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	<title>Comments on: Who is to blame for ObamaCare’s woes?</title>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dmac, you have a point that Obama, like many politicians, tried to be all things to all people. 

But Obama&#039;s primary message just before the election was tax cuts for 95% of Americans.  He ran as a republican who would be moderate on social issues.  I think it&#039;s hilarious that he managed to do so after running to Hillary&#039;s left on many issues in the primary.  But with the MSM, all things are possible.  His message of fiscal responsibility, reduced deficits, aggressive war actions in Pakistan, and repeating that 95% number thousands of times really gave me the impression that Obama doesn&#039;t have faith in his true views being popular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dmac, you have a point that Obama, like many politicians, tried to be all things to all people. </p>
<p>But Obama&#8217;s primary message just before the election was tax cuts for 95% of Americans.  He ran as a republican who would be moderate on social issues.  I think it&#8217;s hilarious that he managed to do so after running to Hillary&#8217;s left on many issues in the primary.  But with the MSM, all things are possible.  His message of fiscal responsibility, reduced deficits, aggressive war actions in Pakistan, and repeating that 95% number thousands of times really gave me the impression that Obama doesn&#8217;t have faith in his true views being popular.</p>
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		<title>By: rrpjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>rrpjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl: I read your piece hastily, and see your point. There was a prevailing delusion here (always a problem with leftist schemes). Anyway, Obama is proving himself through this ordeal to lack the fundamental quality of a good leader, i.e., not allowing oneself to be swallowed up in the &quot;passionate intensity&quot; of followers but to mediate those emotions toward a greater good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl: I read your piece hastily, and see your point. There was a prevailing delusion here (always a problem with leftist schemes). Anyway, Obama is proving himself through this ordeal to lack the fundamental quality of a good leader, i.e., not allowing oneself to be swallowed up in the &#8220;passionate intensity&#8221; of followers but to mediate those emotions toward a greater good.</p>
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		<title>By: Dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Obama ran as a compassionate conservative.&lt;/i&gt;

Really? I think he ran mostly on nothing at all, unless as a national Rorschak Test for anyone to project their own hopes and desires onto a thoroughly empty vessel. Hope! Change! OK, but what kind of hope and change? No details were made available, so our own little Chauncy Gardener became President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Obama ran as a compassionate conservative.</i></p>
<p>Really? I think he ran mostly on nothing at all, unless as a national Rorschak Test for anyone to project their own hopes and desires onto a thoroughly empty vessel. Hope! Change! OK, but what kind of hope and change? No details were made available, so our own little Chauncy Gardener became President.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Due to the vagueness of the plan, I imagine that it will end up with some combination of 
 - more expensive for me
 - increases the deficit
 - poorer heathcare service
 - rationing (by not covering certain procedures in certain circumstances, or long wait times)

It may be just small amounts in each category above, but there has to be some significant negative impact on me in order to bring an additional 46 million people into the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due to the vagueness of the plan, I imagine that it will end up with some combination of<br />
 &#8211; more expensive for me<br />
 &#8211; increases the deficit<br />
 &#8211; poorer heathcare service<br />
 &#8211; rationing (by not covering certain procedures in certain circumstances, or long wait times)</p>
<p>It may be just small amounts in each category above, but there has to be some significant negative impact on me in order to bring an additional 46 million people into the system.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 03:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rrpjr,

I agree w/ your critique of Obama, but none of that is the &quot;rap&quot; I was referring to in the post, which was that if Obama had been &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; involved, everything would be going better for the Dems now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rrpjr,</p>
<p>I agree w/ your critique of Obama, but none of that is the &#8220;rap&#8221; I was referring to in the post, which was that if Obama had been <i>more</i> involved, everything would be going better for the Dems now.</p>
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		<title>By: rrpjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>rrpjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 03:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This rap on Obama is not entirely fair.&quot; 

What? Of course it&#039;s fair. No one forced him to introduce this legislation or in the manner he introduced it. He&#039;s the chief executive. Moreover he&#039;s repeatedly and publicly misrepresented the bill and his positions on its key points. Instead of acting in negotiating good faith with all the various parties of interest, most importantly the American people, on a hugely important bill covering so much of our economy, he&#039;s gone out of his way to try to isolate and smear those parties and all critics. He&#039;s conducted this entire process not as an American leader combining confident vision and mediating patience but as a precocious, sneaky and spoiled child trying to con his peers and parents into getting his way without any regard for the greater good. He deserves every shred of responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This rap on Obama is not entirely fair.&#8221; </p>
<p>What? Of course it&#8217;s fair. No one forced him to introduce this legislation or in the manner he introduced it. He&#8217;s the chief executive. Moreover he&#8217;s repeatedly and publicly misrepresented the bill and his positions on its key points. Instead of acting in negotiating good faith with all the various parties of interest, most importantly the American people, on a hugely important bill covering so much of our economy, he&#8217;s gone out of his way to try to isolate and smear those parties and all critics. He&#8217;s conducted this entire process not as an American leader combining confident vision and mediating patience but as a precocious, sneaky and spoiled child trying to con his peers and parents into getting his way without any regard for the greater good. He deserves every shred of responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: MTF</title>
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		<dc:creator>MTF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 03:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Rahm Emanuel isn’t a shrinking violet. Neither was Clinton or Carter or Nixon or Truman or FDR. But none of them managed to get health-care reform past the Congress. There’s not really a record of presidents being able to bend committee chairmen and wavering centrists to their will.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Perhaps the real issue is that something this sweeping and overblown is simply foreign to the American political way.  It doesn&#039;t compute.  The Constitution never gave the Congress the power to nationalize whole tracts of the economy, but even if it had the Congress would not have been able to exercise the power.  The institution makes deals.  It allocates among competing interests.

Nationalization is different, and too complicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Rahm Emanuel isn’t a shrinking violet. Neither was Clinton or Carter or Nixon or Truman or FDR. But none of them managed to get health-care reform past the Congress. There’s not really a record of presidents being able to bend committee chairmen and wavering centrists to their will.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Perhaps the real issue is that something this sweeping and overblown is simply foreign to the American political way.  It doesn&#8217;t compute.  The Constitution never gave the Congress the power to nationalize whole tracts of the economy, but even if it had the Congress would not have been able to exercise the power.  The institution makes deals.  It allocates among competing interests.</p>
<p>Nationalization is different, and too complicated.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Monitor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Monitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;With Social Security’s woes well known, as are the VA’s, Medicaide, Medicare, and Indian Affairs&quot;

Someone needs to clue in the libtard elites that mentioning the wonders of the USPS and Social Security does NOT win them the argument. 

I for one resent a program that robs me of 15% of my income, doesnt allow me the option to opt out, and may not even be solvent by the time I am old enough to use it, to be a &#039;success&#039;. It&#039;s a success in the same way that CNN can claim &#039;success&#039; in airports: Captive audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;With Social Security’s woes well known, as are the VA’s, Medicaide, Medicare, and Indian Affairs&#8221;</p>
<p>Someone needs to clue in the libtard elites that mentioning the wonders of the USPS and Social Security does NOT win them the argument. </p>
<p>I for one resent a program that robs me of 15% of my income, doesnt allow me the option to opt out, and may not even be solvent by the time I am old enough to use it, to be a &#8217;success&#8217;. It&#8217;s a success in the same way that CNN can claim &#8217;success&#8217; in airports: Captive audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Jacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus I have heard about this, and gods I am sick of hearing about it.  The &quot;EEEEEEEEEEEEvil Scalia&quot; meme has been think the last day or two...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus I have heard about this, and gods I am sick of hearing about it.  The &#8220;EEEEEEEEEEEEvil Scalia&#8221; meme has been think the last day or two&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the threadjack, but perhaps DRJ or Patterico can look into a NYT editorial about a &quot;barbaric&quot; dissent by Thomas and Scalia against &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/opinion/19wed3.html?_r=1&amp;ref=todayspaper&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ordering a new hearing for a death row inmates.&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Troy Davis was convicted of the 1989 murder of an off-duty Savannah police officer. Seven key witnesses have since recanted, and several people have charged that the main prosecution witness was the shooter. Rather than arguing that there were procedural flaws in his trial, Mr. Davis is making the more basic claim that he is innocent and that new evidence proves it.&lt;/i&gt;

Just possibly, the NYT might be leaving something out unfavorable to its position. Shocking thought, I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the threadjack, but perhaps DRJ or Patterico can look into a NYT editorial about a &#8220;barbaric&#8221; dissent by Thomas and Scalia against <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/opinion/19wed3.html?_r=1&amp;ref=todayspaper" rel="nofollow">ordering a new hearing for a death row inmates.</a></p>
<p><i>Troy Davis was convicted of the 1989 murder of an off-duty Savannah police officer. Seven key witnesses have since recanted, and several people have charged that the main prosecution witness was the shooter. Rather than arguing that there were procedural flaws in his trial, Mr. Davis is making the more basic claim that he is innocent and that new evidence proves it.</i></p>
<p>Just possibly, the NYT might be leaving something out unfavorable to its position. Shocking thought, I know.</p>
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