see a farthing of it!

    The pitifully poor Dana (474dfc)

  114. Look,

    Maybe teddy really was sorry for his murder.

    However, nothing in his later life shows that. His womanizin, his sexual assualts, his drunkness, his cheating on his wife, his support of child murder, and his treason against his country.

    Regardless, teh anger at teddy would not be so great if the left and its media were not trying to make us swallow descriptions of kennedy as the holiest saint whoever lived.

    The guy was a senator who pushed a far left agenday. he was mean and dirty in his dealings with his oppenents, and had no problem working with the enemies of the U.S. if he though it would advance his personal ambitions and goals.

    He was not a paragon of virtue and they are trying to pretend he was. Plus, the effort to use Kennedy supposed virtue to try and sell Obamacare is well underway. In such circumstances it seems perfectly acceptable to point out Kennedy’s many faults. If he is going to be used as a political “argument” to support Obamacare, it is fair to use him as a political argument as to what passes for morality on the left.

    In reality, I have no problem w/ someone on the left saying they appreciated him b/c he was a true leftist and worked hard to push the left agenda.

    However, I would hope that hte left would at least admit that he was not a good or honorable man. Just b/c someone agrees with you politically does not make them a good or great person.

    And to try and equate what Kennedy did throughout his life w/ what Larua Bush did is pathetic at best. Yes, both were involved in auto accidents that took a life. One was drunk and left someone who probably wasn’t dead, failed to call the police, did not seek help for her while she drowned in the car, and only reported the crime after he had sobered up and got his political and legal team together to spin the event.

    The other was involved in a fatal accident and stayed at the scene and dealt with it appropriately.

    one made jokes about the accident until his death – demonstrating no remorse and worse, thinking it was funny. As far as we know the other does not do that.

    One routinely ran for election and was in a position of power. The other was married to someone who ran for office.

    To pretend the two are morally equivalent demonstrates such a lack of morals as to be truly shocking.

    Moreover, I love how whenever a leftist does something wrong, the left rises up and tries to find a republican who did something similar and say “there is nothing to see here.”

    Does that mean we should not ever hold politicians accountable? After all, we can probably always find someone from the other party who did something similar at some point.

    Monkeytoe (dda9e8)

  115. STFU wingnuts! You were not there and are in no position to pass judgment on the greaterest Senator EVAH !!!!!!!!

    JD (9ad513)

  116. I have any number of nephews PFC Pico’s age, so I would probably have a conflict of interest in any case.

    nk (ce533b)

  117. My godson just got his ACT score. 34!!!!

    nk (ce533b)

  118. Great score. Congratulations are in order.

    DRJ (3f5471)

  119. Having just finished freshmen advising, I agree. I’m more used to the SAT, but have learned a lot about the ACT.

    Of course, such tests are culturally biased and racist besides.

    No matter, nk. Such a score is a good predictor for student success in college!

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  120. My godson just got his ACT score. 34!!!!

    Comment by nk — 8/30/2009 @ 5:52 pm

    Awesome score. He must be pretty proud.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  121. 730 in reading, 760 in math and 780 in writing, for a total of 2270 in the SAT.

    And, thank you, all. I’m proud of him.

    nk (ce533b)

  122. Of course, such tests are culturally biased and racist besides.

    His father is a Greek and his mother is a Phillipina who came to America in their late twenties — after they had graduated from medical school in their respective countries.

    nk (ce533b)

  123. Hey, nk, you don’t think I believe in that culturally biased nonsense? Right?

    But do I ever hear it on the admissions committee. The funny part, of course, is then they have to report on whether the SATs and ACTs of incoming classes are going up!

    I keep wanting to shout: who cares! Fight the Power!

    Lots of folks talk about how the SAT gets recentered every decade or so (and it does). But those are really great scores, no matter the year. Where is he planning to go to college?

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  124. Where is he planning to go to college?

    Hopefully some place where God pays attention, like Kansas State.

    :)

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  125. Hey, nk, you don’t think I believe in that culturally biased nonsense? Right?

    No, I don’t. I was sharing your sarcasm/irony. But anybody who wants hay about our idiotic immigration laws is free to do so.

    He’s looking at MIT, Stanford, and CalTech. Why CalTech?????

    nk (ce533b)

  126. *who wants to make hay*

    nk (ce533b)

  127. Congrats, nk. What does he want to study?

    MD in Philly (9fa3fb)

  128. Not my business, but I strongly recommend smaller colleges, with small classes and personal attention. Swarthmore, Amherst, Williams, Pomona, etc. I say that as a UCLA and Stanford alum. Caltech is a meatgrinder for undergraduates, but the pressure cooker works well for some students.

    I hope he visits campuses and talks with students. They are surprisingly honest, even about the bad stuff.

    Regardless, best of luck to him!

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  129. What does he want to study?

    Comment by MD in Philly — 8/30/2009 @ 6:54 pm

    Nothing that I understand. Electronics and computers?

    I’m trying to tell him that women are worth studying, too. His father approves (it’s my job to teach him the bad things).

    I sent him a check once for a rifle and shooting lessons. He bought a guitar, and got music lessons, instead. That’s ok, too. Isn’t it amazing how kids turn in to people?

    nk (ce533b)

  130. He lied flat out to the Pope.

    It also read like a campaign statement. Just the barest minimum mention of his depraved personal ethics. A career based on confiscating other people’s money is a condemnation, not a pass through the Pearly Gates.

    And Kennedy’s reference to Obama as “a man of deep faith” is about a brazen lie as possible — unless the “faith” is understood to be Obama’s faith in himself and Marxism.

    What an unrepentant sleaze.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  131. nk, on your last line, I thought of John Belushi in Animal House and Stephen Bishop’s guitar.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  132. Kennedy never wrote that. No way he could. Brain cancer? Brain surgery? Whoever wrote that in his name should go to Hell. And that Cardinal in Boston should be defrocked literally and publicly.

    nk (ce533b)

  133. Instead of us talking about Chappaquiddick, maybe we can ask when was the last time Ted Kennedy made a lucid statement in public?

    nk (ce533b)

  134. nk, more and more we don’t mind if our politicians just read other people’s speeches well.

    That is how we got to TOTUS.

    Why not insist that all of our politicians…well, write their own speeches and stand by them?

    Eric Blair (a88004)

  135. My suspicion is that Kennedy was already brain dead the time this letter was supposedly written. And he was being eaten while still alive by his own family and friends. Which would not be all that unfair.

    nk (ce533b)

  136. Right after Kennedy died, I saw an interview with a Kennedy family friend in which the reporter asked if Obama had tried to visit before Kennedy died. The friend replied it was unlikely because Kennedy suffered from dementia-like symptoms and had been unable to communicate coherently for some time. I’ve tried in vain to remember who I saw and where I saw it, but it confirms that Kennedy probably didn’t write a letter to the Vatican nor did he request new legislation to pick a replacement Senator.

    DRJ (3f5471)

  137. DRJ

    The letter was written back when Obama made his trip to the Vatican, so it was a little while back.

    He’s the Vatican’s response to the letter.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  138. I was specially touched when Edward Klein (Newsweek editor) a long time friend of Mr. Kennedy spoke out in an interview on NPR about what a great sense of humor Mr. Kennedy had. It seems that Ted never tired of asking if anyone had heard any new Chappaquiddick jokes. What a rascal!

    Yes, “the soul of the nation” as the NY Times described him.

    Not my nation, not my soul. Lord hear our prayer.

    in_awe (930ef4)

  139. I know, Scott, but the friend said Kennedy had been impaired for some time. In addition, I’ve seen people die of brain cancer. The effects are ravaging and not just at the end.

    DRJ (3f5471)

  140. #57 — Comment by pam — 8/30/2009 @ 10:02 am

    What did I lie about?

    There is no moral equivalency between the actions of Mr. Kennedy and Mrs. Bush.

    #72 — Comment by pam — 8/30/2009 @ 11:08 am

    again, where is the dishonesty?

    No moral equivalency; since this has already been pointed out by many of the commenters of this thread, please entertain my explanation. In one case, a full grown man made every possible conscious choice to ensure the death of an innocent person. In the other, an accident occurred where a teenage girl made every possible conscious effort to save a life.

    In one case, a man in his mid 30′s drove his vehicle while intoxicated. He invited a young woman to join him. Upon the almost inevitable accident, he left his passenger for dead. By choosing not to get help promptly, he chose to ensure her death. From the linked source:

    Dr. Donald Mills of Edgartown, wrote on the death certificate: “death by drowning”.

    In the other, a teenager ran a stop sign. The authorities were informed as soon as was possible. A death occurred and despite all attempts to prevent it, the tragedy unfolded.

    Pam, unless you are incapable of moral, rational thought, you lied; certainly to the readers of this thread, and possibly to yourself as well.

    Pons Asinorum (39c941)

  141. Pons – If Pam had a brain we could call her stupid.

    daleyrocks (718861)

  142. Pons, this is nothing you don’t know…but trolls like “pam” (whom I suspect is a sockpuppet of One of the Usual Suspects) aren’t interested in discussion or considering your point of view.

    It’s about scoring silly little points with snarky language.

    The goal was to get you to waste your time and irritate you. Nothing more, and nothing less.

    “She” was a person with a different point of view. “She” was trying to be offensive.

    Eric Blair (a88004)

  143. (heh) — daleyrocks, I was trying to be polite :-)

    Pons Asinorum (39c941)

  144. The goal was to get you to waste your time and irritate you. Nothing more, and nothing less.

    I know, but she did neither. I was late to the party and just wanted to give my two-cents. Patterico’s has always (graciously) provided a nice outlet for me in that regard.

    PS: my sockpuppet vote is TruthNJustice, remember her (I’ve always presumed tnj to be a female, don’t know why) — I work here is done.

    Pons Asinorum (39c941)

  145. nk- If he’s open to it, he should take a look at what Univ. of Wisconsin has in his interests, especially if he is firmly convinced and motivated. As Eric Blair suggested (a point of agreement) Madison can be a dangerous place for a youth who is unfocused and simply wants “the college experience”. But for some things it is as good or better than anywhere else for an undergrad to jump ahead.

    In some areas of the country I think the local Bishop/Archbishop would not have allowed Obama to speak at a Catholic Funeral, but obviously not in Boston.

    MD in Philly (9fa3fb)

  146. Still uncorrected this morning:

    He will buried near his assassinated brothers, President John F. Kennedy and Sen. Robert F. Kennedy.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  147. MD in Philly, #146,

    He lived in Wisconsin for five years and his parents worked as doctors and obtained sub-specialties, there.

    I have three godchildren. Two are pro forma — the priest wanted a sponsor at the christening. This one is my Johnny Fontaine. My child for ten years before I begot my own. He’s a great kid. He has already done summer school honors course at universities, away from home in a dorm, so I think he has a pretty good idea as to what he wants from a college. And as my comment above, where I sent him money for a rifle and he bought a guitar instead, illustrates, he has his head on more straight than his godfather does.

    nk (ce533b)

  148. Going even more OT, if possible, Mario Puzo should never have let Frank Sinatra bully him all his life over the Johnny Fontane character. Puzo should have made the statement “The world does not revolve around Sinatra and when I wrote in Johnny Fontane I could not possibly have cared less whether I was adding to Sinatra’s legend. Sinatra’s faux outrage is something his PR people advised him to do.”

    nk (ce533b)

  149. Madison is a great place—I was just there for a conference. But it is as huge as UCLA. For some people, it works out great. But my wife went to a small liberal arts school, and I like what it did for her on all kinds of levels.

    The young man sounds pretty well adjusted, and he will surely make a great decision. I hope that he has many, many, many choices.

    I think he will.

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  150. [...] paper lauded killer Ted Kennedy as a “top warrior for health care reform.” You could almost hear reporter Bob Drogin sobbing as he wrote his melodramatic story about Kennedy’s funeral. We had to endure commentary [...]

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