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8/19/2009

Democrats: We Can’t Pass Health Care Because of Those Damn Republicans

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:42 am

Obama and Congressional Democrats decide to run against a party out of power, and the New York Times is only too happy to play along:

Given hardening Republican opposition to Congressional health care proposals, Democrats now say they see little chance of the minority’s cooperation in approving any overhaul, and are increasingly focused on drawing support for a final plan from within their own ranks.

Top Democrats said Tuesday that their go-it-alone view was being shaped by what they saw as Republicans’ purposely strident tone against health care legislation during this month’s Congressional recess, as well as remarks by leading Republicans that current proposals were flawed beyond repair.

Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff, said the heated opposition was evidence that Republicans had made a political calculation to draw a line against any health care changes, the latest in a string of major administration proposals that Republicans have opposed.

“The Republican leadership,” Mr. Emanuel said, “has made a strategic decision that defeating President Obama’s health care proposal is more important for their political goals than solving the health insurance problems that Americans face every day.”

Damn Republicans.

If only the Democrats could somehow seize control of the presidency and the House, and get a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. Then maybe they could pass this popular legislation that the public so clearly favors.

68 Responses to “Democrats: We Can’t Pass Health Care Because of Those Damn Republicans”

  1. If only the Democrats could somehow seize control of the presidency and the House, and get a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. Then maybe they could pass this popular legislation that the public so clearly favors

    ???

    The article doesn’t say that due to lack of Republican support, the Democrats think they won’t be able to pass a bill. It simply says that the Democrats are coming to the conclusion that they are going to have to go it alone rather than pass something that gets bipartisan support. That’s obvious enough even from the excerpt you included your post, and even more obvious from the entirety of the article.

    Foo Bar (49be26)

  2. It is sad that the Republicans would adopt such a “purposely strident tone.” Those meanies.

    After all that the Democrats have done to reach across the aisle – after all their kind words and heartfelt appeals – still those recalcitrant Republicans won’t play nice and agree. It does boggle the mind.

    Gesundheit (47b0b8)

  3. screw the Dems…..

    (before they screw us! %-)

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  4. Rahm = Vermin. It’s the old straw man same old same old Dem strategy. Propose something totally left wing, refuse to listen to any Republican plans and claim that the Republicans are only saying “NO” and are not offering any plans of their own, then whine when no Republicans vote for the Left Wing Plan. Boo Hoo, poor Dems….

    J. Raymond Wright (d83ab3)

  5. Foo Bar: the article (and the Dems) are using the Republican opposition to the bill as the reason that they aren’t getting anything done when they have only been striving for bi-partisanship because they can’t come up with a bill that all Democrats like :)

    Lord Nazh (899dce)

  6. Bush was not a uniter, he pulled hard right immediately. So now
    all we get are lies about “death panels” which have nothing do do with anything under discussion. You might as well accuse the governemtn of planning to kill christians. But G Bush as governor of Texas is responsible for instituting a death panel: look up the Texas Futile Care Law. So it’s republicans who want to give the state the right to kill granny; and children. And they’ve killed more than once.
    http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=texas+futile+care+law&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    But now armed former militia members and supporters of Timothy McVeigh are parading outside Presidential speeches and have to assume you all approve.

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/ernest_hancock_viper_militia_gun_obama_event.php?ref=fpb

    A Democrat (213e20)

  7. When a poll finds that the public option is favored by the majority, Patterico doesn’t link to it.

    Several polls (WAPO, CBS) have found support for the public option in the past, while the NBC poll Patterico cites has always showed opinion roughly even.

    Andrew (977aad)

  8. Several polls (WAPO, CBS) have found support for the public option in the past, while the NBC poll Patterico cites has always showed opinion roughly even.

    That would be THE PAST, Andrew. At this very moment in time, the majority is very much against a Public Option.

    I suspect the reason for such a change is a) the bad economy and the price tag associated with the “reform” and b) the bill itself and the number of horrible, horrible flaws it contains.

    But if you want to continue to think that old polls are more important than new polls, feel free.

    Scott Jacobs (218307)

  9. The alleged advantage of bipartisanship is a media-created myth. I’d prefer a better bill to a bipartisan piece of crap, like what the Senate finance committee is working on.

    Why are there any Republicans working on any health care bill? Can someone answer that question? A party with no ideas working on important legislation? Does that make any sense to any one?

    I support extreme GOP opposition to any health care reform, and encourage “death panel” lies and misinformation. Anything that makes the party seem unreasonable. Contrary to the media image of out-of-control town halls, the Republican resisters have been too genteel. Holding up signs? Come on. They need to raise hell, punch some folks out.

    I am glad that some Republican senators have already come in to kill the idea of a co-op in the crib. The biggest threat to real health care reform is these co-ops, which would be a joke. If even three or four Republican senators sign on to co-ops, that could kill the public option and real reform.

    My view is that the fewer Republicans in on this bill, the better it will be for the American people. In fact, as I’ve indicated, GOP non-involvement is, I believe, the only way we can get the much-needed public option.

    So, by all means, rally your troops: Call your congressional representatives and tell them to vote no on any health care bill. You can call it “boondoogle” or “government takeover” or “Nazi-ism,” whatever you want to call it to make you feel special. But call or send those emails.

    I know you will. Thanks.

    Myron (98529a)

  10. Since A Democrat is upset about “lies about ‘death panels,’ ” I suggest blaming the right-wing extremist who started that vicious rumor.

    April 29 (Bloomberg) — President Barack Obama said his grandmother’s hip-replacement surgery during the final weeks of her life made him wonder whether expensive procedures for the terminally ill reflect a “sustainable model” for health care.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407)

  11. _____________________________________________

    I’d prefer a better bill to a bipartisan piece of crap,

    Oh, yea, because your do-gooderism, your compassion, your humanity, your lovely sentiments, your benevolence trump everything else. Never mind the well-documented and increasingly glaring flaws in kum-bah-wah healthcare regimens that certainly are as extreme and rigid as what Canadians have to deal with, and what even the French, in spite of their more moderate variation thereof, are starting to discover.

    Thanks.

    You’re, uh, not welcome. Save your phony-baloney “I’m a wonderful human being” ideology for a private, less serious situation. A situation in which the reality of the road to hell being paved with good intentions won’t be as fully on display.

    Therefore, a salute to people like you is rather appropriate at this moment…

    telegraph.co.uk, Gerald Warner, December 2008:

    It’s official: bleeding-heart liberals give much less to the needy than do supposedly hard-faced conservatives. In a comment piece in the New York Times – the house magazine of compassion-dripping liberals – Nicholas D Kristof has collated a swarm of data from recent researches and found it shames the left-wing, secularist Scrooges whose contributions to deserving causes are dwarfed by conservatives largely motivated by Christian charity.

    Kristof cites the evidence in the book Who Really Cares? by Arthur Brooks, who found that households headed by conservatives give 30 per cent more to charity than households headed by liberals. Those findings, however, are kind to the left, compared to a study by Google which showed that average annual contributions to charity from conservatives were almost double those of liberals.

    The “generosity index” of the Catalogue for Philanthropy finds that Republican “red states” are the most likely to donate to non-profit-making philanthropies; North-Eastern Democrat “blue states” are the least likely to give. Kristof, himself a liberal, is appealing to his fellow bleeding hearts to live up to their rhetoric and stop being tightwads.

    Brooks was astonished by his own findings. That was a trifle naive of him. Only those gullible enough to be deluded by liberal rhetoric, in America or anywhere else, could imagine it had any basis in reality. Liberals excel at talking the talk – just don’t ask them to walk the walk. All the research showed that it was conservatives’ religious convictions that motivated them to give so generously to those less fortunate than themselves.

    The social engineering projects that liberals support, notably abortion and euthanasia, betray the essentially stony-hearted, compassionless vision of society that lies behind their facade of concern. Their real objective is to reorder society along lines of convenience – to eliminate unwanted babies, children with cleft palates, the dependent elderly – rather than succour the weak. No intelligent person needed confirmation of their lack of true charity, but it is nevertheless gratifying to see it scientifically recorded.

    Christmas brings out their most Scrooge-like features in liberals and secularists. The only dim pleasure the festive season affords these Roundheads is the opportunity to ban Christmas decorations on Elfin-Safety grounds or prohibit a nativity play or carol service as an offence against “diversity”. The message from the crib finds no response in those frosted hearts. Giving should be done involuntarily, through confiscatory taxation, is their philosophy.

    They once banned mince pies in this country – ’nuff said? Blow a raspberry this Christmas at whey-faced Whigs and secularist Bah-Humbuggers – they are a blight on the festive landscape.


    _____________________________________________

    Mark (411533)

  12. Always amusing to see the standard Democrat “Everything I Need To Know About Blaming Others I Learned in Kindergarten” playbook in full effect, yet again.

    no one you know (7a9144)

  13. If there were but one Republican left in all of Congress, Democrats and their media enablers would still find ways to blame him for their inability to get anything done.

    JVW (111cb0)

  14. The authors of this New York Times article were reporters Carl Hulse and Jeff Zeleny. Remember those names. I nominate them for the first annual Michael Hiltzik award, also known as the “Hiltzie.”

    Official Internet Data Office (61543d)

  15. If Democrats are so certain that the healthcare bill they love is really popular, let’s put it on the 2010 ballot. Then they can blame the evil conservatives for them losing the house and senate, too.

    Carolynp (261b21)

  16. We will see an army of trolls today armed with the “Democrat”s talking points. I have a long post on this with a few excerpts from people like Nat Hentoff who says this is the first White House he has ever been afraid of.

    The Dutch have now gone to a total private insurance program, giving up single payer “sickness funds”. The Canadians are seeing hundreds of private clinics springing up all over the country in spite of the fact that they are illegal under the Canadian healthcare law. It might have something to do with the Canadian Supreme Court ruling that having a health care plan does not mean access to health care.

    Maybe Myron should do some reading aside from left wing blogs and administration talking points.

    MIke K (2cf494)

  17. This is why Democrats are Lemmings

    during a campaign season to win enough support they:

    Accuse Republicans of spending too much

    Accuse Republicans of a culture of corruption

    Accuse Republicans of taxing the poor and not the rich

    To win the Dems run to the right of Reagan

    And this time – in Record time according to Obamas Rating the bottom has fallen out

    They blame the Republicans while running as one. Well they got no where to run now, its all over.

    EricPWJohnson (40a8c4)

  18. I recommend reading Tony Blankely, writing today on the national barfing over the Democrats attempt to nationalize our healthcare. No, not just Healthcare; it’s bigger than Healthcare; it’s becoming the total rejection of their entire agenda.

    “”Come senators, congressmen
    Please heed the call
    Don’t stand in the doorway
    Don’t block up the hall
    For he that gets hurt
    Will be he who has stalled
    There’s a battle outside
    And it is ragin’.
    It’ll soon shake your windows
    And rattle your walls
    For the times they are a-changin’.”

    MTF (17058c)

  19. I’d rather go to Mars than have some stupid Barack Obama death panel tell me to FOAD I think.

    He’s the gayest most dumbest president ever I think cause he’s mostly just trying to make Daddy Soros happy instead of trying to help our little country.

    What a horrific mistake our little country made, and now it has to pay.

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  20. “If only the Democrats could somehow seize control of the presidency and the House, and get a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. Then maybe they could pass this popular legislation that the public so clearly favors.”

    Don’t give ’em any ideas.

    Steve Martin (9d1bb3)

  21. I wonder how the blue dogs feel about being marginalized. They are the heroes far more than the GOP is. A lot of people don’t want this particular style of ‘reform’, so it seems like the democrats are giving the GOP way too much credit and impressing the right that they are still relevant and should fight harder.

    I don’t understand what the democrats get out of this.

    Juan (bd4b30)

  22. I think people are begining to understand that the ‘public option’ is just step #1 to government health care full out. The “Trojan horse”.

    Lily (967487)

  23. Aside from the tax cuts, the troll above would have a tough time finding any major item of the GWBush years that did not pass without significant support from Democrats.

    Karl (b3d6a0)

  24. How has single-payer worked in Massachussetts?

    Does the current plan exclude illegal aliens, baby rapers, and people convicted of domestic violence?

    Michael Ejercito (833607)

  25. Why can’t Republicans simply echo Obama? Like the Dems did with Bush.

    I confess I didn’t click through to the link but the odds of any mention of tort reform (in the context of the Dems don’t want tort reform and that’s the way to get Rep support) are, in my view, close to zero. And that’s only because it’s the Post – for the NYT’s it is zero.

    I think the Dems need to stop accusing Republicans of partisanship until they can explain their own behavior on immigration reform. This was a natural for a Bush-Dem Congress alliance as Bush’s views tracked with typical Dems, not typical Reps. Dems voted against their own beliefs in that one and few Repubs support more government in anything, let alone healthcare.

    EBJ (2fd7f7)

  26. BTW, if you have any doubt as to what a fraud the NYT is attempting with this story, read John Podhoretz and Ezra Klein.

    Karl (b3d6a0)

  27. Comment by MTF — 8/19/2009 @ 9:32 am

    A fellow fan of Blackmore’s Night.

    You have excellent taste in music.

    Scott Jacobs (218307)

  28. Is this Astroturf?

    Here’s a rule: Organizing isn’t cheating. Doing everything in your power to get your people to show up is basic politics. If they believe what they’re saying, no matter who helped organize them, they’re citizens and activists. The language at the town halls may get ugly and rough. But it’s not Astroturf.

    Neo (46a1a2)

  29. I blame BOOOOOOOOOOOOSH.

    But seriously have you ever seen a bigger clusterfuck than Obama and his posse?

    gus (36e9a7)

  30. The republicans in congress aren’t the problem for Obamacare. It’s the American people. This is what is driving the left nuts. The Left has ignited “change” all right — just not the kind they planned on. No grassroots movement in modern history can compare to the irruption of organic American outrage and political engagement in the last few months. The “party of the people” substantiated its contempt for the people in three successive boot stomps over their backsides — stimulus, cap and trade and now healthcare — and the people, not liking that so much, suddenly remembered their constitutional rights and role. Something the Left would have hoped they’d forgotten or ceded to their betters by now. And now, as we’re seeing, the Left just hopes these bothersome “people” can be shamed, hounded, deceived or bullied into giving up their newfound political awareness and power.

    rrpjr (f46761)

  31. At this very moment in time, the majority is very much against a Public Option.

    “So?” As Dick Cheney would say.

    Actually, the public option is very much alive. President Obama’s task masters, assigned to try to work compormises with rabid, right wing conservatives (as opposed to the wiser, remaining moderate Republicans) was, in the short term, a fool’s errand in pragmatic politics but something he promised Americans he’d try. There is no negotiating with an unyielding mind set, entrenched in the past, which is the hallmark of conservatism. Democrats have the votes and when the time is right will simply flow over and past them, like a river of progress over a stone stuck in a muddy stream bed. But in the long term it is self-destructive for Republicans, still infected by the rigid right, to always resist change. It’s a joy watching the Party of No solidifying its image as a home to reactionary nut bags who embarrass themselves, and America, by showing up to healthcare forums with loaded weapons, shout irratonally about ficticious ‘death panels’ invented in the mind of such wing nuts as Sarah Palin and fan fear with squawks about unplugging grandma.

    Hilarious! And it makes for grand television in a slow news period. More heat than enlightenment, as usual, from the rabid right.

    There’s little doubt the megaphoned lies and shout downs by the easily led, weak-thinking, ‘no-minded’ conservative rabble, fueled and fed disinformation by audience seeking, carnival barking, right wing talk show hosts (the same water carriers who sold them the costly wasteful Iraq War) and flunkies fronting for the profit hungry insurance industry, in a late summer snapshot, are drowning out some reasoned and rational discussion. But then, it’s only August.

    Yes, there’s lots of noise from the Party of No, well known for broadcasting static. And smart Americans are tuning them out.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  32. Well, she certainly is “fact free”, so she’s being honest there…

    Scott Jacobs (in class) (218307)

  33. […] surprised the National Review didn’t notice it. Update: The NYT can’t count either but Patterico […]

    James Carvelle can’t count « DaTechguy’s Blog (ea9e19)

  34. Fubar, Myron, and DSCSA literally crack me up.

    JD (cf5c9e)

  35. “I wonder how the blue dogs feel about being marginalized. They are the heroes far more than the GOP is. ”

    These PELOSI POODLES are NOT heroes at all. did you NOT notice that HR3200 the Waxman socialist medicine monstrosity was passed out of committee with their help … just enough yes votes to get it passed while giving the pelosi poodles a few ‘hall passes’ to vote no to keep constituents calm.

    That’s how cap & tax passed by the 219 vote margin. Blue dogs barked but had no bite. They act moderate conservative, but are in the end part of the Obama/Pelosi/Rahm political machine. All of them.

    IT’S AN UGLY AND DISHONEST GAME AND IF YOU LET THE PELOSI POODLES PLAY YOU, YOU LOSE YOUR FREEDOM.

    Travis Monitor (8d33ce)

  36. #31: Put down the crack pipe.
    Waxman rabidly excluded any Republican input on the actual bill. ZERO GOP input and zero GOP votes. The Dems in the House didnt care.

    Someone said the above stuff “It’s obvious”. Indeed, its obvious that the Dems are governing as if the Repubs didnt exists, and so there IS no new. the only “news” is that the Dems are hurting enough on this issue that they feel the need to wheel out some scapegoats for their tough, hard, slog of selling socialism to freedom-loving Americans.

    Travis Monitor (8d33ce)

  37. #31: Put down the crack pipe.
    Waxman rabidly excluded any Republican input on the actual bill. ZERO GOP input and zero GOP votes. The Dems in the House didnt care.

    Someone said the above NYT story “It’s obvious”. Indeed. Its obvious that the Dems are governing as if the Repubs didnt exist, keep lying about the Repubs not having ideas (they have many, all of which have 0% chance of getting approved by Pelosi and Obama), and so the go-it-alone story IS not news. the only “news” is that the Dems are hurting enough on this issue that they feel the need to wheel out some scapegoats for their tough, hard, slog of selling socialism to freedom-loving Americans.

    Travis Monitor (8d33ce)

  38. Comment by Travis Monitor — 8/19/2009 @ 11:41 am

    That ain’t drugs, son… That’s his default setting…

    Scott Jacobs (6aff37)

  39. “Damn Republicans.”

    No, GOOD Republicans. The liberal Democrats have already used government controlled health care to murder innocent people in cold blood (in the Tuskegee Syphillis Experiment), so anyone who blocks a liberal government controlled “health care” plan is performing a valuable service.

    Anyone who supports a government controlled “health care” plan run by a group which has already demonstrated its willingness to murder people by willfully denying them medicine (which is exactly what the Democrats did) is either an ignorant idiot, or an insane maniac.

    No government can be trusted with this kind of power, least of all a government run by bloodthirsty, power-mad liberals.

    The more the Republicans block this…the better.

    Dave Surls (578918)

  40. Any republican cooperating with the liberals should be politically castrated. To hell with what the liberals want. Their policies always fail, never work, and waste trillions of our dollars. They are truly insane/power hungry and are not to be trusted or compromised with. They want national socialist health care that steals from everyone, let them vote for it and explain it to the voters, where conservatives and libertarians outnumber liberals in all 50 states. Wasteful liberal policies need to be put down once and for all.

    Ray (3c46ca)

  41. “Sit down, shut up and hold on” is not much of a national policy debate.

    Maybe Rahmbo can figure out a way to introduce Rohypnol to the water supply…

    mojo (8096f2)

  42. A Democrat (original!) wrote:

    G Bush as governor of Texas is responsible for instituting a death panel: look up the Texas Futile Care Law. So it’s republicans who want to give the state the right to kill granny; and children.

    It’s always amusing when people provide misleading information, provide links, and cross their fingers nobody will actually click on them and discover that they’re full of schtuff.

    To save the rest of you the trouble: The Texas Futile Care Law regards situations in which doctors make an argument that continued care is pointless, as in the case of Terri Schiavo and others in stages of vegetative state, rather than making a determination that an organ transplant should be denied a 100-year-old woman (as Obama implied should have happened in his ABC special) or a hip replacement should be denied his own grandmother (which he didn’t even imply, he actually said it).

    “A Democrat” wants you to think that there is no difference between laws designed to limit liability or detail options incumbent on medical professionals if they believe that their patients’ chances for recovery are almost nil, and a policy creating scenarios after a certain stage of life when choices to extend the current health and quality of life of a patient are denied in the name of cutting costs to the government. As insulting as that is to our intelligence, you have to give the “A Democrats” of the world a break — they assume people will mindlessly swallow Emanuel’s crapola just because it was in the New York Times.

    L.N. Smithee (1336dc)

  43. 75% of the people support the pubic option. Just ask International Man of Parody and Andrewer!!!!

    JD (1a3053)

  44. No, the Democrats aren’t going to “go it alone;” it’s Democrats who won’t go!

    Paul S. (8cbb16)

  45. That’s not an argument from DCSCA, of course. That was just name-calling.

    Here are the epithets used in his rant:

    *rabid, right wing conservatives
    *the rigid right
    *the Party of No
    *reactionary nut bags
    *such wing nuts
    *the rabid right
    *easily led, weak-thinking, ‘no-minded’ conservative rabble
    *carnival barking, right wing talk show hosts *flunkies
    *the Party of No
    [again]

    Official Internet Data Office (61543d)

  46. That’s not an argument from DCSCA, of course. That was just name-calling.

    Here are the epithets used in his rant:

    *rabid, right wing conservatives
    *the rigid right
    *the Party of No
    *reactionary nut bags
    *such wing nuts
    *the rabid right
    *easily led, weak-thinking, ‘no-minded’ conservative rabble
    *carnival barking, right wing talk show hosts
    *flunkies
    *the Party of No [again]

    Official Internet Data Office (61543d)

  47. Travis, you’re right that I’m stretching the term ‘hero’ quite a bit.

    regardless, it is the blue dogs who are the real stumbling block for Pelosi. The GOP (no heroes them, either, I suppose) are doing well to let the democrats hang themselves.

    If only the GOP had kept their promise to control domestic spending and stay off K street, we’d have a much better country right now. I used to be a fan of Tom Delay.

    Juan (bd4b30)

  48. Well, I guess the fella checked out of rehab again. Or maybe he was on a supersecret mission, like before.

    But yes, the song remains the same.

    At least he didn’t tell stories about “making quite a few quid” from selling newspapers announcing the break up of The Beatles.

    Or went into Von Braun mode.

    Or discussed smelling Rush Limbaugh’s armpits, or holding forth with Walter Cronkite.

    Or mused about playing soccer at the American Embassy in Moscow.

    Or held forth about Margaret Thatcher’s policies when he was thirteen.

    Or…well, you get the picture.

    Birds generally nest in the branches at the end of his long wooden nose. So why take him seriously?

    Eric Blair (0b61b2)

  49. Shorter #31/DSCSA: we’re getting our asses kicked. MAKE IT STOP OBAMA!!!!!11ty!!!!!!

    EBJ (2fd7f7)

  50. #48- Argument? It’s quite a presumption by reactionary conservatives entrenched in the Party of No to present NO as platform to present an alternative position. The Party of No has an answer for everything– “NO!”

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  51. If there were but one Republican left in all of Congress, Democrats and their media enablers would still find ways to blame him for their inability to get anything done.

    Rush Limbaugh, FoxNews and that crowd did not go off the air when the GOP had total control until 2006. Seems they found plenty to blame the Democrats for. That’s politics.

    Myron (98529a)

  52. Mike K: Which country, Canada or the Netherlands, is reforming their system to look like ours, with millions uninsured or under-insured? Seeing as how their systems are so lousy and ours (31st in the world, life expectancy) is so great.

    New Talking Points, please. The discredited “other countries suck” TPs are dead as disco.

    Myron (98529a)

  53. LOL, DCSCA. We don’t have the ability to say ‘no’. It’s the democrats who are failing. They have the power and are failing. Blaming the GOP just proves that Mccain was right to say you guys weren’t ready to lead. You aren’t, and that’s why you are failing and why the American people trust the GOP more than the democrats again.

    The GOP made a mess in many areas, but I have to admit they were much better than the dems are now.

    Juan (bd4b30)

  54. He’s the gayest most dumbest president ever

    Very mature.

    Myron (98529a)

  55. I suggest that those same damned Republicans in the House and Senate call for a vote on Obamacare. Tell the world that they will oppose it to the last person, but if the Dems want to pass the bill with its rationing, death panels (still in the House plan, as far as I know. Only removed in the Senate plan), $1.5 trillion cost, then, hey, guys, go for it. You have the votes, so knock yourself out. Tell them straight up that the Republicans will remind the voters between now and 2010 who voted it in.

    If the Dems really believe that the outrage is manufactured, let them vote for it.

    The same move shut Rangel up on his re-institute the draft nonsense.

    Croaker Norge (11e59e)

  56. Argument? It’s quite a presumption by reactionary conservatives entrenched in the Party of No to present NO as platform to present an alternative position. The Party of No has an answer for everything– “NO!”

    Comment by DCSCA — 8/19/2009 @ 1:47 pm

    When the dilemma is “What should we do to address this bad situation we’re in? Shall we take a different course that will make things exponentially worse?” “NO!” is the right answer.

    Take your buddy Myron’s advice: “New Talking Points, please.”

    L.N. Smithee (1336dc)

  57. Very mature.

    About as mature as robotically miming the DNC memo for today, MyRoom. You remind me of that lame robot on Lost in Space, always expectorating “warning, Will Robinson!” Man, you are in desperate need of a lay, son. Any kind will do in your case. Try the Oak Tree out back, it’s winking at you.

    Dmac (e6d1c2)

  58. If the Dems really believe that the outrage is manufactured, let them vote for it.

    The same move shut Rangel up on his re-institute the draft nonsense.

    Comment by Croaker Norge — 8/19/2009 @ 2:17 pm

    Thanks for reminding me of one of the truly despicable propaganda campaigns of my lifetime. The Dems and their media allies brewed up projected recruiting goals as being far short of the quantity needed to maintain troop levels in Iraq and Afghanistan, and suggested that there was a secret plan in the Bush WH to reinstitute the draft. That false charge was the main thrust of the “Vote or Die!” campaign popularized by Puff Daddy/P. Diddy/Diddy/Sean John/Sean Combs and was the centerpiece of the “Rock The Vote” website advocating the defeat of the GOP (indirectly).

    L.N. Smithee (1336dc)

  59. Very mature.
    Comment by Myron — 8/19/2009 @ 2:08 pm

    No, it wasn’t Myron.
    Good thing
    you’re always
    so mature.

    Yes, cherry-picked. Some were provoked. Still, not shining examples of maturity. You really shouldn’t be casting the first stone.

    Stashiu3 (ed6467)

  60. Comment by Myron — 8/19/2009 @ 2:01 pm

    If you actually went through Rush’s archives, you would find a considerable body of criticism leveled at Republicans for doing Non-Conservative activities in their governance.
    Again, you mistake Rush’s Conservatism for membership in the Grand Old Party.

    AD - RtR/OS! (fd49b1)

  61. Local writer Tim Rutten piled on today with the east coast edition of Pravda. His focus was on all the nut jobs on the right, as if that was the entire argument being made by conservatives. He failed to tackle any of the substantives issues such as cost, driving private sector out of business, rationing, etc.

    Instead, he brought up the people with guns, mean signs at the town halls, birthers, etc., complaining it was “crowding out nearly all substative and realistic discussion of the critical issues surrounding health-care reform.”

    Takes one to know one dude.

    After listing all the fringe stuff, he concludes, that “you can’t make this stuff up … and they’re being encouraged to do so by those in the Republican Party.”

    Translation: blame the Republcans.

    Alta Bob (3dd3fe)

  62. Did Mr. Rutten happen to mention all of the interesting debate the Democrats treated us to last week: evil-mongers, Nazis (or swastika lovers, I guess, according to Pelosi), and yesterday’s rant about fascism by some New York Democrat? No? I thought not. The left has its own fringe stuff, but on the left it passes for the Democratic leadership.

    rochf (ae9c58)

  63. Myron, are you actually in the same Universe as the rest of us? Because whatever you have experienced in your alternate Universe really has no bearing on this one.

    SPQR (796cfb)

  64. #9 — Comment by Myron — 8/19/2009 @ 8:24 am

    Here is a cut and paste I did from another thread applicable as a response to Myron’s comment @9:

    Czar Emanuel (our health Czar hand-picked by and only answerable to President Obama) not only endorses the idea of death panels, he has studied it and has prepared justifications for it.

    Here is Czar Emanuel’s (and his two buddies’) article and here is a graph from that article.

    Warning: there is some pretty sick stuff in his article (the philosophical reasoning is right out of the Third Reich and gave me a headache).

    Pretending the idea of death panels is a lie does not make it so. Partisan loyalty blinds those that dismiss the facts in favor of a fantasy that renders their party perfect, flawless and noble.

    Pons Asinorum (20c241)

  65. Here’s the problem.

    Thirty-two percent (32%) of voters nationwide favor a single-payer health care system where the federal government provides coverage for everyone. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 57% are opposed to a single-payer plan.

    Fifty-two percent (52%) believe such a system would lead to a lower quality of care while 13% believe care would improve. Twenty-seven percent (27%) think that the quality of care would remain about the same.

    Forty-five percent (45%) also say a single-payer system would lead to higher health care costs while 24% think lower costs would result. Nineteen percent (19%) think prices would remain about the same.

    There’s wide political disagreement over the single-payer issue. Sixty-two percent (62%) of Democrats favor a single-payer system, but 87% of Republicans are opposed to one. As for those not affiliated with either major party, 22% favor a single-payer approach while 63% are opposed.

    LarryD (feb78b)

  66. So,democrats won`t take responsibility of a failed health care.Thats why they won`t pass it.Where are your leaders now. No balls. I got it!!! why don`t you demonuts just do what you always do,Blame it on Bush.That the real reason,isn`t it?

    gaetano (0f406e)


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