Race Riot at Chino (Updated)
[Guest post by DRJ]
The recent riot at the Chino state prison “began with a fight between black and Hispanic gang members.” Déjà Vu.
How will the LA Times cover this?
UPDATE 8/12/2009: This LA Times’ article and this blog entry address the role of race in the riot, but only the blog entry specifically discussed the 2005 Supreme Court decision:
“Following a 2005 Supreme Court decision that found routine racial segregation to be illegal, Chino and other California prisons are moving away from the historic practice of separating inmates by race. Inmates may now share cells with prisoners of different races. The barracks involved in the rioting had been fully integrated.
[Updated at 1:40 p.m.: But it remains unclear what role, if any, the Supreme Court decision played in the Chino problem. [Prison spokeswoman] Thornton said the court ruling only applied to prisoners in cells. The violence in Chino broke out in an area where prisoners are housed in baracks, which she said was not covered by the decision. Only two prisons with cells have been integrated since the 2005 ruling, and Chino is not among them, she said.]”
— DRJ
UPDATE BY PATTERICO: L.A. Times editors, February 2005:
The Supreme Court made the right decision Wednesday in all but overturning California’s policy of housing new prison inmates in cells based on their race. Clearly, the state cannot classify people solely on that basis in the year 2005, and it would be preposterous for state prison officials to continue arguing that there is a compelling reason to do so.
It is good to recall the sage advice of our betters at times like these.
I blame racist codewords, Republicans, and Booooooooosh.
JD (6dacf4) — 8/11/2009 @ 6:51 pmLA Times: “Women and Minorities Hit Hardest.”
Official Internet Data Office (7fd5ee) — 8/11/2009 @ 6:58 pmBlame the Man.
Alta Bob (6ae698) — 8/11/2009 @ 7:19 pmPrisoner segregation by race is a serious issue. Which neither the courts nor the states have ever addressed sensibly. Because few people bother to address any prison issue seriously. And the chickens keep coming home to roost.
nk (fd2bc3) — 8/11/2009 @ 7:21 pmWho won?
HeavenSent (01a566) — 8/11/2009 @ 7:31 pmAccording to the NYSlimes, the riot could have been avoided by freeing prisoners from the inhumane conditions of Chino:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/11/opinion/11tue2.html?_r=2
Bubba Maximus (456175) — 8/11/2009 @ 7:32 pmSeems to me that the same judges who demand we release 40k felons back into the community are the ones who demand we not racially segregate prisoners.
Must be nice to be liberal, have all the answers with no responsibility for the consequences.
ManlyDad (060305) — 8/11/2009 @ 8:25 pmWhy am I not suprised?
AD - RtR/OS! (44112e) — 8/11/2009 @ 8:25 pmWas this started on orders from outside brought in by a new arrival, or was it a push-back due to integration efforts resulting from the aforementioned Federal Court case?
AD - RtR/OS! (44112e) — 8/11/2009 @ 8:36 pmSounds like Obama needs to go out there and have an honest conversation about race. He should take Mr. Holder with him to call people cowards.
daleyrocks (718861) — 8/11/2009 @ 8:54 pmThat is priceless, daleyrocks.
DRJ (8d138b) — 8/11/2009 @ 8:57 pmdaley, um, only white people can be racist. This clearly wasn’t racism.
Juan (bd4b30) — 8/11/2009 @ 8:58 pmJuan – I didn’t say anything about racism.
daleyrocks (718861) — 8/11/2009 @ 9:11 pmyeah, me neither!
Juan (bd4b30) — 8/11/2009 @ 9:12 pmHow will the LA Times cover this?
The reporters and editors there are too busy trying to stem the flow of red ink roiling the newspaper industry and to avoid being part of the unemployment statistics.
Mark (411533) — 8/11/2009 @ 9:21 pmThey can make me bunk under a Mexican or over a black.
But either way there’s probably gonna have to be a fight that no one really wants to have and it won’t be about enlightenment and Obama can make a speech and it still won’t go away.
And by the way, *bleep* them for threatening survival in an already *bleeped* up place with their stupidity.
Then the stupid idiots add to your time because you couldn’t integrate due to external racial dynamics.
If it was up to me there’d be no problem, no fight… but it isn’t up to me.
people think that you just need to stand up against your race like it was the outside… but it isn’t like that.
I get along great with most blacks and most hispanics.
I played sports with both races.
I speak Spanish, my immediate family is 100% Mexican.
None of that means *bleep* past the drunk tank
If they want to change prison racial dynamics, they’ll need to commit to overstaffing the heck out of the place for at least 5 years
SteveG (97b6b9) — 8/11/2009 @ 10:48 pm“…If they want to change prison racial dynamics, they’ll need to commit to overstaffing the heck out of the place for at least 5 years.”
Comment by SteveG — 8/11/2009 @ 10:48 pm
Well, all they have to do is push out the 43K inmates as per the Ninth-Circus decision, but keep current staffing levels (which we can’t afford either).
AD - RtR/OS! (8e13bc) — 8/11/2009 @ 11:31 pmAs The Terminator says: No Problemo!
Obviously, white angry mobsters are to blame.
Peg C. (48175e) — 8/12/2009 @ 4:11 amHow about:
Race Riot at Chino – Minorities Hit HardestRace Riot at Chino – Minorities Hit Hardest
Dr. K (eca563) — 8/12/2009 @ 4:50 amD’Oh!
Stupid cut and paste.
Dr. K (eca563) — 8/12/2009 @ 4:51 amBut, I thought Chino was stuffed to the brim with choirboys who were doing 5-10 for first-offense simple possession of marijuana………..
Techie (482700) — 8/12/2009 @ 4:59 amChino is also an input station for the entire system…
AD - RtR/OS! (6269f6) — 8/12/2009 @ 10:14 amMedium, and High Security detainees are first admitted at Chino for processing and determination of where their ultimate destination will be.
maybe O! will fly out there and sit down with them over a few beers and dialog.
quasimodo (4af144) — 8/12/2009 @ 11:27 amYour betters?
So someone has a belief about the truth of a subject that differs from yours and that makes them an elitist? That’s idiotic.
Can I accuse you of elitism when you launch into a rant about why you think so and so policy will fail?
Do you really believe some of the stuff you write are you just doing it for the “ratings”?
smellerbee (1129f8) — 8/12/2009 @ 1:29 pmsmellerbee, its sarcasm. Learning the definition may improve your internet experience.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/12/2009 @ 2:18 pmRe DRJ’s and Patterico’s updates: The prison systems’ across the board segregation of prisoners by race is just as silly as the courts’ pretending that prisons are schools and Brown v. Board of Education standards apply. An intelligent segregation system can still put the 50-year old black guy with a 50-year old white guy and not a 20-year old black gang member; and still break up the gangs and send the Crips to Chino, the Bloods to Folsom, and ME to Huntsville under contract with Texas.
nk (ff4c1b) — 8/12/2009 @ 4:33 pm[…] In 2005, the editors sanctimoniously announced that there was no reason to segregate state prisoners by race. I like to remind them of this every time there is a major race riot at a prison, and this year was no exception. […]
Patterico's Pontifications » Patterico’s Los Angeles Dog Trainer Year in Review 2009 (e4ab32) — 1/1/2010 @ 12:15 pm[…] In 2005, the editors sanctimoniously announced that there was no reason to segregate state prisoners by race. I like to remind them of this every time there is a major race riot at a prison, and this year was no exception. […]
Patterico's Pontifications » Patterico’s Los Angeles Dog Trainer Year in Review 2009 (e4ab32) — 1/1/2010 @ 12:15 pm[…] In 2005, the editors sanctimoniously announced that there was no reason to segregate state prisoners by race. I like to remind them of this every time there is a major race riot at a prison, and this year was no exception. […]
Patterico's Pontifications » Patterico’s Los Angeles Dog Trainer Year in Review 2009 (e4ab32) — 1/1/2010 @ 12:15 pm